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Harry & Meghan – More Important Than Joe Biden’s Lies? - #042 - Stay Free with Russell Brand

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	In this video, you're going to see the future.
	Hello there, you Awakening Wonders.
	Welcome to the show that we make for you.
	Stay free with Russell Brand.
	We're going to be talking about the news, the news that the mainstream media won't tell you, the stories that they will tell you.
	That's probably to distract you, and giving you some analysis.
	Hopefully, some laughs along the way.
	Harry and Meghan have got that Netflix documentary out, so we're going to look at that and what its function is.
	And I'll be citing Baudrillard, who's a French philosopher, And also I'll be doing it correctly, which is going to be astonishing.
	We're going to be looking at Amazon's Halo Rise.
	They're going to monitor our sleep, presumably to help us.
	If you're watching us now on YouTube, remember we can only stay with you for 10 minutes, then we'll only be available on Rumble.
	So click the link in the description if you're watching us on YouTube and join us on Rumble.
	In our item, Here's the News Now, Here's the Effing News, we'll be taking a deep dive and closer look at the militarisation of the police force and in particular looking at that clip-clop robot dog thing that they're turning into a police officer now in a horrifying and dystopic advance of militarised police action.
	It's a really, really funny take on that story, you'll love it.
	And later on, Annie Mashon, who's a former MI5 spy, will be with us talking about Apple's secret deals with China.
	So in a sense, we're giving you news that you won't get anywhere else, and hopefully in a way that's inclusive and loving and amusing.
	Hit rumble, if you would, because that helps us in ways that I can... I like to think that hitting rumble is like a G-spot, you know?
	And if you hit that, we're going to have some sort of orgasm.
	Right.
	That's how I see it.
	That's the only way I can understand reality, is by sexualizing Like a kind of political orgasm or?
	Yeah, a spiritual one.
	Right.
	A spiritual awakening.
	Before we get into whether or not the Harry and Meghan, I can't say that.
	All day you struggle with that.
	Every time I say their name I conglomerate it into one word.
	I say like hairy and meek man and sort of like hair on.
	I can't just say Harry and Meghan.
	And I think they're really interesting figures in one way in that they are analogous to ordinary royalty and they are the sort of cartilage between contemporary celebrity and traditional aristocratic royalty which both perform the same cultural function really of giving you sort of icons and idols to look towards that I reckon are distracting rather than aspirational.
	Let me know in the chat, let me know in the comments what you think.
	What's the function of Harry and Meghan?
	And does it concern you that these stories get so much coverage when there are other stories?
	I mean, just to name a couple, right?
	There's been immunity granted to Mohammed bin Salman, who is the Saudi leader who nutted off, I think is the correct phrase, that Jalal Khashoggi.
	That's a big use for the allegedly button there, Russ.
	Oh, sorry.
	Allegedly.
	I don't actually know that he did that.
	I just sort of said that as if it was an actual fact.
	What I do know as a fact is that when he was campaigning for election, Joe Biden said they would make Saudi Arabia a pariah.
	But now they've just sanctioned the immunity that's been granted to Mohammed bin Salman around that alleged involvement around that murder.
	So we'll talk about that a little bit.
	But before we get into all of this stuff, I want to see how Vladimir Putin is today.
	Have you noticed that Vladimir Putin, he's like the illest dictator in history.
	Every single day, he got a new illness.
	Yesterday, it was rather, it was quite blunt.
	He shat himself.
	That was yesterday's news.
	Today, puffy-faced Vladimir Putin.
	He's got a very puffy face.
	That's not even a proper illness.
	I think he's getting, if anything, he's getting better.
	Because he used to have cancer and now it's just a puffy face and shitting himself.
	I'd be over the moon with that.
	He's like Benjamin Button.
	Good news Mr Putin, you are getting younger and stronger.
	Just a few days ago it was cancer, now alright.
	The face is a bit puffy.
	And a bit stinky too.
	You clearly shit yourself, but you are in mint condition to run the Kremlin, you cheeky
	little gremlin.
	It's also childish to criticise someone's health all the time.
	Here are some of the illnesses Putin's been accused of having.
	Cancer, Parkinson's, gout and dead.
	He was accused of having dead.
	Like, he ain't even him no more.
	It's looking like he instead of him.
	So let me know, why are they, why are they so, why do the mainstream media want to propagate
	the idea that he's physically unwell?
	And do you think that's, like, the traditional smearing of enemies that takes place in the media?
	And just to clarify, in case there's an idiot watching, because sometimes one tunes in, we're not saying, like, that Vladimir Putin's a great guy and that the war in Ukraine's a good thing.
	It's terrible.
	It's a terrible, terrible, awful travesty.
	But so is shitting yourself.
	But if you can't even hold in the simplest or slipperiest of shits, we'd all like to do it from time to time.
	I've not yielded to that pressure.
	Not for a long time.
	Anyway, who are America and the American mainstream press to criticise Putin for having a bit of a puffy face and a little bit of a, for a little bit of what I call a downstairs shortcut.
	Why bother with the rigmarole?
	Why bother with it?
	They spoke about it yesterday and the press said that it caused him, having a fall down five steps apparently before landing on his coccyx, or tailbone, thanks, it caused him to involuntarily defecate.
	Now, of course, involuntarily, it wasn't like voluntarily, he didn't land and then think, now's a good time to defecate.
	Wait, my coccyx!
	Go go airbag!
	He's not Inspector Gadget releasing a shit to soothe his own coccyx, is he?
	Or is he Inspector Gadget?
	Let me know in the chat, let me know in the comments.
	Also, who are America to condemn Vladimir Putin for simply having a puffy face and a warm gusset filled with brown body porridge when their own president is as senile as the day?
	And do you sometimes think that Joe Biden is the political equivalent of a Freudian slip, i.e.
	the revelation of decay And senescence that is being concealed in our crumbling empire is presenting itself involuntarily, like a Vladimir Putin shit, through the figure of dear old Joe Biden.
	Although this clip, I would say, Gareth, is the funniest he's ever dealt with, his own fumbling and a mumbling.
	He's learning to use it, isn't he?
	He's using it like he's, yeah, he's owning it, he's owning it.
	Joe Biden's senility is his own personal N-word.
	He's owning it through humour.
	Have a look.
	Investment.
	We'll construct a second fab here in Phoenix to build chips, three nano-chips.
	The three nano-chip.
	Chips that are three nano.
	You know what I'm saying.
	Nano-no-no, I don't know.
	Nano-no-no-I-don't-know could become a new Biden catchphrase.
	You should do gigs out of that.
	I think that Nano-no-no-I-don't-know is a perfect catchphrase.
	Did your son have a job with a Ukrainian energy company and did you stop Twitter from publishing those stories?
	Nano-no-no-I-don't-know!
	It's a catchphrase!
	It's enjoyable.
	Among the countless ways that you're being distracted from the reality that takes place both within you and without of you is via the old Harry and Meghan story.
	I think they've released a Netflix documentary.
	Now, although we're unwilling to contribute to their... Quiet, you.
	See, Amazon continually... I don't like it when it makes that ding noise, do you?
	Mind your own business.
	Let me get on with my life.
	I'll pay attention to you when I need to.
	We're being invited to participate in the sort of foray, a melee of publicity that surrounds Meghan and Harry, but we will only do it with a wry, sideward glance and with a critical eye.
	Not like how it's being covered on... Is this CBS?
	Have a look at this bit of news reporting.
	It's extraordinary.
	It's CNBC, I think.
	It's one of them BCs.
	You know in America all of the TV show companies are made out of alphabet?
	Well, ours are as well.
	We've got BBC, ITV, then C4.
	So at least we've got a number in that.
	Your one's NBC, SMNBC.
	There's always that.
	Anyway, it's one of those things.
	Have a look at this guy.
	He's not prepared for the news.
	They talk for a long while about timing without ever mentioning how this timing is beneficial.
	And not once do they mention the fact that Pfizer have misled us over child vaccines, or that railway workers have been lied to by the Biden administration, or that immunity is being granted to the Saudi Arabian Prince Mohammed bin Salman around his alleged involvement in the execution of a journalist.
	They get through the whole broadcast without mentioning that.
	They just talk about celebrity prince and princess Meghan and Harry.
	Have a look.
	And then the timing is so interesting, Kier, because just really about an hour ago, Netflix dropped the trailer for Harry and Meghan's highly anticipated Netflix docuseries.
	We were on the set and we all just watched it together.
	It's buzzy.
	Let's take a look.
	Excited about that lady, isn't she?
	So excited.
	I like it.
	You like the excitement?
	I like people who like that.
	You like the vibe?
	Yeah, yeah, cool.
	Because you think she'd apply that to anything.
	You know what I think.
	I know that.
	And then, watch out.
	No one sees what's happening behind closed doors.
	The reason no one sees what's happening behind closed doors is because the door is closed.
	It's closed, isn't it?
	Shut the door for a reason.
	That's literally the point, isn't it?
	But maybe if you get the, we say if you want to defecate, unless you're Vladimir Putin,
	then you just wait for that fifth step, bang on the coccyx, go go gadget toilet!
	You'll have seen elsewhere that many of the stills inserted into this trailer are not
	from Meghan and Harry related matters.
	I think that was a Harry Potter premiere, that paparazzi shot and stuff like that.
	I've seen that on other YouTubers' content.
	And if you are watching this on YouTube, remember, flip over to Rumble, where you'll be able to see it censored.
	In about 10 minutes, I'm going to be saying all sorts of stuff.
	Ah, look, Fire Girl 2020.
	It was Putin's coccyx enema.
	Nice!
	Karlsson said this whole thing is fake.
	A lot of people are sick and tired of dear Harry and Meghan.
	Now I feel a lot of sympathy for the personal circumstances that he in particular endured.
	Mum died and that, and there's an image of him following the coffin.
	That's a little bit sad.
	But I suppose ultimately, what interests me most about this story is why we are continually drawn to it.
	These apparently vacuous stories are pillars in our prison of idiocy.
	Have a look, right, in the last 24 hours, the number of stories about Harry and Meghan versus stories about that Saudi prince being granted immunity.
	Have a look at this now.
	Check it out, have a look at the figures now.
	On our screen.
	On the screen, using that.
	We want to see them.
	No, no, that's going to take a long while to start that process.
	So Harry and Meghan, look at that, 40 million sort of search results there for that.
	Joe Biden, Saudi Muni, only 48,000 search results in the last 24 hours.
	That's less than clown shoes, 51,000 searches, and mouse trousers, 56,000.
	I do think a lot of those were yours though, because you're always Googling mouse trousers.
	I've been trying to find mouse trousers for a long time and the simple truth is they don't exist.
	They don't exist at all.
	Mouses don't require trousers.
	You've got to stop doing it.
	It's a waste of time.
	I must have done it 56,000 times yesterday in my attempt to find the appropriate mouse trousers.
	Let's go back to the trailer and see what else, the trailer and news story of Meghan and Harry.
	See what the hell they're talking about over there.
	there.
	Hmm.
	I'll have to fill.
	And then the timing is so interesting, Kier, because...
	When the stakes are this high, doesn't it make more sense to hear our story from us?
	The trailer is a justification for the project, but I suppose that's what all trailers are, isn't it?
	Even if it's Batman.
	Oh no, Batman.
	He's been under so much pressure.
	I've seen Batman go through that thing in the alley when his mum and dad get killed.
	I'm sick of it now.
	I'm actually at the point where I think Batman should just get over it.
	Stop fighting crime.
	Batman, your mum and dad are getting... Don't go down that alley after the fear.
	Your mum's pearls are going to spill on the floor.
	Anyway, listen, we're going to be leaving YouTube... Oh yeah, are we off or not?
	Listen, we're leaving YouTube.
	Not forever, just for now.
	I just want to let you know that in the latter part of this show, we're talking to Annie Mashon, a former spy turned whistleblower, about all that gear that's been going on in China.
	We're going to be giving you a brilliant, brilliant insight into the new robot murderer dogs that they'll be employing in San Francisco.
	Robotised killing machines patrolling your streets.
	We've got so much more to talk about, so if you are watching us on YouTube right now, Go over to Rumble where you can see us completely uncensored.
	And we use that lack of censorship not to bring about hate speech, not to be mean to people.
	We've got no interest in that.
	We want you to be included.
	We are beyond all form of political categories.
	Left and right, that stuff's over, man.
	We've got to create a new movement and we need you right now to come over.
	Join us, one of us, one of us.
	Make them one of us.
	See you on Rumble in a second.
	So, in a sense, the clip justifies its own existence.
	That's the point of it.
	You said earlier, too confidently in my view, that you had points to make about Harry and Meghan.
	I guess people have kind of asked me all day, what do you think about this?
	More members of the team, what do you reckon about this?
	My response has just been, ugh, I'm just not, this is just ridiculous distraction, I don't care.
	I mean, the thing, my personal feeling is, now they exist outside the royal family, they're just, they're a product, like everything else, they're celebrities, like everything else, so the fact that they've got a Netflix documentary, well loads of people do, I don't think it makes that much difference.
	The main, what we, obviously we talked about it being a distraction from other stories, such as the immunity for the Saudi prince, but also even if you just look at Stories around the Royal Family and Netflix.
	Netflix made a record 2.8 billion profits in 2020.
	They paid a tax rate of less than 1% due to offshore accounts.
	Now, no one's telling that story about Netflix because they're all talking about this.
	With the Royal Family, I'd rather know the fact that rather than care about Harry and Meghan, that the Royal Family were able to veto laws through their connections with government, that King Charles didn't pay an inheritance tax on a massive wealth of £1.2 billion.
	You know, it's... These are the stories that we're not being really... Well, we're not talking about while we're Talking about this.
	And why is no one talking about mouse trousers?
	Which remain impossible to acquire even in what we ridiculously call 2022.
	The Saudi immunity story that we keep referring to, I'll just give you a little more background of that, this is a result of my own tireless research that sometimes goes on long into the night.
	I'm not just googling mouse trousers, I'm an investigative journalist.
	But all of this is yours.
	I'm a bit like Matt Taibbi.
	You know him?
	Yeah.
	I'm like him.
	You're the original.
	Yeah, Chris Hedges, all of them.
	Them ones out of that Watergate film.
	Yeah.
	I'm them.
	A case against Saudi Arabia's Mohammed Bin Salman regarding the murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi has been dismissed by a US judge not because he didn't look likely to be responsible.
	Allegedly!
	But because he's been granted immunity.
	He can't be granted immunity from anything other than justice though.
	That doesn't mean he might not bang his coccyx and shit himself.
	You simply can't conduct that at a judicial level.
	Biden promised that he would hold the Saudi Crown Prince accountable for the murder if he was elected president and suggested that they would be a global pariah.
	At the time of granting immunity in the U.S., the U.S.
	wanted Saudi Arabia to turn up oil production.
	In August, the Biden administration approved a potential multibillion-dollar arms sales to Saudi Arabia worth an estimated $3.5 billion.
	Very good research for a start.
	I mean, I'm knackered from that.
	The other thing about sort of the Meghan and Harry story is, in essence, these figures become the occupants of the simulacrum that Baudrillard talks about in his, you know, Simulacrum and Simulacra and that book.
	But listen to this quote.
	You'll like it.
	We're putting it up on your screen now so you can read it yourself.
	But nevertheless, I'll read it to you.
	I like this because it's talking about layers of reality.
	And when people say things like you're living in an illusion, sometimes you don't consider it properly, do you?
	Because you sort of, in a way, don't feel like you are living in an illusion.
	You bang your leg on the table, you fall down the stairs, bang your coccyx.
	It feels real enough when you shit yourself, let me tell you.
	So this is Baudrillard unpacking the idea of the illusion that we live within.
	Disneyland is there to conceal the fact that the real country of all real America, which Disneyland, The grammar of this is really bad.
	Well, he's rubbish, isn't he?
	Why did he get so famous?
	Disneyland is there to conceal the fact that it is the real country of real America, which Disneyland, just as real prisons, are there to conceal the fact that it is the social in its entirety, in all its banal omnipresence, which is carcerial.
	Like, what he's saying is that the presence of Disneyland as a kind of imaginary space, as a pretend space, what it does is it makes you think that I'm in Disneyland now.
	I'm in the magical kingdom.
	This is the world of play and fun.
	Now I've left Disneyland and I'm walking down a high street and this is real.
	But in a sense, you are in an imposed reality with imposed regulations.
	You can't have a real experience anymore.
	It's being denied you.
	But at the level of administration, decisions are made that you're not electorally participating in.
	There are economic entities that are beyond your reach.
	We live in an illusion.
	And I like what Baudrillard's saying here about prisons.
	If you're in, like dear Julian Assange, you're in a Category A prison, you have extremely limited freedom.
	If you're in a B Category prison, I'm using sort of the British terminology, you have slightly more freedom, a bit of yard time, access to some utilities.
	If you're in a C Category prison, you might even be allowed to go out sometimes and have a job down the town.
	But this masks the fact that we are all contained within systems of incarceration.
	If you want to understand how limited your freedom is, try acting impulsively.
	And I don't mean in terms of interfering with the freedom or rights of others.
	I mean truly expressing yourself, not paying tax, not participating in financial systems.
	If the pandemic revealed anything to us, it was just how easy it was for them to impose fervent authority upon us.
	The machinery already existed.
	The will was all that was required.
	So, Ultimately, when people say we're living in a prison planet, I think that's what they're referring to.
	So he goes on to say, Disneyland is presented as imaginary in order to make us believe that the rest is real,
	when in fact all of LA and the America surrounding it are no longer real,
	but in order of the hyperreal and of simulation.
	Interesting insight.
	And say, like, if you watch like I did, like a mad heritage pornographer, I watch, like, The Crown.
	Like, that's, we recognize it's sort of fictionalized, scripted, dramatized reality.
	This documentary that they're making will be sort of a small, like a limited insight into a version of their lives that's favorable to their interests and their relationship with broadcasters and Commercial partners.
	The Disneyland quote for our girl is Baudrillard, the philosopher Baudrillard.
	Alex Overton, how can we move forward to the next step?
	I've told you many, many times and I'll continue to tell you.
	Individual awakening, community activism and critiquing the establishment modalities through the pillars of government, big business and the state.
	Here's another mainstream media news story now from Amazon on the halo rise, which I think is a new bit of tech that Amazon have introduced.
	Sounds menacing to me.
	It's going to monitor your sleep.
	Do you not want to be monitored while you sleep?
	No.
	You don't want someone looking at you?
	I prefer it to be an actual person.
	Well, that's not going to happen, Gal.
	It's going to be Halo Rise watching you while you sleep.
	The thing is, is that if you watch this broadcast, it moves between sort of promotion, apparent critique, but ultimately sort of compliance with the agenda of Amazon.
	And when we reveal CNBC's, the nature of CNBC's relationship with Amazon, that will become clear.
	Have a quick look.
	Amazon yesterday introduced Halo Rise.
	It's a bedside alarm clock with sensors and it monitors your sleep and gives you tips to improve it.
	Is it dreamy or creepy?
	John Ford.
	John Ford, the broadcaster, who I quite like, you'll see him in a minute, he's doing an item called On the Other Hand, which I suppose the nature of this is that he's presenting an alternative view.
	Both sides.
	Both sides.
	There's one hand, then there's the other hand.
	But it ain't the other hand.
	It starts off as a little bit of mild dissent, but ultimately yields to sort of what I'd call promo.
	I don't get it though.
	John doesn't say, go to sleep!
	What is it?
	I didn't like that joke much.
	No.
	Like shouting go to sleep.
	It's interesting.
	I wouldn't like it if you did that to me on a live broadcast.
	I'd never do that.
	Certainly not at bedtime, Gareth.
	That's when I'm at my gentlest.
	The tie, some say, is a way of indicating that the head is cut off from the body.
	That we're living entirely in the materialistic and rational mind.
	And he hasn't got much of a neck either, has he?
	Well, he's actually folded his own neck up a bit using his necktie.
	He's created himself what I'd call a neck-giner.
	It's too tight.
	With that little crevice there, I wouldn't be worried about the Amazon Halo at night.
	I'd be worried about people popping their finger into the crevice.
	Clear your mind!
	How does it give you tips?
	Do you know?
	Well, yeah.
	Because it tells you if it's too humid, if it's too light, if you need to make some adjustments.
	Take a sleeping pill!
	Things like that.
	Well, that would be advice.
	But, you know, overall, a little creepy.
	Anything or anyone watching you sleep is a little creepy.
	But let's lay this out.
	Halo Rise, $140 sleep tracker.
	It doesn't have cameras or microphones built in.
	Instead, sensors monitor the breathing of the closest person in bed, the temperature and light.
	I like the idea there's all these people in the bed.
	Where's this happening?
	In a Hugh Hefner's Playboy mansion?
	Or maybe my house, where there's me and my kids and my wife all in one bed.
	Cats.
	Some cats, dogs, it's chaos in there.
	It's absolute chaos in there.
	So he's saying that there's not a microphone or cameras, it's just sensing the breath.
	Well that's subtle promo already, isn't it?
	Because that's basically saying, nothing to worry.
	It's not filming you while you sleep.
	It's not looking at your little neck gina.
	I'm going to try and slip something down there.
	No, no, no.
	No, this is simply sensing your breath and advising you on humidity.
	It levels humidity in the room.
	It reports the sleep information to the Halo app, which runs on a fitness service that
	typically costs four bucks a month, which you get six months for free when you...
	Now that's directly becoming promo now, you get six months for free.
	Why are they saying that?
	What relationship does CNBC have with Amazon that you're so directly promoting their product?
	The sleep tracking device joins smart home devices including doorbell cameras that watch and listen outside your house, smart speakers that listen and sometimes watch inside your house, and drones and robots that can fly or roll around to keep you informed of what's going on.
	So why is this uncomfortable?
	Well, in our web... ...the other hand device, right?
	Like, he's showing you the other hand.
	Look at this guy, he's really grossing Amazon there.
	He's really querying their sort of spy tech and their constant surveillance.
	Ultimately, though, we will arrive at a point where you're offered convenience instead of privacy, right?
	He's gonna... she's not gonna go, and that's why I condemn this thing.
	And all of their spyware and tech.
	When are we going to learn?
	When are we going to listen to Snowden?
	That if we keep giving them this data, they're going to ultimately use it against us.
	I mean, Gareth, what's that story, mate, about lotto vaccine data?
	Yeah.
	That's in California.
	Gavin Newsom, who, you know, when they did this Vax for the Win?
	Do you remember that?
	What was it?
	It was a sweepstake.
	So if you got vaccinated, it was like, you entered this lottery for big cash prizes.
	Yeah.
	But don't worry, your information will be totally secure.
	We never used that.
	Absolutely not.
	I'm good.
	So this is just a prize.
	It's confidential.
	I can trust you then.
	No, it isn't confidential.
	No, it's been flowing to a political consulting firm called Street Level Strategy.
	So they're getting in touch with people now who got vaccinated to go, got vaccinated the first time.
	How about a booster?
	And all manner of other things.
	You said this was private.
	Where's my lot, Owen?
	Exactly.
	I don't know how the idea was flowing, Gareth.
	That means it has almost a tide and certainly momentum.
	It was like Vladimir Putin, wasn't it?
	Oh, flowing straight out of... Well, you bang a man on a cockstick, he's gonna react.
	Brothers, we got trackers called Cookies, right?
	Which I'll point out is creepy, because the witch from Hansel and Gretel must have come up with... Why is he doing all this?
	He shouldn't mention that... He shouldn't go into folklore and mythology when talking about Amazon.
	And he should be querying the nature of Cookies, because I think CNBC and most mainstream media companies now make a significant amount of their revenue from handing... from packaging up your data and controlling your data.
	News sources are the biggest now.
	News sources are the biggest.
	They're worse than anyone.
	They're like Ansel and Gretel from Grimm's Fairy Tales.
	They're not the problem.
	For a start, they're made up.
	And that witch wasn't even.
	I'm just checking this now with my own investigative journalism.
	She ain't real.
	You don't need to worry about that.
	You need to worry about CNBC.
	They're the ones that are up to all this crap.
	Well, some cookies have turned out to be a problem because they're tracking too much, and that's the issue with these smart home devices.
	They're like cookies in the real world.
	We're told, like with browser cookies, they're here to help make life easier.
	But it's a slippery slope.
	The witch watched Hansel and Gretel sleep too.
	Remember that joke.
	What's he going on about this wish so much?
	He's gone too alternative, I think.
	Too far, hasn't he?
	I don't know how he's ever going to get back from this promontory of reason that he's built for himself, this critique of the mainstream, how's he ever going to get back from it?
	Well, he will remember he's paying his wages.
	That's how he's going to get back.
	Can you use that argument to make any technology seem, any new innovation, seem evil or prying?
	I shall be saying with my little neck, China is some sort of abomination simply because I folded up the front of my neck there to be my own private little sex place.
	You could say any technology is a kind of monster.
	People were suspicious once of pencils and tractors.
	Very interesting.
	A long time ago, Adam Curtis, the filmmaker, said to me that we'd be invited into this sort of state of managerialism, that ultimately our role is to sort of monitor our own health continually.
	That politics has become managed decline.
	There are no true visionaries in politics now saying we can We can completely reorganize society.
	Our models of nationalism, our corporate and economic models can all be radically altered.
	We can have a deep spiritual awakening.
	No, instead, politicians like Blair, Clinton, Obama, Bush, and I would argue and contest even figures like Trump and Biden participate in the same managed decline within a narrow framework of ideas.
	And we as individuals are asked to participate through technology in just a sort of personal managerialism.
	Oh, my pulse is doing this.
	What about connecting to who you actually are?
	What about connecting at depth to the deep truth within you and other people?
	This is being evaded, avoided, neglected, abandoned.
	Now I think it's time for us to give, you know, they may be providing a sort of a hokey and I would say somewhat faux alternative perspective within the framework of their show through their device and item on the other hand.
	But let's offer yet another hand and a third hand.
	That's a creepy idea, isn't it?
	No one would like to find that emerging like a co-joined twin out of the groin, a third hand.
	No, I'm in bed at night.
	You're in bed, you're monitoring your breathing through a sensor, then there's another hand.
	You know both your hands are there already.
	Wait a minute, what's this new hand?
	Oh, oh actually, no, this is actually quite good.
	Thanks for coming.
	Let's have a look at some of the connections between Amazon and CNBC.
	Amazon is the biggest advertiser on earth and spends $16.9 billion annually in the U.S.
	It's the biggest advertiser on U.S.
	TV.
	So that's one commercial connection between Amazon and CNBC.
	In May this year, Amazon and NBCUniversal announced a major new product placement deal that would allow adverts to be digitally inserted into television shows.
	So that's another connection.
	So CNBC is a division of NBC Universal News Group, which is a subsidiary of NBC Universal, which is in excuse me, in turn owned by Comcast.
	Comcast expanded its partnership with Amazon Web Services in 2018.
	Comcast signed a deal with Amazon in 2021 to stream their films and streaming network Peacock lands on Amazon Fire TV soon.
	So that's just like some of the sort of over connections.
	Thank you, Carl SN, for Congratulating and commending me on the research.
	Well it is excellent.
	That's what I do.
	Top-notch today.
	What do you think I'm going to do?
	Lie in bed at night with a furred hand lashing around at my groin?
	The other thing as well is that this is all about data isn't it?
	Ultimately we get to, you know, we know that they're monitoring our data and this is just another way of taking, cleaning even more data from us.
	And a story... How do you know?
	Well I don't know.
	You've just done research, haven't you?
	Well, I'm just reading your research.
	But it's interesting, this story about Pfizer's Albert Baller misleading the public on child vaccines, because at a time when we're told everything's about data and that it's about science and the whole reason, the whole justification for anything now, isn't it?
	It's, oh, well, we've got the data to back it up.
	Yeah, that's right.
	Everything is rational.
	You're only being asked to stay inside your house for your health.
	You're wearing a mask for your health.
	You're taking this medication for your health.
	It's all underwritten by data.
	That's what we're told.
	We're told, but in the case of Albert Baller, so he's been rapped by the UK's pharmaceutical watchdog for making misleading statements about children's vaccines.
	So basically he said on the BBC, who are, you know, our state-funded media, funded by us, the public.
	But actually our guest yesterday was talking about the fact that actually it's basically a pipeline from government to the BBC.
	You can watch that conversation on Rumble right now.
	It's a fantastic conversation between us and Matt Kennard.
	What did he say, mate?
	Well, he was just saying that there's a kind of direct line between government and even the BBC.
	The BBC, we kind of, in this country, kind of hold up to a different set of standards than we would, like, say, corporate media.
	But it turns out that, well, according to Matt, it's exactly the same.
	Anyway, so Albert Baller said on the BBC, there is no doubt in my mind that the benefits completely are in favour of vaccinating youngsters and that kids will have severe symptoms of COVID.
	But the prescription medicines code of practice authority called dr borders remarks about the children's vaccine disgracefully misleading and extremely promotional in nature saying the margin of benefit was considered too small and citing the low risk to healthy children from the virus so but it didn't matter fortnight later ministers gave the green light to for youngsters to be given a dose of the vaccine so In the time where we're told everything's about data, it's all about data monitoring, everything that Amazon are taking is all about data.
	In this case, this is about Albert Boller going on the BBC and saying, I feel like, in my opinion, there's no doubt that the benefits outweigh anything else.
	These are hunches that then get greenlit by the government.
	So they use this sort of data that is convenient and they exclude data that is inconvenient.
	Ultimately what we have learned is that if you look at the relationships between the state and corporations, if you look at the relationships between big tech and the government, and if you look at where power is consolidating either financially or through regulatory ability, then these things start to make more sense.
	The reason that it feels like we live in this time without values and principles is because there are no values and principles.
	That's why you can condemn people protesting against lockdown in the UK or US or Canada and celebrate protesters against lockdown in China.
	That's what out here the news was yesterday.
	We looked at that in depth and we looked at how WEF-affiliated politicians like Trudeau
	and Rishi Sunak introduced tyrannical measures in their own countries, whether that's anti-protest
	laws or the ability to freeze the bank accounts of people that supported Canadian trucker
	protests, while applauding Chinese protesters.
	What that suggests is a total lack of a moral center or any principles.
	Principles means there's a sort of a firmness, there is something you will not do or that
	you absolutely will do and you don't change it just because it's convenient.
	Now I suppose one of the things that's sanctioned about the relationship between the citizenry
	and their law enforcement officers is that it's ultimately, I think it says on the door
	in your country America, of their cars to protect and to serve.
	So this idea of protection and service is meant to be baked in, instilled deeply into law enforcement.
	It's meant to be consensual.
	They're meant to be members of the community, helping the community.
	There are a lot of people on what you would still call the left, perhaps because you're not up to the crazy state of evolution that we're up to, that are very anti the police.
	And there are people on the right that are pro-police.
	And I'm sure there's sort of distinctions, differences in this odd cauldron of opinions that flow all over the show.
	But what I think is fascinating now is the ongoing militarisation of the police force.
	The police force are becoming, in a sense, a wing of the army.
	And what does that suggest?
	Let me know in the chat, let me know in the comments.
	Do you sometimes feel that the state is getting ready for further uprisings when they control free speech, when they limit the ability to protest, when they turn the domestic population against one another, and then start arming The police force with terrifying technology.
	And even myself, I was surprised, Gareth, when we were making this piece of content by the idea that drones are in fact robot killers.
	I'm so used to the idea that drones are sort of like slick little white iPod things.
	I think of them as like iPods of the sky, just delivering little playlists at an Afghan wedding.
	What you need is a little... Why don't you listen to I've Had the Time of My Life?
	I'm sorry you're innocent but I'm bystanders and it was a bomb.
	So in a way we've introduced the technological murder of innocent people into foreign territories and now you can enjoy it at home in San Francisco.
	This is of course the story that San Francisco police have just legalized the use of murderous robots for law enforcement.
	Have a look at this in depth.
	Stay with us and comment.
	Let me know what you think about it in our item.
	Here's the news.
	No, here's the effing news.
	See you in a minute.
	We've seen a massive wealth transfer from the poor to the rich.
	We are now seeing the militarization of the police on an unprecedented scale.
	Remember them Terminator films?
	Well thankfully laws are now being passed in San Francisco to make it legal for robots to kill people.
	Nothing to worry about there then.
	Hello there, you six million awakening wonders.
	Thanks for joining me on this limitless voyage into the light within.
	Surely now we must awaken, for if we don't awaken now, we may not get the chance of centralizing forces, consolidate their power, inculcate the population, and now arm police forces.
	This is Literally happening.
	I'm not making this up.
	This is not a conspiracy theory.
	It's simply the news.
	I wish it was a conspiracy theory because I live on this planet with you.
	If you don't subscribe to this channel yet, subscribe right now and turn on the notification bell because I'll tell you there's more than one evil robot in this story and the algorithm is not your buddy.
	The US military has been killing people with robots for decades now.
	So it's not all bad news, and the nation's local police now seem eager to get in on the action.
	Drone strikes abroad have become so commonplace that the mainstream news media barely bothers to cover them anymore.
	In fact, I don't even think of it like that, do you?
	I don't think of a drone strike as robots are killing human beings.
	I think of it as Well, it's good that they've got those drone strikes because they're killing all those terrorists.
	They're not like us!
	Look at how they dress!
	Look at that weird singing and dancing!
	So when they're killed by drones, you think of it as just the simple, rational dispatch of some loonies, rather than humans, like you, are being killed by robots.
	Hope they never do that here.
	Oh, they're passing laws to do that here.
	For years, the military has also been using bomb disposal robots, which are basically glorified radio-controlled cars with tank treads that can be used to safely dismantle explosives from a distance.
	It's a shame that the population is so agitated.
	If only we could sort of somehow defuse that by perhaps having a more equal and fairer society.
	We could do that.
	It'd be a bit costly.
	How about having robots everywhere that can nullify the threat of terror and, if necessary, kill them?
	No, your idea.
	We'll go with your idea.
	These robots have proliferated across local law enforcement in recent years as military technology so often does.
	Now notice that elsewhere in the world we are seeing new protest laws introduced that prevent people coming together to protest.
	It means that your internet access could be denied if you're alleged to, you know, suspected of being a protester.
	Now we're seeing the arming of the police force in military style.
	So when people say, hey, you don't think that what's going to happen is like various new reasons for lockdown, climate lockdown, disease lockdowns, then like the inability to protest becoming normalised, and then the arming of the police force.
	That'd be weird if all those things came together like they already are on the same planet under the same ideology, because that would mean you wouldn't be able to do anything.
	And the only way to oppose that is right now.
	And we're only going to be able to oppose that if we're willing to overcome our superficial, ridiculous differences and unify against increasingly terrifying centralised power.
	But we won't do that, will we?
	Because it's coming up to the January sales.
	Civil liberties groups have raised concerns that law enforcement could seek to use robots to kill people in greater numbers.
	Excuse me, I'm concerned that these robots could kill people in greater numbers.
	I disagree with the premise of that question.
	No, you make a good point.
	Apologies.
	Police officers in a major American city have been given the authority to use remote-controlled robots that are capable of using deadly force in emergency situations.
	Well, that's good.
	At least it's not that evil little tippy-tappy clip-clop dog one.
	San Francisco police are assuring the public that robots armed with explosives would only be used sparingly.
	We're not going to use them sparingly.
	What do you think we're going to use them willy-nilly in a laissez-faire manner for a laugh on the flip of a coin for a giggle when we felt like it?
	No.
	Sparingly.
	Okay, we need to use five robots to kill 20 civilians.
	Four robots for nineteen civilians.
	Oh, chief!
	Scooby-dooby-doo!
	Okay, you can have a go on old Clip Club.
	That robot scared itself!
	We have somebody who's shooting, killing people, a sniper, etc.
	If you have, like, a robot that's killing people because, I don't know, because of brutality and increasing authoritarianism, why should I go out there when I've got a tap dance show to work on?
	I'm gonna send out the best tap dancer of them all!
	Klip Klop!
	We're gonna do everything we can to stop the threat.
	Firstly, I'm gonna speak in this very arch way that in itself should diffuse a lot of problems, but if I don't work, I'm afraid we're gonna have to send in old Klip Klop.
	The city's board of supervisors voted overwhelmingly in favor of the idea Monday night.
	Ha ha!
	Weren't even close.
	Okay, we're thinking of sending robot dogs out into the streets to kill people.
	Oh yeah!
	For the last decade, the militarization of police has increasingly been a concern.
	Armed robots are part of that debate.
	You might be a supporter of the police and I've certainly met many members of the police force that I would consider good, decent people.
	The people that join the police force to serve the community, I applaud.
	Of course I do.
	Who wouldn't?
	What I would ask you to consider is you might one day find yourself on the wrong side of a conversation.
	A conversation that will be censored through increasing censorship laws.
	You will not be able to use your civil liberty to protest because those laws are being radically altered.
	And they're not even going to have to put a police officer at risk because old Klip Klop's coming to town to spray you into oblivion like an evil little Gene Kelly.
	Currently, there are more than 1,000 robots and unmanned vehicles in use by police departments, primarily by bomb squads.
	The policies in cities like San Francisco... San Francisco?
	What?
	The city of love and tolerance and inclusivity.
	Hey!
	San Francisco!
	Everyone can be who they want to be!
	Yeah, for example, I might not want to wear a mask.
	Clip clop!
	In a statement today, San Francisco police acknowledged that it does not have a specific plan in place on when to use armed robots.
	We don't need a specific plan.
	We got some ideas, some sketches.
	For example, I've drawn a clip-clop look.
	Just, he's having a nice time killing some homeless guys.
	You know, they stink and stuff.
	Think if you are gonna use armed robots, First thing to have in place is a very specific plan.
	We're only going to use this potentially terrifying armed robot under these conditions.
	Shouldn't be something drawn out on the back of a cigarette packet.
	We're going to use them indiscriminately.
	This is not art.
	This is robots killing people.
	It's an unprecedented step.
	In September, the Oakland Police Department was seeking permission from city officials to load lethal shotgun rounds into their bomb defusing robots.
	As well as defusing the bomb, could they fire off a few rounds as a warning to other potential people that might plant bombs?
	It's weird, isn't it?
	Because like the proverbial frog in boiling water, we're slowly being simmered to new levels of dystopia.
	Cool.
	Yeah, that's also cool.
	Everything you say is going to be subject to censorship in social media organizations that have been infiltrated by
	Cool.
	the FBI.
	Yeah, that's also cool. We're gonna shoot you in the streets with robot dogs.
	Cool.
	WHAAAA?
	Other departments seem likely to follow suit.
	Local cops now own thousands of Andros Mark VA1 bots.
	Local police have also increasingly used drones to monitor all sorts of activities,
	including peaceful protests.
	As I recall, during the coronavirus, various grants and awards and funding were given to authorities,
	but invested in drones and the militarization of the police force,
	which suggests that there's this sort of, at least a tangential connection between lockdowns and increasing state authority
	via the police.
	Now this is not a anti-police tirade.
	I believe that you do require some kind of community-oriented Guidance and regulation.
	But I think it should be strongly connected to the community, made up of people that live in that community, not, I would prefer this, ideally, given the choice, not old clip-clop, clip-clopping down the sidewalk, rat-a-tat-tatting off of rounds, based on a poem or a drawing, rather than a very specific plan.
	Whistleblower Daniel Hale is in prison for leaking information on US drone warfare, including that during one five-month stretch of an operation in Afghanistan, nearly 90% of the people killed were not the intended targets.
	How are the recent strikes going?
	Very well.
	We have killed thousands and thousands of people that are definitely Afghani people.
	Good, good work.
	Oh, were they the intended targets?
	Yes, in some cases, sir, they were the intended targets.
	When you say some cases, how many cases do you mean?
	Well, for every, say, 100 people we killed, up to 10 of those people could have been intended targets.
	So 90% were not intended targets?
	That is another way of looking at it, sir.
	Okay, well, let's not talk about that.
	Clip clop!
	We trusted you!
	No more robo-scooby-snacks for you!
	It's the only way he'll learn!
	The language governing police use of force policies tends to be extremely broad, including for the use of robots.
	While departments often claim that military technology will only be used in rare circumstances, the actual rules are often written to give cops leeway to do virtually whatever they want with the technology.
	And so, in conclusion, the bill is passed.
	You can do virtually whatever you want.
	So we could just shoot people indiscriminately?
	That's right.
	Virtually whatever you want.
	Can you think of something that I couldn't do?
	I actually can't think of anything.
	In San Francisco, the policy would allow the department to deploy armed robots during nearly any situation.
	Well, like a sort of a flower show or a Christmas carol concert.
	Hmm.
	I'm getting pretty tired of the way they're doing that five gold rings bit.
	Clip clap!
	Cops could use these weapons to kill people remotely so long as they claim to fear for their lives.
	We're not going to get any jittery cops about the place.
	They're going to be a bag of nerves from tending a clip-clop.
	Creates the jitters in the most stoic of people.
	In March, the Biden administration was criticized for encouraging local governments to use American Rescue Plan Act or ARPA funds, a 1.9 trillion pandemic relief aid We've got to relieve people of this terrible, legitimate medical emergency.
	Yeah, like we're going to need ventilators and hospital beds and nurses and to pay key workers good money.
	Yeah, all good ideas.
	But can I introduce you to my little clibbity clobbity pal here who can take care of matters in a more direct way.
	Clip clop!
	Jasmine, the organizing director for Community Movement Builder, said, The government at this point is honestly preparing for war and retaliation against the working class.
	They treat us as if they're an occupying force in our communities, she said.
	I think the technology that they're funding speaks for that.
	The state relies on the police to enforce capitalism, to protect property, and to essentially ensure that people are funneled into exploitative labor practices.
	So there you are.
	Do you think that this is a step in the right direction?
	You've had the wealth transfer, you've had the enforced lockdowns, you've had the foreclosure of civil liberties and protest laws, and now you're having the massive armoring of the police.
	Again, this is not a criticism of the many law enforcement personnel who are serving their community lovingly.
	I would say the best way to maintain the delicate balance between law enforcement and community relations is not For introducing killer robot dogs into the street to spray potential protesters with bullets in nearly any situation.
	But I don't know.
	I'm crazy like that.
	Let me know what you think in the comments.
	Let me know what you think in the chat.
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	What do you want from me, you know?
	Oh, will you not be satisfied till I get an actual spy in here, a whistleblower, a woman who's willing to reveal the deep state secrets that hold us all back, a woman who spends her time celebrating other whistleblowers like Daniel Howe tagged in that story for his revelations.
	Well, Gareth and everyone watching, in Annie Mashon, we are about to fulfill the pledge that I just Sarcastically made.
	Annie, thanks for joining us.
	My pleasure.
	Thank you for inviting me back.
	You look nice today.
	Your eyes look big, like that actress, uh... Sissy Spacek?
	No, not Sissy Spacek.
	Emma... No, not Susan Saritan.
	Emma Stone?
	Emma Stone, yeah!
	You've got big eyes!
	You'd be a good spy!
	I spy with my big spying eyes all of these state secrets.
	It has been handy.
	Thank you for coming on.
	Where are you right now?
	Don't give us your exact address because there are probably still people who want you dead.
	I'm in Brussels, which is where I'm based.
	I'm writing that down for my own files.
	Annie, thanks for joining us today.
	One of the things we were keen to talk to you about is these Apple and China.
	What's going on, please?
	I need to know.
	Apple doing secret deals with China, because if they are, our viewers demand to know.
	And how can you have sort of US-based tech giants having the economic relationships that they have with China when there's all these sanctions going on and when we're getting ourselves ready, I thought, for some sort of Armageddon showdown with China?
	Well, this is the interesting bit.
	I mean, Apple has been based in China for many, many years.
	I mean, most of its factories where there are, you know, Appalling conditions for the workers have been based in China for many, many years anyway.
	And they also cut a deal by investing in China in 2016 to the tune of $275 billion to get the goodwill of the Chinese government in order to carry on having these bases.
	But the current thing, of course, is that Apple has now cut a very shady deal to stop the use of its technology by the protesters against the Covid lockdown.
	So they are effectively using their corporate technology to stop citizens freely protesting about situations in their country that might make a difference to their lives going forward.
	So it's disgusting.
	It is disgusting because the mainstream media are using this opportunity to laud the protesters while, when there were protests in our countries, they condemned them out of hand and indeed used technology, in the instance of Canada, to impede the funding of comparable events.
	And actually though, while enjoying the fanfare of apparently supporting freedom, organisations with close ties to the US government, the UK government, are deliberately impeding the protesters' ability to communicate.
	Can you just tell me specifically how, because I don't fully understand it, because I'm probably not clever enough, I don't know.
	It's just stopping the free flow of information in more secure ways.
	The key point I would take from this, though, is the moral relativism with the West.
	Because if we go back to the Edward Snowden disclosures back in 2013, and his very first disclosure, which was an operation called PRISM, It turned out that all these big American tech corporations had backdoors built into them by this prison program developed by the NSA and GCHQ in the UK.
	And therefore they were spying on everyone.
	It became a global panopticon.
	And people seem to forget this, that the West does just as bad things.
	And they can apply that now to people who might be protesting in the West, who are now being reclassified as domestic extremists, or potentially as terrorists.
	So, you know, there is a moral equivalence there that people seem to be losing sight of when it comes to criticising China.
	The key question is, why are they going after China now at this point?
	And that's a really interesting question.
	Right, well, given that I've clearly not done enough research, I'll simply take your guidance on the next one.
	Annie, I've got something to ask you now that is going to surprise you and probably put you on the back foot a bit and make you realise that At last, you've been confronted with your intellectual equal.
	Why now, Annie?
	Why is this happening right now?
	And if you don't tell me, then I don't think you're a very good guest at all.
	No, I'm probably crap, and that's a very good question.
	No, I mean, my perspective would be that Russia, China, and to a certain extent, Iran, have been sort of palling up over the last couple of decades.
	China, particularly, has been very aggressive in building what's called the, I always want to call it the Belt and Braces Initiative, but it's the Belt and Road Initiative, otherwise known as the New Silk Roads, making trade deals all around the planet.
	And with the size of its economy, despite COVID, it is presenting a threat to particularly U.S., but also wider Western interests.
	So I think this is why, one, Russia's been in this sort of Western crosshairs for a long time, as well as its odious behavior vis-a-vis Ukraine.
	But China now is the next one.
	And they say China is going to evade Taiwan and China is going to do this.
	China is going to do that.
	Obama spent years building up the military bases around the Pacific Rim because of the Chinese threat.
	But actually it's an economic threat because China has been very effective at building up these new international connections international trade routes and access to Very rare earth minerals in countries that can provide those, which is needed for all our technology, particularly in the African continent.
	So I think this is why America, particularly, but also its Western vassals have been pushing back and saying China's a big threat, China's a big threat.
	It's so extraordinary to find out that there are covert and submerged narratives that, while they may remain to a large degree ulterior, are actually what dictate geopolitical action.
	These actions, for example, you know, as you said, Putin's odious actions in Ukraine are always cited as morally underwritten.
	But on some level that just doesn't make sense to us.
	We've seen how our governments have behaved historically and we know how they behave domestically.
	We already recognize the degree to which they have been corporatized.
	So when they present moral arguments as the basis for military action, it doesn't seem right.
	How is it, Annie, that information as significant as that which you've just relayed about these sort of new covert wars that are undergirded by access to resources, in this case mineral resources, how is it that this information is profflated?
	Well, it's not in the interests of big corporations, I would suggest, particularly the big western tech corporations.
	I mean, there are smaller corporations, particularly coming out of the EU, that are very keen to try and build green technology, you know, sustainable technology that does not exploit the peoples in Africa and can actually provide them with a decent living.
	So, for example, there's something called the Fair Cobalt Alliance.
	Cobalt is key to building all our technology based in the Congo.
	And this is trying to get children out of what is effectively slave labor to extract these minerals.
	In a fair way.
	And also to try and protect the environment by not, you know, strict mining and things like that.
	So there are initiatives to try and push back against some of these predatory corporations.
	But it's tough.
	It's trying to get the message out.
	Big media won't cover it.
	And I think, you know, any support you can give to organisations like that would be greatly received by them.
	Do you think that... OK, we'll try to... We'll do our best, won't we, Gareth?
	Coming back to what Annie was saying previously about China and the U.S., I just find it really interesting that at a time when you have U.S.
	government and Western leaders saying that they support these Chinese protesters, whilst we know from what Annie's just revealed that actually they're all about impeding Chinese economy, doing anything to stop the growth of the Chinese economy.
	And at the same time you have Apple, who purport to be a we're all about values for progressive values, when actually what we know is Apple are in the pockets of China and that their relations with China are so important that actually they'll do anything that the Chinese government want, i.e.
	turning off the airdrop feature to allow this process to continue.
	And to share this footage between them, i.e.
	to keep these protests going.
	You've got both sets.
	You've got Western leaders talking nonsense because it's actually the opposite.
	They're not supportive.
	And then you've got Apple purporting to be progressive and doing the absolute opposite of that as well.
	It's kind of amazing.
	They are at odds with each other.
	Sorry, can I just add a point there as well?
	If people want to pursue this subject, looking into green tech and environmental and sustainable governance, I think it's the official title.
	I prefer green tech.
	There is a track on a forum that I was very pleased to be involved in helping to organize, which took place a month ago, called the World Ethical Data Forum.
	And anyone can find it on worldethicaldata.org.
	And it's a fascinating track.
	It was an area that, even though I've been immersed in data ethics for 15 years at least, it was an area that I was unaware of.
	And when I started talking to people within this environment, it just blew me away.
	It's astonishing.
	And people should be much more aware of it.
	And also look at worldethicaldata.org.
	Thank you very much.
	We'll post that in the various chats now.
	So if you think about it, over the course of this conversation, what's been revealed to us is that there is a submerged agenda that is at odds with the mainstream narrative.
	I suppose the reason that the West can support the Chinese protesters through the media is it ultimately destabilises If it doesn't actually destabilise Chinese state power, at least it's a useful tool in presenting China in an unfavourable light.
	But I was struck for a moment, Gareth, actually, when you were talking, and I'd love to hear Annie's perspective on this, that we could find ourselves in a position where Apple and the US state are at odds with one another because of Apple's compliance with Chinese edicts and the appetite within the US to penalise and impede China.
	What's likely to happen there, Annie?
	I think that it's been shown over the last few years when, for example, the American House of Representatives and Congress and people like that have tried to call people like Zuckerberg or Tim Cook from Apple or whatever to give evidence to be held to account that even at government level, even within the USA, these companies are too big to control.
	Do you remember when there was the financial crash?
	It was that banks are too big to fail.
	These companies are too big to control.
	I think it's, I suppose, encouraging that Facebook, for example, turned itself into meta and tried to get everyone into their metaverse.
	I think it's encouraging that people are becoming more aware of the threats to their human rights and their privacy and their freedom of expression online, because they become more and more distrustful of these big tech corporations in the way that many people have become very distrustful of the old mainstream media.
	Because they know that can be controlled, too.
	And also that they look at Twitter, what's going on there at the moment with the Twitter files, the fact that they were being controlled, too, to a certain extent by elements within the US government.
	So there is this huge disconnect between people who wish to ingest information that is truthful and valid and can inform them and can help them build their communities and their societies and their democracies or protect thereby.
	And what is being actually fed to them by the old media, by the new media and by the tech giants?
	So the key question is, what can we do about it?
	I'm not going to ask that one, because I want to ask a little more about the over-condemnation of Elon Musk in much of the mainstream media, presumably perhaps because of the entrenching state interest within Twitter prior to his incumbency.
	But one of the things we've been pondering this week on our show, Annie, is that How much of a radical disruptor Elon Musk can really be when there are such strong economic ties between him elsewhere within his organization like through SpaceX and Tesla?
	And so I just want to put that before you.
	Is what's happening at Twitter truly radical or ultimately will this be framed within conventional corporate interests?
	I'm sure that there are various, shall we call them deep state?
	I mean, in Britain, I call it the establishment, planning to corral him.
	But he is such a wildcard, he might be very difficult to do that too.
	And also, he has stated frequently that he is a free speech fundamentalist.
	So of course, he's now being excoriated as someone who is just going to allow, you know, all these conspiracy theorists and extremists to have free speech.
	Well, actually, it allows everyone to have free speech.
	And so long as you're not inciting hate or inciting violence or threatening death, then free speech should be a sacrosanct, it's a basic human right, it should be sacrosanct.
	I think the analogy I would see, and I'm by no means in any way a supporter of Donald Trump, But you know, when he was elected way back in 2015, and he was sworn in 2016, and one of his statements was he wanted to drain the swamp.
	And what I found fascinating at that point was how the intelligence agencies, the secret state within America, and I wasn't the only one, I was talking to a lot of American former intelligence people at that time, sort of corralled the wagons around him in order to stop him being effective in trying to do that.
	The most obvious example was accusing him of the whole Russiagate thing, being in collusion with the Russians, which is all based on a pack of lies coming out of a former MI6 officer, Christopher Steele.
	So watching this process of how the powers that be can corral and can control people who do want to break the paradigm is one Slightly exhilarating.
	Two, very depressing when you see that it works.
	And three, yeah, people don't want to know.
	So this is the key thing about any activism, any campaigning, and I've been doing this for years, is not only about getting the information shared, but getting the people to care about why these fundamental issues are so important.
	Annie, thank you so much.
	It's so illuminating to spend time with you.
	Annie is the author of the book, The Privacy Mission, Achieving Ethical Data for Our Lives Online.
	In this brief conversation, we learned a great deal about submerged narratives, potential conflict of interest between global corporations and the American state.
	You also would have had the opportunity to learn words like panoptical, odious and excoriated.
	An interesting conversation with a fantastic spy who is no doubt to some degree employed because of her giant spying eyes.
	Annie Masham, thank you so much for joining us.
	I do hope that you'll come here again in person soon.
	Thank you so much for sharing this data with us and thank you for your dedication and devotion to what you do professionally.
	It's a wonderful service you're doing, humanity.
	Thank you.
	Well, thank you.
	A pleasure.
	We'll speak to you again soon, Annie.
	Take care.
	This is all that we have time for on Stay Free, even though we actually could continue broadcasting as long as we wanted to, but we also are subject to some laws ourselves, like employment laws.
	You can't just make people work all day and all night, can you?
	No.
	There has to be shifts.
	Different people would have to come in, the night workers.
	Or it would have to be for charity or something, like the telethon.
	Oh yeah, Telefon.
	This is a Telefon.
	This is a Telefon mostly for me.
	I can't cope with reality anymore.
	So I'm staying on television just all the time.
	Which is basically what I've been trying to do since I was a little lad.
	How long do you think you could do it?
	I reckon I could do quite a lot.
	You know, in England there's a comedian called Mark Watson.
	He's Welsh actually, I think.
	And he does 24 hour shows and 48 hour shows.
	Mate, I'd do that.
	Every day's a show for old Russ.
	I never stop, mate.
	It's all a show.
	The whole thing.
	I can vouch for that.
	You ain't laughing no more!
	So on the show tomorrow we've got MIA or Maya.
	She's on giving us all sorts of extraordinary insights into what Annie would call the establishment and what you over there in America would call the deep state.
	What it's like from on the inside of the celebrity machine and what I'll call sort of deep Like, shamanic revelations that she's sort of had and some of her new work that she plays too.
	She's pretty fantastic.
	And next week, we've got Tim Robbins coming on the show.
	You can watch that first and in full on Stay Free AF.
	That's our membership community.
	And I tend to watch the comments on that, you know, because these lot are bright little sweethearts.
	And sometimes you lot in Rumble, you get a bit heavy over there.
	I mean, I love absolutely every one of you.
	Smash Rumble right now.
	Remember, you can watch all of this content in full.
	First, and for free, on Rumble.
	And if you are a member of the Stay Free AF community, you can stay with us for an additional 15 minutes of conversation.
	It's going to be good, isn't it?
	I've got a lot to say.
	Me too.
	Have you?
	I've got a lot to say.
	I don't want to make it into a competition, but I think I've actually got more to say because of the amount of research I've done.
	Thanks for joining us, Annie Mashon.
	And we'll see you over on Stay Free AF, which is essentially on Locals, if you want to join us there.
	If not, see you tomorrow with our guest Maya and next week with Tim Robbins.
	Stay free till then.

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