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Excess Deaths In Children Are INCREASING!” Dr Drew On Excess Deaths, Fauci & More - STAY FREE #292

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	In this video, you're going to see the future.
	Hello there, you Awakening Wonders.
	Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand.
	We're going to be talking about mutant coronavirus strain.
	Obviously, we ain't doing that on YouTube.
	Too crazy.
	Too W.H.O.
	adverse.
	We also got on this show a fantastic guest.
	Dr. Drew Pinsky is with us, and we're going to be talking about... This is my favorite bit of the whole conversation.
	We're going to be talking about how he went from being an admirer, an adherent to Anthony Fauci, because they worked together, get this, around the AIDS pandemic, to being deeply cynical and suspicious of Fauci.
	This is a brilliant conversation.
	It's an education.
	You are going to love it.
	Of course, we're on YouTube.
	We love you, you Awaken Wonders, for the first 15 minutes, then freely on Rumble, where the speech might stream without impediment, without prohibition.
	And of course, you'll be told that it's actually hate speech that we're Nothing could be further from the truth.
	As usual, the Orwellian language inversion is taking place.
	When we talk about love, when we talk about bringing people together, when we talk about inspiring your independent individual sovereignty, when we talk about control of your communities, when we talk about your right to be whoever you are, they consider that hate speech.
	Why?
	Because that brings us together.
	To create the one force that can stop this globalist, elitist project.
	Unity among the people.
	Decentralised, that means we have control over our own lives, but unified in opposition to them.
	The first part of the show will be available on YouTube.
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	Download the Rumble app, then you'll know every time we're broadcasting.
	And if you want to support our work and get additional content every single week, like this week we did a brilliant report, if I may say so.
	I don't do all the working, there's a brilliant team of people working here.
	On the agricultural protests, we've got Vandana Shiva's views on why these agricultural protests are happening and how your food sovereignty relates to your freedom.
	It's kind of obvious.
	Why are there spontaneously protests all over the world?
	You are not going to want to miss this video.
	In fact, have a look at it.
	I don't think them farmers are all there at the Brandenburg Gate going, Do you know what I'm sick and tired of?
	Dual use toilets!
	You know, it's like they're trying to make it about the culture because I think most people do respect the legitimacy of people to be different religions and cultures.
	I think most people are cool with that.
	What the issue is, is inequality and the oppression and annihilation of working people across the world because of the advance of automation and the requirement for totalitarian control.
	That's what it is, isn't it?
	Time now to get right into it.
	We'll let you watch the first part of our conversation, you wonderful people of YouTube, but this is a medical physician who's got strong views on a variety of subjects, including Anthony Fauci, so we won't be able to do the whole thing.
	You'll probably know Dr. Drew because he's been in media for years.
	He's a board certified physician and legacy celebrity talent.
	With over 35 years of national radio, New York Times best-selling books and countless telly shows bearing his name.
	You can check out his work at drdrew.com plus he's on Rumble streaming with his show Ask Dr. Drew.
	Now let's get into our conversation.
	Dr. Drew, thanks for joining us.
	It's great to see you, sir.
	And as we were just starting to mention before the mics heated up, we were together a few years ago, we did a we did a speech together about recovery.
	And as I think about our last meeting, and then this one, I Many roads have been traveled.
	Would you have imagined the world would evolve the way it has?
	No, and the only people that did imagine it were kind of peripheral, zealous, fringe evangelists that were at the time regarded as conspiracy theorists.
	I always, you know, felt that in our conversations before because we're talking about medicine, we were talking about mental health, we were talking about addiction and wellness.
	I know that in our previous conversations we would have touched on the social implications of a condition like addiction.
	That addiction is somewhat related to social pressures.
	We may even have got as far as saying That the pharmaceutical industry possibly exploits addiction.
	We may not have been in a position to talk about Purdue and Big Pharma and the Sackler family and the way that the opioid crisis has been handled.
	But, you know, I know that's the kind of thing we would have touched on before.
	But as you say, we're in a very different territory now.
	From your perspective, Doc, what lines have been crossed and how is it we found ourselves here?
	Well, there are... I mean...
	So I've become a student of history because of this and much to my shock, but I think there's, I want to answer that two ways that are a little bit glib and a little bit just so.
	One is post-structuralism has taken a hold in this country in particular in a way that has been destructive.
	The idea of truth has been undermined, and the reality is there is a truth, and our goal should be to ascend to some approximation of truth.
	We've forsaken that, and that has bled into science and everything, so that's a problem.
	Number two, that's the sort of historical sort of note, but number two, you mentioned the Sackler family and the excesses of the opioid industry, But the real perpetrators of the opioid crisis were evangelical physicians.
	In this country and in the UK as well, pain medicine became this cudgel that went around and forced physicians, sound familiar now?
	Forced physicians to make pain the fifth vital sign.
	Pain was more important.
	There should be no pain ever.
	To the point where 90% of the Vicodin prescribed in the world was prescribed in this country.
	That was not the drug company.
	That was me and my peers.
	Not me.
	That was my peers.
	And evangelical physicians are dangerous.
	Fast forward to COVID.
	In this country, we have a Deborah Birx who evangelizes for lockdowns.
	An evangelical physician went state to state, governor to governor, and persuaded, frightened these governors that if they didn't lock down, they'd be killing people.
	Same phenomenon, same playbook, same disaster.
	It's interesting that we're talking about two subjects that both of which I'm fascinated by.
	The impact of post-structuralism and relativism.
	The idea that there perhaps is that there's a degree of ambiguity and look I'm sympathetic to the idea that there are institutions that have been deemed just and granted authority that could benefit from open-ended analysis.
	These are some of the areas of Poststructuralism, you know, not necessarily talking about semiotics and the semantic component of that, but certainly looking at power from an open-minded perspective.
	But also the idea that when you say evangelical physicians, it shows that there's a sort of component to prescribing medicine and issue in medical care that is emotional rather than practical.
	These days, these days, for sure!
	For sure, not only emotional but also social, because now we are having these movements in medicine where people are, you know, I was a scientist, I was a clinician, and the idea that we have social movements within medicine and focusing on things that are away, I mean, it's good that we're paying attention to these things, but that those are sweeping us away from science is really very, very concerning.
	Yeah, it's extraordinary, and I don't know how Or why that's happened?
	Because the post-structuralist idea, does that lead to the over-emotionalization of everything?
	I would have thought that it was quite an academic, quite cold, atheistic, materialistic, rationalistic ideology.
	And yet what we are talking about now is a type of hysteria within the medical profession.
	But the hysteria was, we were all, the world, much to my amazement, seemed to have been prone to this hysteria.
	You're absolutely right.
	So now, you know, again, I was giving you just so things that came to mind when you asked your initial question.
	My other sort of frame is, and I know you'll agree with this, is we've had, particularly again in this country, a narcissistic turn.
	The general trait structure of our personalities have gone towards what's called cluster B, borderline sociopath, narcissist.
	And I'd not seen a lot of history on it, but it was waiting in the background, clearly, with the hysterias right on the heels of it.
	And I can go on and on.
	I wrote a book about that 20 years ago, and it's something I can talk a great deal about.
	I saw it coming.
	I predicted.
	And I knew that the liability of narcissism is scapegoating.
	I knew there would be scapegoating and I knew there would be mobs and man, I didn't know it would look like this though.
	Do you think that this narcissism and this emergence of kind of pathological conditions
	that would have before been regarded as extraordinary and maybe even rare and certainly as problems,
	it sounds like you're saying they've become normalized.
	Is this because of individualism?
	And what do you mean by that, that everyone's become borderline sociopaths?
	So I'll tell you where I noticed it.
	I'm an internist, but I worked in a psychiatric hospital for 35 years.
	I ran their addiction services for 20 while I was practicing general medicine in a hospital outpatient setting.
	I've been 40 years in medicine.
	And in the early, mid 80s, when I first started working at the psychiatric hospital, I would look at all the admitting forms, you know, patients coming in, and I would see there was always a window where we put in the personality diagnoses.
	And the psychiatrist would put in all kinds, I saw all kinds of things, dependent personalities, and obsessive compulsive, all the full spectrum of the A, B, and C disorders that you find in the DSM-5.
	I noticed toward the end of the 80s, all of a sudden I was seeing In the female, predominantly borderline.
	And by the 1990s, only cluster B. That's all we admitted were cluster B patients.
	And I thought at the time, if you remember I did a radio show back then, and I was talking to people, you know, by the hundreds every night.
	And all I was hearing about was childhood trauma, childhood trauma, childhood trauma.
	And the outcome of childhood trauma is commonly a cluster B personality, at least trait, if not disorder.
	Just to reiterate, because so that I understand properly cluster B, it would be, could you just tell me what the indicators are again?
	That's, that's the borderline narcissist, sociopath, and histrionic.
	Those are the cluster B disorders.
	They're all, they're considered the narcissistic disorders.
	And so, and so having seen that evolution, I wrote a book in the probably 2000, I don't know what it was, eight or 10 or something.
	Where we actually did personality inventories on celebrities.
	Because I started seeing that they were really struggling with this stuff.
	A lot of trauma.
	Yeah, you're shaking your head.
	And of course we documented that they had a higher incidence of narcissistic traits than other populations.
	And even our control population.
	We used our control population.
	It was business school students.
	And they were above previously documented average.
	It was very clear.
	Everything was moving that direction.
	And it was all childhood trauma.
	That's the underlying, the underpinning issue.
	And as you know, as we used to discuss, one of the rocket fuels for addiction is trauma.
	So do you think that there's been a greater increase in trauma or a tendency to diagnose trauma?
	What are the prevailing ambient factors that have caused this phenomenon?
	It took until the 2000s for my profession to go, Oh, adverse childhood experiences affect people's mental health and health.
	Hmm.
	Amazing.
	Isn't that amazing?
	So they developed the ACE scale.
	What is on the ACE scale, which are adverse childhood experience scale, things like divorce, domestic abuse, somebody in the family in prison, somebody using substances.
	And if you have more than two of those.
	You're, and of course overt trauma and all those sorts of things we would think of as trauma, but in this world where families are decayed, where people are using substances, where there's a lot of violence and aggression, who isn't exposed to that?
	It's extremely common to be exposed to adverse childhood experience.
	And then add to that screens.
	We have no idea how that's amplifying everything and what they're being exposed to there, whether that's an independent trauma.
	So here we go.
	I mean, it is on.
	And of course, of course, it's happening more than ever.
	The only period of history that I could find similar experiences of that kind of abandonment and neglect and abuse of kids was pre-revolutionary France.
	And I wanted to write a chapter in my book about that.
	And I was told by the editor was too speculative.
	I said, look, there's gonna be, I just don't know.
	I don't, there's gonna be guillotines.
	There's gonna be mobs.
	That's what narcissists do.
	They start, they have so much unregulated aggression.
	They have to form mobs and focus it on somebody else.
	And that's, here we are now, cancellation, everybody.
	Welcome to our world.
	So if you have a culture that fetishizes the individual that is histrionic and narcissistic, sociopathic,
	the characteristics that you laid out, one of the symptoms when that becomes ubiquitous
	is the emergence of scapegoat in it.
	It has to, the sort of culture or the society requires it.
	And you're saying revolutionary France, obviously with the guillotine practice that in a Visible, demonstrable and dramatic way.
	But you're saying that our culture is bearing those signs also.
	If something's happening at that scale, it can't be moving up through individuals, can it doctor?
	There must be some sort of central social factor.
	Well, I haven't thought about it that way.
	What do you, uh, it's an interesting question.
	You mean like somebody taking advantage of that and sort of, uh, amplifying it or manipulating it in some way?
	It means, for me, my sense is that, you know, whether there was a radical increase in addiction, you think, well, why would that be?
	Is there the availability of substances?
	Is there economic inequality?
	Is there increased poverty?
	What are the social factors that likely lead to epidemic proportions being reached?
	And I feel that you indicated at the beginning that the values of the culture have shifted,
	and I feel that that's true also.
	On some level, and it's a difficult thing to entirely articulate, some people in our
	chat are saying the breakdown of the family, and I feel like we have lost our connection
	with God.
	I feel that our values have become narcissistic, that even identity politics, and I'm sympathetic to the civil rights movements around each of the categories, but what I sense is that the individual has become the sort of apex of value, that what you are as a person and what you feel and what you want is the kind of summit of the social values rather than who we are as a member of a community, who we are as a member of a movement, or even a nation or a religion.
	I feel that that plays a part somehow.
	Yes, there's no doubt, right?
	I mean, what are the first couple of steps of recovery from a substance use which is Letting go, not controlling everything, which means, you know, as many of my patients say, they feel like they're a piece of ass around which the whole world revolves.
	That needs to let go.
	You need to let go of being in.
	No, no, no, no.
	You're not the center of the universe.
	And then having for people to do that fully, They have to have some sort of concept of faith, something.
	I don't care.
	I don't know what that is for everybody.
	It's kind of magical to me to some extent, but I know that it's necessary for people to fully let go of their self-centric, whether it's white-centric or Eurocentric or whatever centric it is, they have to let go.
	They have to let go and be open to what the world has.
	Now, doing that, it sounds just so.
	It sounds like everyone should be able to do that.
	It isn't easy.
	It's not easy to do that, really.
	And to find some sort of spiritual something, it's hard for people, but I do think we miss it badly.
	I've been saying there's a spiritual malady for 20 years.
	You have too.
	The last time we were together, that's one of the things we sort of agreed upon with clarity, that there's something up.
	um how we fill that that emptiness I don't I don't to me that I don't claim to be the the carrier of that information but I do know we need to solve it yeah you're right because of course we were talking before about addiction and you were kind enough to help me with my book Recovery, I remember, and I went on your radio show or podcast.
	I can't remember what medium was flourishing at that time, but I do know that when we did the live event together, you, yeah, well, yeah, it was a print and we were talking about that.
	You agreed with my interpretation of the 12 steps is about having, as you've just described, a spiritual awakening and the support of a community.
	and ultimately being able to overcome the inclination towards the type of self-centeredness that you're describing in your cluster B diagnosis there.
	I want to interrupt you because I left out one thing that I was going to comment on your last construct of how you were describing the lack of connection.
	Lack of connection is really what you're talking about.
	Lack of connection to other, lack of connection to community, lack of connection to God, lack of connection to self, frankly.
	We are disconnected.
	And guess what trauma does?
	It disintegrates us, disconnects us.
	But I want to make one more comment because I think people will assail us for saying people aren't connected to their community.
	There is a phenomenon afoot right now I call grandiose caring, which is still the narcissism.
	I care!
	I care so much about this group and that!
	I care!
	I don't care what you care about.
	If you actually care about somebody, Develop a skill, develop some sort of wisdom, and go and offer it to another person.
	A person.
	Don't stand on the stage and beat your chest and gnash your teeth.
	That is grandiose caring, that is narcissism.
	I'm glad you care, I want you to care about other people, but that is not going to help the present moment.
	In Christianity, I know that it's significant to do God's work privately and quietly and with humility so that it doesn't become performative.
	And I guess a component of the scapegoat in has become something that's often discussed, virtue performed publicly, the appearance of morality.
	And I was thinking about the culture at the moment.
	I was thinking, how are people getting it up, Dr. Drew, to talk about The Oscars or the Golden Globes when there is this immersive sense that we are in some kind of crisis.
	I was so fascinated to hear your diagnosis because it's one that I agree with because continually from a kind of from this odd globalist humanitarian perspective people will continually cite confidence statistics around well do you know more people have been pulled out of poverty than ever before and the standard of living this and this is better than ever and I always feel what I don't No, that's the reality a lot of people are living in.
	It feels like we're in a highly precipitous and dangerous moment in a massive crisis of meaning and this kind of shared psychopathy seems relevant.
	Crisis of meaning.
	Yes.
	What does it mean to live a good life?
	And it may well be That these measures, these instruments that we measure economic well-being and people being pulled out of poverty, all that stuff you just referenced, is not relevant to the crisis of the present.
	I mean, it's always relevant, let's be fair.
	People need to be safe, they need to be able to, you know...
	But they need to be able to thrive.
	If you don't get people, if people are in pain, they can't thrive.
	Let's just state it such.
	But the reality of the present moment may be something different.
	Spiritual crisis, lack of meaning.
	What does it mean to lead a good life?
	What does that mean?
	And when I say it, people, and again, I only have this country, but I'm deeply embedded here.
	So I have this as my reference point.
	They confuse a good life with happiness.
	And hedonic happiness is a dead-end street.
	is I'm sure you say Schopenhauer's you go from happy to wanting more happiness to happy to
	wanting more it's hedonic happiness is a is a dead-end street it's it's it's nice it's good
	but eudaimonic happiness as Aristotle called it is something that's much more nourishing
	and is the source of a good life so we have to just we have to each of us figure out what that
	meaning is for us and there's some you know people have thought about that for thousands of years and
	there are people that have suggested certain things we might return to some of that stuff perhaps
	Yeah, the inward generation of joy compared to the external application of pleasure is a confusion that seems to have been with us some time.
	I was chatting to someone about Epicureanism.
	They're sort of like Epicurus was kind of got associated with pleasure seeking, but someone explained to me recently, no, he wasn't about pleasure.
	He was about joy.
	And when we start talking about pleasure over joy and transient happiness, which is easily commodified, it's very distinct from The generation of independent joy.
	Joy coming from within.
	Joy in your nature.
	You said independent joy.
	I'm of the opinion, and I may be wrong about this, but I've always noticed that real joy tends to be a shared experience.
	It's something that people have together, or at least it's amplified in such a way that it becomes more substantial when it is experienced with at least an other, if not many others.
	Yes, I think that's a fair assessment, although sometimes when I think of someone like Yogananda, like he's talking about there being an ever-present bliss that we're blocked off from because of layers of samskara and layers of injury, and I try sometimes to contemplate what does Christ, what's meant by the kingdom of heaven being within.
	So there's no doubt, I don't want to double down on the kind of individualism that you and I are both decrying, and I reckon that there's a certain joy that couldn't be derived from relationship and service, but The idea that what I'm trying to establish and explain is that as a recovering addict, the idea that pleasure is going to come from the outside, whether it's through sex or through food or through heroin or alcohol, that I can consume somehow pleasure rather than through service and good conduct.
	Through right conduct, joy will be generated as a byproduct rather than as the aim.
	Isn't right conduct something that is in short supply also?
	You know, Kant's first principles.
	I just, you know, I always think it's kind of amusing.
	I mean, his first principle was, of course, that, you know, behave as though your behavior can be judged as universal principle, which is essentially another way of saying behave in such a way that people can see all your choices, as though there's a camera going at all times.
	And guess what, everybody?
	Now there is a camera going at all times.
	So you are going to be judged.
	So you might as well fall in line.
	OK, before you answer the next question, Doctor, I have to tell our beloved viewers on YouTube, we need you to join us.
	We need you to be a part of this movement because we're going to discuss stuff that would be contraband on a WHO platform, on a platform that listens to the British government when they say demonetise Russell Brand.
	This is part of our movement.
	We need you with us right now.
	We're going to be talking about Dr Drew's views on Joe Rogan and the Covid protocol that he espoused and why the legacy media responded the way they did with that massive powload.
	You know, Pylon, excuse me, ain't it weird when the whole media responds with one voice as if there is one agenda to amplify and normalize the power, the agenda of the powerful?
	We're talking about Fauci, we're talking about excess deaths, all sorts of stuff we wouldn't be able to do on YouTube, so click the link in the description and join us there.
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	Brilliant ones on excess deaths, on farmer protests, and more importantly, perhaps, support our work so we can grow together.
	So in particular, Doctor, do you consider that a seismic occurrence took place at the commencement of the pandemic and the regulations that were imposed and the attitudes around vaccine mandates?
	Was that a pivotal moment in modern history?
	Did it reveal something to us?
	I believe it did.
	It certainly revealed something to me.
	And not just a something, a lot of things.
	And it's so funny when I was, you know, thinking about how you frame your, you identify your program as stay free.
	I thought to myself, gosh, I used to, my entire career, I used to tell people to stay well.
	But my shift because of COVID has been stay free also.
	And that is astonishing to me.
	I always thought that was a foregone conclusion.
	And the fact that we have to stand up and fight for that is just astonishing to me.
	Who I talk to... I mean, I was thinking about some of the interviews I used to do on HLN and CNN.
	I used to interview white supremacists.
	I used to interview people that are way out there.
	See what they're all about.
	Learn what I can from them.
	Now you're not allowed to even speak.
	Not allowed to show.
	What is that?
	Who I talk to?
	And by the way, I was thinking about like Joe Rogan when he got treatment for his COVID.
	His doctor gave him ivermectin and a monoclonal antibody and a NAD infusions.
	Two NAD infusions.
	And the press, of course, freaked out about the ivermectin.
	But the NAD infusions was the really interesting thing.
	An outlying treatment.
	That was outlying.
	No one has ever suggested that.
	And it seemed to help them.
	And I thought, wow, how interesting.
	And whatever the hell he does with his doctors is his effing business.
	Between the two of them, nobody has any business even directing their attention in that direction, let alone commenting on it.
	It's disgusting.
	It is disgusting that people feel at their privilege to intervene and to try to disrupt basic relationship, basic liberties.
	That's mind-boggling to me.
	Like you said, it became hysterical, it became political.
	They were unable to constrain themselves.
	There was a concerted legacy media effort to shut him down, to silence and smear and disgrace him.
	They dug up things from the past about him, his use of profane language.
	It was extraordinary how that was coordinated and it revealed a degree of authoritarianism that, as you said, Doctor, we assumed was Off the menu.
	Whether you're Democrat or Republican, we care about individual freedom and free speech.
	Well, no, that isn't what's happening anymore.
	That's not the dynamic.
	Who knew, right?
	I did never imagine that who you speak to would somebody would want to regulate or that they would... Again, this is the mob stuff.
	This is mob, this is scapegoating, this is guillotines, this is conframing the world as pure and impure.
	It's this whole model of You know, it's a religious model, really.
	They've gone bad, right, in terms of organized religion.
	It's just come into this sort of social construct.
	And just like they did in the French Revolution, you were never pure enough of a Republican, so you had to go on the guillotine.
	And by Republican, I mean somebody who supported the New Republic.
	They were called Republicans.
	So, you know, first you're the Jacobins, and then all the Jacobins got their heads cut off, and by the Sainte-Colette, and then Sainte-Colette and Robespierre got their heads cut off by the Royalists, and then the Royalists got put in prison by Napoleon.
	It was one thing.
	It does not go well, everybody.
	You are in the interest of all to stop now.
	Stop this nonsense now.
	Doc, is this a good time for us to talk about the wellness company that are promoting and are partnering us with our content today that I believe you are affiliated with?
	We've already done a promo for the wellness company for the medical kits, where in the event of an emergency, you would have in your home necessary medicines, including the controversial prize winning Ivermectin, as well as a variety of other products.
	Can you tell us what that kit is and what in particular what your affiliation with it is?
	I'm a member of their chief medical board.
	There is a variety of physicians on that board with differing opinions.
	We're not all in complete unison on everything, but we all agree that the physician-patient relationship has been adulterated.
	We were just talking about Joe Rogan and how people tried to adulterate his relationship with his doctor.
	The physician is powerless in this country right now.
	So I am interested in empowering patients.
	They should have access to things that they know how to use, that are simple to use, that we can teach them to use.
	They can have backup with telehealth.
	There's more efficient and certainly much less expensive ways to do that.
	And that's what the wellness company is all about.
	There's many more things to come.
	Pay attention.
	We have some other readiness kits coming that I think you'll be amazed by.
	When you think about it, of course you should have these things on hand.
	They're easy to use.
	You know how to use them.
	And I'm just proud to be a part of their organization.
	I'm a paid member of that board and I'm happy to be a part of it.
	It's not prepper type stuff then.
	It's not necessarily in the event of an emergency, you should have antibiotics, antivirals.
	You think it's just a sort of a sensible thing for people to have in their home anyway?
	Both.
	I think, look, my wife is lucky because, you know, if it's an after hours situation and her physician's unavailable, I can kind of step in and help out.
	It's not a great idea to treat your family, but there's certain things that are just so easy to use that people should just have.
	When people travel, I give them a batch of medicines.
	I teach them how to use them.
	Here's how you use these things if this happens.
	And guess what?
	I've been doing that for 20 years.
	Never been a problem.
	Guess what?
	Our travel kits are coming next.
	Right, so things like antibiotics, antiparasitics, medicines that are likely to be useful in the event of a variety of kind of common conditions.
	Common, urgent, after hours.
	For God's sakes, don't go to an urgent care where you pay for all that real estate, all that equipment, all those employees.
	You pay for that when you walk in there.
	Our system could be infinitely more efficient, and this is an attempt to bring it that way.
	Well, brilliant.
	Well, we'll post the link for that right now.
	And I guess we're doing some kind of discount, I would hope, given that we are like affiliated in some way.
	But we'll post that right now.
	Thank you, Doctor.
	Can we move elegantly onto the subject of Excess deaths.
	It's a difficult thing to talk about because of censorship as well as the fact that, you know, well, take this example.
	There's been an 8% increase in excess deaths among children in the United Kingdom.
	It's difficult to countenance that that means there's a higher likelihood that your own children are going to die.
	Why is this?
	And I saw recently a Channel 4 documentary that, interestingly, were one of the companies that attacked me recently in conjunction with other legacy media organizations simultaneously.
	Working together on their investigation.
	When they were talking about excess death, they literally did an item on the news.
	There's a mystery thing!
	People are just dying!
	We don't know what it is!
	And like that, every single comment under the video is, we know what this is!
	Everyone knows what this is!
	Like, they say, what's happening?
	And why is there not an appetite to investigate this in a fearless and thorough way?
	That is the bigger mystery, right?
	That's the part that is nefarious, concerning, egregious.
	Your country is beginning to have some hearings on this in the parliament, though it's just getting started.
	I've watched some of that.
	They're being done well and properly and thoughtfully and non-hysterically.
	And we have to be open to any and all explanation.
	My own belief is, my suspicion is, I shouldn't say belief because it is science, my suspicion is we're going to find that the real culprit is the spike protein.
	However you are exposed to it.
	And so the more exposure to spike, the more we're going to see difficulty.
	It's, it is clearly the pathogenic part of the virus.
	And of course, many of the vaccines, that's what we're creating to create the immune reaction is more spike.
	And maybe some people produce more spike than are something I will find out, but it is, it is going to be the spike, but the astonishing thing.
	Is that there are more people dying in this excess death pandemic than died in COVID.
	And yet we shut the world down for that.
	What is going on here?
	I'm not saying on any given day there's more people dying.
	I'm saying the cumulative effect of excess deaths persisting year in and year out, we're going to easily surpass COVID.
	And so why isn't there, forget the urgency, just Why is no country doing that?
	This is the astonishing thing to me, that the whole world shut down, the whole world became hysterical, and the entire world is ignoring this thing.
	Now maybe they don't feel it's the place of government, maybe it's the medical system that has to come up with that.
	And we take a long time to to cull through stuff, to come up with the evidence of what's going on.
	If you leave it just to the medical system, who's going to pay for the studies?
	How's that going to get done?
	Obviously pharmaceuticals not very interested in it.
	So I think government's going to have to step up and do it.
	Yeah, I hope you're right.
	Just to give you some information on the COVID inquiry in the UK, it's cost £145 million up until now.
	They're delaying the significant questions indefinitely.
	They've not said when they're going to continue the inquiry, but it will certainly be after the elections in the summer.
	So there's the kind of opacity that's defined investigations in your country as well.
	And obviously being a sceptical person, I can't help but think that some powerful interests are being served or protected.
	by the way that this is subsequently being handled.
	And on that subject, Anthony Fauci has gone from being a sort of a hero, very deliberately portrayed in that manner as well, from late night talk shows, holding dance numbers, and we're all invited to adore Anthony Fauci.
	He proclaimed himself as being the science, in inverted commas, and he also said publicly that people, when the right measures are imposed on them, will lose their ideological BS.
	I wonder if you think that irreparable damage has been done in the institutions that surround American medicine, the CDC, the NIH, etc.
	due to Fauci's conduct and some of the odd financial relationships around that time.
	Well, again, a lot packed into your questions as always.
	And I don't know about irreparable damage because they were adulterated and we didn't know it and thank God we know it now.
	So maybe we can do something about it.
	Maybe.
	The fact that it had gone so far in a certain direction where regulators and pharmaceutical companies are so intertwined.
	And by the way, the publishing infrastructure and major medical journals.
	I'm not allowed even to allow a drug rep into my office to give me a pen with a drug name on it.
	And yet these guys go back and forth between and amongst each other and share each other's jobs and livelihoods.
	You got it.
	This needs a very careful analysis.
	Number one.
	Number two, you mentioned how Dr. Fauci was a hero.
	Dr. Fauci has been my hero my whole career.
	He was the reason I got involved in radio.
	I was deeply involved in treating AIDS patients.
	And in 19 mid early 80s, when we were just starting to go from calling this thing grids to AIDS, he was saying, you know, you got to get out there.
	And we actually was telling us to go out and scare people.
	Sound familiar?
	That's gonna be millions of dead, millions of dead.
	And I dutifully did that, and I scared the hell out of a whole generation of high school students that they were all going to get AIDS, and they were all equally likely to get it, and they had to use a condom.
	And I believed that.
	I thought we stopped that from happening by scaring the crap out of these kids.
	But I apologize now if that had adverse effect.
	I see now the inadvantageous outcome of using fear.
	We should never use fear and panic in medicine.
	It's unethical.
	And I apologize if my participation that harmed people, but we really had a, you know, that was a deadly illness with a 100% fatality rate.
	Not a 1% fatality rate, a 100% fatality rate.
	And it was a bleak, dark period.
	I was telling, as a fourth year medical student, I was telling young men regularly they had six months to live.
	So there was a degree of panic.
	I was never wrong, by the way.
	So there's that.
	Now, when this thing hit, You know the things that I got criticized for were obviously you know when you when things go viral you know I'm sure you've noticed it's never what you say it's always what somebody says you said it's never what you say and of course never and no one ever comes back go would you clarify that what did you mean never ever ever and if you try oh no you said no they keep saying something else about other than what you've said which then that goes viral it's just it's just insidious it's disgusting but there we are that's how things go viral
	And when things are viral on me, the one thing they always cut out of my comments was the thing I actually got wrong.
	Because the thing I actually got wrong was at the end of every comment, I would say, please just listen to Dr. Fauci, listen to the CDC.
	They've been guiding my career there.
	You can rely on these people to get us through it.
	And I believe that until Dr. Fauci was in front of our government and they asked him whether we should, whether, you know, Dr. Fauci, you've closed down church practices out of doors.
	Is it okay to go to a political demonstration?
	And he looked and he went, I don't know what you're talking about.
	And I thought, Oh, he's been adulterated.
	Something's wrong.
	Something is something.
	This is not the same man.
	So what is going on here?
	And it just went from on and on and on from there.
	So I kept expecting him to go back to his baseline reversion to the mean, but it just, it kind of never happened.
	And it sort of was a misapplication of some of the same strategies we use back in the AIDS days.
	It's a different time.
	And that thing did those strategies are not useful, not good.
	We probably weren't good then.
	It's quite extraordinary and frightening, I would think, to be in a position where, necessarily, if you're a medical profession, you have to operate within institutions because institutions, when they're good, are the housing of expertise and accumulative knowledge.
	But institutions, when they are bad, are the vessels for corruption.
	And it seems like you've almost experienced that metastasis.
	Yeah, yeah.
	It's been sort of an evolution.
	And like I said, it went from stay well to stay free.
	That's what my, that's my evolution.
	And part of that is looking, then I started looking at a lot of things.
	Look, medical literature.
	I, during COVID, Journals, I read the journals religiously and carefully and all of a sudden during COVID, all the science went one direction.
	That is not science then.
	Science is a back and forth and it kind of moves as you come to understand the landscape of literature.
	It moves in a certain direction.
	You kind of develop a consensus.
	It doesn't just go one way.
	And I thought, there's something wrong with the editorial process too.
	And it was actually, I saved one journal.
	It's not here on my desk right now.
	But Annals of Internal Medicine, about two years into COVID, finally started writing some articles that were About budesonide, and about fuvoxamine, and about, you know, alternative treatments for early COVID.
	I thought, oh, my annals of original medicine has returned.
	They're back.
	They're showing the full spectrum of what's out there.
	But, you know, remember that Danish study that showed that a small percentage of the initial rollout of the vaccine was responsible for 90% of the adverse reactions?
	I don't know if you know that study.
	It was a great study done by a Danish researcher and physician.
	It took her two years to get that published.
	Two years!
	Two years to publish something that should have been just out and before us and top of mind.
	Yes, yes, yes, because in a sense there were opportunities to intervene with what led to incidents of catastrophic incidents.
	Yes, that's astonishing that there were so many examples of the narrative being controlled and directed.
	Still now it's very difficult to talk about batches because that indicates that the process was not reliable, that there was variation.
	There are so Many lines of inquiry that are just impossible.
	I have a few questions, if it's okay, from people in our chat.
	Primal Colin says, what are your opinions, Doctor, on, well, it's quite a lot of questions.
	Disease X, mRNA slippage, SV40, and the New Zealand whistleblower data.
	Maybe the whistleblower data.
	What do you think about that?
	Because I suppose, I'm sure you're familiar, and potentially there could be 17 million excess deaths based on that.
	I've heard that figure elsewhere also.
	I pulled that study recently.
	I don't know what to make of anything right now.
	I just know we need to continue to look and examine and try to figure things out, not get hysterical on any front.
	Ascending to the truth takes time.
	It's hard.
	It's not about being right.
	It's about trying to get to a clear understanding of what's going on here.
	I don't know if you saw the Austrian study that came out also that Vinay Prasad put out I want to read you that one.
	I actually pulled it up because that will really interest your audience, it seems to me.
	Here it is.
	This is an excellent study, well done, peer-reviewed.
	We did not observe a significant vaccine effect from the fourth vaccine dose, COVID-19 deaths, during a time with already very low absolute risk for outcome, meaning the vaccine had no effect.
	And they observe no individuals younger than 40 years died of COVID-19.
	So why are we getting vaccinated at all?
	This is the thing.
	Let's say the risk of myocarditis is one in 50,000.
	It may be 1 in 800, but let's say it's just for the sake of argument, it's 1 in 50,000.
	The risk of dying of COVID is zero under 40.
	Why are we putting anybody at any risk of cardiac injury?
	Why are we doing that?
	And why pushing?
	Why pushing so hard?
	Especially we know the spike protein is the pathogen.
	By the way, we have other vaccine alternatives.
	What about Covaxin?
	What about whole viral alternatives?
	Why don't we, why don't we, if you want to push vaccine, how about those?
	Why this one?
	And why only this one?
	Weird, right?
	And then how do I give informed consent to a 22-year-old?
	How do I do that?
	When all of it is obscured and obfuscated, except to say, look, the recently published data suggests your risk of death is zero.
	Do we want to talk about the potential adverse effects of the vaccine, given that your risk of death is zero from this illness?
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	For me, it seems like it was an extremely revealing period that I obviously come from a different world in many regards, though there were crossovers in our experience and some of our perspectives.
	But for me, the confirmation that you cannot trust authority, That various arms of the establishment work in conjunction in order to achieve favoured outcomes, that crises are utilised to impose power, that if there's an opportunity to introduce authoritarianism and generate profit, it will be taken.
	All of these sort of pre-existing biases, I would have to call them,
	appear to get like pretty significant ticks next to them over that couple of years.
	But isn't it astonishing?
	I mean, you and I grew up in similar eras when at least, you know, question authority was our presumed position.
	And then we expected our press to speak to the people in power and to question the people in power.
	That is flipped on its head.
	Where people are signing on to authoritarianism and are becoming a part of the elites and reinforcing their excesses.
	That, okay, now we need to become a student of history because that is not something that I would expect in your country or mine.
	And yet here we are.
	By the way, the French, back to the French Revolution, the French youth have been pushing back on this.
	They have been bristling about it since they were getting a vaccine mandate.
	They were in the streets on Friday and Saturday night Demonstrating against that.
	They're saying, how's that liberty?
	It's a founding principle of this country.
	How is that liberty?
	Yeah, in every protest movement you can rely on the French to take it to extremes.
	It's agricultural, we're dumping stuff in the street.
	Yeah, thank God for the French, you have to say once in a while, even as an English person.
	Yeah, it's become clear that the function of the media is to normalize and amplify the agenda of the establishment.
	That's a sort of a paradigm that, you know, whether that's to introduce a new piece of technology, a new piece of legislation, to shut down a piece of dissent, it's become something that's become prevalent and You can candidly state in this space now.
	Doc, we've got to wrap up now.
	Thank you so much for your contribution and your participation.
	And on a personal note, it's just lovely to see you again.
	Really lovely and heartwarming.
	It is lovely to see you too.
	I don't know if you remember, but every time you and I talk together, we go, we've got to do more.
	We need to spend more time together.
	I'm feeling that now!
	Yeah.
	We should do this again.
	We could have talked for another hour easily.
	We could do a variety of things.
	We could do things where we do questions and answers.
	We talk about mental health, addiction, corruption, the duty of the physicians.
	There's so many things.
	Let's do it.
	Let's just do it.
	We'll figure out a way to do it.
	Dr. Drew, thank you.
	I would love to come visit you too.
	That'd be fun.
	You're always welcome here.
	Lots of love to you, Doc.
	Thank you so much.
	Thank you, Doctor.
	It's always a great pleasure to speak with you.
	I'm going to be doing more.
	Let's do a stream together.
	I'd love to do that.
	Let me know how you'd like to see me and Doctor Drew collaborate.
	It could be the new Brangino.
	It could be the new Browder or Crand.
	I don't know how to do these things.
	Hey, the Portmanteaus, those things are called, aren't they?
	So you can see Dr. Drew's work at drdrew.com or you can watch Ask Dr. Drew streaming on Rumble.
	There's a link in the description for all that.
	Now you are aware that a mutant coronavirus strain is being worked on.
	Chinese scientists have created it.
	It's extraordinary.
	It attacks the brain.
	And if you were a mouse right now, or rather mouses, if there's more than one of you, It has a 100% kill rate and of course there's a risk it might spill over into humans.
	So do whatever it takes to stop disease X or madness that must be stopped before it's too late.
	Here's the news.
	No, here's the effing news.
	Stay with us.
	No.
	Here's the fucking news!
	Good news everyone!
	Chinese scientists, you know those guys, have created a new strain of coronavirus that has a 100% cure rate on mouses that they're testing it on.
	So what do you think?
	Gain-of-function research should continue at a pace to create a vaccine in case there is a new disease X?
	Or do you think they should stop doing these experiments because it has the potential to cause another pandemic?
	We are working now feverishly in laboratories on humanized mouses to ensure that we have a vaccine against you being corrupted and corralled by legacy media.
	We're not doing anything like that, but Chinese scientists are right now, apparently, working on new forms of coronavirus that have a 100% kill rate on little, tiny, potentially innocent, mouses.
	Do you think that after events over the last few years, we should look at whether or not gain-of-function research is as effective as is claimed?
	Do you want dual-purpose research continuing where they work on chemical weapons and vaccines simultaneously?
	Are you beginning to wonder if the cure might be worse than the disease and might even cause the disease?
	Are these legitimate questions to ask?
	And if not, why not?
	Chinese scientists are experimenting with a mutant COVID-19 strain that reportedly has a 100% kill streak in mice.
	The new strain is called GXP2V, and it attacks the brains of mice engineered to reflect similar genetic makeup to humans.
	Humanized mouses.
	Now, when you listen to the list of symptoms that these mouses are showing, do you think, I think Joe Biden's got this disease?
	With most mice living just eight days, He's got about that long, maybe.
	After being infected with this virus, researchers report the mice lost weight, became sluggish, adopted a hunched posture.
	Uh-huh.
	With their eyes turning completely white the day before they died.
	Well, that election's not going to happen then.
	And this experiment, of course, brings back haunting memories from the 2020 pandemic.
	Let's bring in senior national correspondent Brian Endin, who is following this story, joins us live.
	Brian, the obvious question here, could this affect humans in the same way?
	Uh, well, we have to wait to find out that part of this.
	We're gonna wait and see.
	Ooh, surprise!
	Please God, it doesn't.
	We're just gonna make sure that they keep the windows shut at that level.
	Oh, you bloody idiots!
	Not again!
	We've been looking over this research all day, Nicole, and obviously, like you said, any time you hear about China doing some kind of COVID research, it does send off alarm bells.
	Well, a little bit.
	What they should have is alarm bells in those laboratories that tell you when coronavirus is getting out the window.
	That, I wouldn't mind paid taxis for.
	We're going to need a few more taxis, not for bonuses for Aunty Fauci.
	This one's actually for a bit of sealant around the windows.
	No, that's money well spent.
	But we won't be able to go to war with Yemen.
	Oh, no, no.
	We've got to have a war with Yemen.
	I've got to have that war.
	You know, when you think back to the way the whole pandemic may have started.
	What's going on in the back?
	Is kids collapsing all over the place?
	What's causing all these children to collapse?
	There is some reason to be concerned about this, and you mentioned some of the symptoms that these mice in this lab in China have after they were tested with this new strain of COVID.
	Lost weight, sluggish, eyes turned white.
	Again though, for us, I think the biggest concern is What kind of research are they doing, and is there the possibility of another lab leak?
	Another.
	Could that be a problem here?
	Dr. Marty, who you heard from there, from Florida International University, she says she was actually on a special team with United Nations that would go into laboratories around the world and make sure that they're following protocols and not doing anything dangerous.
	And she said based on what she knows with the situation in China, which we don't know a ton about, but Based on the little information that we do have, she says she hopes that one of these teams will go in there and make sure that everything is being done safely.
	That would be nice, wouldn't it?
	If you just have a little mooch about, see if it's safe.
	Because, you know, we did just have a little bit of a pandemic.
	And although the pandemic was pretty beneficial to the most powerful interests in the world, both financially and authoritarian structures that benefit from people being terrified and being out of luck.
	It would be good if we didn't have a disease that kills, what was the percentage again?
	Oh yeah, 100%.
	That's everyone, except for people that have bunkers and live on high mountaintops.
	So, you know, it's not all bad news.
	Not if you're a Davos.
	Because again, when you hear China and you hear COVID and you hear mice and you hear new testing, it obviously gets a lot of people worried, Nicole.
	Yes, it does.
	All right, Brian Inton.
	Thank you.
	So there you go.
	That's the Legacy Media reporting on what sounds like a unnecessary experiment with very few beneficial outcomes.
	Let's get into it.
	Chinese scientists have been experimenting with a mutant coronavirus strain that is 100% lethal in mice, despite concerns that such research could spark another pandemic.
	Scientists in Beijing, who are linked to the Chinese military, why are we seeing these connections between the military and research into vaccines?
	I remember when I first heard that stuff, I think from Bobby Kennedy, I was like, come on, mate, this can't be right.
	But just another one of those conspiracy theories that proves to be true.
	Just another piece of true information that will be regarded as misinformation that reminds you that when people are talking about misinformation, what they're talking about is information that's going to make you not be compliant.
	Scientists in Beijing who I mean, at this point, what is the upside?
	I mean, I know China's not a democracy, so they shouldn't hold elections on whether or not that should continue, but in your country, in our country, when we're spending $145 million on a basically aborted COVID inquiry, don't you think we should publicly and collectively decide whether or not we want this type of research to take place?
	Isn't that the very essence of participatory democracy?
	The mice had been humanized, meaning they were engineered to express a protein found in people with the goal being to assess how the virus might react in humans.
	Every rodent that was infected with the pathogen died within eight days, which the researchers described as surprisingly quick.
	We were quite surprised by that.
	Oh look, those mouses are dead!
	It's not, like, supposed to be, like, a bit of a laugh that they're surprised by it.
	I expected them to die in a few weeks or eventually just escape into the streets of Wuhan, but to see them dead on the cage floor like that, I must say, it made us all chuckle.
	You couldn't see because I was wearing a mask.
	Actually, I don't know why I bother with this thing.
	The team were also surprised to find high levels of viral load in the mice's brains and eyes, suggesting the virus, despite being related to COVID, multiplies and spreads through the body in a unique way.
	It's not like a sequel, is it, where you want it to be, ooh, this one's a little bit better.
	He's got that jeweled glove on this time, Thanos.
	No, this is actual life.
	Writing in a scientific paper that's not yet been published, they warned the finding underscores a spillover risk of GXP2V in humans.
	If you get a virus from a pangolin and put in a humanized mouse, and then that mouse dies, like, yeah, of course there's a bloody risk.
	I mean, I'd say the risk is so serious that it perhaps means don't even do the experiment in the first place.
	Professor François Ballou, an infectious disease expert based at University College London, wrote on Twitter,
	It's a terrible study, scientifically totally pointless.
	I can see nothing of vague interest that could be learned from force-infecting a weird breed of humanized mice with a
	random virus.
	Conversely, I could see how such stuff might go wrong.
	So there you go, there's a professor and a scientist verifying what you would intuitively think when you hear,
	Oh, they're injecting deadly diseases much worse than COVID, but a bit like COVID, into mice in a lab over in China.
	What the hell are they doing that for?
	Haven't they learned anything?
	And the answer is, well, maybe they have learned something.
	That's even more terrifying, isn't it?
	Professor Richard E. Bright, a chemist at Rutgers University in New Brunswick, New Jersey, told DailyMail.com he wholeheartedly agreed with Professor Ballou's assessment.
	He added, the preprint does not specify the biosafety level and the biosafety precautions used for the research.
	I'll tell you now that every time I'm saying Ballou, I'm thinking bear necessities.
	And if I don't say it to you, I'm going to just keep thinking it.
	So I've said it.
	There.
	When he's doing his own scientific research, he only looks for the bare necessities.
	You can hardly say injecting pangolin in a humanised mouse's is bare necessities, is it?
	It's like much more prickly pawpaw territory, I'd say.
	The absence of this information raises the concerning possibility that part or all of this research, like the research in Wuhan in 2016 and 2019, that likely caused the COVID-19 pandemic, recklessly was performed without the minimal biosafety containment and practices essential for research with a potential pandemic pathogens.
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	According to the study carried out by the Beijing University of Chemical Technology, the virus was discovered in 2017 prior to the COVID outbreak.
	It was discovered in Malaysia in pangolins, scaly mammals that are known harbourers of coronaviruses and were heavily speculated to be the intermediate hosts that passed COVID from bats to humans.
	I also, when I see them, think they should be in that bar in Star Wars, threatening and solo.
	The researchers cloned the virus and stored multiple copes in the Beijing lab, where it continued to evolve.
	It's unclear when the newly surfaced study was conducted, but the researchers said it was possible the virus had undergone a virulence-enhancing mutation in storage, which made it more deadly.
	For the new research, 8 mice were infected with the virus, 8 were infected with an inactivated virus, and 8 were used as a control group.
	All mice infected with the virus died.
	They succumbed to the infection between 7 and 8 days after being infected.
	What is their fascination with eight mouses?
	Like, eight mouses, that's how many I think Moderna tested their new boosters on.
	They seem to think that's enough.
	What's a responsible number of mouses?
	I like eight.
	Eight mouses.
	Whee!
	Like a racetrack.
	Eight lovely mouses.
	The infinity sign.
	Oh no, they're all dead.
	What should we do?
	I don't know, make a vaccine?
	Oh no, it's too late!
	Ah!
	Once more, here's those awful Biden-like symptoms.
	Poor little things, really.
	turning completely white, rapid weight loss and fatigue.
	Researchers found significant amounts of the virus in the rodents' brains, lungs, noses, eyes and windpipes.
	Poor little things, really.
	By day six, the viral load had significantly decreased in the lungs, but the animals' brains had shrunk
	and there were exceptionally high virus levels in their brains.
	Do check Joe Biden.
	The results suggest the virus infects via the respiratory system and then migrates to the brain,
	unlike COVID, which causes lower lung infections and pneumonia in severe cases.
	However, there have been examples of COVID being found in brain tissue of severely sick patients.
	Severe brain infections during the later stages of infection may be the key cause of death in these mice, the researchers said.
	They concluded, this is the first report showing that a SARS-CoV-2 related pangolin coronavirus can cause 100% mortality in HACE2 mice, suggesting a risk for GXP2V to spill over into humans.
	I'm saying that, as if they've just won a decathlon.
	And this is the first time we've successfully killed every single one of the mouses in this lab.
	Except there was one occasion, wasn't there, where you knocked over the whole damn cage and killed a lot of them.
	Yes, that was a crazy day in the lab.
	Thankfully the windows were shut that day.
	However, the original strain of COVID also killed 100% in mice in some studies, meaning the new results may not be directly applicable to humans.
	Oh, carry on then, guys.
	Have fun, go at it.
	This madness must be stopped before it's too late.
	Mm, misinformation.
	But don't know, there's another person to shut down, ruining potential chance of profits and fun, let's face it, over at those labs in Beijing.
	It was revealed in 2022 how similar research virus manipulation research was being carried out by Boston University.
	Researchers were found to have created a new COVID strain that had an 80% death rate among mice.
	It sparked nationwide debate about whether the experiments were an illegal form of research, known as gain-of-function, which involves purposefully making viruses more deadly or infectious to study their evolution.
	Well, I think that debate can be concluded now.
	It was, wasn't it?
	That's exactly, literally, what it did.
	The Biden administration tightened the rules around such research in October 2022, but the definition of gain-of-function remains contested.
	Did you just do gain-of-function?
	No.
	What do you mean by gain-of-function?
	You know what I mean by gain-of-function.
	Did you get a pangolin, get a disease out of it, make it worse, give it to a humanized mouse?
	We did do that a little bit, but it was she's birthday.
	Oh, carry on then.
	Dr. Christina Park, a molecular biologist from the University of Michigan, said, the Chinese study was classic gain-of-function, whether they tell you it's or not.
	It's not classic, it's not even some variation, it's not some sort of riff.
	It's not some avant-garde new interpretation of it.
	It's classic, it's actual gain-of-function, like your mama used to make.
	Cornpot-style gain-of-function research, the proudest tradition.
	And every single one, have you noticed, of the scientists that's commented on this is like, well I don't think that's a good idea.
	None of them are going, oh, use edgy radicals.
	Stop doing it!
	One of the Chinese researchers was Dr. Yigang Tong, who trained at the Academy of Military Medical Sciences, a Chinese military medical research institute run by the People's Liberation Army.
	He also co-authored a paper in 2023 with Batwoman.
	Don't get excited.
	She hasn't got a motorbike shaped like a bat.
	She just experiments on bats in ways that are probably unhelpful.
	Zhengli Shi, who helps run the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
	Wait, so hang on a minute.
	So these people doing this research worked with the people at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, but you're worried that maybe the research here could escape like it did possibly at the Wuhan Institute of Virology?
	No, no, no, no, no.
	The only thing I will suggest is do make sure there are no wet markets anywhere near that lab in Beijing, because those bastards sell avia.
	Although if Dr. Tong needs a grant, I know Anthony Fauci's got a few quid that he's looking to spend these days.
	No questions asked.
	Or, more accurately, no questions answered.
	The WIV has been designated the most likely source of the COVID pandemic by the FBI and U.S.
	Department of Energy in what has been dubbed the Lab League Theory.
	Because it probably came out of a lab, that's why it's called that.
	Researchers there, with U.S.
	government grants, were performing gain-of-function experiments on coronaviruses in the months leading up to the COVID outbreak.
	So there you go.
	If 100% of mouses are dying of this new COVID-like virus, and there's connections between the labs where they're doing it and the Wuhan Institute of Virology that was likely the source and cause of the COVID-19 pandemic, doesn't it suggest that there should be a little bit of public discussion, even some public engagement, as to whether or not gain-of-function research regard?
	Hey, well you say gain-of-function research, we say potato.
	Do as however you want.
	It's clear that what you're doing is creating dangerous viruses in laboratories and they're not being entirely cautious as to whether or not they escape.
	And I'm frankly not in the mood for another pandemic just yet.
	But that's just what I think.
	Let me know what you think in the chat.
	See you in a second.
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