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Covid’s Origin: BOMBSHELL New Report Is A GAME-CHANGER! - #147 - Stay Free With Russell Brand

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	I'm going to go to the bathroom.
	I'm going to go to the bathroom.
	In this video, you're going to see the future.
	Hello, and welcome to Stay Free with Russell Brand.
	We've got a magnificent, exciting, visceral, and potent show for you today.
	Later, we're going to be talking to you about an exclusive story, broke, here, on this show, by Michael Schellenberger and Matt Taibbi, the Woodward and Bernstein of the counter-establishment age.
	Remember, when Woodward and Bernstein, real journalists, were fated by the establishment, could work for an organisation like the Washington Post?
	That's, I guess, what they worked for, isn't it?
	Now, like Barry Weiss, if she breaks a story about, for example, the Hunter Biden laptop, she's out of the New York Times.
	So the world has changed.
	The establishment has changed.
	This is where you will get independent media.
	This is where you will get genuine critiques of the mainstream.
	This is where you can join us.
	Press the red button on your screen now to become a member of our locals community so you can participate in this movement.
	What can we do, Russell, you ask me?
	What can we do to change the world?
	Join us.
	Let us unite and make a difference together.
	If you're watching us on YouTube, we can only do the first 15 minutes of the show here because we're going to show you some stuff that Schellenberger said to us about the lab leak theory that...
	Ludicrous though it may seem to right-minded, free-thinking people like you, we simply cannot discuss that on YouTube.
	We're going to be looking at the treatment of whistleblowers, the use of the Espionage Act, and the genuine imperialistic agenda behind, potentially behind, Trump's vilification and trial.
	I'm not a MAGA hat guy, but I am a justice guy.
	We've got a fantastic story for you.
	You are not going to want to miss that.
	You are going to want to join us.
	But first, Is it possible, Gareth, my on-screen assistant, is that still what you are?
	Yep.
	Let's have a look how you're credited.
	Yes, you are.
	Is it possible that aliens, extraterrestrials, or extradimensionals, or extratemporals, because as Jeremy Corbell, our frequent guest on this show, you can have a look at our conversation on Rumble right now, consistently reminds us we do not know where these extraterrestrials come from.
	Are they among us?
	Let me know in the chat.
	Let me know in the comments.
	Do you think they move among us?
	Are they moving among us?
	Could I be?
	Do you remember...
	I was going to say something about when I used to be married.
	Do you remember when I used to be married?
	I do remember that.
	Before.
	Not current marriage.
	Not current marriage.
	Prior marriage.
	Yeah.
	Well, there was a song about extraterrestrials, and I like to think it might have been about old Russ.
	Okay, how did it go?
	I dislike my husband very much.
	I won out, I won out, I won out.
	I've made a mistake!
	Didn't think this through!
	We've rushed into this!
	No, actually, I'm very happy about that period in my life.
	So was I. It was a trucking trip to India.
	Oi!
	Don't you dare celebrate that!
	Don't you dare celebrate that trip to India.
	They were the days, though.
	They were some days.
	They were some days.
	Extraterrestrials!
	You know those guys, don't you?
	Certainly do.
	Up there in the spaces.
	Have they... I mean, this is really fantastic.
	You're gonna love this clip.
	You remember, like, that plucky... What are they called?
	Newsmax?
	Yeah.
	Newsmax.
	Newsmax.
	Like, people really like Newsmax, I think.
	Anyway, this guy's off Newsmax.
	He's like, he's like an Australian journalist.
	He's part Jim Robinson, Neighbour's Hero.
	You'll know that if you're English or Australian.
	Are you Australian?
	Let us know in the chat.
	Uh, and he's part Jim Morrison, uh, not Jim Morrison, Jim... He could be less like Jim Morrison.
	Oh, is everybody in?
	He's part Jim Robinson and part... Who else do you remember?
	Andrew Marr.
	These are both references that you Americans won't understand.
	Anyway, he's certainly very turned on by David Grush.
	Is he called David Grush?
	That's correct.
	The whistleblower David Grush seems to really... This guy fancies the life out of him, as far as I can tell.
	Allegedly.
	It might not be true.
	I wouldn't like to have those accusations levelled at me as a journalist.
	I just feel physically sick.
	Let's have a look at how he handles this conversation.
	Well, this is you, the original one that we played earlier in the week.
	We did this.
	If you've not watched this yet, it's up already on Rumble.
	It's also the 6.4 million Awakening Wonders could access it, but we prefer you go over to Rumble because it's part of our relationship with Rumble to suggest that to you.
	Let's have a look at this bit of content that we made.
	It's very funny.
	You were trusted with the most intimate secrets.
	Yes.
	Why are they making this so seductive and full of intrigue?
	You are one of the most handsome men I've ever seen.
	You look like Prince William a bit.
	Thank you.
	Your pecs are very well formed.
	Your nipples now, well, they're a bit like unidentified anomalous objects.
	Could we just get on with the interview?
	I have plenty of current, former senior intelligence officers that came to me, many of which I knew almost my whole career, that confided in me they were a part of a program, they named the program, I've never heard of it, and... This guy's falling in love with him, that's the problem, is the interview's like, oh, look at you, you know so much, you've seen things.
	Did they use an anal probe on you?
	No, no, may I?
	That's pretty funny.
	This is another part of the conversation where he seems to be taking the whole phenomena of extraterrestrial life much too personally.
	It's like he's talking about his own emotions.
	Do you think, have they ever harmed people?
	Have they killed them?
	Could I be in danger?
	I'm scared.
	He's taking the news too personally.
	As you know, as a discerning viewer, the news is just an entertainment product designed primarily to distract you and inculcate you with information that's antithetical to your advancements Like this guy, though, he's not.
	He's frightened by his own news.
	Right, what's on the news today?
	I'll do some news.
	There are aliens.
	Oh, my God.
	What if they touch me in a way I don't like?
	I mean, if it was you and me, David Grush, then I'd be fine, but not with these guys with their big grey faces and their big bloody great eyes.
	Oh, what are we going to do?
	Have a look.
	Have human beings been hurt?
	Or killed by a non-human intelligence?
	Well, I can't get into the specifics because that would reveal certain US classified operations.
	I was briefed by a few individuals on the program that there were malevolent events like that.
	Now I'm scared.
	People have just heard you say non-humans may well have murdered human beings.
	That seems to be the case at one point, yeah.
	Well, I'm not ready for that kind of news. Will you protect me, Dave?
	It's funny, because first he says, hurt, or killed.
	Like people who have just been hurt a little bit.
	Like, ah!
	Yeah.
	Oh, don't do that next time.
	Oh, that stings! You poked me then. Sorry.
	Yeah, if your extraterrestrial hurts you, I'm gonna, I'll whistle blow so hard.
	Also, the concepts of, like, murder to aliens, like, they don't exist... I mean, we're assuming they don't exist within the same kind of context as us.
	Was it first degree?
	Or second degree?
	Was it a crime of passion?
	It certainly would be if it was me on you.
	I'll kill you.
	If I'm gonna kill you, Dave, it's a crime of passion.
	Already, there's an unidentified flying object in my trousers.
	And it's starting to...
	Yeah, let's not overly sexualize the interview, but he seems to have done a good job of that himself.
	So there you go, the truth is out there.
	Ross Coltart.
	We want to get him on.
	Ross, come on our show so we can torment you relentlessly about your interviewing style.
	I think, what are we looking at now?
	A French bill to remotely switch on microphones?
	Oh, that's great.
	So, you know what's been going on in France.
	They're already unhappy.
	They're furious over there in France about having their pensions stolen.
	They recognize that France has become a corporatocracy, that Macron ...appears to be ignoring democratic process, ignoring even the recommendations of the highest systems of justice in France, now they want to impose a law that will allow them to spy on you in your own home.
	Let me know in the chat if you ever have that experience where you're talking about cats and then you get an advert.
	Why not buy, I don't know, a cat or a hat for your cat?
	Now they're going to definitely turn on microphones for Le Chat all over France.
	Why, Gail?
	Why are they doing it?
	Well, Snowden was interviewed recently, wasn't he?
	It was the 10-year anniversary of his revelations, and he was saying that what he revealed at the time is child's play compared to what is going on now.
	We had Schellenberger and Taibbi on the other day talking about the censorship industrial complex and the way that it's kind of You know, it's permeating through everything that we can imagine now.
	And now this is designed, as is always the case, to deal with terrorism, organised crime and delinquency.
	But apparently it's not just phones and computers that this can be done in.
	It's now baby monitors and TVs that could become data collection points.
	Have you noticed how often control is being exerted under the auspices of safety?
	What was the narrative of the pandemic?
	We have to protect you.
	We have to protect you.
	Well, now there have been revelations that it did not protect us.
	That, in fact, it was, at best, ineffective, and, at worst, caused needless deaths and needless suffering.
	Here we go again.
	The opportunity.
	We're spying on you for your safety.
	In order to keep you safe, I need to know exactly what your baby is saying at bedtime!
	That baby could go for your booby at any moment!
	Look at that little French baby!
	What's a baby gonna do?
	I've got one at me house.
	It can't barely do a thing.
	Have they done any crimes?
	Some.
	But that wouldn't have been helped by monitoring them.
	I think that would have just spurred them on to even greater criminality.
	It's plainly an attempt to further intervene in your private life.
	Yeah, and it's certainly not just going to happen in France.
	This is a trend that's going on all over the place.
	We know about the censorship bills that have been brought in in the Five Eyes countries at the moment, and if this is going to go on in France, we know this is going to go on across the EU.
	So, yeah, it's worrying, Ross.
	All across the world it seems that new measures are being implemented to further impose control on us.
	And what do we believe in here on Stay Free?
	Freedom, above all else.
	An optimistic perspective on humanity that you, if you are free to become the person that you're intended to be, will behave in alignment with higher principles.
	You don't need the constant intervention of the state in order to be a good person. You
	don't need a state that primarily serves the interests of large corporations.
	You don't need a state that wants to introduce social credit style risk
	scores to social media users. This is currently taking place. This is a story from
	Vice. What's happening here, Gal? Yeah, so this was a story published by
	Motherboard on Vice about the Department of Homeland Security.
	This was going back into 2018.
	They entered into a contract with the University of Alabama to develop a project that they dubbed Night Fury, which sounds great, doesn't it?
	Which was designed to analyze and assess risk scores to social media accounts.
	So essentially, using automation to evaluate people's social media accounts for connection to disinformation campaigns.
	Earth is making you so cynical about Project Night Fury.
	Yeah.
	It's like with tarot cards, when they say, no, no, don't worry.
	No, it's a good thing.
	If you get that skull, that's brilliant news.
	What's this one?
	It's a picture of a penis that's been cut off and put into a cereal dish.
	What's this one?
	That means you're gonna be happily married!
	That Tony the Tiger's gonna become your best friend!
	If you're watching us on YouTube, we're gonna have to leave you right now.
	Not because we don't love you.
	You are 6.4 million of the most beautiful people in the world.
	You are freedom fighters.
	You are radicals.
	You are free thinkers.
	We want you.
	We need you.
	We love you.
	We want you to click on the link in the description right now and join us on Rumble for our...
	A fantastic extract from a conversation we had with Michael Schellenberger and Matt Taibbi where an exclusive story was broken right here.
	Do you want to see what real news looks like?
	Are you sick and tired of the pulp, the pap, the bilge, the crap that they're pumping down you day and night consistently, constantly, an endless diet of lies and censorship and surveillance?
	Then join us.
	Join us on Rumble.
	We're not there to propitiate, propagate and promulgate hate speech.
	We've got no time for that.
	We're too busy.
	Fighting for freedom alongside you.
	Join us now.
	There's a link in the description.
	See you later, YouTube.
	Now, if you're watching us on Rumble, join us on Locals.
	Get a little bit deeper.
	Come a little deeper down the funnel.
	Join us in the crucible of truth.
	Now, this was a fantastic conversation that we had with Tybee and Schellenberg the other day.
	Of course, I'm doing a live conference with them.
	There's a link in the description.
	We'll post it in the chat right now.
	Uh, promoting a conversation that I'm going to be having with them to organize a movement against the censorship industrial complex.
	Do you want your French baby spied on?
	I'm sick of my French baby being spied on.
	Well, Matt Haiby and Schellenberger are part of the solution.
	Don't think for a moment that the fact that I belched No, no.
	No.
	That's right.
	I'm not serious about it. It just means I like to have them drinks that have been, what is it called? Fermented.
	Yeah.
	That's right.
	Good for the belly button, apparently.
	Not good for the broadcasting.
	Not good for that! Bad! Very bad indeed.
	It's fairly bad. The worst.
	So Schellenberger, we can say this now because we're on Rumble, apparently the first people that got COVID by some weird
	coincidence all worked at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
	That's weird.
	Down at the old Wuhan Institute of Virology, a lot of people are getting a virus.
	Yeah, but that's probably... They didn't get it down the old Institute of Virology.
	They could have got that anywhere.
	For example, that wet market.
	Have you been down that wet market lately?
	The stink!
	Of the place.
	Would you imagine that they were researching these three scientists?
	Those guys?
	Down at the Institute of Virology?
	Yeah, just have a little guess.
	Maybe what they were researching down there.
	Like, probably they're trying to make a new range of diapers that don't cause nappy rash.
	Not that, no.
	Uh, a lipstick.
	They put a lipstick on a rabbit, make sure it don't hurt the lips.
	It isn't that either, no.
	It's a good guess, good guess, good guess.
	I know what it is.
	A cheap, reasonable cancer drug, accessible at cost-white-label price.
	Definitely not that, definitely not that.
	Okay, okay, what could it be?
	New bespoke vaccines that are gonna end the tyranny of diabetes.
	No, it's gain-of-function experiments.
	Gain-of-function?
	I've heard of that somewhere.
	I've heard of it on the news every day.
	I've heard how dangerous it is.
	It's so ridiculous.
	Remember, like, this is, you know, you'll be familiar with the magic bullet theory from the film JFK by the great director Oliver Stone.
	It's where the government had to put forth the idea that Oswald killed JFK and the reason that that bullet was able to reach the back of his head even though Oswald was In a trajectory where that would be impossible, it's because the bullet bounced around in all sorts of directions.
	Here's Fauci's version of the magic bullet theory.
	We call this Fauci's Magic Lab.
	And I'd get Bad Graphics Jack to make one, but we just simply don't have the time or confidence in Bad Graphics Jack.
	Let's have a look at Fauci postulating how that virus didn't come from that lab.
	Let's see.
	A lab leak could be that someone was out in the wild, maybe looking for different types of viruses in bats.
	Do you know what I do in my spare time?
	When I'm not in the lab working on viruses, I think, oh, you know, let's get away from it all.
	Bit of a holiday.
	A bit of a break!
	Yeah.
	A bit of me time!
	Just relax.
	There's more to me than being down at the Institute of Virology in Wuhan.
	I'm complicated.
	You think you know me?
	You think my job defines me?
	Dreams.
	I go straight out of the Wuhan Institute of Virology, I pop into the wet market, I get myself one of them little armadillo things, in a sandwich.
	Yes.
	A little bite of that.
	Like a wrap or something.
	Just a sort of wrap, I'm watching my weight.
	Low carbs diet.
	Then, I'm straight down the bat cave.
	Absolutely.
	I relax, I unwind, I see what these bats are doing up there.
	I sniff them, I lick them, I suck them, and I'm not ashamed to admit, sometimes I fuck them.
	What?
	Hey!
	You don't own me!
	I'm complicated!
	Do they consent?
	Absolutely they do.
	You know their little bat faces?
	I take that to be... Fuck me up my bat hole.
	Hey, Rumble!
	Rumble!
	Why did we come here?
	Was it for that?
	Yeah, all the while we were talking to Rumble about this deal, about streaming 46 weeks a year, one hour a day, I was thinking, this will be worth it, because one day I'll say, fuck me up the battle, and it will be in.
	Yeah, it'll be in.
	Like, you can't, that's a part... Untouchable.
	Uncensored part of the show.
	Free speech, baby!
	Free speech!
	Where freedom and speech meet, you get free speech.
	Where free speech meets, you get freech.
	Roll it, baby!
	Freech.
	Where freedom and speech meet, you get free speech.
	Where free speech meets, you get freech.
	Fuck me up the butthole, baby, if this isn't the best episode of freech.
	You're going to keep saying that, aren't you?
	You are going to keep saying that.
	It's necessary.
	It's part of what we do.
	Imagine how we're going to get into the conversation with Julian Dix!
	West Ham United player and legend Julian Dix will be joining us in Football Is Nice and you will stay watching it because we care about you and that's the reason.
	Let's ask him about Wuhan.
	Julian, what did you think about the Wuhan?
	Sounds a bit like West Ham.
	It does, it does.
	It sounds enough like it to be confusing.
	Now, where is the free speech that I require?
	Here it is.
	General.
	This is from Chris E. Russell, you've convinced me with your constant urgings.
	I'm going to see what Loki's all about.
	Join us on Loki's.
	Press the red button.
	When you said general, I thought you meant that was from a general.
	This is from Pol Pot.
	Uh, this is about UFOs.
	Silfilka.
	All of a sudden, the government is happy to talk about UFOs after decades of ridiculing anyone who wanted to investigate these stories.
	And funny how these acceptable witnesses are part of intelligence agencies who have proven themselves really trustworthy in the past.
	That's a good point, Silfilka.
	Yeah.
	I'm... Can you ask Silky Carlo... Excuse me.
	Don't ask her that.
	Don't ask her that.
	Never let her know I did that.
	I'm embarrassed.
	But can you ask her, have... I want a Freedom of Information Act filed.
	I want to know if I'm being spied on, gal.
	Yeah.
	Well, I've been doing it for a baby monitor.
	What I do up there in my crib is my business.
	What I do there... And I know it's the sound of some bats.
	I'll tell you that as well.
	Well, part of my free speech and part of my pastimes, my cat's bringing the bats.
	How can you hear them?
	They're sonar.
	It's inaudible.
	I could hear them.
	It's inaudible.
	Bear, the dog can hear them, but you can't, baby.
	So, I mean, I want to know if I've been spied on by the government.
	Trajan.
	Interesting, but whenever revelations about the Biden family's criminal activities heat up in the news, we start hearing government propaganda stories about UFOs, Trump, Ukraine.
	Do you think it's that?
	Do you think it's a distraction?
	Let me know in the chat.
	We'll read it out.
	We care about your free speech.
	This is us caring about your free speech in actual real time.
	True Chimera.
	I don't believe Jeremy Corbell is real.
	Make me believe.
	He is real.
	I've met him.
	He's nice.
	He's the real deal.
	There he is.
	That's him.
	That's him there.
	He is real.
	And I trust him.
	Is he AI?
	Could he be AI?
	Could he be A.I.?
	Let me know in the chat if you think he's A.I.
	He can't be A.I., can he?
	Is he A.I.?
	Could he be A.I.?
	Nah.
	Could he?
	A.I.?
	I don't think so.
	Okay, time now for... This is a story that is gonna knock your knickers into a postbox.
	You are gonna... This is extraordinary.
	Your fingernails are gonna fall off with this one because we've had a good look at this Trump...
	Persecution.
	Prosecution.
	Aren't we, Gail?
	Yeah.
	We've studied it.
	The use of the Espionage Act previously has been used not to prosecute, but to malign, to attack, to exile Edward Snowden.
	The Espionage Act is the very act that Julian Assange would be tried under if he ever faced trial.
	He's still in prison for some reason, even though he's obviously not been convicted of anything, because he hasn't had a trial yet, so how can he be convicted of anything?
	Espionage is the crime that they are trying to level at Donald Trump.
	Now of course he's got, it seems like a lot of boxes of secrets.
	But we've got a lot of questions on those boxes of secrets.
	Who decides what secrets should be kept from us?
	Are these secrets there in order to protect us or control us?
	Based on the last few years, based on what you already know, do you think that these powerful deep state agencies, the media, the judiciary, big government and the corporatized global elites want justice?
	Want you safe?
	Or do they want to control you?
	And is Trump the thing they fear most?
	Here's the news!
	No!
	Here's the F in news.
	Thanks for refusing Fox News.
	Here's the news.
	No.
	Here's the F in news.
	Donald Trump is being charged with the Espionage Act.
	Could that act be named the Get Rid of People We Don't Like Act, particularly if they don't want ongoing wars?
	Donald Trump is being charged with the Espionage Act.
	Is this potentially because his attitude to war, in particular the Ukraine-Russian war, threatens establishment interest?
	Now, you know we have complex perspectives on the phenomenon of Donald Trump.
	I know a lot of you like him.
	I know a lot of you don't like him.
	But what's very interesting is the possibility of the fact that the establishment is trying to bring him down using an act that they used successfully to put Assange in jail, to exile Edward Snowden.
	Is it possible that the Espionage Act has become a catch-all piece of legislation to shut down voices that threaten powerful interests?
	And again, I say this from the perspective of someone who is not a MAGA hat-wearing Trump lover, but respect for those of you that hate the establishment from any perspective.
	Much of the content we're creating for you today comes from the website of the World Socialist Organization.
	So this, whatever it may be, is not a right-wing take.
	And yet, it is saying that the establishment are trying to bring down Trump, not because they believe he's a criminal, but because they believe he's a threat.
	Good evening, once again, I'm Stephanie Ruhle.
	This was a day unlike any other in American history.
	Donald Trump, a former commander-in-chief, appeared in a court as a defendant in a case brought by the government he once ran.
	You see that the mainstream media have almost been briefed to say this is a historic event.
	This is unprecedented.
	They are amplifying the significance of these events.
	I'm not arguing that they are not significant, but if you compare them to the evident war crimes, alleged war crimes of George Bush, the improprieties of Bill Clinton, the handling of the financial crisis by Barack Obama, I would say that this is a comparable event.
	And just to show you that I'm not a pro-Trump person, I think it's worse that Trump gave tax breaks to the richest Americans that negatively impacted ordinary Americans like you.
	And I think that if he's going to be prosecuted for anything, it should be that.
	So let's look at this in a little more detail.
	Is the Espionage Act being used to bring Trump down the same way it was Assange and Snowden?
	Or is there a genuine concern that Trump was a threat to national security?
	Let me know in the comments in the chat.
	What's that supposed to mean?
	What's that additional detail?
	His arms are crossed.
	His arms are TIGHTLY crossed.
	Maybe because he's got some secret documents under there.
	Inside, Trump was arraigned on 37 felony counts, 31 of them in violation of the Espionage Act.
	Now, how is the espionage frequently used, and why is it deployed?
	Is it in order to pursue justice or is it in order to shut down dissent?
	On Tuesday, for the first time in US history, a former president was arraigned in court for violating federal criminal law.
	The decision to indict Donald Trump reflects profound divisions within the ruling class and accelerates a crisis that will rattle the foundations of the American political establishment in the coming weeks and months.
	The indictment centres on Trump's retention of state secrets relating to US imperialism's plans for war.
	Many of you, when sticking up for Donald Trump, often cite the fact that he was a rare example of a president that didn't go to war.
	Now I think some drone strikes continued and stuff like that, but at least he didn't start any new wars.
	So, this is an interesting take, that the establishment, in its imperialist aims, requires ongoing war.
	That's a difficult It appears that companies like Lockheed Martin, sponsors of Gay Pride, bizarrely, and Raytheon and Northrop Grumman have incredible power.
	And as part of a corporate body that is the true governing power of the United States of America, let me know in the comments, are able to impose their aims and desires on the governing administration.
	So you have to decide as a viewer, as an American, as a citizen of the world, what do you think motivates the establishment?
	A requirement for justice?
	A longing for righteousness?
	Or do you think, having observed society for a while now, that dominion and profit appear to be the main motivators when it comes to the actions of the powerful?
	Let me know in the chat.
	Among the documents that the indictment states Trump kept after leaving office are those detailing the nuclear capabilities of the US and its enemies, as well as attack plans against various countries and contingencies for war.
	Yeah, but he was only showing them a kid rock.
	The state guards such documents as top secret because the population cannot be allowed to know about them.
	Another significant and important question.
	Here are two questions that you could ask yourself.
	Like, imagine this.
	Alright, Trump's a criminal.
	Lock him up.
	What about war criminal presence in history?
	And what about the category of top secret information?
	Are you confident that all of that top secret information is to your benefit and to your advantage?
	Or do you think that maybe some of it, if you knew it, would prevent you cooperating with the ruling class?
	Let me know in the chat.
	To safeguard its secret war plans, the Biden administration's indictment relies for statutory authority almost entirely on the Espionage Act of 1917.
	For over a century, the Espionage Act has served as the sharpest legal implement in the toolshed of state reaction, used for the purpose of suppressing opposition to imperialist war.
	So, check out that bit of analysis.
	Think about Edward Snowden's current position.
	Think about Julian Assange's current position.
	They were both threatened with prosecution under the Espionage Act.
	Based on just those couple of tidbits, does it seem that the Espionage Act's function is judicial, or do you think it's punitive?
	The Espionage Act, which was based explicitly on the Alien and Sedition Act of 1798, arose in the bloody adolescence of American imperialism when it confronted the outbreak of the First World War and the Russian Revolution.
	Washington followed these developments with the most intense concern and attention and enacted the Espionage Act to protect the state from the threat of revolution and to eliminate obstacles to waging imperialist war.
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	Since becoming law, the Espionage Act has served as the statutory foundation for the massive national security apparatus that both parties have constructed over the last century.
	In his book, Secrecy, former Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan wrote that with the passage of the Act, the modern age began.
	So this is a significant tool in the establishment of imperialist power.
	He continued.
	Think about how those words resonate in this day and age.
	How often people are censored and smeared on the basis of conspiracy.
	election or opposition. He continued, three new institutions had entered American life.
	Conspiracy, loyalty, secrecy. Think about how those words resonate in this day and age.
	How often people are censored and smeared on the basis of conspiracy. Think about how
	fealty, loyalty to the cause is cited.
	Think how we're supposed to accept certain ideological constructs that may not be beneficial to us and also might be a matter of personal choice rather than state dicta.
	And secrecy, think of the contradiction that exists now when all of your information has become accessible by state power That's what Snowden's revelations outlined and detailed and it continues to this very day and in fact has got worse since then but they are able to keep information from you.
	There is a bigger conversation to be had here.
	It's bigger even than Donald Trump and his almighty appeal and ego.
	Is it the role of government to keep information from you?
	To have the sole privilege over who can be surveilled, who can have violence enacted upon them, or are there new ways of organising democracy?
	Each had antecedents, but now there was a difference.
	Each had become institutional.
	Bureaucracies were established to attend to each.
	In time there would be a Federal Bureau of Investigation to keep track of conspiracy at home, a Central Intelligence Agency to keep tabs abroad.
	An espionage statuette and loyalty boards to root out disloyalty or subversion.
	When we talk about the deep state and their power, when we talk about the deep state meddling with social media, a new, apparently independent form of communication, we are talking about agencies that are founded on these principles.
	Perhaps it therefore can be argued that the establishment's problems with Donald Trump aren't based on morality or even criminality, but his ability to subvert and bypass systems of deep state control long established.
	Let me know what you think in the chat.
	And all of this would be maintained and the national security would be secured through elaborate regimes of secrecy.
	Over the course of the 20th century, the Espionage Act has been utilised by Republican and Democratic administrations to carry out some of its most atrocious crimes.
	During the Second World War, after Franklin Delano Roosevelt's Attorney General Francis Biddle had convicted 18 members of the Socialist Worker Party under the Smith Act for opposing the war, Biddle used the Espionage Act to bar the SWP from distributing its publication, The Militant, through the mail.
	In exactly the same way that opposition to the Ukrainian war would be censored now.
	Under the auspices of new agencies like misinformation, malinformation, etc.
	Exactly the same way that during the pandemic opposing even now admittedly true voices were censored and controlled.
	Here we see the seeds that have grown into the state apparatus that's being used today to convict Trump and to control all of us.
	In the years following the Second World War, the Espionage Act served as the pseudo-legal backbone for the anti-communist witch hunts of the 1950s, including, most notoriously, the murder of Ethel and Julius Rosenberg on June 19, 1953, on trumped-up charges that they conspired to conduct atomic espionage for the Soviet Union.
	The government decided to charge the Rosenbergs under the Espionage Act, rather than the Atomic Secrets Act, because the former carried a death penalty, while the latter did not.
	In 1971, the Nixon administration charged Daniel Ellsberg with violating the Espionage Act after the former RAND employee provided the New York Times and Washington Post with the Pentagon Papers, which detailed the war plans and crimes of US imperialism in Southeast Asia.
	It's just a short time ago that this state power was used to persecute the other side of the political argument.
	That's why it's so important that regardless of your current political affiliations, you're able to track tyranny in any form, that you're able to peel away the veneers and recognize that what's underneath it is a desire to control you, to impede your freedom, and to make it look necessary.
	Though presidential administrations of the 20th century were hesitant to use the Espionage Act too often, any restraint was abandoned by Barack Obama, whose Justice Department prosecuted more people under the Espionage Act than all previous presidents combined.
	Not part of the narrative often heard in the celebration of his doubtless skills as a charismatic leader and orator.
	The Obama administration's prosecutions focused solely on stopping leaks of military documents to the press, which essentially means stopping you finding out the truth about your government and what you pay for in foreign wars.
	Those prosecuted by Obama included Jeffrey Alexander Sterling, a former CIA officer who revealed to New York Times journalist James Risen details of covert CIA spying on Iran, Thomas Drake, a former National Security Agency official who attempted to blow the whistle on NSA spying, to the Baltimore Sun, Chelsea Manning who provided
	information about US war crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan to WikiLeaks, John Kirikou who leaked
	information about the illegal torture of detainees, Edward Snowden who provided journalists with
	a massive document showing the NSA were engaged in massive illegal surveillance
	against the world's population.
	Yeah, but it was only the world's population.
	And Daniel Hale who leaked internal military documents about the Pentagon's drone assassination
	Each use of the Espionage Act will have been sold to you for your safety, for your protection.
	But doesn't it actually show massive government corruption?
	The decision to prosecute Trump under the Espionage Act comes as the Biden administration continues to fight to extradite WikiLeaks publisher Julian Assange from Belmarsh Prison in London where it's been locked in a cell for four years.
	Assange's crime is that he published evidence of massive war crimes conducted by American imperialism and its allies.
	He faces a potential 170-year prison sentence under Espionage Act charges.
	Well, at least when Trump goes to prison for the first 170 years, he can be mates with Julian Assange.
	Amidst the voluminous media commentary on the indictment, there is little discussion of the content and implications of the documents Trump removed from the White House.
	Which involve the most dangerous and explosive secrets that the US military and intelligence apparatus possess.
	Yeah, I'd like to know actually what's in these documents are so worrying and is it as bad as former war crimes?
	Is it as bad as state imperialism?
	Is it as bad as the fact that democracy at this point in history is just a performance?
	The documents involve the permanent and ongoing conspiracy of American imperialism against the population of the entire world.
	Oh, that's an interesting story.
	Maybe that's a bit more important than whether or not Donald Trump folds his arms tightly or loosely.
	Trump is no victim of the state.
	He is the former commander-in-chief of the US military.
	But the prosecution of Donald Trump under the Espionage Act can produce no progressive outcome.
	This is precisely why the Democratic Party has selected the Espionage Act as its legal vehicle for attempting to remove Trump from the political arena.
	Even the World Socialist Organization are willing to recognize that the function of this trial is to remove Trump from the political arena.
	And even if you hate Trump, wouldn't you prefer a political arena that didn't rely on these means?
	Wouldn't you prefer a political climate that wasn't reduced to just dismissing and smearing their opponents rather than improving their own game?
	They cannot improve their own game because they are owned by corporate interests.
	This effort is motivated in particular by Trump's stated positions on the US-NATO war against Russia over Ukraine.
	The Biden administration is absolutely committed to the war against Russia over Ukraine.
	The initiation of the Ukrainian counteroffensive last week is the precursor to a massive escalation of US-NATO involvement in the war.
	That's good because this is something we'll be able to track, won't we?
	We'll be able to see if in the coming weeks there is an escalation.
	We'll be able to look, won't we, at Lockheed Martin and Raytheon's profits, and we'll be able to look to see which Pentagon officials formerly held posts at Raytheon or Lockheed Martin, like the current Minister of Defence.
	We'll be able to decide for ourselves if this analysis is true, won't we?
	A direct intervention involving NATO troops is coming and may not be far off.
	Under these conditions, the American ruling class, or at least significant sections of He's not prepared to accept Trump as the leader of its foreign policy.
	Trump is the leading Republican candidate for president and the prospect of his return to office is a very real and dangerous one.
	But the ruling class knows that the war which the US and NATO are escalating against Russia will unleash profound opposition and they are preparing their mechanisms to suppress and illegalize anti-war sentiment and crush strikes that threaten production.
	The Espionage Act will no doubt be used for this purpose.
	So you can decide for yourself the veracity of this analysis from the World Socialist Organization, who I think are not right-wing.
	Have you noticed an increase in surveillance?
	Have you noticed an increase in censorship?
	Have you noticed an inability to oppose military action?
	Have you noticed an escalation in tensions between the US and China?
	Have you noticed that the establishment is determined to pursue its agenda at any cost?
	Have you noticed that there is no real democracy in America?
	Have you noticed that there is a requirement for real and radical change and isn't that what we should be addressing?
	Giving people real democratic options.
	Removing the hegemony that currently has co-opted the Democrat Party.
	Allowing debates between Joe Biden, Marianne Williamson and RFK.
	Letting the people decide for themselves.
	We've already seen what happened when a even slightly radical figure like Bernie Sanders emerged within the Democrat Party.
	He was shut down and now he votes for war along with the rest of them.
	In this instance, in this argument, what we have to recognize is that Trump is being shut down because he's a threat to the establishment.
	And whether you like it or not, the facts appear to speak for themselves.
	But that's just what I think.
	Why don't you let me know what you think in the comments and the chat.
	How do these crimes tally with the crimes of Barack Obama?
	With the crimes of Bill Clinton?
	With the crimes of George W. Bush?
	With the crimes of Boris Johnson?
	Why do we even have the category of classification beyond matters that are of direct threat to the domestic population of America and their allies?
	But that's just what I think.
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	No, he's the fucking dude!
	The world is a complicated place with all of its injustice, skullduggery and batfuckery.
	But football is one place where we can rely on justice, authenticity, honesty, community.
	Why?
	Because football is nice.
	Football is nice.
	And what a week it's been in the beautiful game with West Ham United
	quite rightly being crowned Kings of Europe with their victory against
	Fiorentina in the only European competition that matters.
	Elsewhere, Manchester City had a narrow victory against Inter Milan that no one seems to very much This is very much a week defined by West Ham United and their successes.
	In fact, this story for me evokes the purpose of this podcast.
	That football can be an opportunity for communities to come together, to find unity and unification.
	A ceremony can be created that unleashes elsewhere repressed joy.
	Where was the joy before it was unleashed by West Ham's victory against Fiorentina?
	What condition were my dad's ribs in before the goal celebration that followed Jared Bowen's 90th minute strike?
	Hull's own Jared Bowen.
	In a way, like, in fact, Our abilities to predict things look fantastic, because I think I said something about Saeed Benrahma last week, prior to the game.
	You certainly brought up Jared Bowen, and I believe you correctly predicted the entire score, making you very much the man-city of our own Little League, a corporatised giant.
	That's right.
	Plays the game by any means necessary, unlike me.
	Plucky underdog.
	A plucky, belching underdog.
	Later on, we're going to be talking to Julian Dix, who's perhaps West Ham's most beloved ever full-back, along with the likes of Ray Stewart, Geordie Parrish, you know, I mean, the list goes on.
	Young Robocop, who's there now.
	It was an amazing game.
	In fact, a lot of West Ham full-backs are hard.
	Stuart Pearce, very hard.
	Sufow, I feel, is hard.
	You would imagine so.
	And there's no doubt in the hardness of Julian Dix, who we'll be talking to a little bit later about his book, Hammer Time, Me, West Ham and a Passion for the Shirt.
	It's a great title.
	Of course it is, Hammer Time.
	About time someone referenced MC Hammer in the title of their autobiography.
	Julian Dix was the man to ultimately do that.
	What a week it's been for me in West Ham Heroes.
	Before we get into the events of Prague, which is where the final took place, I want to tell you a personal story.
	In the semi-final against AZ Alkmaar, Like West Ham, there was some violence.
	Of course that didn't involve West Ham fans, who historically have been among the best behaved fans in the game.
	But it did involve those, I'm going to call them Dutch monsters, of AZ Alkmaar, who invaded the friends and family section at the stadium for the away game there in Amsterdam.
	One man, or two men, stood against the tide, the torrent of hooligans.
	Famously, Nolzi.
	here he is doing exactly that right well the other day gal there was some filming taking
	place down my street Yeah.
	Well, when I say down my street, I mean down my river, because... So you think of it as yours, don't you?
	Basically, it actually belongs to everyone.
	Yeah.
	When you think about it, it's ludicrous that anyone would claim to own a street, a river, or anything, because we're all temporarily here, and it seems that there is some permanent haunting within nature that belies the deeper truth that none of us own anything, not even our own bodies, our own lives.
	Anyway, they were filming Midsomer Murders, which is like a British Cop show that's all very sort of slow and lethargic like American cop shows are very much like
	Hey, fuck you!
	And like the wire.
	But British cop shows are like, no, I put it to you that your auntie stowed the arsenic in a jam jar.
	Aren't they?
	Little things like that.
	It's quaint, isn't it?
	Quaint.
	Very local as well.
	Yeah.
	They'll take place in like one bit of a village or something.
	Yeah.
	And there's too many murders in that village.
	There's far too many going on in one village.
	What you've got to look at is the quaint...
	Homicide axis.
	It may score very high in quaintness in this village, but as you can see, every hour there is a lethal, deadly, unnecessary murder.
	Would you consider moving to the city?
	Oh no, it's too much crime.
	They're bipolar, the residents of Midsomer.
	They're going around throwing tea parties and things one minute, but by night, they're committing crimes.
	Do you put the cream or the jam first on your scone vicar?
	I tell you what, do I cut your fucking throat?
	What? Bloody hell! I don't want to live here no more!
	Anyway, they were filming an episode of that, a couple of gardens down on the river.
	You wanted to get involved, didn't you?
	Of course I did, because you know how people when they're filming, they act like it's the world's most serious thing.
	Have you ever gone past a film set, let me know in the chat, they're like,
	Please, like if there's a road or anything, like stop traffic and we're high and this, this,
	like it's the world's most important thing that's ever happened, like they're conducting heart surgery.
	You know what you're doing? We're making Midsommar's Murder, a highly improbable TV show.
	Whatever it is, it's irrelevant, isn't it?
	It's just that they're ridiculous, so they're taking it so seriously.
	We're making Batman, there's a man over there pretending to be a bat.
	Please, slow down, but we've got to get this ambulance, the kidney surgery is imminent.
	Shh, but he's pretending that he wants to be a bat.
	That's what!
	Haha.
	How exactly did he acquire this desire?
	Well, he was in a bat cave, carrying out his normal routine of bat-related activities, culminating, of course, in the world-famous bat fuck, and then he became a vigilante.
	That's a reference to the rest of the show.
	You'll have to watch that on Rumble if you listen to this as a podcast.
	Anyway, so... So, you saw the Midsomer Murders were being filmed.
	Couple of gardens along.
	And you thought to yourself... And my children.
	I thought to myself and I thought to my children.
	I bet you thought...
	Hang on a second guest appearance in Neighbors guest appearance in Midsomer murders more like yeah, and I thought I'll get guest appearance out of this and also I can do I like Like you can't stop me doing what I like so I went by boat to the end of the garden Yeah, I was like and like someone went Shh!
	Shh!
	so important, shhh, it's important what we're doing here.
	Right, and I was like, um, I goes what are you, are you first AD to this kid? Let him know I
	know the nomenclature, I know the lingo. Why did you think they were first AD? I didn't
	think that they were first AD.
	I thought it was time to say a bit of language that separated me from the sort of person that can be shushed.
	What is this, 4x3 or 16x9?
	What are you shooting at, mate?
	4K?
	Oh, it's a good day!
	Oh, no, no, no, no, no.
	You've made a mistake there, mate.
	This is a murder plot.
	Should have done it in black and white.
	That's how I make all my films.
	Mate, in black and white these days, it's more classy.
	Do you know what I mean?
	Seventh Seal.
	It's my favourite.
	What's this, Bergman?
	Karasaki?
	This, is it?
	Right, so I go, are you first AB?
	He goes, third.
	I go, go and get the first AB.
	Go and get the first, I ain't even talking to you, mate.
	Anyway, so the first AB comes over, a few people recognise me, it starts to seem like I'm being welcomed, quite rightly, as a visiting dignitary, which is what I am.
	You were up in for John Nettles, weren't you?
	He's not even on it anymore.
	Nettles?
	Oh yeah, he's long gone, Nettles.
	You'll be lucky at getting Nettles, but I see you're Nettles, and I'll raise you Nulls, right?
	Bowling over comes none other than the angel of Alkmaar himself, Nolzi!
	What?
	He comes bowling over, here's a photograph of me with him, he goes, Russell!
	Nolzi!
	Like that, and he's a unit, he's a big fella, and also I'm sort of engaged in what could be regarded as an act of essentially trespass, because I'm coming into a territory, but that's the very thing that those AZ Alkmaar fans were doing.
	So I could have antagonised Nolzi.
	You're expecting a stiff upper...
	Well, it'd have been a... Mostly they were over... What kind of punch is that, Dan?
	That's a sort of an overhead punch, he would like... Like an... Overhand blow to the skull, is what I was expecting.
	That's what he was delivering to those people coming up the stage.
	Anyway, he was there, his son-in-law, who's the other lad with the green hoodie up, he was there.
	They're Grips, on Midsummer Murders.
	Oh, I thought he might be playing the murderer.
	No, of course he's not nosy!
	He's also, he...
	Denounced all glamorization of hooliganism and violence.
	He's not like that way at all.
	I noticed he was wearing a Poppy Day sort of bracelet, uh, like, or band type thing.
	Oh, it was lovely.
	I got photos done with him, photos done with his nephews.
	I was all over that set for a while.
	My children, very bored of the, uh, Midsummer's Murders set.
	But hang on, wasn't he meant to be escorting you away from the set?
	Wasn't that the job that he was paid to do?
	No, that's not his job.
	He just came over to say hello and, like, we made a connection.
	Oh, he's not security.
	Sorry.
	No, he's not.
	He's a grip.
	He's a grip.
	Yeah, I think it might be the gaffer.
	What are these technical terms that you use, Russell?
	Oh, I just use them.
	To me they ain't even technical terms!
	I've never heard of these terms.
	Technical terms!
	Someone who's worked in the industry.
	Technical terms, I use them!
	Yep, that's right.
	Oh, listen, oh my God, we've only got a few minutes before Julian Dix.
	Anyway, so that is my encounter with Knowlesy.
	We're now firm friends.
	Got his number in your phone?
	Of course you got his number in your phone.
	I didn't get Knowlesy's number.
	What?
	But look at the softness to him.
	Look at the beauty to him.
	Look how gentle and kind he looks.
	He's still got all the remains of his shiner, acquired that day.
	He has.
	Well, the reason that we're celebrating football is because of heroes like Knowlesy who emerge from the context of the game and the ceremonies they're in.
	Do you want to have a look?
	Let's have a look at West Ham kid.
	I love this.
	This is a kid who can't be older in my mind than seven or eight years old and yet he's already learned how to be a proper West Ham fan.
	He's like, I can't believe we've won something.
	He's only been at Alive ten minutes!
	We weren't even born in 2006 when we were in the FA Cup Final and lost to Liverpool.
	But yeah, he's already acquired the lacrimose, remorseful quality of a West Ham fan.
	He's saddened that.
	And also, even in a quick mainstream media interview, he gets a dig in at Tottenham Hotspur.
	Very accomplished.
	Have a look at this lovely West Ham supporting lad.
	This is the best night of my life ever.
	I just can't believe I'm here.
	I think I'm dreaming.
	I just can't believe West Ham have won something.
	We've won more titles than Spurs tonight.
	I just can't believe this.
	God, what do you want?
	The mum very proud there.
	They've got that digging.
	West Ham are the best club in the world.
	I'm saying it.
	West Ham are the best club in the world.
	God, what do you want?
	Wow.
	Amazing. Lovely, wasn't it?
	You know, like at Liverpool, they say this means more.
	Like somehow it's got more meaning.
	And it's a weird idea that something could have more meaning.
	But if you contrast the...
	I know Man City fans, I know you had your long period in the wilderness.
	This is not about Man City fans.
	This is about the co-opting of your beautiful club by corporate interests and even national interests, global
	interests, that currently align with your agenda as a fan
	because you want to see your team win.
	I went on Talk Sport with the brilliant Simon Jordan and adorable Jim White, and we had a conversation about how, like, you know, the problem in the game is player wages.
	And I said, that can't be the problem in the game, player wages, because the intention of the various corporate and globalist interests that are perched in football clubs Can't be.
	How do we pay footballers more money?
	There must be another reason.
	And when you know what that reason is, corporatisation, sports washing, commodification, creating global brands, ultimately a global super league, that is the thing that needs to be addressed by regulation.
	If you regulate a symptom, you don't deal with the problem.
	It's just plain and obvious to me.
	If not, Simon Jordan, who's going to come on the show, actually, he's going to come here live, Gareth, so we'll be dealing with Simon Jordan.
	That'll be exciting.
	If you're a football fan, post your questions in the chat.
	Now, you can see how much this means to West Ham.
	In a way, it could be argued that West Ham fans have overreacted.
	Yeah, I mean, that kid, you could imagine him doing the same thing if he didn't want to go to bed one night.
	You know, that's the kind of reaction that children give.
	Guys, I can't!
	I just can't go to bed!
	I've got so much to live for!
	You're a long time dead!
	I can't believe it!
	What's the point of dying?
	What's the point of going to bed and just going to dream about bloody Tottenham Hotspurs and David, Blee, and Martin, yo!
	I can't take it!
	What's the point of Burbatov?
	What's the point of having a player if he's just gonna serve?
	What's the point of Gareth Bale?
	Yeah, like, yeah, you're right.
	He's sort of like the level of emotional commitment.
	And also the, sort of, the bus tour at, like, around East London, which I was, I didn't attend, was, like, just looked amazing.
	I can't help but think what would happen if you were able to harness and direct this energy that's plainly there and is released at the moment of victory.
	What would happen if it was directed towards the very thing that football is, in my opinion, essentially celebrating togetherness, unity, common cause, overcoming the odds, many, many themes, many themes.
	But I wonder what would happen if it was differently Yeah, you're right, because it also, it doesn't pertain to whatever level the victory comes at, you know, like you were saying, like, you know, I watch the conference final and the, you know, Wrexham going up and the kind of euphoria that can come, it doesn't matter what level it is.
	And then, you know, Knox County and all that.
	It's really incredible.
	So I get so carried away and quite emotional by clubs that I have literally nothing to do with.
	I don't remotely care about.
	But when you see the kind of passion and the joy that it elicits and creates, you're right that we all have that ability in us.
	We all want to feel the way that these people are feeling.
	We just don't have the opportunity to.
	Yogananda, the mystic and prophet, said that within you is a river of joy, that you are prevented from accessing by your conditioning, but it is there.
	The function of ceremony, beyond the context of sport, is to elicit and access energies that are otherwise latent and dormant.
	That's the point in a wedding or a funeral.
	In an increasingly secularised society, you don't get the opportunity for religious ceremony anymore, because religion has been superseded by rationalism.
	But when, even in a sporting context, you create ceremonies, you rightly say, Gareth, it doesn't matter what the economic rewards are, or even the degree of excellence that we're celebrating.
	There's obviously no question that Manchester City are the best football team in the world.
	Maybe ever.
	I mean, they're a phenomenal team, managed by an extraordinary coach, with incredible resources, playing the game to an unbelievably high level.
	But the fact is that elsewhere, as you say, mate, whether it's Notts County or Wrexham or West Ham winning a cup where, if you look at it plainly on paper, there's the teams that qualify for the Champions League, then there's the teams that qualify for the Europa League, Then there's the teams that qualify for the Europa League.
	But think of the play-offs.
	I've always thought that the play-offs in which the top teams of a division outside of the top two, so the teams between usually third and seventh or sixth, play against each other.
	I've always thought, bloody hell, that's sort of better than if you'd gone up as champions, really.
	You get a day at a stadium, you get a trophy, it's exciting, it's thrilling, because the ceremony Unleash is something that's there anyway.
	It's already there.
	You can't create it.
	It's as numb as pouring something into each individual.
	But communally, an energy is conjured up.
	You're right.
	That kid could not possibly understand the kind of tragedy that you associate with West Ham over the years.
	In footballing terms, I mean.
	Yeah.
	But he's accessing something, isn't he?
	Although elsewhere, the tragedies are directly connected to football, particularly with the club Liverpool, with the disasters around the 97 that died and the Heysel disaster.
	Here's an amazing thing as well.
	David Moyes, the manager of West Ham, has been derided.
	He took the poison chalice of managing Manchester United immediately after Ferguson and whilst his success in retrospect is comparable to some of the other people that have taken on the role in the interceding years.
	He was sort of much maligned in these periods at Sunderland and Real Sociedad were regarded as failures.
	So he similarly is affected by the ceremony.
	He's not like, oh, well, this is a third tier European competition.
	Who cares?
	It's not important.
	I mean, if you didn't know anything about football, and I barely do, you would sort of think, well, how would you measure The importance of the event.
	Look at all the people in the street.
	And how can you bring it down by sort of going, oh, excuse me, it's not as important as that.
	Well, what's the most relevant thing?
	What's the realest thing?
	Joy in your heart?
	Or someone pointing to a bit of paper saying, this team has got loads more money.
	What analytic are you going to apply to it?
	Here's David Moyes giving the medal to his father.
	Again, what is it telling you about what it means?
	What relationships are being enshrined, celebrated, articulated, explored through the medium of football?
	That's why we do this podcast.
	Yes, we love football, but we're not analysts, or Gareth much more than me, analysts of strategy and tactics and stuff.
	Our mate Brian McDermott, who's the director of football up here, says Gareth's a football man, like Gareth understands it.
	Me, I understand it from a culture and poetic perspective.
	You know, I like need stuff really spelled out to me, like I wouldn't notice, well, that's because that full bag's drunk!
	That fallback's been rooming with Paul Gascoigne and hasn't had any sleep!
	We'll be talking to Julian Dix about exactly that in a minute.
	But it's like it's the power of the game to bring forth moments like this.
	David Moore is giving his winner's medal to his 87 year old father I think.
	So that's, it's love.
	Watching that, that has the ability to make me cry more than watching like a really emotional film.
	Like something about, things like that.
	I know it's, we always kind of talk about it, it's the kind of masculinity that you associate with the male version of football mixed with the kind of emotions, it's incredible.
	It's a very powerful elixir, that, because we can intuit that David Moyes, who was centre-back in his playing career, throughout his life would have had a relationship with his father, the encouragement of his father, he would have shared in the disappointments and the heartbreak with his father, and in that moment...
	When it comes to his moment of absolute triumph, he gives it to his father.
	It's like that's more powerful than words can deliver.
	So when people are talking about football, they're not talking about football.
	They're talking about something else.
	They're talking about love, or they're talking about disappointment, or they're talking about betrayal, they're talking about injustice.
	It's a very, very powerful social tool.
	And I've always, not always, but I now believe That the movements that coalesce and gather around football could be mobilized to create a powerful and potent social movement.
	And here's a person who understands the powerful elixir that is masculinity, skill and footballing greatness.
	Played 325 times for West Ham, during which period he scored 65 goals.
	He's a West Ham legend in the truest sense of of the word. Legend means the story is often told and he
	represents something powerful.
	It's Julian Dix. Alright Julian.
	Hiya Russell, how are you?
	I feel alright mate.
	Thanks for coming on to talk about your book, Hammer Time.
	Me, West Ham, and a passion for the shirt.
	There's some fantastic stories in here.
	The one that's caught my attention is about you sharing a room with Paul Gascoigne.
	We talk about Paul Gascoigne a lot, because as well as being one of the best footballers these islands have ever produced, he somehow represented something beyond football.
	Like, he didn't stop mucking around.
	Like, almost everyone who knows Paul Gascoigne will tell a story about him, like, Being in their house in the dead of night or stealing a double-decker bus as an actual example.
	What happened to you when you shared a room with Gazza, Julian?
	Well, we were away with the under-21s in Toulon in France, and Dave Sexton, the manager, said, who wants to share with Paul Gascoigne?
	No one put their hand up.
	So I put my hand up.
	The worst decision I ever made in football.
	He was a person that never slept.
	The amount of times I woke up with his backside on my face was... I've lost count.
	Um, but... He did that.
	Why do you think in the middle of the night, Paul Gascoigne thinks, I'll tell you what, I'm gonna one put my face in Julian's... No, my arse in Julian's face.
	If he'd put his face in your arse, would that have been worse or better?
	Worse, I think, really.
	It would have been worse.
	But he was such a good lad.
	He had such a good aura about him as well.
	But there was one night, my bed was right next to the toilet.
	And he put 20 firecrackers around the toilet seat.
	And he lit one.
	And they lit every single one.
	I thought it was a bomb.
	So I've jumped out of my bed.
	I've jumped over his bed.
	And I started running down the corridor naked.
	Dave Sexton come out, all the directors come out, some of their wives are out there.
	And I'm naked.
	I've got my hands over my parts.
	And obviously Gazza's in the doorway just laughing his head off.
	But I'm the one that got in trouble for that and not Gascoigne.
	Yeah, I bet, because I know what happens with people like that.
	They go, Julian!
	You was meant to be looking after, Gazza!
	What have you been doing?
	Letting him put his arse in your face and letting him set off firecrackers and stuff like that?
	Mate, could you tell us about that time that you went to a nightclub in Singapore and you had an injury at the time?
	Yeah, I broke my ankle a few weeks before, and we were going to Australia, so our stop-off was over in Singapore, and Frank Lampard was looking after us at the time.
	Harry wasn't there, but Frank was looking after us.
	He said, like, you can go out for a boys' night out.
	So we all went to this nightclub.
	Banks had stopped me because I had a cast on my leg.
	He said, you can't come in.
	So All the boys still went in the nightclub.
	Didn't give a shit about me.
	So I went back to my club doctor.
	I said, look, you've got to cut this off.
	I said, the bouncer won't let me in the nightclub.
	He went, well, I haven't got the right tools.
	So I've got a bread knife.
	And he cut it off with a bread knife.
	And I went back to the nightclub and the bouncer let me in.
	As a proper in my day story, I can't imagine today's revelers like Jack Grealish being willing to get the old bread knife out and hack off a cast.
	Julian, in a recent poll you were voted, I think, the hardest footballer above the likes of Razor Ruddick, Vinnie Jones, and of course, Big Dunk Ferguson.
	What does that mean?
	Do you think when people say that you're hard?
	Does it just mean that you add a lot of red cards?
	Does it mean you played the game in a certain way?
	And why is it?
	Do you think that that aspect of the sport is something that's fetishized and celebrated and that people admire?
	I think obviously with my red cards and my fights I used to have on the pitch stood me as number one.
	I can't believe Razor was in the top Even in the top 10, to be honest.
	Big Dunk, yeah.
	Big Dunk was a handful.
	And Vinny was a handful.
	But back then, you had to look after yourself.
	You had to look after yourself, got the players you come up against.
	And as I said, the players that I used to play against, people like Franz Carr, Tony Daly, Roel Fox, they were rapid.
	They were so quick.
	They could give me five yards over 10 and still beat me.
	But luckily, back then, you could kick people.
	And I did kick many of them.
	And if I caught them two or three times, they wouldn't come back.
	I see, so it's in a sense using maybe a slightly less explicit aspect of the sport to gain an advantage.
	But one of the other things that a lot of people know, but many people watching may not know, is that your managerial career and your career as a coach has involved coaching female teams, West Ham ladies and I think some other clubs as well.
	There's almost... part of the culture war is about the ownership of the sport.
	You can see that, like, women's football is, in my view, correctly promoted, but it seems to be somehow a cultural project.
	It's interesting for me, at least, Julian, to think that whilst in the game you were very much regarded at the extreme end of masculinity, particularly if you associate masculinity with combat and violence, and yet you have become a very successful figure within the female game.
	Can you tell me, are those two worlds at odds with one another?
	What differences are there in the games?
	Or do the same fundamental principles apply regardless of gender or sex?
	For me, as a manager of managing the West Ham ladies, it was the same.
	I treated them the same as the men.
	At the end of the day, if they needed a bollocking, I would give them a bollocking.
	I had one or two cry on me, which I've never had that in a man's game.
	Again, there's obviously the World Cup, the European Championship for the ladies, and obviously the Super Leagues.
	It just needs more supporting.
	So when you watch the games, for me, unless it's a final, there's not enough people really supporting the women's football.
	So you are an advocate for the women's game and support of the women's game more broadly, and you regard them essentially to be the same thing.
	Mate, what did you think about events in Prague?
	Do you think it's significant for West Ham?
	Me and Gareth were talking about the fact that even though anyone who knows anything about the game recognizes that it's, you know, the third tier of European
	football, it doesn't seem that that's proportionate to the emotional
	impact, or the cultural impact, or the social impact it's had on
	West Ham.
	Why is that, mate?
	Well, at the end of the day, it's a final.
	It doesn't matter if it's the third tier, it is a European final.
	And West Ham won it.
	And we celebrate that.
	I was at the Indigo Bar at the O2, and it was electric there.
	I mean, there was two and a half thousand fans there, and it was a magnificent night, especially when Boeing scored that late, late goal in the 90th minute, even though the referee played an extra eight minutes.
	It was just a magical night, and it's been a long time coming for West Ham.
	Thanks for sending that message to my dad, Ron Brand, who broke his ribs when we celebrated that goal.
	And my mate, James Okinajan, moved too rapidly and aggressively towards me, causing me to barrel eventually into my dad and for him to break three ribs.
	He's still in Kingston Hospital.
	Thanks to the nurses and doctors there.
	Thank you for that video message, Julian, that you sent.
	Yeah, it was like a peculiar and extraordinary night, and it brought up a lot of powerful feelings.
	A lot of people, a lot of my mates are West End fans, and we're all very excited to have you on the show.
	It's really kind of you to come on, Julian.
	I love this book of yours, mate.
	It's fantastic.
	I'm recommending it and endorsing it.
	Before we wrap up, mate, can you tell me what your favourite moments as a West Ham player were, or at least the most memorable?
	And maybe could that include when you had a fight with Dennis Wise?
	To be fair, my 11 years at West Ham were magical.
	Even, like, my injuries and stuff like that.
	The fans...
	Just the best fans in the world.
	Upton Park was the best ground in the world to play at, in my opinion.
	My favourite memory was getting promotion in 92-93 with Billy Barnes as our manager.
	That was a great feeling.
	And like I said, the crowd come on the pitch.
	Again, it reminded me a bit of the cup final when everybody just was so happy.
	For weeks and weeks, they were just happy.
	Yeah, like the next day after the final, like during the final itself, I felt a bit numb and I know my dad did because of his horrific respiratory system injuries.
	But like, uh, the next day is when I was looking at like the press conference, I felt sort of like, I felt very tearful about it.
	It brought to the surface a lot of emotions.
	Uh, Gareth's a Hull fan and has a particular affiliation for and affinity with Jared Bowen that famous chart now
	Bowens on fire and he's shagging Danny Dyer It seems to have become an unofficial anthem of it Danny Dyer
	is the daughter of celebrity and actor Danny Dyer Very much an East End folk hero and very brilliant
	Actor it's pretty it's pretty amazing the way these sort of phenomena emerge out of the game
	Julian and it like the culture is so sort of potent extraordinary things continue like a merge people's destiny
	Gets written in moments like that and now Jared Bowen's sex life is going to be something forever connected to that
	victory Yeah, I'm sure he'd be
	He'd be happy with that Like I said, it was a magical night and I don't think anybody could say anything to wipe the smile off his face.
	They can't.
	In fact, here he is.
	Let's have a look at a clip of Jared Bowen singing that song, I think, with West Ham fans on the night.
	Let's have a look at that.
	Oh, Yeah, it's good.
	Also, I like Danny Dyer's analysis of that.
	Danny Dyer, the actor, who shares a name with his daughter, who indeed, Jared Bowen, is now a matter of record, is shagging.
	Not only shagging, I think they've got children!
	I've just had, like, tweets.
	It's not shagging.
	It's not a casual relationship.
	They're married.
	This is Danny Dyer, Julian, talking about that.
	He's sort of quite proud of it.
	I think he says he's somehow starved of charm.
	He's good.
	What do you make of the song, by the way, as well?
	I've got to ask.
	Well, I think there's a bit of romance in it.
	Think about it, right?
	It's a compliment.
	They're saying Bowie is on fire, which is unreal.
	And he's also shagging Danny Dyer.
	That is unreal. And he's also shagging Danny Dyer.
	If you think about it, it's like, it can't get any better.
	So there's a compliment in there.
	I'll tell you what, the winner in that one.
	Listen, sometimes I'll start the song off over West End, I'm not even gonna lie.
	That's amazing.
	That's amazing the kind of rationalisation.
	Even the, not the honour of his daughter, but certainly a song that involves Shaggy now, can be re-contextualised.
	positively at a time like this. Julian, thank you so much for joining us, mate.
	Well done writing this book. It's a fantastic read. We'll post a link in the description
	now for where to order it. Thanks, Julian, and thank you for the amazing service that you gave
	to West Ham United and the game for being a brilliant coach for West Ham, ladies, and
	congratulations on your book, mate.
	Thank you very much.
	Julian, thank you very much.
	Julian's book, Hammer Time, is out now.
	The other thing about that song, Bowie's on Fire, and the first time we ever discussed it, mate, was when it was sung about Will Greig, because of the Sunderland Till I Die documentary.
	They go, is it Greig or Greig?
	Greig, I think?
	Will Greig, let us know in the chat.
	Will Greig's on fire!
	But then I don't know how they finished it, because he weren't shagging Danny Dutton.
	No, he wasn't.
	We're not taking it in that direction.
	No.
	Now, this is better.
	Yeah, because the tagline is better than the on-fire bit.
	Yeah, yeah.
	The other thing I want to say, though, is I think the original lyrics of that song are free from desire.
	Correct.
	That's a weird thing to have a song about, because that's a very... I mean, that's actually one of the most spiritual concepts that there is.
	Right.
	Free from desire.
	God, yeah.
	Like, you're free from it.
	Like, the one way to... It's about enlightenment.
	It's a song that's literally about enlightenment, because they say...
	One way to make yourself happy is by getting what you want, but that is so unlikely erratic and rare, like West Ham winning a trophy.
	The other way is to let go of desire, to become free from desire.
	And you're shagging Danny Dyer.
	It's like really weird sort of when you're so tied together.
	I'm surprised there's a song called Free From Desire.
	Could be a success.
	It's such a difficult message.
	Yeah.
	It's a hard message to carry.
	Who could have predicted it?
	Probably Gareth Roy who seems to have an uncanny ability to predict outcomes of footballing events.
	This is our final predictions week now and we will reveal the champion.
	I love this.
	If this, if did Jack make that because that's his best graphic Achievement, in my opinion, because yellow indicates correct score, green is 100% correct.
	Gareth correctly predicted the result.
	In fact, after when Fiorentina equalised on the night, you went, my prediction was 2-1.
	Yeah.
	You said it.
	I stood by it.
	He spelt correct wrong.
	Oh, let's have a look.
	Jack!
	Jack, look at the top of the screen.
	You've misspe- Even in his best graphic, he's misspelled a word that he uses twice.
	Just look at that in the top corner, right?
	Green equals correct.
	Yellow equals correct result.
	Red, wrong.
	Oh, he's just connected it now!
	Where's my fucking Lionel Richie thing?
	If you can work so quickly on the job.
	I want my stay you, stay free, stay for always.
	So Gareth wins that.
	So Gareth's doing his own treble.
	You're not, you're not amalgamating that into the other league.
	So there you go.
	Gareth has won the European Championship.
	He's the champion of that.
	He's done a double.
	If there's another competition, he'll probably win that.
	It's hegemony.
	Are you backed by the Saudis?
	Yes.
	Are you backed by Abu Dhabi?
	That's right.
	I'm trying to make ends meet on my rumble money.
	I'm trying to... I'm a plucky underdog!
	West Ham's like money, it comes out of porn.
	Yeah, I know, yeah.
	The sweet smell of wanking is what's behind West Ham United's success.
	Well, listen, that's all we've got time for this week on Football Is Nice.
	We will be back next week.
	you. Until then, thank you for joining us on football is nice. On our show tomorrow,
	we have a very special guest.
	Presidential candidate, Marianne Williamson.
	You're gonna love this interview because we organised it specifically with a great deal of skill and endeavour from the predictor here.
	Hull's own predicting machine, Gareth Roy, reorganised the interview.
	So that we talk about issues that matter specifically to you.
	We talk about corruption, hegemony.
	We talk about the military-industrial complex.
	We talk about why democracy matters.
	We didn't let this become a partisan issue.
	We talked about the necessity for radical change.
	I think it's... I'm gonna go as far as say this.
	I think it's the best interview Marianne Williamson has ever done.
	And it's not my job to say that, is it?
	It looks like she's flattered to be asked.
	Oh, what?
	I can come on your show?
	Oh, well, that is flattering.
	Thank you.
	Thank you for coming on my show.
	So, uh, yeah, join us for that.
	My stand-up special is premiering on the 25th of June on Moment.
	There's a link in the description to see that.
	My show, Brandemic.
	You will love it.
	I talk about the craziness of the last three years.
	You now know the truth.
	We have a real laugh about it in that show.
	There's a link in the description.
	It's uncensored, self-made.
	It helps me if you get it.
	Join us tomorrow, not for more of the same, but for more of the different.
	Until then, stay free.
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