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Oct. 25, 2023 - Stay Free - Russel Brand

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WW3, Is Trump’s Personality The Only Solution?! - Stay Free #231

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	I Hello there, you Awakening Wanderers.
	Thanks for joining me for Stay Free with Russell Brand today.
	We've got an amazing show.
	Firstly, we've got a wonderful German Shepherd in the building.
	That's always enjoyable.
	We've got an amazing guest coming up.
	Neil Oliver is going to be joining us.
	Do you know Neil Oliver?
	Let me know in the chat.
	Do you know him, guys, in the locals chat?
	Do you know him in the Rumble chat?
	You're aware of him?
	We got a fantastic take on the legacy media's ongoing advocacy for war, where continually
	they platform people, pundits I suppose you'd say, with military industrial complex ties
	without mentioning them.
	You're going to love this, right?
	They bring people out and go, this person used to work for the Obama administration.
	He's a diplomat and an expert on bringing about peace.
	Then with investigation you discover they've got ties to Boeing or Raytheon or Lockheed
	Martin.
	In short, the legacy media are showcasing people with MIC, military industrial complex
	ties, and are presenting them as experts.
	No wonder war is escalating when you take the opinions of people that benefit from war and present it as news.
	What is the function of the legacy media?
	Let me know in the chat right now.
	If you think it's to convey information, press one.
	If you think it's to amplify the intentions of the establishment, press two.
	Let's see them.
	And I see you glotting the old rumble chat.
	Let's see a little bit more love in there between one another.
	We want diversity of opinion.
	We want free speech.
	But this is where you can show one another that it's possible to communicate lovingly.
	If you fancy a little more love, jump over to that locals chat.
	Lots of peace, lots of glory.
	For the first 15 minutes, we're going to be on YouTube, okay?
	But then, and this by the way is water, not vodka, just to clarify.
	Highland Springs are not running freely with vodka.
	Unless Putin is pushing his agenda even that far by making the Highlands themselves full of extremely powerful, I would say, ethanol laden drinks.
	Many of you are pressing too.
	You recognise that it's all about propaganda.
	And if you want to know how propaganda works, have a look at the way that news is reported versus the events themselves.
	You'll love this.
	MSNBC have been reporting on a Trump slip-up.
	Did you see this speech?
	There was a fantastic speech that Trump did, beautiful speech, beautiful speech, where he accidentally said that Viktor Orban was the leader of Turkey instead of Hungary.
	Of course it's Erdogan, isn't it, is the leader of Turkey.
	Now MSNBC fall upon this Ravenous and hungry because they show their hands with stories like this.
	They show their hands, they're even in it go, do you see?
	Oh, they would have gone crazy if Biden had done this.
	What they don't show is that just a few seconds later, Trump corrects himself.
	Sorry, I mean, he's actually, it's hungry, not turkey.
	They don't mention that.
	So in a sense, you can watch propaganda in real time.
	And in a minute, we'll be showing you some of Biden's ongoing extraordinary gaffes, like a handshake that lasts forever.
	And you'll love this as well.
	Hillary Clinton and Barrackin live.
	It's extraordinary to see Hillary again.
	I ain't watched all of it yet, but if you lot want to watch it, let me know, because we've got a whole host, a wide and maddening variety of options.
	We'll start, though, by showing you MSNBC reporting on Trump.
	We're at 5,000 at the moment on the Rumble stream.
	If we get to 20,000, you can choose what you want to see marched out here.
	Do you want to see Gareth Roy as usual?
	Or do you want to see... I mean, you've seen a dog.
	I don't know what else we can drag out here for you.
	I don't know who we could present to you people.
	Let's have a look at the Trump slip-up, but then let's see how it's reported on.
	It's brilliant.
	You'll love this.
	Victor Orban.
	Did anyone ever hear of him?
	He's probably, like, one of the strongest leaders anywhere in the world.
	He's the leader of, right?
	He's the leader of Turkey.
	Okay, right, so that's the mistake he's made.
	But look at this, look at this, look at the joy of this.
	Look at what's behind it.
	The legacy media yet pretend that what they're doing is conveying information.
	But what they're doing, as you know, because you all press too, they're amplifying propaganda, right?
	Except he isn't.
	It's like I'm hungry.
	Oh, God.
	Oh, no.
	It's a different country.
	Oh, I'm so exhausted.
	It's almost as if that mistake is worse than a democracy that's way off track being run by a near-cadaver.
	If we hadn't had a new tsunami today, I might have lived with that.
	That was Donald Trump today praising Viktor Orban, the authoritarian leader of Hungary, not Turkey.
	Of course, when you pal around with the world's autocrats, it's easy to...
	Mix them up I guess.
	Sometimes I think when they criticize like Trump's personality, it's a kind of envy, you know, like he's got a sort of ease, conviviality, congeniality, humor and wit that they envy.
	They try and be funny, they try and be jingoistic, they try and be bombastic, but they just don't do it as well.
	Now I've been on this show, do you remember that?
	When I was on that show morning Joe?
	Look at the piety, the judgment, look at how they even say, oh if Biden did this, they'd be falling upon it while they themselves never
	report like will they later on on MSNBC cover the moment where Joe Biden does a 20-minute handshake
	with a scientist that looks like he's about to push her over the edge? Hold on of course uh maybe
	he's never even visited Turkey.
	I don't know.
	Maybe the leader of Hungary has visited.
	And if that were Joe Biden, they'd be running wall-to-wall on certain networks with medical experts describing what was happening here and why he needed help and why he should probably step off the stage.
	Right?
	Do you see?
	They're actually sort of meta-commenting on what they themselves do.
	And with the first newscaster, when she talks about autocrats, you know that Joe Biden has personally enabled the sale of weapons to 57% of the world's autocracies.
	Does that make sense to you?
	You know, when Trump was doing arms deals with Saudi Arabia, Biden said he would make Saudi Arabia a pariah and yet they sell more arms than Trump sold to Saudi Arabia.
	So, actually, when it comes to it, they can't criticise Trump on policy because, hey, what about the wall?
	They're building that wall anyway.
	It's extraordinary.
	It's extraordinary.
	Let's have a look at what actually happened in that Trump speech.
	You'll be astonished.
	And remember, are you familiar with Neil Oliver?
	He's coming on the show.
	He's a fantastic British commentator, Scottish specifically.
	I think you're going to enjoy seeing him.
	If you have questions for Neil, post them in the chat right now.
	Let's have a look at Trump's speech and what they don't report on the legacy media. We're
	trying to, as best as we can, give you some kind of balance so we can come together.
	Because believe you me, unless we find ways of unifying, unless we find ways of being diverse
	but unified, decentralised but unified, they've already won. I'm telling you, they've
	already won.
	He is the leader of, right, he's the leader of Turkey.
	Fronts on both Russia.
	Fronts on both Russia.
	Yeah, you can sit down.
	We'll be here for a little while.
	We got plenty of time, what the hell.
	I'm very honored that you're all standing, but sit down.
	They'll be standing in a couple of minutes as soon as we say some of the things they like, because they're waiting.
	They're waiting for that.
	But Viktor Orban, and he's the head of Hungary, and he runs a tough, let me tell you, he runs it proper.
	Trump's corrected it.
	No big deal.
	Can't put that on the news.
	He runs it strong with crime and everything else.
	He runs it strong and he doesn't let terrorists into his country.
	They said, what do you recommend for Joe Biden if you could tell him anything?
	I tell him to resign and let Trump become president because nobody ran Let me know, are the liberal mainstream media hypocritical when it comes to their coverage of Trump?
	And what does this story tell you?
	Just a simple Y or N in the chat over on Rumble.
	Let me know.
	The most relevant part of the speech wasn't covered.
	This is talking about Trump's personality in relationship to war and Hillary Clinton's claim that Trump's personality in and of itself was a creator of conflict.
	A little bit later, we'll show you Hillary Clinton In an extraordinary showdown with a heckler.
	You're gonna love that.
	Let me know if you want to see it.
	Yeah, look, yeses are coming.
	Thick and fast.
	Let's have a look at Trump saying that his personality is like a balm.
	It's like a dove from the Lord.
	It's an olive branch!
	Look at what we did.
	We defeated ISIS.
	Remember when Hillary Clinton... I don't call her crooked anymore.
	I've given that term over to her.
	I call her beautiful Hillary.
	She's a beautiful woman.
	Beautiful, Hillary.
	Remember when she was... He'll cause a war with his personality.
	No, my personality kept us out of war.
	We didn't have any wars.
	I was the first one in, I think they say, 76 years.
	Now with this Omnicrisis escalating the potential for Iran to become involved in the conflict with yet more funding going to Ukraine, perpetuating the war with Russia, with escalating tensions with China, whose personality is better suited to bringing about peace?
	Do you think it's Trump or do you think it's this guy?
	Now to give Joe Biden his credit, he certainly shake hands well, but It may be a little bit too long.
	Tell me if you think he overdoes it with his handshake and tell me, like, I want you to say now at the point where you think he should have let go of the hand.
	Let's have a look at this.
	I think he's given an award to a scientist, a neurologist, I think.
	Have a look at this.
	The National Medal of Science is being presented to Huda Akil.
	That's long enough.
	Already now, this is we're in excess handshake territory.
	Of the University of Michigan, for pioneering contributions to our understanding of the brain biology of emotions.
	Her seminal discoveries of the molecular neural- Bet she's making some molecular neural discoveries right now.
	Will you please let go of my hand?
	Follow the science!
	Genetic and behavioral mechanisms of pain, substance abuse, and depression have helped identify novel targets Lottie is saying now.
	Now!
	He should have let go by now.
	Join us over on Rumble.
	Not you, Lott, you Awakened Wonders.
	Press the red button if you want to become an Awakened Wonder and support our work so that we can continue to develop and grow this movement.
	Here on Stay Free, we point out the problem.
	There, with the Awakened Wonder community and locals, we are moving towards solutions.
	Joe Biden on stage is still shaking hands.
	for treatments strengthening our nation's public health including the fight to end the opioid epidemic
	and this is where we've now entered an extraordinary time i believe where everything has become politicized
	We got some fantastic reporting for you on excess deaths, which I can't talk about while we're still on YouTube.
	Some revelatory stuff that if you were someone that was sceptical around the pandemic and the way that it was being handled, you are going to be verified.
	You are going to be given the data you require to seal this conversation once And for all.
	But I feel that COVID and vaccines were politicised from the beginning.
	Do you think that it was science that determined the behaviour during lockdown and the policy during lockdown?
	Press S if you do.
	Or was it politics?
	Press P if you think that it was politics.
	Have a look at this from our man Biden, claiming that it was science.
	No, starting on day one, in the middle of the pandemic, we vaccinated a nation The greatest operational effort ever undertaken by this country.
	Operational.
	And we did it with a strategy based on science, not on politics.
	Yeah, politics.
	It was highly political in the end, wasn't it?
	I feel that people were getting boosters for political reasons.
	I'm still on YouTube, so let's be careful.
	People were wearing masks for political reasons because the science tells a very different story.
	Whether it's natural immunity, whether it's the lack of clinical trials on transplants.
	I've just got to be careful because we're on YouTube.
	I can't say everything I want to say on this platform.
	It's simply not possible.
	But let's Just to show you a little bit of contrast before we move on to some of the Hillary Clinton stuff, let's just remind ourselves how Kamala Harris and Joe Biden talked about the vaccine prior to their administration commencing.
	If the Trump administration approves a vaccine before or after the election, should Americans take it and would you take it?
	If Donald Trump tells us that we should take it, I'm not taking it.
	The people of this country don't trust this federal government.
	With this vaccine process?
	I trust vaccines.
	I trust scientists.
	But I don't trust Donald Trump.
	The WHO are on the very precipice of being able to impose a global treaty that will mean your country, if it's a member of the WHO, will have to give 5% of its health budget to the WHO and that your country will have to obey their legislation when it comes to masks.
	lockdowns, vaccines in the event, and some would say the inevitable event, of another
	pandemic. Here is the WHO Director General complaining that the spread of misinformation
	undermines faith in our institutions. But what's really undermining the faith in institutions?
	Is it misinformation or is it corruption? Press M if it's misinformation, press C if
	it's corruption.
	We saw a lack of coordination between nations and between health actors and the politicization
	of science and the undermining of faith in our institutions from the spread of misinformation.
	Whether it's in the Rumble chat right now or in the Awakened Wonder Locals chat, there's naught but the letter C raining down endlessly.
	What vitamin you need, though, is vitamin D, not C, although, you know, that would perhaps be a little too scientific for the WHO.
	How are you feeling about this WHO treaty?
	Do you want to grant more power to unelected to be continued.
	The proposal was circulated to World Health Organization member states on Monday, October the 16th.
	The text is publicly available from October the 30th.
	Have a little look, because sometimes I was told they just move one little word, like you should not be able to impose vaccine mandates.
	You Should be able to impose.
	It's only small changes but with pretty significant implications.
	In the UK there's a petition.
	We should post that petition so that it is at least negotiated in Parliament.
	No one will turn up for it.
	Let me know in your country, wherever you are in North America, is there any resistance to this treaty?
	Anything being learned from the last few years.
	Now, before we have a look at Hillary Clinton at Columbia University dealing with a protester on the basis of Biden's $100 billion military funding bundle, which is exacerbating, I would argue, death and destruction on an unprecedented scale.
	Let me know what you want to see when we come off YouTube.
	The skyrocketing demand for panic rooms.
	It's an interesting story.
	Everybody's in a state of total panic and people want panic rooms and safe rooms
	and stuff like that.
	Or would you like to see Dr. Drew discussing myocarditis?
	First, one for panic rooms, two for Dr. Drew.
	Let me know as well how you feel about this Hillary Clinton.
	and shouting match. We just started to watch this and let me know too if you want to see,
	I'm wondering whether we should go straight to Neil Oliver or whether or not we should show our
	keys and news but I'll ask you that in a little second. I just want to make sure you guys are
	in absolute control of what we're doing. I would say the Institute of Global Politics,
	even as a name, tells you a little too much about what's happening.
	What you want is regionalised, decentralised politics, federalism, maximum amount of democracy, not an elite establishment march, decentralising power and introducing authoritarianism wherever possible by introducing crisis wherever possible so people are in a total state of fear and dread and unable to think straight.
	I'm not sorry. You sit down and we're gonna let other people talk.
	I'm gonna turn now to Frank Logesha.
	Frank Logesha is It's funny, that portrait on the wall just like,
	this isn't why we built this place.
	A leading civil rights organizer who is
	President Joe Biden is calling for a hundred billion dollars of funding for Israel, Taiwan, and Ukraine and we're supposed to just bundle these together and pretend like we're gonna rush to World War III and we're all just gonna let Hillary Rodham Clinton sit here.
	Okay.
	I'm sorry.
	You know, this is not the way to have a conversation.
	If you want to have a conversation, you're welcome to come talk to me afterwards.
	You can sit here.
	Okay, right.
	You're gonna wait for me, right?
	I will wait for you, and I will listen to you, and I will respond to you.
	I do not believe you.
	Respectfully, I do not believe you.
	And the fact of the matter is that the American people's voice are what need to be heard.
	Yeah, they are being heard.
	Because our president is not speaking for the American people and neither are you.
	Well, that's your opinion.
	That's your opinion.
	Yes, that's my opinion.
	P for protester, H for Hillary in the chat.
	And do you remember being given a vote on how to escalate and fund the military-industrial complex and their clear agenda?
	P if you were the protester, H if you were Hillary.
	Well then sit down, we've heard your opinion.
	Thank you very much.
	Now we're going to turn to people who are on the front lines of working on behalf of Hillary Clinton.
	Get into the basket of deplorables!
	There is so much pee in the chat that the Democrats will tell you that it's raining down on Donald Trump from a Russian sex worker and try and create a hoax out of it!
	Yes it is!
	It is free speech!
	This is free speech everyone!
	This is free speech!
	That is not free speech!
	This is people constructing narratives that are openly hypocritical!
	I'm sorry!
	The incredible hypocrisy!
	You tell me John Foster Dulles went with Eleanor Roosevelt to bring this Declaration of the Rights of Man?
	John Foster Dulles was involved with the CIA!
	Right, he's getting excited now!
	Operation Paperclip!
	The Mockingbird!
	Oh man, you've known about the UFOs for ages!
	Pizzagate!
	We are brilliant in your historical cherry picking!
	The Pinochet regime!
	Cherry picking Hillary, uh, steal dossier?
	Please, could you please inform me about the United States?
	I think we are going to move on to...
	Ms. Clinton, will you denounce Joe Biden?
	Will you denounce Joe Biden's speech?
	Not just yelling about it.
	So Frank, I want to turn to you because...
	We are not just turning to Frank at a time like this.
	A lot of people in the rumble chat concerned for that young man.
	But like, yeah, I think, do, I would say, make a video right now saying, I'm in good mental health, I feel pretty optimistic about the future.
	Sadly, that young man was found in... You can finish that sentence, guys.
	You are from Uganda, and Uganda is 2023.
	Did she just say, you are Uganda?
	Wow, I must visit Uganda this year.
	Homosexuality Act criminalises LGBT conduct in Uganda.
	It's really amazing because there's a much more immediate problem than LGBTQ plus problems in Uganda.
	Why are you funding these wars?
	Where's our democracy, man?
	Never mind all that.
	Let's get back to what's going on in Uganda.
	to world war three!
	do you understand?
	it's not about israel's Palestine, it's not about
	it's not football, this isn't football it's not team america
	well, i'm sorry but some of us are on team america
	despite our flaws and our problems yes, that's me!
	oh no, you don't get away with that they're not, uh, team america
	no, some of us do like actually america
	as a matter of fact and our ability to have
	ongoing bombing raids all the-
	and some of us every person on this stage
	you have to stop, right now Wait, I want to say one thing.
	Every person on this stage has risked their life, their income, their reputation.
	Will you please just let us discuss Uganda?
	I mean Uganda is an interesting nation but plainly this is not the way the conversation is going.
	What was she saying there?
	What have you done other than stand up and voice your protest?
	Get into your basket of deplorables and do what you're told!
	This is liberalism!
	This is what liberalism... Put this mask on!
	You are at risk!
	You're not two meters apart!
	Here, this will make you feel better!
	Extraordinary stuff!
	Okay listen, you lot want to see the myocarditis clip?
	Of course you want to see the myocarditis clip!
	We're going to have to leave YouTube to do that and straight after that we're going to talk to our dear beloved friend Neil Oliver who's a fantastic pundit, truth teller, he's got some fantastic perspectives that you are going to want to hear.
	So if you're watching this on YouTube right now there's a link In fact, that young man, we should find that guy because he would love this video and I don't think he'll be shouting throughout here because I agree.
	Yes, exactly!
	Exactly!
	Oliver, we're going to talk about the use of pundits with ties to military industrial
	complex companies that ain't declared as they advocate for ongoing expenditure on war.
	In fact, that young man, we should find that guy because he would love this video and I don't think
	he'll be shouting throughout here because I agree, yes, exactly, exactly, Team America!
	Hillary on the other hand, I don't think she'd be a fan.
	Okay, so enjoy.
	If you're on YouTube, ta-ta for now.
	See you in a minute.
	And we're going to look at Dr. Drew.
	Let us know.
	Are we off YouTube now?
	We're gone, guys.
	See you later, YouTube.
	We have to wait a while because if I accidentally say something that WHO wouldn't like, we get in a lot of trouble.
	So get over here right now.
	We're going to talk about Dr. Drew discussing recent American Heart Association journal reports.
	50% of young men with myocarditis after jab had permanent Can I say it yet?
	Are we off YouTube?
	Still can't say it.
	Still can't say it.
	Clear!
	Heart damage!
	Bloody!
	Bloody!
	My heart can't die!
	It's them jabs cause my heart can't die!
	Why can't we say this?
	Why are we not free to tell the truth?
	Become an awakened wonder.
	Join us.
	It's enough commenting on the problems.
	You can see what the problem is.
	And the problem is that we're waging war around the world.
	We're waging war against one another when if we were smart, Just for a second, we would recognize we have more in common with one another than we do with the establishment elites that pull the strings, guide, govern, and control us.
	Okay, guys.
	Okay, let's have a look at Dr. Drew on myocarditis, which apparently is a side effect of a certain little very popular injection that had a good PR campaign not long ago.
	They saved lives in the Middle East, and in this country, safe rooms are now becoming popular.
	Mind safe rooms.
	You're not getting no safe rooms.
	Democracy works.
	There must have been some faulty voting machines on this end, let me tell you.
	Let's have a look at Dr. Drew.
	It's more common than we thought.
	People are like, well, it's mild.
	It's mild.
	It's no big deal.
	It's self-limited.
	Look, in my world, throughout my entire career, 40-year career, myocarditis is a medical emergency.
	It's a dire problem.
	A publication just came out five days ago in Circulation, a major cardiac cardiology journal.
	An excellent study and it showed, it took my breath away, I didn't know why it wasn't headline news.
	It's a large study and it showed that... Well no, it's not headline news, it's censored.
	About approximately half of the young males that got myocarditis had permanent heart damage.
	Yep.
	Permanent.
	That means that we don't know what percentage are going to be disabled by this as they get older, are going to develop heart failure, are going to need cardiac transplants, some of them.
	Oh my god.
	Breathtaking, this study, and why it wasn't a big headline.
	I've sort of centered around a little bit because I don't understand why people aren't reacting to it.
	So in a 27-year-old male, the illness is a nothing.
	So the vaccine is all risk.
	Why the push?
	Why are we pushing?
	And I think, put your legal head on for a second, that universities are going to be in big trouble for having mandated young people to get that vaccine.
	I agree with that.
	they're gonna have long-term consequences and they should sue those schools for having forced them to take a medical
	intervention.
	There you go, just another aspect of this unfolding drama that seems to lead more and more to censorship and
	centralized control.
	Hey guys, let's do a post right now on X and let people there know that Neil Oliver from GB News is about to join
	us.
	And the first question I want to ask Neil is this.
	Is the crisis that we're confronting so big that we can't even face it?
	Is that what's happening?
	Let them know on X. Give them a still of the two of us together.
	And those of you that are watching us now in Rumble or in our locals community, please welcome from GB News, my new friend, And potential sort of doppelganger cousin in a pastoral wonderland, Neil Oliver.
	Thanks for joining us, Neil.
	The audio in here, I can't hear Neil.
	I don't know if you're muted, mate, but I can't hear you in here.
	There we go.
	Can you hear me now?
	I can, but I can also do your side of the conversation.
	Oh, hello.
	Yeah, well, what it is, Russell, is we're at a point of crisis.
	You've got a lovely little Scottish accent.
	Neil, mate, can you tell us Why do you think people are unable to appropriately respond to what seems to be a kind of omnicrisis, an all-immersive, total surrounding nightmare?
	Why are people not able to face it?
	What is it, Neil?
	I think, in essence, it's too big for a lot of people to contemplate.
	I think to embrace the scale of the problem involves people in being prepared to set aside the way they've perceived the world, the way they've understood the relationship with the state, the way they've understood the role of science and the obligations that the institutions have towards us, that symbiotic relationship that's supposed to be there.
	And because it's too much, many, many people who have a great deal of a sense of self invested in, you know, that they believe that they understand, they believe they've read enough, they believe they're, you know, in control of the facts and the data, and to contemplate that they might have had it wrong, that they might have been duped, fooled, tricked.
	It's too much.
	And, you know, there's there are, well, there's historical, not exactly historical precedent, but when it came to when the when the ships of the of Europe were encountering the New World, and it's partly apocryphal, but the story goes that when, say, Columbus's ships appeared in the Americas or when Captain Cook's Endeavour arrived in Australia, There are various stories that circulate that the indigenous people didn't even look up at the arrival of these enormous ships.
	Now, it all comes really from a diary entry by Joseph Banks, probably Cook's botanist.
	But nonetheless, the idea that's pushed is that it was too much for them to take on.
	And so they simply pretended that the ships weren't there.
	Now, apocryphal or not, I think it's illustrative.
	of the idea that sometimes something is too big for people to be willing to comprehend it.
	And I think, perhaps counter to the way you might think, it's the cleverest people, the people who consider themselves the most educated and the most experienced and the wisest, that struggle to allow for the possibility that they might have to rethink their understanding of society, even of reality.
	Yes, it's an incredible invitation, and a terrifying one, to have a personal awakening induced of that scale, Neil.
	And I love your use of that, albeit potentially apocryphal tale, that what's appearing on the horizon of our life is so inconceivably large, so extraordinary, and represents such a disruption, that unless you're a sort of a cynical and sceptical person, and I know many of our awakened wonders, and many of our friends in the rumble chat are, You know, my default position towards authority, Neil, is I don't trust authority.
	That meant that for a while I was considered sort of a left-wing person because I don't trust authority and my natural alliances used to be on the left.
	It seems now that a lot of people think I'm a conspiracy theorist or a right-wing, but really my position hasn't changed.
	I don't trust authority.
	Now, I had a conversation with Jordan Peterson the other day, which will be available on Locals in a couple of days, actually, and you'll love it.
	And I talked about, you know, it's sort of obviously a That's a very well-worn idea.
	The idea that in a secular or post-religious order, the role of God or the organising principle is taken by the state.
	So to sort of disavow the state becomes a kind of heresy.
	Earlier we showed a clip where we talked about the politicisation of Covid, wearing masks, being a badge of honour, getting booster shots, Almost like some kind of pharmaceutical communion, like some ongoing doubling down on your allegiance to a particular ideology.
	Do you think that part of the reason people can't have a real reckoning around the pandemic era and what it has revealed, authoritarianism, a desire for surveillance, a tendency towards censorship, a plain Do you think it's because a kind of religious sense has been grafted onto the public political consciousness, Neil?
	Yeah, I do.
	I think experience of looking back at the last few hundred years seems to suggest that in doing away with God, in doing away with religiosity and ridiculing and setting aside faith in the West, has not been helpful.
	And I think it's demonstrable by the fact that Into the space left behind by religion is pulled some other zombie, parasitic replacement for faith in the transcendent.
	You know, I think it's undeniable that many people, perhaps most people, have a sense of the transcendent, however they might express it.
	You know, the thirst that from the soul doth rise, doth ask a drink divine, said the poet.
	And where true religion is taken away, something else takes its place.
	And I think we saw during the Covid debacle, I think we saw a religiosity around the way all of it was pushed.
	And so you had a dress code, you had people having to wear face masks because that was part of the appearance that enabled people to demonstrate that they were good people.
	I am wearing a mask because I am one of the good guys.
	When it came to the products that were pushed as vaccines, it was almost like taking communion.
	It was like an ersatz, Eucharist, where people didn't just take the vaccine, they wanted to be seen to take those products.
	And so they were posting pictures of themselves receiving the injection and showing their vaccination cards and all of the rest of it.
	There were good scientists and bad scientists, which is a replacement for the priests and the heretics, But there was undoubtedly a religiosity about it.
	And I think it demonstrated that in the absence of faith, in the absence of religion, something else, something less worthy and something ultimately less helpful gets pulled into the void.
	I think it seems to me at least significant that one component of it is an ongoing demonstration of allegiance.
	I've noted with interest this rising fear in our culture.
	Fear, anger, desire, primal emotions, a tendency to throw onto the other the kind of shadow qualities of every individual.
	It's extraordinary to see a kind of what seems to be a sort of a scent of evil.
	It appears too that the kind of comfortable idea that our culture, the sort of we of the West, are the good guys, seems to be under question.
	Neil, I understand that you and I share an opinion that potentially even history itself has been mistold, even recent events.
	This might seem a little highfalutin and even a little fudge, but because of the potential that at the end of the Second World War significant numbers of Nazi scientists took roles within NASA, for example, is it possible that Somehow there is a kind of a ghost of evil, transcendent of nation, moving from territory to territory.
	I mean, is this what globalism really is?
	Corporate elites, alliances that transcend either religion, corporate affiliation, national affiliation, and other examples of that through history, a kind of I don't want to get into the realm of conspiracy theory, certainly not on the basis of anything other than economic interests and interests of dominion.
	But do you feel that that's a possibility?
	That we are no longer on the side of righteousness, potentially because we're being marshaled by forces that are not easy to observe within conventional history?
	I have, over the last few years, begun to open myself up to the possibility that Well, as you say, since perhaps the end of the Second World War.
	I think if the West were the good guys, I've begun to question whether or not we still are.
	And I think possibly our goodness began to wane in the years following the end of the Second World War.
	I think to some extent it might have been because there was an open goal You know, America in particular, the West, had an opportunity to be predominant.
	And I think there was a temptation that came with that to exploit opportunities to make money.
	I think the rest of the 20th century and the prosecution of one war after another, I think when I look at it now, I contemplate the possibility that it was increasingly because it was the opportunity for profit that was driving a lot of that.
	We talk all the time about the military-industrial complex.
	I think that's been driving it.
	I've even begun to wonder at the extent to which we're told the truth about exactly who won the war and how.
	You know, you talk about Operation Paperclip when the Americans uplifted a lot of Nazi scientists and transplanted them into the United States, and a lot of those people took up positions of influence in esteemed universities and other places of influence.
	I'm minded of that, you know, the line from The Usual Suspects, the thing about, you know, the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was persuading the world he didn't exist.
	I do wonder at the extent to which some of the evil that was there in the 30s and the 40s just managed to disappear out of sight without actually being expunged or cleared away once and for all.
	I think to some extent it has been there ever since.
	But it's part of that coming to terms with the possibility that you might have to reengineer your understanding of the world around you is to contemplate that, you know, perhaps that notion that the West, the United States are and have always been the good guys.
	I think that's definitely under question now.
	And it's very uncomfortable.
	I share the discomfort in having to go through that.
	And once again, I say, I think that's why so many people won't even begin to take one step On to that kind of staircase of disbelief and begin to contemplate the possibility that the way they've understood and perceived the world might need a radical rethink.
	Yeah, because that staircase of disbelief, I wonder if it's an ascendancy like Ezekiel or a descent like the dude with the harp, you know, who goes Orpheus.
	You know, because what I feel, Neil, is that in a way we have to start considering a completely different understanding of reality.
	Seems that individualism Rationalism, materialism, progressivism.
	And I don't actually just mean cultural progressivism in terms of different forms of identity.
	I mean the idea that there is a teleology for humanity.
	That we are wealthier than our grandparents and you've got this new gadgetry.
	It seems to me that something is being obscured from us.
	Is it God?
	Is it Atlantis?
	Is there a kind of lost history?
	Some hidden mystery that might yet unify us?
	Is it as simple as the fact that we've become detached from our anthropological conditions as creatures that might live harmonized in localized tribes rather than gathered together corralled in herds of 30 million, 300 million, 60 million with a centralized Dictatorial authoritarian government dispatching medicines and fake news and keeping us dumb and sugared up and screen-fed and fat.
	You know, do you feel sometimes that there needs to be a philosophical shift that's difficult, obviously, to contemplate from within the limited position we now find ourselves?
	Because this ascent or descent that you're referring to He said, you know, how does the unenlightened mind become enlightened, Neil?
	How?
	I think to some extent, I think part of the problem is that as a species, I think we are forgetful.
	And I think we have a tendency to a kind of, you know, cultural Alzheimer's.
	I don't think our collective memory goes back very far, maybe just a few generations.
	And beyond that, we're dependent upon the history books or the accounts of history.
	And, you know, the whole, all the caveats about history being written by the victors always applies there.
	And so I think we're a forgetful species.
	You know, Henri Bergson, the philosopher, said it's the function of the brain to enable us not to remember, but to forget.
	I think we are always in the process as individuals and collectively of forgetting what actually happened.
	And so I think we need periodically to be reminded or to remind each other of what really matters and when you look back through history you can see you can note the appearance time and time again of particularly bright lights who sought one way or another to say the same thing you know and i'm talking here about people like jesus christ or about the buddha uh or even about even about someone like mahatma gandhi who tended to stress the importance the inviolability of the individual
	And that ultimately everything comes back to us having faith in ourselves as individuals.
	And part of that is being prepared to take responsibility for what we each can do and the change that we can each affect.
	As thinking, considerate, compassionate individuals.
	And you see society reminding itself of that over and over again.
	You know, in 1215, when Magna Carta was written in England, it wasn't actually coming up with anything new.
	On the contrary, it was restating ideas and truths that had come from a time immemorial.
	And it centered on the importance of the individual.
	And that's why it restated the idea that every man from the king down to the to the lowliest commoner was entitled to trial by jury, because a trial by a jury of your peers was regarded as being the way in which the guilt or innocence of an individual.
	That wasn't the only thing being tested.
	It was the justice of the law itself.
	And it's why what was enshrined in trial by jury in Magna Carta was that it ultimately came down to the individual.
	So that rather than majority verdicts in the original juries, if you had someone being tried and let's say 11 of the 12 said guilty, but one man, one person said not guilty, then the judgment of that jury was not guilty.
	So that it enshrined in the importance of trial by jury that ultimately it was the conscience of the individual that carried the weight.
	Now, that's a fundamentally important concept.
	You see it again in 1776 in the Declaration of Independence in the United States.
	It's careful, the founding fathers were careful once again to remind themselves and the society they were trying to build that it's not about the majority necessarily.
	Ultimately, it's about the individual conscience It's the thinking individual that makes all the difference.
	That's why there is a danger, actually, in allowing always for a majority verdict, or waiting for a democratic decision, as we've been tricked as a population into a consensus of false belief that the majority is always right.
	Because if the last three years have shown us anything at all, it's that on the contrary, it's often, possibly always, a minority, a determined, honest, passionate minority that is actually able to stand in the face of the majority and say, this is wrong.
	There is a better way, there's an alternative way and it's minorities and indeed ultimately the individuals down through history that have made the difference, that have changed the course of society and civilization and we need periodically to be reminded of that and to remind each other of that because we are a forgetful species.
	Neil, that's such a beautiful appraisal of the role of the individual and the potential of the individual that seems both arcane and progressive simultaneously, a kind of principle that we might organize around And I think you're right that the assumption that the majority by virtue of the cargo carried in the mass are correct is again and again demonstrated to be untrue in your example of the last three years.
	It is indeed a good one.
	Sometimes I think, I love Jesus Christ, but I sometimes think it is the utility of Christianity that allowed its ascendancy, particularly, you know, in a post-Constantine sense, when it became the religion of the state, shall we say, of the Empire.
	And perhaps a comparable thing might be true Of democracy, that whilst in a sense when organizing a small community, what principles are available to you?
	Benign dictatorship, wise elders, elders that are in a position of service that lead through sacrifice and selflessness, that can of course take place.
	In a decentralized and localized model that would certainly be more in tune with how we live for tens of thousands of years and, wow, perhaps a hell of a lot longer if some commentators and, let's say, radical historians is to be believed.
	And when it comes to democracy, as with Christianity, I wonder if it somehow serves as an edifice behind which corruption can operate, i.e.
	what kind of democracy can you have in a centralised nation of 300 million people?
	As we've seen in the last few election cycles in America, you've just got 50% or just under of the population agitated and infuriated.
	It seems like the process of centralisation itself, which is of course entirely at odds and absolutely opposite to the power of the individual, is a big part of the problem.
	I wonder if you consider, Neil, that democracy is anything but democratic.
	It's a kind of I think, I say again, the powers that be have managed to generate a consensus of false belief.
	We think we understand what democracy is, but it's been reduced to us believing that it's a vote, a single vote, every four or five years.
	And that is actually, it's almost the antithesis of democracy.
	And I say again, it comes back to acknowledging and respecting the power of the individual, the one in the face of the many.
	You know, this idea that the majority has to be believed and that the majority has to get its way every time can can also be quite pernicious.
	And that's why I think it is worth repeating that the idea for many people, the idea of trial by jury, it seems quite Esoteric or a side issue in a way because of the way we've been taught to think of jury trial.
	The fact remains that 90 odd percent of jury trials now are by magistrates court.
	They're not about trial by jury.
	And even where they are, a majority verdict now is taken as being the decision of the jury.
	But in its original iteration, it was always deferring to the individual.
	So, as I say, one against 11 would still have been the vote that carried for that jury.
	And it's because it emphasises and stresses that ultimately it's individual conscience that makes all of the difference.
	I mean, when you talk about the way in which Christianity and it becoming an edifice behind which
	corruption might hide. I would say that sadly for hundreds of years I think Christ's Christianity
	has been negated and traduced in many ways.
	I think what is often offered up as Christianity now would not really be what Jesus Christ meant when he preached, say, the Sermon on the Mount.
	How much of that do we actually see around us right now?
	You know, when so much of what we're hearing coming out of when people are commenting on the Middle East is about the justification for vengeance, an escalation of the violence, you know, a prioritising of one group's children over another.
	You know, how much of that sits comfortably, you know, with the kind of language that's there enshrined in the Sermon on the Mount, you know, about, you know, blessed are the merciful for they shall receive mercy and blessed are the peacekeepers, you know, and blessed are those who stand up for righteousness for righteousness' sake.
	You know, you're not really seeing a lot of that enacted around us at the moment, and it's greatly to our loss.
	You know, I think a lot of people out there who are supposed faith leaders for the Christian faith, the best thing they could do would be to convert to Christianity, you know, and actually begin to think again about what Christianity actually means.
	But yes, I think the most important thing I would say is that people feel powerless and understandably so.
	But the way in which you can begin to turn that back or push back against that feeling of hopelessness is to respect and remember the power that each of us has as individuals and that it comes with a great deal of personal responsibility.
	And as well as a lot of people maybe not wanting to contemplate the enormity of the problem that we face, you're turning their backs on it rather than confront it.
	You know, I think a lot of people also prefer not to contemplate the responsibility of being, you know, grown up.
	Independent individuals who take responsibility for their actions.
	That's curious that you equate that to a kind of infantilisation, that an unwillingness to take that first step onto the
	staircase, an inability to see the galleon of corruption on the
	horizon might be because we have had our personal autonomy reduced
	to the degree where we are treated like, and to a degree even feel like,
	children.
	The amount of parentalism that you might note in what passes as neoliberal democratic discourse these days,
	I'm referring to some of the clips we watched earlier of Hillary Clinton being confronted by a protestor
	who was saying, you know, you're advocating for escalating war and violence and ultimately death.
	and the kind of haughty, supercilious, condemnatory tones that are deployed reveal that the role
	of the populace, the populares, is now not a participant in an awakened community in
	which your value as an individual and your contribution to the community and your responsibility
	are all activated values.
	No, far from it.
	You are essentially a consumer.
	I envisage sometimes, Neil, a kind of like a sort of a tube of glucose going up one nostril,
	a kind of a drip filled with Pfizer's latest product going into the arm.
	You know, like, what is our function?
	Are we, you know, they say you are what we, you are what you eat, and we eat monocrops in mass fields, grown on mass.
	We eat mass slaughtered animals.
	Have we become There's a really good book that I refer to all the time.
	It's Eric Hoffer's True Believer.
	It was written in the 1950s.
	He had a hard physical life, Eric Hoffer, before he became a writer.
	He'd been around the block and he'd seen some stuff.
	He pointed out that, in truth, freedom is more than a lot of people actually want.
	In reality, what a lot of people want, even if the thought wouldn't necessarily crystallise as clearly, and they might not say it out loud even if it did, is that what they want is freedom from freedom.
	That many, many people are happier in reality being told what to do.
	You know, you talk about an infantilising and conversely there's a desire to look to a leader and to look to someone, something paternal or maternal, to take away that personal responsibility and just tell you what to do.
	A lot of people, a lot of people have an instinct to be led and they really just want freedom from freedom.
	You know, because freedom can be an onerous responsibility.
	And yes, you know, we tell each other that we live in a materialist society or a consumerist society.
	And we've also given each other, I would say, a completely false idea of what happiness is.
	You know, people have increasingly been led to believe that happiness is abundance.
	You know, some is good, more is better and too much is just right.
	That the more stuff you can acquire, the more food you can eat, the more white goods you can have, the more mobile phones, the more cars and all of the rest of it is the route to happiness.
	And that is the antithesis of happiness, really.
	You know, so many people out there want medicated, they want to be given a pill to take away their dissatisfaction and they tell themselves that they're depressed and that they need all sorts of medical help because they're not happy.
	And it's because we've been miseducated about what happiness actually is.
	You know, and that's a really serious consideration.
	You know, I would say that happiness should really be something that we notice because it stands out in comparison to the rest of the texture of daily life that comes with ups and downs and sadness and challenge and adversity and all of the rest of it.
	And the moments when the sun unexpectedly or not breaks through the clouds, that's happiness.
	And that's how you can appreciate being happy, but it's only one of the textures of being human and alive.
	And, you know, Francis Hutcheson, the chair of moral philosophy at Glasgow University during the Scottish Enlightenment in the 1750s and 60s, and he preached that That happiness was not just some random gift from God.
	It didn't fall from heaven like manna onto the fortunate.
	On the contrary, it was to be worked for.
	He said that by dedicating all of your strength and all of your effort to making those around you happier, That the collateral benefit that you would enjoy would be that you would experience happiness by making by working so hard to make other people happy.
	And, you know, one of these students was John Witherspoon, who was invited eventually to become the second president of what is Princeton University.
	It was a college then.
	And he was one of the signatories of the Declaration of Independence.
	And there's room for the possibility that the line about life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness It came from John Witherspoon's Education at the Hands of Francis Hutchison.
	And once you embrace that idea, that happiness is actually to be pursued actively with every fibre of your being, in the form of working for other people's improvement, and the improvement of other people's circumstances, that that's what makes you happy.
	Then that turns on its head the materialist, consumerist idea of what it is to be happy.
	You know, we've been given a very one-dimensional, shallow to the point of almost being invisible and irrelevant, an idea of happiness.
	You know, happiness is a product of something much richer that takes in the rest of human experience.
	Neil, I love your analysis that the pursuit of happiness rather than the destination of happiness might have been the key part of that valuable enshrined idiom and part of deep American history and culture.
	It's lovely to speak with you, Neil.
	It's like being in a magnesium bath of wisdom.
	I can only imagine how lovely it would be to actually be in a magnesium bath of wisdom with you while you espouse this gentle lilting philosophy.
	Neil, it's so kind of you to have joined us today.
	Thank you very much.
	Those of you that are not familiar with Neil, he's on GB News.
	You can find GB News content here on Rumble.
	If you want to follow him on X, he's At The Coast Guy.
	That's how you'll find him there.
	And his new book, we'll post a link to this, Hauntings.
	A book of ghosts and where I find them across 25 eerie British locations is out now and I'm going to work my way through those 25 locations.
	Neil, thank you so much for joining us today.
	I hope we get another opportunity to speak again soon because it's, for me, extremely soothing.
	It was like Valium in a good way.
	I'll see you in the magnesium bath, Russell.
	That is our next stop, the magnesium bath, the two of us, because normally it's ice plunges for me, but from now on it's magnesium baths with Neil.
	Thank you so much.
	Thank you so much, Neil.
	That was beautiful.
	Thanks, mate.
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	like flying Amazons. Flying Amazons, they've taken the first step on the ascendancy staircase like
	Ezekiel. Angel Foot, what better description? Georgia May One, Anita B Deep, Selvagio,
	they're all members of our community now. As you know, the ongoing global conflicts continue to
	escalate and in particular the conflagration between Israel and Palestine is devastating,
	particularly for people that are personally involved, but for all humanity. How would you
	feel if you were to discover that on legacy media, you're You're being given apparently expert opinion by people who have a vested interest in increasing the sales of weapons increasingly MSNBC CNN and the like
	Bring out people with strong financial ties to Raytheon, Boeing and Lockheed Martin and ask them, should we continue to have wars?
	Should we continue to kill each other?
	Well, it's very good for business.
	Here's the news.
	No, here's the effing news.
	Stay free.
	Here's the news.
	No, here's the fucking news.
	The horrific and escalating conflict in the Middle East continues to claim more human lives.
	So who do the legacy media turn to to get an unbiased perspective on that?
	Those patriots who have undisclosed ties to the military-industrial complex who will profit from this war.
	We need truth now more than ever, or at least as close as we can get to unbiased reporting.
	Like right now for example, let me tell you plainly, I do not profit from Raytheon or Lockheed Martin's actions.
	So when I talk about this horrific escalating conflict, the loss of human lives across the spectrum, the tragedy for people, no matter what your religious or spiritual alliances are, you know that I'm not making any money selling missiles and I think that's That gives me a degree of clarity that none of the people you're about to see that the legacy media turn to are able to offer you.
	Have a look at this montage.
	Each one of these apparent experts has a tie to either Raytheon or Lockheed Martin or someone else.
	They don't declare that.
	And when the legacy media are saying, what should we do?
	And do you think the solution to this problem should involve expensive artillery and weapons?
	They usually say, yeah, I think it should.
	And you don't have any personal investment in that, do you?
	Oh, they literally do.
	Have a look.
	Jeremy, I thought this might be the most significant foreign trip by U.S.
	President.
	I want to bring in Leon Panetta, formerly the U.S.
	Secretary of Defense under President Obama.
	Ambassador Dennis Ross, former special envoy to the Middle East.
	Former CIA director John Brennan, you've worked in national security, you've worked in the field.
	You'll notice that none of those people disclose their ties to those military industrial complex companies that take 50% of your tax dollar defense budget.
	Let's get into this in a little more depth.
	The world witnessed a modern high point of the American presidency when President Joe Biden visited and spoke in Israel on October 18th.
	At least that was the take offered by Jeremy Bash.
	National Security Analyst for the Liberal Cable News Network, MSNBC.
	It was absolutely the finest hour by any president I've seen in a long, long time, Bash said Wednesday on the show Deadline White House.
	Next, he suggested that Hamas may have directly targeted the Al-Ali Arab Hospital in the Gaza Strip, where an explosion killed hundreds of Palestinians last week.
	I wouldn't put it past them, given what their record is and their use of human shields, he said.
	As of now, experts are still trying to determine responsibility for the bombing.
	You are aware that this is perhaps the most contentious conflict in the world, maybe in world history.
	And uniquely at this time, it's come into a kind of conversational global crisis, where
	people are unable to communicate openly without feeling the pressure to take sides.
	Even making this content now, I know that some of you will want absolute support for
	Israel, others will want absolute support for Palestine.
	It's very difficult for us to offer you a take that's about the American military-industrial
	complex profiting from this conflict, potentially escalating this conflict, not because it's
	best for humanitarian reasons, patriotic reasons, reasons of alliance, the future of the Middle
	East, support for Israel, the best thing to do for the people of Gaza.
	No, what's possibly motivating a significant portion of the trajectory and agenda around how to handle this conflict are undisclosed ties to military-industrial complex organizations.
	And if that's not part of the story, Why are each of these pundits when they're on legacy media not saying I should tell you first of all I work with Raytheon.
	I should tell you first of all I work with Lockheed Martin.
	This conflict is complicated enough where everyone on social media feels a pressure to say I stand with X or I am against Y and actually really the truth is we are all human beings and And if there's one thing we can extract from this, shouldn't it be anybody profiting from this situation?
	A single missile being launched with the motivation being anything other than, well, this is what's best for world peace.
	This is what's best for the people of either this side or that side.
	It is so complicated.
	And across social media spaces you will find people powerfully advocating for either side.
	You will find incredible pressure, let me know if you feel it too, to find a fealty, a strong sense of alliance with this side or that side.
	What we feel obliged to do, because we are really interested in finding a way out of this devastating, terrible conflict that is claiming human lives, Children being lost, devastation, murder, mayhem, whoever you are, whatever your alliance is, we feel that one thing we could do is look at people that claim to be speaking rationally when in fact they are advocating for profiteering without even disclosing it.
	The legacy media should not be showcasing the voices of Raytheon and Lockheed Martin without telling you plainly that's what they're doing.
	I would say more important than their opinion on how this crisis should be handled is what their relationship is with the Raytheon and Lockheed Martin, considering that these organisations spend millions lobbying and earn billions bombing.
	At no point did MSNBC mention that Bash who served as chief of staff at the Central Intelligence
	Agency in the Department of Defence in the Obama administration, leads a consulting firm that
	has reportedly worked for defence contracting giant Raytheon, which supplies missiles for
	Israel's Iron Dome defence system.
	Remember, if you have a strong affiliation to Israel, if you are Israeli, if you are Jewish,
	I am not saying that you don't have the right to your emotional experience right now.
	Who the hell am I to comment on that?
	Where I do feel qualified to pontificate is should Jeremy Bash, former CIA head, current member of consulting firm that reportedly works with Raytheon, be pretending to be, well not even neutral, Offering advocacy without declaring profiteering, which I think, if you take away your personal alliances, has informed almost every conflict in the last hundred years, and perhaps is the primary motivation for all wars.
	There is enough historic complexity in that region without the intercession of profiteering, without a legacy media not declaring their true motivation, true alliances, and where they're getting their information from.
	The episode is part of a broader recurring pattern in corporate TV news.
	In recent weeks, MSNBC, NBC, CNN and Fox News have regularly invited on former defence officials turned industry consultants to explain the conflict between Israel and Palestine without ever mentioning to viewers that these analysts may represent clients with a financial stake in matters
	being discussed.
	Wouldn't you want to know if you were being offered a solution to a problem
	that the person that's offering you that solution has a vested interest in a particular outcome?
	If you have three Pepsis and drink one, how much more refreshed are you?
	Pepsi?
	Partial credit!
	Doesn't it make you consider more broadly that America's role in the world is supplying weapons,
	often to both sides of a conflict?
	That you have people in Congress investing in weapons firms during this conflict.
	The legacy media have people that work for weapons firms talking to you during the conflict.
	Do you think that's helping us to get an unbiased assessment?
	As we try to tiptoe through this tragedy, whose lives are being lost continually, unnecessarily, certainly it doesn't appear to be leading to a solution, one might argue, don't you want to ensure that the information you're getting is the best possible information from the best possible people?
	How else are we ever going to achieve anything other than endless ongoing war?
	Hmm.
	Endless ongoing war.
	I wonder if anyone would benefit from an endless ongoing war.
	I wonder if our intensity and willingness to take sides would benefit any of these interests that sell arms all around the world, often to both sides, turn up on your TV set, Advocating for war without declaring those investments, have a congress full of people that are supposed to be representing you while investing in those weapons companies, having accepted lobbying money from those weapons companies, while they work within a party that accepts donations from those weapons companies.
	Seems to me like a 360 dome that's worth interrogating.
	In the days after Hamas's attack on Israel, MSNBC had for a moment quietly taken three of its Muslim broadcasters out of the anchors chair since Hamas's attack on Israel.
	According to the online news outlet Semaphore.
	By contrast, the network has repeatedly brought on Bash, whom Biden last year pointed to an intelligence advisory board to contextualize the ongoing war to viewers.
	Here's some context.
	Wars are actually quite a good thing.
	What about these dead Israeli babies and these dead Palestinian babies?
	That's all bad.
	And you can decide which ones are worse for yourself.
	But what I will tell you is, look at my stocks and shares.
	Isn't that going to cheer you up?
	Trying to cheer up.
	I just keep looking at the dead babies.
	Look at the stocks and shares.
	The dead babies is a horny image.
	We shouldn't have showed you those dead babies.
	Is there any particular type of dead baby that would cheer you up while I focus on my stocks and shares?
	I suppose I've been programmed to appreciate these dead babies more.
	Well, focus on that then, because I make money either way.
	Bush isn't the only defence industry consultant being invited on TV to explain the conflict between Israel and Palestine.
	I mean, one's already bad, isn't it?
	You want no one.
	This is so difficult, isn't it?
	It's so complicated.
	Can we just have no one who's making any money from this involved in the reporting?
	No, we're going to have several.
	The networks have also been calling on some of Bashi's colleagues at the Washington DC-based consultant firm Beacon Global Strategies, where he is a managing director and partner.
	On a personal note, I feel somewhat offended that the mainstream media feel entitled to conduct moral witch hunts when in their own reporting and investigating, this is how they actually behave.
	While Beacon does not disclose its clients, the firm has worked with Raytheon, as well as the Israeli surveillance firm, NSO Group, according to reports from the New York Times.
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	On October the 12th, Fox News interviewed Beacon Managing Director and Partner Michael Allen, who served as a top National Security Council official under President George W. Bush.
	CNN also interviewed Beacon Senior Counselor Leon Panetta, who served as CIA Director and Secretary of Defense under President Barack Obama.
	While we are all good as tribalized creatures with a deep, long, long history, perhaps longer than we ever imagined or history reports, have lived with natural alliances with groups that we feel affiliation because our survival and their survival are completely entwined, It's clear from that little list that whether you're Republican or Democrat, pro-Bush or pro-Obama, left or right, there's a little group of intersecting, crossing over folks, making a lot of money and making a lot of noise, generally advocating for further conflict on either and both sides, porously moving between media, defense, government, corporatization, effortlessly and endlessly.
	Meanwhile, down here in the dirge, We all sort of wave flags and squabble with one another about particular advocacy.
	And as I have said many times, I understand that if you are personally affected by this, of course, I'm in no position to judge your alliances.
	I wouldn't dream of it.
	But surely we can agree that having a system where people profiteer and sit in different chairs in different hats advocating usually for more war and more expenditure isn't the best way to solve these heartbreaking global problems.
	Neither Fox nor CNN noted it was interviewing executives at Beacon and chose only to identify them by their former government titles.
	If your partner brought someone around there and said, oh this is my sister's friend Derek and didn't mention that they had had a long-lasting love affair with Derek, I'd say you mentioned that it was your sister's friend.
	What you didn't tell me is that you had a long relationship with them.
	Why was that?
	Is it because you maybe thought that that would bias my impression of that person if you'd given us that one bit of information?
	Yeah, I thought I would keep that back.
	Let's not make this about that I went out with Derek, my sister's friend Derek.
	Telling you that someone's a government official and not mentioning that they've got strong ties to Raytheon and Lockheed Martin seems like a pretty deliberate choice to me, doesn't it?
	So let's follow that line.
	Right, they didn't tell us that, why?
	Oh, because then we'd think that the information that was given us was biased towards spending more money on, like, Raytheon products and Lockheed Martin products?
	Hmm.
	What does that mean more generally?
	Oh, well, they benefit from war?
	Right.
	So in conflict situations, what type of attitude are they going to take?
	Probably like a pro-war stance.
	Right.
	So what should we make sure we include in our analysis of the situation?
	The potential that the war's not actually for the reason that they're saying it is, is probably for another reason, potentially for another reason.
	And finally, what the hell are we going to do about Derek?
	Forgive him?
	NBC's Israel News coverage has also relied on executives at WestExec Advisors, a defense industry consulting firm that was founded by former Obama administration officials, including Antony Blinken, who now serves as Biden's Secretary of State.
	Do you see a theme developing?
	Do you see what's happening here?
	Again, if you are connected to the loss of life in Gaza or the loss of life in Israel, you are in a tragic situation that I do not feel qualified to comment upon.
	But having people moving between administrations, moving between agencies, advocating for bombing, same as the free speech argument in a way, isn't it?
	Sometimes people go, do you know what we should do?
	Censor people that are saying something that I disagree with.
	And once in a while you think, yeah I'd love people, do you know what I'd like to see censored?
	People attacking me.
	I wish people would censor that.
	But actually, free speech is more important to me.
	Because it's a principle.
	It's a principle.
	The whole problem that we have in the world right now is no one's got any values, no one's got any principles, not when it comes to the top strata of governing the world.
	They will mouth the words of principles and values, but meanwhile, undisclosed connections to Raytheon and Lockheed Martin.
	Without transparency, without clarity, without a legacy media with values and principles, and let's face it, we don't have one, we're never going to navigate our way through this treacherous swamp.
	WestExec has advised the aerospace manufacturer Boeing, which provides GPS guidance bomb kits to Israel.
	According to American Prospect, WestExec has also represented the Israeli artificial intelligence company Windward, which provides surveillance on ships in real time.
	On October 15th, NBC's Meet the Press invited Ambassador Dennis Ross, a former special assistant to Obama and senior advisor at WestExec, to discuss why Israel has shifted its approach to Hamas and has been preparing to launch a ground invasion in Gaza.
	The news outlet did not note Ross' affiliation with WestExec.
	Let's make this for a moment about the legacy media.
	When they spend money and time investigating a particular phenomena or presenting a particular issue, do you follow the trajectory of where it's leading?
	Could that trajectory be attack dissenting voices, close down independent media?
	Because here, they've got an opportunity to do some investigating.
	I don't see them doing that.
	This is coming from independent media, the reporting that we're using here.
	On CNN, NBC, the BBC, the New York Times, essentially what we understand as a legacy media, they're not saying, wait a minute, it seems that some of these voices that we're platforming and showcasing have a vested interest in particular outcomes that could be, I don't want to be cynical now, connected to profit, or dominion, or a unipolar strategy that would advance globalist interests.
	They're not saying that, are they?
	Why is that?
	Well, you know the answer, of course, because they are part of that strata.
	They are it.
	You cannot get objectivity from people that are vested in it.
	The reason they would never say, listen, sorry, before you tell us whether or not we should bomb someone or blow something up, just do you sell things that bomb people and blow people up?
	Well, yes, actually I do.
	The reason they can't ask that question is because their affiliation with that is total.
	It's total enmeshment, total immersion.
	On October the 16th, former CIA director John Brennan, a principal at WestExec, appeared on MSNBC alongside Bash, the Beacon consultant.
	The interview was conducted by MSNBC host and former Biden White House press secretary Jen Psaki, who previously worked as a senior advisor at WestEx and also handled crisis communications for the Israeli facial recognition company Any Vision.
	Jen Psaki, Remember the number of times you saw Jen Psaki come out and say, yeah, this is what we're doing, and no, we're not able to answer that question, and this is what we believe about the pandemic, and Pfizer are doing their best, and this is what we believe, and this is our best information.
	That person represents a set of interests.
	You've just heard those interests listed.
	Jen Psaki's on, I think, MSNBC now doing like Inside with Jen Psaki.
	You better believe it's inside.
	It couldn't be any deeper inside.
	We have We have to debug ourselves from this system.
	We have to just sort of pick it out like the bit in the Matrix where they pull that thing out the back of Neo's head.
	That thing now is MSNBC, CNN, BBC.
	Get that out of your mind so you can see straight that you're being told you're having an agenda amplified that is not beneficial to you, is not beneficial to anything or anyone except the system itself.
	MSNBC did not mention any of these potentially relevant details.
	I wonder why?
	Let's revisit the package we saw at the beginning of this report, now knowing what affiliations each of these individuals have, and know how they don't mention it, and know how the legacy media, who I understand love doing big investigations, don't ask any of those questions.
	Jeremy, I thought this might be the most... Jeremy?
	Not just Jeremy, not your mate Jeremy from next door.
	That's Jeremy Bash with links to Raytheon.
	Significant foreign trip by US president in any recent moment.
	What's your thought on the importance of President Biden's trip?
	It's absolutely incredible that the Commander-in-Chief would travel all the way to a war zone to an ally.
	Okay, I suppose what he's focusing on is the bravery of Joe Biden traveling to an area where there is conflict.
	But what he's not saying is that he has ties to a consultancy firm that itself may be connected with Raytheon.
	That's the number one thing I want to know about that guy right now.
	I don't really care about anything else about him, do you?
	Like, this is about war.
	I want to bring in Leon Panetta.
	Look at Anderson Cooper!
	Oh, serious, serious.
	I'm doing something serious from a serious place at a time of seriousness.
	And now the one thing I could say that would be of some use to you, I'm not gonna say.
	This person has connections to the military-industrial complex.
	Formerly the U.S.
	Secretary of Defense under President Obama.
	Secretary Panetta, appreciate you being with us.
	See Anderson Cooper introducing this dude with all of this gravitas.
	It's Leon Panetta.
	He worked with Barack Obama.
	What a great time that was for America.
	What he doesn't say is this guy works for Beacon that have ties to Boeing that make weapons.
	So just hold that thought in your mind while he's talking and see if that's influencing anything he's saying.
	I understand kind of Israel's reaction to this.
	We had the same reaction after 9-11.
	If we had our time again, and some say that we might, Nietzsche for one, would we do the exact same thing after 9-11?
	Was that broadly a success?
	Let me know in the chat.
	We were going to go after the terrorists who were involved in 9-11, and we did.
	It took a while.
	Took a while, and it took a lot of money, didn't it?
	It's interesting, there was a massive long war with Afghanistan, an expensive disastrous war with Iraq, actions in Yemen and Syria ongoing, all an absolute disaster.
	Unless, I suppose, you looked at it from the perspective of, say, Boeing, or Raytheon, or Lockheed Martin, then that was a kind of golden age.
	Welcome back, the panel is here.
	NBC News Chief Washington Correspondent and Foreign Affairs Correspondent, Andrea Mitchell.
	Ambassador Dennis Ross, former Special Envoy to the Middle East and an NBC News Foreign Affairs Analyst.
	He's a special, he's a special envoy.
	What's so special about him?
	Well, one thing that's special is he's not telling you that he's a Senior Advisor at WestExec.
	Is that relevant?
	I don't know.
	Let's see what he says and see if it's a bit West Execi.
	The sheer absence of even a shred of humanity has shocked Israel and basically said we now have ISIS living next door.
	Conflating those events with ISIS.
	Let me say once more that the suffering of Israeli people and however they may emotionally and physically respond to that is beyond my comprehension.
	But what's within my comprehension is that dude works for WestExec and he just tied this issue to ISIS, which I don't think was in order to condemn the action severely, but to facilitate potential ongoing activity that will be profitable.
	Former CIA Director John Brennan, you've worked in national security, you've worked in the field.
	John Brennan, you've done a lot of things.
	Let me give you an exhaustive list of things that John Brennan's done.
	Well, he's done this great thing, and that great thing.
	He's worked in a field, apparently.
	He's done a lot.
	That's it!
	Can't think of anything else.
	I'm a journalist, after all, on MSNBC.
	Nope, that's the end of my investigation.
	Oh, also, are you a principal at West Exec...?
	Hey, come on!
	This is the news!
	How did Israel's vaunted intelligence network and military and the U.S.
	not see this coming?
	That's a good question, Andrea, and I think there were a lot of failures that led up to this.
	Clearly, the Israelis didn't have the either human or technical sources that gave them insight into this.
	Oh.
	Oh no, it's an advert!
	It's an advert!
	But we're worried about, oh my god, there's people on both sides suffering, this is terrible, this is terrible, how do we... You can see that perspective, you can see that perspective.
	Well, here's another perspective from WestExec.
	They should have spent more money on tech.
	Oh, okay.
	What would they say?
	What's their defence here?
	I mean, they've got incredible defence, let's face it.
	But what would their defence be?
	Well, of course, if you've worked in the military, of course, you're going to work at WestExec.
	Of course, you're going to go on Legacy Media.
	But is this the best version?
	Is this it?
	Should we stop trying now?
	Do you want to stop trying?
	Or do you think we could go, hey, declare your interests.
	Stop presenting this as neutral information.
	Because how are we in this incredible, complex time that seems unmanageable, so complex and tangled that you can't even talk about it without risk of hurting somebody?
	How is it going to be resolved by having people that profit directly from a perpetuation of the situation being the only voices that you hear?
	Because this is such a contentious subject to even discuss, let's use an example from recent memory.
	During the pandemic, do you remember how many times legacy media broadcasters Got Albert Baller, CEO of Pfizer, onto the TV and said, like, so how great is the vaccine?
	It's fantastic.
	Yes, it's 98% effective.
	But OK, that's brilliant.
	And we're so glad that this effective vaccine has been born.
	Hope that the one you trialed is the one we're getting, by the way.
	But can you just tell us once more how you're not making any profit from this, like you said at the beginning?
	Oh, actually, we're going to make record profits.
	OK, I'm just going to put that on my notes as a journalist, along with some of the other information, just in case it comes relevant later.
	Many of the retired military leaders employed by the networks as paid contributors have secondary affiliations that are rarely if ever mentioned, leaving viewers in the dark about whose interests they're promoting.
	You can say that again.
	But I won't, because, well, we believe in not wasting your time.
	Unlike the legacy media.
	None of the leading networks, ABC, CBS, CNN, NBC and MSNBC, makes a regular practice of announcing its military analysts' financial ties to the Pentagon, connections that could colour their on-air comments.
	Not only colour it, absolutely define it.
	Former military officials played a key role in promoting the Bush administration's policies before and after the US invasion of Iraq in 2003.
	So this is just common practice.
	This is how these matters are handled.
	As documented by the New York Times in 2008, the Pentagon orchestrated the commentary of 75 former officers who served Many of the retired officers who appeared on TV worked for companies that counted on military contracts, creating a built-in conflict that news organizations didn't mention when introducing the analysts.
	is to amplify and propagate the interests of the establishment.
	Here you see that in real time.
	Many of the retired officers who appeared on TV worked for companies that counted on military contracts,
	creating a built-in conflict that news organisations didn't mention
	when introducing the analysts.
	Of course not.
	They couldn't even investigate what's happening in front of their face.
	They can't even go, what's that?
	What is that?
	They just accept what it is.
	The larger issue is whether viewers or readers are adequately informed about where pundits are coming from on matters of life and death, said Mandy Smithberger, director of the Center for Defense Information at the Project on Government Oversight.
	We ain't got time to investigate matters of life and death.
	We're too busy promoting Pfizer and war.
	I mean, the perfect situation for the legacy media would be one side throwing vaccines and the other one throwing bombs.
	Who would win?
	Probably the bomb side.
	Particularly if the vaccine side start taking that stuff.
	When there is so much public concern about these wars, including among veterans, it becomes that much more important for people to know what the financial connections are, she said.
	News organisations should absolutely disclose this.
	It could change the conversation around war, if people were aware of who was profiting from it.
	That's why it's not happening.
	I don't know, does it change your perspective?
	Regardless if you are affiliated with a particular side in this terrible, terrible conflict, does knowing that people have an agenda beyond their declared, oh, we're doing what's right for America, our allies, or whatever the hell it is they're saying, does it help you have a better position?
	It helps me, I'll tell you that, in some ways.
	In other ways, it makes me so terrified about the nature of reality.
	I want to go and live on an island in space.
	Appearing on Fox News the week of Joe Biden's withdrawal from Afghanistan was retired four-star general Jack Keane.
	What neither Keane nor the host mentioned is that he is more than merely a patriotic interest in the continued occupation.
	Huh.
	Keane, a former board member of weapons maker General Dynamics, is chair of AM General, the company that makes Humvees.
	He also sits on the boards of CYLUM Technologies Incorporated, which manufactures military chemical lights and other
	technology deployed on the battlefield in Afghanistan, and the Institute for the Study of War.
	A think tank that publishes defense policy proposals with the aim of developing the next generation of national
	security leaders.
	That think tank is only thinking thoughts that leads to profit.
	What are you thinking now in the old tank?
	I'm thinking we should spend some more money on this tank and have them everywhere all over the world, all the time, like in Afghanistan, in unwinnable perpetuated wars.
	That is good.
	That is good.
	Hey, I like you.
	Come on inside the tank!
	And it's backed by CACI International Inc., General Dynamics and other defense contractors.
	So it's not just an independent think tank thinking whatever thoughts are better for the world.
	It's thinking thoughts that lead to profit for General Dynamics and CACI.
	That's how it works.
	Keen was just one of a parade of ex-military and ex-public officials who appeared on cable news that week.
	Jim Narakis, an editor of Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting, or FAIR, a progressive media watchdog, said such conflicts of interest put a premium on potential atrocities over existing ones.
	The imaginary future bloodshed of the Taliban has so much more emotional weight in the coverage than the actual people who have been killed by the US in the last 20 years, he said.
	There's a symbiotic relationship between media outlets who need sources, the weapons industry that needs favourable news coverage, and the former military officials who need jobs, and it all works together.
	It all works together incredibly well.
	So well, in fact, that we, the people, have an obligation to look at this information with a degree of objectivity.
	Again, I'm not talking to those of you that are emotionally affected by this terrible conflict.
	To expect objectivity of you at a time like this would be absurd.
	For the rest of us, though, that are taking sides due to various social, cultural, online pressures, perhaps we could incorporate into our understanding and potential biases that there There are some serious biased voices out there being presented to you as news by legacy news media that elsewhere likes to present themselves as real investigators getting to the truth, getting to the bottom of all these mysteries like it's Scooby-Doo and the guys in the back of a van.
	When in fact what they are doing is amplifying the messaging of people that profit from conflict
	without due regard or the necessary respect for those of you and those of us that are
	being directly affected by this war.
	They're losing their lives as a result of their omni-wars all over the world.
	They're showing no sign of ending.
	Why could that be?
	Well let me put this to you, beloved awakened wonders.
	Is it possible that for them, forever wars are not a crisis at all, but a business, a
	very successful business?
	And all the better if it generates crisis, conflict, argument, confusion, bafflement
	and despair among the population who are forced to find a way to pick sides, to post the correct
	post, who can't think straight even if they're not actually directly affected religiously,
	ideologically or nationally by the conflict, having to show alliance and allegiance.
	Meanwhile, the true power continues undeclared Unaffected, able to profit, not asked the relevant questions by a legacy media who claim authority when in my view they should have none.
	But that's just what I think.
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