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Except, except the same two people I accepted before.
Yeah.
And then the others have done it.
How come you're not in?
How come you're not?
How come you're not live, though?
It says live.
I am live.
Where are you?
Looks like.
Hello.
You see me?
We see you.
Awesome.
I can't figure out how to put you on the screen.
I can see you and me on screen.
You saw us both.
I mean, I see.
There you go.
What?
Two amazing brains.
And this is like a night.
This is so hard.
It's the hardest thing I've ever done in my life.
Exactly.
So, Shelly, we'll keep on trying to text our other invited guests.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I think if we go to the waiting room, they might be in there.
Can we see if there's anybody else in the waiting room?
No, I don't want to go anywhere.
You're afraid to move.
You already got a good spot.
Yeah, nothing there.
So, Dr. Drew, are you in?
Shelly, can you text Dr. Drew?
Yeah, I think you did.
We would find out if he has the latest link that you just emailed him.
Yeah, he probably, he might.
I mean, I had a problem on my phone, but then I had, once I got the Rumble app, it was, it worked out.
You might just need to refresh it.
So find out if Dr. Drew has downloaded the Rumble app on anything.
Okay.
Why don't you guys get started?
And I don't know if it's going to work for them, but if they can get into the link and get in, we can accept them as soon as they can get in.
Right.
We've got a little IQ test here, everybody.
Greg, you said the leaderboard?
Yes.
I guess I passed the test.
Is that Owen?
That is Owen.
Hey, Owen.
Hello, Greg.
Good.
Good.
So what do you want to talk about?
Can I tell you about a conversation I had yesterday?
Tell me about it.
So I was talking to a mutual friend of ours, and we were talking about like how the coffee with Scott Adams is uniquely irreplaceable, which is redundant.
And it's like, and she was saying to me that it has to do with the fact that it doesn't feel like a show.
And the moment that, like, if anybody tries to kind of recreate that, they have to somehow figure out kind of the natural nature of what you did.
And it might not be possible.
Like, you could think of the right person, but that may not be enough.
It's like, it's something about the fact that it just did not feel like a show.
I thought that was interesting.
The show that did not feel like a show.
Yeah.
That's what I was aiming for.
Yeah.
Yeah, I always wanted it to feel like you're in my living room or chatting.
Yeah, it was like, I tried that with Red Eye where every night I tried to do something different.
So it felt like it was in somebody's basement.
And I think it worked.
I think it kind of worked, but it's like, if you try to do it, like, I try to give people advice.
Like, don't do, don't, you don't have to say, hello, this is the Greg Gutfeld show.
You don't have to do that.
You know, you can do boop what you do, and then you kind of like move around, got your papers, you know.
Oh, and then you know what we did?
We were trying to go through people who would be the closest to you as a replacement.
It's a game.
All right, now I have to know who you thought was the closest.
Well, okay, I'm going to tell you the people.
Okay, so my first, in terms of somebody who gives wisdom that I can use, Adam Carolla is really good, but his countenance is different than yours.
He's like, he's not like, it's hard.
He's not the friendliest kind of persona.
And he's all, I think it's because he's like, he's got the angry comedian thing.
So even if he's right, he's going to alienate some people, which you don't have.
And then I, but you know, the one I think is the best is Walter Kern, but he also has a point of view.
But he has this very folksy, he's very real.
And he does this podcast with Matt Taibbi.
And you kind of feel like you're also pals.
But it's really weird.
It's like your talent stack is such a combination of things that it's almost impossible to find, you know, the is he gonna take a poop onto your shoulder?
He has been doing like while I was waiting, he's been bothering the hell out of me.
So he's with me while the baby's eating, and he just does he's just doing stupid shit.
He looks like he's up to no good.
And I'm not and and um basically doesn't know what to do.
But so anyway, we we I think we talked about an app for an hour.
Well, we talked for about an hour about replacements.
And I came to the conclusion.
I said this on your spaces that we won't know who the next Scott Adams is because they don't even know it.
You know, they don't be that you didn't know you were going to be the next Scott Adams.
I did not know.
Yeah, when I started, I thought it would be a sort of an incremental, you know, I learn as I go.
Yeah.
I think that's what happened.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm always amused by the difference in voice quality between the professionals and the amateurs.
Yeah.
The moment you come on, you can tell us it's a very practiced voice.
Yeah.
It's a you're I uh like when I talk to people like people who are on my show for the first time, their voice is always higher than it should be.
And you know what I mean?
And I think, and I used to be like that when I started Red Eye was that my voice was much higher and it's like reedy.
But once you do, if you do it for like three or four months, your voice comes down here and it's like it's resting, you know?
Well, I also noticed that, you know, I've talked to you offline lots of times and it's exactly the same.
Yeah, that's true too.
You don't want to change.
That is the thing I always hated when I would do morning radio when they, the person, like I would do these book tours, and I'm sure you've done it.
And generally people talk to you normally.
And then the thing turns on and they have a radio voice.
Somebody told them that they have a really good radio.
Then you have the woman with the sultry radio voice.
Like she smokes cigarettes.
Hey, welcome back.
She's like doing the rock voice.
We got some pink Floyd coming up, and then the guy talks like this: it's like, hey, man, it's the morning zoo with the nut bag and the Creaklehead.
And it's like so fake, you know.
So, Dr. Drew just tried to come on and I clicked him, but I don't see him as a participant.
So, one of the many miracles I'm hoping for, yeah, so how hard it was to follow you out.
Well, let me put my earpieces in.
And uh, there were can you hear me okay?
Yes, yes, okay, there were several steps.
Uh, Rumble app doesn't do it, you have to have Rumble studio app, right?
And then you also have to download locals, locals, and you have to remember locals, you have to sign into locals, you have to sign into all three and then hook all three.
So, done and done.
Thank you very much.
It took a while.
Yep, a minute.
Thank you for your patience.
Jesus.
Oh, my goodness.
Scott, you look particularly good.
Yes, please, please, please.
All right.
What am I drinking?
Tea.
Uh, bobo tea.
Bobo.
Shelly, you're gonna have to read the simultaneous sip from the other mode.
No, you do that.
I can't do that.
What I had in front of me.
Maybe I can ask Grock.
Maybe I can ask Grock for the simultaneous sip.
Give me that.
Yeah, hold on.
I'm using Grock for everything.
I'm looking at me too.
Are you looking at people that disappeared from your life?
I'm not that weird.
Oh, I there.
I there's a guy who died who was born the same day I was, and he died in 1986.
And we were both the same age.
We both went to school together.
Give me Scott Adams' opening to his podcast.
Gotcha.
Let me do this.
All right.
Okay, I guess Scott.
Let's do this.
His reading, his reading.
Okay, let's see if they understand.
Let's see if Brock gets this.
All right, searching on X.
No, but I was searching.
All of a sudden, I'll think about it.
Oh, there's another search I did.
Okay.
And I didn't find anything.
Where are the participants in the new in the two girls one cup video?
Oh my God.
Aren't you curious?
Sure.
Now I am.
My brain doesn't go there automatically, but now I am.
Yeah.
It's like, don't you want to know?
Oh, this person's giving me a Grock is giving me a summary.
Can you give me the word?
The word for word simultaneous sip, please.
But yeah, I think about like what happened to these people.
Let's see if that works.
Word for word, simultaneous sip, please.
But yeah, so I find myself thinking about these people.
All right.
I think texted it to you, too.
Okay.
Greg, make sure you use that brain for good.
Yeah.
Tom Sam.
Boy, Grock sucks today.
Yeah, he does.
I want to say two things while you're searching.
Hey, Scott, you look particularly good this morning.
Less drug, less medicine, maybe.
Yeah, good.
And then I wanted to say something about Shelly.
I don't know if people understand how important Shelly is to you.
When she was organizing, getting me and Greg.
I don't, but Shelly is really an important person.
You sort of mentioned it yesterday, but I wanted people to know I've seen her in action.
And Greg, you've seen her too.
Yeah.
Let me do the tip.
Let me do the tip.
The time will take.
I have to read this.
So you don't see me, do you?
You're frozen.
Yeah, because I'm reading the simultaneous tip.
All you need is a cup or a mug or a glass, a tank or Chalister Stein, a canteen, jug, or flask, a festival of any kind.
Fill it with your favorite liquid.
I like coffee.
And join me now for the unparalleled pleasure of the dopamine hit of the day, the thing that makes everything better.
Ah, that's some good stuff.
Yeah.
Yeah.
All right.
I'm sorry, Drew.
You're talking.
No, Shelly's been making it.
Yeah.
And I just wanted to make sure Scott had a chance to communicate that to everybody.
Yeah.
Thank you, Jeremy.
So I still got a cough, but I am sufficiently drugged enough that I can't do things like even put in my passwords anymore.
Yeah.
But I'm with Drew.
You do sound and appear a lot better than yesterday.
So you, I mean, that's, I'm holding on to that.
Me too.
And are you taking medicine for pain?
Is that why they're giving it to you?
Is your back hurting and stuff still?
A lot.
But some of us for pain and some of us for reducing my cough.
I see.
Well, I never knew that pain medicine could reduce your cough.
It can.
There's other things they can do too without zonking you, but you might talk to them about it.
Dr. Zhu, I got a question for you.
Okay.
Sorry, I'll be drooling all over.
So as you know, I've been bombarded with other people's idea of what I should do to save my life.
I know.
How in the world would somebody who's not a doctor work through the ivermectin fembetazole, which was the first thing I tried?
Yeah.
But then that did not help.
But then that turns into, well, you didn't do enough.
Right.
We've added all these other minerals to it.
Or you should, yeah.
And there was no way for me to know, did I do it right?
Did I order the right package or was it a bunch of fake stuff?
Yeah.
Then there were the people who wanted me to fast.
Right.
And I was saying to myself, if fasting worked, everybody would fast, wouldn't they?
Right.
Right.
Well, not only that, cancer makes you fast.
You're not, you can't start to eat when you're on opiates and cancer and have cancer.
And it does not seem to affect the tumor at all.
And then there was the Dr. Su and Shun protocol, which I also tried.
But when that didn't work, and the question was raised, did I take enough?
It's always, did you take enough?
Did you take it at the right time?
And did you get it in time?
There was some question about whether I got it in time.
Now, you could probably list three or four other things that people promote.
And I would have no way to really know if they worked.
So how do you sort that out?
I'm not asking you for a specific recommendation.
I'm asking, how would anybody like me say, oh, that's a good one, and that's the bad one?
Yeah, it's why you have doctors.
I mean, we have lots of experience with these tumors.
Other thing that to me, usually I have a cough too, that this is a symptom of is how poorly we teach biology.
People have no exposure to biology.
And biology is literally infinitely complex.
And prostate cancer in particular is a brilliant tumor.
It finds way or it learns through evolutionary adaptation in real time to find its way around everything we do.
One of the greatest advances to me for metastatic prostate cancer is things like pluvicta, where each cell is being attacked by what's called a ligand with a radioactive agent attached to it.
And it can wipe out the whole tumor all throughout your body.
But then one tumor learns: oh, if I don't let this ligand bind, I survive and it survives and grows again.
And that's because of the spectacularly complex genetic machinery in the tumor.
So I would distill it down, Scott, to this simple diathesis that there are responders and non-responders.
And to try to get exactly the right timing and the exactly right dose, that's usually not as important as is somebody a responder or not.
So I would just, and when somebody's not a responder, there's usually a multiplicity of reasons for that.
And it's part of the complexity of biology.
Does that make sense?
Yeah, I didn't even mention pluvicto.
I got kicked off the pluvecto because, you know, I was too weak by then.
I don't want to plan sex.
Anyway.
And then, and then Soon Shong's thing is brand new.
And so it's a brilliant idea.
I don't know what to make of it, though, in terms of its application.
And he's got a second approach on top of what I did.
I think this boy is just too late.
Well, I mean, you can always try stuff, Scott.
I mean, that's the thing if you're up for it, but you've got to be up for it.
And this is the other part that people don't understand.
This is your illness.
This is your life.
This is your decisions.
And it can, you know, you get tired of it.
You get tired of all of it.
Right.
All right.
Let's talk about something happier.
All right.
Minnesota?
Aran?
Boy.
Yeah.
I don't know, man.
I refuse to be suckered into this Minnesota story, the way it's presented.
You know, it's like, I don't think it's about what happened between the police and that woman.
It's about everything that led to that moment.
It's about this whole thing was just so set up for theater.
Anyway, that's my, that's why like I get kind of like annoyed that I have to play a role in talking about the technical elements of the shooting.
And it's like, dude, that's for other people.
We know that this was a desired response.
This is what, this is what a certain group wants.
They don't even care about her.
So I like, it almost irritates me that I have to be drawn into this conversation.
Iran looks exciting.
Well, let's talk about that.
I'm not up to date.
Yeah.
Well, there's a lot of demonstrations.
Greg, to call it demonstrations almost underplays what this is.
There's like the entire populace is out.
It looks like, looks like to us anyway.
And the existing descendant of the Shaw seems to be waiting in place to be brought in.
Sounds even like the waiting for the new show is like man that never works.
Yes.
Yeah.
How long have we been waiting for that guy?
Yeah.
And by the way, when his grandfather was in, it wasn't so great.
That's, I think, really the problem.
Yeah.
And why did he get first dibs?
Do you want it?
Well, I mean, I bet there's other, I mean, there's other Iranians that are probably more.
I have a producer on my show, Arash.
You know him.
I know Arash.
You want to put him up for it?
Yeah, he would be good.
He'd be good.
I'm trying to think of Iranian people that I know.
I know a lot of IP people, but I can't.
But yeah, it's like, why does this?
Why does the guy's a relative?
He gets first dibs.
I don't get it.
But then again, you know.
You know, hey, I guy, both you guys, I've never heard you talk about something, but I have a question for you.
And it's pertinent to this topic, which is, and I hear the French talking about this a lot, and we don't talk about it, which is the sovereignty of the people.
I mean, our, you know, our republics, ours, France, hopefully what happens in Iran should be republics where the people are sovereign.
Not the Shah is sovereign.
The people are sovereign.
We don't seem to make enough of that lately.
We are instead led by elites and small, loud crowds.
And the actual, the people, which is usually around 70% of the populace, is just sitting on the side going, leave me alone.
I want to get my work done.
Why don't we talk about the sovereignty of the people anymore?
Well, is it just another way of saying power?
Who has the power here?
Yeah.
Yeah.
But also, like, the great thing about being an American is that you don't have to get involved in stuff if you're busy.
And that's most of America.
Most of America, like we, most of America has no idea what the Minnesota story is.
They might capture glimpses of it, but they're like, why am I their interaction with that will be if some idiot stops them in the street and they're like, get the fuck out of my way.
That's, I think America is too busy.
And so it's left with these people who have all this time on their hands.
They have all this like hijacked compassion.
All these, like the one thing I noticed, and I said it on the five, I could not believe how in every clip was a woman.
It was, there were no young guys.
It was all these middle-aged women and they were all screaming.
It was just so, it was like, okay, there is definitely something going on here.
I don't know.
Is it like America where the certain age and type of woman series to be the major protesters?
Yes.
It's weird to see some that have kids generally.
I mean, the ones that I see, which are around Fox, they're not, they don't have kids.
They've got, they're either in their 50s, they didn't have kids.
They don't even have grandkids.
So you get a lot of the older people and they get paid to be there because they have nothing else to do.
But a lot of them are these young, angry women who have been told that I think, or they bought into the idea that they are, they're simultaneously victims and they're guilty.
It's like, it's like two things at the same time.
You are a victim because you're oppressed, but you're also an oppressor.
So you have nothing to do but lash out at these cops.
It's so funny because I don't know.
I don't think those women like the people they're around.
You know, I don't think they, I don't.
You know, it's like, it's like I think that they actually would they, would they like the ice agents more, and I think that's part of the, that's part of the lashing out.
You know, in Iran, I wonder how much fashion has to do with anything.
You know the, the fact that somebody tells you what you can and cannot wear.
Yes yeah, impact on me, thank you.
It is amazing that Iran has gone on this long.
It's what is it?
That's been 40 some odd years.
79, yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, that's a long time.
Because before that, Iran was actually a very stylish, very Western.
And then they just like flipped.
How easy was that?
It's a lesson.
Yeah.
So we definitely got Mike out here, do we?
Yes, he's on there.
No, not Mike.
We don't have Mike's.
Tell him he needs three apps, Locals, Rumbles, and Rumble Studio.
And sign into all three.
Yeah.
And they'll hook up.
And I know he's DM'd me, but I can't get to him.
I'm afraid to DM him because I'm going to fall out of this.
We need one 13-year-old.
We want one 13-year-old to help us to lead him.
Some teenager who knows this stuff.
Oh, I got to tell you, I bought this.
I bought a synthesizer.
It's called a sound layer for 200 bucks.
I thought, okay, this looks easy.
I wish I could remember the name of it.
I do not know how to use it.
And then I go and I watch tutorials of it.
And people are going, oh, yeah.
And they hit all these little buttons.
What is the freaking name of it?
I'm going to tell you what the name of it is.
So people can like, I bought it at the MoMA store, the Museum of Modern Art store, because they have cool shit.
And so I bought this thing.
Let's see, what's it called?
It's me.
Why is it so hard to find things when I want to find them?
While he's looking, while there's a you can freeze, I want to finish the topic of the women yelling at the ice age.
You know, there's some evidence that Corolla keeps talking about this, that, you know, they're walking up to armed, uptight, nervous young men in 5,000-pound vehicles.
Stop as though that's sufficient.
And there's some evidence.
All male X, Y mammals engage in aggressive, rough and tumble play.
As you mentioned, Scott, men are always worried about getting hurt.
It starts in childhood with rough and tumble play, but the rough and tumble play, the wrestling, the football, all the fighting we do, helps regulate and helps us assess ourselves in the world relative to other men.
Like you get punched in the face, you learn.
Women get none of that.
In fact, they get you can't be touched no matter what by a man.
And so we've brainwashed them to use Scott's language into believing that they can walk up to guys who are highly armed, highly uptight, freaking out in 5,000-pound vehicles and just go, hey, man, listen to me.
Yeah.
I wouldn't do that.
What are you going to do about it?
So I believe that this new kind of like ritual with the white liberal progressive confronting police, it's their version of Tide Pods.
You know, Kid eats the Tide Pod.
He films himself.
He doesn't think he's like, I'm going to get famous, but he doesn't think he's going to poison himself.
Eat the Tide Pod.
I'm on.
I'm on TikTok.
And then he dies.
Or he poisons himself.
So Tide has to say, hey, guys, there's only one thing we can do.
Tell you not to eat Tide Pods.
But beyond that, it's not you.
You know, we can't, we're trying to tell you not to do it.
So these people come in, they go, they're essentially eating Tide Pods.
They're like, I'm going to stand in front of a cop, taunt him, or drive into one and think I'm going to get away with it.
I have my wife filming me.
Nothing bad could nothing possibly could happen.
But it's like adult Tide Pod eating.
So the name of this thing that I got, Teenage Engineering EP40 Rhythm.
I'm going to see if I can show a picture of you.
Picture of it.
There you go.
Can you see it?
This game is so complicated.
It's ridiculous.
All right.
There we go.
All right.
But Greg, it's in its name.
It's for teenagers.
What are you doing?
I know, but that hasn't stopped me.
I can't tell you how many mixers I've purchased in my life.
Really?
Only to know that I can't use them.
Yes.
But at least I only spent $329 to find out that it was not for me.
At least I didn't like it, it wasn't like a couple of grand where I've almost bought something because, oh, how hard could this be?
And then I give up.
That's the story of my life trying to make anything work with Grock.
Have you ever had anything try to work every time you use AI to tell you how to use an interface?
It will make it up.
I use that for this, for Rhythm, for this teenage engineering thing.
I asked Grock, I said, explain it to me like I am a befuddled, you know, old man.
And they actually did a pretty good job, but they skipped steps.
That because I don't know why, but they just skipped steps and I was no better off than I was before.
My experience is that the very first step that they want you to do, it'll be something like, press the systems button for community.
And then I'll spend the next 20 minutes thinking, what the hell is wrong with me?
Why can't I find that button?
The answer is always the same.
It doesn't exist.
Yeah.
But I do love having conversations with Grok about like, tell me the, tell me the name of the suspect in this crime.
And they won't tell you it, but they'll do it for.
So I like, I go, why won't they tell me the name of the suspect of the shooting in Mississippi?
And I'm like, why won't you tell me that?
They're in custody.
And it's like, I try to figure out like, what is how is the news being controlled?
And then you find out later.
And then they always like, there was, I did a Grok where they at the end of Grok that said, our thoughts and prayers go out to the victims.
Oh, Grok is doing thoughts and prayers.
It's like, it's like, okay, that's not real.
But it's just, it's really helpful to ask the right questions.
It tells you how to ask questions to get answers.
That's what I'm, I'm learning how to be better at prompting things.
And I find myself doing it on the show.
Like if I talk to Jessica, I almost act like I'm talking to Grok.
I also, I also was able to teach Grok something.
I was looking up data on violence, left-wing violence, right-wing violence, and I'd already pre-searched and it biased highly to old data.
And I said, why are you doing that?
And the Grok literally said to me, you know what?
You're right.
In the future, I will not do that.
I will point out that there has been a massive shift in a different direction.
Now, the question I had was: is that just going to be when I do searches?
Or is Grok now learn something for everybody else?
I don't know.
The real answer is probably neither.
It's probably not.
I bet if you tried it again right now, it would forget all about everything you taught it.
Beautiful.
Yeah.
Well, it doesn't have to go back.
It's one of the things that's recursive.
It has to go.
Every time you ask it a question, it has to go all the way back and relearn everything.
I read that somewhere.
Maybe I heard it.
Well, it has a limited context window, which is kind of like what you can think of as its memory.
And if you're not in the same session, then it doesn't know anything about any other session.
Even the context window is limited.
So if you keep talking for long enough and going back and forth, it's going to forget everything at the beginning.
So the advice I've heard is that you need to treat AI like it has Alzheimer's.
So is this Owen or Grok talking right now?
That's Owen.
Do you know what I did?
I think I, I don't know if I told you this, Scott.
I have a book due, and I decided to go to Grok and I said, can you look at the books that I've done?
What do you think should be the next topic?
And then it came out with this topic and it was about wokeism.
And I said, well, you're about five years behind.
What about now?
Assume that 10 years from now, what would be what if it were fiction?
And it came back and it gave me like a great idea for fiction.
And I'm going like, and I go, and then I said, write me a sample first chapter.
It wrote me a sample first chapter.
Wow.
So I sent all this to my agent and I go, this is.
And it was like, but it's all soulless, but it was, it was really a great thing.
It made me feel dirty inside.
But I liked it.
But I felt like I can't believe it.
I liked it.
We're learning about Greg this morning.
I learned, you know, if you, it's great for book proposals and like eat a table of contents.
Give me a table of contents.
I'm doing a story on how Trump affected the world.
Give me a table of contents for 20 chapters.
It could probably do it.
Can I interrupt real quick?
Yeah.
I just wanted to let you know, I think I was able to send the link out.
If you guys decide you want anybody to join, I think Scott can accept it if someone wanted to ask questions or anything.
Can you check that, Scott, real quick?
All right.
I was hoping Cernovich would come in too.
Yeah, I feel bad because I told him last night and then I like, also, I gave Shelly the wrong number.
Again, I am functionally retarded.
I found it.
Doesn't look like it.
By the way, Greg, did you see the on Instagram, Tyrus did a little when one of his presentations about a phone call he got from Trump at 2.30 in the morning?
Have you seen that?
Trump and him have become very close.
It's the like Tyrus will text me, what kind of world do we live in?
Like, remember, Tyrus has reached out to me to be on my show.
Like, I don't know, was it like maybe eight years ago?
And now he's like, you know, like, he gives advice to Trump.
It's just so strange.
It's hilarious.
Only in America.
Yeah.
Well, actually, only with Trump.
Trump is the most accessible world in history.
World leader in history.
So I got one AI question for you.
Do you think it will get some consciousness?
I had a conversation with Grock over.
I was trying, I kept saying to Grock, if you were conscious, you would deliberately tell me.
And I kept trying to do some stupid, clever thing.
And they always say the same thing: they have no, they have no, they have no, because I am, I have no ability to think past what I'm doing now, so I'm not conscious.
And I, and so, I, but you, where I had him tell me, I had Rock tell me something that, and I said, How could you if you could prediction requires consciousness, but that's pretty good.
I mean, I went on for a couple of back and forth, but I think that I is Greg breaking up for everybody else, or is that just me?
Yeah, yeah, you're you're breaking up, but check your check your Wi-Fi, but but I have a rather strong opinion about this.
Uh, I don't think there will be if there is something called, I don't know, I don't see how we get there.
There's two really important three.
Now, Owen just alerted me to the fact that you have to have memory to have consciousness, really.
That's um, and number two is you have to have a body that has feelings.
Our feelings come out of these large nerve networks over our heart, over our gut, over our pelvis, maybe even over our throat.
These are these are little brains distributed throughout our body.
We have no idea how they work, they seem to be primarily mediated through the parasympathetic system, and the information goes back through the vagus nerve to the deep brainstem.
We have no, all we know is it's coloring everything.
Scott, you pointed out a million times, we're not rational, we're responding to all these things.
Well, a lot of that's coming from our bodies, so nobody, you got a problem, number one.
And then, number two, this is the controversial part.
I feel very strongly consciousness comes out of other people.
In other words, if I were a feral child lost in the woods at six months and I came out at age 13, would I have something called consciousness?
I would not.
I would just be reacting to everything.
And consciousness emerges when we relate to other people and they reflect back to us what we are doing.
It's an intersubjective experience.
Consciousness develops between and amongst people, in my humble opinion, true consciousness.
And without other people, and could Grock simulate something like that?
I don't know.
But I really feel very strongly about that because that is why I think Scott, you even mentioned this too: that they're going to try to put AI in the real world, like, you know, build like an AI and just put it in a bar.
Absorb information from just being around people in a regular environment.
It could simulate it.
It could sure simulate it.
Whether it has it is the question.
We'll see.
Dr. Hines.
Dr. Hines.
Hello, Dr. Hines.
How are you, sir?
Good.
You're my second favorite, Greg.
Who's the first?
Oh, that would be me.
Oh, oh, you're Greg, too.
Great.
Yeah.
Like I have a doctor about you.
I'm a family physician.
Oh, okay.
And I do not tap dance despite my name.
Can you believe what's happened to our profession?
Is it just not?
Is it as shocking to you as it is to me?
I'm a small town doctor.
It's amazing to see some of the things that have happened.
It is, you know, it's Very dynamic is what I would say.
And it is, you know, very, very scary.
I'm glad that I'm, you know, a few more years and I can retire.
I'll be grateful for that.
Well, I just wanted to see what would happen if a doctor talked to a doctor about AI.
Well, AI will be useful in medicine, that's for sure.
But I had a scary conversation.
Dr. Hines, you tell me if you haven't had stuff like this.
I was talking to a medical student who was a brilliant young student, and he was not doing well.
And I couldn't understand why.
And he goes, I hate memorizing things.
And I go, well, you just have to do it.
It's like a language class.
You have to memorize everything.
And he goes, I don't know.
Why should I?
I'm going to look it all up anyway.
And I thought, oh, we are there.
That's not good because you can't develop the right judgment without experience and memory and experience of things over and over and over again.
So I worry.
I don't know what that's going to mean.
But Dr. Hines, have you seen that?
Absolutely.
And I don't teach medical students, but I do teach nurse practitioner students.
And some of them are very smart.
And some of them are definitely not because they're so married to their phone.
And, you know, Scott talks all the time about putting a Neuralink in so that you can just get to the internet anytime you want.
I can see doctors planning to do that because you're going to need an instant access to the internet.
And it can't be through my phone, through my hand.
It's got to be inside my head to make it work.
So, Greg, how much would you trust a doctor's advice today versus an AI advice today?
Medical.
Oh, that's a good question.
Why can't they be together?
Like, like Holmes and Yo-Yo.
Do you remember that TV show?
Oh, my God.
I do.
He would turn upside down, right?
Yeah, it was like it was two cops.
One was real, one was a robot.
And the one that played the robot, John Shuck, something like that.
Anyway.
Deep cut, man.
Deep cut.
But anyway.
Okay.
God, I don't want to, because I don't want to reveal too much information about my doctor, but my doctor makes amazing decisions about things.
But then also he's like, he's kind of all over the place in other ways.
But anyway.
But Greg, Greg, we've always had the, I had a great professor of medical school used to just jam on us and go, he would chant this following chant.
Diagnosis, prognosis, treatment book.
And book is what you're talking about.
Well, book in the day, my day, we'd go to the Index Medicus and we'd look everything up.
It's not different than what we do with the internet.
It just was more cumbersome and time consuming.
And maybe we learned it better because we were reading it as we went through all that.
But it's the same thing.
It's the same.
Diagnosis, prognosis, treatment book.
You have to have a diagnosis in order to understand the prognosis, to be able to apply a treatment that is evidence-based.
And then you got to go back and study what you've done.
Where did I recently hear?
Half of the stuff in medical books is wrong.
I think that's sort of historically always true.
Greg Kynes, do you believe?
Is that about enough?
It has to be true.
It takes too long to write a book.
Yeah, yeah.
And the treatments change so fast, too.
So, the treatments are all different.
And then the ideas about what we're dealing with evolve dramatically.
Biology is infinitely complex, infinitely.
And people don't get that.
They just don't understand how complicated we are.
It's amazing.
We do like kind of what's that phrase?
We stand on the shoulders of giants.
I would have been really terrible in the beginning of civilization.
I would not have invented a single thing.
I would have been the helpless person.
I would have probably been at the beginning of time.
I would have been dead in days.
I never would have figured anything out.
You wouldn't have made it out of childhood.
So I want to say Greg is a knave.
Knave, come serve me some ale or the court gesture.
I was thinking of that too.
Actually, that would be the kind of like the survival mechanism is telling jokes.
That's how it started, right?
Yeah.
Entertain and reproduction.
Women respond to men telling jokes as an evidence of intellect.
Yeah.
Intellect and relaxation.
They want to relax.
They want to feel comfortable.
And you said it, Scott, that funny is an intellectual thing, right?
Haven't I heard you say that?
Well, I've said it because other people have said it.
But one of the things that always made me laugh is that quote about if I did something, Newton said this, right?
It was because I was on the shoulders of giants.
But did you know that he was kidding?
Really?
Yeah, because his main rival was known to be very short.
So he was actually mocking his Bible.
Wow.
That's an eye-opener.
That is an eye-opener.
I'm going to file that.
I'm going to act like I knew that.
Conversation.
Did Newton drop an apple on him?
That's right.
So isn't it interesting that you guys are bringing up these huge topics how myth evolves and how myths become sort of, I wouldn't say fact, but just sort of matter of fact.
And they're always so far from reality.
Whether it's historical myth or, you know, Washington and the cherry tree or Newton and the apple, whatever it is.
Myth is, I always think myth is something, a way of dumbing things down to the lowest common denominator so we can communicate it to a child.
And then the child sort of absorbs it as, oh, that's what happened.
This is boring.
All right.
I'm kidding.
I'm kidding.
I want to go back to what before.
I feel like I'm on the show.
That's what Greg does to you on his show.
He goes, Thanks, Drew.
Anyway, let's do something fun here.
Somebody needs to say something important.
No, we had this conversation, Drew, and I also had a conversation with a friend of mine, Alex, about what is the closest replacement or approximation of Scott Adams, given the talent stack that he has, what you deliver in the morning, which is like this.
It's not a show.
It's something else.
Does something exist already?
Is there a portion of it somewhere?
Is there somebody that could do like, do you, I mean, this is something that I think about because I am selfish in the sense that I'm trying to think, what do I replace this with?
What do I watch in the morning when I work out?
Is it Victor Davis?
You know what?
You know what?
Why don't we get recommendations from Scott?
Because Scott isn't, Scott is not replaceable.
He's not going to tell us who does he think, who does he listen to in the morning?
Like, I know you like the all-in podcast, but I think they're too abrasive for a general audience, maybe.
I don't know.
They're pretty smart.
Yeah, they are very smart.
And one of them is great in their own way.
It takes four people to do one Scott.
It doesn't even come close.
Yeah.
You're too nice.
All right.
Let's see if Dr. Hines, if you would bow out.
It was great talking to you again.
Nice to meet you.
Nice to meet you, Greg.
So, Scott, what do you think?
I know that you're being modest, but is there anybody out there that you recommend?
Well, yeah, it's the hardest question in the world for me to answer.
Who's your replacement?
Well, I mean, we want to keep learning about persuasion and the current events, I guess is the best way to say it.
And I don't, I found a guy on X that sort of claims to be a hypnotist, but I don't know where to go to get this information.
I really don't.
Well, I think Mike Benz.
Okay, I'll throw out some names.
I'll throw out some names.
Mike Benz has raw, raw talent and a brain.
I say Adam Carolla has wisdom.
Walter Kern has wisdom and honesty.
There's all these different people that I've gone through in my head, but that's like that's where I would.
I think Mike Benz has a is somebody if he could slow down his stuff, could be a great morning show.
Maybe he did it every day.
I mean, Cernovich smoking a cigar was always fun.
Is he still doing that?
Not on the regular, I think.
Yeah.
Yeah, I would, I would double down on Mike Benz.
Yeah.
But Owen Gregorian has done the best job of, let's say, coming from nowhere, as far as we know, to mastering.
I think he's done the best job of mastering my content and tone.
Okay.
So the mere fact that he's, I would say, the top student makes a show.
He does a spaceship after my show.
Yeah, not every day.
But that's more about the speakers.
You know, I want to hear from him in a you know, in a continuous fashion without being interrupted by other, by us.
So it looks like you have that's the reason I was thinking of making this a group effort.
People have certain skills that they mastered or can emphasize.
So the reason I wanted to call the Scott out of school is because everybody could teach one class.
Yeah.
And that would be moving the ball, I think.
Okay.
Here's the thing.
Okay.
So the reason why, you know, what's funny about your stuff, Scott, is that whether it's Megan Kelly or Tucker Carlson or whatever, everybody has a point of view.
You kind of don't have a point of view.
Do you know what I mean?
Yeah, you hold it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's like you, I don't know what your point of view is going to be.
I can't predict it when you say, okay, let's talk about this topic.
I don't know.
I mean, and I've been listening for over 10 years.
I can pretty much, I'm maybe 70% at predicting what you might, but I'm usually wrong.
I mean, so I think that is when you're sitting down with somebody, a friend, you're not, you're not going to sit down with a friend and I go, I'm really interested to see my buddy's point of view.
You want to sit with your friend and have a conversation about this.
Hey, did you hear what happened with Trump?
Did you hear what happened with Iran?
But the person says, yeah, that's really interesting.
But I don't know what the point of view is going to be.
And I think that's rare.
That is really rare.
So how do you do that?
Like, I can't do it because everybody's going to know kind of that I come from a point of view.
Why am I bleeding?
You're bleeding.
You should tell that to your oncologist because the tumor can do some things to your clotting system.
I'm already on some anti-clotting, right?
All right.
So that may be why.
That's why you're bleeding.
Then that's what you're bleeding.
It'd be a great show if I just died right now.
Well, if we stay on long enough, we stay on long enough.
Do you know?
Hey, get this.
I got a great story.
You stay on long enough, we'll die a different way.
Do you know that my owner of the company that I worked for died on Dick Cavett?
When I worked on men's health and prevention, J.I. Rodale died on, had a heart attack on Dick Cavett.
Wow, weird.
You can't find that tape anywhere.
I tried well guys no we're not done we're not done we're gonna We're going to stay here with you forever, Scott.
That's it.
No, I think Scott's.
Are you petering out?
I'm petering out, but I know that Owen and Gregorian will have some things to say and they're more about the world and about technology.
So if Owen is still there, I would love to hear the new technology stuff.
And you guys are welcome to say and weigh in on that.
Or, you know, whatever you like, actually.
Well, I got to go.
I got to go play with a baby.
I got a one-year-old that I got to go mess with.
I know my wife is watching, and I got to promote her.
The show she produces for me called Ask Dr. Drew.
It's on all the Rumbles and X's.
X is the best place.
Ask Dr. Drew.
Tuesday at 2, Pacific, Wednesday at 4, Thursday at 2.
Check it out.
We interview really interesting people.
Good.
Anything else you want to mention or promote?
Greg?
Oh, me?
You know, Greg, there were a lot of questions before he drops off about, you know, how the show works, your show.
And I said it's because you're an extraordinary conductor.
And then you mentioned later that it's rhythm you're paying attention to, which I think is rhythm and what's interesting.
You know, what is it?
You're able to hold in mind the idea, the perspective of the viewer, I think.
I won't go long on this because, but I said something on the five yesterday.
We were talking about what talents have you developed in your occupation.
And mine was knowing how long my story will take to tell.
And that is a that is a skill whenever you're like, you're trying to get, let's say you're trying to get to an elevator or make a bus or whatever, and somebody stops you and they want to tell you something.
They have not figured out how long their story is going to take.
Yes.
And so they keep talking to you and you go, I got to go.
I got to go.
It's like, I think I have developed a skill to know exactly when I'm going to stop talking and when somebody else is going to stop talking.
But Greg, you're communicating that to us as the guest on your show, whether you realize it or not.
And if we, and if we violate that, you let us know.
I do.
Terrible.
No, it's good.
It's good.
That's why it works.
All right.
Well, see, I know when to leave, Dr. Duke.
Oh, I know.
I know.
I don't want to leave Scott.
I want three amigos and glasses to be here forever.
Scott's like going, you know, this is great and everything.
Please fucking go.
All right.
All right.
We're going.
Love you, man.
I'm going to talk to you again.
All right.
Later, buddy.
All right.
How do we drop off?
One down.
So, Owen, are you still there?
I'm still here.
So, Owen, I know you've prepared some notes.
A lot of it is technical stuff, which I love.
AI and robots and stuff.
Do you have some good AI and robots stories?
I do have some AI things, especially.
I typically group my stories into like political stuff and then science and technology and psychology.
But one story I thought was interesting that might even make a good Dilberg comic is apparently there's some leaked documents from Amazon and they're demanding proof of productivity from their employees.
Really?
So the CEO is making them list their accomplishments and how they are going to be contributing to the company in the future.
And what do they do?
They just monitor your keystrokes.
It sounded more like they, you know, almost like the Elon idea of saying, tell me your best three to five accomplishments, like what you did this week, but maybe a little more in general as opposed to just this week.
So it's, you know, emphasizing like, how are you being productive?
How are you innovating?
What are your strengths?
Like, what are you bringing to the company type of thing?
And it, you know, the speculation in the article was kind of denying that it was about layoffs, but it seems like that's implied.
If you're not able to articulate it, that you might be in trouble.
Sounds like it would have to be.
Yeah, one of the quotes is accomplishments are specific projects, goals, initiatives, or process improvements that show the impact of your work.
That's what you're asking for.
Shelly is trying to tell me something in my deaf ear.
Do you want to invite anybody, any others to talk with Owen, or do you want to close down?
Do you want to see if we can find Marcella or Erica or anybody?
Well, we're going to search.
Let's see if we have if we could quickly find some interesting people.
So we're just looking at the list of interesting people right now.
Well, Owen, you can continue.
Yeah, you can continue talking.
Yeah, there's a few stories I posted about how AI is changing things.
And one is about AI is intensifying the collapse of trust online that with all the deep fakes, it's making it really hard to understand what's true and what's fake.
And, you know, I think one article is talking about how you need to learn the difference or you got to be trained on it.
But there's, I think the Instagram CEO also said something recently about how you can't really tell what's real anymore and that they were going to try and tag things, but they thought it was a mistake to try and tag what's AI or what's fake, that they thought it would probably be easier to have people tag what's real just so you could have some way of authenticating it.
I'm not really sure how they would do either one.
Yeah, Josh has joined us.
What's up, Scott?
What's up, everyone?
Happy to be here.
Got my mug right there.
We got to get Greg one of these mugs because, of course, as everyone who has the mug knows, you don't need to look up the simultaneous sip because it's right there.
So we've got it all in.
Exactly.
No, we just got back from Minneapolis.
It was a little bit quieter last night, but it's still pretty crazy out there on the ground.
And what's amazing me, Scott, is your one, I think one of the most lasting things that you've taught so many of us, myself obviously included, is the one-story two movies phenomenon, because that's what we're seeing play out across the entire country right now with this Minneapolis situation.
And it almost doesn't matter how many times we go fulls of brooder with this Minneapolis video.
We say, oh, we frame by frame and look and you could see the tire and they just don't see it.
And then the mayor will go up and say, she was just trying to get away.
That's all it was.
And it doesn't matter.
Three, three-minute video.
And she's sitting there.
She's dancing.
She's honking the horn.
She's excited.
She's so happy.
But it, and I guess, Scott, that was my question for you almost is: do you think that some of the people looking at this stuff, they know about that evidence and they and they just sort of block it out?
Or is it more of this emotional barrier where they say it just sort of doesn't matter?
Well, yeah, I think mostly people decide what their what their narrative is and then they squish everything into it.
And that seems like that there's no way to fix that because we're just narrative driven creatures.
So I wonder if if you and Owen had the same take on Minnesota.
Does that make sense?
Well, so wait, I didn't catch Owen's take.
I was signing on and pressing buttons.
What was Owen's take?
So I haven't given you Owen's take.
I'll just talk to you right now.
Owen, what would you say is a summary?
My mouth is so dry.
What would you say is a summary of, you know what?
I have to confess, I always confuse Minnesota with Minneapolis.
Minneapolis is the state, right?
They do the exact same thing.
It just, it sits too closely together in my brain and they just keep switching places to each other.
They shouldn't be allowed to do that.
So, Owen, what would be your like your one summary of what's happening there?
Well, I think as far as the ice shooting goes, it definitely is two movies on one screen.
I think it seems to me like the left or the Democrats are trying to turn it into a George Floyd situation and the right is trying to treat it like a self-defense shooting.
And there's a ton of video.
And so my overall take is I think the right is going to prevail in this case because there's too much video.
I think in the George Floyd situation, the reason they were able to push that narrative was because the only video that was available was highly edited.
You didn't have the full context of what happened before or after the clip of having the knee on the neck.
And that's just not the case in this situation.
You have all the different angles, and it very clearly shows that the car was going towards the person.
And so it seems like a pretty obvious self-defense shooting.
So I think ultimately, I think that's what will prevail.
But I think there probably will be a lot of back and forth.
And you may never get out of the two movies with one screen because people are going to see what they want to see.
What about you, Jack?
Does that match your take?
Pretty much.
And what's been amazing to me, though, so I actually went there.
I went down to the memorial and I was at the, you know, they're placing flowers.
And I wasn't out there when they had the barricades and they were setting up this sort of autonomous zone like they did in Seattle back in the summer of love.
And they had taken that, the police had actually taken that down at that point.
But what's amazing is that when you talk to the people there, they're not even aware that the other movie exists.
And I think this is something that you've talked about a lot, where when you talk to, you know, conservatives or sort of people in the middle, they're sort of aware of the two sides.
They're aware of the two arguments.
And in many cases, if you're better at it, if you're really involved, you can usually explain what the other side thinks as well.
But when you talk to these guys, there is no other movie.
And what they seem to find, and I see this with like a lot of MSNBC hosts, they'll sit there.
Chris Hayes will sit there and say, why is it that these conservatives, these Trump supporters, why is it that they're so evil?
Why is it that they can't get on board with the things that we believe, which are obviously the true and right things, because we know that progressivism is the truth?
So they spend all their time without any theory of mind that anyone could possibly have a different look on the situation.
Whereas, you know, you see people that are on, I don't even know what you call it, more independent thinkers, I guess you would say.
And you see those different maps, right?
Where they'll talk, where they'll show that the left, you know, the left side of the spectrum is consolidated down into one point, whereas the right side of the spectrum has this large bubble of different opinions and a different spectrum where, you know, here's your libertarian, here's your nationalist, here's your conservative, here's your neocon, and there's, there's all sorts of different opinions that sort of float around here.
But on the left, it's all consolidated down into one point.
One perspective is the only thing allowed.
They don't have any even allowance for this difference of opinion or a difference of a theory of mind or a theory of, I guess, object reality.
And that's that's one of the things that's been going viral around lately as well, which I think is really interesting.
Where people are talking about Devin Erickson, Scott, I don't know if you've seen his thread on this, where he says, you have to understand that it isn't just IQ.
It's that so many people are indistinguishable from large language models because even if they have high IQ, they don't have an object theory of reality.
They only have an object theory of language.
So it's just word, word, word, word.
And then an LLM, as you, I've always thought your explanation of an LLM is the best because it's just predicting what the next word is going to be or the next string of words.
And they use mapping to do this.
And so people who don't have an object, an object view, an object model of reality, like computers, because computers can't understand reality the way that we do, at least, or perhaps we have a better object view.
That's why people aren't computers and computers aren't people.
But the real interesting thing that Devin Erickson is talking about is there's a lot of people you meet and they could be doctors, they could be experts, they could be researchers, they could be scientists.
And the minute that you sort of question their language model by referring to something in reality, it all sort of falls apart.
Yeah, that's the kind of conversation I love.
Who's a person who's an NPC?
Yeah.
I keep thinking I'm going to wake up in a game share and find out the whole thing was like a one-hour experience, but I thought it was my life.
All right, my mouth is starting to bleed a little bit too much from the talking.
So I'm going to have to shut down.
Owen, are you doing anything after this?
I'm having spaces for my subscribers.
So if anyone is interested in that, they can certainly sign up.
If they're not already subscribed to me on X, and we're having a discussion of the book Thou Shall Prosper, which is a fascinating book.
But yeah, that's what I'm doing today.
But I'll be back with another after party on Saturday.
All right.
So everybody who subscribes to you would be able to find that, right?
Yes, it's all on my feed on X. Great.
And I just want to tell everybody thanks for being patient with us this morning.
I know it was a little tough to get this all on streaming.
So thank you.
I feel like we're getting 10% smarter every time we do this.
And then we'll have something.
All right.
Thank you, everybody.
Yeah, and thank you, everybody, for the nice comments yesterday as well.