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Oct. 27, 2023 - Stay Free - Russel Brand
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Neil Oliver - Is Trump the answer to avoiding WW3?

TODAY - Is Trump the answer to avoiding WW3? Biden's vaccine rhetoric contradicts what he said in 2020, Hillary gets into a shouting match with an anti-war advocate and our guest Neil Oliver on finding humanity in existential crises.Support this channel directly here: https://rb.rumble.com/Follow Neil Oliver on X: https://twitter.com/thecoastguy Follow on social media:X: @rustyrocketsINSTAGRAM: @russellbrandFACEBOOK: @russellbrand

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Hello there, you Awakening Wonders.
Thanks for joining me for Stay Free with Russell Brand today.
We've got an amazing show.
Firstly, we've got a wonderful German Shepherd in the building.
That's always enjoyable.
We've got an amazing guest coming up.
Neil Oliver is going to be joining us.
Do you know Neil Oliver?
Let me know in the chat.
Do you know him, guys, in the locals chat?
Do you know him in the Rumble chat?
You're aware of him?
We've got a fantastic take on the legacy media's ongoing advocacy for war Where continually they platform people, pundits I suppose you'd say, with military industrial complex ties without mentioning them.
You're gonna love this, right?
They bring people out and go, this person used to work for the Obama administration, he's a diplomat and an expert on bringing about peace.
Then with investigation you discover they've got ties to Boeing or Raytheon or Lockheed Martin.
In short, the legacy media are showcasing People with MIC, Military Industrial Complex ties, and you're presenting them as experts.
No wonder war is escalating when you take the opinions of people that benefit from war and present it as news.
What is the function of the legacy media?
Let me know in the chat right now.
If you think it's to convey information, press 1.
If you think it's to amplify the intentions of the establishment, press 2.
Let's see them.
And I see you lot in the old rumble chat.
Let's see a little bit more love in there between one another.
We want diversity of opinion.
We want free speech.
But this is where you can show one another that it's possible to communicate lovingly.
If you fancy a little more love, jump over to that locals chat.
Lots of peace, lots of glory.
For the first 15 minutes, we're going to be on YouTube, OK?
But then, and this, by the way, is water, not vodka.
Just to clarify, Highland Springs are not running freely with vodka.
Unless Putin is pushing his agenda even that far by making the Highlands themselves full of extremely powerful, I would say, ethanol laden drinks.
Many of you are pressing too.
You recognise that it's all about propaganda.
And if you want to know how propaganda works, have a look at the way that news is reported versus the events themselves.
You'll love this.
MSNBC have been reporting on a Trump slip-up.
Did you see this speech?
There was a fantastic speech that Trump did, beautiful speech, beautiful speech, where he accidentally said that Viktor Orban was the leader of Turkey instead of Hungary.
Of course it's Erdogan, isn't it, is the leader of Turkey.
Now MSNBC fall upon this Ravenous and hungry.
They show their hands with stories like this.
They show their hands.
They even in it go, do you see?
Oh, they would have gone crazy if Biden had done this.
What they don't show is that just a few seconds later, Trump corrects himself.
Sorry, I mean, he's actually, it's hungry, not turkey.
They don't mention that.
So in a sense, you can watch propaganda in real time.
And in a minute, we'll be showing you some of Biden's ongoing extraordinary gaffes, like a handshake that lasts forever.
And you'll love this as well.
Hillary Clinton and Barrackin live.
It's extraordinary to see Hillary again.
I ain't watched all of it yet, but if you want to watch it, let me know, because we've got a whole host, a wide and maddening variety of options.
We'll start, though, by showing you MSNBC reporting on Trump.
We're at 5,000 at the moment on the Rumble stream.
If we get to 20,000, you can choose what you want to see marched out here.
Do you want to see Gareth Roy as usual?
Or do you want to see... I mean, you've seen a dog.
I don't know what else we can drag out here for you.
I don't know who we can present to you people.
Let's have a look at the Trump slip-up, but then let's see how it's reported on.
It's brilliant.
You'll love this.
Victor Orban.
Did anyone ever hear of him?
He's probably, like, one of the strongest leaders anywhere in the world.
He's the leader of, right?
He's the leader of Turkey.
OK.
Right, so that's the mistake he's made.
But look at this.
Look at the joy of this.
Look at what's behind it.
The legacy media yet pretend that what they're doing is conveying information.
But what they're doing, as you know, because you all press too, they're amplifying propaganda, right?
Except he isn't.
He's a bit hungry.
Oh, God.
Oh, no.
It's a different country.
Oh, I'm so exhausted.
It's almost as if that mistake is worse than a democracy that's way off track being run by a near-cadaver.
If we hadn't had a new tsunami today, I might have lived with that.
That was Donald Trump today praising Viktor Orban, the authoritarian leader of Hungary, not Turkey.
Of course, when you pal around with the world's autocrats, it's easy to mix them up, I guess.
Sometimes I think when they criticise Trump's personality, it's a kind of envy.
He's got a sort of ease, conviviality, congeniality, humour and wit that they envy.
They try and be funny, they try and be jingoistic, they try and be bombastic, but they just don't do it as well.
Now I've been on this show, do you remember that?
When I was on that show Morning Joe?
Look at the piety, the judgment.
Look at how they even say, oh, if Biden did this, they'd be falling upon it, while they themselves never report.
Like, will they later on on MSNBC cover the moment where Joe Biden does a 20 minute handshake with a scientist that looks like he's about to push her over the edge?
Hold on, of course.
Maybe he's never even visited Turkey.
I don't know.
Maybe the leader of Hungary has visited.
And if that were Joe Biden, they'd be running wall-to-wall on certain networks with medical experts describing what was happening here and why he needed help and why he should probably step off the stage.
Right?
Do you see?
They're actually sort of meta-commenting on what they themselves do.
And with the first newscaster, when she talks about autocrats, you know that Joe Biden has personally enabled the sale of weapons to 57% of the world's autocracies.
Does that make sense to you?
You know, when Trump was doing arms deals with Saudi Arabia, Biden said he would make Saudi Arabia a pariah, and yet they sell more arms than Trump sold to Saudi Arabia.
So, actually, when it comes to it, they can't criticise Trump on policy because, hey, what about the wall?
They're building that wall anyway.
It's extraordinary.
It's extraordinary.
Let's have a look at what actually happened in that Trump speech.
You'll be astonished.
And remember, are you familiar with Neil Oliver?
He's coming on the show.
He's a fantastic British commentator, Scottish specifically, I think you're going to enjoy seeing him.
If you have questions for Neil, post them in the chat right now.
Let's have a look at Trump's speech and what they don't report on the legacy media.
We're trying to, as best as we can, give you some kind of balance so we can come together.
Because believe you me, unless we find ways of unifying, unless we find ways of being diverse but unified, decentralized but unified, they've already won.
I'm telling you, they've already won.
He is the leader of Right?
He's the leader of Turkey.
Fronts on both Russia.
Fronts on both Russia.
Yeah, you can sit down.
We'll be here for a little while.
We got plenty of time, what the hell.
I'm very honored that you're all standing, but sit down.
They'll be standing in a couple of minutes as soon as we say some of the things they like, because they're waiting.
They're waiting for that.
But Viktor Orban, and he's the head of Hungary, and he runs a tough, let me tell you, he runs it proper.
Trump's corrected it.
No big deal.
Can't put that on the news.
He runs it strong with crime and everything else.
He runs it strong and he doesn't let terrorists into his country.
They said, what do you recommend for Joe Biden if you could tell him anything?
I tell him to resign and let Trump become president because nobody ran Let me know, are the liberal mainstream media hypocritical when it comes to their coverage of Trump?
And what does this story tell you?
Just a simple Y or N in the chat over on Rumble.
Let me know.
The most relevant part of the speech wasn't covered.
This is talking about Trump's personality in relationship to war and Hillary Clinton's claim that Trump's personality in and of itself was a creator of conflict.
A little bit later, we'll show you Hillary Clinton In an extraordinary showdown with a heckler.
You're gonna love that.
Let me know if you want to see it.
Yeah, the yeses are coming thick and fast.
Let's have a look at Trump saying that his personality is like a balm.
It's like a dove from the Lord.
It's an olive branch.
Look at what we did.
We defeated ISIS.
Remember when Hillary Clinton... I don't call her crooked anymore.
I've given that term over to bad guy.
I call her beautiful Hillary.
She's a beautiful woman.
Beautiful, Hillary.
Remember when she was... He'll cause a war with his personality.
No, my personality kept us out of war.
We didn't have any wars.
I was the first one in, I think they say 76 years.
Now with this Omnicrisis escalating the potential for Iran to become involved in the conflict with yet more funding going to Ukraine, perpetuating the war with Russia, with escalating tensions with China, whose personality is better suited to bringing about peace?
Do you think it's Trump or do you think it's this guy?
Now to give Joe Biden his credit, he certainly shake hands well, but It may be a little bit too long.
Tell me if you think he overdoes it with his handshake and tell me, like, I want you to say now at the point where you think he should have let go of the hand.
Let's have a look at this.
I think he's given an award to a scientist, a neurologist, I think.
Have a look at this.
The National Medal of Science is being presented to Huda Akil.
That's long enough.
Already now, this is we're in excess handshake territory.
Of the University of Michigan, for pioneering contributions to our understanding of the brain biology of emotions.
Her seminal discoveries of the molecular neural... Bet she's making some molecular neural discoveries right now.
Will you please let go of my hand?
Follow the science!
Lotty are saying now!
Now!
He should have let go by now!
Join us over on Rumble.
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Press the red button if you want to become an AwakendWonder and support our work so that we can continue to develop and grow this movement.
Here on Stay Free, we point out the problem.
There, with the AwakendWonder community and locals, we are moving towards solutions.
Joe Biden, on stage, is still shaking hands!
For treatments, strengthening our nation's public health, including the fight to end the opioid epidemic.
And this is where we've now entered an extraordinary time, I believe, where everything has become politicised.
We got some fantastic reporting for you on excess deaths, which I can't talk about while we're still on YouTube.
Some revelatory stuff that if you were someone that was sceptical around the pandemic and the way that it was being handled, you are going to be verified.
You are going to be given the data you require to seal this conversation once And for all.
But I feel that Covid and vaccines were politicised from the beginning.
Do you think that it was science that determined the behaviour during lockdown and the policy during lockdown?
Press S if you do.
Or was it politics?
Press P if you think that it was politics.
Have a look at this from our man Biden, claiming that it was science.
No, starting on day one, in the middle of the pandemic, we vaccinated a nation The greatest operational effort ever undertaken by this country.
Operational.
And we did it with a strategy based on science, not on politics.
Yeah, politics.
It was highly political in the end, wasn't it?
I feel that people were getting boosters for political reasons.
I'm still on YouTube, so let's be careful.
People were wearing masks for political reasons because the science tells a very different story.
Whether it's natural immunity, whether it's the lack of clinical trials on transplants, I've just got to be careful because we're on YouTube.
I can't say everything I want to say on this platform.
It's simply not possible.
But Let's just to show you a little bit of contrast before we move on to some of the Hillary Clinton stuff.
Let's just remind ourselves how Kamala Harris and Joe Biden talked about the vaccine prior to their administration commencing.
If the Trump administration approves a vaccine before or after the election, should Americans take it and would you take it?
If Donald Trump tells us that we should take it, I'm not taking it.
The people of this country don't trust this federal government.
With this vaccine process?
I trust vaccines.
I trust scientists.
But I don't trust Donald Trump.
The WHO are on the very precipice of being able to impose a global treaty that will mean your country, if it's a member of the WHO, will have to give 5% of its health budget to the WHO And that your country will have to obey their legislation when it comes to masks, lockdowns, vaccines in the event, and some would say the inevitable event, of another pandemic.
Here is the WHO Director General complaining that the spread of misinformation undermines faith in our institutions.
But what's really undermining the faith in institutions?
Is it misinformation or is it corruption?
Press M if it's misinformation.
Press C if it's corruption.
We saw a lack of coordination between nations and between health actors and the politicization of science and the undermining of faith in our institutions from the spread of misinformation.
Whether it's in the Rumble chat right now or in the Awakened Wonder Locals chat, there's naught but the letter C raining down endlessly.
What vitamin you need, though, is vitamin D, not C, although, you know, that would perhaps be a little too scientific for the WHO.
How are you feeling about this WHO treaty?
Do you want to grant more power to Unelected globalist bodies, yes or no?
You know where the WHO gets their funding.
Press Y if you think that the WHO should plan, oh excuse me, I don't know why the word plan came out of my mouth, in the next pandemic, should be able to impose their legislation.
Yes or no?
Just a Y or an N is all that's required.
A proposal for negotiating text for a pandemic treaty is progressing.
The proposal was circulated to World Health Organization member states on Monday, October the 16th.
The text is publicly available from October the 30th.
Have a little look, because sometimes I was told they just move one little word, like you should not be able to impose vaccine mandates.
You Should be able to impose this.
Only small changes but with pretty significant implications.
In the UK there's a petition.
We should post that petition so that it is at least negotiated in Parliament.
No one will turn up for it.
Let me know in your country, wherever you are in North America, is there any resistance to this treaty?
Anything been learned from the last few years?
Now, before we have a look at Hillary Clinton at Columbia University dealing with a protester on the basis of Biden's $100 billion military funding bundle, which is exacerbating, I would argue, death and destruction on an unprecedented scale, let me know what you want to see when we come off YouTube.
The skyrocketing demand for panic rooms.
It's an interesting story.
Everybody's in a state of total panic and people want panic rooms and safe rooms and stuff like that.
Or would you like to see Dr. Drew discussing myocarditis?
First, one for panic rooms, two for Dr. Drew.
Let me know as well.
How do you feel about this Hillary Clinton showing match?
We just started to watch this and let me know too if you want to see, I'm wondering whether we should go straight to Neil Oliver or whether or not we should show our here's the news.
But I'll ask you that in a little second.
I just want to make sure you guys are in absolute control of what we're doing.
I would say the Institute of Global Politics, even as a name, tells you a little too much
about what's happening.
What you want is regionalised, decentralised politics, federalism, maximum amount of democracy, not an elite establishment march, decentralising power and introducing authoritarianism wherever possible by introducing crisis wherever possible so people are in a total state of fear and dread and unable to think straight.
I'm not sorry. You sit down and we're gonna let other people talk.
I'm gonna turn now to Frank Magesha.
Frank Magesha is It's funny, that portrait on the wall just like, "This isn't
why we built this place."
A leading civil rights organizer This is a clearly warmongering speech.
President Joe Biden is calling for $100 billion of funding for Israel, Taiwan, and Ukraine, and we're supposed to just bundle these together and pretend like we're going to rush to World War III, and we're all just going to let Hillary Rodham Clinton sit here.
Okay.
I'm sorry.
You know, this is not the way to have a conversation.
If you want to have a conversation, you're welcome to come talk to me afterwards.
You can sit here.
Okay, right.
You're going to wait for me, right?
I will wait for you, and I will listen to you, and I will respond to you.
I do not believe you.
Respectfully, I do not believe you.
And the fact of the matter is that the American people's voice are what need to be heard.
Yeah, they are being heard.
Because our president is not speaking for the American people and neither are you.
Well, that's your opinion.
That's your opinion.
Yes, that's my opinion.
P for protester, H for Hillary in the chat.
And do you remember being given a vote on how to escalate and fund the military-industrial complex and their clear agenda?
P if you were a protester, H if you were Hillary.
There is so much pee in the chat that the Democrats will tell you that it's raining down on Donald Trump from a Russian sex worker and try and create a hoax out of it!
You are disrupting everybody else's opportunity to speak.
This is free speech, everyone.
This is free speech.
That is not free speech.
This is people constructing narratives that are openly hypocritical.
I'm sorry.
The incredible hypocrisy.
John Foster Dulles went with Eleanor Roosevelt to bring this Declaration of the Rights of Man.
John Foster Dulles was involved with the CIA.
He's getting excited now!
Operation Paperclip!
The Mockingbird!
Oh man, you've known about the UFOs for ages!
Pizzagate!
You're brilliant in your historical cherry picking!
The Pinochet regime!
cherry picking Hillary, uh, steel dossier.
Please, could you please inform me about the United States?
I'm saying we are going to, we're going to move on to, to Frank Nogesha,
who's actually on the front lines fighting for human rights, not just yelling about it.
So Frank, I want to turn to you because...
And if you're not just turning to Frank at a time like this...
A lot of people in the rumble chat concerned for that young man.
But like, yeah, I think, do, I would say, make a video right now saying, I'm in good mental health.
I feel pretty optimistic about the future.
Sadly, that young man was found in... You can finish that sentence, guys.
You are from Uganda and Uganda's 2023... Did she just say, you are Uganda?
Wow.
I must visit Uganda this year.
Well, I'm here.
It's really amazing because there's a much more immediate problem than LGBTQ plus problems in Uganda.
Why are you funding these wars?
Where's our democracy, man?
Never mind all that.
Let's get back to what's going on in Uganda.
To World War 3!
Do you understand?
It's not about Israel and Palestine!
It's not football!
This isn't football!
It's not Team America!
Well, I'm sorry, but some of us are on Team America despite our flaws and our problems.
Yes, that's me!
Oh no, you're not getting away with that!
Team America, though some of us do like actually America as a matter of fact and our ability to have ongoing bombing raids over... And some of us, every person on this stage... You have to stop right now.
Will you please just let us discuss Uganda?
Every person on this stage has risked their life, their income, their reputation.
Will you please just let us discuss Uganda?
I mean, Uganda is an interesting nation, but plainly, this is not the way the conversation's going.
Their careers and what...
What have you done other than stand up and give blood?
I will point my weapon at these women's weapons.
What was she saying there?
What have you done?
What have you done?
Stand up and voice your...
How dare you do free speech at Hillary!
Get into your basket of deplorables and do what you're told!
This is liberalism!
This is what liberalism... Put this mask on!
You are at risk!
You're not two meters apart!
Here, this will make you feel better!
Extraordinary stuff.
OK, listen, you lot want to see the myocarditis clip.
Of course you want to see the myocarditis clip.
We're going to have to leave YouTube to do that.
And straight after that, we're going to talk to our dear, beloved friend, Neil Oliver, who's a fantastic pundit, truth teller.
He's got some fantastic perspectives that you are going to want to hear.
So if you're watching this on YouTube right now, there's a link In fact, that young man, we should find that guy because he would love this video and I don't think he'll be shouting throughout here because I agree.
Yes, exactly!
Exactly!
to Neil Oliver, we're going to talk about the use of pundits with ties to military industrial
complex companies that ain't declared as they advocate for ongoing expenditure on war.
In fact, that young man, we should find that guy because he would love this video and I
don't think he'll be shouting throughout here, "I agree, yes, exactly, Team America!"
Hillary on the other hand, I don't think she'd be a fan.
Okay, so Joy, if you're on YouTube, ta-ta for now.
See you in a minute, and we're gonna look at Dr. Drew.
Let us know, are we off YouTube now?
We're gone, guys, see you later, YouTube.
We have to wait a while, because if I accidentally say something that WHO wouldn't like, we get in a lot of trouble, so get over here right now.
We're gonna talk about Dr. Drew, discussing recent American Heart Association journal reports, 50% of young men with myocarditis after jab had permanent, Can I say it yet?
Are we off YouTube?
Still can't say it.
Still can't say it.
Clear!
Heart damage!
Bloody Maya can't die!
It's them Japs called Maya can't die!
Why can't we say this?
Why are we not free to tell the truth?
Become an awakened wonder.
Join us.
It's enough commenting on the problems.
You can see what the problem is.
And the problem is that we're waging war around the world.
We're waging war against one another when if we were smart, Just for a second!
We would recognize we have more in common with one another than we do with the establishment elites that pull the strings, guide, govern, and control us.
Okay, guys.
Okay, let's have a look at Dr. Drew on myocarditis, which apparently is a side effect of a certain little very popular injection that had a good PR campaign not long ago.
They saved lives in the Middle East and in this country safe rooms are now becoming popular.
Never mind safe rooms.
You're not getting no safe rooms.
Democracy works.
There must have been some faulty voting machines on this end, let me tell you.
Let's have a look at Dr. Drew. It's more common than we thought. People are like, "Well, it's mild. It's mild. It's
no big deal. It's self-limited."
Look, in my world, throughout my entire career, 40-year career, myocarditis is a medical emergency.
It's a dire problem. A publication just came out five days ago in Circulation, a major cardiac cardiology journal.
An excellent study and it showed it took my breath away. I didn't know why it wasn't headline news.
It's a large study and it showed that... Well no, it's not headline news, it's censored.
About approximately half of the young males that got myocarditis had permanent heart damage.
Yep.
Permanent.
That means that we don't know what percentage are going to be disabled by this as they get older, are going to develop heart failure, or are going to need cardiac transplants, some of them.
Oh my god.
Breathtaking, this study, and why it wasn't a big headline.
I've sort of centered around a little bit because I don't understand why people aren't reacting to it.
So in a 27-year-old male, the illness is a nothing.
So the vaccine is all risk.
Why the push?
Why are we pushing?
And I think, put your legal head on for a second, that universities are going to be in big trouble for having mandated young people to get that vaccine.
Because people are going to get sick and they're going to have long-term consequences and they should sue those schools for having forced them to take a medical intervention.
There you go, just another aspect of this unfolding drama that seems to lead more and more to censorship and centralized control.
Hey guys, let's do a post right now on X and let people there know that Neil Oliver from GB News is about to join us.
And the first question I want to ask Neil is this.
Is the crisis that we're confronting so big that we can't even face it?
Is that what's happening?
Let them know on X. Give them a still of the two of us together.
And those of you that are watching us now in Rumble or in our locals community, please welcome from GB News, my new friend and potential sort of doppelganger cousin in a pastoral wonderland, Neil Oliver.
Thanks for joining us, Neil.
Uh, the audio in here, I can't hear Neil.
I don't know if you're muted, mate, but I can't hear you in here.
There we go.
Can you hear me now?
I can, but I can also do your side of the conversation.
Oh, hello.
Yeah, well, what it is, Russell, as we're at a point of crisis.
You've got a lovely little in Scottish accent.
Neil, mate, can you tell us, why do you think people are unable to appropriately respond to what seems to be a kind of omnicrisis, an all immersive, total surrounding Nightmare.
Why are people not able to face it?
What is it, Neil?
I think, in essence, it's too big for a lot of people to contemplate.
I think to embrace the scale of the problem involves people being prepared to set aside the way they've perceived the world, the way they've understood the relationship with the state, the way they've understood the role of science and the obligations that the institutions have towards us, that symbiotic relationship that's supposed to be there.
And because it's too much, many, many people who have a great deal of a sense of self invested in, you know, that they believe that they understand, they believe they've read enough, they believe they're in control of the facts and the data, and to contemplate that they might have had it wrong, that they might have been duped, fooled, tricked.
is too much and you know there's there are well there's historical not exactly historical precedent but when it came to uh when the when the ships of the of europe were encountering the new world and it's partly apocryphal but the story goes that when say columbus's ships appeared in the americas or when captain cook's endeavor arrived in australia there were there are various stories that circulate that the the indigenous people didn't even look up At the arrival of these enormous ships.
Now, it all comes really from a diary entry by Joseph Banks, probably Cook's botanist.
But nonetheless, the idea that's pushed is that it was too much for them to take on, and so they simply pretended that the ships weren't there.
Now, apocryphal or not, I think it's illustrative Of the idea that sometimes something is too big for people to be willing to comprehend it.
And I think perhaps counter to the way you might think, it's the cleverest people, the people who consider themselves the most educated and the most experienced and the wisest, that struggle to allow for the possibility that they might have to rethink their understanding of society, even of reality.
Yes, it's an incredible invitation and a terrifying one to have a personal awakening induced of that scale, Neil.
And I love your use of that, albeit potentially apocryphal tale, that what's appearing on the horizon of our life is so inconceivably large, so extraordinary and represents such a disruption.
Now, unless you're a sort of a cynical and sceptical person, and I know many of our awakened wonders and many of our friends in the Rumble Chat are, You know, my default position towards authority, Neil, is I don't trust authority.
That meant that, for a while, I was considered sort of a left-wing person, because I don't trust authority and my natural alliances used to be on the left.
It seems now that a lot of people think I'm a conspiracy theorist or a right-wing, but really, my position hasn't changed.
I don't trust authority.
Now, I had a conversation with Jordan Peterson the other day, which will be available on Locals in a couple of days, actually, and you'll love it.
And I talked about, you know, this is obviously a very well-worn idea, Um, the idea that in a secular or post-religious order, the role of God or the organizing principle is taken by the state.
So to sort of disavow the state becomes a kind of heresy.
Earlier we showed a clip where we talked about the politicization of COVID, wearing masks, being a badge of honor, getting booster shots, all Almost like some kind of pharmaceutical communion, like some ongoing doubling down on your allegiance to a particular ideology.
Do you think that part of the reason people can't have a real reckoning around the pandemic era and what it has revealed, authoritarianism, a desire for surveillance, a tendency towards censorship, a plain Do you think it's because a kind of religious sense has been grafted onto the public political consciousness, Neil?
Yeah, I do.
I think experience of looking back at the last few hundred years seems to suggest that in doing away with God, in doing away with religiosity and ridiculing and setting aside faith in the West, has not been helpful.
And I think it's demonstrable by the fact that Into the space left behind by religion is pulled some other zombie, parasitic replacement for faith in the transcendent.
You know, I think it's undeniable that many people, perhaps most people, have a sense of the transcendent, however they might express it.
You know, the thirst that from the soul doth rise, doth ask a drink divine, said the poet.
And where true religion is taken away, something else takes its place.
And I think we saw during the Covid debacle, I think we saw a religiosity around the way all of it was pushed.
And so you had a dress code, you had people having to wear face masks because that was part of the appearance that enabled people to demonstrate that they were good people.
I am wearing a mask because I am one of the good guys.
When it came to the products that were pushed as vaccines, it was almost like taking communion.
It was like an ersatz, Eucharist, where people didn't just take the vaccine, they wanted to be seen to take those products.
And so they were posting pictures of themselves receiving the injection and showing their vaccination cards and all of the rest of it.
There were good scientists and bad scientists, which is a replacement for the priests and the heretics, But there was undoubtedly a religiosity about it, and I think it demonstrated that in the absence of faith, in the absence of religion, something else, something less worthy and something ultimately less helpful gets pulled into the void.
It seems to me at least significant that one component of it is an ongoing demonstration of allegiance.
I've noted with interest this rising fear in our culture.
Fear, anger, desire, primal emotions, a tendency to throw onto the other the kind of shadow qualities of every individual.
It's extraordinary to see a kind of what seems to be a sort of a scent of evil.
It appears too that the kind of comfortable idea that our culture, the sort of we of the West, are the good guys, seems to be under question.
Neil, I understand that, you know, that you and I share an opinion that potentially even history itself has been mistold.
Even recent events, This might seem a little highfalutin and even a little fudge, but because of the potential that at the end of the Second World War significant numbers of Nazi scientists took roles within NASA, for example, is it possible that somehow there is a kind of a ghost of evil, transcendent of nation, moving from territory to territory?
I mean, is this what globalism really is?
Corporate elites Alliances that transcend either religion, corporate affiliation, national affiliation, and other examples of that through history are kind of... I don't want to get into the realm of conspiracy theory, certainly not on the basis of anything other than economic interests and interests of dominion, but do you feel that that's a possibility?
That we are no longer on the side of righteousness, potentially because we're being marshaled by forces that are I have over the last few years begun to open myself up to the possibility that
Well, as you say, since perhaps the end of the Second World War.
I think if we were, if the West were the good guys, I've begun to question whether or not we still are.
And I think possibly our goodness began to wane in the years following the end of the Second World War.
I think to some extent it might have been because it was an open goal.
You know, America in particular, but the West, had an opportunity to be predominant.
And I think there was a temptation that came with that to exploit opportunities to make money.
I think the rest of the 20th century and the prosecution of one war after another,
I think when I look at it now, I contemplate the possibility that it was increasingly
because it was the opportunity for profit that was driving a lot of that.
We talk all the time about the military-industrial complex.
I think that's been driving it.
I've even begun to wonder at the extent to which we're told the truth about exactly who won the war and how.
You know, you talk about Operation Paperclip when the Americans uplifted a lot of Nazi scientists and transplanted them into the United States, and a lot of those people took up positions of influence in esteemed universities and other places of influence.
I'm minded of that, you know, the line from The Usual Suspects, the thing about, you know, the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was persuading the world he didn't exist.
I do wonder at the extent to which some of the evil that was there in the 30s and the 40s just managed to disappear out of sight without actually being expunged or cleared away once and for all.
I think to some extent it has been there ever since.
But it's part of that Coming to terms with the possibility that you might have to re-engineer your understanding of the world around you is to contemplate that, you know, perhaps that notion that the West, the United States, are and have always been the good guys.
I think that's definitely under question now and it's very uncomfortable.
I share the discomfort in having to go through that and once again I say I think that's why so many people won't even begin to take one step onto that kind of staircase of disbelief and begin to contemplate the possibility that the way they've understood and perceived the world might need a radical rethink.
Yeah, because that staircase of disbelief, I wonder if it's an ascendancy like Ezekiel or a descent like the dude with the harp, you know, who goes Orpheus.
You know, because what I feel, Neil, is that in a way we have to start considering a completely different understanding of reality.
Seems that individualism Rationalism, materialism, progressivism.
And I don't actually just mean cultural progressivism in terms of different forms of identity.
I mean the idea that there is a teleology for humanity.
That we are wealthier than our grandparents and you've got this new gadgetry.
It seems to me that something is being obscured from us.
Is it God?
Is it Atlantis?
Is there a kind of lost history?
Some hidden mystery that might yet unify us?
Is it as simple as the fact that we've become detached from our anthropological conditions as creatures that might live harmonised in localised tribes rather than gathered together corralled in herds of 30 million, 300 million, 60 million with a centralised Dictatorial authoritarian government dispatching medicines and fake news and keeping us dumb and sugared up and screen-fed and fat.
You know, do you feel sometimes that there needs to be a philosophical shift that's difficult, obviously, to contemplate from within the limited position we now find ourselves?
Because this ascent or descent that you're referring to He said, you know, how do we, you know, how does the unenlightened mind become enlightened, Neil?
How?
I think, to some extent, I think part of the problem is that as a species, I think we are forgetful and I think we have a tendency to a kind of, you know, cultural Alzheimer's.
I don't think our collective memory goes back very far, you know, maybe just a few generations.
And beyond that, we're dependent upon the history books or the accounts of history.
And, you know, the whole, all the caveats about history being written by the victors always applies there.
And so I think we're a forgetful species.
You know, Henri Bergson, the philosopher, said it's the function of the brain to enable us not to remember, but to forget.
I think we are always in the process as individuals and collectively of forgetting what actually happened.
And so I think we need periodically to be reminded or to remind each other of what really matters and when you look back through history you can see you can note the appearance time and time again of particularly bright lights who sought one way or another to say the same thing you know and I'm talking here about people like Jesus Christ or about the Buddha or even about even about someone like Mahatma Gandhi who tended to stress the importance the inviolability of the individual
And that ultimately everything comes back to us having faith in ourselves as individuals.
And part of that is being prepared to take responsibility for what we each can do and the change that we can each affect.
As thinking, considerate, compassionate individuals.
And you see society reminding itself of that over and over again.
You know, in 1215, when Magna Carta was written in England, it wasn't actually coming up with anything new.
On the contrary, it was restating Ideas and truths that had come from a time immemorial, and it centred on the importance of the individual.
And that's why it restated the idea that every man from the king down to the to the lowliest commoner was entitled to trial by jury, because a trial by a jury of your peers was regarded as being the way in which the guilt or innocence of an individual.
That wasn't the only thing being tested.
It was the justice of the law itself.
And it's why what was enshrined in trial by jury in Magna Carta was that it ultimately came down to the individual.
So that rather than majority verdicts in the original juries, if you had someone being tried and let's say 11 of the 12 said guilty, but one man, one person said not guilty, then the judgment of that jury was not guilty.
So that it enshrined in the importance of trial by jury that ultimately it was the it was the conscience of the individual that carried the weight.
Now, that's a fundamentally important concept.
You see it again in 1776 in the Declaration of Independence in the United States.
It's careful, the founding fathers were careful once again to remind themselves and the society they were trying to build that it's not about the majority necessarily.
Ultimately, it's about the individual conscience.
It's the thinking individual that makes all the difference.
That's why there is a danger, actually, in allowing always for a majority verdict or waiting for a democratic decision, as we've been tricked as a population into a consensus of false belief that the majority is always right.
Because if the last three years have shown us anything at all, it's that on the contrary, it's often, possibly always, a minority, a determined, honest, passionate minority that is actually able to stand in the face of the majority and say, this is wrong.
There is a better way.
There's an alternative way.
And it's minorities and indeed, ultimately, the individuals down through history that have made the difference.
that have changed the course of society and civilization.
And we need periodically to be reminded of that and to remind each other of that
because we are a forgetful species.
Neil, that's such a beautiful appraisal of the role of the individual
and the potential of the individual that seems both arcane and progressive simultaneously,
a kind of principle that we might organize around.
And I think you're right that the assumption that the majority by virtue of the cargo carried in the
mass are correct is again and again demonstrated to be untrue
in your example of the last three years.
It is indeed a good one.
Sometimes I think, I love Jesus Christ, but I sometimes think it is the utility of Christianity that allowed its ascendancy, particularly, you know, in a post-Constantine sense when it became the religion of the state, shall we say, of the Empire.
And perhaps a comparable thing might be true of democracy.
That whilst in a sense, when organizing a small community, what principles are available to you?
Benign dictatorship, wise elders, elders that are in a position of service
that lead through sacrifice and selflessness.
That can of course take place in a decentralized and localized model that would certainly be more in tune
with how we live for tens of thousands of years and wow, perhaps a hell of a lot longer
if some commentators and let's say radical historians is to be believed.
And when it comes to democracy, as with Christianity, I wonder if it somehow serves as an edifice behind which corruption can operate, i.e.
what kind of democracy can you have in a centralised nation of 300 million people?
As we've seen in the last few election cycles in America, you've just got 50% or just under of the population agitated and infuriated.
It seems like the process of centralisation itself, which is of course entirely at odds and absolutely opposite to the power of the individual, is a big part of the problem.
I wonder if you consider, Neil, that democracy is anything but democratic.
It's a kind of I say again, the powers that be have managed to generate a consensus of false belief.
We think we understand what democracy is, but it's been reduced to us believing that it's a vote, a single vote, every four or five years.
And that is actually, it's almost the antithesis of democracy.
And I say again, it comes back to acknowledging and respecting the power of the individual, the one in the face of the many.
You know, this idea that the majority has to be believed and that the majority has to get its way every time can also be quite pernicious.
And that's why, you know, I think it is worth repeating that, you know, the idea for many people, the idea of trial by jury, it sounds quite Esoteric or a side issue in a way because of the way we've been taught to think of jury trial.
The fact remains that 90 odd percent of jury trials now are by magistrates court.
They're not about trial by jury.
And even where they are, a majority verdict now is taken as being the decision of the jury.
But in its original It was always deferring to the individual.
So as I say, one against eleven would still have been the vote that carried for that jury.
And it's because it emphasises and stresses that ultimately it's individual conscience that makes all of the difference.
When you talk about the way in which Christianity and it becoming an edifice behind which corruption might hide, I would say that sadly, for hundreds of years, I think, Christ's Christianity has been negated and traduced in many ways.
I think what is often offered up as Christianity now would not really be what Jesus Christ meant when he preached, say, the Sermon on the Mount.
How much of that do we actually see around us right now?
You know, when so much of what we're hearing coming out of when people are commenting on the Middle East is about the justification for vengeance, an escalation of the violence, you know, a prioritising of one group's children over another.
You know, how much of that sits comfortably, you know, with the kind of language that's there enshrined in the Sermon on the Mount, you know, about, you know, blessed are the merciful for they shall receive mercy and blessed are the peacekeepers, you know, and blessed are those who stand up for righteousness for righteousness' sake.
You know, you're not really seeing a lot of that enacted around us at the moment, and it's greatly to our loss.
You know, I think a lot of people out there who are supposed faith leaders for the Christian faith, the best thing they could do would be to convert to Christianity, you know, and actually begin to think again about what Christianity actually means.
But yes, I think the most important thing I would say is that people feel powerless, and understandably so, but the way in which you can begin to turn that back or push back against that feeling of hopelessness is to respect and remember the power that each of us has as individuals, and that it comes with a great deal of personal responsibility.
And as well as a lot of people maybe not wanting to contemplate the enormity of the problem that we face, turning their backs on it rather than confront it, I think a lot of people also prefer not to contemplate the responsibility of being grown up Independent individuals who take responsibility for their actions.
That's curious that you equate that to a kind of infantilisation, that an unwillingness to take that first step onto the staircase, an inability to see the galleon of corruption on the horizon, might be because we have Had our personal autonomy reduced to the degree where we are treated like, and to a degree even feel like, children?
The amount of parentalism that you might note in what passes as neoliberal democratic discourse these days, I'm referring to some of the clips we watched earlier of Hillary Clinton being confronted by a protester who was saying, you know, like, you're advocating for escalating war and violence and ultimately death, and the kind of Haughty, supercilious, condemnatory tones that are deployed reveal that the role of the populace, the populare, is now not a participant in an awakened community in which your value as an individual and your contribution to the community and your responsibility are all activated values.
No, far from it.
You are essentially a consumer I envisage sometimes, Neil, a kind of like a sort of a tube of glucose going up one nostril, a kind of a drip filled with Pfizer's latest product going into the arm.
You know, like, what is our function?
Are we, you know, they say you are what you eat and we eat Monocrops in mass fields grown on mass.
We eat mass slaughtered animals.
Have we become like lambs to the slaughter, Neil?
Unable to take the kind of individual responsibility that's clearly required.
There's a really good book that I refer to all the time.
It's Eric Hoffer's True Believer, written in the 1950s.
He had a hard physical life, Eric Hoffer, before he became a writer.
He'd been around the block and he'd seen some stuff.
He pointed out that, in truth, freedom is more than a lot of people actually want.
In reality, what a lot of people want, even if the thought wouldn't necessarily crystallise as clearly, and they might not say it out loud even if it did, is that what they want is freedom from freedom.
That many, many people are happier in reality being told what to do.
You know, you talk about an infantilising and conversely there's a desire to look to a leader and to look to someone, something paternal or maternal, to take away that personal responsibility and just tell you what to do.
A lot of people have an instinct to be led.
And they really just want freedom from freedom, because freedom can be an onerous responsibility.
And yes, we tell each other that we live in a materialist society or a consumerist society, and we've also given each other, I would say, a completely false idea of what happiness is.
You know, people have increasingly been led to believe that happiness is abundance.
You know, some is good, more is better, and too much is just right.
That the more stuff you can acquire, the more food you can eat, the more white goods you can have, the more mobile phones, the more cars, and all of the rest of it is the route to happiness.
And that is the antithesis of happiness, really.
You know, so many people out there want medicated, they want to be given a pill to take away their dissatisfaction and they tell themselves that they're depressed and that they need all sorts of medical help because they're not happy.
And it's because we've been miseducated about what happiness actually is.
You know, and that's a really serious consideration.
You know, I would say that happiness should really be something that we notice because it stands out in comparison to the rest of the texture of daily life that comes with ups and downs and sadness and challenge and adversity and all of the rest of it.
And the moments when the sun unexpectedly or not breaks through the clouds, that's happiness.
And that's how you can appreciate being happy, but it's only one of the textures of being human and alive.
And you know, Francis Hutcheson, the Chair of Moral Philosophy at Glasgow University during the Scottish Enlightenment in the 1750s and 60s, and he preached that That happiness was not just some random gift from God.
It didn't fall from heaven-like manna onto the fortunate.
On the contrary, it was to be worked for.
He said that by dedicating all of your strength and all of your effort to making those around you happier, That the collateral benefit that you would enjoy would be that you would experience happiness by making, by working so hard to make other people happy.
And, you know, one of his students was John Witherspoon, who was invited eventually to become the second president of what is Princeton University.
It was a college then.
And he was one of the signatories of the Declaration of Independence, and there's room for the possibility that the line about life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness came from John Witherspoon's Education at the Hands of Francis Hutchison.
And once you embrace that idea, that happiness is actually to be pursued actively with every fibre of your being, in the form of working for other people's improvement, and the improvement of other people's circumstances, that that's what makes you happy.
Then that turns on its head the materialist, consumerist idea of what it is to be happy.
You know, we've been given a very one-dimensional, shallow to the point of almost being invisible and irrelevant, an idea of happiness.
You know, happiness is a product of something much richer that it takes in the rest of human experience.
Neil, I love your analysis that the pursuit of happiness rather than the destination of happiness might have been the key part of that valuable enshrined idiom and part of deep American history and culture.
It's lovely to speak with you, Neil.
It's like being in a magnesium bath of wisdom.
I can only imagine how lovely it would be to actually be in a magnesium bath of wisdom With you while you espouse this gentle lilting philosophy.
Neil, it's so kind of you to have joined us today.
Thank you very much.
Those of you that are not familiar with Neil, he's on GB News.
You can find GB News content here on Rumble.
If you want to follow him on X, he's At The Coast Guy.
That's how you'll find him there.
And his new book, we'll post a link to this, Hauntings.
A book of ghosts and where I find them across 25 eerie British locations is out now and I'm going to work my way through those 25 locations.
Neil, thank you so much for joining us today.
I hope we get another opportunity to speak again soon because it's, for me, extremely soothing.
It was like Valium in a good way.
I'll see you in the magnesium bath, Russell.
That is our next stop, the magnesium bath, the two of us, because normally it's ice plunges for me,
but from now on, it's magnesium baths with Neil.
Thank you so much.
Thank you so much, Neil.
That was beautiful.
Thanks, mate.
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As you know, the ongoing global conflicts continue to escalate and in particular the conflagration between Israel and Palestine is devastating, particularly for people that are personally involved, but for all humanity.
How would you feel if you were to discover that on legacy media you're being given apparently Expert opinion by people who have a vested interest in increasing the sales of weapons.
Increasingly, MSNBC, CNN and the like bring out people with strong financial ties to Raytheon, Boeing and Lockheed Martin and ask them, should we continue to have wars?
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