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July 12, 2023 - Stay Free - Russel Brand

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Tate & Tucker GONE VIRAL! | What It REALLY Means… - #166 - Stay Free With Russell Brand

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	i should probably stop In this video, you're going to see the future.
	Hello there, you Awakening Wonders.
	Thanks for joining us for Stay Free with Russell Brand in a week that will surely go down in history, just because they all do.
	I think that's how they do history.
	They've got to keep a record of it.
	It's part of their job, isn't it?
	They archive it.
	They archive it.
	If you're watching us on YouTube, we'll be here on your channel, you Awakened Wonders, for about 15 minutes before slinking off.
	all wry and sly to rumble the home of free speech. Why?
	Because we'll be talking about Jordan Peterson versus YouTube, we'll be delving into the
	Tucker and Tate-tate-tate as I'm calling it lately, and we'll be having a real in-depth look
	at the current social media ban that the White House, through the...
	through the Department of Justice are demanding.
	But do you want to be censored?
	Do you need censorship?
	Are you too stupid to decide for yourself what your own moral center might look like?
	And what authority structures could you ever trust?
	Particularly when you see these goons all lining up for a photograph.
	Did you see that there's the NATO, what's it called, Vilnius?
	They discuss how well this war's not going with when we're supporting Russia.
	I mean Ukraine, I mean Russia, I mean Ukraine, I mean Iraq.
	Ah, sorry, it is confusing.
	So here they are doing the NATO family photo and it's such a festival of awkwardness.
	Although I will say Joe Biden doesn't stand out as particularly in it.
	He does pretty well actually.
	Yeah he does, he sort of stays with the herd but they should of and I think in our country we go cheese!
	That's what we do in Britain.
	I don't know what you do in America, like maybe you sort of choose something.
	What do you lot say in a photograph to sort of create a moment?
	Because a photograph is an acknowledgement of a unified place and moment in time.
	For this moment, we are NATO.
	Look at them standing here all shifty and feckless.
	Let's have a look at the footage.
	That's our one.
	That guy's there next to Biden.
	Then there's this poor, glum character.
	Are you surprised about how few of them you know there are?
	Well, yeah, but I tell you what, that stage is having to get bigger and bigger every year, isn't it?
	Right, another one in NATO!
	You made a deal!
	You told us no more people!
	Come on, another person you're in NATO!
	I don't even have a country!
	Ah, come on!
	Illinois, Russia!
	Join us!
	Game on!
	But I am from Russia!
	Now you can come in!
	Come and join us!
	You'll love this!
	Your Excellencies, for the family photo, we would invite you to look at the central camera for eight seconds.
	His face, he touched his face.
	Nervous, liar.
	Where was, did you see Trudeau?
	Yeah, Trudeau was on the end.
	Was he?
	He won't like that.
	He won't like that Trudeau.
	He sees himself very much at the centre, Denny Trudeau.
	Which would you recognise?
	Tell us in the chat who you recognise.
	Press the red button on the screen and let us know which ones you know.
	Thank you.
	Macron. Is that Macron? He's annoyed. I'm annoyed by all of them. Just by looking at them.
	Look at Alwyn trying too hard. Alwyn's Rishi Sunak, Giza, Red Tire at the front.
	We should turn this into a game of Guess Who?
	Guess Who's in charge of what? Click, click, click, click, click, click, click.
	You're going down, you're going down. Is your 1C now?
	Yep. Down you go.
	Does your one have strong affiliations with the WEF?
	Click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, Let's have a look at the rest of these nerds.
	No, they just all wander off.
	They all just wander off like a cluster of Bidens.
	That's the real cluster bomb, this little cluster F word.
	Got those cluster bombs to work out, haven't they?
	Got a few deals to do.
	Right, how are we going to justify that a couple of years ago, or a year ago in fact, we said that if Russia used cluster bombs they would be criminals and now we're going to sell Ukraine cluster bombs because it's necessary and we've got no choice.
	How do they do that?
	Blinken says Ukraine would be defenceless.
	Without cluster bombs.
	I suppose the only way you can justify a cluster bomb is by saying that to not have cluster bombs would be worse than having them.
	No matter how bad something is, if not having it will be worse, then you've almost got no choice to do it.
	This is the Orwellian, neuro-linguistic programming, hypnotic state that we're being invited to live in.
	Secretary of State Antony Blinken on Tuesday defended Biden administration's decision to arm Ukraine We've widely banned cluster munitions, which have a devastating impact on civilians.
	The US is providing Ukraine with cluster munitions in the form of 155mm artillery shells.
	Blinken said, without the cluster bombs, Ukraine would be defenceless because the US and NATO are running out of regular ammunition.
	Didn't you think about this?
	I'll tell you what happened there.
	I'll tell you what you've done.
	You've gone to war with Russia.
	Russia who don't lose wars because Russia are Dangerous, mad, hard people that just go on and on and on as Napoleon found out, as Hitler found out, and as NATO, excuse me, sorry, Ukraine.
	Listen, of course it's been a criminal invasion.
	The slaughter of Ukrainian people in this ludicrous counter-offensive ought to be ended at once.
	I'm not a military expert, but I listen to people who are, like Jeffrey Sachs, who told me that this is what was going to happen, told us the reasons why it happened, infringement on former NATO territories, and while then Then big quads are standing around at NATO, blinking at the camera, staring for eight seconds.
	People are dying at a rate of a thousand a day.
	Exactly that.
	And this is like candid admission that this is not sustainable, that this war isn't sustainable.
	But then when you have Joe Biden saying, we'll keep backing you for as long as it takes, and then last month Anthony Blinken, the same person, dismissing calls for a ceasefire, saying the US will focus its efforts on arming Ukraine and not attempting to bring the war to a negotiated settlement.
	Then you're like, well, hang on, what is it?
	Is it that we need to keep supplying these war criminal weaponry because they're running out of ammunition?
	Or is it we're just going to keep doing this for as long as it takes to annihilate Everyone?
	Do you remember when Trump did the CNN town hall that they immediately regretted doing and the interviewer kept pushing him to say, who do you want to win?
	Who do you want to win?
	What?
	Is this a schoolyard scrap or is this a geopolitical conflict which could take us to a nuclear war?
	And what did Trump keep saying?
	Trump kept saying, I just want the war to stop.
	I want people to stop dying.
	I watched that clip again recently and I thought, wow, like a little while ago, if this was a verified figure of the liberal establishment, like if that was Obama saying that, You'd go, of course, of course, that's the issue.
	Of course, that's the issue.
	Well, they would have had a stunning ovation as well.
	Yeah, right.
	Hey, I have another Nobel Peace Prize.
	Go on, get that down there.
	Go and give the Yemen a good drubbing from the sky, for God's sake.
	It's outrageous.
	It's got out of control.
	Like, later this week, we're speaking to the Sound of Freedom people, and we've reached the point where cluster bombs are good one minute, bad the next minute.
	The cluster bomb, how do you know if it's good or bad?
	It depends who it's blowing up.
	It's become difficult to know what the truth is.
	It's become difficult to sustain one central cultural space.
	A film like Sound of Freedom, criticised because of QAnon affiliations, but there's nothing about QAnon in the film.
	This is something I'll be discussing with an interview that you'll see soon between me and Saga and Jetty that you'll enjoy.
	And also, if you're gonna criticise a film for its affiliations, for the people that are involved in either starring in it or making it, then you're gonna have to do a lot of examining of people in Hollywood.
	Hey, these Miramax movies don't look so good after the Weinstein revelations.
	What about American Sniper?
	Which was like, you know, as the brilliant Scottish comedian Frankie Boyle said, was Star Wars from the perspective of a stormtrooper.
	A really difficult time and I suppose that this is something we have to look at as well.
	After our, we're going to call it a world exclusive, groundbreaking interview with Tucker Carlson, Tucker Carlson has released his conversation with Andrew Tate and again I suppose this is one of those conversations that brings censorship To the fore!
	Where do you stand on this?
	Where do you stand on the subject of Andrew Tate?
	I guess you're going to find some people that think that he's a sort of a vital and invigorating voice in the culture war space, and some people that think they don't like Andrew Tate, and particularly with these outstanding allegations.
	I suppose these are part of the conversation, but until there's a Judicial conclusion around those matters.
	I suppose these are something where views have to be suspended Maximum Titus 444 says she don't align with his views blessed old bird says he's a bit rude But we had a look at some aspects of the conversation and it seems to me like these are the kind of conversations that culture has an obligation to have how are we going to progress without I think the thing is as well is actually one of the things he does mention in this interview with Tucker is how the culture war has been used and I think that's something we can all agree on that these matters are used in a way to keep us distracted and talking about things that aren't as important necessarily that are important in their own way but aren't necessarily as important as for example cluster bombs you know so you'll get the media
	Talking about Andrew Tate for whatever reasons that that is, whilst not reporting on the fact that we're sending cluster bombs and that that was constituted as a war crime.
	Kip1 says on our locals chat, and if you're watching this on Rumble, why don't you join us over here on locals?
	It's a fantastic conversation.
	This person said, I find Andrew Tate a bit arrogant, but I don't think he should be censored.
	Natasha Lee says Tate does understand the CIC but I think he may play it up to his advantage.
	I suppose that where we are now is it's necessary to be able to have conversations, it's necessary to have moral authority somewhere in cultural life, whether that's in media, the electoral process or the judiciary.
	We're experiencing a time where there is a cataclysmic loss of trust in our institutions and that is no doubt in part because of bureaucrats Posing like mob bosses.
	You perhaps have heard of the EU Commissioner Thierry Breton.
	He may look like your grandma, he may look like a well-groomed Colonel Sanders, but by God, he talks like Don Corleone.
	He's a man that struck terror into the heart of Elon Musk when he said that if social media platforms don't comply with EU edicts, they will be fined a significant sum from their annual turnover.
	This is how censorship goes global.
	This is how censorship becomes legal.
	This is how the kind of conversations that we have will become shut down.
	We're talking about the advent now of digital currencies.
	We're talking about censorship at a global level.
	We're talking about a global situation where bureaucratic bodies who have never been elected
	will have the ability to censor you using your money to shut you down
	and then control your access to currency.
	This social credit score dystopia that was dreamed of as a black,
	a little more than a black mirror plot 18 months ago is now being legislated for.
	It's being bought into your reality.
	What strikes me, Gareth, in particular about our man Thierry Breton
	is the sort of provocative language, the aggressive language,
	we will shut you down if you don't comply.
	When did government officials start talking to the people that pay them like that?
	Yeah, exactly, and what he's doing at the moment, and basically when Macron recently,
	who we literally just saw enjoying his time at NATO, has threatened to shut down social media
	for what he says is highlighting irresponsibly footage of rioting, or you could say protesting.
	It depends how you want to frame that.
	And so Macron's threat was to shut down social media and what Breton has now said is that will be something that under these new EU laws we'll be able to do.
	So the French people are protesting because they're unhappy about the French administration.
	They're unhappy that they're not able to vote on significant issues.
	They're unhappy that France appears to be run by globalist corporate interests.
	One piece of language I saw around it is we can't have a situation where people are rioting, where people are killing other people, where people are burning cars.
	You could see how rhetorically the idea of killing and burning starts to be equated and assimilated into the idea of dissent and protest.
	Tell us how you feel about that.
	Use your free speech while you can.
	If you're watching us on Rumble, click the red button and join us on Locals.
	If you're watching us on YouTube, you're going to have You have to join us in a second because we're going to talk about Jordan Peterson's recent ban and his publication of the email that informed him of why he has been censored.
	And let us know how you feel about this.
	Let us know how you feel that increasingly it seems that platforms like this are going to be regulated, legislated by unelected government officials in the case of YouTube.
	But platform, my love, if you're one of our 6.5 million awakening wonders, let me reiterate my love for you and my gratitude towards the platform.
	But it has to be said that when it comes to matters related to COVID and the pandemic, they still use WHO guidelines to this day to inform their own community guidelines.
	So WHO As you know, are lobbying for the ability to impose legislation on your country without electoral process, extract 5% of your nation's health budget into their coffers.
	These are not normal times.
	The idea that we were moving towards a new world order with a centralised globalist authority that was unelected and immovable is becoming evident.
	It's emerging from the fugue of bureaucracy that's clearly being sprayed and splayed now.
	Yeah, exactly.
	What you said there, Ross, the word used by Breton there was revolt.
	When there is hateful content, content that calls, for example, for revolt, but also calls for killing and burning of cars, they will be required to delete the content.
	Obviously, revolt is something that is very different from killing and the burning of cars, but it's being conflated into the same thing.
	Just to let you know of the kind of very real consequences of this, Breton has also revealed that in response to this, Mark Zuckerberg, CEO of Meta, as we know, has hired an additional 1,000 censors.
	As a result of these new laws.
	But they're booking in more censors now!
	It's hired an additional 1,000 more censors.
	So again, when we were talking about threads recently, and about the way in which people have already been blacklisted and greylisted, this is happening.
	And when they're talking about it being a more friendly place, and a place that, you know, we can all get along, which isn't the case with Twitter, what that does mean, is manifesting here, is 1,000 new censors have joined Meta as a result.
	They want you to be neutered, devoid of vigour.
	They want you to prize congeniality, conviviality, friendliness above vitality.
	All of us would agree that a friendly, congenial atmosphere is beneficial, that we should be speaking to one another in good faith.
	But the answer to that is not to create more censorship and more authority,
	it's to recognize that it cannot be achieved through censorship.
	That there will always be a degree of hateful language, because, do you know what? Human beings have hatred within
	us.
	We cast a shadow, the light casts a shadow.
	The solution that they are presenting to the problem of being human
	is to the opposite of what's required, the opposite of devolution, the opposite of decentralization, the opposite of more
	democracy, more authority, less personal ownership.
	What they're trying to create is a world where we are impotent cells,
	devoid of autonomy, devoid of personal autonomy.
	That surely can't be the solution, but it's certainly the solution they're heading towards.
	Even at the level of finance.
	One of the few areas where we have control over our lives is our ability to control our own currency.
	And remember, when cryptocurrencies were launched, these cryptocurrencies are dangerous.
	They're bad for the environment.
	They're being used by lunatics.
	Conspiracy theories.
	The way they talk about a film like Sound of Freedom, which I've yet to watch, but you're going to love my interview with Jim Caviezel and Tim Ballard.
	A fantastic conversation with them.
	Oh, this film is QAnon.
	You know, I don't know, man.
	I don't know how they're packaging Loss of freedom as somehow advantageous to the people that are directly affected by it.
	Let's have a look at this report on the emergence of the digital dollar, which right now, 50% of the world's countries are either introducing or piloting.
	This isn't pie in the sky.
	This is stuff that's being brought about soon.
	It's coming to a bank account like yours very soon.
	And the same way the Canadian truckers had their bank accounts shut down, that could be any one of us next.
	And the old adage, if you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to lose.
	Well, that's going to become less and less relevant because you don't know what you've got to hide, because they can change the rules whenever they want, just like that.
	Let's have a look at this on the mainstream.
	Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell told the House Financial Services Committee in March that the Fed had already begun testing a digital dollar.
	What we're doing is experimenting in kind of an early stage experimentation.
	How would this work?
	Does it work?
	What's the best technology?
	What's the most efficient?
	Just like paper dollars, a central bank digital currency, or CBDC, would be issued by the Federal Reserve.
	Those pushing for it say it would have several advantages over physical money.
	They say it could be used to fight inflation because the Fed would have more direct control over the money supply.
	It could speed up transaction payments and help fight money laundering.
	...convenience, fighting against crime.
	Let me know in the comments if you have seen these arguments used again and again to advance models of centralized authority.
	A total of 130 countries representing 98% of the global economy are now exploring digital versions of their currencies with almost half in advanced development, pilot or launch stages.
	A closely followed study shows This is what's happening in our country, the UK, Gareth, and we were fascinated when we learned this earlier.
	A digital version of the British Pound, one of the greatest currencies the Lord ever did create, may feature a way to verify the holder's age and citizenship status.
	potentially smoothing the purchase of alcohol and tobacco and transactions with government
	agencies. So of course anyone would accept that they don't want children smoking or drinking
	alcohol but I like the point you made earlier Gareth about how a digital currency could
	just be a replica of physical currency and yet it isn't.
	What do you think's happening there?
	Well, I just think, where does this stop?
	You know, first of all, it's like, okay, it's, uh, gonna hold your age.
	Okay, my age, I guess, fine.
	Uh, my citizenship status.
	Okay, where are we going with that now?
	Right, now we want your health details.
	When did you wash your wig, Keith?
	When did you?
	But you know, we've talked about vaccine passports.
	That was actually just my question.
	Oh, I see.
	That's not the digital currency.
	It was this morning.
	Well done, that's pretty good.
	That's a bloody good routine.
	I think so.
	And you can put that on your new Britcoin.
	I do that every day.
	That's just standard.
	So you've got nothing to hide!
	You have nothing to hide!
	Thanks Ross.
	No but obviously a lot of the controversy around vaccine passports at the time was what else?
	Where does this lead to?
	What other things?
	Basically we get into the point where the government are going to know kind of everything about us just from what we spend and also what we were talking about earlier is that now the danger with this is that they're not going to have to go to corporations anymore.
	They're not going to have to say What are these people spending their money on?
	Are they attending a Donald Trump rally?
	What are they buying here?
	They literally will have direct access to that now.
	Free speech is being equated with hate speech.
	Privacy is being equated with criminality.
	The ability for private and commercial entities, vast in stature and size, for their ability to track and observe your private transactions is now being given to the government.
	The government that whether you voted for them or not, they're here to stay.
	I don't remember handing over that degree of authority.
	Isn't it time for a massive renegotiation when it comes to our relationship with the state?
	Don't all of us really at this point want as little government as possible?
	The maximum amount of democracy for there only to be regulatory funding when it comes to The necessary municipal things that we can share in as a community.
	Are we going to leave YouTube now?
	I've just got the message.
	We've got to leave YouTube because we're going to talk about censorship now.
	We're going to continue to talk about the control of currency, but we're also going to talk about the Jordan Peterson hate speech strike and the taking down of his content from YouTube.
	So even though we love you guys, you 6.5 million awakening wonders, you've got to click the link in the description.
	Join us over in the other space so we can speak freely and free most of all from hate.
	See you in a second.
	Now, if you're watching us on Rumble, press the red button now and join us in the locals chat because we really get into it in there.
	It's a fantastic community of people.
	Lovely little darlings.
	Rational anarchy.
	There they are.
	Apologetic pests.
	They're all chatting away to each other right now.
	Do you want to say anything else about this digital currency before we look at the Jordan Peterson pulldown?
	Well, because I think it's all linked, ultimately.
	I mean, we've got a situation here with Jordan Peterson whereby some more of his content has been removed.
	What is it?
	Well, this one is particularly around the trans issue, trans when ideology meets reality.
	So you can understand, you can see why YouTube has removed it from that perspective in that they've got guidelines around this, as we know, WHO guidelines and lots of other guidelines that they have.
	But I think the issue, one of the issues with this, as Jordan Peterson points out, is YouTube pointing to the episode as a violation of its hate speech policy without specifying which parts triggered the policy breach.
	Thing is, last month they also deleted an interview with Robert F. Kennedy.
	So, we are getting to the point where Jordan Peterson and Robert F. Kennedy are now in this kind of on-good version of people, you know, that Matt Taibbi has spoken so much about.
	We've got to the stage where it's good people and on-good people and it's whether or not they're saying something that we disagree with or just that them as a person says things that we generally don't like.
	We're now going to view them in a different way.
	I like the language around this particularly.
	Hey, Jordan B. Peterson, we have reviewed your appeal for the following, and then it sort of lists and describes the episode.
	We've viewed your content carefully and have confirmed that it violates our hate speech policy.
	We know this is probably disappointing news, but it's our job to make sure that YouTube is a safe place for all.
	How does this impact your content?
	We won't be putting your content back up on YouTube.
	Now, when it comes to the issue in particular here, I've had, and you can watch it, I think it's still up, conversations with Jordan Peterson about that, and I have a very different view to Jordan Peterson on this particular subject.
	I disagree with Jordan Peterson on that matter.
	He knows that.
	We've discussed it.
	It's a matter of public record.
	I'm not saying that in a grandiose way, I'm just saying you can watch me arguing with him.
	Yeah, and you're allowed to have different views, and that's great.
	And the fact that you both respect each other and can have really good conversations about this is surely what this is all about.
	How can it do anything but bring people closer together?
	What I feel is dangerous is when a bureaucratic intervention is undertaken, particularly in such sort of peculiarly genteel tones.
	This, for me, is what the next incarnation of fascism might look like.
	That we're used to the old model of fascism, the badges, the lurid colours, the marching, the overt militarism.
	But what seems to be happening now is that cosy, sort of mark two, bureaucracy underscored fascism is entering the conversation.
	Much more Huxley than Orwell.
	Much more barely sentient blobs sat in a pod consuming Soma rather than the grinding of the jackboot in the face.
	In this culture, we're snuggling up to the jackboot.
	We're seeing the jackboot as a protector rather than an authoritarian adversary.
	Even though, in this instance, I would probably have a view closer to the censor than Jordan Peterson on trans issues.
	I'm just guessing because I've not seen the video, because I can't see the video.
	I still think that you should be able to have that conversation.
	And the same is true of Tucker Carlson and Andrew Tate.
	Whether or not you agree with Andrew Tate, whether or not you have questions about Andrew Tate, you almost have to see him as a signal of something that's happening in the culture.
	And then you have to perhaps ask the questions, what do you think the system is threatened by?
	Do you think they really care about misogyny?
	Like, because if they do, then how did we just have a century of the objectification and commodification of women?
	Why does the advertising industry still use bodies as a commodity and as a product?
	It still does it.
	It wants its cake and eat it.
	It wants to pose as moral while retaining authority.
	I feel that we have to move towards a culture that, criminality aside, whether that's hate speech or the abuse of other individuals, We're gonna have to recognise that people are wanting to run their lives and their communities in different ways, progressive, traditional or otherwise.
	No one has, not now, the moral authority, not this Breton geezer, not our corporate overlords, not the people at YouTube.
	Where do you want to grant that authority?
	I completely agree with what you just said, but when you mentioned about having a view that was maybe closer to the censors, I don't think that the censor does have an opinion.
	I think that's the thing, is that it's very much top-down.
	These are not a bunch of people who are at YouTube and they're like, well, we're debating this thing, we have these conversations every day, and what we've come is to the conclusion via democracy and via free speech between us all, that these are our policies here at YouTube.
	It's not, it doesn't work like that.
	These are algorithms.
	These are people who are censoring based upon, did that word, was that word said?
	Did this person say it like this?
	Was it Jordan Peterson or was it Robert F. Kennedy?
	These are top-down edicts that are coming in to censor us, which is how exactly we arrived at the place of the Twitter files.
	It was nothing to do with people at Twitter necessarily.
	That was the government.
	Although in the Twitter files cases, Jack Dorsey, when he came on, was saying that he feels there were certain cultural prejudices and even affiliations that were, in a sense, geographical.
	It's San Francisco, Barkley, then people are more generally inclined towards progressivism.
	And of course, all of us ought be able, that's the point, to have our own political affiliations.
	But without principles, without values, you end up censoring people simply because you disagree with them.
	That book wench says here in the chat, can you ever really trust the cat?
	The answer is, I don't.
	I just find that very difficult to answer indeed.
	I suppose like where, like where I am in it is that I'm deeply concerned.
	Are you still talking about the cat?
	Yeah.
	Cause like my one, the way he looks at me sometimes, I've got too many of them as well.
	They're all over my house.
	Cats.
	That one's not live by the way.
	The one in the back of frame of Gareth's.
	Is he there today?
	There he is, that little pale, pastel-level creature.
	Oh, you're talking about me?
	Look at that.
	Look at that disgusting thing!
	Um, listen, um, I want to, um, like, we've agreed censorship's bad and we don't want to have it.
	There you go, that's it, isn't it?
	Um, hey, listen, you know, um, RFK Jr.
	is going to investigate and prosecute Fauci if elected.
	That's exciting, isn't it?
	Will he be able to do that?
	Is he talking about that with Jesse Waters?
	Jesse, is it Waters or Watters?
	Waters.
	You'll never replace Tucker!
	Not in my eyes, you bastard!
	Like, on YouTube, with the censorship, they'll present things, they'll censor things like suicide, like saying the word suicide, it doesn't, so, like, sometimes it is cultural affiliations, and sometimes, as you say, it's algorithm just spotting words.
	Because like, you know, for example, if you do a video on suicide saying, look, this is at times in my life I've been suicidal and this is how I've prevented myself from committing suicide is because of these kind of conversations.
	These guys go, suicide, bad, bad.
	You can't say, fuck.
	I mean, it's extraordinarily sensorial and paternal.
	We've, take drugs, for example, which I know you have done.
	I do take drugs.
	I do take them.
	They're good for you, I tell you.
	We've done videos about drugs, but specifically about talking about the pharmaceutical industry and the way in which, for example, psilocybin has not been something that's been tested much and that has been kind of suppressed due to the way in which there are positive results around psilocybin and PTSD sufferers and the way in which that's helped them without having to subject them to a lifetime of taking pills.
	When you get a video like that demonetized on YouTube or you get a strike against something like that without people recognizing that the context is not what we're not saying is drugs are good you should take loads of drugs irresponsibly but what you're saying is challenging to the pharmaceutical industry that there is a there is a nuance there that needs to be discussed and I think that applies to loads of content that was on YouTube.
	What do you reckon about RFK prosecuting Fauci?
	What's the charge?
	Well, I guess, I mean, obviously, the entire response to the pandemic and the leading up to the pandemic, I think Rauf Carey is more concerned with that, potentially.
	What do you lot think in the chat?
	Let us know.
	Let us know in the chat whether you think has he got a chance?
	What's the charge?
	Can you imagine that?
	And perhaps more importantly, who's going to win in a pull-up competition between Robert F. Kennedy and a little guy I call I Am?
	We've already raised $32,070 a lot.
	I can't even do the number.
	I'm panicking.
	I'm nearly up to the letter D in the money raised.
	I'm trying to mitigate and control that filling up of that.
	I see that as a Pfizer syringe going into RFK's bulbous bicep.
	And I don't want it going in there too quickly.
	Because once that thing's full, then I've got to do that thing with RFK.
	In a way, wouldn't you like to rip the bandaid off and be like, OK, we've reached the amount, this is happening.
	Because at the moment, you're just in this...
	Yeah.
	Living in terrible suspense.
	Purgatory.
	Pull-up Purgatory.
	I mean, pull-up Purgatory, ain't I?
	Listen, if you want to donate, it's kennedy24.com forward slash pull-up to donate.
	No, because I want more time.
	Well, you think it's impossible to get to... No, no.
	I think you're going to do it.
	I'm right behind you.
	How is it going to be... I mean, I'll be right underneath you, probably.
	That's where I need you.
	I need you underneath me, at the knees, pushing me up, especially for that last...
	18 or 19 or so, because that's when it gets really tricky.
	Yeah, I do want to do it.
	I do want to do it.
	I do want to... The thing is, in spite of being inept in many ways, I'm very competitive, man.
	I know you are.
	You're also very fit.
	I am quite fit!
	Yeah, and I think you stand a jolly good chance.
	I've just got to get that last 20 push-ups, pull-ups, sorry, pull-offs.
	Back me guys, make a little donation.
	We'll post the link in both the chats and if you can donate, donate.
	Because the loser has to come to the other person's country.
	If I lose on the off-chance, I have to go to America and help him when he's doing his rallies.
	Wow.
	I'd sort of want to do that.
	That can be your way.
	You can say, I lost on purpose.
	I only lost that on purpose.
	To help you, you poor old sod.
	You poor old duffer.
	I've been pulling up since I was a boy!
	Alright then, listen.
	We're going to talk a little bit more now about how the Department of Justice are being deployed to fight against a federal judge's verdict that the government have been impeding your right to free speech.
	This is outrageous.
	It's disgusting.
	It's impossible.
	It must be stopped.
	Here's the news.
	No, here's the effing news.
	Now, let me hear that.
	No, here's the fucking news.
	The mainstream are in meltdown because Biden's censorship powers are being blocked.
	So why is it they want to censor us?
	Is it because they want to protect our health or is it because they want to protect their authority?
	Even though a federal judge has said you can't keep telling social media companies to censor information on a whim, they're saying we're only doing it to protect the people.
	Those people that we protect and serve.
	Why?
	What other motivation could there be?
	Could it be that democracy primarily operates at the behest of big business, corporation, financial interests, globalism?
	No.
	Surely not.
	Say it ain't so.
	Let me know in the comments.
	Do you believe they're acting on your behalf to protect you from...
	health conditions or do you think they're trying to protect you as Biden and Kareem Jean-Pierre claim?
	Let's see how the mainstream media responded to the horrific news that the Biden administration
	can't censor you at whim because it's against the first amendment.
	Just reading the words in this injunction a quote massive effort by the defendants
	to suppress speech based on content those are the judge's words calling the present case quote
	arguably involves the most massive attack against free speech in the United States history Ellie.
	Yeah.
	It's a dramatic decision by this judge if you read through it.
	He's citing to literature and George Washington and Ben Franklin.
	Yeah, who cares about those guys?
	What relevance have Ben Franklin and George Washington got to American legislation and history?
	I barely remember their names anymore.
	Here's what really is astonishing to me.
	This is a conservative ideology that clearly comes through in this Decision.
	People are genuinely unaware of their own ideology, aren't they now?
	It's like, oh, that's someone else's ideology.
	And what are you basing that on?
	My own ideology, of course.
	Otherwise, it would be invisible to you.
	Where we have to get to as discerning awakening wonders together is, oh, yeah, that's an ideology and that's an ideology.
	I'm not neutral.
	I prefer one ideology.
	They prefer another ideology.
	And in order for me to have this ideology, perhaps they are to be afforded that ideology.
	Now, when it comes to a fundamental principle like free speech, you have to, I think, be rigorous.
	That's why we've made the decisions as a movement that we've made in the last few years.
	We recognised where this was going.
	Hang on a minute.
	If they can censor information without consent, without democracy, how are we going to be able to have conversation?
	As the ideology changes, they're going to censor in accordance with that ideology.
	If there's a pandemic, they're going to use that to legitimise censorship.
	If there's a war, they're going to use that to legitimise censorship.
	They're going to use it all the time to limit, prohibit, control debate.
	We cannot allow that to happen, can we?
	Well, one side wants it.
	So when you're making a measurement and a judgment between the two sides, and you know me, I don't agree with any of the occupants of that system.
	I think ultimately they share the same interests.
	They're interchangeable.
	George W. Bush, now fated and adored.
	Obama, adored by both sides.
	For me, the answers are not coming out of those institutions.
	But the principles, the principle in particular, the one that we're discussing now, free speech, is vital, indefatigable, incontrovertible, non-negotiable.
	It's a conservative political ideology, right?
	We saw some of the quotes questioning vaccines, questioning masks, conservative talking points.
	Yeah, and there's no questions there.
	Let me know in the comments if there were any questions that should have been asked, could have been asked, weren't asked because of censorship, and that turned out to be actually an infringement of your free speech.
	But the ruling itself is the opposite of judicial conservatism.
	This is one of the most aggressive, far-reaching rulings you'll ever see.
	That's amazing.
	This is propaganda live.
	You're watching propaganda live.
	This is aggressive.
	This is not judicial.
	Wait a minute.
	I think they're referring to the constitution and legislation that's in your constitution and saying, hold on, this is against stuff that we've agreed we were never going to do.
	And we can't just change it without changing the entire constitution.
	Because free speech means people are allowed to say what they want.
	There are other crimes, don't incite violence.
	Like those are all covered by other laws.
	But if people are going, oh, excuse me, I wonder if we could see some data.
	That's free speech.
	That's within free speech.
	What this judge is purporting to do is to micromanage, really, the day-to-day interactions between essentially the entire executive branch, all these agencies that are listed as defendants, and the leading social media companies.
	And in the actual temporary injunction, the judge basically says, you're not allowed, administration, to talk to these social media companies about any protected free speech except for cyber security threats, national security threats, criminal threats, That's exactly what it should be, isn't it?
	Unless it's a national security threat, or there's crime, either cyber or literal, mind your own business.
	No one elected you to control their ability to communicate.
	Remember, what's being suggested here is that there's a parental relationship between the state and subjects, which is what we use in the UK.
	Subjects.
	You're subject to rule.
	You're pushed down by rule.
	Now, you might like your parent, you might love mummy or daddy, but you're an adult!
	You should be able to decide for yourself what you read, what you consume.
	This is the assumption.
	People are idiots.
	If you give them a load of information, they won't be able to determine for themselves truth from fiction.
	They get all carried away and do lally, and they start believing in stuff that we don't want them to believe in.
	Now, if you want to live like that, you should be allowed to go and live in a community of, we're the community where we're controlled, please.
	You know, if you want, you carry on with lockdowns.
	If you want, you can stay in your house now.
	If you want to carry on wearing masks forever, wear masks forever.
	You can do what you want, but don't tell other people what to do and say.
	That's what's being proposed here.
	Now, I'm astonished that that's a partisan issue, that that's either right or left.
	How dare he say, this is micromanaging the government.
	How dare you micromanage the government while they micromanage everything we say, while they shut down, in the words of Zuckerberg, debatable or true information.
	That's exactly what it was.
	They were micromanaging.
	They were scrutinizing individual tweets.
	Did you have any idea what the Twitter files revealed?
	They revealed that they were scanning all data.
	Have you any idea what Snowden revealed?
	They're looking at all of your information and data, and if they don't like it, they remove it.
	And if they don't like you, one day, They'll remove you.
	But where's the line?
	Who's going to police this?
	Yeah, who is going to police this?
	Not the government, plainly, because no one trusts them.
	Not the mainstream media, plainly, because no one trusts them.
	There has to be a new way of organizing society.
	That's what's being revealed here.
	This is a judge trying to micromanage the day-to-day, regular activities of the entire executive branch.
	I don't know that it's actually policeable by the judge, but it's really an astonishing... I don't mean this necessarily as a criticism.
	This is a very activist judicial opinion.
	If you watched that and it was an aesthetic that wasn't familiar to you, forgive the simplicity of the terms, but if it was on Russia Today or Al Jazeera, something that had cultural paraphernalia that was different, they were talking a different language, they were wearing religious dress that wasn't common to your country, broadly speaking, you'd go...
	That's propaganda.
	They're saying how dare you micromanage the government.
	This is activism.
	You would recognize it for what it is.
	Propaganda.
	That's propaganda.
	That's CNN.
	Here's another mainstream media report that seems similarly outraged that the government aren't going to censor you.
	Is there a reason we are saying that this is a Trump-appointed judge in particular?
	Is this ruling out of sorts?
	I think you would be able to tell that from just reading it.
	I think, you know, you would be able to correctly guess who this judge was appointed by by just reading this opinion.
	What he's saying there is that you can observe that this is a Trump-appointed judge by virtue of the fact that there's an interest in free speech.
	What the mainstream media are doing in your lifetime, observably, is turning free speech into a right-wing issue.
	When did that happen?
	Like, I'm old enough to remember when free speech was the right to support gay rights, trans rights, civil rights.
	What was it like?
	Was Martin Luther King a right-wing?
	Was Malcolm X right-wing?
	Were the Stonewall protesters right-wing?
	Free speech, the right to free expression, whether that's because you're into trans stuff or whether you're Free speech is transcendent of that.
	That's the point of it.
	That is the point.
	If you say free speech but just over here, guess what that's not?
	Free speech.
	The FBI was encouraging social media companies to take down posts.
	And, you know, the argument, especially in the wake of January 6th, that the FBI was too synced up with Twitter or Facebook or any of these social media companies just sort of flies in the face of reality, because obviously we saw what happened on January 6th itself.
	Let's break this down together.
	That mainstream media pundit has just claimed there can be no collusion between social media and the deep state because January the 6th happened.
	How could January the 6th have happened if there's collusion between the deep state and social media?
	They would have stopped it, is the argument that he's advancing.
	But those of us that have been watching independent media know that there was collusion, and in fact there were agents of the FBI, the Capitol Police, various other law enforcement agencies in that crowd.
	So that actually is an argument that there was collusion between social media.
	So that, again, is propaganda.
	It's more subtle and insidious propaganda than the first piece, but this one is saying January 6th is evidence that there isn't collusion.
	But you might say, no, January 6th is evidence that there is collusion, because we know there are agents there, and we've seen, subsequently, that laws are being passed to give the Capitol Police more money, laws are being passed to shut down protests generally, this will be used to legitimize surveillance.
	Let me know what you think, though.
	Um, you know, the COVID misinformation stuff is a little bit... is a little bit more complicated.
	Do you see how the mainstream media conveys the pandemic period and the role of the government and media in that time is this?
	It's a bit more complicated.
	A handful of words.
	Maybe we might stop and look at how it was a bit more complicated.
	Was it a bit more complicated because vaccine experts, pro-vaccine voices, people that invented vaccines were called anti-vaxxers and shut down?
	Is it true that information was censored but was verifiable?
	Is it true that since then the Twitter files have revealed the depth of deep state intervention and control of information?
	Look at how the mainstream controls that.
	This is their perfect opportunity.
	This is where NBC could say, look, we made mistakes because remember during that period us and affiliated ideologically comparable stations said stuff like horse paste, ivermectin, we should shut it down, these people I think it was sort of to send a message on the 4th of July, right?
	bit of that, suppose that shows you how dangerous censorship of this kind is and
	the government should step back, right? But why don't they make that point?
	Because they have an agenda. They want the censorship because the censorship
	suits them at this time. Might not in the future, at this time the censorship suits
	them. I think it was sort of to send a message on the 4th of July, right? It's
	not that often you get injunctions sent out on that date in the way that this
	155 page sort of... Look at him laughing like those cynical bastards.
	Releasing that information about independent thought and independent communication on Independence Day.
	Is there nothing they won't stoop to?
	But that is a really good point!
	You're meant to be independent!
	On Independence Day!
	That's what Independence Day is celebrating!
	Oh, it was terrible that time when we were controlled by those people that wouldn't listen to us, and taxed us, and controlled us, who were a deracinated, uprooted, ruling class that... Oh no!
	It's us now!
	Judicial filing reads, it's not necessarily something that you think that like, oh, we just happened to finish it on July 4th.
	You know, I had not considered that.
	That's a very good point.
	Yeah, Independence Day.
	You might want to look it up.
	Let's get into it a bit more deeply.
	The Biden administration suffered a major setback on Tuesday morning over its social media policy,
	but so far it appears to be pushing ahead undaunted. Oh good. The Department of Justice
	announced later that day it would appeal the decision, arguing it is necessary and
	responsible to protect public health, safety and security.
	We've already said on this channel many times, safety, security, convenience.
	These are the words they will use to usher in and lubricate the pathway to totalitarianism.
	And by totalitarianism, I mean centralised authority.
	Perhaps totalitarianism is not the right word, but centralised authority.
	Look at exactly what they're saying here.
	How are we to protect you and help you and keep you safe if we can't control everything?
	I wonder why, while the DOJ is reviewing its options, is there any immediate day-to-day impact on the administration's activities here, the White House's activities?
	So we've been very, we've been very kind of consistent.
	She's not been in the job that long, has she?
	Like maybe a year or so.
	Already she's showing signs of that kind of accumulative fatigue that you see public figures accrue when they have to day by day sort of stand in front of people And if not lie, certainly give such a limited, narrow and curated perspective on reality that it takes a toll on the human soul.
	That person there, Karine Jean-Pierre, she's an idealistic person.
	But look what she's got to do every day.
	She's got to stand in front of people and go, what this is, is to protect your health.
	It's not about authority.
	We just want to protect people's health.
	OK, well, can we just look at how in other areas Health protection is prioritised over commerce and dominion.
	Let's look at that in pharmacology, let's look at it in ecology, let's look at it in finance, let's look at it in public wealth management.
	I mean, you just list it again and again and you'll be able to say, oh no, we never ever prioritise public health over commerce and dominion.
	And knowing that, as she must, is exhausting to her because she's a human being.
	We are going to continue to promote responsible actions to protect public health.
	Safety and security when confronted by challenges like a deadly pandemic and foreign attacks in our election, so we're gonna continue To promote that in a responsible way.
	Pandemic and foreign attacks on public elections are two areas now that show more than any two examples I could cite, except perhaps the laptop, that reveal, do not censor, do allow debate.
	That's mad that those are the examples, isn't it?
	Our view remains that social media platforms have a critical responsibility to take action or to take account.
	of the effects of their platforms are having to the American people, but make independent
	Okay.
	choices about the information they present.
	They are a private, as you know, entity, and it is their responsibility to act accordingly.
	And so we're going to continue to be responsible in that way.
	This is from Brett Swanson, non-resident senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute.
	For three years, pandemic public relations mocked nature, generating fear, illness, inflation, and excess death beyond what the virus caused.
	Digital censorship supercharged the effort to hide reality, but reality is getting its day in court.
	Discovery in Missouri v. Biden exposed relationships among government agencies and social media firms and revealed an additional layer of university centres and self-styled disinformation watchdogs and fact-checking outfits.
	Elon Musk's release of some of Twitter's internal files revealed that up to 80 Federal Bureau of Investigation agents were embedded within social media companies.
	The agents mostly weren't fighting terrorism, but flagging wrong-think by American citizens, including eminent scientists who suggested different paths on Covid policy.
	The results of these relationships?
	Twitter blacklisted Stanford physician and economist Jay Bhattacharya for showing COVID almost exclusively threatened the elderly, severely reducing the visibility of his tweets.
	That was good and vital information that would have been helpful.
	That's not propaganda or anti-COVID.
	That's helpful health data, I would argue.
	Let me know in the comments if you agree.
	When Stanford health policy scholar Scott Atlas began advising the White House, YouTube erased his most prominent video opposing lockdowns.
	Twitter banned Robert Malone, a pioneer of mRNA vaccine technology, for calling attention to the vaccine's dangers.
	Robert Malone, for me and you, that's a name we've known for ages, right?
	And you're like, hold on, isn't this guy, didn't he invent it?
	How can he be anti if you, like, Ronald McDonald is not anti-McDonald, is he?
	You can't trust Ronald McDonald.
	That guy hates McDonald's and is against them.
	YouTube demonetized evolutionary biologist Brett Weinstein, who suggested the virus might be engineered and predicted vaccine-evading variants.
	Came on our show.
	A person who is legitimately opposing government edicts because of a public health-oriented ideology and experience and knowledge.
	And those are only a few examples.
	Social media platforms were powerful tools for full-spectrum censorship, but they didn't act alone.
	Medical schools, medical boards, science journals, and legacy media sang from the same hymnal.
	Legions of doctors stayed quiet after witnessing the demonization of their peers who challenged the COVID orthodoxy.
	Understandably, because it's frightening to face that kind of censorship and surveillance and the sense that you could be punished.
	But I suppose we should really appreciate those voices that did speak out bravely.
	A little censorship leads people to watch what they say.
	Millions of patients and citizens were deprived of important insights as a result.
	Their whole argument was, what they were controlling and censoring was protecting people, but it wasn't doing that, it was harming people.
	Health authorities and TV doctors insisted young people were vulnerable, demanded toddlers wear masks, closed schools, beaches and parks, and were loathed to contemplate crucial cost-benefit analysis.
	The economy?
	Mental health?
	Never heard of them.
	All conversations we were having, right?
	Let me know in the comments.
	These experts deny the protective effects of recovered immunity, a phenomenon we've known about since the plague of Athens in 430 BC.
	In a few centuries' time, there will be this fella Jesus who's gonna make an impact, but we're not there yet.
	Let's wait for that.
	One thing I can tell you for sure, though, is natural immunity works well.
	Shut your goddamn mouth, you racist!
	US government spent $6 trillion to buoy its shuttered economy, and most people got COVID anyway.
	Worst of all, the lockdowns and mandates resulted in unprecedented bad health outcomes for young and middle-aged people in rich countries.
	Hooray!
	Excess mortality in most high-income nations was worse in 2021 and 2022 than in 2020, the initial pandemic year.
	It made things worse then, it suggests.
	Many poorer nations with less government control seem to fare better.
	Less government control?
	Better?
	Sweden, which didn't have a lockdown, performed better than nearly every other advanced nation.
	After navigating 2020 with relative success, young and middle-aged healthy people in rich nations began dying in unprecedented numbers in 2021 and 2022.
	Helpful for it is, haven't focused enough on this cataclysm of premature death from non-COVID heart attacks, strokes, pulmonary embolisms, kidney failure and cancer.
	I wonder why.
	Hiding these and other realities has become more difficult in the internet age.
	Could this be part of the reason for censorship?
	Is that why the Biden administration are demanding censorship?
	To continue to hide it?
	The information explosion has allowed more people to spot quickly the mistakes of officials and learn the truth.
	This has changed the relationship between the authorities and those they govern.
	Those in charge feel threatened.
	And there is the key point.
	And that is what the censorship is about.
	It's not about public health.
	It's about centralised authoritarian control.
	Digital censorship is their response to this crisis of authority.
	True, misinformation is rampant online.
	Of course it is.
	Anyone can write anything they want.
	There's all sorts of untrue, mad stuff being said.
	But what's interesting is the type of information that they are targeting, and in particular, the type of information that they are ignoring, and their own evident errors when it comes to erroneous information.
	But it was far worse before the internet, when myths could persist for centuries.
	New technologies allow us to compile data quickly, correct errors, find facts, and dispel falsehoods.
	Science, supported by an open internet, is the process by which we reduce misinformation and approach the truth.
	So science, not as a subset of corporate, commercial, or globalist interests, but science as a process of investigating the nature of things, what is observable and what can be deduced, is of course absolutely vital, incontrovertibly.
	What is also required is an open internet, which amounts to free speech and freedom of communication.
	It's plain that the crisis of authority is what's being addressed here, not a health crisis.
	The health crisis, it seems, may have been made worse by the actions they took in the last couple of years.
	Who knows what other blunders they're making with geopolitics, war, energy, population management, No.
	civilization? Who knows? Who could say? But I know that you'll let me know in the
	comments because what I believe in is free speech, democracy, the ability to run
	your own life and your own community, to leave one another alone wherever possible
	and to allow the speech of people you disagree with to flourish and thrive. If
	freedom means anything, it means that. But that's just what I think. Let me know
	what you think in the chat. See you in a second.
	Censorship is the idea that you and I cannot communicate lovingly and safely,
	that we cannot build communities, common unity, through love, open-heartedness and
	good faith.
	Football is not like censorship.
	Football is nice.
	Football is nice.
	Can you believe it that the England 21s won this weekend?
	What a glory it is to be an English person at a time like this.
	Did you watch that game, Gal?
	Brilliant.
	It was nerve-wracking because Spain are technically a very good side without getting too deep into the football analysis.
	But yeah, it was amazing.
	It was great to see there was a lot of English under-21 players who we recognise from Premier League clubs.
	Did the crowd sound different?
	You know how sometimes the crowd sounds different at women's football or young people's football?
	Well, it sounded different because it wasn't very full.
	That was one of the worst things about it.
	I was watching it thinking, where is everyone?
	Why aren't there more fans here?
	Why is there such a big distinction between the senior team and the under-21s?
	It's an amazing achievement.
	As I said, Spain very good.
	Lots of regular first team starters in the Spanish teams.
	In American sport, they love it when they're still at college, don't they?
	Right?
	It's mad.
	The college game in America is huge.
	Like, everyone's just at school.
	They're watching schoolboys doing basketball and schoolboys doing football.
	Like, they don't mind.
	They're like, that's alright.
	They're good enough.
	Yeah.
	And if they're old enough, they're good enough.
	That's what they say.
	Ain't it?
	It is!
	And I bet that has an impact on, you know, the whole culture of the game and the way in which we always talk about how brilliant the draft system is in America.
	Yeah.
	And what a shame it is that we have to rely on ever-increasing massive transfers over here when they've got an amazing system in America.
	It must be weird to have been watching, like, to have someone, like, playing for the Chicago Bulls.
	Yeah.
	Or the New York Giants, depending on the sport.
	I know those are different sports.
	Like, and think, I've known them since I was a little lad.
	Yes.
	Like I've been watching him when I was a little lad.
	Yeah.
	Sort of amazing to me.
	Do you remember like during COVID when they, when they show football on the TV, English football, they used to, uh, like you could choose whether to watch it with crowd noise or not.
	That's right.
	I didn't bother with crowd noise.
	I didn't, I didn't watch it.
	I watched, I just listened to normal.
	Like I want to hear people like on the sidelines.
	Yeah.
	I like being able to hear all that stuff.
	I don't want to hear generic crowd noise like from a computer game.
	I actually did.
	Did you?
	I put on crowd noise.
	I missed it.
	I missed it so much.
	You're like Gazza sleeping with a vacuum cleaner on.
	Very similar.
	You are.
	Some people can't sleep unless there's a vacuum cleaner on.
	Let me know about that in the chat.
	Some people can't even have a nice sleep unless there's a vacuum cleaner on.
	I mean of all the things I heard about Gazza, climbing over people's fences, going through people's fridges in the
	middle of the night, the thing that's been maddest to learn is he goes,
	ah, night night then, off I go to the land of the old.
	Vroooom!
	Out like a light years, once I'm rid of the uber.
	So is it just the noise that Gazza was hearing?
	I hope you ain't got none of the attachments.
	Exactly.
	You don't want to be misusing it.
	It's the eyes.
	What you looking at me like that for Henry?
	What the hell are you looking at?
	I think there's a Henrietta now.
	Even more dangerous.
	What about the baby one?
	Oh, no.
	They're all vacuum cleaners, not people!
	Nevertheless!
	What, alright, what if it's a baby one?
	No.
	But it's ten years, like, it's older than Nick?
	No.
	Ah, listen, it's complicated territory, but football is nice.
	And they're trafficking vacuum cleaners now.
	Oh my god, we've made a film about trafficking!
	Vacuum, please!
	You far-right lunatic!
	These Henry Hoovers have been tra- I met a Henry Hoover over at the border.
	Oh, Gaza!
	You're meant to be investigating a case!
	I couldn't fucking help it, man!
	As soon as I hear it, I go out like I'm fucking late!
	It had a little badge on it saying Gaza.
	That's a good reference to this moment in and out over the course of the week when we've been speaking to the Sound of Freedom filmmakers and Jesus actor Jim Caviezel and Tim Ballard, the real life Jesus.
	Well, he's a Jesus actor, there's nothing wrong with that.
	Call him that, he likes it.
	What else was I going to say?
	So, well done them.
	Well done the England Tour and the 21s.
	That's brilliant.
	What about West Ham?
	We won the UFFA Cup.
	Are you going to say well done to West Ham?
	Yeah, well done.
	No, but it's the international level.
	It's amazing to me the disparity between people who just don't know that England won a major trophy, as if it was literally some of those players were just like a year older, or some of those players could still be playing for the England Under-21s.
	But if it was the senior competition, it would make such a difference.
	It's strange to me.
	Yeah, but that's what football is about.
	It's about hierarchies, and about distinction, and about boundaries.
	You can't make people care.
	You can't just force people to care.
	I'm wearing this little jacket now, to celebrate that we're doing Football's Nice, and we've gone to the trouble of putting that there, and that there.
	So, I think we should acknowledge that you're wearing that Hull City shirt, and I'm wearing this.
	Gareth's going to be talking to one of his great heroes, Phil Brown, legendary Hull manager, Bolton assistant manager.
	He's beloved in, what is the county?
	Hull's basically Yorkshire.
	East Yorkshire, yeah.
	You can think what you want, but it's part of Yorkshire, isn't it?
	Yeah, there was a bit of time when we were Humberside, but we're back to East Yorkshire now.
	Yorkshire itself is a confusing place.
	They're confusing people, aren't they?
	Aren't they, the Yorkshire people?
	We are.
	They like that tea and everything.
	Mm, that's right.
	They're odd.
	Okay, let's have a look at... It's good tea.
	Yeah, let's have a look at, uh... I mean, it's all stolen from India, is the truth.
	Let's have a look at, um... Let's have a look at our most British thing.
	Where did you get it?
	I just done a little business.
	Yorkshire, I think.
	Uh, sir?
	No, no.
	Right, let's have a look at whether or not West Ham United, my beloved football club, are going to buy any players.
	Young Jack's gone to the trouble of making a graphic.
	Those of you that have been following bad graphics, Jack's work, will be expecting a minor atrocity right now.
	Let's see if he delivers.
	Oh no, that wasn't very nice.
	He kind of made that...
	That's... Bad Graphics Jack's gone on the offensive, hasn't he?
	He's very good.
	He's actually saved his best work.
	Did he do the shirt change?
	Did he do the shirt change?
	There's no way Jack did that.
	No, he's not got them stones.
	Not a chance.
	I bet he struggled to make that little watermark in the corner.
	I bet he's been up 36 hours doing that logo.
	Right, my name's Bad Graphics Jack.
	I bloody own it!
	I'll reclaim it like the C-word or the N-word!
	There!
	I've reclaimed it!
	I owns my bad graphics!
	Well done, Jack.
	He certainly does own bad graphics, he's the king of them.
	Meanwhile, we've got lovely footage of a US commentator, inadvertently... Hang on, so West Ham, they're not getting anyone?
	We're not getting anyone!
	Is that the news?
	I want that lad out of Ajax, whose name I can't say, he's a midfielder.
	I want James Will Prowse out of James' club, Southampton.
	And I want Harvey Barnes, but it looks like he's going to go to Newcastle now.
	It does look like he's going to Newcastle.
	It's not fair, we're going to end up spending the Declan money.
	Yeah.
	Sorry.
	No, I do remember your point.
	We'll need it.
	But I said to Mum, by God, we'll need it.
	I went to my mate, yesterday's Arsenal fan, and he just at the end went, thanks for Declan.
	And I'd been talking about other stuff.
	Emotions and things.
	Welcome to my world, thanks.
	I've been in your world.
	Thanks for Jared Bowen.
	Did I say things like that?
	Every West Ham fan that I know, cheers for Gerard Byrne by the way, when he came, I remember saying to all the West Ham fans, he's bloody good, he's bloody good.
	You did say that.
	Unconvinced, unconvinced.
	You did say that, you did say that.
	Some people feel like his neck might be too thick.
	But that's not a thing though, is it?
	I mean, yes, maybe it is, but...
	That's what some people's concern is.
	All right, but why don't you, like, I think if we don't get Harvey Barnes and we don't get James Will Prowse and we don't get Ajax, lad, I'm going to be upset.
	And if we don't get some sort of forward from Italy, I'm going to be upset.
	He's got 20 goals in Serie A. I'll be upset.
	I want something.
	I want something to cheer me up.
	Every time you do get an Italian striker, it doesn't really work out.
	They put Antonio back in in the end.
	Should we try someone other than... Nah, put Antonio back.
	It's like you with a thumbnail.
	Try this thing, it's foreign.
	Ugh, I don't like it.
	Put Antonio back in.
	They do have an issue with strikers, West Ham.
	I mean, Antonio used to be... We haven't had someone score 20 goals since, like, Frank McIverney.
	Or Tony Conley.
	Antonio started as a left-back or something, and then West Ham were just like, well, none of the strikers are working.
	Ray Stewart, Stuart Pearce, he's just a full-back.
	Yeah, the full-backs who are good at penalties often are our top scorers.
	We ain't had someone... I think they're like... Did even Dean Ashton get 20 goals?
	Who was the last West Ham striker to score?
	Get Bad Graphics Jack to do that.
	Defoe maybe?
	I don't know.
	Defoe?
	Puyat probably got 20, didn't he, when he was then?
	He wasn't a striker either.
	Not in the season, not in the league.
	Then he's a midfielder.
	Wow, a long time ago.
	While someone looks up that fact about Bad Graphics Jack, if he can stop building his CV, let's have a look at this US commentator sort of graduating into Mickey Mouse over the course of a goal.
	Still with it on the right side.
	Stepping over.
	Sending it back for Lindsey.
	Places it back into the area for Swiderski.
	One touch!
	He scores!
	Another one for Stanarski!
	And that one was more impressive than the first!
	They stayed in that register for too long.
	That's unbelievable.
	Far too long.
	You can still go, oh goal!
	Like that and go there for a minute.
	And then back to enjoying the game.
	What a goal.
	Don't stay there.
	Oh man, actually I like it here.
	Hey, I'm going to stay like this for the rest of my life.
	Woohoo!
	They lived in it.
	They lived in it.
	He did that voice and I thought, nah, that's me now.
	Don't you ever think you could change your whole personality?
	Yes, all the time.
	This is one that I could be.
	Oh, hello.
	Yes, I could just be sort of like this.
	It would be really easy to just sort of fall into this.
	It's sort of relaxing to just sort of step through words very quietly like that and sort of be very meticulous.
	Would you commit to doing that at least one day a week for the team?
	Do you prefer it?
	The team would appreciate it, I think.
	Just for one day a week.
	Because rather than the sort of swivel-eyed, rasputin, very intensely caring, and then suddenly cold.
	I'll tell you now that Stevie G has gone from Rangers to Villa to Etifac FC.
	Now, we have to be careful that we're not sort of xenophobic about clubs abroad, but he does sort of look a bit like a dictator sat behind that.
	I think it's because of the fringes on them flags.
	They're a bit fringy.
	Aren't they?
	There's a bit too much... They're a bit too 1970s porn when they need to be 2000s porn.
	Right.
	They need a waxing.
	I see.
	That's what I'm saying, those flags.
	They're a bit fringy round the... Do we say Minji?
	I don't think we do, no.
	Not these days.
	No, we don't.
	Not anymore.
	Stevie G, he's gone... Is he going to be alright over there, do you think?
	Well, I think he'll probably be absolutely fine, won't he?
	I just remembered, I went on holiday.
	Right.
	Like, over the summer, I didn't have a very nice time.
	Yeah.
	I had to come home early.
	It often happens to me on holidays.
	I don't like holidays.
	You should not go on holidays.
	I don't like holidays.
	Never go on one.
	Every time you say to me, I'm going on a holiday, I think, well, it'll be back in a couple of days.
	I had to come home.
	I didn't like it.
	Why?
	There's nothing I could do.
	It's because you don't really have autonomy when you go on a holiday.
	You're just stuck there.
	Autonomy for you is like Look, the main thing in your life is... It's the only thing I care about, isn't it?
	Autonomy.
	Autonomy.
	Freedom.
	Absolute freedom at any point.
	You're going to be in this room.
	You can only go to that place.
	That's where you'll eat.
	Those are limited options.
	Get me out of this shithole!
	So, like, I went to Dubai, and he was there.
	Gerard.
	Was he negotiating his deal?
	I mean, I know Dubai ain't Saudi Arabia, but maybe it's a stop-off point.
	Right.
	Did you play a part in it?
	He was there.
	He was at another hotel.
	And I actually, like, I chatted to these spouses at our hotel.
	Which was one of the reasons... I'm only joking!
	I love the people of Liverpool.
	I love the people of Liverpool.
	But I was like, oh, we see Stevie G the other day.
	You know, he was nice as pie.
	I was chatting to him and all.
	And I was like, yeah, yeah, where is he?
	And, oh, we see him over at the buffet.
	I was like, oh, wicked.
	I'll go check him out.
	Anyway, perhaps he was over there.
	I went to... Did you go to the buffet?
	I can't imagine you were.
	I did actually, it's a bloody good buffet.
	You were at a buffet?
	Yeah, it's good though.
	It ain't like a buffet at like Pizza Hut or nothing.
	Like, you've got whole areas and it's spot on.
	Hang on, what do you mean areas?
	Like, alright, Italy area.
	Oh, I see, right, right.
	And then like, fish food.
	Does it have little flags on it?
	Like that?
	It looks like that.
	If he'd been there, it would have been that.
	Imagine some linguine in front of him.
	Yeah, what do you want?
	Do you want to go over there to the pizza section?
	There's like a fish food section.
	Or like seafood.
	It's not fish food because that's just that limb dust.
	Fish, they can't cope, can they?
	A couple too many specks, that's it, I'm out.
	Four specks!
	One speck?
	Lovely!
	Two specks?
	Three specks?
	You idiots!
	Stop eating!
	So, the buffet, yeah, there's, you know, different continental foods, anyway, you can really go for it.
	You can actually mess yourself up.
	And then the whole dessert area, you know, that's the nature of a Dubai-ology.
	You're very good around desserts, I've noticed.
	I can't do it.
	I have to stay away because I get addicted.
	You're out.
	It's unbelievable.
	I have to.
	I've watched you around them recently.
	Look, a cheesecake could finish me off.
	Right.
	That's, you know, which is better than finishing off with a cheesecake until you're dead.
	Right?
	The other thing that happened is I went to the Wet Wildy.
	Sorry?
	I went to the Wet Wildy water park.
	It's too beige.
	Like, it's a water park, but everything's a bit too beige.
	Like the pipes.
	Right.
	Too beige.
	Is that because it's, like, old?
	Yeah, it's too old.
	Right.
	And, like, as you know, Muslim women will wear a burqa swimming costume.
	So they're wearing swimming burqa.
	What's weird is, like, we all know what a water park is in the kind of cultures, sort of like, you know, I'm guessing, I don't know, you.
	Do you live in America?
	Do you live in Canada?
	Our data suggests, not that we look at your individual data, but collectively, you're anglophonic.
	Only when we sell it.
	Only when we bundle that up does!
	We don't bundle it up, we don't do that.
	Most of you are in America, or Australia, or Canada, or UK, right?
	That's basically it.
	And all of us know what a theme park is in our countries.
	When you go to Wetawauldi theme park... You think I'm not saying it right, don't you?
	Why don't you just come clean and own up that you think I'm not saying Wetawauldi?
	Well, because you say words strangely.
	I don't?
	You say Tamarau, for example.
	Like, Wet Wildy.
	Look it up, right?
	Wet Wildy.
	I bet you can find a trailer for it on YouTube.
	I went to Wet Wildy, and like, it's like a normal waterpark theme park, except you can have a thing where you get your feet nibbled by a fish.
	In a waterpark?
	There's a foot nibbled by a fish section.
	I ain't even joking.
	Do they tell you that that's happening?
	Because otherwise I'd be terrified.
	Yeah, you have to pay extra.
	You pay extra.
	That's not included in the cover price.
	Right.
	You go in.
	Oh, this is amazing.
	Do you want your feet nibbled by a fish?
	Yes, I do.
	It's extra.
	So it's not like you come off a water slide and into a pool and then you're suddenly attacked.
	There's some areas, right, where the people... It's weird because it feels adjacent to a disaster.
	Because you're sort of in these rubber rings floating around and there's people that work there.
	And because they don't also, the people, I feel like a lot of people may have come from African nations to work there, they are not using the typical set of customary facial expressions that we would associate with a theme park worker.
	Yeah.
	Like if you meet someone at Disney World, or Six Flags, or even Chessington World of Adventures, there's this wild waddy.
	Yeah, what did I call it?
	Wildy.
	Yeah, wild waddy.
	Like, like, you know, there's a sort of a, like, hello, sort of, there's a chirpiness.
	That's right.
	There's a sort of a cultural trepidus.
	Now remember, this is not a Western country, Dubai, and those people are not from Dubai either.
	So there's, it's unrecognisable, the, like, aesthetically, look here, that's what Wet Wildy looked like.
	Wow.
	It's a bit scary.
	It is very beige.
	What you get in Wet Wildy is the worst kind of recognised for a famous person.
	The worst kind of recognised is, like, recognise you and then you have to tell them who you are.
	I hate that kind of recognised.
	How does that go then in reality?
	Excuse me?
	Who are you?
	Fuck off.
	Well you know what you need to do then.
	Fuck off.
	I'm Johnny Depp.
	You need to bring out your other personality.
	I don't know.
	I'm no one.
	Leave me be.
	I'm just trying to enjoy Wet Wildy.
	I'm just trying to have a nice time.
	I've got fish eating my feet.
	There's some fish eating my feet, sir.
	Sorry, that isn't one of the options here.
	Is that a video of it, or is that just a still of it?
	When we were over there, they recognised me, and they wanted to talk to me and everything.
	Oh, look, here's a video of Wet Wildy, and then we'll have a look at some Hull news, and then we're gonna meet one of Gayle's great heroes, Phil Brown.
	Let's have a look at Wet Wildy.
	They're trying a Disney font there.
	Yeah.
	That's sort of like a Disney-ish font.
	Look at them W's, Disney-ish.
	You know.
	Sometimes it gets a bit too cold and you get a bit depressed.
	I will say, it's not very good this, is it?
	Well, all the money they're spending on Premier League players, you'd think they'd have more budget for this.
	Invest a bit in your... They've used the same kid on about three or four different shorts.
	I'm sick and tired of seeing this kid.
	I'm only going to see this kid in a moustache in a minute.
	Come down the stairs.
	I'm just going downstairs now.
	That kid, I've seen him ten times.
	Our hotel backed on it.
	That was good, that wave machine.
	I didn't have a go at that.
	Why are they not showing the fish?
	They're not featuring that, are they?
	No, no.
	I think the fish were a mistake all along.
	I think that that's an infestation.
	Oh, and here you can... Also, wouldn't you like to have these rats scurrying about, laying eggs in your hair?
	Rats lay eggs?
	Oh, shit!
	You gotta pay extra!
	Okay!
	There you go!
	I don't even know what this stuff is!
	Give it to Stevie!
	Look, there's that kid!
	Wow!
	Again?!
	This is a bad video.
	They're too close up, aren't they?
	You want to feature, there were better things, it weren't as bad as this.
	You're actually now moved from, I didn't enjoy myself to, it was better than this!
	Even though it was bad, it's not as bad as they're making it look.
	Wet Waddy.
	Yeah, that's it.
	That's the stuff!
	That's me!
	I was in one of them and I felt a bit like, you know that film about a tsunami?
	Where it's you and McGregor and he gets separated from his family?
	I felt a bit like him.
	Oh yeah, very similar, yeah.
	They should have got you to play that really because of your real life experience at Wet Waddy.
	I'll tell you what.
	You know, you and Whitney's in that film where you lost your family.
	That's a bit like my experience of a wet wedding.
	Like, I got separated, not long, but from my wife.
	We see him, we say we got separated from one of my daughters and my missus.
	It's not the same thing, Russell.
	We was going down a brown tube, I go, NINO!
	COME BACK!
	You're still alright!
	Do you remember us?
	It was only half an hour ago.
	I just went to get my foot nibbled by a fish.
	Got a bit of that old dry fish foot skin nibbled off by a fish.
	You don't want that in your mind.
	No.
	Like don't go to Chessington World of Adventures.
	No.
	And then, you wash your dick.
	Hahaha!
	Sorry, I was on the edge.
	I was on the edge.
	Hygiene and fun should nary mix.
	All the things you have to put out of your mind when you go to a swimming pool are things like... They've just got people's mangled feet in this pool.
	And their genitals.
	Foot skin.
	Genitals.
	Verrucas.
	Anus.
	Okay.
	Anus.
	What if the anus is relaxing?
	Hang on, who's getting the bombs out?
	Well, your anus is in your trunk.
	What did you do in there?
	Is that why you had to leave early?
	They chucked me out.
	They're very strict over there.
	Get out!
	You gotta respect our traditions!
	Why did you put the fish up there?
	Respect our traditions!
	Sorry, I forgot it's an Arab nation.
	Not even that!
	Just human traditions!
	Don't do that to one of our foot fish!
	Yeah, no, they checked me out.
	I had a nice time though, all said and done.
	That's why I recommend, and now I'm the new ambassador for, Wet Wildy.
	Listen, we can't talk about this all day, not when we've got one of your great heroes, a man who changed the face of British football, mostly because of his own face.
	He had one of them Britney Spears mics for a minute there, like he did that.
	He was very much an innovator.
	Well, tell me why, before we introduce him, tell me why you love Phil Brown.
	Well, I think he's an incredibly charismatic personality.
	So am I?
	Yeah.
	It's not a comparison.
	Oh, sorry.
	He got us promoted to the Premier League.
	Did you?
	No.
	I wasn't able.
	My team's floundered in the lower reaches of League One.
	Didn't even get to the professional flight.
	And I'd say in coming up, we've played a very exciting kind of brand of football, the mixture of personalities, Dean Winder.
	I mean, we'll get into it in a minute.
	All right, shall we?
	Yeah, sure.
	Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to our show, and this is a great honour for Gareth as a whole fan, and me as a football fan, and for you as an American, you're probably confused, but you're gonna have to bloody well learn to lump it.
	And welcome, Phil Brown.
	Alright, Phil?
	How are you?
	Really good, mate.
	Really good.
	How are you getting on?
	Well, I've been listening to you guys for the last half an hour, and I'm fascinated.
	It's a brilliant show, by the way.
	It's superb.
	Thanks, mate.
	Thanks.
	You still look well handsome.
	I've just come off the golf course, Russell.
	I'm just getting my handicap down.
	Where are you living?
	I'm in Oxfordshire.
	I was managing Southend for the second time around and I got the call from Swindon.
	Halfway across was Oxfordshire and I just stopped in the Cotswolds and decided to build a house and a life there.
	Beautiful.
	So what's going on now?
	Where are you managing?
	I'm not managing at the moment.
	I'm doing majority of my work with the BBC and with the Indian Super League.
	I'm going across there for their 10th season next year.
	They're coming up slowly but surely in terms of the world rankings.
	They're hopefully going to qualify for a World Cup.
	In the next four years, if not eight years.
	So there's a lot of input with regards to British football as well, going over there, and British managers more importantly.
	But when I'm back home, I'm working for the BBC, Radio 5, just keeping my eye in, waiting for the next job coming along.
	Global games changing a lot.
	We're sort of fascinated by what's happening in the MLS and the unique deal that was put together for Lionel Messi.
	Like, he was played by the league, he was played by the sponsors, he was played by the broadcasters.
	We're obviously fascinated, as the world is, by what's happening in Saudi Arabia and the kind of complexity about that.
	Like, you know, the weird territorial and think like, oh, the Premier League's got to be the best league in the world.
	There's similar, I don't know, prejudices, you might call them, exist about Indian football.
	Is the game popular over there?
	I've always thought that it's a cricketing nation, primarily.
	How is the nation of India taking to football?
	Well, it's strange enough, Russ, when I went across there about four years, five years ago, as a manager, I managed a team called Pune City, which is a suburb of Mumbai.
	But you're talking about a suburb of Mumbai.
	It takes about two hours to fly there, let alone, you know, it's a big old place, you know.
	And then I managed Hyderabad.
	which was again, just the selling of a franchise, you move to another area and it's another three,
	four hours away, but it's such a big place, such a vast place as well, 1.4 billion,
	but 95% love cricket.
	So you're up against it.
	And I've never been in that prejudice world of being second, if not third, if not fourth,
	in terms of league, in terms of the rankings of how popular you are.
	So it was a real tough gig when I went over there.
	And one of the biggest clangers I dropped was when I was speaking to the Times of India.
	First interview, I just said, when an Indian boy or girl is born,
	I wanna put a football in her hand instead of a cricket ball.
	Well, there was absolute carnage, backlash, you name it.
	So it was a difficult gig, there's no doubt about it.
	But from a football perspective, you know, the teams are improving, you know.
	Simon Grayson has just gone across there, who's well-renowned in England, in terms of, you know, managed probably seven, eight, nine clubs in England.
	He's gone across there and did a great job at Bangalore, and he's staying there for the next year, so hopefully he builds that brand, and the club gets bigger, and hopefully the whole Indian gig gets bigger, and they can win a World Cup at one stage.
	Gareth, our co-host and producer, loves you because he's a Hull fan.
	He loves you for bringing Hull up.
	The rest of us fans of the game love you for some of the unique moments you brought to the top flight.
	You know what I'm going to be talking about.
	I'm going to be talking about the serenade, the on-pitch halftime team talk.
	We'll be talking about that kind of stuff.
	But I'm going to hand over now to Gareth so that he can get all excited and hysterical about you.
	So, Gareth, please meet Phil Brown.
	Phil, it's an absolute joy to meet you.
	I mean, Russell's right, you are a hero to me and thanks for making me one of the happiest people in the world in 2008.
	It was an incredible day, an incredible season and Russell was just asking me beforehand about why you're so special to so many Hull fans.
	I think it was a lot about the way we came up Rather than just that it was the first time we'd ever been in the Premier League.
	So I just want to ask you in terms of, I would say, you know, you have legendary status along with Peter Taylor and Steve Bruce.
	What's it kind of like to go from, I don't know, assistant manager under Allardyce and then having, I guess, aspirations of becoming a A first team manager and then the kind of things that you achieved at Hull to then, obviously, you know, you've managed other places.
	I know you had success at Southend, but in the way that I guess footballers, there must always be a bit of a struggle when it comes to kind of retirement from the game.
	What's it like for you as a manager to go from that huge as I say legendary status at Hull to having different kind of experiences elsewhere that maybe don't hit the kind of heights that you've had previously?
	Well thanks first and foremost for the introduction Gareth and yes I did really enjoy my time at Hull City there's no doubt about it but I am sort of in that Frame of mind, if you like, where you're talking about the levels that you reach in terms of management, the levels that you reach in terms of coaching and playing and, you know, to be an electrician.
	Back in 1979-80 and you go from that to going into the game.
	So you're on the terraces first and foremost as a supporter and that's the most important part.
	I heard you and Russell talk and Russell's a supporter at West Ham I believe.
	When you're on the terraces and you start feeling and believing and saying things that you can actually support, You're supported in different ways.
	You're supported by finances.
	You're supported by being there through thick and thin.
	You're supported by eventually crossing the white line and becoming a footballer.
	If eventually for your own team, that's fantastic.
	If it's not, then you've got to still give that level of commitment to whoever you're playing for, whoever you're coaching, whoever you're managing.
	And that's fortunately what I was born with.
	I think my parents are responsible for that.
	But the commitment levels, when I was chucked in at any football club, Was 100% full on.
	And you've got the real Phil Brown, as it were, whether that was charismatic to some supporters and not to others, it doesn't matter to me.
	I was just trying to be me.
	And trying to be me was that supporter blessed with a little bit of talent that I could play, then blessed with a little bit of talent that I could then coach, and then a little bit of talent that I could manage.
	To get Hull City to the Premier League was just a great achievement, but it wasn't me, it was everybody.
	It was a combined effort on all fronts, and I mean that so much.
	I used to go into the schools in Hull, in Humberside, and to understand the people of Humberside was the most important part.
	For me to understand that, it was almost three generations of deprivation, where the fishing industry in the 12-mile radius had brought Hull to a standstill.
	And it was great listening to you guys talking about Yorkshire.
	Is it Yorkshire?
	Is it the Ridings?
	Is it, you know, is it Humberside?
	What is it?
	And you have that sense of belonging because you have an area of what you support your team through thick and thin.
	And once you get that, I think it can take anybody, anywhere, as long as you have buy-in from everybody.
	And I thought we had buy-in from every person I spoke to, whether it was a child going into the schools, whether it was a retired grandfather who had been In the shipyards or in the ships, 25, 30 years ago, whether it be women, children, it didn't matter who it was, we just had buy-ins from everybody.
	Do you mind if I just ask one more because I completely agree with you and I think that I really think that promotion to the Premier League obviously would gone up in the previous few seasons and that meant a lot to the city but I think the promotion to the Premier League after decades and decades of being the butt of jokes of the city obviously we're the second most bombed city after London in the war you know this is a city You know, this is a city that needed something good to happen to it.
	And it literally, I think, put Hull on the map.
	And for the people of Hull to be seeing their team on Match of the Day, to be in the Premier League, I think was just one of the biggest things to happen to the city ever.
	And so I agree with you.
	I think buying into how much of a difference it made to the people of Hull just through football, I think is an incredible thing.
	Two things from my perspective, Gareth.
	Your facial expression talking to me compared to your facial expression talking to Russell.
	You are so serious.
	You are so in the hole.
	And then you enter the comedy side of things.
	And the face is brilliant.
	Absolutely fantastic.
	But this is a true story.
	And, Russell, being a West Ham supporter, you'll know what I mean.
	Man of the people and all that.
	You've got to really buy into the way people are in the area.
	And I remember, do you remember the Duke of Northumberland?
	I think the Duke of Cumberland called me North Ferriby.
	I used to live in North Fairbairn.
	When I finished a game, I used to go in there for a pint and then go home.
	And I went in this pub this time, and I had all my family with me.
	And there was a big, strong-looking, strapping lad.
	Hull City fan.
	Tattoos, H-U-F-C on his hands.
	You know, proper supporter.
	And he came straight over to me, and he was in my face.
	Stopped staring at my wife.
	Stopped staring at my wife.
	And I thought, what do I do with this?
	What do I do with this?
	So I looked at him, and I went, I ain't looking at your wife.
	And I had to be careful, because if I wasn't looking at his wife, why is she not good-looking?
	You know what I mean?
	That kind of crack.
	And he went, hold on a second.
	I'm just joking.
	You have brought pride back to this football club.
	I like to have a fight, an organized fight before a game of football.
	And whatever city I walk into, we couldn't walk in with any pride whatsoever because we're bottom of this league, we're bottom of that league.
	You put the pride in me walking back into any pub, any pub now with Hull City supporter and putting it, you know, like putting an organized fight on.
	I just couldn't believe what I was hearing.
	I've supported Sunderland all my life.
	Organised fighting.
	I just had nothing to do with it.
	I was just there on the terraces, trying to make as much noise as I possibly can.
	But therein lies a story where West Ham's concerned.
	They liked an organised fight as well, didn't they?
	Phil Brown there restoring pride to the hooligans of Hull so that his Mackham kin can get beaten up on derby day with real pride and force.
	One of the things that comes across right clear from you, Phil, is that connection is What's important to you, connection to the fans, connection to your players.
	And I liked those moments where you took unusual choices and unusual risks that I imagine came from the fact that you're a person from a normal background, a football fan yourself, a football man, as they say, to use the famous phrase.
	And I feel that that is beautiful to experience as a fan and as a viewer, the success that you achieved with Hull.
	And also that you've stayed connected to your relationship to fans, as the last story demonstrates.
	Is it also true that as a Sparky, you still use your electrician skills even when you was managing Southend to fix the electrics?
	Is that true?
	Russ, listen, true story.
	We're playing Millwall.
	It's an FA Cup.
	I think Millwall may have been two divisions above us.
	They were definitely championship.
	We were in the first or the second division.
	And it was a massive game.
	We had about 11,000-12,000 at the game.
	They had 2,000-2,500 travelling fans, which wasn't too far away, Millwall at South End.
	Anyway, it was a proper game of football.
	20 minutes into the game, we're 1-0 up, and there's a power failure.
	The lights come off.
	And we're looking around and trying to find out what the reason is.
	I'm looking to my right hand side, knowing full well the ground and how it was built, etc, etc.
	I used to walk around the ground on a Friday before a game when it was empty and just get a feel for the vibe.
	And, you know, it doesn't matter where you are, the old grounds have still got the breathing.
	Even when they're empty, they're breathing, they've got history, it's beautiful to be involved in that.
	So I used to go, it was part of my job, to walk around the grounds, whichever club I was at, on a Friday, and you'd maybe hear the grass being cut and this, that and the other, there was a couple of people, maintenance people working, and I used to find out where the cable used to come in, how the lights were built and this, that and the other.
	The lights have gone out, it's about 15 minutes till here, and I'm standing on the touchline, which is an elevated grass pitch, and my chairman, Ron Martin, taps me on the shoulder, and I spin round thinking it's the referee or something.
	I spin round, it's the chairman, he went, Brownie, he said, you used to be an electrician, didn't you?
	And I went, yes I did.
	He said, you couldn't find out what the problem is.
	So I went down and it was a fuse had gone.
	A fuse had gone.
	So eventually we fixed the fuse and I put it back in and they come round and I look on the pitch and I'm looking at the lights and the lights are not coming on.
	And they're all looking at me as if I'm some kind of useless electrician.
	But it wasn't.
	They were halogen lights.
	And when a halogen light You have to wait until it calms down, so it cools down first, before it sparks up again.
	So when I fixed this fuse, it was a 10-15 minute period of the bulb cooling down and then sparking up.
	Before you know it, it's sparking, going all over the place.
	Next thing you know, the lights are on.
	We win the game.
	Yes!
	We beat Global 4-1.
	We get to the next round of the Cup, and I think we played home, actually, in the next round of the Cup.
	That's a beautiful story.
	You brought back the light to Roots Hall, you beat Millwall.
	What a fantastic story.
	Gareth ain't even the only Hull fan in this building, so when you're talking in the gallery, we've got Ed, who also works here, who's from Hull, just nodding and wiping away the occasional tear.
	We want to take it to an even higher sentimental plane by showing this moment where you serenaded the crowd there after avoiding relegation in 2009.
	Let's have a look at that together.
	Let me go home!
	This is the best trip I've ever been on.
	Let me go home!
	This is the best trip I've ever been on.
	Beautiful.
	Electrician, singer, football manager.
	What an array of skills.
	And sending Newcastle down as well.
	I mean, that must have been amazing.
	We did the Great North Run.
	All of the backroom staff did the Great North Run that year.
	And obviously it's from Newcastle and South Shields.
	I was born and bred in South Shields.
	So I'm running 13 male foot charity.
	There was six or seven of the backroom staff and we've all got Hull City tops on.
	Just made all my backroom staff do it.
	It was just a brilliant day.
	But little did I know, that year we sent down not just Newcastle, we sent Middlesbrough down as well.
	Sunderland survived, but we sent two North East teams down.
	It wasn't a nice place to be.
	No.
	I was spat at many a time.
	Yeah, you could have maybe done that run in maybe a costume, like Honey Monster, or Mr Blobby or something, a little bit sensible.
	Or maybe Elvis.
	Yeah, something like that, and then you can bring the crooning back into it.
	Phil, I think what you are able to embody and bring the spirit of is the thing that this podcast and aspect of our show is actually about.
	That football creates a sense of unity and celebrates aspects of a culture that are pretty easy to malign and dismiss.
	I think the kind of populist politics that have emerged in the last 10-20 years are kind of as a result of the ongoing malignment of particular communities and members of that community and being Like a man of the north of England being from the class that you're evidently from.
	It's beautiful to hear the way that you can represent that community positively and the way that the game offers an opportunity to show unity, good spirits.
	It's interesting to see the national game become increasingly international and yet increasingly commodified.
	Phil, do you sometimes feel that the game that we are celebrating in this kind of conversation will be lost as it becomes increasingly corporatized?
	I'm thinking about like the idea that You know, the manager's walking around the ground, knows who the maintenance staff are, and if the halogen lights go down, might be asked to pop in at a basement and change a fuse.
	I mean, that's unlikely to happen at the Etihad, or, you know, like... I don't reckon Pep Guardiola... He can do a lot of things, Pep.
	Pep, the sprinklers ain't working!
	I don't know what to do.
	It's not my problem.
	It's not something you're imagining.
	Do you ever wonder if the essence of the game could be lost in its increasing commercialisation?
	There is a worry, of course.
	The size of the game.
	I'm going back to the day when I used to stand on the terraces and watch Sunderland.
	Did I know who the manager was?
	Did I know who the owners were?
	You had no idea at the time.
	You were just a kid on the terraces watching a game of football.
	You knew the team inside out.
	I was very fortunate that I was at Wembley for the 1973 Cup Final against Leeds.
	I remember Jimmy Montgomery presenting me with a trophy when I was at school and that gave me the The impetus, the excitement, the drive to actually eventually become a pro footballer.
	Double save against Leeds United, winning 1-0, Ian Porterfield scoring a goal.
	All of these things were part and parcel, but I didn't know who the manager was until the crazy lunatic runs across the pitch, runs past the captain, runs past the goalscorer, and all he wants to do is embrace the goalkeeper, Jimmy Montgomery, and that was Bob Stokewell.
	And that was my first recollection of who the manager was.
	And what he then went on to do and where he went after that.
	So all of them things, I think the game's progressed in a real positive way, no doubt about it, until the moment that the Premier League was invented and then it became this global icon.
	I was just thinking about this before I came on the show today.
	When we first started in, was it 92, 93, 94, the Premier League, you had Sir Alex Ferguson there at the helm and he drove it basically from a management perspective.
	Well, the Premier League itself was only, I think it was about 60-65% British players, but that's been squeezed the other way now.
	It's probably more or less 75% foreign players, foreign ownership.
	But that doesn't make it any worse or better.
	That just makes it a global brand.
	I think the British are still hanging in there.
	But you have to.
	You really have to.
	You've got to have your managers like your Davey Moyes that is doing a great job at West Ham.
	If West Ham could have gone down this year and won a European title, that would have been scandalous from what Davey Moyes has done in the game.
	So Alex Ferguson, if you like, to a certain extent, you know, he got the baton at Manchester United and then did it fail?
	Or was it just too big a club?
	Is West Ham a right fit for him?
	All of them things I think are in place.
	Sam Allardyce, you know, eight or nine Premier League clubs.
	You've got father figures, in my opinion, that I set a great example to me and now the up-and-coming breed of young coaches.
	Am I lost to the game now?
	I don't think so.
	I think the game is played in a wonderful way, fantastic way.
	And hats off to Pep Guardiola, hats off to Man City for the way they've produced a great team.
	But if you look at what Pep Guardiola's done, he brought in a number nine, a proper old-fashioned number nine.
	When everybody was buying false nines, no nines, they were playing three up front, they were doing all sorts of things that Man City were doing five years ago.
	He then brings in Haaland, who then scores 48 goals or whatever it was, wins three trophies, and he's gone back to the number nine.
	But if you look at the four semi-finalists in the Champions League, all four of them had big number nines.
	So it's just cycles, Russell, what I'm trying to say, Gareth.
	You know, it's just becoming cycles.
	And if you've got to hang in there, you've got to make sure that you keep on believing in yourself, believe in what you believe in, and it comes round again.
	Beautiful day.
	You said a lot there, mate, because I think that one of the things that I was fascinated to hear that you didn't even used to think of who the manager was.
	And I was trying to think of like, you know, when I started to really think about West Ham, I was probably like 10, 11.
	It was like the 86 side, John Lyle.
	But the players then were like Cotty and Makaveni.
	And Makaveni had all this allure and glamour and craziness around him.
	He was my sort of first favourite footballer.
	But as I've gone on to watch the game more, if not understand it with any more depth, I've become increasingly interested in the managers.
	And you said yourself, because they become kind of like father figures, leaders.
	That's what you're really, I believe, at least, that we're looking at, is models of leadership.
	And how is it that a particular manager Can transform the fortunes of a club?
	How is it that you can captivate a city, a town, a nation through charisma, through will, through sort of cunning and guile?
	For me, football provides so many ways of understanding things that Elsewise might be difficult to observe.
	Leadership, community, loss, competition, injustice, hypocrisy, rules.
	I mean, there's so much in there.
	So it's lovely to see that you watch the game and experience the game in the same way.
	I think when you go back to my time in schools and I think what an example, what a great opportunity, first and foremost, to go into schools to give somebody.
	I've just been into a local school here and I sat down in front of 25-30 kids and it was you know sharing your experiences and they're asking you questions and they're drilling into you almost like a like an interview you're doing after a game you know when you know you get reporters trying to trip you up and say the wrong thing and this that yeah kids are just brutally honest they're coming out with
	It was like sharing your ideas.
	I had to bring me trophies in.
	I brought a picture of when the Queen visited Hull.
	I was managing the team in the Premier League, so I managed to sit at the table of the Queen.
	I'm an electrician.
	I'm, you know, who am I?
	I'm sitting at a table with the Queen having lunch.
	I just couldn't believe how far the game had took me.
	How fast Hull City had took me.
	And I'm just asking questions.
	Why don't you go to the FA Cup final anymore?
	You know, I'm giving a Not stick, but why don't you go to the NBA?
	You were a leader for me.
	I wanted to go to the FA Cup final because you were sitting there and you were handing the trophy out.
	I wanted to be a winner at Wembley because you were handing the trophy out.
	Then it became the siblings and you didn't want it as much.
	That can't happen.
	You know, you've got to have your values, I think.
	You've got to have your icons.
	You've got to have your people that you aspire to.
	And I think that's where it starts at school.
	Yeah, that's brilliant.
	Bloody hell, Phil.
	You're a fantastic interview mate.
	You're a good chap.
	Thank you so much.
	I think we could carry on talking to you forever.
	Maybe not Gareth.
	He's all stumbling over himself, pulling at his collar, sweating, getting all fretful, probably wants your autograph and a photograph and stuff like that.
	It's been such a joy.
	Maybe we can do a follow-up interview at some point, Phil.
	What, just the two of us?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Don't even want to film it?
	Maybe a private phone chat or something.
	Who knows?
	We'll all become mates.
	We'll all become mates.
	Only if Russell wears a Hull City top.
	Yes!
	I would do that for you, Gareth.
	That's the simple truth of the matter.
	I'll do it for you and Phil quite happily.
	Easily put aside my allegiance to the claret and blue louts of East London just for a moment.
	Phil, bringing about a dream of one young man from Hull meeting his hero.
	Phil, thank you so much, mate.
	You've really elevated our show today.
	You're brilliant.
	I hope we get to chat again.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Oh, bless you.
	Bye-bye, Phil.
	Cheers, Phil.
	It's a bit emotional points, isn't it?
	Because he's sort of like he's so sort of straightforward and lovely.
	Thank you so much.
	That was a lovely little conversation with Phil Brown.
	Did you enjoy it, mate?
	He's an incredibly authentic personality.
	For real, wasn't he?
	Yeah, I think so.
	I think we could do more with Phil Brown.
	What do we do with Phil Brown?
	Yeah, bring him in down here.
	Let's get him in here.
	It's not even far.
	Not that far.
	Let's bring Phil Brown to town, if he will come.
	Let's do it.
	Of course he will.
	What was your first question about?
	It took so long, and then you basically ended up saying... I knew I wouldn't get up, man.
	...he's the man in decline.
	I knew I'd only get one or two.
	Why did you ask?
	He went, like, oh, he was good when he was old, but now what?
	He should have, like, left it when he was at Hull.
	Tell us about your best bits of being a Hull manager.
	No, because I was thinking... Luckily, Phil's a pro.
	As he was talking, I was thinking, what must it be like to experience that as a manager?
	But then when he was talking about, you know, going to India and this and that, it must be difficult.
	I think it must be difficult.
	And I wanted to make sure he knew what a legend I thought he was, so I was trying to get a few questions into one.
	That's what I try and do.
	It's my technique.
	It doesn't really work, but it's all we've got, Gal.
	Listen, that's all we've got time for.
	Thank you so much for joining us.
	Football is nice.
	We'll of course be back next week.
	We have got a fantastic week for you still though.
	Tomorrow, Jim Caviezel and Tim Ballard will be here talking about their new movie, Sound of Freedom, in a bright, breezy, upbeat, and I would say compendious manner.
	And on Friday, we've got The Critical Drinker talking to us about movie analysis and culture.
	It's a fantastic conversation.
	But, until then, I have to say, ta-ta-tia!
	Join us tomorrow, not for more of the same, but for more of the different.

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