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SEASON FINALE! We’ve Been Lied To About Our History - #040 - Stay Free with Russell Brand

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	I'm going to go ahead and get the camera.
	In this video, you're going to see the future.
	Hello there you Awakening Wonders.
	Thanks for joining us for the live stream version of Stay Free with Russell Brand.
	It's our end of season finale.
	What better time to give thanks?
	It is Thanksgiving.
	Every Thanksgiving a turkey is pardoned.
	We're going to be looking at Joe Biden's turkey pardoning ceremony and asking What is the origin of this ceremony?
	I mean, I know about, you know, the actual origins, but why is it going on in this manner?
	And why would Joe Biden feel the necessity to sniff upon that bird?
	Why would anybody want to do a thing like that?
	When I see him, I don't... I don't want to sniff him.
	That's not the way that I react in those situations.
	We're going to be talking about yay, we're going to be talking about the Emergent global world order, which I know that you guys are pretty keen to avoid, ain't ya?
	Particularly now the categories of left and right are melting away and there's a need for a new vitality and a new spirituality and a new priapic awakening.
	Look up the word priapic if you don't know what it means.
	And we are going to provide you with...
	Literally all of that in the next few seconds.
	Is this the equivalent of like a radio DJ just going like that?
	It is, isn't it?
	Yeah.
	It's simply my version of that.
	And even more exciting than anything I've just said now, even though I've took you to the precipice of the borders of your reality, i.e.
	are you an individual?
	Are you an object?
	Or are you an event taking place in an apparently real spatial and temporal zone that could evaporate at any moment with your personal transcendence?
	Guess who's coming on?
	It's Graham Hancock, the Pyramid Man.
	A man who's taken a glance at history, found it wanting, and revealed to us deep truths that shake the establishment to its very core.
	They don't like it, do they?
	Of course they don't like it.
	No one wants to be shaken to their very core.
	No one wants their treasured knowledge poked around in, snooped about in.
	I've known Graham Hancock for quite a while now.
	Oh yeah?
	Yep, longer than you have.
	I know about Graham Hancock for he's on Netflix.
	I used to listen to him on cassette tapes.
	I know about Graham Hancock when it was cool to know about Graham Hancock.
	I've actually been on what I'm gonna call a special camping holiday with him.
	Oh yeah?
	Me and some other people found ourselves in some tents I believe in Utah.
	You know like the Utah Saints?
	Yep.
	Uttar.
	I was in Uttar, and there was Graham Hancock there as well.
	And I don't know, and I don't want to make any cast dispersions, but it feels like people were doing psychedelics.
	I wasn't, because as you know, I am drug and alcohol free for nearly two decades now, if I get to December the 13th.
	Anyway, we're going to talk to Graham Hancock.
	I'm in particular, this is what I want to know about Graham Hancock.
	What is it in particular that we have to address if we were to discover that our received understanding of human history were erroneous?
	If we have to accept that perhaps there were an Atlantis, perhaps Plato was correct when he speculated about some hidden city underneath, I mean, this is a weird coincidence, the Atlantic.
	So it's good they called it Atlantis, I think.
	And also, because I was thinking about Plato the other day, I'm always thinking about him.
	Oh, it never stops.
	His cave analogy, that we're looking at shadows on a wall.
	And some people dismiss platonic philosophy as like, you know, classical philosophy in general is a bit sort of, I don't know, old hat, old crap.
	But I feel like, actually, as we learn more about the limitations of the century world, that we are living in a holographic reality.
	And I know that Graham Hancock will be keen to... I'm glad you've made your main point today.
	What?
	The old holographic reality.
	Yeah, the old holographic reality.
	We should have made that the title.
	We're living in a holographic reality.
	The only thing you know for sure, of course, as you are aware, is your subjective experience.
	Perhaps we can create and imagine new realms.
	Do not be boxed in by those that seek to inhibit and control you.
	Do you think that by the end of this I'll say the phrase goblekiteki correctly?
	Goblekiteki.
	If you talk to Graham Hancock, you better learn how to say goblekiteki properly at some point.
	I'm not sure I've cracked it just yet.
	There's Plato, look, down a cave.
	Plato goes, look, what it's like is, imagine the reality if there were some people chained to a wall down a cave looking at shadows on a wall.
	They would think that that was all reality.
	But in effect, there are people that can see the flames.
	And even beyond that, there are people transcendent.
	Receiving an entirely different reality.
	Now, any allegory is obviously limited by the image system within which it operates.
	But as we learned yesterday, if you joined us in that green needle experiment, reality takes place in the kind of symbiosis between the apparently external sensory realm and the internal realm of the recipient.
	It can be altered.
	We can change reality.
	We can imagine new worlds.
	That's why they want to box you in.
	That's why we're living on a prison planet right now, baby.
	It's like being in a sea cat prison.
	Imagine this, if you're in category A prison, You only get an hour yard time if you're lucky.
	23 hours you're in your cell.
	B cat prison.
	Bit of time on the landing.
	Bit of ping-pong.
	I've not been to prison.
	If you're in a C cat prison, you're out and about.
	Maybe you're allowed downtown.
	Do a little bit of help out in a charity shop.
	But then what does the rest of us in?
	We're in a prison.
	The prison in the mind man!
	And that's what we've got to break out of.
	We don't even play ping pong.
	We're not allowed because of the damn prison!
	We're not allowed access to the bats and we're simply too busy making high quality programming.
	Let's have a look now at Joe Biden using an outmoded ritual in order to seem amenable.
	It's customary, isn't it, in America to release a turkey every Thanksgiving.
	What's that meant to signify, do you suppose?
	They pardon it, don't they?
	Apparently it came by accident.
	I think JFK did it, and then they all kind of continued after that.
	I believe that it was Reagan that was the first one.
	JFK did the first turkey one.
	Let us know in the chat if we're right.
	Let us know in the comments in the chat.
	And if you're a member of the Stay Free AF community, get onto that little chat board.
	Tell us, how did this tradition begin?
	I reckon it began with Kennedy, but Reagan was the first person to talk about pardoning a bird, and it was something to do with the Iran contra stuff.
	That is it.
	I'm an investigative journalist.
	Of course, I forgot.
	People see me, they see the haircut, they see the charisma, they see the rather fancy jacket and they think this guy's not an investigative journalist such as we've previously understood him, but they've done me wrong baby, they've done me wrong.
	So that's Biden sniffing that bird.
	He's always on the brink of sniffing something, isn't he?
	Loves a sniff.
	It runs in the family, because I believe the lad hunter is up for using the old nose.
	And if he gets a chance, God bless him.
	We've got a compilation of Byron's sniffs, if you'd like to see them.
	Bird is just the latest in a long line of creatures that have provided molecules for the Biden snout hole.
	Let's have a look at some other things Biden has sniffed and see what he's getting at and then I'll talk to you about sniffing in general and what does it mean.
	It's animalistic, baby.
	Let's have a look.
	Are we allowed to use that music?
	Oh, he's slipping away.
	That one was recalling, wasn't it?
	Yeah.
	Some of them noticeably do.
	Once you're a parent, you deal with other people's children very differently.
	You're like, alright, I expect nothing from a child now.
	Sure.
	You used to be all over them, haven't you?
	Oh, God.
	I loved the child.
	Before I had children, I'm like, oh no!
	I really tried to engage with them.
	Now, I'm done.
	People would say it.
	I remember seeing you with kids.
	They'd say, oh, he's brilliant, isn't he?
	With those kids.
	Yeah, but not now.
	Now, I'm done on children.
	I can barely be bothered to speak to the ones I'm genetically responsible for.
	And what you know is, is that if you say, oh, this is our children.
	This is Bob and Carol.
	They're not going to be called things like that anymore.
	No, they are.
	They show you the child.
	And I just go, all right.
	I don't bother.
	Hello!
	And what I certainly don't do is lean in and sniff the nape of its neck as if looking for some beautiful musk.
	Now, apparently, humans can make use of body odour subconsciously to identify whether a potential mate will pass on favourable traits to their offspring.
	That's what they could be doing.
	Not that we're saying that.
	Biden's not doing that.
	He's not regarding these children or these turkeys as potential mates.
	Well, the turkey we don't know.
	I'm just saying we don't know.
	We can never know, that's the nature of reality.
	Listen to this.
	For decades, scientists believed that humans were not very good at detecting and identifying odours, but a 2014 study shows that humans can distinguish at least a trillion odours, and in some cases, have more sensitive smells than animals.
	Have you got smells that repulse you?
	Let me know in the chat.
	Are there smells that really get your gander up, really get you going?
	And are there smells that repulse you?
	And what about our little friends in the animal kingdom?
	They can't stop sniffing away, can they?
	No.
	For them it's very pheromonal, it's very sort of sexual.
	Women were asked to rate odour pleasantness considered a correlate of sexiness and odour intensity.
	Odour desirability was tested with the question, based on the smell, how much would you like this man as a long-term partner?
	What about that sweet... I call it the sweet spot of stink.
	Where smells are both alluring and simultaneously disgusting.
	I think what you're talking about there is your own smells.
	I know that for a fact.
	Is it so simple as that, Gareth?
	Bird! No Hugh, get out of it!
	No!
	I think what you're talking about there is your own smells.
	Is it Gareth?
	I know that for a fact.
	Is it so simple as that Gareth?
	I've seen you post-Trompton shall we say.
	Well listen, I believe I'm a complex man.
	Anyway, you could, if you like, make the mistake of thinking we're being frivolous about sniffy old Joe, but the points that we want to make are quite important ones.
	During the time of this man's cognitive decline and evident deterioration, sniffing his way through reality, he's recently signed a 40 billion aid package for Ukraine, including 20 billion in military assistance.
	That's just one of the things, my research.
	You know I love research.
	I know.
	That's just one of the things my research threw up.
	Also, recently, in spite of saying during the campaign that they were going to limit the amount of arms deals made with regimes abroad, particularly regimes regarded as dodgy, that's the official term they use, under Biden's administration, generally speaking, these deals have increased.
	Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Raytheon and General Dynamics have been involved in 58% of all the major offers made since the administration took office.
	So on one hand, He's lovely old Joe, pardoning a turkey, sniffing it on the way out the door.
	But on the other hand, is Biden the arms dealer?
	We're going to get further into that story.
	If you're with us on YouTube right now, join us over on Rumble.
	We've got Graham Hancock coming any minute now.
	Goblekiteki!
	Goblekiteki!
	For those of you staying, see you later YouTube, join us on Rumble.
	For those of you still with us on Rumble, let's have a look at a bit more of Biden, just sniffing his way through life.
	The Bidens.
	Sniffing their way through life.
	And by the way, Hunter Biden, fellow addict, you're my brother in recovery.
	I pray for you and I want Hunter Biden clean and happy.
	We're only making jokes because they are in positions of enormous power and potentially doing some deals that seem dubious.
	Although the mainstream media are now reporting on those deals.
	They certainly are.
	Two years later and the laptop store is a go now.
	So that's the difference.
	We now can measure it.
	You can use this.
	If you like to follow the science, you can say the distance and difference between a conspiracy theory and a mainstream media news story is two years.
	Two years it went from, you can't mention that on Twitter, to we can mention it on CNN.
	But let's have a look at a bit more of Sniffy Old Joe.
	The combination of shoulder touch and sniff.
	It is.
	I wouldn't do that to my own wife.
	I'd say, are you alright with this?
	I'd ask.
	Yeah.
	It's too much.
	That person's actually had to emotionally shut down to deal with the sniffing.
	There's a head movement, isn't there, from her.
	Yeah, she's turning into an Edvard Munch painting of the scream rather than deal with the actual reality she's being confronted with.
	Now, of course, remember, we are a non-partisan, trans-denominational movement.
	We don't care about whether you're a Democrat or a Republican.
	We don't care if you love Trump, hate Trump, voted Brexit, voted against Brexit.
	I couldn't care less.
	None of these systems are going to work.
	That's the big illusion.
	That's what we have to awaken.
	From is the idea that any of the figures that occupy this system are going to provide meaningful solutions for you in your life.
	That's one of the things we're going to be talking to Graham Hancock about a little later, and the significance of alternative and potentially suppressed human narratives.
	But for now, let's look at a ghostly pal girl getting sniffed at by president.
	Oh god.
	Right, is it like look you guys made this compilation I'm not involved in the edits.
	Oh, what?
	I'm a busy man.
	Just the research.
	I do the research.
	I do that for myself.
	Got to make sure that we're front loaded.
	But at the back of the show, I'm just like, you guys, this is where you get a shine.
	You handle it.
	So did you deliberately compile this to make sure that there's a particular Democrat?
	Why is he not sniffing no geezers?
	I don't know.
	Young Putin put it together, actually.
	Yeah, there wasn't.
	To be fair, this is actually the other stuff I actually felt bad for putting in.
	You wouldn't use?
	I wouldn't use it.
	Even by your own low standards?
	What did you not include in this package?
	There's a lot of tugging and pulling by the arm.
	Tugging?
	Like to come over here.
	Tugging him in for the sniff?
	Yeah.
	We're just here for the sniff.
	It's too far, don't you think?
	Yeah, it's too far.
	Well done, young Putin.
	Now, we don't include young Putin on camera for two reasons.
	One, the war between Russia and Ukraine, which is a one-sided war that has only one reason behind it.
	Putin!
	He done it.
	NATO infringement, expansionism, election meddling, arms deals.
	Put all that to one convenient side in case you might have to think for a few seconds.
	The other reason we don't show him, we simply don't have enough cameras at the moment.
	So, young Putin, he sits over there in what I like to call The disgraceful corner of Chimera.
	Is that what it's called?
	No, Crimea.
	Crimea.
	Because a chimera is a beast made of multiple beasts, whereas Crimea is a territory that if Ukraine do take it
	back, we're all going to die.
	LAUGHTER That one knows it's coming!
	That one's like, uh-oh, I've said he's done, my mate.
	Now he's coming right in for it.
	She's resigned to it though, isn't she?
	She's resigned. That's when someone's spirit's been broke.
	They can't even fight against the sniff.
	LAUGHTER Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
	Actually, he's bunched them all up there for a big sort of sniffing bonanza, hasn't he?
	Like a salad bar for sniffing.
	Like when you heap too much stuff on a... Sorry about that.
	I'm so sorry.
	Like he's built up a big salad bar of sniffery.
	It's a kaleidoscope of smells.
	Like, get them all there and sniff them all right up together.
	I don't know how he's going to discern the different sniffs of each of them.
	Oh, he will.
	Oh yeah, of course he will.
	but now he's an expert.
	What's he doing now?
	Now that's madness.
	Now, now that's madness.
	Because you're blocking the sinuses!
	That's the child's back!
	The child's back!
	I've got children.
	The last thing you want to do is sniff them on the back.
	That's too near the ass.
	That's where all their farts are coming from.
	Disgusting little creatures.
	Also though, even just if you take this from the simple perspective of a sommelier.
	Sure.
	Yeah, that's a wine expert.
	You don't pretend you know.
	A sommelier.
	I've seen them in films.
	They've got a grapes badge on them down there.
	If you go to a nice restaurant, I don't know if you have the privilege of going to a nice restaurant, perhaps the cost of living crisis has annihilated you into a state of penury and that was part of the plan.
	You will own nothing and you will be happy.
	You remember when Klaus Schwab told you that?
	Well, if you own nothing and you're not happy, good news is you're halfway there.
	Now, at Sommelier, if someone works down the old restaurant, they wear a grapes badge and they do sniffing.
	The mistake Biden's making there, and I can tell you, on day one of Sommelier school, they're going to say, when you're sniffing at the old grape, don't crush your nose into the baby's back.
	I mean, they won't be dealing with a baby.
	Obviously, it's a glass of wine in that instance.
	But don't crush your nose shut.
	You've crushed it shut.
	You can't even get the molecules up your snout hole.
	It's lesson one, isn't it?
	Lesson one at Sommelier school.
	Biden, if you're going to sniff, sniff proper.
	There you go, so we've learned something there.
	Just want to make clear, those weren't Abaddon's actual snare sounds.
	No, we added that for humorous effect.
	We are ultimately a comedy show revealing that beneath apparent reality there is a mischievous force beckoning you forward into new realms.
	You might experience it if you've taken DMT.
	There's another question I'm going to be asking...
	Graham Hancock about?
	Lots of questions for Graham in the chat.
	People saying that he's awesome, that they love him and all that kind of stuff.
	So that's good, isn't it?
	He's coming into a very loving environment, such as he deserves to.
	Gareth, have you got any more points to make about Biden?
	We've got plenty.
	So we could talk about shrinkflation and turkeys, because obviously this is a point, like, that Biden's having some fun with these turkeys.
	Chocolate and chip, I think he's called them.
	I hate things like that, don't you?
	A strange joke that he makes about nine and a half Million turkeys.
	Can we see that?
	Because, yeah, when he's pardoning the turkey... Now, the pardoning of the turkey amounts to a secular ritual.
	The sacrifice of the bird, of course, is supposed to mean a kind of coming together of the pilgrims, isn't it, and the Native American folk that was there before the colonising forces arrived.
	But now, this secularised version of the ritual is supposed to mean what?
	Compassion, awareness, I suppose as well it demonstrates presidential power and authority, something that would definitely be dying otherwise is going to be given a chance at survival.
	But because we've lost religious traditions and because we've lost all ideals except for our radical fundamentalist consumerism and commodification of all things, it's not that there is no belief, it's that there is one concealed belief, these rituals always seem a bit odd.
	But let's see how Joe Biden, a man who's always good off the cuff, certainly if he's wiping spilled soup off his chin, Let's see how he copes with this little situation.
	Go on Putin.
	How many turkeys you got down there?
	The thing that troubles me is knowing that there's a war on, that there are new tensions between the United States and China, that potentially there could be nuclear Armageddon, there's a cost of living crisis, not to mention a culture war, and we're watching the President right now going, how many turkeys have you got down there on the old turkey farm?
	Yeah.
	It concerns me.
	This is a moment where you turn to your leader to hopefully kind of lead you well through these crises, through these wars, and it does seem a little odd that the time where he's I'm gonna spend, in front of people and on camera, he's talking about chocolate chip turkeys.
	I'm trying to think of the people we would need to save us right now.
	I'm gonna put Churchill.
	I know some of you think, oh, he's a racist or whatever.
	I'm gonna say Gandhi.
	Gandhi.
	I mean, I'm gonna say, who else?
	Like, sort of, some of them saintly folks, like Saint Bernadette and Saint Teresa and, like, Julian of Norwich.
	You need people that understand the sacred, because the material world and our current systems are faltering and failing.
	We need a new kind of spiritual genius, but everything is being desacralized.
	Everything is being banalized.
	Everything is being turned into a kind of meaningless morass, so that the one imperative to commodify and consume can be relentlessly pursued.
	Remember when we were obsessed with Islamism and Islamic terrorism?
	We talked about fundamentalism, but their fundamentalism is no different from the fundamentalism under which you already live.
	Fundamentalist materialism.
	If it can't be measured, if it can't be bought and sold, it doesn't have any meaning.
	We can test that theory.
	Let me know in the chat and let me know in the comments if you think I'm spot-on and wearing a sexy jacket or if you think I'm way off track and a crackpot.
	Let's see what old Uncle Joe has to say about this turkey and I think he gets into some weird semi-genocidal borderline racist discourse here.
	That's not a great joke.
	God love you.
	Nine and a half million turkeys.
	I tell you what, that's like some of the countries I've been to.
	Hmm.
	Now, what's he trying to do?
	What's he trying to do with that joke?
	I think he's heard that, nine and a half million, and he's thinking, it reminds me of what?
	And then he's thinking, oh no, I can't say anything that's mental and racist.
	Yeah.
	Where's he going with it?
	I mean, does he mean Turkey as in... The country of Turkey?
	I think what he was trying to say is like look wouldn't you be able to if it was 50 years ago say like oh nine and a half million then you'd think of a country or a state that had a population of about that size and then you'd make a sort of a light playful joke about that.
	So it's a pejorative It's a pejorative condemnatory.
	Now, remember when Trump said, shit, old countries.
	Remember that?
	That was not Donald Trump's greatest moment.
	I know a lot of you love Donald Trump, a lot of you don't you?
	And as I've always made clear, I don't think that solutions can be achieved within this system, even by a great orator such as Trump.
	But he's on the border there of, I think, making a pejorative remark.
	Yeah.
	As a vegan, the thing I dislike most about turkeys is the sort of snout sack.
	What's a shame is that Joe Biden and the turkey don't get involved in a sort of a mutual sniff-off where they could sniff each other at the beak area and then I'd like to see that little flailing skinlet go up his bugle.
	That would bring me some cheer.
	Anyway.
	Yes, anyway indeed.
	So there you go, that's what's happening right there.
	Do you want to know a fact about cost of living crisis in Turkey?
	Yeah, I do.
	Do you want one?
	Let me know, I want one.
	Yeah, well, Thanksgiving dinners are going to go up 13.5% this year because of the cost of living crisis.
	And due to a lot of what we know is now shrinkflation.
	I don't like the sound of that, it's where they make things littler.
	Yeah, it's where you pay the same for a lot less.
	Pay more for less!
	In a minute we're going to be joined by the great Graham Hancock.
	What was that tweet about, while you're pardoning turkeys, why not pardon Julian Assange and Edward Snowden?
	Oh, there we go, Snowden.
	Tune in as I pardon National Fakery in Turkey.
	Julian Assange is a prisoner of conscience.
	Yeah, nice Edward Snowden!
	Fair point.
	If you're going to pardon anything... Pardon Assange!
	Yeah, or Daniel Hale, who's been locked up for telling truths about drone strikes, killing 90% of the people that they are innocent people.
	The problem is, one of the problems I believe is that, and let me know what you think about this guys in the chat.
	Is that ritual and ceremony are supposed to be ways of physicalising and accessing that which is hard to instantiate materially, i.e.
	a ceremony is an allusion to the sacred, to that which is spiritual, i.e.
	not material.
	But when ceremony and ritual becoming themselves meaningless, then everything is what is called phatic, performative, empty, hollow, a satz.
	We live in a, we're discussing, is it a nihilistic space or is there a deep concealed ideology, a deep concealed telos that is being pursued and my concern is that maybe there is a concealed telos.
	Well you've got to situate the reason I mentioned the shrinkflation.
	Yeah, Robert Wright wrote about it.
	Why are the Democrats so reluctant to blame inflation on one of its major causes?
	Corporations raising their prices faster than their costs in order to fatten their profit margins.
	Corporate profits are at a 70-year high, yet corporations are raising their prices.
	They're not raising their prices because of increasing costs, they're using the cover of inflation to increase their profits.
	Corporate funders of the Democrats have made it clear they don't want the White House or the party to blame this inflation on them.
	Isn't that exquisite?
	Because the point we'll make is that as energy costs have soared, energy companies have made record profits.
	And now we have just explained via the conduit of Gareth Roy just there, that similarly the cost of living crisis has afforded people in institutions in positions of power to garner new profits and also mask that profiteering with a convenient narrative.
	Yeah and rather than sit there and or stand there and make a Or even perch!
	A bad joke about chocolate and chip and however many million turkeys.
	You don't like the joke about chocolate and chip?
	The Democrats could be actually, you know... Doing something about it?
	Exactly.
	They're not going to do anything about it, but do you think the Republicans would be any better?
	Let us know in a snap poll, for God's sake!
	Also, right, before we get Graham Hancock, I just want to have a look at this.
	Now, yesterday we showed you a little bit of Macron, Emmanuel Macron.
	President of France at the APEC summit talking about a unipolar world.
	Explicitly announcing that they want just one global power, not a bipolar world.
	Let's have a look at him saying that again and watch out because we're going to reveal something to you that's going to make your bones bend and your blood boil.
	Have a look.
	Are you on the US and the Chinese side?
	Because now, progressively, a lot of people would like to see there are two orders in this world.
	This is a huge mistake.
	Even for both the US and China, we need a single global order.
	Oh, it's a conspiracy theory to say that people want a One World Globe Order.
	What's wrong with you?
	Just because people are explicitly saying it and talking about digital ID and digital passports and One World Orders and global resets, you're a nutcase for believing in it.
	Anyway, the Apex Summit, you probably don't even know what that is, and I'm sure it's nothing nefarious.
	And if it were, you'd probably be able to tell from their logo.
	But actually, their logo, when you have a look at it, is a pretty cuddly, nice, straightforward... Wait a minute!
	What's the problem there?
	I've seen that guy somewhere before!
	Don't you?
	I feel like I saw you, this little guy, rearing his head in the 1930s.
	Many of you right now in the chat will be telling us, of course, that it's a Hindu sign in its origin, but it also, as well as all of us appreciating it as a Hindu sign there, a Vedic symbol of good luck and good fortune, I feel like a plucky little fella, name of Adolf Hitler, made use of that symbol a little while back in his own attempt to create a unipolar world.
	Lost a mistake.
	It's a really bad one.
	Who in graphic design didn't go, I get angry sometimes about the errors we make over here at Stay Free Media.
	But if you would say, here's the new logo, Russ.
	I think you're going to like it.
	It's just sort of, you know, I wanted to get... It's retro!
	We're always in motion.
	Yeah, I don't know if I like that because I think it might be offensive to millions and millions of people who mercilessly and needlessly lost their lives for various power trips and because of a genocide.
	Okay, listen, let me know what you think about that, Swastika, and whether or not... I sometimes think that the unconscious is grassing them up.
	That stuff that they're unable to articulate because of their own sort of submerged agenda finds its way filtering through, percolating truth from the deep unconscious ulterior realm that we all have access to.
	And one man who's got more access to it than most is Graham Hancock.
	Hero, Egyptologist, man who set his camera at an interesting angle.
	Graham, thank you for joining us.
	I'm so happy to see your face again.
	Hello Russell, good to be with you.
	It's so kind of you to come.
	We're going to dedicate the rest of the show to you and your ego.
	Firstly, congratulations on your new eight-part docuseries, Ancient Apocalypse, on Netflix.
	It's a fantastic success.
	I've not seen it yet because the crown's on and I had to get through the heritage porn.
	But the next thing is Ancient Apocalypse, because I've been a fan of yours since I was 16 years old.
	Are you happy with how the show is being received?
	And does this, to you, Is this a kind of a watershed where you're entering into the mainstream and does it seem a triumph after years of being denounced, decried and slandered?
	I don't think I'm entering into the mainstream.
	I don't think it's a triumph.
	I tried to make a good show within the limitations of what's possible with television.
	I'm pleased that a lot of people seem to like it.
	And I'm unsurprised that a lot of archaeologists don't like it.
	Why do you sound all jaded for?
	Why do you sound all jaded?
	You've had a lovely show on Netflix.
	It's number two here in the UK, if you care about charts.
	And it's a brilliant show.
	I saw you, of course, on Rogan with Randall Carlson talking about it.
	I love watching you debate.
	I really enjoy your work.
	I enjoy the way that you invite imagination into the room, the way that you use your spirituality, the way that you don't codify archaeology to the point where it only becomes accessible To elites, I think you do such fantastic work.
	But it sounds to me that you seem a little disheartened.
	Is it simply that you need a cuddle, or is there something more nefarious at play?
	Everybody needs a cuddle.
	Everybody needs a cuddle.
	I suppose the disheartening thing is the reaction of archaeologists to this whole story.
	See, from my point of view, Let's call it mainstream archaeology like mainstream media.
	Mainstream archaeology is the story that it tells us, the narrative that it presents about the human past, is the dominant narrative in our society today.
	We almost take it in with our mother's milk.
	Everything that we're taught in school is based upon it.
	Everything that we're taught in university is based upon it.
	All I'm trying to do really is to provide some counterbalance to that dominant narrative.
	And so there are a lot of complaints that I don't include a lot of archaeologists criticizing my story in the series.
	But I think that's unnecessary because they are the dominant narrative.
	And this is just a small attempt to provide an alternative narrative, to say there are some anomalies in prehistory which are not explained by the mainstream.
	Which don't fit into the picture they paint.
	And to say what I think those suggest to me.
	I do detest being called a pseudo-scientist and a pseudo-archaeologist because I'm not an archaeologist or a scientist.
	And I make that very clear in the series.
	I'm just a reporter.
	I'm reporting from my point of view.
	I'm giving my case.
	And I hope that that will provide a bit of an antidote to the dominant case that's presented by archaeology.
	And if I may add, I'm trying to do it sensibly.
	there's a lot of really quite lunatic approaches to the human past.
	And I think they've been a disservice because they play into the...
	you know, the human past.
	you you
	you imagine on on contemporary civilization on contemporary
	education and on the contemporary imagination by foreclosing on the possibility
	of advanced civilizations
	And I'll add to this, because often I'm a fan of your content and I watch it a lot, and when you talk about gobleki-teki, and I'm not saying it right, or like many other significant monolithic sites, like They're not as good as, I don't know, the Shard or the Empire State Building.
	They are just made out of rocks.
	So there's a few questions.
	One, what changes about our presumptions around civilisation, progressivism and our presumed telos that humankind now is the best that it's ever been?
	What changes if we consider submerged narratives?
	And also, what is it in particular that is so impressive about some of the monolithic structures that you celebrate?
	Well, first of all, because of the way history is taught, because of the narrative of history that the mainstream push in every direction and that we take in with our education system, we are really taught that we are the apex and the pinnacle of the human story.
	That it's all been about us.
	That there were cavemen, and then there were hunter-gatherers, and then there were the civilizations.
	And it's all been a steady straight line evolutionary so-called progress up to us today.
	And I think that makes us feel very self-satisfied, very contented and unnecessarily secure about the future of our own civilization.
	What I hope raising questions about the possibility of a lost civilization will do is first of all Encourage people to be curious about the past, not just to accept what the so-called experts tell them.
	And secondly, to realize that maybe we're not the apex and the pinnacle of the human story.
	Maybe there's been many rises and falls.
	As to what's so special about these big megalithic monuments, what's special about them is when you get down to the detail, when you find Very precise astronomical alignments involved in the monuments, when you find a really detailed, long-term study of the sky embedded in the monuments.
	These are not simply big stones.
	They're stones that tell a story, and they tell a story of the people behind them, who were people who paid attention to the cosmos and focused on it very, very closely.
	So, for example, we're taught that the phenomenon called the precession of the equinoxes was discovered by the Greeks about 2,000 200 years ago or so.
	Yet another massive achievement of the past attributed to the Greeks.
	But there's a huge amount of evidence, and I won't bore your listeners with going into too much detail here.
	There's a huge amount of evidence that the procession of the equinoxes was noticed, documented, and thoroughly analyzed way back in the last Ice Age.
	Right back to Gobekli Tepe, as a matter of fact, and Pillar 43 in Enclosure D at Gobekli Tepe, and the diagram of the skies that it represents there.
	So the point is that we're taught that only the Greeks were capable of discovering this, and they did it, but that our ancestors before the Greeks couldn't do it, and it's not considered that the Greeks were the recipients of an ancient heritage.
	And this is odd, because the Greeks themselves were perfectly open about that.
	They said really that they got all their knowledge from ancient Egypt and yet we're sort of fascinated with attributing so many cultural advances to the Greeks.
	I'm not talking about a lost civilization that built space rockets or had cell phones or drove motor cars or made plastic.
	What I am talking about is the underestimation of our ancestors and the possibility of a forgotten episode which is an episode that was way ahead of its time according to the conventional narrative.
	I'm challenging the conventional narrative.
	I'm presenting facts and information which are not explained by that narrative.
	And I hope that this will, first of all, encourage people to take a real curious interest in the past rather than simply accept what they've been told.
	And secondly, that it might cause us to reconsider our own apex predator role.
	It seems that sometimes you allude to, even in your answer then, to the notion that perhaps we could access information in means not covered by rational materialism and the enhancement of the senses through various instruments of magnification.
	i.e.
	that if you could have astronomical knowledge without the telescope or even the ability to track patterns, you know, accurately over centuries, that either there could be contact with a more advanced species or access to information and knowledge without going via material examination and experimentation.
	Is it a coincidence, therefore, Mr Hancock, that you are also interested in ayahuasca and DMT and methods of psychic exploration?
	And do you see there as being a corollary between these laboratories of the psyche and potential other alternative systems of knowledge?
	Yeah, sure.
	Again, I think this is a problem with the mainstream scientific narrative.
	Regarding ourselves as the apex and the pinnacle of the human story, we regard our technology as this wonderful genius thing.
	And of course, there are many genius things about our technology, but it may not be the only route to know stuff.
	There may be other ways to know stuff.
	I'm really interested in the work of Rupert Sheldrake.
	I don't know if you've ever had Rupert on your show.
	Yes, we know Rupert and Merlin.
	We know all the Sheldrakes.
	I've been around his house.
	I've never met a Sheldrake I don't love.
	Me too.
	And the point is that the mainstream scientific narrative will say there is no such thing as telepathy.
	It's impossible to move objects with your mind.
	But Rupert has certainly done a massive amount of research which documents the possibility that there is.
	Telepathy.
	Mainstream narrative will tell you that we live one life and that's all.
	We're these accidents of chemistry and biology.
	We die and that's the end.
	But there's a huge amount of evidence for reincarnation and for people having past lives and perhaps future lives as well.
	And I just think this needs to be taken into account rather than sneeringly dismissed by the mainstream.
	And again, because the mainstream narrative is so dominant, when I talk about this, all I'm trying to do is restore some balance to the debate.
	And it's interesting when I talk and actually, I mean, in my books, I talk about telepathy and telekinesis in a very minor way.
	I mean, you're talking about a page or two across hundreds or even thousands of pages.
	But when mainstream scientists attack my work, they cherry pick that and say, oh, Hancock believes in telepathy.
	And by the way, he takes drugs as well.
	And if we regard ayahuasca as a drug.
	So this is a way that's used to simply and lazily, in an incredibly idle way, just dismiss me.
	I think the experiences in altered states of consciousness, that dimethyltryptamine, DMT, which is the active ingredient of ayahuasca, ayahuasca itself, psilocybin, mushrooms, I think these experiences in altered states of consciousness are very important for people to have.
	These substances are non-addictive and they open up a vision of the universe which is very different from the one that we're taught in school.
	And I don't think anybody should leave this life.
	This would be my recommendation.
	I don't think anybody should leave this life without having had a number of experiences of deeply altered states of consciousness.
	I'm not talking about recreational drugs like cocaine.
	I've never taken cocaine myself.
	What I hear, it sounds like a noisy Meaningless conversation in a bar.
	But the change in perspective that the psychedelics bring I think is very important.
	And that's why at last mainstream science is catching up with this.
	And we are recognizing that psychedelics can be healing medicines.
	That they can bring healing to people with post-traumatic stress disorder.
	That they can bring healing to people who fear death.
	Because suddenly the new perspective that arises is death is nothing to fear.
	It's just the next stage in our adventure.
	It's just the next part of our journey.
	People who are deeply depressed and locked in a very narrow frame and just can't escape from it.
	Psychedelics will often break them out of that frame, especially if done in a supervised way with People around who know what they're doing and who know what they're talking about.
	So I think these are important medicines.
	I have to brace myself every time I take ayahuasca.
	It's not fun.
	It's not recreation.
	It's hard work.
	And then the next bit of the hard work is, okay, you learn stuff about yourself.
	These medicines will thrust your baggage at you in a very forceful and very dramatic way.
	They'll show you the hurt and the pain that you've caused during the course of your life.
	They will give you the opportunity to adjust that.
	Yes, you can't go back and fix past mistakes, but you don't have to repeat them in the future.
	Often we just don't see our own mistakes because we're so rushed and living through daily life.
	But psychedelics will offer the opportunity to see our own mistakes.
	So all in all, I think these are very valuable for getting a different perspective on our own lives and on the world we live in.
	In the field of philosophy and linguistics, even within what we're terming mainstream academia, there has been a kind of reckoning in the form of post-structuralism, and in particular in the work of Foucault, to address even the subject of history from a different perspective.
	But there appear to be certain fields where there hasn't been a similar reckoning.
	I wonder Graham, because in both of these areas that we've touched upon, archaeology and psychedelics or spiritual medicines, it appears that it's in a sense an opportunity to reframe what it is to be human is being offered through our subjective experience, which can potentially be altered and is not as static as we might assume it to be.
	And in terms of archaeology, this sort of shared collective experience of our kind may not be what we've assumed it to be.
	So it seems that in both these disciplines what we're ultimately dealing with is power and dominion and an unwillingness to alter the framing because an adaptation of that framing may mean compromises in the realm of power and what we might consider it is to be a human being.
	Power is definitely involved in this, if I may come in at that point, because the plain fact of the matter is that the discipline of archaeology claims total power over the human past.
	I can't help it.
	I've been looking at some of the Twitter threads about my series that archaeologists have been posting, and they're saying, don't watch this, give it a double thumbs down, don't allow Netflix to make another season with this guy.
	appear to regard themselves as the sole arbiters of the human past.
	And they seem to despise the general public and don't feel that the general public can make up their mind that my views are somehow so dangerous that the general public will be polluted and might lose faith in the mainstream archaeological narrative.
	So it is definitely about power.
	Our archaeologists are those in our society who hold the keys to our past.
	They're the only ones we're supposed to listen to.
	And there's no doubt that power is involved in every aspect of human behavior.
	I don't know.
	But wherever power becomes dominant and claims monopoly and asks people not to listen and to shut up and pay no attention, I think that needs to be challenged.
	I don't like to think of vindictive archaeologists except for perhaps the one in Raiders of the Lost Ark that was kept trying to ruin Indiana Jones's day and trying to nick that beautiful ark that Indiana Jones had found by borrowing it from the people that were looking after it up until that point.
	Archaeologists are always attacking each other.
	It's like a dogfight all the time.
	So I'm not unique in being singled out for attacks by archaeologists.
	Grab them nerds!
	Don't let them nerds get you down.
	What I object to is the idle laziness of archaeology.
	So the main dismissals of the ideas that I put forward have been so-called woke dismissals.
	That Hancock is, I don't know how this comes about because race is not mentioned in my TV series at all, but Hancock is promoting racism and white supremacy.
	You'll find dozens of stories like that emanating from archaeologists in reaction to this show.
	And that, again, just seems to me to be incredibly lazy.
	And I find it personally offensive.
	I have seven mixed-race grandchildren.
	They're going to see this as they grow up.
	They're going to look back on this.
	I find it offensive.
	I'd rather the archaeologists got to grips in detail with the ideas rather than accusing me of racism and white supremacy.
	But it's a very easy way.
	It's a very lazy way.
	to just get a lot of people to turn off and not pay any attention and I'm ashamed of archaeology
	for doing that. They really should not. Don't let these archaeologists get you down. I've told you
	before and I'll tell you again. Look, none of them have got a good show on Netflix, none of them are
	at number two in the charts, they're there on a very small site with a bit of string stretched
	Finding a pot?
	Oh, it's a pot from the Iron Age.
	I'm not interested in a pot.
	You better show me a bloody pyramid that lines up with some constellation or I'm switching back on to Graham.
	I'll take the risks that him and his mixed-race family are white supremacists for a bit of juicy archaeology.
	Graham, I want you to hit us with the undeniables.
	Like, say we're in an argument now with one of these old fuddy I don't know.
	gatekeeper archaeologists. What are the most like, you know, our top five? Explain that, you bastard,
	bits of archaeology. Like, you know, I know there's that underwater road, I know there's... hold on,
	I'm gonna say it correctly. Gobekli Teke. Shit, I said it wrong. Gobleki Teke. I know there's Gobleki Teke.
	Gobleki Teke. I'd say, if I had one of them... If I get one of them archaeologists, I'd grip him by his tweed jacket,
	him or her or they, I'd grip him by their tweed jacket and I'd say, take me to Gobleki Teke now,
	Gobekli Tepe is a problem, and it is something that needs to be brought into the argument, precisely because until Gobekli Tepe was excavated and studied, it was the dominant mainstream view that there could be no such thing as megalithic architecture before 6,000 years ago.
	Because you needed a settled civilization with agriculture generating services and allowing experts to emerge, architects, engineers, and so on, to have a big megalithic site with precise astronomical alignments being put up.
	But Gobekli Tepe is 7,000 years older than Stonehenge, and it seems to come out of nowhere, and it's really problematic.
	And then we find that the people around Gobekli Tepe were entirely hunter-gatherers.
	When they began to build this site, and in the thousand years that the site was used, they transformed from being hunter-gatherers into agriculturalists.
	And what I suggest is that rather than suggesting that a group of hunter-gatherers simply woke up one morning magically equipped to create the largest megalithic site on earth 7,000 years before Stonehenge, That we're a species with amnesia, and that there's a forgotten episode in the human story, and that what we're looking at is a transfer of technology from the survivors of a civilization that got destroyed in the cataclysm that we know occurred at the end of the last Ice Age.
	Other points I think are very important.
	I mentioned precession.
	This is a wobble on the axis of the Earth.
	Because the Earth is the viewing platform from which we observe the stars, it changes the positions and orientations of the stars.
	in the sky.
	There's compelling evidence that that knowledge goes way back into the Stone Age.
	It's present in cave art.
	There's a fantastic book by Giorgio de Santidiana and Hertha von Deschen.
	They were both professors of the history of science.
	Giorgio was professor of history of science at MIT, Hertha von Deschen at the University of Frankfurt, called Hamlet's Mill.
	And this book investigates ancient knowledge of precession.
	And it's completely ignored by archaeologists, even though it is It does emanate from mainstream scientists themselves.
	So the knowledge of this rather obscure and difficult to observe astronomical phenomenon, encoded in myths and traditions, going back into the deepest past, I think that's another one that archaeology is failing to get to grips with.
	Ancient maps that show the world as it looked the last ice age and that have rather precise relative longitudes incorporated in them.
	In every case, these maps were drawn in the 15th, 16th, 17th centuries, but the mapmakers tell us that they based them on older source maps, which have now lost.
	Why, for example, does Antarctica appear on many of these old maps when our civilization
	didn't discover Antarctica until around 1820?
	And it's shown just a bit larger than it is today, as it was during the last ice age.
	The relative longitudes in these maps is important because longitude is a problem that our civilization
	didn't crack until the mid-18th century.
	So I think these are important issues as well.
	And then I agree with you that big stones in themselves don't say much, but when you
	go to a place like Sacsayhuaman in Cusco in Peru, and you see the incredible way that
	these massive blocks of stone are interlocked together like a kind of jigsaw puzzle.
	It really defies imagination as to how this was done.
	And I cannot accept that it was just a couple of guys grinding away at the stones and making them all fit together in that way.
	I don't think it's fully explained by the mainstream at all.
	So there have been a series of cataclysmic events that have caused us to lose not only civilization and a different type of technology, a different type of perception, but our awareness even of ourselves.
	And I suppose there's this piety and presumptuousness that accompanies not only your arch enemies over there in archaeology, that every time we talk about you get so riled up, Graham, There's also this condescending and colonial, somewhat imperialist attitude towards folk knowledge and myth, precisely because it is, quote, unscientific, and there is the assumption that because it can't be verified, because it can't be experimented, because it can't be measured, that there's no value.
	Folk knowledge is a depository of so much, I would say, sort of archetypal information that sort of suggests there is a shared oral history that somehow resonates and remains in spite of the various... That can't be true in relation to flood myths and myths of a global cataclysm, which are truly universal.
	They're found all over the world.
	And in every case, archaeologists dismiss and ignore them and don't believe that they're true testimony of a global cataclysm.
	And this is a problem because there definitely was a global cataclysm, and it's relatively recent.
	It's 12,800 years ago.
	It's the beginning of an epoch called the Younger Dryas.
	Now, there's still a lot of argument about why that cataclysm happened.
	I happen to have a view I share with a number of credentialed scientists that the Comet Research Group, 100 scientists, have suggested that the Earth ran into the debris stream of a disintegrating comet and that that's what caused this extraordinary global cataclysm to occur.
	There are other explanations that are offered as well, but what I think nobody can really disagree on is that the event called the Younger Triumphs, which unfolded between 12,800 and 11,600 years ago was indeed a global cataclysm, a sudden plunge in global temperatures, a huge rise in sea level, the complete extinction of the megafauna of the Ice Age,
	Evidence that human population went through a bottleneck at that point.
	There was a global cataclysm and we can't, we really are not smart to try and present a narrative about our story that doesn't take cataclysmic events into account, particularly when they're recent.
	I mean, who gives a fuck about the dinosaurs 67 or 66 million years ago, but 12,800 years ago, that's in our time.
	That's in the human time frame, and it was a big cataclysm, and nobody disputes that.
	No geologist would say, oh, the Younger Dryas was just a minor event.
	It was a major event.
	We can argue about what caused it, but the nature of it is there, and it's there right at the beginning.
	The Younger Dryas ends 11,600 years ago, massive rise in sea levels, global temperatures shoot up, and then suddenly, weirdly, civilization emerges.
	I think it was a reboot of civilization, automatic invention of civilization.
	That's why I think we've lost a big part of our story.
	And I may not be right, but I hope that people will consider that possibility and explore it.
	Even in the period of your acclaim, there have been shifts in the narrative around the population of North America and when that occurred.
	We're sort of seeing gradually some, and as I suppose this is true in all disciplines, If you have an orthodoxy, the orthodoxy is conservative and tradition-oriented, and it takes radical outsiders to change that framing, and often those outsiders will be dismissed, discouraged, smeared and undermined.
	But as well as your work itself, which I have always found fascinating, before other people did, before other people thought it was cool, I also think that the spirit of it is important.
	The area that interests me primarily currently, Graham, is the way that we appear to be dominated by a narrow set of ideals.
	We have very limited political choice.
	The state and corporations are in global harmony, preventing individual free will.
	Meanwhile, the media turns people against one another continually on the basis of cultural identity.
	And I feel that without a kind of the birth of a new ideology, something that can liberate and unify us simultaneously, where we can begin to again accept that people are different from one another, that humans may live in many different ways.
	And I consider the idea that humanity has been around longer.
	That there have been different iterations of civilisation.
	That life is abundant and present elsewhere in the cosmos.
	That we can radically alter civilisation.
	I consider that to be as important as anything else.
	We live in a dry-drab time with dry-drab, numb, dumb ideas continually dominating our contemporary narratives.
	And this sort of dearth of imagination contributes to that, that we're not able to explore our own psyche.
	We're not able to explore our own culture.
	And some things excite me when I hear you, like, you know, why not do more exploration
	in the rainforest?
	Why not do more exploration in the desert?
	Why not intrepidly and authentically and with integrity investigate our past?
	And it's because the notion of conservatism, it expands beyond your discipline and field of expertise,
	albeit in a non-traditional and non-conventional, you know, experiential expertise that you've acquired.
	And I feel that this spirit is vital and important.
	Hey, Graham, I really want to go and dig around in some of them sort of megalithic sites that I want to have a little nose about.
	I want to go to the pyramids.
	If I go to the pyramids, how do I not just have some boring tourist experience?
	How do I get right in there and be allowed to do stuff that's interesting and, like, Well, it's very difficult.
	I myself was banned from filming in Egypt for my series because a senior Egyptologist who advises the Egyptian government told them not to let Hancock in.
	Back in the old days, for me, the early 90s, late 80s, when I was first exploring the pyramids, it was a much freer place.
	I climbed the Great Pyramid five times, three times illegally.
	And it was possible to do that, but today it's not possible.
	It's not possible to do that.
	It's very difficult to get an alternative narrative when you go to Egypt.
	I do know a number of people who are in the sort of guiding field in Egypt who are offering an alternative narrative, but by and large it's the mainstream narrative that's given.
	So the only answer is go there.
	Do what you can.
	Often you'll find the Great Pyramid closed.
	You'll certainly not be able to climb it.
	Do what you can, use your mind, use your imagination, look at these things, try and figure out how they were made and what they all amount to, and then pay attention to ancient Egyptian civilization itself, a civilization that put its best minds to work for 3,000 years on the mystery of what happens to us after death.
	This was a deep inquiry that the ancient Egyptians went into, and I think we have to have enormous respect for them, and we have to also have respect for what they said about their past.
	That their past goes back much further than the beginnings of historical Egypt to a time that they called Zep Tepi, the first time.
	And there are a lot of astronomical reasons why we can pin that down to the Younger Dryas period.
	It seems with the false markers of technology and medicine, in particular in areas of communication, we can see evident and observable progress and therefore mistakenly believe that progress has been unilateral, that we are continuing to improve and that we are, as you describe it, apex predators astride all history, but potentially there are unexplored lineages, neurological and historical, archaeological and botanical, areas of reality as yet Unrealised.
	We're regressing, Russell, not progressing.
	This civilisation is on a downward path.
	It feels like that.
	It feels like decline.
	Even like the symbols are telling you that.
	Decaying presidents, decaying systems.
	It feels like that.
	Awful leadership.
	And again, this huge trust that we put in experts so that we don't think out anything for ourselves.
	There's a whole range of problems.
	The ethic that you were talking about earlier, that our sole purpose on this planet is to produce and consume, that we define ourselves by our possessions.
	What a limited picture of the human creature this is, and how our majestic potential is just being narrowed down into a very limited place.
	Yes, we need change in this.
	If this civilization is going to survive at all, It looks to me like a civilization that's going to implode.
	And regardless of whether there's going to be some further collisions with comet fragments, our civilization is dooming itself.
	And those who survive will be The meek of the earth.
	It will be the hunter-gatherers.
	It will be the people who know how to survive, which the vast majority of people in our so-called advanced civilization haven't got a clue about, because we're all dependent on other people's expertise in order to survive.
	I think we're a very fragile civilization.
	The hatred and fear and suspicion that's being deliberately manipulated in the world today, and this one-sided focus on production and consumption It's a very bad path, Trev.
	We need to explore radical new alternatives.
	We can no longer settle for the dominant and dominator narratives, either politically or historically.
	Graham, I always enjoy talking to you.
	You give me so much cause for optimism, both in your work, but also in your incredible spirit.
	Where are you?
	When might I see you again, flesh to flesh?
	Forgive that image.
	Well, right now I'm in Cambridge, Massachusetts.
	And we're going to spend Thanksgiving with my son and daughter-in-law and our two grandchildren here in Cambridge, Massachusetts.
	And then we'll be back in England, my wife Santa and I, on the 3rd of December.
	It would be lovely to see you again, Russell.
	I will be here and I'll ask the producer to connect us, as a matter of fact, because I would like to see you over Christmas.
	Perhaps we'll wander around some monolithic sites and I'll say that they're not jazzy enough and there's not good enough masonry and you'll explain That they're aligned with constellations beyond the reach of our kind.
	Thank you so much, Graham.
	Thanks for your time and your expertise and for all your work and congratulations on the new series.
	And the next time I see an archaeologist, I'm just going to kick them right in the balls.
	And I'll say, that's from Graham Hancock, you killjoy.
	Russell, thank you for having me on your show.
	I really appreciate it.
	It's really great to talk to you again.
	See you soon.
	Love to your family, Graham.
	Take care, mate.
	Bye-bye.
	Thank you.
	See you.
	Thank you.
	There we go.
	Yet more information conveyed.
	The reason I didn't show Graham this is because I wondered whether or not I might have pushed him over the edge.
	We don't want to push him over the edge.
	But if you stay with us on Stay Free AF, which is the next 15 minutes, you can ask us whatever questions you want.
	Let me tell you a few things.
	We're having a couple of weeks off now.
	Not proper off, are we?
	We're going to be toiling.
	We're going to reboot this machine.
	We're going to improve this vehicle.
	We're going to turn this into something that can bring you complex truth and simple solutions.
	We are going to awaken ourselves and you, whether we like it or not.
	We're going to get ready for a new complex reality.
	We're going to arm ourselves to the teeth.
	We're going to become meek and inherit that earth.
	We're going to train ourselves to survive in post-apocalyptic conditions.
	All in two weeks.
	It's going to be a lot of pressure, Gareth.
	I've put a tent up out back.
	He's going to go for a little holiday.
	You've not got time for that, mates.
	Oh, you'll be lucky.
	We're going to go blacky-techy in ten minutes.
	I've booked us a plane.
	I'm climbing that pyramid if it kills me.
	We're going on a work trip.
	I'm going straight to the Natural History Museum.
	I'm going to grab me the first archaeologist I see by the scruff of their dick.
	And say, what have you done to Graham Hancock?
	You've pissed him off.
	Remember, if you want to see me live, if you can't bear to wait two weeks, you can see me live doing stand-up comedy.
	Me in my natural environment.
	Grey's where I'm from.
	Look in the chat right now.
	There's a link to buy your tickets to see me at the Thameside event.
	I'm going to save a childhood theatre, my own personal archaeology and history.
	And there's going to be some brilliant performances there for you to participate in.
	You're going to learn about direct activism.
	You're going to learn about philosophy.
	And I will be talking at length about gobleki-teki, about which I know a great deal.
	Don't want to miss it.
	You do not want to miss that!
	He might pronounce it right on the day.
	That's the day.
	I'm aiming to, I think, by 5th December I will put that L.
	in the right place. That's the hope. That's the hope. So you can see me there doing live stand up from 12pm to 5pm
	and then there's going to be some giddy and irresponsible activism. You're going to love it. You're going to love it.
	If you want to get a gift to celebrate the birth of our Lord Jesus Christ
	or some other thing that you're into, go right now and get some merchandise off of our store.
	All of the money we give to people with mental health and addiction issues.
	We help them get clean and free and sane and stable, if ever such a thing were possible.
	There's a link in the description for that as well.
	And remember, while we're gone, you'll be able to see conversations with all sorts of fantastic guests.
	Gabor Maté is out there, Bernardo Kastrup talking about idealism and materialism from a CERN Collider, CERN Hydron Collider perspective.
	We are determined to give birth to new myths.
	Aren't we?
	Yeah, absolutely.
	We'll have done that by the end of the week.
	A couple of weeks off.
	And coming up in the next season, let me tell you some of the people that are coming on.
	Bernie Sanders, Rick Rubin, Elon Musk, Tony Robbins.
	Yay!
	Shall we get yay on?
	It's a hell of a dinner party, isn't it?
	It's going to be lovely.
	It's going to be delightful.
	It's going to be dishy and dangerous.
	Anyway, so thank you for joining us.
	Thanks for supporting us on our first season on Stay Free with Russell Brand.
	Thanks for supporting that, we've really enjoyed having you.
	Let me know who you want to see on, and if you're a member of the Stay Free AF community, oh look at that lovely montage, we're going to do another 15 minutes taking your questions.
	Otherwise, we will see you next season, not for more of the same, but for more of the different.
	Until then, stay free!
	See you on the chat in a minute!

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