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March 22, 2023 - Stay Free - Russel Brand

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THEY HATE YOU | Fauci Confronted & Why Trump Is Too Popular - #096 - Stay Free With Russell Brand

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	So, it's a very, very good opportunity to get out there and get involved in the community.
	So, I'm going to go ahead and get started.
	Run, D.V.I.E.S., fight!
	You're going to see the future.
	Oh In this video, you're going to see the future.
	Hello there, you 1 million Awakening Wonders.
	1 million on Rumble now, Gareth.
	Can you believe it?
	1 million Awakening Wonders here on Rumble.
	Thank you for joining us, and if you're one of the 6.3 million on YouTube, the whole show will only be available on Rumble, and populism is one of the things we are discussing today.
	How come every time a popular movement emerges it is discredited. What is this tendency
	towards divide and conquer?
	The whole show will be available on Rumble for the first 15-20 minutes or so. We'll be
	there on YouTube, give you a little taste, see if you like it, see if you want to join
	the Rumble revolution.
	Tease on ya.
	Well that's right.
	We tease you with restricted speech and then we reward you with the sweet taste of free speech.
	Talking about Trump, talking about populism, anti-populism.
	We're talking to Stella Assange.
	She's coming in on here to talk about Julian Assange and why everyone is talking about Julian Assange again and when I say everyone I mean independent thinkers, independent journalists, people that are interested in freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of information.
	Why has Julian Assange's name suddenly returned to the lips of people interested in freedom and why won't the mainstream discuss him?
	Also we've got Dr...
	One person, Will.
	Who's that?
	Tucker.
	Oh, Tucker, the old racist.
	That's a joke.
	Dr Rhonda Patrick will be on the show as well, and she's talking about the benefits of heat, sweet heat and cold.
	On our deep dive look at the news, we will be talking about Raccoon Dog.
	Raccoon Dog, was it you?
	Did you pandemic us so hard we couldn't go out of our houses?
	Did you pandemic us right in the small business?
	Did you pandemic us, Raccoon Dog, right in the wealth transfer?
	We're also going to look at that fantastic meet and greet moment where you see what happens when the highest paid public servant in the world meets The public.
	It don't go well.
	And also, when an accredited scientist has a conversation about science with an ordinary member of the public, it's extraordinary to see.
	This is one of my favourite things I've seen for a long while.
	But we're going to start now with our other hero of the pandemic, Boris Johnson, who during the pandemic was partying like it was one 2019 still, the early part of it.
	Of course, Boris Johnson famously claimed that he didn't go to any parties.
	Then when pressed, he said he did go to some parties, but when he was at them, he didn't know that they were parties that he was at.
	Now his most senior advisor has revealed that he must have known that he was at a party.
	Johnson knew Garden Event was a party because because I told him," said Dominic Cummings.
	And if you can't relate to that because you're an American person,
	don't feel left out because Gavin Newsom was also caught without a mask, a maskless party.
	Although you know those guys go to parties with masks as well.
	Eyes wide shut style Illuminati, yo.
	I'm joking while we're still on YouTube.
	Once we get over to Rumble, we'll start talking about secret societies, won't we?
	By Jove, we shall.
	It's interesting because all of these members of elite organisations, old Etonians posing in government, Gavin Newsom partying without a mask while telling you that you have to do that, are still benefiting from their Inside Connections.
	Gavin Newsom recently applauded the response to the Silicon Valley bank collapse, saying, you know, that's the right thing to do, without revealing the quarter of a million dollars in there!
	Isn't that extraordinary?
	Isn't that just like an establishment figure to praise the actions of the government, claiming he supports their ideals, in this case when he is literally Financially invested in the venture.
	At least three of the California governor's wine companies are held by SVB and a bank president sits on the board of his wife's charity.
	California governor Gavin Newsom praised the Biden administration's decision to intervene on behalf of Silicon Valley bank clients.
	He didn't reveal that they held $250,000 in deposits in that same bank.
	What does he even need that?
	I don't know.
	He likes the bathtub gin.
	It's another case of do as I say, not as I do.
	If you're not a member of our locals community yet, join it right now.
	Then you can communicate and participate in this conversation.
	Because what we believe is that a new movement is being born before our very eyes.
	As we all witness the end of the old order, as we witness the establishment floundering, unable now to control our ability to communicate, doubling down on smearing dissenters, surveillance and censorship, there is a new populism emerging.
	Donald Trump, of course, is one of the Figures of populism who many people disagree with on many, many issues.
	But I know loads of you love him and he's still awaiting arrest.
	That goes on.
	He represents a certain type of energy and an emergent new political force that may yet be part of the solution, not part of the problem.
	Because if you look now for a moment, To politics in the Netherlands, the politics of Holland, the farm protest movement has just won parliamentary seats.
	Like the farm protests that we've talked about a lot on this show with Vandana Shiva.
	We've talked about the farm protests in Sri Lanka, the farm protests in India.
	The emergent soil movement, and the reason we're interested in this is precisely because it is a response to globalism that is truly global, that cannot be dismissed as racism, but that will not stop the mainstream media trying to condemn it as somehow right-wing and racist.
	In fact, even with The Guardian reporting on this story, don't they say, yeah, has won the support of far-right populist parties?
	Look, they attempt to smear it.
	There's been, in the recent election, let me just read from The Guardian's text.
	A new populist party surfing a wave of rural anger.
	A horrible wave.
	There'll be manure, spit, there'll be all sorts of things in a wave of rural anger that you won't want to surf on.
	Government environmental policies has emerged as the big winner in Dutch provincial elections with almost 90% of the votes The BBB is now the biggest bloc in the Senate.
	Now, as well as reporting on it, The Guardian, mainstream media, of course, don't miss the opportunity to smear this populist movement because they think they're better than you, because they think they're cleverer than you, that they think that they need to parent you through politics, to guide you with instruction, haughtiness and condemnation, rather than be part of a conversation, which is what we believe.
	We believe that you will teach us, that we'll tell you our version of the truth, you'll respond to it, and together we'll be in a dialogue.
	With the possibility of redemption, forgiveness, with the possibility of altering our opinion, amending, adapting, finding new relationships, but that's not the way they go in the mainstream.
	The BBB, which has won the support of far-right and populist parties internationally, claims the problem has been exaggerated.
	So, there you go, I mean, it's just, for me, it seems like what they do, first of all, is look for a reason to shut down populism, and then bolt it on to any movement that's getting it.
	If it's come from nowhere, is it Russ?
	I mean, the Dutch government, this was in response to, and the catalyst for this was the Dutch government offering to buy up, and this was through forced buyouts, 3,000 farms.
	And so obviously there's a big movement that's been spawned from this.
	But even in the research that we've done, because obviously they're saying that these are big polluter problems, I think they call them peak polluter farms.
	But just in the research from mainstream media, you find the richest 1% of the global population use two times as much carbon as the poorest 50% over the last 25 years.
	In terms of the energy, companies recently have all made record profits in 2022 and 2023.
	ExxonMobil, Shell, BP and Chevron are all identified as among the highest emitting investor-owned companies since 1988.
	And they still receive subsidies, and they never come for elite interests.
	They always come for popular interests, the interests of the people.
	Even when condemning in particular the type of fertilizer and stuff that these Dutch farmers are using, which may be environmentally harmful, Bill Gates, who's a king of climate change, as well as international king of medicine, you, I believe, elsewhere in his format and within his portfolio, literally uses the same fertilizers that the Dutch farmers are being penalized for using.
	Is that true, Gareth?
	Yes, so this is from US Right to Know.
	We've actually spoken to them.
	They're brilliant, do amazing investigations.
	So in his book, How to Avoid a Climate Disaster, Gates discussed his plans to model African food system
	upon India's Green Revolution, which moves farmers towards ever larger and less diverse
	farming operations that rely on pesticides and climate harming chemical fertilizers.
	This is something he's been promoting in Africa for the last 15 years, which has not
	gone down too well with a lot of the people in Africa.
	But it's one rule for one and one rule for, evidently, these farmers in Netherlands.
	When Bill Gates uses that fertilizer, it knows that Bill Gates is behind it.
	and it immediately causes a lot less climate change.
	But when it's a Dutch farmer, or a Sri Lankan farmer, or an Indian farmer, or a farmer somewhere on the continent of Africa, they bungle it.
	Do you see what I mean?
	The reason is they think they're better than us.
	They think they're cleverer.
	They think that we don't understand.
	They think our traditions, our heritage, our new alliances, our ability to accept difference, our ability to come together with new alliances is an impossibility.
	You're not like them.
	You're not clever like they are.
	Hit me up right now in the comments with examples from your own life of this haughtiness, this superciliousness, this ongoing patronizing condemnation that rains down from on high.
	We've got so many examples of this.
	An example that I'm just longing to share is the clip that's gone viral.
	I just want to have a look at the first bit of it.
	You've already seen by now, because let's face it, it's mostly you that educate us on this stuff.
	Yeah, that's right.
	It's mostly you that educates us on this stuff.
	Like the moment where Fauci confronts an ordinary family about the facts of the pandemic.
	And this is so heartening for me to watch.
	To see an ordinary person convey their concerns, which have subsequently proven to be legitimate and demonstrable.
	Provable!
	We'll go into greater depth on this story when we're no longer on YouTube.
	In a few minutes, I mean.
	Because there are some things that we're going to say that are now empirically demonstrable that are still against, unbelievably, against the guidelines.
	But you're going to love watching this.
	Let's have a look at that clip right now, please.
	I heard that it doesn't, um, cure it and it doesn't, um, stop you from getting it.
	No.
	So... On the very, very, very rare... Like, already, if you think of the narrative, remember for a moment, Don Lemon saying, you should shame the unvaccinated.
	You should shame them.
	Already, what that... Leave them behind is what he said.
	Leave them behind.
	It's astonishing, isn't it?
	And Fauci's about to say, on the very rare occasions, we now know why... On YouTube.
	YouTube.
	Can't say it yet.
	Yes, that's why you've got to join us on Rumble.
	The link's in the description because what we've got, do you know, you're going to love this, every single moment in this exchange, our team, our diligent, hardworking and brilliant team back there have found a scientific study from legit sources like the British Medical Journal, those Conspiracy theorists over at the Lancet and Johns Hopkins University that prove that everything that that woman and her partner or whoever that other person in the house was, I don't want to make any assumptions what goes on in that household, everything they say is scientifically true.
	Everything Fauci says is wrong.
	That's not me saying that.
	It's follow the science.
	But, inconveniently, science that supports the rights of the people, not science that can be used to double down on establishment centralised power.
	Let's give Fauci another few moments in the sun, though.
	Although he would never admit that the sun's good for you, because they can't sell you that!
	Yet.
	There's a chance that you do get it even if you're vaccinated.
	It's a very, you don't even feel sick.
	It's like you don't even know you got infected.
	Yeah, let us know in the comments!
	He's busking at that point, isn't he?
	You know, there's some vex, he won't even know you've taken it.
	Except there'll be a spring in your step and you might feel a fluttering in your heart.
	30% more like, hey, join us on Rumble in a moment or so.
	Because I suppose what we're talking about more broadly, the theme of this show, before we get to Stella Assange, partner of Julian Assange, of course, is why is it that there's so much divide and conquer?
	Why is it that there's so much condemnation?
	I mean, you've got to see how the Dutch news reported on the victory of this Dutch farmer movement.
	Like, even though when they're talking about unbridled joy, listen to the level of enthusiasm mustered up by the mainstream media reporter.
	Have a listen now.
	Unbridled joy for Caroline van der Plas.
	Unbridled joy, like when I was making love last night.
	Do it more, do it more.
	I'm on the brink.
	Not yet, not yet.
	Relax, don't do it.
	As her party shook up the Dutch political landscape on Wednesday evening.
	Founded just four years ago, the BBB is now projected to be the largest party in the Senate.
	Obviously, this issue has to be drained of all enthusiasm because issues like this, a movement like this, is precisely what can change the world.
	Don't let them tell you it's not possible to change the world.
	Don't let them tell you it's not possible to change your own life.
	Don't let them tell you new systems ain't possible.
	They rely on us losing our ability to imagine new worlds.
	They rely on us losing our spirit, darkening us down.
	That's why they're promoting bad food.
	That's why they're promoting dumb stuff on your screen.
	Yeah, he resents it, doesn't he?
	Resents having to deliver that.
	I don't like having to give you this news, but it turns out that ordinary people won't just do as they're told.
	Look at her nail varnish, it's garish and vulgar.
	She shouldn't be wearing green.
	Green fingers and thumbs in the agricultural world.
	Not like this, not on your Nelly.
	I'm going now, home to my house to make love.
	I'm now going to move elegantly from that quote and that rather puerile bit of tomfoolery to a quote from Immanuel Kant on the idea of divide and conquer.
	In Perpetual Peace, a philosophical sketch by Kant, Appendix 1, divide et impera, is the third of three political maxims, the others being fac et excusa, act now, make excuses later, we see that in the political realm, and si fascisti nega, if you commit a crime, deny it.
	Kant refers to this tactic in Appendix 1 of his Perpetual Peace when describing the traits of political moralists, divide and conquer, keep people divided, promote difference in the culture, promote the idea that we're different from one another, that we have different interests, That you could never get on with a person who's wearing a baseball cap like that, you could never get on with a person who's using a pronoun like that, when ultimately you have more in common, we have more in common, with one another than we could ever have in common with the rarefied small group of elite institutions and individuals that ultimately determine the global agenda.
	Some Indian historians, this is how it is in practice, such as politician, I hope I'm saying this right, Shashi Tharoor, assert that the British Raj frequently used this tactic divide and conquer to consolidate their rule and prevent
	the emergence of the Indian independence movement, citing Lord Elphinstone, who said that the divider
	empire was the old Roman maxim and it should be ours. And of course, we mention this now to show
	our largely American audience that we, the British, acknowledge that many of the bad ideas that
	are currently being used by the American corporatist regime were invented by the British
	corporatist colonial imperialist regime.
	It's interesting with the farmers and like coming back to like where we just came from with this,
	then the kind of dismissive attitude of populist parties and I know even in the Guardian,
	the kind of reporting of it saying that how fickle it is, the kind of supporting of populist parties.
	But when it relates to farmers and food, I mean, what could be more popular than food? Like we all
	eat it. Like if we if we lose these farmers and we lose these farms and abilities to,
	you know, eat food that I think that is worthy of being a populist movement.
	Food is popular because if you don't eat none, you're gonna die.
	And they always attempt to ally these ideas with, I think, notions and schematics that we all acknowledge are wrong.
	Misogyny is wrong, antisemitism is wrong, racism is Wrong.
	We should be looking to forge alliances that are not based on our cultural identity.
	We should accept people's right to identify culturally in diverse and wonderful ways.
	Whether that's traditional, old school, Christian, 2.4 kids, or progressive.
	We should say, that's up to you.
	These are the conversations I'm interested in having.
	We've got to move beyond them.
	Like in our conversation with Glenn Greenwald the other day.
	Once we've established a meaningful system of actual democracy, once we've got systems where we can control our resources and be individually free, then we can have a conversation about, hey, how do you prefer this?
	And are we going to leave each other alone?
	We don't want a centralised authority, corporate or state, involved in these aspects of our life.
	We want as much freedom as possible, not as little.
	Gareth, do you think it's time for us to Skip over to being exclusively available on Mumble.
	I'm really determined to show because as well as everything else, as well as being almost a kind of new Rosetta Stone for many of the deceptive tactics deployed during the pandemic period, many of the errors made, much of the misreporting, the censorship, the opportunity to surveil, it demonstrates in real time too the Attitude that undergirded it, one of supremacy, one of domination, one of condescending, of speaking down to people parentally, and it entirely backfires because the family being addressed to a conveniently a family of color are able to sort of intuitively, instinctively, or as a result of education, plainly in some of the arguments, rebut
	Everything that Fauci is saying to in the end Fauci and his crew just walk off weary and exhausted.
	I don't know why they're so tired.
	I mean, I don't know what could have contributed to that.
	We're going to go.
	We're going to come off YouTube now.
	We're going to be exclusively on Rumble.
	There's a link in the description.
	Remember, we're talking to Stella Assange in a minute as well.
	So join us on the other side, on the side of righteousness, inclusivity, absolute acceptance of diversity, end of all hatred, inclusivity and love.
	Love!
	Let love be our rule.
	See you on the other side.
	Let's have a look at this clip together now.
	This is a brilliant piece of research because every single word, starting from the get-go, we have rebutted and refuted with actual facts.
	Let's go.
	You're going to enjoy this.
	This is the Fauci versus the public.
	Follow the science breakdown.
	Let's go.
	What are we going to do about those other states?
	Oh my God.
	They're going to keep the outbreak smoldering in the country.
	It's so crazy.
	I mean, they're not doing it because they say they don't want to do it.
	They're Republicans.
	They don't like to be told what to do.
	Okay, so you heard that.
	Anthony Fauci wants to put COVID's politicization behind him.
	That's Politico in 2022.
	As if the politicization was being done by someone else, not him, then, on camera.
	And we've got to break that, you know, unpack that.
	How you guys doing with vaccines?
	Remember Don Lemon saying, leave them behind.
	They should be ashamed.
	Just remember that.
	There they are.
	That's them.
	That's the them they want to leave behind.
	That way you won't give it to them.
	I thought I would give it to them if I get it.
	No, no, not at all.
	In fact, we got to get you vaccinated so that if you were to get infected, you could pass it on to them.
	So you're actually protecting your family by getting them vaccinated.
	Jabs do not reduce the risk of passing COVID within households, study suggests.
	Research reveals fully vaccinated people are just as likely to pass the virus on to those they share a home with as unvaccinated people and that's from those conspiracy theorists over at The Guardian.
	Oh no dear.
	Well, I heard that it doesn't cure it and it doesn't stop you from getting it.
	This point is empirically demonstrably correct before we let Fauci A bare-faced lie in the face of the people he's paid to represent by their tax dollars.
	That's true.
	There's no evidence that any of the current COVID-19 vaccines can stop people from being infected.
	That's from those conspiracy theorists over at the BBC in 2021.
	Too little, too late.
	On the very, very, very rare chance that you do get it, even if you're vaccinated, it's a very... You don't even feel sick.
	It's like you don't even...
	27,673 vaccinated people died from COVID in England between January the 22nd and December the 22nd.
	That's from the Office for National Statistics and you know they got skin in the game.
	I know you got infected.
	Um okay and now for our second clip yeah we can roll right over to that guys.
	People in America are not settled with the information that's been given to us right now.
	So I'm not going to be lining up taking a shot on a vaccination for something that wasn't clear in the first place and then you all create a shot Well let's check that.
	A typical vaccine development timeline takes 5-10 years and sometimes longer to assess whether the vaccine is safe and efficacious in clinical trials.
	That's from those fringe lunatics at Infowars, no sorry not Infowars, John Hopkins University in 2021.
	You know how many years were invested in this approach?
	About 20 years.
	Fauci's even rubbing his arm there, the sight of vaccine.
	Sorry, it seems like the spike protein might be migrating to my... Oh no, here it goes!
	Okay, let's check that one.
	Fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral loads similar to unvaccinated cases.
	That's from the Lancet in 2021.
	The only reason I'm talking to you right now, as close as we are, is that I've been vaccinated.
	Right.
	Okay, let's check that one.
	Fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral loads similar to unvaccinated cases.
	That's from the Lancet in 2021.
	In other words, doesn't make very much difference.
	But if it allowed thousands of people like you don't get vaccinated,
	you're going to let this virus continue to percolate in this country and in this world.
	Something like the common flu, then, right?
	Who is this guy, by the way, who's thought they've accidentally knocked her?
	OK, let's go do some propaganda.
	Oh, no!
	Who's thought they knocked her?
	He's a- understands like, uh, overstating of deaths, he seems to understand myocarditis,
	the comparison to the flu that later becomes popularised, he's like, inadvertently knocked
	on the wro- the wrong door.
	Okay, let's go knock on the next door.
	Hello, I'm Dr. Robert Malone.
	Oh no!
	What about the next door?
	Hello, I produce the Joe Rogan Show.
	Oh no!
	What is this street?
	It's much more serious than the flu.
	Well, the flu killed a lot of people.
	You know how many people died of... Essentially, what's heartening about this is it reassures you that ordinary people have a reasonable understanding of the world.
	Of course we're not saying that there isn't such a thing as expertise, ingenuity, study.
	What we're saying now and have always said is that this issue was revealing because it shows that when there is a convergence of interests and a particular momentum, An agenda almost automatically appeared.
	Where facts were denied, certain voices were cut out of the conversation, people were condemned and then not really apologized to.
	The counterpoint to all of this, and the bright side of all of this, is that ordinary people ain't stupid.
	That's good because, to a degree, we're all ordinary people.
	We can make decisions for ourselves, informed decisions.
	We can make choices.
	And I think this reveals to us the degree to which propaganda and authoritarianism has taken hold of our culture that you're not allowed to question.
	The presumptuousness of Fauci knocking on that door, assuming that he's just gonna blast people to the wall with facts when the facts aren't on his side at all.
	Yeah no I think it's really important and just to kind of come back to like Don Lemon's point and a lot of the kind of attitude of the mainstream media and of course like comments from Biden and the pandemic of them vaccinated but this poll from the Kaiser Family Foundation in 2021 said unvaccinated adults cite a variety of reasons why they've gotten not gotten a COVID-19 vaccine with half citing worries about side effects and 38% saying that the reasons include not trusting the government and we're in this situation where you know you're watching Fauci interacting with members of the public you can well see why people wouldn't trust the government why they might have had historical reasons for not trusting the government and then when it gets to something like this where they're told if you don't take this you are letting down half the population you are the reason why this pandemic continues
	And then you find out, oh, that wasn't the truth.
	Then where's that trust going to go?
	It's not going to get better, is it?
	And astonishingly, we've not seen any kind of mea culpa, any kind of apology, any kind of amendment.
	We've not seen Biden or Fauci or any meaningful public figures say, oh, we were wrong about that.
	We better amend it.
	We're so sorry about that condemnation.
	I don't know what happened to them 34,000 nurses booed out of their jobs in New York City.
	And in fact, part of the reason that we're willing to Form new relationships with people from different traditional political backgrounds, speaking for myself, like Tucker Carlson.
	It's just Tucker Carlson turning up on podcast right now saying I was wrong about how I reported on the Iraq war.
	I feel ashamed that I participated in that propaganda.
	CNN ain't doing that.
	MSNBC ain't doing that.
	And Tucker Carlson of Fox News, for now, who knows where that guy's going, will at least own his own errors. This is what, you know, I'd like to see
	Fauci go back around the house and say, sorry, you were right, I was wrong. Do you want to
	make a documentary about me?
	And in fact, do you want my job? There's some interesting royalty schematics you might be
	interested in, my man. Let's have a look at the rest of this and decry it point by point
	for as long as you're interested.
	The flu the last year, I mean, not this year, virtually none, but the previous year, about
	You know how many people have died from COVID-19 in the United States?
	Okay Fauci's obviously about say 600,000 but Dr. Liana Nguyen writes in the Washington Post that the medical communities over count in the amount of COVID deaths and hospitalizations.
	She writes Are these Americans dying from COVID or with COVID?
	Which, if you've been part of this conversation for a while, if you've been part of our audience for a while, is a distinction that you're more familiar with.
	In fact, it's a distinction that you taught us.
	You explained to us here.
	We took it on board.
	We included it in our reporting.
	And that's how media should behave.
	That's the kind of authority that we should have.
	Mutual, shared, democratic, authority, consensus achieved through conversation, dialogue,
	taking on diverse perspectives, respecting individual freedom,
	and recognizing that the people themselves ultimately have to have control
	over their own communities and lives.
	I mean, throughout this video, and I won't penalize you with it,
	but numerous points are made, and like every single point is either,
	or you can undergird what the fella on the doorstep saying with a fact of what Fauci is saying but with a
	complete rebuttal.
	The man said, you're given the number that died, that's your number.
	The National Centre for Health Statistics uses incoming data to produce provisional COVID-19 death counts.
	When you start talking about paying people to get vaccinated, when you talk about incentivising people to get vaccinated, there's something going on with that.
	The incentives, of course, as you remember, included free donuts, fries, entering a lottery.
	I think there was a strip club involved at some point.
	Do you remember that?
	I do not.
	Sorry, that was just me.
	Why are you in the strip club?
	To get a vaccine!
	That's not a vaccine you're getting in there.
	Get out of there!
	Offering people $25.
	Anyway, listen, one of the things that is worth mentioning is our health minister at the time, like the person in our country, the UK, charged with that, subsequently went on to be on reality TV and all kinds of crazy stuff after he got busted on CCTV adjusting what I can only describe as his erection while he was having an affair with someone from Another household when we were told that we weren't going to communicate with anybody else Some of these whatsapp messages got leaked and he said stuff like Matt Hancock's leaked messages suggest plan to frighten the public yeah, and now that man's part in shot was you're trying to keep people in a state of fear and
	Division, fear, shame, odd emotional tactics to use.
	If you think about it, controlling your consciousness, controlling your freedom, means engaging with your emotional palate.
	It means reaching deep into your psyche.
	That is why it's so vital that we have a free press.
	That is why it's so vital that we are able to be stringently critical of power.
	That is why it's so vital that the case of Julian Assange is looked at in detail.
	Why is Julian Assange In Belmarsh Prison now, without trial, a maximum security prison, when the stuff that he reported has not been proven to endanger the life of a single American service person, and that's what legitimizes it currently, while the facts that he reported were simultaneously reported by organizations like the New York Times, The Guardian, The Spiegel, all that top brass, neoliberal propaganda mouthpieces.
	Why did this happen?
	Well, we've got Stella Assange, the lawyer and wife of Julian Assange, on the line now to talk about exactly that.
	Thanks for joining us, Stella.
	Alright, mate.
	Hi Russell, how are you doing?
	Today we feel pretty upbeat and one of the things that I've noticed lately, Stella, is that people are talking about Julian again more.
	Not in the mainstream media necessarily, but certainly within independent media.
	Somehow instinctively it was the name I reached for when I was on a mainstream media show recently.
	And I felt like I had to defend having an alternative perspective to the mainstream.
	Julian Assange's name is a symbol of mainstream media denial of facts and negligence of morality.
	Why do you think that we're talking about Julian Assange more now?
	Do you feel more optimistic about his campaign for freedom?
	I definitely feel more optimistic.
	I think that people have come to recognise that Julian is a symbol.
	I don't like the term martyr because no one should be a martyr, right, in a society that calls itself democratic and there are all these rights that we're supposed to uphold and so on.
	But they understand, they kind of see themselves mirrored in him in the way the Those in power are treating him with contempt, as if his rights don't matter, as if the truth doesn't matter.
	And in fact, Julian represents exactly what we should uphold,
	which is truth, which is treating people with respect, precisely the opposite of propagandizing them,
	giving them true information so that they can use that information
	and deploy it as they want.
	With WikiLeaks, he brought a kind of democratization of knowledge.
	He put out information that was verified, that was correct, that was official,
	and that was suppressed.
	And with suppressed information, you can go to court, you can rebut, as you have just done extensively.
	And, you know, the truth is, in the end, all we have.
	That's our final, the final defense of the powerless.
	And that's why they're trying to silence him so badly.
	The key revelations, I mean it's difficult to say because there was so much documentation that was revealed, but some headline points include the US Army's manual for Guantanamo prison camp, literally how to run a torture camp, that was revealed, including information within the document itself which said, don't let this fall into the wrong hands, we don't want anyone knowing we are doing this.
	500,000 messages sent on 9-11, video footage of a US Apache helicopter, Killing civilians and I think one of them was a Reuters journalist and given that these are so evidently stories that are in the public interest that demonstrate that American foreign policy was violent, egregious, unethical, illegal.
	What is the argument for keeping Julian Assange in Belmarsh prison right now?
	Well, in reality, it's just a show of force, because even when you look at the legal argumentation by the U.S.
	Department of Justice, it's a farce.
	Basically, what they're saying is that to receive information from a source To possess it and to communicate it to the public, even if that information involves evidence of war crimes, evidence of crimes against humanity, as is the case here, then if the US government doesn't like it, then they can put you in prison.
	It's completely absurd, especially coming from the country that prides itself in being a defender and promoter of press freedom, right?
	Excuse me interrupting you Stella.
	I wanted to say how do they square that with the fact that the revelations were simultaneously made by more established and still operate in mainstream media outlets such as those I listed notably New York Times, Guardian etc.
	How is that distinction legally drawn?
	Why Julian Assange?
	Why not anyone from any of those other organizations?
	Well, they don't.
	They don't draw any distinction.
	And that's why, actually, The Washington Post and The New York Times and The Guardian, who have historically seen Julian and WikiLeaks as a rival in the press landscape, they've actually come out to defend him.
	I mean, obviously, they could do so with more energy and commitment.
	But so far, they've basically put their editorials out to be on the right side of history and said that this case is a danger to press freedom, that it sets a terrible precedent, because they have done the analysis, and they understand that what the U.S.
	government is arguing here is that journalism is a crime, and especially journalism that denounces the state committing crimes.
	So, naturally, when you think about it, you know, They invoke this kind of secrecy, this almost sacred secrecy.
	But what is secrecy?
	When you think about it, secrecy and war, these documents were secret.
	And what they were, were cover-ups.
	Because obviously, if you have a war crime, and you decide to cover it up, then you have to stamp a secret stamp on it.
	And therefore, journalists who do serious journalism about national security issues
	have to have the right to be able to publish the truth, even when that truth is so-called
	classified, because obviously cover-ups are going to be classified.
	This Friday, there's a WikiLeaks art exhibition in London that you can attend if you want
	to that shows diplomatic cables leaked by Julian.
	Tell us a bit more about that, Stella, would you?
	Yes, here in London we're opening, Wikileaks is co-curating an art exhibition with an organization called Apolitical and it's a very exciting project.
	It has huge artists like Ai Weiwei, the Chinese dissident artist.
	It has a posthumous piece by Vivian Westwood and the piece you're referring to of the US State Department cables, it's part of Cablegate.
	So Julian faces 175 years in a US prison For publishing true information, right?
	And 50 of those years concern the State Department cables.
	And what this exhibition does is it publishes the secret cables out of those.
	There are 75 volumes.
	I don't know how many thousands, tens of thousands of cables physically printed on paper.
	And so, theoretically, I mean, if you take the U.S.
	case seriously, which no one should do, I mean, you should take it seriously because it criminalizes the free flow of information and your right to know.
	But what I'm saying is that there's no legitimacy to their argument that if you read the information,
	you are in fact violating the Espionage Act.
	And this is a point that this piece is trying to make.
	In fact, when you read the news, when you read Seymour Hersh or when you read the Snowden
	documents or reporting about the Snowden documents, what you're doing, in effect, is violating
	Espionage Act, because that is information that the U.S.
	government says is classified and you're not allowed to know, even when it violates your rights.
	So that's one piece.
	There's also going to be a music event on the 8th of April, which has been organized by the Shangri-La group behind the Glastonbury.
	And then in the United States, we're showing the film Ithaca.
	Which is about our family's fight to free Julian.
	Julian's father is the main character, and I'm the other main character.
	And this documentary is going around the United States.
	At the moment, it's in Massachusetts.
	It's going to New York, New Hampshire.
	It's going to Toronto hot docks.
	So if you're in the United States, look at Ithaca.movie.
	That's Ithaca with a K. And it might be coming near you, so don't miss it.
	Fantastic.
	Estella, thanks for coming on and explaining how we can violate the Espionage Act and look at some art simultaneously and enjoy that documentary.
	We'll put the link to that in the description for you now.
	Estella, thank you so much for carrying the burden that you undoubtedly carry, for continuing to campaign for Julian's freedom, So for continuing to highlight that many people do not want a paternal relationship with the state where truthful information is censored in order apparently to protect us and those of you that have been following the Twitter files case will see that similarly truthful information is being censored presumably because you and I'm talking to you
	don't know how to look after yourself or make decisions for yourself and for your
	family, Julian Assange is in prison because of that mentality, hopefully not
	for too much longer. Thanks for joining us Stella. Thanks Russell. Why won't people
	accept the lab leak theory?
	Like, do you know that bloody... You talking to me?
	Yeah, I've had enough of you.
	Oh, okay.
	Now, a lot of people keep saying that that coronavirus pandemic... Do you know what they've got the nerve to say?
	Go on.
	It came out of the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
	I think if you...
	Have you never heard of a raccoon dog?
	Exactly.
	Have you never seen a raccoon dog?
	Have you never been around those dirty, look they're dirty bastards, a raccoon dog.
	If you see a raccoon dog, they look like exactly what they sound like, you will get coronavirus so hard it will knock you to the middle of next week.
	So why don't you follow the science and start worrying less about corrupt oddly funded scientific procedures and worry a bit more
	about a little guy called Raccoon Dog.
	Here's the news. No, here's the effing news.
	Even though the FBI, former director of the CDC and the head of the Department of Energy
	all think that Covid likely came from a lab, there's a news story in town.
	Yep, it came from a raccoon dog.
	Yeah, you know, raccoon dogs who you've never ever heard of before and haven't just been made up to distract you from it definitely coming from a lab.
	No, it was raccoon dogs.
	Or someone left the lab, went to a market, pet a raccoon dog, got bit.
	Just stop talking about it coming from a lab.
	You know who that would make responsible, don't you?
	Yeah, this just in.
	It did come from a wet market, not from the Wuhan Laboratory of Coronaviruses, as you might have started to suspect from the first bloody time you ever heard those words said.
	No, put that out of your mind.
	It's come from the stinky old wet market, this time because of a thing called raccoon dogs that you've never ever heard of before.
	Once again, an attempt to focus your attention on unusual animals like that thing called a pangolin or whatever the hell it's called, instead of irresponsible scientific practices Leading to an outbreak which would be costly and would diminish the authority of certain institutions.
	Were it true?
	And I'm certainly not saying it is.
	Not on this platform, baby.
	The East Asian raccoon dog, a relative of the fox, may hold the key to the origins of COVID-19.
	What I will say is the raccoon dog is well named.
	It really does look like it's a bit raccoon and a bit dog.
	It should have its own cartoon.
	Ha!
	What adventures are we going to get into today?
	I know.
	Why don't we go cough over some people that work in that laboratory?
	What's it called?
	I don't know.
	I can't read.
	I'm just a raccoon dog.
	I just exist to create destruction.
	Don't look over there!
	According to a group of scientists quoted in the Atlantic Magazine.
	The strongest evidence yet that it came from an animal.
	Look, we've found something.
	Thank God!
	Something that might distract us from the fact that it probably came from a laboratory in which the people that were engaged heavily in organizing the response to the pandemic were also invested in by the NCIH and EcoHealth Alliance, which would be super embarrassing.
	There's this thing called a raccoon dog.
	If we start inventing new animals or just plucking them out of the forest, The team says their new analysis of samples taken at a Wuhan market in the early days of the pandemic.
	Oh, they're taking samples.
	Why don't they get on and see what's going on at the Wuhan Institute of Virology?
	That's where the real scrutiny needs to go.
	Look at how some information is reported.
	Look at how other information is ignored.
	That shows you that there's a superstructure, that the media is a subset of a bunch of other interests and particular stories flow down and other stories get knocked back.
	That's all we're saying.
	Is a really strong indication that infected animals were there, including raccoon dogs.
	Raccoon dogs?
	Never heard of them before.
	Why are they suddenly in the news?
	Raccoon dogs.
	They may look cute, but they're actually real little bastards.
	If you have one of them come near you, be careful.
	It may have a new and potentially lucrative disease in its mouth that if you get it, suddenly Alba Borla is looking a little taller.
	The findings support the theory that COVID-19 jumped from animals to humans.
	Look at this graph.
	How intelligent do they think you are, and I am, to give us a graph like this?
	What is that graph?
	Over here, we have a raccoon dog.
	And then we got a big, giant coronavirus.
	They're not actually that big, because otherwise we'd see them.
	We'd be able to knock them away with tennis rackets.
	Not Djokovic, that son of a gun.
	He better not go near him.
	He'd probably die instantaneously.
	But it's gone from raccoon dog, see there, to an inexplicably naked lady.
	The graph's not giving you any new information, is it?
	Hold on!
	How's it getting from the dog to the lady?
	Well, you know, it's traveling through air on that thing.
	Oh, okay.
	Thanks for the news.
	But researchers say it is not a smoking gun.
	It's not conclusive because you can't prove the chain of events for how an animal got infected.
	Yet more conjecture then.
	Even in the news report they're admitting, here's some stuff we're essentially giving you
	to dilute your certainty that the Wuhan Institute of Virology
	are culpable for this leak and all of the connotations that would lead you
	to reflect on about the way that that industry has regulated the subsequent response,
	the indemnity given to pharmaceutical companies subsequently, the position of Anthony Fauci
	during the entire pandemic, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation
	and where they invest their money.
	Forget all of that and look at this raccoon dog and this inexplicably naked lady!
	You can't even technically prove the raccoon dog was infected.
	All they're essentially saying is, hey, would you like to see something that's a bit like a raccoon and a bit like a dog?
	Yeah, I would, actually.
	Good.
	Would you also like us to take the heat off an emerging idea that makes the pharmaceutical industry and several government agencies culpable for one of the biggest disasters in recent history?
	And before you think about the second one, raccoon dog.
	Raccoon dog.
	The raccoon dogs themselves weren't actually sampled.
	Exactly.
	They haven't done any tests on the raccoon dogs!
	Sorry, is there such a thing as raccoon dogs?
	I don't know, to be honest, it just sounded cute.
	It's too early in the process to put this on the news.
	Look, can you cobble together a graphic of a little white silhouette dog, a little white silhouette lady, a bloody great big coronavirus, and a double-ended arrow?
	Oh yeah, we can do that, sir.
	Okay, let's call that the news.
	China has been widely criticized for not allowing an independent investigation into the origins of the virus.
	Because they won't allow an independent investigation.
	They're just trotting out the raccoon dog.
	Just ushering out a pack, a herd.
	What do you call them?
	Well, we don't actually know what the collective noun for raccoon dogs is.
	Do we know what caused this coronavirus pandemic?
	We basically do, yeah.
	But have another look at this cute gaggle of raccoon dogs.
	Might not be gaggle.
	This new analysis sure to fuel the heated and often political debate.
	Do you sometimes think that the news has gone wrong when it's a heated and political debate?
	It's just two raccoon dogs.
	What?
	Sorry?
	What are we doing now?
	Keep walking towards the camera.
	Maybe they'll give us a biscuit.
	In a classified report to Congress, the Department of Energy concluded with low confidence that COVID-19 leaked from a Wuhan lab.
	The FBI also believes the lab may be the source.
	So it could be raccoon dogs, catch them now before their new animated movie franchise starts, or it could be this.
	Top scientific advisors told Congress earlier this month there's mounting evidence COVID leaked from the Wuhan lab and accused Dr. Anthony Fauci of trying to cover up the claims because they didn't fit his narrative.
	Experts, including a former Biden staffer and Donald Trump's CDC director, testified to the House subcommittee investigating COVID that taxpayer-funded gain-of-function likely caused the virus that came from the Chinese facility.
	So it's either taxpayer-funded gain-of-function research or those adorable dogs.
	I'll leave it to you to decide.
	Obviously one of those conclusions makes Culpable a real intriguing set of powerful interests and the other one is a cute dog thing.
	And now a former CDC director whose name sounds too much like a Hollywood actor.
	We had to really seriously go after the fact that it came from the lab.
	And they knew that that was how I was thinking, although I thought we had to go after both hypotheses.
	And I was told later, I didn't know I was excluded.
	I didn't know there was a February 1st conference call.
	What Robert Redfield says is interesting, isn't it?
	That there are two hypotheses, investigate both hypotheses, and then maybe draw a conclusion.
	Isn't that like what science was when you were literally at school?
	Okay, we are gonna study only one hypothesis.
	What about the lab leak one?
	Listen, let me show you these dogs.
	They look like they're wearing a Zorro mask.
	Surely that is more interesting than a bunch of stuff in a pouring Why would they do this?
	Because I had a different point of view and I was told they made a decision that they would keep this confidential until they came up with a single narrative, which I will argue is antithetical to science.
	Robert Redfield's explanation sounds eerily similar to what we've all long suspected actually happened, that they had a preference for a particular perspective and promoted a lot of information that led to that perspective While excluding information that might challenge it.
	And all the time that they were saying follow the science what they actually meant was follow the science that we're giving you access to because we don't want you looking at this science because it's a counter-narrative that we cannot accommodate because if we accommodate it we will at some point become culpable for this entire pandemic.
	Allegedly.
	Some Democratic representatives at the hearings warned that accusing Fauci of ill motives would further erode trust in government health officials threatening public health.
	If you accuse this person of being dishonest, are you not aware that that will cause people not to trust that person?
	Yeah, but what if they shouldn't trust that person because he's excluding important data from the international conversation?
	Listen, do you know what a raccoon dog is?
	Get one in, get one in.
	Look how- ow, you little bastard!
	Oh, God!
	Wait, hold on.
	Nope, nothing's wrong with me.
	It's not done anything.
	Now, I'm just gonna go get myself a band-aid from the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
	Excuse me a second.
	God, I ain't feeling too good.
	That goddamn raccoon dog!
	Maybe Fauci's coming round to the lab leak theory now that the evidence is mounting and surely he won't present some sort of bizarre magic bullet version of a lab leak theory to make it sound absolutely ridiculous and exculpate himself from blame.
	And on this theory of a lab leak, you know, I've been wondering this, do we have any idea how that would even work?
	Well yeah, I've got an idea.
	They didn't have proper safety procedures and it got out of the lab either via a person or through a faulty air vent or through a variety of other means or through an infected animal.
	All sorts of ways.
	But what about you, Fauci?
	Have you got some sort of weird way that it could have happened so that no one that you've been financially or otherwise involved with would be in any way to blame?
	That's a very good question, Jen.
	Because it enables me to issue some propaganda, which I will now do, no matter how implausible it may sound.
	And if you don't like it, wait, get the raccoon dog!
	Get the raccoon dog!
	I've got something very cute to distract you with.
	A lab leak could be that someone was out in the wild.
	Yeah, they're out in the wild.
	Maybe looking for different types of viruses and bats.
	Yeah, they will be doing that.
	That is part of their job, actually, because that's what's made so many people speculate it came from there, because they do go and get bats with coronavirus, and then accelerate and enhance the functions of that virus.
	And potentially, maybe something could go wrong.
	But carry on.
	Got infected, went into a lab, and was being studied in a lab, and then it came out of the lab.
	But if that's the definition of a lab leak, Jim, then that still is a natural occurrence.
	Still doesn't lead to me or any of my affiliates or anyone I've received royalties from being in any way culpable.
	Get the raccoon dog.
	Get the raccoon dog.
	I've already seen the raccoon dog.
	Shitmouse?
	No, I'm sorry.
	Titfrog?
	There are no lab leaks that have led to pandemics.
	Ooh, ooh!
	I can think of one!
	So there have been accidents in a lab that happens intermittently.
	We've had experiences with that in modern times recently.
	Like 2019.
	But there have never been a situation where a virus escaped from a lab that's a brand new virus.
	Who knows Anthony Fauci's willingness to investigate meandering theories around raccoon dogs
	and people popping off into the woods to get a bat and maybe dropping it on the bus on the way home.
	But his unwillingness to accept that there have previously been lab leaks that haven't led to entirely original viruses.
	And I suppose if you're doing gain-of-function they wouldn't be entirely original, would they?
	Because they're being amended and adapted.
	But he's never willing to investigate routes of analysis that might lead to personal or institutional culpability.
	What a coincidence.
	The only thing that can make this whole situation worse is if you found out that you paid for it twice.
	US taxpayers may have been double billed for coronavirus research grants in Wuhan, feared to have started the pandemic, a damning investigation is claimed.
	Diane Cutler, former federal investigator for the House of Energy and Commerce Committee, found evidence that points to the potential theft of tens of millions of government funds.
	Former federal investigator Diane Cutler spent two decades combating white collar crime and healthcare fraud.
	During the pandemic, Cutler turned her attention to US government grants.
	That's interesting that white collar crime could have been occurring during that pandemic period.
	I suppose then there would have been a massive wealth transfer and newly empowered private entities being granted legal indemnity.
	Wait a minute!
	Records reviewed by CBS News indicate the U.S.
	government may have paid twice for projects at the Wuhan labs through the National Institutes of Health and the U.S.
	Agency for International Development, or USAID.
	This included possible medical supplies, equipment, travel, and salaries.
	Whose salaries exactly did you pay twice?
	Well, we only paid it once, but once was raccoon and the other one was dog.
	We didn't know that was the same little guy.
	So what I found so far is evidence that points to double billing potential theft of government funds.
	It is concerning, especially since it involves dangerous pathogens and risky research.
	So there you have it!
	The story goes on.
	How on earth did this coronavirus pandemic begin?
	Was it in the wet market?
	Was it with the raccoon dog?
	Or is it out of the Wuhan Institute of Virology?
	Perhaps we'll never ever truly know.
	Particularly not if the mainstream media keep underwriting and amplifying confusing stories that have literally no empirical evidence attached to them.
	No one's done any tests on them dogs.
	No one can prove that it came from those raccoon dogs.
	The whole thing sounds like a rather adorable and colourful distraction.
	But that's just what I think.
	Let me know what you think in the comments and chat.
	I'm gonna be with you in a second reading those comments out
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	Now let's go and see what that other version of me is saying about bringing down the government.
	Hey you raccoon dogs!
	Look at this one.
	It's one of my favorites, Gareth.
	It's from someone called Nigel Green91.
	Raccoon dogs hibernate in winter.
	That's true.
	Like they were all snuggled up somewhere.
	They can't have been involved.
	They was innocent.
	They got an alibi.
	A lot of love for Stella Assange.
	Bakofsky.
	Let's break him out.
	My brain, my choice.
	Government wants to keep us from knowing the truth, man.
	Yeah, I agree with you.
	Mio Lazarus.
	Love you, Stella.
	And lots of love coming in Stella's direction.
	Then, what I might call a passive-aggressive comment from the Rugby Druid.
	When Brandt was this fast-talking tosser on Big Brother's Little Brother, it was Big Brother's Big Mouth, thanks, I wanted nothing more than to see him stranded on a remote island with savage beasts.
	But the new Russell has won me over.
	The beasts don't have to be that savage.
	That's a joke, I did that last bit for a bit.
	Nothing more than that.
	I was a complex guy with needs, with wants, with love in my heart.
	But potentially with not a long enough lifespan.
	Why?
	Because I didn't know the glory that is heat and cold.
	Because I was locked into a modality that made me believe that health I only could be purchased by pharmaceutical companies.
	I didn't know about Dr. Help Me Rhonda Patrick.
	She's a biomedical scientist and the host of Found My Fitness podcast and she's here now to talk to us about the limitless power within us that can be unlocked by subjecting ourselves, I think, to extreme temperatures.
	Thanks for joining us, Dr. Rhonda.
	Well, it's a pleasure to be here, Russell.
	Thanks for having me on the show.
	We're so grateful that you came here.
	Thanks very much.
	Hey, is it true that in every single conceivable, measurable metric, if you have like saunas, it's good for you?
	Like heart disease, it's good for respiratory conditions, it's good for cancer.
	Is that true or is that fake news?
	It's almost true, with the exception of cancer, that hasn't been shown yet. But as you mentioned,
	you know, thermal stress, the sauna is a type of thermal stress. You're elevating your core
	body temperature, much like exercise. When you exercise, you elevate your core body temperature,
	you sweat to try to cool yourself down. Well, saunas, you know, they're a type of stress,
	they're called intermittent stress. And this is the same type of stress that exercise is. It's a
	good type of stress where you're stressing your body, but your body has evolved these stress
	responses that are beneficial to that stress. I mean, humans were, you know, throughout evolution,
	we were exposed to intermittent stress. We were...
	You know, hunting, gathering, you're running fast to get prey, you know, that we went through periods of food scarcity, right?
	Like, these are types of intermittent stress, and our bodies have evolved pathways, genes that are turned on that sort of respond to that, that are not only beneficial in that moment, but they have a net beneficial effect.
	Anti-inflammatory responses, antioxidant responses that are active much longer than the intermittent type of stress period that we sort of
	engaged in. And so, yes, sauna use has been, and it's a modality, another modality, I argue, another modality
	of basically healthful types of behaviors like exercise, like meditation, like good sleep,
	all these things that, good diet, these are lifestyle factors that are known to improve
	health. And I think sauna should be one of those factors because there is just mounting
	evidence that the sauna is associated with a 50% lower cardiovascular-related mortality.
	It's associated with a 40% lower, what's called all cause mortality,
	basically dying from all non-accidental causes.
	As you mentioned, respiratory disease as well, it affects the lungs.
	Alzheimer's disease, a 66% lower chance of getting Alzheimer's disease.
	So many different benefits that have been sort of over the years now,
	we're getting more evidence that the sauna is beneficial.
	It's extraordinary, it seems to me, doctor, that by replicating the conditions
	the conditions by which we long lived deep in our forgotten history, we can engage
	by which we long lived deep in our forgotten history, we can engage dormant forces.
	dormant forces, and that one of the hallmarks of our time appears to be this disembodying
	And that one of the hallmarks of our time It's extraordinary, it seems to me, Doctor, that by replicating
	way of life, that we increasingly stare sedentary at screens, glazed and lost and not
	connected to our bodies, unable to have healthy sex, eat healthy food, move nimbly through
	trees.
	It's like we've forgotten who we are.
	Do you believe that that's part of what it is?
	That it replicates the conditions for which we are evolved?
	And indeed, is that why it even, like exercise, sauna, and can I ask, cold therapy, is that why they affect your mental health positively too?
	I do think so.
	I think that because we have been able to measure genetic pathways, molecular pathways, molecules that are increasing in our body in response to sauna use, in response to exercise, in response to cold exposure, We're able to measure those molecules and genes and go, look, these are beneficial molecules.
	They're anti-inflammatory molecules.
	They're things that are blunting chronic inflammation, which is a byproduct of being sedentary, of being overweight, obese, of eating a refined, you know, carbohydrate, processed food, rich diet.
	And we're able to then also look at these genes.
	These are genes that are, You know, heat shock proteins, for one, they respond to
	heat, but they also respond to just stress in general.
	So you can actually activate heat shock proteins, obviously, from sauna, which would increase,
	you know, your core body temperature and exercise, but cold exposure also increases those.
	And they're basically...they have a beneficial effect in your brain, also in muscle mass.
	They're preserving muscle mass, preventing atrophy.
	And so, yes, I do think that actually the intermittent type of stress, you have to kind
	of be uncomfortable for a little bit.
	And that uncomfortable feeling is essential for the response, which is beneficial.
	And this this term is somewhat sometimes it's called referred to as what's called hormesis.
	So essentially you expose your body to a little bit of stress.
	Sometimes that stress could be in the form of physical activity or temperature stress, or it can be plant polyphenols.
	You can, you know, turmeric for one.
	You know, these are bioactive compounds that are found in plants that they're a little bit toxic, but only when they're like in a really, really, really, really high dose.
	Like, for example, they're toxic to insects or fungus, and that's kind of how Why plants evolve these compounds is to sort of ward them off.
	But when humans ingest them, it has a similar response.
	It activates these beneficial anti-inflammatory, antioxidant pathways in our brain and in our body that are improving the way we age and improving the way we feel, the way we think.
	And it's interesting because I actually became so interested in Asana when I was a graduate student getting my PhD.
	I was in the lab.
	Failed experiment after failed experiment.
	I mean, let me tell you, there's like 10 more failed experiments than successful ones as a scientist.
	I was very stressed out.
	I mean, it was very overwhelming.
	And I started using the sauna every morning before I went into the lab to do my experiments.
	And it was like night and day difference.
	I knew something was happening in my brain.
	I was able to handle stress better.
	I was able to handle the anxiety of, you know, graduate school better.
	And so I started looking into this research and like there's something going on in the brain.
	Like people usually think about sauna, they think about sweating out toxins, which is true.
	But I was very interested in the profound effects that it was having on my mental health.
	And that was sort of the start of my interest in saunas.
	This was back in like 2010.
	And since then, there has been quite a bit of literature showing that sauna is beneficial on the brain.
	So work by Dr. Charles Raison, you know, this was back in about 2016, he published a paper with people that have major depressive disorder, and they were sort of resistant to typical treatment.
	So like SSRIs, serotonin reuptake inhibitors is a very common one.
	And so he took these individuals and separated them into two groups.
	One group got what's called whole body hyperthermia, which is kind of like a sauna.
	So there's a machine, it's an infrared type of sauna where you basically are warming the person up via infrared radiation.
	And so they were getting that active treatment.
	And then there was a placebo group that was, getting just a little bit warmer, like enough to think they
	were getting the treatment, but it wasn't. And the people that were getting the actual
	treatment, they actually were in a feverish state.
	So their core body temperature, I mean, they were at about 101.3 degrees Fahrenheit, which is a
	little bit feverish. So they were really getting hot. And after just one treatment, they had an
	antidepressant effect that was not found in the placebo group that lasted six weeks.
	And this was sort of the instigation of now what is a, you know, a field of research that I'm involved in.
	Dr. Ashley Mason at UCSF is now taking that...she's taken that study And she said, OK, well, that was one session.
	What if we take depressed people and give them like four or eight sessions?
	What kind of effect will that have?
	And so the data is very promising.
	It's not published yet.
	I can't talk too many details about it, but it's extremely promising.
	And it's so exciting because what we have here is a potential modality for mood disorders, anxiety.
	Much more work needs to be done.
	But the reality is that sauna does mimic in many ways moderate cardiovascular intensity.
	A lot of the physiological response is similar.
	And it takes a certain amount of commitment to go for a run, to get on a bike, get on your Peloton,
	whatever it is that's gonna get your heart rate up and you're sweating.
	And a lot of times people that are depressed, it is challenging for them to try to take that initial step.
	But when you tell them to get into a sauna, it kind of feels like,
	well, I just have to step into this.
	Yes, it's uncomfortable.
	It gets uncomfortable when you get hot, and you do have to sort of bear through that uncomfort, but it's easier to step into a sauna than to start going for a jog, especially if you've never done that.
	You've been sedentary.
	And so not to mention people that are disabled.
	There are a variety of people that can't go for a run, they can't get on a bike and cycle.
	And so, this is a potential new way to improve, not only improve mood and basically mental health,
	but the side effects are reduced cardiovascular disease, they're reduced respiratory disease,
	reduced Alzheimer's disease risk.
	I mean, it's beneficial side effects.
	So I'm so excited about this area of research and we have known for a while that exercise
	is also a potential treatment.
	Not just, I don't wanna say potential, I mean, it really is,
	it could be a treatment for depression.
	Study after study has come out, in fact, a new one just came out comparing,
	head to head comparison, people getting antidepressants versus people getting running therapy.
	And the running therapy is basically working just as good as the antidepressants.
	I mean, that was pretty amazing, because I do saunas all the time, and I'm actually still quite depressed.
	I don't know.
	I'm going to turn it up or something.
	thing about the antidepressants because obviously that's kind of things that have been mentioned
	there about combating depression and stress that's highly profitable is the medicines and
	pharmaceutical drugs in that industry so i wonder if there's a kind of i don't know if there's a
	suppression around this information or a lack of money going into the research for this but
	obviously these are things that could make a huge difference to people without putting them on a
	lifetime of of pharmaceutical drugs i bet you're right gareth and it's really good that you've
	observed that notice that while you're also having to edit a video for later on in the week
	That is how hard we work.
	Gareth's literally working on other projects during this.
	And I am personally an advocate for saunas and cold plunge therapy.
	Love Wim Hof.
	Have regular saunas.
	I want to know more specific information about how hot I should be getting and how long I should be in them.
	I'm obviously gonna ask you that, as well as reading you this comment from a member of our locals community, which you can join, anyone can join.
	It's a fantastic little community.
	You get my stand-up special, Brandemic, as part of the package.
	P. Kivvy says, I'm a Finn, and... I mean, how dare you?
	And wood-fork-fuelled sauna with a jump in the lake or snowbank in North MN is how I grew up.
	See?
	That's how the Finns have been doing it for a long time.
	And you, Doctor, may be a scientist, but I will tell you plainly, with my hand on my heart, it's pronounced Chumerick.
	Also, Doc, tell us a little more, would you, about the benefits of lactic acid, and in particular within high-intensity workouts, and perhaps pick up, too, on Gareth's point that there are, it seems, natural facilities for life-giving benefits to our immune systems and respiratory systems that are not promoted or explored precisely because they're not profitable or not worthy of research.
	These are the kind of questions that were raised during the pandemic and that we continue to discuss.
	Not because we're like hippy-dippy lunatics, although in the case of me I actually am a bit,
	but because we believe that there are great powers that can be accessed and will only be
	supplemented through profitable medicines when necessary.
	What do you think about all that, Doc?
	You nailed it on the head.
	there's a lack of funding for alternative types of treatments and therapies, not only for mental health,
	but a variety of other age-related diseases as well.
	It is extremely difficult to get funding, and so you have to be creative and find other ways,
	which we have done.
	And so there's always people out there that are philanthropic, that are willing
	and want to donate to research.
	And so you just have to be creative and not just go for the same sort of government-funded type
	of grants.
	And, you know, there's not an incentive there.
	As you mentioned, the incentive, you're not going to profit much from someone that can go for a run or from someone that can actually even take a hot bath, to be honest.
	Hot baths have also been shown you can do 20 minutes at 104 degrees Fahrenheit, and you can activate heat shock proteins in the same way that being in a sauna 163 degrees Fahrenheit for 30 minutes can do.
	And so not everyone has access to a sauna.
	As the commenter mentioned in Finland, they are pretty ubiquitous.
	But a lot of people do have access to a hot bath.
	So I do.
	And when I'm traveling, I actually do hot baths.
	If there's not a sauna in my hotel, I take a hot bath as well.
	So it is something I think that people can do at home with respect to Temperature of the sauna.
	There are different types of saunas.
	So most of the research out there has come out of Finland, by the way.
	And the temperature, the sweet spot, seems to be at least 174 degrees Fahrenheit.
	You can convert that to Celsius.
	And the duration in there is also important, at least 20 minutes.
	And then also the frequency, how many times a week.
	So to get the minimum effective benefits, at least three times a week.
	But to really get the most robust, four, at least four.
	So four times a week, 20 minutes while you're in there at at least 174 degrees Fahrenheit.
	Now, you mentioned high intensity exercise, you know, vigorous exercise.
	So for a long time, it was thought when you work your muscles really hard, you're making what's called lactate or lactic acid.
	It's constantly going between lactate, lactic acid.
	It's just hydrogen ions moving.
	And it was thought that this was like this waste product that was not beneficial at all.
	In fact, it was thought it was making your muscles sore.
	And it turns out the lactate itself is not making your muscles sore.
	It's the hydrogen ions.
	But so much more we have learned over the course of the past 30 years or so is that lactate, when you force your muscles to work too hard, they basically can't make enough energy quick enough from basically these energy-producing little systems inside
	of your muscle called mitochondria that use oxygen to make the energy.
	They have to adapt and they have to go, okay, I need to make energy quicker.
	So they use glucose, they do this really quick type of metabolism where lactate is a byproduct.
	It turns out the muscles excrete it into circulation and it gets into the brain, it's transported
	into the brain where it's been shown to increase neurotransmitter production, glutamate, the
	major excitatory neurotransmitter, norepinephrine, involved in focus and attention.
	And also it's important, it's been shown to be critical for what's called long-term potentiation.
	Essentially, long-term memory, being able to remember things, learning, being able to learn things.
	And this is all being generated from your muscle.
	It acts as a little messenger that increases what's called brain-derived neurotrophic factor in your brain.
	It's making you smarter.
	It's making your brain more plastic, able to adapt to changing environments.
	And it's increasing the production of new neurons in your brain, all from exercise, all from this, quote-unquote, what we thought metabolic waste product.
	Our muscles are like little pharmaceutical factories.
	They're making compounds that are beneficial Not only for cardiovascular health, I think everyone agrees exercise has been known to be beneficial for cardiovascular health, but mental health as well.
	It's producing compounds that are, you know, they're acting as little signaling molecules, increasing neurotrophic factors in our brain.
	I mean, it's unreal.
	And not only that, they soak up harmful compounds, something called kynurenine.
	Muscles literally, when we exercise, they soak up something called kynurenine,
	which is a byproduct of tryptophan metabolism.
	Tryptophan is a essential amino acid we have to get from our diet.
	It's converted into serotonin in the brain, but it's also converted into kynurenine,
	which causes depression, accelerates brain aging.
	When we exercise, our muscle is soaking it up.
	All we have so many, I mean, we just have to know how to press the buttons,
	the right buttons in our body.
	And there's so much that can be done beneficially for mental health, for physical health,
	for the way we age, for improving the way our loved, you know, our family members, our loved ones,
	helping them feel better, helping the world feel better.
	I think exercise is like the most important thing and particularly moderate to vigorous exercise.
	But on top of that heat stress is another modality as well.
	And so I'm it's awesome to hear that you're doing this Russell and I do it as well and it's like one of those things you don't know until you know, you just you got to try it.
	If this is true, and you're doing it, how come you are so lacklustre and lacking in passion in your own discourse?
	How come you are so stymied and astringent and sloppy and lacking in vitality?
	Doctor, it's so fantastic to have you on the show and to have the opportunity to showcase your evident passion and knowledge, to hear you explain how many of the tools we require for wellness are accessible within us, even though of course we accept that, as you say, not everyone has access to a sauna, although if there are good facilities near you it's an absolute possibility.
	It's interesting to know that we can take control of our personal wellness, that we can alter the trajectory of our health, that we don't Need to be sedentary zombies staring dimly at screens, pumping ourselves sort of SSRIs to remain just a little bit upbeat.
	If you are yourself a symbol of these methods, then they seem to be working extremely well.
	I hope that I get another opportunity to speak with you.
	I'd love to have you on the show many, many more times.
	You obviously have a great deal to say and so much of it is incredibly beneficial and informative.
	Thank you, Doctor.
	I thank you so much, Russell.
	I'd love to chat with you again in the future.
	Thanks.
	Come on.
	Come on the show.
	Come round.
	Totally.
	I'm on it.
	I know you will.
	I know you don't muck about, do you, mate?
	Get in now!
	Dr Rhonda Patrick is the host of the Found My Fitness podcast which I heartily recommend.
	Thank you so much for joining us Dr Rhonda Patrick.
	Thanks mate.
	Is that meant to be you and Rhonda tomorrow?
	Which one am I then?
	Am I the little dog?
	Replying to a comment, I found patient zero, said someone in our chat.
	But Gareth, sarcastically and in a mean-spirited way, saying that I'm that grinning hound and
	Rhonda Patrick is the dominant raccoon dog.
	Hey, I'm in no position to complain about any dynamic, look at that.
	I've never been on a... That's the tightrope that I walk.
	It's a razor's edge, baby.
	I'm gonna get political, Ross, just to end the show.
	Go on.
	Instead of giving us, like, free burgers and fries... Yeah?
	Maybe we should have kept the gyms and the saunas open during the pandemic.
	Then we'd have all got healthier as a result.
	And happier.
	You are lucky we are on Rumble.
	Because if you say anything like that at The Guardian, on MSNBC, or heaven forbid on YouTube, you'd be literally put in jail.
	You'd be going, there's no saunas where you're going, my man.
	Prison!
	We've got a fantastic show for you tomorrow.
	We've got a fantastic guest.
	anti-war advocate and personal friend Dave Smith. We'll also be taking a deeper
	look at Tucker's Iraq regrets as well as having a bit of fun around that peace
	deal like that they're trying to balls up like you know China and Russia are
	looking for a peace deal and also we'll be looking at Vladimir maybe the reason
	peace hasn't been achieved is because Vladimir Putin literally doesn't seem to
	know how to shake hands.
	Except when there's like shaking, there's a guy who could do with a sauna.
	Maybe that's what's needed.
	Get Putin and Biden in a sauna, lock the door, see which one lives longest, that one gets to run the world.
	Would that work?
	Are they wearing towels in there?
	They're naked.
	Oh, the towels are off.
	Of course they're naked.
	They've got to be naked in there and they're right bunched up against each other, sweating on each other.
	Right.
	Do each other good, I think.
	Do each other what?
	Nothing.
	I'm not prepared to say it twice.
	I feel embarrassed.
	Hey, sign up to Locals.
	You get my stand-up special, Brandemic, included in the deal.
	You can buy it for a one-off price for a limited time for $20.
	Here's a little look at it now.
	What's going on at these pies?
	Did you read about what went on at the pies?
	Did you check it out?
	Yeah.
	Do you remember the main details that you picked up?
	It's cheese and wine, isn't it?
	Cheese.
	And wine.
	That's what our leaders think constitutes a good time.
	Cheese.
	And wine.
	I think more than the betrayal in the line and the potential duplicity that's implied by the fact that they weren't abiding by rules that we had to abide by, presumably for safety reasons, if they weren't concerned about those safety reasons, why were those rules implemented?
	Forget all that.
	I think what really bothers me is how shit their parties were.
	Hey, a bit of cheese and wine.
	Ooh, hello!
	Mini Babybel, anybody?
	Hey, up and down, look below, you're too slow.
	Look at me, Derry Lee, hey!
	Yeah, come on, Janice.
	Have a triangle, have a slice, looks nice.
	Brie, Edam, Guggenzola, crazy times, rock and roll.
	I can do do do, yeah!
	LAUGHTER LAUGHTER
	At least nearly die when you have a pie!
	die when you have a pie.
	Like a proper fucking British person!
	Aren't you familiar with scenes like this?
	Fucking hell mate, what's happened to your face?
	Went to a party last night.
	Jesus, there's blood coming out of your eye.
	Yeah, it was my cousin's wedding yesterday.
	There's a knife sticking out of your stomach!
	It was a lovely christening.
	Hey, there I go!
	You can get that, you can watch it now if you're a member of the locals community, like Thomas Beard, who says exercise is almost always the answer, or Pride Faults, I know something that'll work for your depression, but you won't try it.
	What is it?
	What can she mean?
	What do they all mean, these people?
	Well, you beautiful folk in our community.
	Well, It's time for us to leave you now, unless you're a member of our locals community, where you can immediately watch Stay Connected, the weekly show Gareth and I do, where we answer your questions and show you behind the scenes, and by God, what crazy things go on.
	Remember, we've got fantastic content coming up later this week, as well as the weekly meditations that are accessible.
	There's one dropping on Sunday, where I deal with imposter syndrome.
	Not personally, I know who I am, I believe in me.
	You can access things like live podcast recordings, like the one I've just done with Graham Hancock, which will be the show for everyone else on Friday.
	You get to see fantastic content.
	You'll be surrounded by it.
	Freedom will flood through your veins like Dr. Rhonda Patrick's serotonin, which she's drowning in from the sound of her.
	Join us tomorrow, not for more of the same, but for more of the different.
	Until then, stay free.
	Man he switchin', switch on, switch on.

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