Episode 935 Scott Adams: Talking Questions About Clorox and Lysol
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Content:
Democrats STILL believe the news is real (yes, I'm serious)
David Pakman's cognitive dissonance sets in
Words aren't meant to be taken literally
Is Kim Jong-Un dead?
Asthma medication Singulair might fight coronavirus
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I'll tell you, I could not be more fascinated by this whole Clorox, Lysol, fake news thing.
It's really, it's a jaw-dropper.
Because apparently, Pierce Morgan actually believes that the President was wondering aloud I've been corrected to not say that people think the President recommended it, but rather to use a more accurate phrase that he wondered aloud about,
according to the gullible people, he wondered aloud about injecting Clorox and Lysol into your body to fight coronavirus, which is not a thing, if anybody's listening.
It's not a thing.
It will probably kill you, almost certainly kill you.
So don't do that.
It's also the reason that anybody with a half-functioning brain should have known that whatever he was saying, which was admittedly unclear, your sense of how the world works should have led you to wonder, hey, I wonder if I'm hearing this correctly.
Maybe the context is different than what I think.
And so I got into a little back and forth just before I got on.
With David Pakman.
You may know him as an anti-Trumper, but the weird thing is he's actually reasonably smart, and he thinks that the president was wondering aloud, his phrase, he believes the president was wondering aloud about injecting Clorox and Lysol into bodies.
How can you be smart and think that?
How can you even How could you have an IQ over 100 and think the president said that?
Well, the answer is that the left still believe the news.
Did you see some survey, it might have been Rasmussen or somebody, was saying that Democrats still believe the news, that the news is accurate?
Not all of them, of course.
I thought that we left that place a long time ago.
I thought nobody thought that the news was legitimate.
Now the best thing that the news does is that they create a problem and then they assign the problem and blame Trump.
Now Trump created the opportunity for a problem by communicating unclearly and he probably should not have been talking about medical stuff even in the hypothetical.
I think we'd all agree on that.
But suppose Suppose the public had simply watched what he said, and then there were no pundits, no news people to tell people what to think about it.
I don't think anybody would have watched that and said, I'm going to go try mainlining Clorox.
I don't think they would have.
I think they would have just said, I don't know what he's talking about, but obviously he doesn't mean...
I don't know what he's talking about, but the one thing that's obvious...
He's not talking about putting bleach and isopropyl alcohol into your body on your own.
He's definitely not saying that, but of course the news reported that he was saying that.
And if the news says that he's wondering aloud about doing this ridiculous thing, who believes it?
Well, it turns out that almost nobody on the right believes it except Pierce Morgan.
Piers Morgan actually believed this happened.
I mean, you can look at the transcript, and then you can hear later, he did a bad job of explaining it at the time, but once you hear about the UV light being used as a disinfectant and it is injected into the body, maybe not the right word, but it's injected down your trachea, once you know the context, it's obvious that's what he was talking about.
How could you still cling to the fact that you think he was wondering about injecting bleach and isopropyl alcohol?
Amazing. There's a fairly predictable thing that happens when you get into a conversation with people about this.
It goes like this, and it happened with Pac-Man.
Pacman, I guess, had been watching me debate this online, and he tweets this.
He says, Scott, I would take the loss on this one and move on.
It's getting cringy.
Really? I don't know how much harder I could win.
Is it cringy that I'm calling out other people for hallucinating something that didn't happen?
Is that cringy?
So, I... So I asked him if he would say directly that he believes the President was recommending Clorox and isopropyl shots.
Because I asked him, would you say that in public?
Would you say directly, I watched the President and it seemed to me that he was recommending Clorox and Lysol shots?
And how did David Pakman respond?
He argued with the recommending part.
That's not really the active part of the problem here.
So he said, no, not recommending, that he wondered aloud, which of course would be bad enough.
Now, I accept wondering aloud as a better description.
I feel that that would be fair to say, yeah, wondering aloud would be better than recommending in terms of describing it.
Instead of arguing the point, which is that the president was or was not talking about bleach and isopropyl going into your body, Pacman retreats to arguing about whether it was recommended or whether he was wondering aloud.
Do you see what's happening?
You wouldn't be arguing about the word recommended versus wondering aloud.
You wouldn't argue that unless you already knew that you'd lost the debate on whether it happened.
So whether you describe it as recommending it or wondering aloud, it doesn't matter because it literally never happened.
Neither of those things happened.
There was nothing that happened.
So how you describe the thing that didn't happen is somewhat irrelevant.
So anyway, then he decided that once he had completely lost the debate in public, he did what everybody does when cognitive dissonance sets in.
He attacked the messenger and decided that he should not talk to me because I'm a bad faith actor.
That didn't go well, so if you want to see my curse-laden response to him, you can see that on the tweet.
I won't say it out loud. Here's the thing that people say when they get caught believing some fake news.
How many times have you heard this?
But the president literally said that.
You heard it about the fine people hoax?
He literally said it.
I heard it. He literally said it.
If somebody is defending their point of view by saying that somebody literally said something, that means they don't understand how words work.
Because words don't work literally.
That's not how words work, I mean, unless it's a legal contract, I suppose.
When people talk, their words are not to be taken literally.
If you don't understand that words are not meant literally, typically, it's the normal way we talk, you don't really understand anything.
That's pretty basic, right?
If I say, man, politics are killing me today, Did I literally say that politics are literally killing me?
Or is it obvious in context?
I don't literally mean it's killing me.
So, words are not to be taken literally, and anybody who imagines that is not working at a very high level.
Now, at the same time that CNN is reporting that The president wondered aloud about, depending on who's talking about, either drinking bleach or injecting it, of course, is not really being covered as a major story on Fox.
They talk about it as a story, but it's just sort of a major, you know, sort of, we talked about it, now we'll move on.
But on CNN, it's all they have.
It's like their main thing.
But on Fox, they're talking about how CNN is not covering the other story.
Which is that Biden's accuser, Tara Reid, the one who said that Biden metooed her back in the 90s, apparently there was some evidence or had been suggested that Tara Reid's mother had once called Larry King on the air and mentioned that her daughter, who was not named in the call, had some issues at work with a powerful person.
And believe it or not, that transcript was found after all these years.
And sure enough, Larry King took a call at about that time from a woman who said that her daughter was having some problems with getting MeToo'd, not using those words, by somebody powerful.
So it's looking like the Tara Reade claim against Biden is Kind of picking up strength, if you know what I mean.
And it's pretty amazing that it's not being covered on CNN. It's amazing, really.
How come we're not pardoning Flynn and Stone already?
Why is that taking so long?
You know that's going to happen, right?
I mean, it has to happen.
I don't know if it's commute or pardon or what the right words are, but I think those guys are not going to go to jail.
Or at least get out of jail.
Is Kim Jong-un dead?
So that's the big story.
Is he? Now, the thing that's fascinating about North Korea is that North Korea can go a week with the whole world wondering if their leader is dead, and they're still not willing to confirm or deny it.
Can you imagine any other country in the world in which there's a rumor about your leader is dead and you don't immediately go on television and say, oh, no, he's fine.
Here he is. Or to go on television and say, yeah, you know, you got us.
He's dead. We're doing the best we can.
Well, what's up with that?
Why does North Korea not even admit it?
It could be that they don't want civil unrest in North Korea, but allegedly China is sending some doctors over there, but why would they send doctors if he's already dead, which would suggest he's in some kind of a vegetative coma situation or something.
They're thinking that Kim Jong-un's sister might be the one to take over.
Now, here are the things I wonder.
Question number one, is North Korea the kind of culture where a woman can be their leader?
I don't know the answer to that question.
Is North Korea a place where a woman can just become leader and everybody just says, okay, now our leader is a woman?
Or is it a place where they would say, what?
A woman for a leader?
We can't do that. So I'd like to get some visibility on that question.
The other thing I wonder is, does the sister have blood on her hands?
Does anybody know? Oh, acquittals is the word I should have used about Flynn and Stone, I guess.
Is this the second hoax this year in the last 12 months that involved bleach?
Because you got the Jussie Smollett thing, that involved bleach, and now you've got this one.
It's like, why does bleach become two major fake news stories?
That's weird. Anyway, so if Kim Jong-un's sister does not have blood on her hands, does that give us an opportunity?
And here's why I ask.
The hardest thing about being a brutal dictator is that you can't retire.
How would you retire?
If you're a brutal dictator, And even if you wanted your country to become a democratic country, you can't retire because you've killed so many people to be a dictator that you're going to be jailed or killed or, you know, you're going to get the Qaddafi treatment.
So I've always thought there should be some way to remove a dictator without killing them so that they could say, oh, I'm just going to the island of retired dictators where I'll live like a Live like a god for the rest of my life?
Okay. That's better than being killed.
I'll take it. But in this case, if Kim Jong-un has health problems or he's dead, and his sister takes over, what if she doesn't have any blood on her hands?
Maybe she does, so I guess that would be the first thing to find out.
But if she doesn't, And when I say doesn't, I mean if she's just not being directly blamed for having somebody killed.
Maybe you could stretch and say, well, she's part of the regime, so they all have blood grants.
But if she's not directly tied to her personally, doesn't that give her the opportunity to retire?
And by retire, I mean, could she not say, look, I'm going to do what's best for North Korea?
And that might mean some kind of a...
Merger with South Korea, maybe very slowly over a long period, but I would like to retire from the dictator business.
I don't have any blood on my hands, so I could just retire and become an elite living in the country that would be much better because it combined with South Korea.
I wouldn't rule out that the sister being in charge could be the key to unlocking the whole thing.
It seems unlikely. If you had to guess what will happen, she probably would be battling for power.
Who knows how long that will take before somebody emerges who can consolidate power.
Is the leader really in charge or is it going to be the military?
There are a million things that could go wrong, but there's at least one thing that could go right, which is if you shake the box, maybe you get a leader who just says, I'm not really that warlike.
I wouldn't mind just working stuff out.
It's possible. It's possible.
We could just work stuff out after this.
The FCC has recommended revoking four Chinese telecom companies' licenses, and you know there's going to be more of that.
Somebody says, oh please, she's feared.
Well, I would imagine she'd be feared, but there would have to be also a specific story of something that she did that wasn't tied to Kim Jong-un.
Just have an excuse.
I'm not saying that she's clean.
I'm saying that maybe you can make a story that she has, which would give you some new options.
I don't see anything that could change the fact that China is in a lot of trouble.
Meaning that I think the United States will be decoupling.
I think we'll disconnect our internet from China.
At some point, I think we won't even be connected to their internet.
That's possible. Maybe that's unlikely, but it's possible.
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Kanye says he has over $3 billion net worth and Forbes says it was over $1 billion, but in any case, he's a billionaire.
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So that would be exciting.
So there's some anecdotal reports that that might be kind of good.
All right. I want to take questions from anybody who believes that the president was wondering aloud And I want to only do these questions to see if, maybe there's nobody who wants to argue this, because I wouldn't, if I had that position, I wouldn't want to argue it in public.
But let's say there is.
So I'm only going to look for people, so if you've gotten in line to ask me a question, please take yourself out of the queue, unless you want to argue with me, and take the side that Trump was wondering aloud about injecting Clorox and other disinfectants.
So I'm only looking for that.
All right. Let's see who is on here.
Alright, so I figure the first few people may not be wanting to argue that, so if I add you and you don't want to make that argument, I might cut it short, but I'm not trying to be rude.
Alright, guest, can you hear me, guest?
Hello, can you hear me?
Yes, I can hear you, Nikolai.
Yeah, is our connection good?
Say something else.
Yes, I think I could do it.
Okay.
Now, are you here to talk about the Clorox and Lysol?
Yes, in a way.
I watched the conference live, and in the beginning, of course, I thought that he made a reference to Disney 2nd somehow.
He did make a reference to two different kinds of disinfectants.
Go ahead. And in the end, watching the journalist not having any reaction on the spot, and then there was a question later on from a journalist.
I could tell that maybe somebody from the studio was telling him, please go ahead, ask a question for him.
Yeah, you know, you're right.
I do think that they're connected, at least by text, to some kind of producers or whatever who tell them what questions to ask.
But clearly this was manufactured news.
But you don't believe that he was actually wondering aloud about using Clorox inside a person, right?
I don't believe that works.
We've got a little bit of a hearing problem here, so I'm going to disconnect that call.
Nothing personal.
All right, let's see if Susan is here to debate.
Susan, can you hear me?
Susan? Hey.
Susan, are you here to talk about Clorox and Lysol?
Yeah. This one for me, I feel like it really, it's the last straw when it comes to the media and how destructive they can be in this kind of situation.
Trump, as I've watched him, I see that he has this stream of consciousness kind of conversation out loud.
He has lots of good ideas, but anytime someone does that, there's a lot of bad ideas, you know, that sort of come out of your mouth, realize what you said.
Right. Having said that, there are situations where UV light is used medically as a disinfectant, not internally at this point, but there are respiratory aerosol medications that are used.
For instance, in the case of RSV, respiratory syncytial virus.
Now, not Clorox and not Lysol, but I see him free associating, gee, could we Come up with a drug that could get right into the lungs.
Are you aware that they've already invented and are testing UV light that literally is stuck down your trachea as part of a ventilator intubation?
And so they are actually...
It's patented already, and they're going to test it if they're not already.
They're already talking about using light internally in at least your trachea, if not your lungs, and disinfecting that way.
Yeah, actually, I think that's a great idea because then you don't have a chemical that your liver has to detoxify.
So, you know, I really think enough is enough.
And I think we all know and trust that Trump is smart enough not to tell anybody to mainline Lysol and Clorox.
So, you know, I'm just done with all of this destructive kind of wasted time with these kind of stories.
And I think it's counterproductive.
Yeah, I agree.
All right. Thank you for the call.
Thanks. All right.
I'll bet nobody is going to want to actually debate me on this in public, but I might get lucky because I'm kind of curious how somebody will respond once they hear the actual context.
Hello, caller. Can you hear me?
Can you hear me? Hi, Scott.
How are you doing? I'm good.
How are you? Yeah, not too bad.
I'm calling you here from Arlington County Cork.
Okay. Now, did you believe the president was wondering aloud about putting Clorox and Lysol inside the bodies?
Well, I was just watching a video of Tim Poole and he says that Trump had been given advice about injecting or inhaling disinfectant into the lungs He had been hearing that advice not long before the press conference.
Yeah, there are a number of therapies in which some kind of a mist will be the right, but there are things which you can inhale And in other contexts, they use them. Now, the question of whether those would be called disinfectants, or they would simply have the effect of doing something good that lets your body get rid of the virus, I think is sort of a technical question.
But certainly light is a disinfectant, and he did show that he knows that that could be put in the body.
And if he was speaking more generally about something that could be put in the body to disinfect You're right.
At worst, he was using a word in a non-specifically medical term because we don't know if those things would be disinfectants or would they just be useful.
But it doesn't matter.
The only thing that matters is nobody believes he was talking about putting household products down your body.
That would be ridiculous.
I think Tim Poole did a link to You might visit his YouTube channel, he did a link to a medical journal where they are, let's say, inhaling hydrogen chloroxide, which would be similar to bleach.
Yes, and I read that in some settings, that's a thing that already exists, exactly like...
I think, apparently, no, I can't say, but apparently Trump was listening to this and the UV light treatment.
And that maybe he, you know, he simplified it in his own Trump way, which is fine, and that he, you know, he might have got himself into trouble is kind of the way I look at it.
Yeah, certainly he should not have been speculating in that medical domain.
There's no way that could have gone well.
But it is also true, the weird thing is that he got in trouble For actually demonstrating in public that he knows more than the public knows about the options.
Yes. Because everything he said was actually medically sound.
He just used layperson terms for them.
All right. Thanks for the call.
Thanks, Scott. Bye. All right.
I'll bet I'll find nobody who's actually willing to debate me.
Let's see if there's anybody who looks like a I'm going to see if I can find anybody who looks like a Democrat at least.
Does anybody look like a Democrat?
Alright, I'm going to try this one.
This would be a lucky guess.
Alright, Blackguard, can you hear me?
Can you hear me? Hey Scott, pleasure to meet you.
Hi, nice to meet you.
You're here to talk about Clorox and Lysol?
Yeah, and I'm not a Democrat, but one of the things that concerned me was that recently, and I think it was yesterday, Trump was having a briefing in the Oval Office, and there was a reporter that asked him to clarify his comments about injections of disinfectants.
Right. And Trump's response was that he was being sarcastic.
So I wonder if that makes this argument a little bit more difficult on his side.
Well, I've not met anybody on the left or the right who thought that was a true statement, that he believed he was being sarcastic or that he was being sarcastic.
So given that nobody believes that's true, You'd have to assume that he was just trying to make the question go away in his Trump-like way, which he succeeded in doing.
Because the last thing he wanted was to engage on the question.
Because anything he said would be the next news cycle about some other thing he said unclearly about medical stuff.
So I think he probably...
I got the feeling, especially because he ended the press conference early without questions.
I got the feeling...
He got the message that non-medical people talking about medical stuff is never going to go well.
I think this is just a guess.
I think he probably just looked at the odds and said, okay, risk management.
If I do this again, there's no upside.
There's no upside.
But there's lots of downside because I could be taken out of context again.
So why don't I just say it was sarcastic, nobody will believe me, but I'll just stick with it and I don't have to talk about it.
I said this last night on Periscope, it was the Rosie O'Donnell You know, in the first debate when he was asked about his bad comments about women in general, and instead of answering the question, he said only Rosie O'Donnell, which was a ridiculous answer that nobody, not his supporters, believed.
It just was completely non-believable.
But it was so interesting and weird that it made the real question go away.
He just took all the attention away.
So when he said it was sarcastic, I think everybody said, and my follow-up question is, I don't even know what to do with that.
What do you do with that?
Because you know it's not true, but he's acting like it's true, so you can't ask a follow-up question.
There's nothing to do. Well, he's just going to say it was sarcastic again.
I have nothing else to do.
So, I can't read his mind.
I think he just wanted the topic to go away, and he succeeded in not getting any more quotes on medical topics.
Yeah. Anyway, it was not his finest week, but certainly the things he's being accused of are not true either.
All right, thanks for the call. Thanks.
Come on, we can get one person to argue this.
How about this person who is not fake news?
Hello, not fake news, are you there?
Sounds like you're cooking.
Are you cooking breakfast? Yes, I am.
I hear bacon. Is that bacon?
No, I'm just cooking...
Alright, well, whatever you're cooking.
Did you want to talk about Clorox and Lysol?
Did I lose you? I think you tried to mute your phone and lost me instead.
Let's try... Let's try it.
Man, I want somebody who's going to argue with me.
I really can't get anybody to argue with me today.
Let's see somebody who looks really like a Democrat.
I don't know who looks like a Democrat, but Frank doesn't have a profile picture, so let's try Frank.
Now, Frank, Frank, Frank is not going to work either.
Let's try this. Let's try...
Benjamin. Benjamin.
Benjamin. And he goes away too.
So it looks like...
I don't know if this is a technical problem or if everybody's getting shy.
Let's try Gabby. Nope.
And she went away.
Let's try Mystic.
Mystic Deanna, are you there?
I'm good. How are you?
Do you have a Lysol related Clorox question?
Yes. And I think it was just something like an oversight, sarcasm kind of thing.
You know, I don't think he actually thinks that people should use that.
And I can't believe people take that so seriously.
Well, I'm trying to get anybody to say in public that they personally believe he said that.
Because if you really nail him down and say, okay, I know you're saying that you think other people will think he said that, but what about you?
I'm trying to find somebody who will say in public, yes, my name is John.
I believe he said we should inject Clorox into our veins.
I want to see somebody say that.
I can't say that because I didn't hear it that way.
Well, I'm with you.
I am more left-wing too, so you would expect me to answer differently, but I do understand Trump's ways and I think he's funny.
Alright. Well, thank you.
Thanks for the call. Yeah, thank you.
I'm going to get somebody who will argue with me.
I know I can do it.
How about Rebelle?
Is it Rebelle?
Rebelle? Rebelle?
Are you there? Rebelle?
Hello? Can you hear me?
Rebelle? Okay.
Join not to ask, sorry.
Hi. Now, are you here because you thought the president was wondering aloud about Clorox and Lysol injections?
No, I just think he was confusing as most of the times his words are confusing.
Yeah, it was definitely confusing.
So I can't find anybody here.
But why did he have to go into that confusion?
I know this is not the argument that you're Well, he's told us directly, I think.
He said that he is sort of reflexively optimistic.
And he likes to put out, you know, potential things that could be answers.
So he likes the creativity of it.
He said that he's actually interested in the, you know, the science and the medical part.
He has a genuine interest in the field.
So he talks about things he's interested in.
And he talks about things that could be, in an optimistic world, answers.
So he's already said that he talks about potential answers.
Potential solutions, even if they're not known to be solutions.
So it's just more of that.
But I think everybody agrees at this point it was a bad idea.
I think somehow I see similarities into the Fauci firing that he retweeted and he said, I like controversy, confusion.
Well, he does, because whenever it's a confusing world, he's the He's the person who's got the most power because he has the biggest signal.
So if everybody else is confused, whoever is making the most noise is going to get the most attention.
All right. Thank you.
Although you pronounced my name correctly, strangely.
Oh, okay. All right.
Thank you, Nicole. All right.
So it looks like I'm not going to find anybody to argue with me over that.
And that's about all I have for today.
So, somebody says, Scott, you are a shill.
So, at love this one, so you say, Scott, you are a shill.
Would you be willing to come on and discuss that?
So, I'll give you a moment.
I will put you on live and you can give me your argument for why I'm a shill, which would necessarily require you to make points instead of attacking me personally.
Because you notice that every time I move the left into a cognitive dissonance place, they accuse me of being a bad faith actor or a shill.
Because that's what you do when you run out of argument.
Well, I'm out of argument, so that guy talking must be bad.
So, I love this.
Let's see if you've added yourself as a potential guest.
It doesn't seem you're willing to say that to me in public.
Huh. So surprising.
Yeah. All right.
That's it for me. I got nothing else apparently that's entertaining, so I will talk to you tonight.