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April 9, 2024 - Stay Free - Russel Brand
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“It SHOULDN’T Be Even On The Market!!” Dr Ladapo On Vaccines, Fauci, FDA & CDC - Stay Free #341
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Now Dr. Joseph Latipo, author of Transcend Fear, was the, and is the, Surgeon General of Florida.
His book Transcend Fear describes his views on public health restrictions, Early home treatment and COVID-19 vaccines along with how Florida officials made public health decisions that set Florida apart from other states.
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Welcome to the show, Dr. Latipo.
Thank you so much for joining us today.
Thanks for inviting me, Russ.
It's lovely to meet you directly, if not in person, because during the pandemic period I remember feeling, as I'm sure many people did, that yours was a sane and trustworthy voice during a period where people were losing a great deal of faith in public officials.
We spend a lot of time on this channel talking about Dr.
Anthony Fauci as the epitome of this phenomenon, someone that was heralded and held up as the face of the
reliable bureaucracies of America, but over time has come to be seen as a figure of...
and again, I'll be careful here because we're still, for the first 15 minutes, streaming on multiple platforms,
including YouTube, where we face considerable censorship, has come to be seen as someone whose involvement
historically in complex research, the way that he's received royalties,
a potential direct involvement in the Wuhan Institute of Virology and their projects,
have all meant that the trust in him as an individual and public health more broadly has waned significantly.
You've written a new book, Transcend Fear, a blueprint for mindful leadership in public health.
Would it be fair to say that you might be a new epitome for public health in America and that Dr Anthony Fauci has taught us many lessons?
If that analysis is true, could you tell us what the lessons we could learn from the figure of Anthony Fauci?
Yeah, where do you start, Russell?
I agree with everything you said.
Maybe lesson number one is to really examine the deliverer of your information.
You know, I think a lot of people early on just completely were snowed by Dr. Fauci, but there were a few voices that could see him for who he is.
And who he is, is a dishonest, self-serving, political animal who happens to have scientific training.
And we saw him and he misled people in so many ways.
I mean, the whole mask thing was just epic.
You know, I still, he was sitting in that 60 minutes interview saying, no one really needs to wear one, which actually was consistent with the science because, because the science hasn't been supportive.
And then he flipped the script and we were up to maybe two or three masks, I think by the time the pandemic was, was actually starting to cool down.
So, yeah.
You gotta look at the sources of information and really feel whether they resonate with you in terms of your connection with what feels true.
And he clearly, you know, I don't have anything against him actually, but you can look at him.
He's obviously a very dishonest, untrustworthy person.
What you said there about trusting your own instincts and intuition when it comes to appraising, personally appraising public information, that in itself has become quite controversial in your country.
It seems that we are more and more inclined towards, certainly in terms of legislation, legitimising the state as a kind of Uber parent to us all.
Determining which information we should even have access to.
There seems to be some fear and loathing of ordinary Americans.
Beyond the fear and loathing I might offer, a kind of contempt.
sense that we, and I mean the people of the world here because I'm plainly not American,
are not capable of ourselves looking at some data on for example uh vitamin d or other proposed
measures and of course we're going to get into discussing the vaccine later and making a choice
for our family. There was an appetite for authoritarianism, there was an appetite for
mandate. Sometimes mandate was executed, blessedly not as much as I get the sense the state would
have liked to have mandated it. So this idea that we are actually as individuals, as communities,
and as families able to for ourselves as sovereign determine what our medical and
indeed cultural choices are to be seems to be something that's under threat.
Does that seem like a fair assessment to you, Doctor?
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Oh, it's more than fair.
I mean, it's fact and you're absolutely right.
I know that's something a theme that you've talked about and I'm really appreciative of you talking about it because there are I think there are a lot of people out there who they can sense that there's something wrong, but they're not sure.
You know, what exactly is wrong?
And when you hear a voice like yours that is laying it out very clearly, because no doubt, absolutely, bet your life, that's what we're up against, right?
It's literally, it's the individual.
It's the individual sovereignty.
It's the individual and the power of the individual with his or her relationship with God and the universe and everything that is out there that makes us special and perfect.
Versus these people and these forces that want to uphold institutions above the individual.
I mean, the individual means really almost nothing to them.
The individual is a means to an end.
The institution and their conception of what the world should be and ought to be is all that matters to them.
So that is absolutely, positively what we're up against.
You are the Surgeon General of Florida.
You were the Surgeon General of Florida during the pandemic.
It transpires that Florida is the state that many others aspire to.
It seems subsequent to the pandemic that Florida's stance, minimal regulation, minimum hysteria and panic, maximum individual freedom, With regard, let's just take this single issue of COVID, given that, you know, you're the Surgeon General and that's the area of, you know, cultural, social and political policy that you're most qualified to comment on.
Seems that that was the right way to go.
And oddly, the states in your country that pride themselves on liberalism, which of course
is a synonym for freedom, were the most authoritarian.
New York, sacking key workers.
California, imposing regulation wherever possible.
What is happening there when the states that are regarded as conservative, or at least
states like Florida that seem to flip between, are definitely more interested in individual
freedom and the states that use liberalism as the sort of title for their dogma are more
authoritarian.
Is something happening around language?
Is something important happening around how we're being taught to view authority?
Oh man, you're absolutely correct.
there is something and when I, you know, when I feel into it, it feels like the almost like an
hypnotic effect. So not that many years ago, I don't know, maybe 15 years ago or so, you have
this movement in the United States, this Occupy Wall Street movement.
And at that time, and actually for many years before that, you had people who were more liberal, who just naturally were less trustful of government, less trustful of companies, less trustful of corporations, and with very good reason, you know?
And over time, these same people And in that camp, they've completely flipped.
Now they are, they, you know, listen to the authorities, listen to the health officials, you know, Facebook and these corporations are on our side and they should be having more power to restrict speech and things like that.
And, you know, and now you've got really people who are now considered conservative.
They're the people who are less trustful of government.
They're the people who are less trustful of corporations.
And they're the people who want more speech.
So you're absolutely right.
Something has happened.
It's almost like a hypnotic effect.
Something like a trance almost in terms of moving people to one side and then moving those same people to the other side.
And obviously it's not pretty to watch because it leads to very bad outcomes as we saw during the pandemic and in many other ways.
Because I would imagine that as Surgeon General for Florida, even prior to the pandemic, your relationship with pharmaceutical entities would have a degree of complexity because I understand how many regulatory bodies are funded.
assuming there are channels for funding that connect to the political aspect of your medical
work that involve having nuanced, shall we say, and possibly even compromised relationship with
pharmaceutical entities. It's not saying I know for a fact, I'm just guessing. But like in the
five years leading up to the pandemic, we had this period where the pharmaceutical companies
were beyond negligent, perhaps even criminal. I know many of these things were settled out of
court when it came to the issue, policy and messaging around opioids. And it does seem odd
that after that period, people were willing to embrace companies like Pfizer as saviors.
And now, as you said just then, Doctor, to look at Facebook and their parent company, Meta, as like friendly entities seems surprising to me.
It's just recently that Meta, without any Fanfare at all.
Changed their settings so that what was deemed to be political content could be monitored, controlled, censored is another word for what it seems they're facilitating without anyone knowing it.
Political speech.
is being censored and it doesn't, as is always the case, fully define what political speech is.
It includes those social and cultural issues and there's no question that the pandemic became a social and cultural and indeed political phenomena rather than a broadly medical one.
So are you surprised by how much as a medic you have been hauled into the political arena Was medicine always like that?
Has something significantly changed?
Or is it surprising to you that medicine and the typical boundaries of medicine, i.e.
make people better using whatever methods, techniques, expertise, experience, pharmacology is necessary or pertinent, has become about identifying with causes that are plainly ideological?
Yeah.
Yeah, that's a great point, Russell.
You know, Russell, all these forces have always been at play.
And frankly, I was one of their, you know, little puppets as a medical student and as a trainee.
It was really my wife's help and the pandemic and some work that I do that I describe in my books and spiritual work that helped me shake a lot of the shackles that I had locked myself in unknowingly over the years.
Well, I would say what's really happened, Russell, is that stuff that was in the background has now moved to the forefront.
So all of these corrupt forces, they were always at play.
You know, I mean, certainly you mentioned, you mentioned some of these lawsuits, for example, and these, some of them criminal, that pharmaceutical companies have settled and have lost cases, you know, we can talk about Vioxx, you can talk about I think Neurontin was another one.
Many medications where consumers have not received the accurate information that was already available to help them and their doctors make good decisions because companies were being dishonest.
They were lying.
They were hiding things.
I mean, this has been going on for You know, for a long time.
But what's special, although horrific in terms of how we had to get here, but what's special about this time that we're in now is that all this stuff that was in the background, it's like coming out in the foreground.
People are getting to see how ugly it is.
You know, you see all this cover that our organizations like the FDA in this country and the CDC are doing for a terrible vaccine.
I mean, something that shouldn't even be on the market.
You see all the, you know, the kind of the mandates that have happened with, you know, you have firing nurses, like people don't care if someone can't feed their family anymore because they choose to make a different decision about a new experimental product and putting that in their bodies.
So this stuff that's been in the background is just coming out into the foreground and people can finally see it and it's important and it's special because many people are waking up.
Yes, it has been a revelatory period indeed.
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So the two questions were, Doc, is there any hope?
NJ Britt from our community asks for reversing the effects of the mRNA vaccine and do they really change your DNA or is it just a conspiracy theory?
Those are the two questions.
Yeah.
So, so for the first question, I think, you know, I, it's so, you know, can you think of a time in history where so many people have been regretful of putting something in their body?
I mean, it's, it's, it's really profound and, you know, and, and I, I honestly, I feel terrible for, for folks who have.
Have put this in their in their bodies.
The short answer is I don't know.
You hear there's a doctor here, for example, Dr. Peter McCullough, and he has some ideas about what people can do to counter some of the effects of the of the vaccine.
It's a, it's a, I think it's a, it's a difficult thing.
I mean, it's a, there are other conversations that I've had with people or about spiritual approaches to undo some of the energetic effects of the vaccine since it was conceived in a, just in a, in a, in a, it was conceived in a, in a frequency that you would not want to put in your body.
So that's what I would say about that.
And then in terms of this DNA issue, So, you know, we've raised this concern that there is contaminating DNA, which normally is not a big deal necessarily.
But the problem is that with the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines, they have this thing called lipid nanoparticles that transport mRNA and almost certainly DNA into people's cells, which is
a that's just a completely new risk that has not been accounted for with these vaccines, but it's
something that the FDA specifically has discussed in terms of the risk that DNA can pose to
human DNA like in our cells.
So it hasn't been proven yet.
I've seen some work that suggests that it is happening.
It hasn't been proven yet.
I'll tell you that intuitively, I actually do think that it happens to some degree.
I think that ultimately, that's what we're going to find.
Just because, honestly, these vaccines are just products from hell.
So, I actually do suspect that that's what we're going to probably find.
And it's just unfortunate, in my opinion, that so many people who were trying to do the right thing or trying to help their neighbor have had their good intentions completely taken advantage of.
That's just another horrific product of the last few years.
Yes, it is a pity that our general good will to one another, our willingness to undertake medical measures in order to help more vulnerable people in society, a set of ideals that are not elsewhere practiced by the state, I note, when it comes perhaps to the care of veterans or to the care of Street sleepers or economic inequality more broadly or rampant corporatism and globalism that is marauding across the world.
It's interesting to see that these type of altruism, philanthropy, fairness and justice do not generally seem to be applied but they came suddenly applicable in in with regard to this singular and as you've suggested revealing issue.
I also want to ask you doctor about at the beginning there you said that there are potentially spiritual and energetic types of healing that you might endorse or consider when it comes to people that have concerns about vaccine injury Or even perhaps subtler effects, and I mean difficult to diagnose and corroborate effects of having been vaccinated.
I have a friend that I work with, Dr. Jerome Poubelle, who is a very brilliant chiropractor and healer, and he spoke for a long time at the very early phases of the pandemic of potential threats and risks of the therapies that we're currently discussing, or the injections, I don't know what to call them anymore.
And like I feel that I don't hear many medical professionals talk in terms of energetic healing or frequencies but many of us know that there's more to healing than that which can be directly physically observed.
We are after all in the human body dealing with an entity that has an inbuilt tendency inclination and program to heal itself under Many conditions, sometimes spontaneously and surprisingly.
In spite of your position as a sanctioned political physician, you still remain open to the idea that there is much about healing that we don't understand.
Can you help me to understand what you mean by that a little more, please?
Yeah, sure.
Well, you're, I mean, that's absolutely the case that there, you know, there's so much more.
And, you know, and when I'm talking about it, certainly, you know, I went to medical school in this country.
I went to Harvard.
I did a residency training in this country, and I've been a practicing physician for many years.
And I love science.
I spent extra years in school because I love science.
But I talk about it in the book more.
And I personally have had a, my own journey that relates to a lot of trauma that I had as a, as a child.
I actually had, was sexually molested by a babysitter and it, I thought it didn't affect me, but in fact it profoundly affected me and I didn't find out how much it affected me.
Didn't really become conscious to it until I fell in love with my wife, you know, I don't know, 18 years ago or so.
And that process of falling in love with her really brought my problems, my problems in terms of the effects that that trauma and other stressors it had on my soul and my being, you know, that soul that lives in all of us and is the thing that connects us to God and makes each and every one of us special in our own special way.
You know, I had a lot, you know, really profound problems.
And the journey that my wife and I took, and my wife fortunately is gifted with just natural healing talent and gifts from God, directed me eventually to work with a guy named Christopher Mayher.
He's a former Navy SEAL.
He lives out in Southern California and he's had his own journey and I worked with him and he has a lot of training and insights and things like Chinese meridian, Chinese medicine theory and meridians and other healing modalities.
And I worked with him for five days and I'll tell you that I would have at the end of the five days, I came in very skeptical.
I came in because my wife told me that I had to see him.
And so I went to see him.
And I'll tell you that at the end of our five days working together, I would, without a drop of hesitation, have traded every money, every dollar I had, everything I owned.
I would have traded the clothes on my back, everything, to have the experience that I ended up having with him.
That's how valuable it was.
It was a completely new lease on life or experience of life.
And we did things during that week that I did not believe were even a thing or possible, but absolutely.
It relates to frequencies, it relates to meridians, it relates to energy, it relates even to ancestral
effects, ancestral trauma, and it relates to our DNA and how our DNA stores and our tissues store
this information, the information of stress, the information of ancestral trauma, the information
of our own trauma, and how that affects absolutely how we show up in the world.
So yes, there's way more to healing than the wonderful things that we've learned in Western medicine.
Thank goodness for what we can do for people, but there's so much more to healing.
It's extraordinary to hear someone in your exalted position speak with such humility and open-mindedness about the potential and power of systems of healing that are less easy to concretize And understand materially and rationally.
I'm very interested to learn more about your experience with this Navy SEAL therapist.
I'd like to learn more and that's in your book Transcend Fear.
I know that the foreword is by Bobby Kennedy and afterward by the great Gavin DeBecca, two men that I count among my friends who are Great mentors and very wise people.
So I suppose on the basis of their inclusion in your book, I wouldn't be surprised that as well as having a good deal of reverence for science and science used correctly, i.e.
to explore knowledge, explore the known, recognize the unknown, the Necessity for ongoing debate and inclusivity of oppositional views when achieving consensus, even though I suppose those things are obvious, but also that you are open to systems and ideas of healing that go beyond what is prescribed and what is afforded to us in the public conversation.
Doctor, one of the areas that's been subject to a good deal of scrutiny, debate, and it seems censure, is the topic of excess deaths.
Here in our country, in the UK, the Office for Statistics, as recently as six months ago, changed the way that they calculate excess deaths.
And the result of the change in this calculation was to bring excess deaths in the UK during the pandemic period, or at least I think late in 2022, down from an excess number of 30,000 down to 10,000.
So whatever it is they did to the way they calculate, they said that, you know, it needed updating.
The result was it appeared like there were less excess deaths.
That's not the first time I've heard that the subject of excess deaths ...is being controlled, censored, that people are trying to mitigate what we understand and know about this topic.
And one of the most compelling pieces of evidence that I heard came to me via Dr. Pierre Khoury, with whom I'm sure you're familiar, who pointed out that it was insurance companies re-evaluating the way they established their premiums that revealed people were dying younger than would be anticipated and they just had to charge more for life insurance.
That's an undeniable metric.
I wonder what you feel in particular about excess deaths both in your country and across the world and whether or not we will ever have a concrete indicator or evidence, I suppose, that there's a connection between the medications of the last few years and this strange new data.
Yeah, that's a great point, Russell.
It is very hard to prove with the scientific methods, the statistical methods that we have currently, that the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines have contributed or to quantify that.
It is very hard to prove.
And, you know, and, and part of the reason it's hard to prove is sort is also reflects the tragedy of how the, the vaccines were tested, you know, with a randomized clinical trial, which we had early on in the pandemic, and they were, you know, they were reasonably well designed, at least for COVID, not so much for what they were ultimately marketed for, which is hospitalization death from COVID, they were not designed to evaluate that they were really just designed to evaluate symptomatic COVID.
We had an opportunity to really compare the groups and people should be very clear that during the randomized part of the trial where you can look at these things without bias and compare things like overall survival between people who received the placebo and people who received the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines.
There was no overall benefit in terms of overall life.
And in fact, in the vaccine group, in the Pfizer trial, believe it or not, more people died.
More people died in the vaccine arm overall than in the placebo arm.
The difference wasn't statistically significant.
And, you know, it's just a shame that the trials were so short and that they weren't even larger in terms of the number of people that were enrolled.
And that would have given us a sense.
My sense from evaluating everything that we've seen, all the evidence during the trial, I mean, the fact that these things very clearly eventually cause you these mRNA boosters, eventually cause you to have an increased risk of contracting COVID.
I mean, it's so obvious and CDC and FDA pretend like these data aren't out there, but it's very clearly the case.
It's multiple studies from multiple countries find the same thing with the boosters.
My sense is that, you know, in fact, I would make a very confident bet that they have totally contributed to what is factual, as you said, from health insurance actuarial reports with life insurance, that they've contributed to to excess debts.
Certainly the lockdowns also contributed.
There's just no doubt that it was just a terribly inhumane policy, and many people have died as a result.
But my sense is that these mRNA COVID-19 vaccines have also contributed to the excess deaths.
And it's so hard to prove.
But what we should be doing, unfortunately, we have a governor, I've got, you know, and a friend, Governor Ron DeSantis, who's really, I mean, he's, his courage meter is like off the charts.
He's, He's willing to do whatever it takes.
He truly is.
I mean, literally, that's who he is.
Here in Florida, we're working on doing some autopsy stuff.
What you need, because you don't have the clinical trials anymore, is you need studies where you learn more about the pathological effects of these vaccines.
Studies that show abnormalities that are consistent.
with vaccine mRNA-associated death.
And I think if you have enough of that, then it becomes harder to deny that overall, these are harmful products.
I mean, yeah, early on, did they protect older people, very vulnerable people from dying from COVID-19?
Yeah, I think the evidence was pretty good for that.
But overall, in the general population, and now on booster number 12, or whatever number we're at, are they harming people?
I my sense is yes.
And again, you just you need the autopsy studies.
You need that type of pathological evidence just to show that these are these are very harmful products.
From the beginning, there was a sense that this evidence is if perhaps the word manipulated is a contentious term.
That's true.
Yeah, that's true.
That's true.
There are some there are issues, right?
There's a there's you know, you don't count the first two weeks or so after the vaccine.
So there are definitely ways that the clinical trials are stacked.
against the, against the, you know, sort of waited to make the vaccines look better. But
I mean, I don't want to, you know, Dr. Christine Stableband is someone who I admire,
a vaccine researcher closer to you than me. She's, I think, in Denmark. And one of the things she's
shown and others have shown with their research is that it is completely, totally possible to
have a vaccine that protects against a certain disease, but still causes a higher risk of
overall death because the immune system is, is magnificent.
And unfortunately, it's almost impossible to tinker with one thing. So in this case,
protection against COVID-19 and not affect the world.
Myriad other parts of the system that affect our whole bodies.
So just even if they, you know, they help with severe illness from COVID-19, just like having prior infection does, you know, that's fine.
That's no big deal.
But what's the overall effect of the vaccine?
And the whole overall effect of these ones is horrific.
And like the news is not getting better.
It's going to keep getting worse.
At the very beginning, when you were trying to evaluate what was happening, and perhaps you can fold into your response the answer to the question from a member of our community, this is live on Locals, that's where we do many of our premier guest so that there's an opportunity for our
community to ask questions.
KM Hoag said, please ask Dr. Ladipo what it's like to work with Dr. DeSantis.
I live in Florida, so I'm curious.
And I'd like to add to that, how did both of you strategize and adjust from the beginning
part of the pandemic where I feel like I'll just speak personally, most people initially
were like, this is pretty crazy.
We're going to have to take unusual measures individually and collectively in order to
respond to recognizing that the available information was changing.
And yet the opportunity for authority regulation and profit was not subsiding in alignment with a burgeoning sense that this is something where perhaps vulnerable communities should be protected, where individual freedom should be respected above mandate when it came to the medications, that there are certain groups and communities that should Totally be free to determine for themselves whether or not to take the medication, that it had become politicized.
Can you tell me what that was like for, you know, as well as responding to our community member there about Ron DeSantis, what it was like for the two of you to strategize and adjust as this live and volatile situation evolved?
Yeah, so it's really fun to work with him, first of all.
I mean, we just, you know how it is, there's sometimes people that you just really click with, and it's just, everything's easy with them, and we have that type of relationship.
I mean, it's just like, it's very easy, he and I, and it's, you know, it's great.
And for me, as someone who I mean, I'm very fiercely, I'm fatally, if you will, attached to truth.
I don't have another setting.
I can't always say everything I want to say, but I can't say a lie.
It's just not going to happen.
So for someone like that in a time like this, it's really, I mean, it's gratifying to work with someone who, you know, whatever the truth is, I mean, that's what he wants to hear and I don't have to tiptoe around it.
So it's been a lot of fun.
Working with working with him and he's a great guy and you know he's got it's fun to watch him with his kids you know that part of us I think that that connects us all of us even I'm not sure if you're a dad but you know when you see people who are dads with their kids it's always you know it's like that's a shared goodness that you know that many of the guys have.
And in the beginning of the pandemic, you know, it's just like that.
Like, you know, I was writing articles while I was a professor at UCLA about the lockdowns, how they were a bad idea, et cetera, et cetera.
And the fear and all that, and all this media craziness that we had going on in this country and in other countries.
And Governor DeSantis was like bucking the status quo, right?
You know, he said, this is harmful to keep the schools closed.
Let's open them.
And everyone, you know how it was like, oh, Oh, he's going to kill the kids.
I don't know.
And you know, and that was every step of the way, right?
You could not move an inch in the direction of freedom without having these people like lose their S H asterisk T. And that's, that's just how it was.
And he kept doing it and now we get to do it together.
So it's, you know, it's been, it's been really great.
You were subject, I think, to some pretty personal media attacks, vilified and ridiculed.
Were you surprised by the level of coordination and ability and appetite to dismiss your free speech as well as your professional expertise when it came to this subject, Doctor?
It's unbelievable, right?
I was totally surprised.
I mean, just most recently, we had some measles cases in South Florida.
The lockdowners were hungry for us to lock the kids out of school who didn't have a history of prior measles or a vaccine.
And I said, no.
You know, let the parents decide.
I mean, first of all, they're treating measles like it's the plague.
It's a serious illness, but it also used to be a pretty routine illness that, you know, most healthy people had no problems with.
And parents get to make those decisions about the type of risks that they take on with their families.
And the media just, I mean, it was unbelievable.
I honest to gosh, And then, of course, they were completely wrong.
Everything was fine.
And they don't write corrections.
They don't update the readers about how their predictions that the sky was going to fall and the state was going to descend into some hellish pit didn't come to fruition.
They're done, right?
They do their damage, they dust off their hands, and they're on to the next.
Next little area where they're going to do some more damage.
So it's been a surprise to me, even sometimes, even this late in the game, how both vicious and irresponsible and manipulative they can be.
But, you know, thanks to guys like you, I think more and more people are, I know more and more people are becoming aware of how it's not there.
Increasingly, they're not a tool for information.
They're a tool for manipulation.
And it's like, that's gross.
You know, most people don't want to participate in that.
Yeah, what's good news, Doc, and thanks for the compliment, is that there is growing mistrust in public health precisely because of, I feel, the figure we discussed at the beginning of our conversation, Anthony Fauci, there.
And yet many of the comments now in our live community are talking about how you are the very type of person that people would trust as a Surgeon General for an entire nation.
Indeed, there does need to be Radical change in the type of appointments that are made, in the type of rhetoric that we hear, in the type of manner that the conversation with the public and community at large is conducted.
What I mean specifically by that is, like you said with the measles outbreak in your state, If you don't want to take your kids to school, then they're your kids.
Don't take them to school.
We've not got a policy on that.
You know, you do what you want to do.
They're your kids after all.
You know, like I feel that that's the sort of approach to governing that many of us want.
Here are a few pieces of information that are interesting, that indicate where the trust in public health, and perhaps one might argue the media more generally, is going with it.
Being recently announced that it's not legal to refer to ivermectin as animal medicine now, horse paste specifically, which was, you know, in When Attacking Joe Rogan, that's the course that the entire legacy media with one voice parroted That claim.
A few things.
CDC have reported the highest childhood vaccine exemption rate ever in the U.S.
A few of, in our country, only one-fifth of National Health Service staff, that's like nurses, key workers, doctors, etc., have had cold and flu jabs this winter.
And now only 15% of U.S.
adults have received boosters, a huge drop from 80% in 2022.
So the ability to implement policy or to control public behavior has been, it seems, adversely affected during this time, which I suppose shows why the medical policy And the policies around communication and censorship had to be aligned, because to me it wouldn't be obvious at all that if you were just presenting a beneficial medicine to a needy public, why censorship and the shutting down of dissent would even be a component.
What do those sets of facts indicate to you?
Do you regard them as positive or negative?
And how would you envisage that trend continuing or being curtailed?
I gotta say, I really try and stay neutral and even-handed, but I have trouble here.
I think that they're very positive.
I mean, I'm all in.
These last few years, it's just made it so obviously clear to me that, unfortunately, We have a system in this country and in this world, including your country and every country that they touch, that is designed to maximize profits for corporations, not designed to maximize our health.
It is a profit intended system that we operate in and it masquerades as a health system.
And this is not an attack by any means on life-saving surgeries and medications and therapies.
You know, people have cancer, people have heart attacks.
We do good scientific stuff.
It is an attack on the, on the intention behind the technologies that we have available.
And the intention, the intention is greed.
The intention is, is greed.
I mean, I'm trying to think about feeling tea.
If there's just another intent, it's great.
That's what the intention is.
And sometimes it's on the mark in terms of, you know, fortunately also coming along with benefits for health.
For people.
And then sometimes it's not.
But that's not what matters for the folks who are promulgating these technologies, these new meds, these new whatever it is.
What's promulgating it is a desire to accumulate more.
More money.
Perhaps more power.
Just more.
Not more health.
You know, when you have a, with a system like that, it's just, it's important that people recognize what we're up against.
And, you know, most people don't want that.
Most people actually do want health.
You know, most people want well-being.
That's what most people actually want.
And, you know, the sooner we recognize that Those are not the intended.
I mean, they're byproducts, but they're not the intended product of our system.
They are byproducts.
And the sooner people really recognize that, I think the sooner we'll be able to create the system that we want.
To alter that would indeed be a radical, ontological, philosophical shift in your country because I think we all just take for granted now that the purpose of medicine is profit, the purpose of food is profit, and of course it should be argued that both of those entities, certainly at the regulatory level, be geared towards the wellness of the population. A few
more comments. Jim Earth C137 said this guy would destroy Fauci in a debate, would love to see it. And
NJBrit in our community asked, if Trump is elected, would you be interested in the Surgeon
General's position if it were offered?
And I'd like to add to that, would you, and I don't know if this is something that's encompassed
within that role, but would you be advocating for a kind of money out of health position,
an FDA that wasn't funded to the tune of 70%, I think, of its revenue by the companies that
is supposed to be regulating? Do we need to get lobbying out of politics? Do we need to control
the way that big pharma companies are able to fund?
Legacy media and the obvious financial ties and leverage that that gives them.
What are the kind of changes, given that you've just offered the diagnosis that the problem is that avarice is what motivates the medical profession, what policies could be introduced in this, in the event that you found yourself in a again a vaulted position at the national and federal level, would you, what kind of policies would you and changes would you advocate for Dr. Ladipo?
Yeah, well I think, you know, I definitely want to have as much influence as possible with these issues because, you know, because I feel obligated to.
I mean, I feel very strongly that I'm correct in terms of the things that I say and feel.
And so, you know, I think I'd be open to exploring anything, any way of achieving that, you know, along with my wife and the kids to make sure everyone's on the same page with it.
You know, it can be tough to be in these positions with a family.
And, you know, it's interesting because the answer actually isn't going to come from policy.
The answer doesn't come from policy because It's, it's just it's this it's a common dynamic is you know Russell that when you know when you change the goalposts, or you make something mirror, or you push people this way, those things will change what people do, but when the folks who are involved.
Like when they care about something different than your objective, they're going to be, they'll constantly and forever be looking for little holes, little ways to get around those new goalposts and those new, you know, those new barriers.
And they will do that, you know, for eternity, right?
And eventually they'll be successful.
I mean, that they, that stuff doesn't, it doesn't work as well as, as well as you want.
So where the change needs to happen is where it's happening right now, which is with the people.
When you change the vibration of the people, like when you change our orientation to ourselves and to the truth and to information and to our goals and what we want in our lives, These systems that are only about profit and not about health, they will not survive.
Like one way or the other, they will fall.
Every last one of them will fall.
And that type of change is sustainable and can last forever and will direct itself as the circumstances of the world change to meet whatever the needs are at that time.
So what I would do would be to focus on the people and access to the type of of programs, of interventions, of technology that can help people raise their vibration, shed stress, shed trauma, connect with God, connect with their connection with the universe, connect with themselves, right?
Because it's all oneness.
It's all connected.
And that's what I would do.
That's where I would focus.
And it's achievable.
Dr. Ladipo, thank you so much for your time today.
Thank you for writing the book Transcend Fear, a Blueprint for Mindful Leadership in Public Health.
It has a foreword by Bobby Kennedy and an afterword by the great Gavin de Becker.
There's a link in the description for all of the chats right now.
I'll be buying it and I'll be reading it and I imagine and assume that is as illuminating as time spent in your company.
Thank you for your spiritual approach.
to medical matters and your loving approach to political issues. I feel that that's precisely
what we need, not just your country but the world. Thank you so much for your time, Dr. Latipo.
Thanks so much, Russell.
I hope we see each other again soon.
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Now, to present the news to you in a way you will never see in the mainstream media.
Here's the news.
No, here's the effing news.
White clots are mysteriously turning up in people's arteries and bodies discovered by
physicians and morticians.
With the amount of censorship that surrounds the issue of Covid, are we ever likely to get the truth about white clots?
Let's have a look, first of all, at a conversation between Dr. John Campbell and the brilliant Neil Oliver, so that we can understand what these white clots are.
I just don't like thinking about it.
I don't like thinking about a vein being all cluttered up with that stuff.
Have you looked at them yet?
They're really bloody disgusting.
Then we'll look at John Campbell talking to an expert on the subject, and then we'll look at some medical data and medical analysis, so that we can understand whether this is something we have to continue to be concerned about, and why we're not discussing it more plainly and broadly.
It really is like something out of a low-grade novel, Neil, isn't it?
You've got this new, or apparently completely new, pathology being found in dead bodies around the world.
And we know that these have been found, these strange, mysterious, long...
Rubbery white clots have been found in bodies in the United Kingdom, the United States, Canada, New Zealand, Australia.
Delicious!
Cotslow!
Lovely!
Baconride!
Lovely!
Now, I've actually heard about these some time ago, but I didn't realise how abundant they were.
And then I was interviewing Major Tom Haviland, who's a data analyst in the States.
And he's actually reached out to 269 embalmers with an average of 15 years experience each, embalming about 100 bodies a year on average per person.
And in the year 2023, 73% of these embalmers have observed these strange white stringy rubbery clots.
Really quite incredible.
And if you take into account the embalmers that didn't see any, it was still in 20% of the dead bodies.
And it seems to be pretty similar in the United States and in the United Kingdom.
These rubbery clots...
I don't like the phrase rubbery clots being said again and again and again, but I suppose even more disgusting than the language and the image is the idea that there are emergent phenomena that aren't being plainly discussed.
If you consider the amount of propaganda that surrounded the Covid period, how you were informed of all the potential Threats, and the images of spores, and the propaganda films of people coughing out their last, and the hospitals that were erected, and the internment camps, and the medications, and the comms were pretty hot, weren't they?
And pretty pervasive.
There was nothing you didn't hear about.
Don't travel here, don't travel there, don't touch this, don't touch that.
Then all of a sudden, like something, as Dr. John observed, quite sci-fi and simultaneously lo-fi and revolting has emerged, and You're not really hearing it discussed to the degree that it perhaps ought if it is as prevalent as is suggested.
That can be an inch long or can be up to 30 inches long are there and have been pulled out of the arterial systems and the venous systems of dead bodies and there's some anecdotal reports of them being pulled out of living bodies by surgeons as well but we know for sure Okay, so that's the introduction.
Before we get into Dr John's conversation with a well-informed expert on the subject, let's read you a little text.
In a world gripped by the relentless march of a pandemic, the discovery of white clots in the deceased has ignited a firestorm of controversy, drawing attention from healthcare professionals, conspiracy theorists and concerned public alike.
I'm all of those, except I'm not a healthcare professional.
At the heart of this debate lies a critical question.
Is there a link between these unusual clots and mRNA COVID-19 vaccines?
When Thai neurologist Dr Thiruvath, referencing the insights of English YouTuber and retired nurse educator Campbell, took to Facebook to discuss the presence of white clots in the carotid arteries of the deceased, the online community took notice.
Particularly concerning was Thiruvath's suggestion that these clots found in individuals with a history of mRNA COVID vaccinations might be connected to sudden deaths.
I can't see that it would be good to have a 30-inch rubbery white blood clot in your arterial system.
I can't imagine that it would be advantageous.
And it does seem extraordinary that excess deaths are widely being underreported and mismanaged mathematically by offices of statisticians.
That heart disease appears to have significantly risen, that certain types of cancer appear to have risen, that these medications were patented in an unusual way at an unusual time, that the lab leak itself is potentially a result of dual-purpose research.
There are too many intersecting factors for there now to be an odd HG Wells arterial triphid-like story to emerge without it being cause for concern.
Despite his advocacy for vaccination, Theravath's call for further investigation into these clots stirred a blend of support, scepticism and outright fear.
What all the scepticism is?
I don't like when people go, stop looking into these!
Perhaps it's my own fault that I haven't seen anyone offer a reasonable explanation.
And that's what I think censorship obviously fosters.
Like if you saw someone Senior and plausible come out and go look you're all talking about these rubbery disgusting white blood clots well it's perfectly natural to have them what it is is as a result of this in fact there have always been rubbery white blood clots but you know there's so little trust isn't there these days so much concern so much censorship and also a lack of the kind of discourse that I'm suggesting would be helpful
The debate over the white clots and their potential linkage to COVID-19 vaccines has not unfolded in a vacuum.
It reflects broader societal tensions around vaccine safety, efficacy and trust in scientific institutions.
In the face of conflicting opinions, the call for rigorous, transparent and accessible research has never been louder.
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Okay, let's get back to the story.
The crux of the matter lies in distinguishing between correlation and causation.
A task that requires meticulous scientific investigation.
Yeah, and the ability to listen to a host of diverse experts.
What it doesn't need is scientism and censorship, which is what's been going on for the last five years.
Amid the fervor, Theravath's decision to cease public discussions on the topic underscores a challenging reality for those advocating vaccine awareness.
His ongoing commitment to vaccine safety, without outright opposition to vaccination, highlighted the nuanced positions individuals may find themselves in when confronting potential public health issues.
You could actually take this a lot further than even the issues outlined by this article that health has become A corrupted industry.
That was evident even if you take coronavirus out of it and you look at the opioid crisis that preceded it and the numerous times big pharma companies have settled out of court to repress embarrassing information.
If you observe the fact that the FDA is largely funded by pharmaceutical companies and that drugs are often, if not rushed through, then ushered through in order to facilitate profit.
When you observe that what would always be a matter for individual choice became a matter of mandate in some instances and compulsion in others, you realise that we've travelled a long way, perhaps without the proper papers to facilitate a journey into the type of trust that was undertaken.
In short, I suppose the whole idea of vaccination, even prior to the controversial period that we're now living in, Is that they may be good for populations, but when it comes to individuals, you have to ask a question.
And when you have a pharmaceutical industry that's incentivized to release products, have products regulated as lightly as possible, but as regular as conceivable, i.e.
the normalization of COVID shots, it's flu season, it's COVID season, take these things all the time.
You have an extraordinary culture of mistrust.
During the time of the pandemic they became so sort of zealous about the efficacy of vaccines and the absolute need to take them without question.
I think they created this odd climate where people that were sort of sceptical or concerned like Dr J Bhattacharya or this Dr Thiruvath who are Actually not anti-vaxxers at all that are like doctors and people like Robert Malone who I think invented vaccines.
They were sort of cast as anti-vaxxers because they were dissenting voices.
Now you have this extraordinary climate where people say oh actually I think vaccines are a good thing on the whole for society and I am a scientist and I'm dedicated to pharmacology and this is the world I live in.
However there may be a corollary between these medications and these odd disgusting white blood clot things.
There's this odd veil of secrecy and inability to openly discuss it.
Which is the sort of thing that often surrounds, if I may say, corporate crime outside of this context.
So, you can't claim that we're all supposed to be following the science, and then when scientists happen to be dissenting, well, you're not the sort of scientist, then what's the argument now?
The argument is, shut up and listen.
And that's what sort of medieval religious power behaved like.
There is one true God, shut up, we don't care, we're not interested, we'll burn you, you're a heretic.
All I said to my wife was, that piece of halibut was good enough for Jehovah!
We have had orthodoxies of condemnation and censure.
There have always been that.
That's what power does, to ensure its power is not challenged.
So I think that the discipline of science was exploited during this period, and that's why you can't have clear, open conversations around these subjects.
I suppose that when it comes to medical matters, even in the event of it being a contagious condition, it has to remain a matter of personal responsibility.
Because otherwise, when you have compelled medications, you're making some extraordinary claims about society.
You can't all of a sudden, not now, not in this climate, say, we all have to take these vaccines because we're all in it together.
Well, um, economic inequality, constant war, Gaza, the Ukraine, I mean, it just doesn't make sense in this context.
So I suppose, yeah, the idea now that something sort of disgusting and visually evocative, like white rubbery sinew appearing in arteries and the conversation about it being somewhat censored, dampered down, controlled, not fully illuminated and explored, is a further indication that indeed we are living in unusual times where a real reckoning and appraisal of what the role of public health is, what the role of vaccines are, and what our individual freedom ought look like.
As society navigates these turbulent waters, the importance of critical thinking, open dialogue and reliance on credible sources of information becomes ever more apparent.
The quest for truth in this case is not just about white clots or vaccines, it's about how we as a collective address fear, uncertainty and the hunger for answers in an age of information overload.
The resolution to the debate over white clots May just be a piece of a much larger puzzle in understanding and combating the COVID-19 pandemic.
That seems like good analysis.
Let's have a look at Dr. John Campbell's conversation with Major Tom.
These things are solid, aren't they?
They're, you know, if that's the lumen of the blood vessel...
Then this white stuff is like filling up the whole gap in the middle, isn't it?
Don't be childish.
Yeah, well, we think it's growing, right?
So at some point it's smaller, right, and blood's still able to flow around, but then at some point it completely blocks off a vessel, or your embolism breaks off and goes to a critical juncture, and that's when you get your stroke or heart attack.
So, you know, it may be a process where it takes maybe 6 months, maybe 12 or 18 months for these to grow to the size that they become dangerous to a living person.
Really?
So they could be growing for some months?
Could be.
I like old Dr. John Campbell style, because when he said, oh, they could be growing for some months, because Dr. John Campbell has to be careful of YouTube restrictions.
So when he does things like, oh, really, what he means is, so what time were the vaccines administered?
Oh, 12, 21.
He's still doing the maths for us.
We're not sure, but the data that I've collected seems to indicate that's a possibility.
Because some of the embalmers didn't start seeing the white fibrous cloths until the middle of 2021.
After a certain event happened earlier that year.
Look at everyone in the wonderful world of euphemism tiptoeing their way around guidelines that exist actually precisely to stop this conversation happening.
Isn't it unusual?
You're where you're living in an unusual time.
It's weird, isn't it?
Let's go back a bit.
2020.
Yeah.
There was a lot of people getting the Wuhan version of the SARS coronavirus 2 and then into the Alpha.
Were, and that's before the vaccine rollout of course, when this disease was presumably rampant, because there was no vaccination, were you getting any reports of these white things, whatever we call them, happening in 2020?
I did indeed, John, to a lesser extent.
In our first survey, 44 of the embalmers, we got 179 responses from embalmers in our first survey that we did last year, and 44 of those embalmers did see the white fibrous clots And that makes sense because like I said there's a spike protein on the surface of the virus itself and we believe that spike protein on the virus on the virus itself can lead to the formation of these amyloid proteins.
That's interesting because obviously what a lot of people say no it's coronavirus that's causing these clots so it's not the fault of vaccines and therefore science but then you might think for a few seconds longer about the origins of of coronavirus and why it's got that spike protein and you will be forced to conclude that it emerged from the Wuhan Institute of Virology where they were doing dual purpose research and you're back to the same culprits.
But then the embalmers saw that explode in 2021 when we had the advent of the rollout of the medical intervention.
So many more embalmers saw the phenomenon in 2021.
As we know, there's a rationale for that, right?
Because the medical intervention was supposed to stay in your deltoid muscle.
And produce just enough of the spike protein to elicit an immune response, and do that for just a couple of days or a week, and then it's job is done.
It's got you ready for COVID when it came.
But we know now that that's not what happened at all.
The medical intervention goes all over your body, turning your whole body into a spike protein factory, and it can do that for months at a time.
So the scientists that I've talked to, John, believe that it's exacerbated or supercharged the effect of the formation of these white fibrous clots.
I just have to take a breath, Tom, to pause so I don't get cross.
You know, we were told exactly what you said.
And it was wrong.
These lipid nanoparticles are systemically distributed.
They go everywhere.
And we're just starting to learn some of the consequences of that.
Misinformation, lie, propaganda, or whatever you want to call it.
We'll stick with, we'll just stick with it.
So 2021-2022, did the amount that we're seeing remain constant 2021-2022-2023?
We just checked this year, the percentage of corpses that contain the white fibrous clots went down from an average of about 30% down to 20%.
This is in 2023?
30% down to 20%.
This is in 2023.
And yeah, in 2022, it was about 30% of corpses contained these white fibrous clots.
5% of corpses, that's just too many, isn't it?
Something that didn't exist at all, now being extraordinarily common, is cause for investigation.
The same as excess deaths.
And you'll note that the response to excess deaths has been to change the way that deaths are recorded.
And I feel like it's difficult not to correlate this information and conclude that something unusual is happening.
Even when you see Dr. John Campbell sort of rather articulately describe the disparity between what we were initially told the vaccines...
You know, they won't even call them that anymore.
Medications, whatever you want to call them, were supposed to do remain on site and elicit a small manufacture or response of the creation of spike proteins but actually no, they distribute throughout the whole body.
You know, it all sort of starts to make sense because you've heard it all now and all of us that don't have the kind of medical understanding that Dr. John does and his partner in this video are beginning to understand through this sort of couple of years of education that really you can't Trust what you were told in the first place and you have to be very aware about what you put into your body and the motives of the people that might want to put it there.
Like I'm showing here but in 2023 that went down to 20% and that's not necessarily a vindication of the medical intervention because if you remember here in America about 80% of adults over the age of 18 had at least the first two medical interventions way back in 2021.
But only about 20% of Americans took the BA-4, BA-5 bivalent Opron booster in the fall of 2022, and even less Americans, about 15%, John, took the XBB-1.5 booster that came out last fall of 2023.
So as you get further and further away from the medical interventions, you might expect to see less of these white fibrous clots, which is indeed what Embalmers said in 2023.
All of these inquiries that are taking place, like, can you imagine?
In a sensible world, that would be included in the inquiry, wouldn't it?
I remember the first time I heard, embalmers are finding weird stuff.
It's just like, oh.
It sort of sounds too much like a conspiracy theory, that you're sort of consulting morticians on anomalies.
It sounds just too odd.
But now, it actually is.
...datasets of, during this period there was a huge wave and then it subsided during this period.
And avoiding the conclusions that appear to suggest themselves feels like a level of obedience that I just can't personally live with anymore.
Basically I think we've identified a temporal correlation and a quantitative temporal correlation.
Well, you know, we can't necessarily say... Correlation's not necessarily causation, John.
People say that a lot lately, don't they?
Because it's become a convenient phrase.
Like, whataboutism.
You can't say whataboutism!
Like, you know, what about our invasion of Iraq?
If invasion's bad, like when Russia invades Ukraine, how come it was alright for us to keep invading Iraq?
You hear your accent?
Yeah?
Shut up!
No, no.
But, you know, I'm seeing an awful lot of correlation here.
So I'll just let you know that.
Causation isn't correlation but he's seen quite a lot of correlation.
I don't know what's causing it but could it be causation?
It's an extraordinary time we're living in and these hideous, ghouling, gruesome, gory, white blood clot things seem to be a kind of remnant emblem, a souvenir of a rather disgusting time that we've all lived through.
An inconvenient piece of detritus that will have to be addressed at some point probably by us and responsible Physicians like those we've just seen communicating because it's unlikely to crop up in the COVID inquiry in our country, the various inquiries in your country and throughout the world.
It'll be one of those things that's just parceled off into indefinite delay, which is what's happening in the COVID inquiry in our country, specifically with reference to vaccines.
And I wonder why that might be in an election year, perhaps so that the globalist agenda can continue.
But that actually isn't based on scientific data.
That's based on what I call common sense.
But that's just what I think.
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