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Dec. 12, 2021 - Roosh V - Daryush Valizadeh
03:11:28
Roosh Hour #72 - Winter Call-In Special
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Oh, I was bird watching.
I thought I'd interrupt that to do a live stream.
Welcome to Ruch Hour number 72.
It is December 11th, 2021.
And I'm not going to do a new show today because there's just the same old demonic stuff.
I really don't care right now what gays are doing and what Bill Gates and Klaus Schwab and his friends are doing.
That'll be on the next stream.
So today we're going to do a call-in show, which I may regret more than doing a new show.
So I'm going to take your calls starting now.
And the call-in number, let me pop it up on the screen, is right here.
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Anyway, the call-in number is in the description box.
So if you're on Cozy, just go below my video and you can get the call-in number there.
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Okay, so the call-in number.
And without wasting any more time, let's get to the first caller.
We have a few that are on hold.
All right.
Caller, you're now live.
Caller?
Oh, wait, hold on, hold on.
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Okay, caller.
Go now.
Is this Rauschbass?
Yes, it is.
How are you doing?
Pretty good.
How about you?
And where are you calling from?
I'm calling from Southeast Louisiana.
Louisiana, nice.
Nice.
Yeah, that's where everyone down there calls me Roosh Bass.
Rouchbass.
That's right.
Well, and then Venom is Rauch, right?
Raush.
That's right.
Yeah, I was disappointed you didn't stop in New Orleans.
I know you.
Actually, I did stop there.
I did stop there, but only for a couple minutes.
I'm in for a talk.
I appreciated your observations for sure.
So I have two questions.
The first one's quick.
Do you still have homesteading aspirations one day?
You know, it's a dream.
Yes.
I would like to own a house on some land and some animals.
I can bird watch constantly, but God has me in the DC suburbs currently.
And where I've been growing my faith until I can find a material happiness, it looks like spiritual happiness is going to be first.
But yeah, homestead.
I think we have, we don't have much of a choice in the sense of the food that they're going to give us and the really strict control that they're going to put onto us in the cities and the burbs.
I mean, if you don't have a homestead, you're going to be at the whims of the supply shocks and whatever lockdowns they want to do to us.
Right.
Well, part of the reason I ask is I think if you do eventually reach that goal, chickens, you're going to love chickens.
You like bird watching?
Yes.
You're going to love having chickens because I know they're birds.
But my advice for chickens, just keep it in the back of your mind.
Get the prettiest birds that you can because they all lay eggs.
They all lay eggs for you.
Get the prettiest bird and that you'll enjoy watching because that's what you're going to, I think, get the most joy out of with owning chickens.
So just a little feature tip.
But my second question is related to a gas post you had the other day about viruses.
I don't know if some of the callers already brought this up.
But so here's my perspective on it.
Now, before you continue, let me share what I shared.
So on Gab and Telegram, I concluded that viruses are not contagious.
Now, this is a rabbit hole that I've been going down.
Actually, the first time I encountered that argument was about 15 years ago, 10 or 15 years ago, about the HIV virus.
And I just couldn't handle it.
I couldn't handle the idea that viruses are not the cause of disease.
So with COVID, I just saw how there were so many lies.
They were lying about everything.
And then I started to look into the assumptions.
And the assumptions were that the cause of these illnesses that everyone was having that I've seen, you know, I really believe there is an illness, is the cause of this virus that we developed a vaccine for, that we know how is transmitted, that we believe a mask prevents its spread, on and on.
I started to look into that.
And the more I looked into it, the more I remained unconvinced of their assertion that these viruses are the cause of illness.
So I'm just, I'm not making any claims.
I'm not saying I know what's causing it.
I do suspect it's toxins.
I honestly believe it's vegetable oil to a certain extent for people too.
But I'm just saying I don't believe their claims.
So I don't believe their claims that viruses are causing this.
I think it's something else.
It's multi-causal.
And I am open to the evidence.
And of course, this rabbit hole is really big and you need time.
I linked a video that's about an hour and a half long that I advise people to watch to make their own judgment.
And that said, now.
So when I see, and I've seen this theory before, and my immediate reaction to it isn't, you know, oh, that's ridiculous or anything like that.
But I kind of do this calculation in my head that's similar to like flat earth.
So flat earth may or may not be true.
I've never looked into it, whatever.
But I don't really care.
And part of the reason I don't care is it's not going to substantially change the way I live.
And it will actually have a negative impact on me if I do look into it, if I do believe it, because normies are going to look at me like I'm, you know, a freak and it'll cost me socially.
So when I see something like the virus theory, I think, well, I already live a healthy lifestyle.
I'm already avoiding seed oils for other reasons, things like that.
So when I see that, I think this is going to cost me socially more than it's worth to invest the time to understand the truth.
So, you've put your social comfort above the truth in this case, that is what you are saying.
You don't want to experience the social discomfort.
Now, I see your point.
I don't go into flat earth.
I don't go into the moon landing because that's not relevant to my life.
I mean, whether the world is flat or a globe, it doesn't really matter.
I'm not an airline pilot.
And even if I were, it seems like you can fly airplanes even if you believe one or the other.
The thing with viruses, however, is that that impacts us increasingly every single day because the politicians and the rulers of this world are using that theory as justification to control us, to tell us what we can wear on our face, the medications that we use to control our movements through the lockdowns.
They're also using it as justification to inject poisons into our family and our friends.
So, if we believe, if we believe in a lie in this case, not only is it going to kind of give up our power to those who rule over us, but it's also going to not provide a barrier to people close to us if we can educate them on what is really going on.
So, while I see your point, let's not dive into rabbit holes that are not worth our time.
But this one, I mean, the past two years, this virus has been kind of implanted into us.
And so, I don't know how we can continue to live without being aware of the truth.
Also, I must say that when the Antichrist comes, it's almost certain that he's going to, as part of his schemes of control, he's going to say something like, Well, this new virus, in order to protect the world, we have to do X, Y, and Z.
So, not only does knowing the truth behind virus theory apply today, but it's going to apply to the end of the times too, during a critical moment where our salvation can be lost if we fall for any of the tricks and schemes that the Antichrist give us.
Right.
Well, yes, you answered my question.
I just wanted to see what value in this particular truth that you saw, because again, my initial reaction is, you know, I'm already avoiding the vaccine.
I don't buy into medicine in general.
So, I don't think the virus theory or lack of virus or disbelief in virus theory or whatever is necessarily going to impact my life in such a way that I can resist the if it doesn't impact your life, it could impact those close to you who think that the virus exists just like Anthony Fauci says and is willing to take any of the drugs that he wants them to take.
Now, I was like you, I was like, man, I don't want to be a viruses are not contagious guy, and then I have to explain my views, and then I'm going to telegram in, and people in my church are going to be like, So Rouge, you believe in this?
And I have to explain everything.
I didn't want, I really don't want to go through that.
I'm already known for special views anyway.
But then I calculated that knowing the truth about this could not only save lives, but save souls too.
Because if taking this fake vaccine, which is not even a vaccine anyway, but if taking this fake vaccine begins a path of losing your soul because you're counting on the world and the medical gods instead of the real God, then don't you see how that can be extremely dangerous?
So, I'm with you.
I really don't, I'd rather not have social discomfort either.
But the truth here is very important.
The truth, I think, unlike with flat earth or the moon landing, will determine where souls go and will determine whether people live or die.
So, I've decided to go all in and basically announce that I'm going to say I don't believe viruses are contagious.
I don't know fully what's causing illnesses, but I don't believe it's what they presented to us.
Right.
Well, I can appreciate that perspective.
I appreciate you standing up and selling the sake of the salvation of others.
And thank you.
That's all I got.
Thank you for all your work.
I really enjoy everything you do.
Thank you, Color.
All right, bye.
So, so, one thing is that a lot of people are going to say, Well, I'm pretty clear viruses exist because I was sick on Monday and then I hung out with a friend.
And then on Wednesday, he was sick too, with practically the same illness.
Now, what you describe in such a case, that's happened to me too.
I was recently, I had a really bad flu-like illness, and then my mom got something similar a few days after.
Now, what that is, is called an epidemiological observation.
Yes, you've made an observation that you were sick on day one, and your friend who you coughed in his face was sick on day three.
Okay, so you made an observation, but that doesn't prove that a virus was the cause of it.
So, you have what's called a hypothesis.
I believe something was transmitted, but where's the virus?
Did you isolate it, purify it?
Did you, once you purified it, did you put it on the face of someone else, and then did they get the same illness?
This hasn't been done.
So, they have a hypothesis that a virus is doing it.
It's possible, but they haven't proved it.
So, what they have, what we have through our personal experiences, are epidemiological observations.
But you can see how these observations can make you think something is there when it's not.
For example, I know it has happened to you where a friend yawned, and then you yawned immediately after that.
Now, something was transmitted there.
When you saw someone yawn, you're being wanted to yawn too.
But that doesn't mean there was a virus there.
There's not a yawning virus, but there is an observation that when someone else yawns, I do too.
And you can also make a huge mistake in attributing to a virus what's really just an environmental toxin.
One example I can give you is: say you're at a university, a very popular one, where there's frats and they party a lot.
And on Sunday morning, it turns out that 25% of the student population has come down with an illness where they have headaches and they're groggy and they feel nauseous, they're vomiting.
Well, if you were a medical doctor expert, you'll see, oh, there's a virus in the university.
We have to mask up.
But if you have common sense, you realize it's Sunday that everyone partied on Saturday night.
So, it's the alcohol that actually did it.
So, again, I'm not making claims that I know what's going on here, but I'm just saying I don't believe them.
If they lie to us about whether a man is a man and a woman is a woman and that it's okay for men to marry and it's okay for young boys to take puberty blockers to change their sex, and human beings I can see, and they're lying in front of my face by saying I have to call this man a she or a jur.
Why wouldn't they lie about the virus if it just further cements their control?
So I see the regime and the media as a contrary indicator that whatever they say is probably a lie.
Why not?
They've been lying about everything else.
So I don't know how much I'm going to dig into saying viruses are not contagious.
I wasn't going to talk about it unless a caller called in about it.
But if you want to go down this rabbit hole, there is a thread on the forum in the coronavirus part, page one or two of it, and you can dive in.
And other than that, is it going to change my life day to day?
Well, it's going to change how I see the rulers of the world and their mandates and if there's any truth in it.
And it's also going to change how I try to persuade with the truth what family and friends are deciding to do with their medical, their medical choices.
Okay, great.
let's go to the next caller caller you're now live Yes, hi.
Can you hear me?
Yes, I can.
And where are you calling from?
I am calling from the garden state of New Jersey.
Oh, Jersey.
Sorry.
Sorry.
That's okay.
So what is going on?
Yes.
I have a question for you, Roosh.
Please.
Yes.
Now, in regards to the virus and the vaccine stuff, craziness that's going on, my question to you, well, I have several questions, but this is the first one.
My question to you is, why does it seem like the patriarchs of the Orthodox Church are being so silent on this deadly vaccine that uses aborted fetal cells, for example?
And why is their silence so deafening, as opposed to, say, the Protestant churches, which to me are being the most proactive in resisting the COVID tyranny?
It's in their name.
It's in their name to protest.
So we expect that out of them.
But yeah, you raise a pretty good point.
You know, one thing, thank God, that there are a lot of holy elders, bishops in the Orthodox Church that are speaking out against this.
They are calling upon the works and the words of the saints, especially some recent prophecies by recent saints.
Saint Paisios is one.
You probably heard of him.
So while the patriarchs, they're kind of the administrators, right?
So they're trying to, I don't know what they are trying to do.
I can't speak for them.
But yeah, it has been disappointing that they haven't fervently called out a vaccine that's not even a vaccine that could spiritually harm people.
But one thing you have to understand is that we're getting close to the end.
The elders of the church have said we don't have much time.
And once we get to the end, we have to expect much of the hierarchy to fall in some way.
We have to expect that.
But thankfully, since the Orthodox Church is not ruled by a Pope with top-down control, we don't have to worry because the head of the Orthodox Church is not the patriarchs.
It's Christ.
Christ is the head.
And the patriarch is a servant.
And if he's wrong, we, as the body of Christ, that we are a member, as members of the church, we can isolate him, say what he's doing wrong, try to correct him, and if not, ignore him.
But this is something that the whole body has to participate in.
It's not something that I can do.
So the point is, yes, why is that?
You know, I can't speak for them.
I don't know.
But we have in the Orthodox Church, many patriarchs, bishops, and priests have gone wrong.
You know, during the iconoclasm period, Leo the Armenian, during these times, a big chunk of the church was for removing the icons.
So they were wrong.
And humans are wrong, and they do mistakes.
And if you do, if you make a mistake when you're in the authoritarian position of the church, now your soul is at stake.
But thankfully, the leader of our church is Christ.
It's Christ.
So he doesn't make any mistakes.
And sometimes we do have to endure those who do.
But as we get to the end, I think you can see it, and a lot of people can see it, that it's going to get harder there.
It's going to get harder to have a faithful patriarch and bishop and so on.
We may be entering soon a catacomb period where we maintain the faith in these private underground-like home churches.
That said, I don't think it's fair to then say, well, the Protestants are doing something right there.
I mean, okay, they got that right, but it's in their DNA to just be, to just rebel and to protest constantly.
What point is it if you have a church that protests against one thing, but gets a lot of other things, just the basics, just the interpretation, just to get the basic theology and ecclesiology wrong, unfortunately.
So it's nice that they're putting a stand-up, but they're supposed to.
That's what they've always been doing.
That's funny.
Okay, I have another question.
Like, I'm trying not to be too controversial on here because I don't want people to get a bad rap at you because I have a lot of respect for you.
But have you seen, like, I know you've heard of, yes.
Have you ever heard of like the Institute of St. Moses the Black?
The what?
I know he is a saint, yes.
No, it's like an organization.
No, so that, no, no.
Okay, you've never heard of that.
The Institute of St. Moses?
No, fellowship, the St. Moses.
Fellowship.
I'm sorry.
I don't know.
Maybe in passing, but I don't know what they do.
Okay.
No, because I was just reading their website, and it sounds like I saw something on there called, what's it called, racial reconciliation?
Oh, no.
And there's a, there's a, yes, I was thinking the same thing.
And that's basically like, it's basically like, how should I say it?
What's the word for it?
It's basically like cultural Marxism.
Only it's basically like the cultural Marxism that they're teaching at universities or schools these days.
So I was a little worried about that.
Well, it's pretty telling that I haven't, I haven't heard of it.
It doesn't seem like they are affiliated with the church in any way.
I mean, I could start that too.
I can start an Orthodox brotherhood of so-and-so.
So that doesn't really mean anything.
That just means that there are some liberals in the church that have decided to subvert the church.
But you're always going to have that.
I mean, there's many Orthodox liberals.
But thank God that one thing about the church is the doctrines have not changed.
They have not been able to change the church.
They have not been able to introduce one lie, not one.
So even if the patriarchs say, you know, yeah, the vaccines aren't bad.
They're good for your health.
Okay, they can say that.
That's their opinion.
But they haven't changed the doctrines and the dogmas.
They're not like a pope.
A pope can change things.
He can introduce doctrines on his own.
So you see how dangerous that is.
So really, like the head of the Catholic Church is the pope.
You can't say it is Christ.
You can say that Pope is the icon of Christ or whatever they say, but the Pope has top-down control.
But the Institute of St. Moses or the Patriarchs, they do not have that.
Okay.
So you're not too worried about the Greek Archbishop in America and Bartholomew.
You're not too concerned about them?
Well, they are left-leaning ecumenical leaders that are causing a lot of damage to the faithful who believe that they are speaking the truth.
But have they changed any church practices and doctrines and dogmas?
Have they invalidated the sacraments?
No.
I mean, I wouldn't advise anyone to enter a liberal-leaning church that is trying to corrupt it.
But that said, the Greeks are still, their sacraments are valid.
They haven't changed any of the doctrines or the liturgies.
So, you know, it's really the leadership that is corrupt, but the church itself is not.
But yes, if more and more of the leadership and the priests get corrupted, then you're going to have a problem.
And then there is a risk that that church will now lose communion.
Yes, because I heard they said it seemed like the Greeks were going over to a lot of the RoCorp churches now.
Yes, yes.
Yeah, because Rocor has maintained the faith in full.
The external, the internals, it's just that's the church that I joined because out of looking at the landscape of all the Orthodox churches out there, they seem to be most intent, most zealous to maintain the teachings of Christ and to maintain his church until the end of time.
Okay.
And, okay.
And another question.
I was reading your book, American Pilgrim.
And I noticed that in one chapter, you saw, well, you were in Texas.
You said the Orthodox man caught his son or daughter doing something on Instagram, the Snapchat, and you said you can't force Christianity on your kids.
I mean, isn't that technically how all of us were forced into Christianity?
Our parents forced us to children?
I wish I was.
I was not.
I mean, you know, I think it's, there's a difference between forcing a child to go to the church and to tolerate the service and then to force him to believe.
I mean, that you can't force anyone to believe.
So, I mean, he could punish his kid on not going on Instagram and so on, but he can't force him to believe that doing that is wrong.
He can try to discipline him, encourage him, treat him with love, but to force anyone to believe in something, I don't see how you can do that.
You would have to torture someone, but then even after you stop the torture, they'll probably go back to what they believed before that.
Well, I mean, I asked that question because I wouldn't really say I was raised in a strict Christian household, but I grew up around Christianity for, let's just say, pretty much the majority of my life.
Now, which church?
I'm a Protestant.
Okay.
Now, in my, I mean, in my judgment, that church has broken off.
They have broken off from the true church.
I mean, how far back do you want to go?
So you were given an incorrect, I mean, I'm not judging you, but I just want to speak the truth here because if I didn't believe what I believe, I wouldn't have converted.
So I believe that the Orthodox Church is the true faith.
They have no mistakes.
So you're in a church that, through the Orthodox perspective, has mistakes, errors.
Their practices could be off-base.
So you're in a church that anyway doesn't have the full truth of God, doesn't have the full grace.
There's no saints in the Protestant church.
There's no elders.
The elders are those who speak the best, who are charismatic.
So if I were you, I wouldn't like that either.
I wouldn't like to be forced to go to a church that doesn't have the fullness of Christ.
So I don't blame you.
Well, I was just saying that you look around like, I've kind of had a bad experience with Christianity for a lot of my life because it doesn't matter what denomination.
But you're speaking of Protestantism.
Yeah, I would have a bad feeling too.
Okay, have you been to the liturgy of an Orthodox church?
Yes, I have.
I've went one time, I went to a Greek Orthodox church when I was living in the South.
Okay, and what did you think about it?
They seemed like pretty decent people.
They made me feel welcome.
They made me feel at home.
I wasn't too put off or anything like that.
But just seeing like I liked infrastructure, like in the church with like the pictures of the saints and everything like that, it was actually just kind of, it was actually kind of just different.
It was just different.
It was just how like they didn't really do too much preaching.
It was more of just chants and incense smells and everything like that.
So what I would say is where you are, I would try a RoCorp parish.
Just go there, talk to the priest and express to him what you think and what you feel and what your background is.
And if I'm correct that the Orthodox Church is the truth, this priest, this servant of Christ, is going to give you the truth too.
And then you can make a decision.
But I don't know what to say.
I mean, if I had a friend that's like, I'm in the Protestant church and I'm not happy and yeah, I wouldn't be happy either because you're in a church that has gone on a different path, right?
So that's what I was, I'm trying in the nicest way possible.
I'm saying get out of your church and join the Orthodox church.
But I think if you're calling me in and if you've gone to a liturgy already, you are favorable to the idea that, hey, maybe they have something right.
Yes.
It just seemed, it just seemed kind of like, it was just, it was a different experience because normally with the pastor, he stands up there and talks.
Wait, she?
Stop.
She?
Pastor, she?
No.
Okay, okay.
No, no, no, no.
I know better than to do that.
Okay, good.
No, I know better than to do that.
Okay, so the pastor is talking.
Okay.
Yeah.
And it's, and just, it was a different, it was a different feel.
Okay.
Yeah.
I mean, listen, I would say for you, make a decision if you're going to pursue the truth no matter what or not.
If you're going to pursue, if you're intent on pursuing the truth and that's your focus, I don't know how you won't end up in the Orthodox Church.
I just don't know.
If you're pursuing the truth, you go to a Protestant and immediately you're hit with a guitar playing riff, a rock pit.
I just don't, how is that the truth of God?
I just, but again, I don't want to judge, but I would just advise you.
I can see you're trying to search and you're trying to understand.
Don't get too caught up in what the humans of the churches are doing.
I mean, we're all sinful.
The patriarch is a sinner.
I am one too, a big one.
And so just who has the truth of God?
I think that's what you should hinge your decision on.
Okay.
Okay.
All right.
And one last question.
One last question.
Quick one.
Okay.
Quick one.
Okay.
Now, do you see like any Orthodox communities?
Can we see how the culture is getting more and more left-wing, but then you have institutions like that, actually, like a town of traditional Catholics called St. Mary's, Kansas, and they have another one in Florida and Northern Idaho.
Is there anything like that for Orthodox people in the United States to join like a local Christian community of like businesses and just like a community kind of feel?
You know what I'm kind of saying?
Like not like an Amish.
No, I know what you're talking about.
And that's something that a lot of the Orthodox in the United States, they want that too, because it sucks when you have a parish and then everyone's driving one hour away, half an hour, and so people are spread out.
The closest to that is if you live by a monastery.
That's the closest currently.
The numbers in the United States of the Orthodox are small but growing, but you're not going to find that I think the Catholics, they have a bit more of that going on just because they're, I think, a quarter of the population.
But that's something that in the next couple of decades, I would expect that to grow within the Orthodox Church too.
But until then, if you make your home parish a monastery, which may require you to move, I think you will get more of that community feeling.
Okay.
White pill.
That French islanders of Guadalupe and Martinique, they stopped their vaccine passports when people started going crazy.
Oh, great.
I'm glad one of the smallest countries in the world stopped it.
Two.
Two island countries.
Small, white pill, yes.
Okay.
Okay, so let me go on to the next caller, but thank you very much.
Thank you.
Okay.
Thank you.
I hope I'm not too mean to the Protestants.
I'm not.
I just don't want to lie.
I don't want to lie and say, oh, your church, everything is fine with it.
Continue being a Methodist.
You don't have sacraments.
I mean, how can I advise you to stay in a church that doesn't have the body and blood of Christ?
And, you know, some in the Orthodox Church, they believe that the sacraments outside of the Orthodox Church are not valid.
So I'm not going to state any judgment here, but just know that the closer you get to the Orthodox Church, yeah, you want valid sacraments.
You really want the body and blood of Christ.
You don't want a wafer or a cracker.
You don't want a symbol.
You want the real thing.
And yeah.
Okay, let's go to the next caller.
Right.
Okay, Carla, you're now live.
Hello.
Hello, Caller.
Is this Ruch V?
Yes, it is.
And where are you calling from?
I'm calling from Texas, actually.
Texas.
Okay.
So what is going on?
Not much, man.
I just wanted to call you just to personally say just how much I like you and your work and things you do.
You know, you really helped me just grow closer to God.
You know, it's much needed these days.
I'm in college personally.
Okay.
So I have to deal with a lot of stuff, you know.
How is life on the college campus nowadays?
Is it like a gay pride march every day?
I mean, I can only speak for myself, but I'm not, I'm more in the south and it's not as bad, I think.
But yeah, there's definitely gay pride flags here and there.
And, you know, you'll be walking down the street sometimes and they'll try to hand you like contraception, stuff like that.
And you know, the women, you know, they walk around campus without any clothes, basically, sometimes.
I've seen a couple of times young women in the summer for a top, they're wearing what's like a bra.
Yeah, or sometimes they don't even wear like a bra.
They just wear like a shirt, you know, without a bra underneath.
Oh, so their mammaries are moving.
That's yeah, I don't want to get into much detail, but yeah, it's just, yeah.
But I mean, it is what it is.
You know, I just, I just put my head down, you know, study, keep to myself for the most part.
Kind of an incel, low-key.
Good, good.
And is there anything that you want to ask?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Let's see here.
I had a lot of things to ask.
Okay, let's pick the top three things.
Because I have a lot of other callers, too.
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay, one thing I wanted to ask about was like maybe you're not the best person to ask about this, but like, is there any like problems when it comes to like having pride in your like race and you're like, you know, is there any conflict when it comes to that and like orthodoxy?
Well, pride is a deadly sin.
So if you're thinking not pride, not pride, just like wanting to preserve, like, obviously we know that like white people in America are being treated like second-class citizens, sure, sure.
Genocided.
So if you're not saying that are you allowed to use race as a metric to pick a spouse to have white babies?
Yeah, you're free to do that.
You're free to choose whatever woman you want to marry.
No one in the Orthodox Church is going to say you have to marry a black woman or an Indian or whatever have you.
So yeah, you are allowed to use your own judgment to decide who to associate with who to marry, if that's what you were asking.
You won't be shamed.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
That was kind of, I guess, my question for the most part.
And then I had one more question, actually.
Sure.
It has another thing to do with basically, like, I don't know if you're familiar with semen retention and like that community.
I have heard of it.
I was just curious if there's any conflicts there, like with this sort of belief that, you know, like semen, like a male's like semen is like first of all, can I say where that idea came out of?
It came out.
There was a country that this semen retention idea or scientific idea came from, India.
The studies of this are done in India.
So, this is an Indian thing.
You can look at the names of all the authors, the scientists who wrote about this.
It's Indian names.
So, I don't know if that's what you want to do is follow the Indians on this.
But I'll tell you what, if you live a life in Christ as a single man, since you're called to be chaste, you won't have that problem.
You will retain your fluids because you're not allowed to disperse them.
And even when you marry, if you get married in the Orthodox Church, you can just kind of treat your wife as an object of your sexual desires on fasting days.
You cannot have relations with her during the Lenten fast, the nativity fast.
You can have relations with her.
I also just heard, I think, if she's pregnant, you also can't.
So, during an Orthodox, during, if you become an Orthodox Christian, whether you're single or not, you will have many, many opportunities to retain.
Okay, Garrett, because that's something I'm worried about is just like I want to keep retaining, but at the same time, like, I would like a wife, you know, eventually maybe one day, and children.
But at the same time, I want to keep my essence, my male essence with me.
Yes, that's good.
Yeah, well, I have some good news that the Orthodox faith doesn't conflict with your goal.
That's good.
That's good.
I had one last quick one.
Quick one.
Don't want to take up too much of your time.
That's fine.
But polygamy.
No.
No, God intends us just to have one wife and no more.
Actually, He intends us for only if we get married to have physical relations with one human being that we unite to in one flesh.
So that's so your polygamy idea.
No, no, no, no, no.
Okay.
Yeah, I was just curious.
Because I know I'm like Mormons and stuff.
They seem to be okay with that kind of thing.
Yeah, they are.
They may be okay with that, but they're okay with a lot of lies, too.
They're okay with following a new prophet who is, I think, demonically influenced.
I don't know what they believe, but the Orthodox don't consider the Mormons as part of a mainline branch of Christianity.
But I'll say this: if you show some kind of interest in the Mormon church, guess what they parade in front of you?
All these virgins, beautiful girls.
Yeah, don't you want to join?
So they use, and you can research this.
They use these young, beautiful Mormon girls as bait, as bait to get you to convert.
So they take the flirt to convert idea on a level that I think is evil.
And then once you convert all those beautiful girls, they disappear.
So this is like a bait and switch move.
This is salesmanship.
So I wouldn't advise you converting there.
No, I'm not.
I wasn't really considering Mormonism, frankly.
I'm a Catholic.
Okay.
But, yeah, just interested in Orthodoxy.
Been trying to explore more of it, you know.
Yeah, I mean, like I told the previous caller, pursue the truth.
And if since God is the truth, Christ is the word incarnate, if you pursue the truth, you'll end up in the right place.
But if you instead get attached to something of the world, whether it's a physical component or the pride or pleasure or something, then you're going to have some difficulties.
Because the truth, the full truth will cause you to release yourself from all the worldly attachments.
And so if you have an attachment, and sex was a big one for me, how can I get to the ultimate truth?
So just keep that in mind.
Yeah.
Yeah, I think that's what keeps a lot of people back, especially like in their college years, is that the lost thing.
It's a pretty strong passion.
But the fact that you have God on your mind in college, I mean, you're doing far better than me.
I mean, I didn't think of God then.
I didn't think of him in my 20s and for most of my 30s either.
So I think you're doing fine.
But just, yeah, don't get too attached to the things you see in college or to the women wearing broad tops.
Yeah, I'll try.
I appreciate it, Rouge.
Thank you, Colin.
All right.
God bless.
Bye-bye.
Okay, let's go to the next caller.
Hello, Cola.
You're now live.
All right, can you hear me?
Yes, I can.
Hey, thanks, Roche, for having me on.
Big fan.
Great.
And where are you calling from?
I'm calling from Dallas, Texas.
Dallas.
Okay, you're the second Texas caller in a row.
Yeah, I just want to say that I had a few questions, but I just want to say I'm a big fan of yours for a long time.
Hopefully you're a fan of my new stuff, not my old stuff.
Oh, yeah, yeah, definitely the new stuff.
Yeah, definitely.
I just want to say that, you know, I was born into a Muslim family, but I recently converted to the Orthodox church.
Glory to God.
So I was baptized and Chris made it this past Pasca.
Oh, okay, good.
So that's the same, it's probably the same time as me.
Yeah, and I would say, you know, I was doing a lot of research, and you were one of the people who kind of influenced me to go down that path.
So I just want to thank you so much.
Well, God is using me, so I can't claim any credit.
Yeah, glory to God.
I just want to say, what do we do if everyone we know is like taking the vaccine, you know?
Like people you know and your family and stuff.
Because I'm like most of the people I know have taken vaccines, and I'm like, one of the last pure bloods, you know.
So, okay, now, first, let me make a comment on that mean pure blood.
And I get your point.
It's fine.
But I guarantee you, our blood, even if we don't take the vax, is filled with so much plastic and drunk and, you know, various drugs and the tap water.
You know, you're a man, you drink from the chat tap, and now you have birth control in your blood.
So I get the meme, but just say if you live in the modern times, your blood is like half sludge.
But anyway, so yeah, the problem you mentioned is common.
It's common.
How do you deal with that?
Because it's almost like you are witnessing a family member or friend harm themselves.
And you know what the truth of the vaccines are.
I think one thing you can start with is to ask yourself, if it's, say, your mom, can your mom, is she capable of perceiving the small truths?
So if she's not capable of perceiving a small truth, how can she perceive a bigger truth that may involve like the vaccines and the dangers?
So one small truth that I think everyone should believe in automatically, just from like a natural morality that we were born with, not even from God's direct grace, is to know that abortions are wrong.
Abortions, you're killing a human life.
I think that's, I don't care who you are, what culture you're from, your race.
I think that's pretty clear.
If I ask you, are abortions wrong?
And you don't say yes, that means you are incapable of perceiving a small truth.
Well, if you can't perceive a small truth, then how can I convince you of anything else?
So I guess you have to, you know, is so if they are pursued, if they are capable of pursuing a small, a small truth, then why can't they perceive, say, the truth that comes next after that?
It's kind of think of it as a ladder.
It's the ladder of truth.
You start with the easy truths on the bottom and you're climbing and you're climbing.
And of course, God is at the top once you're done.
But I would say that the vaccines to know that these are harmful, you would think this is very common sense.
I'm sure it's common sense for most people who listen to me.
But you see, most of the population has gotten it.
So it's actually uncommon sense due to that.
So I would test them first, see if they're capable of believing a small truth.
If they're not, there's nothing you can do.
If they don't think killing a baby is wrong, how are they going to think getting a vaccine is bad?
If they are capable of believing in the small truth, then what's probably happening is they're so overcome with fear of dying.
So they can perceive the truth, but they're getting the vaccine because the doctors promised it would save their lives.
They don't want to die because they don't have God.
So then you have to address the fear that they have.
And the fear that they have is almost always when it comes to a medical cause is because their faith is weak.
So now we're going from a problem of perceiving the truth to a spiritual problem.
Now, how do you give the faith to someone else?
I'm sure like with you and just like with me, to get to arrive towards God is a process.
It takes years.
It's not something that, okay, here's God and here's a book.
Here's the Bible.
Read that and you'll have the faith and you'll get baptized.
It's a process.
So I think it's up to us to at least introduce them to the truth of God, to what God is, that there is a God and that he expects us to live in a certain way as our creator.
And if we don't, we will be punished.
I think that's the basic truth.
But, you know, there's at the end of it, there's not much you can really do.
There's not a whole lot.
If you can just give the truth to them, say, hey, Pops, this is the truth of the vaccine.
This is the research that I have done.
And all signs point to it to not being a vaccine, but a genetic therapy that doesn't even improve your health and is full of toxic ingredients and the lipid nanoparticles and the graphene or whatever they put in it.
If they can't perceive that, then that's it.
They use their free will.
This is what God gave them.
The free will to make a to make a choice, and they're choosing the vax.
And beyond that, there's not a whole lot that you can do.
You still have to love them, you still have to pray for them constantly.
But to convince them with words now, it looks like they are beyond that.
Okay, I see.
And also, I was going to ask: what should we do as Orthodox Christians if the government decides to persecute us for refusing the vaccine?
Let's say the Joe Biden regime starts to hunt down unvaxed people.
What should we do?
Should we fight back?
Do we accept it and become martyrs?
What's the path forward?
Well, this is a heavy-duty question that depends on your level of faith.
But blessed are those who are persecuted, right?
For the kingdom of heaven belongs to them.
So I would say persecution, our Savior told us we would be.
We would be hated by the world because we are chosen out of the world.
So we're going to be persecuted by the rulers of this day if we're not already.
Now, if your level of faith is such that you want to make a stand and say no and receive the blows, then you can.
If your faith isn't there yet and you're still scared, which is going to happen, then you want to flee or you want to work around, get your religious exemptions or so and so, then you get that.
So it really depends on you.
But I'll tell you: if you're a single man like me, you don't have kids, you don't have much obligation or responsibilities, I think that could be God's way of saying, well, since you don't have all those things, you can make a stand in a way that a father with five kids can't.
Because if you had all these kids and your work is requiring you to take the vax, I still think that you shouldn't take it.
You should trust in God to feed your kids instead of taking a medical toxic therapy.
But the point is, at least you have reason to pause and think.
But if you're a single guy, no, no, you don't even have to think.
No, I'm not doing that.
So I would say it depends on you.
There's no black and white here.
I can tell you with me, I am inclined to accept the persecution.
If I wasn't, then I wouldn't be in the Washington, D.C. area.
I would be planning to leave to a magical place where life is perfect and happy and so on.
I would convert to the Mormon church because of all the girls.
No, I'm just joking.
But I guess the point I'm saying is you have to work on your faith to such an extent that you can accept whatever God sends you.
Okay.
And I just want to say one last thing.
I just want everybody out there to try to please pray for me because, you know, I'm kind of in a tough situation right now.
And I'm kind of in a situation where I'm unemployed and I have deaths and stuff.
Do you have a first name or a baptismal name that you can share with us so that we can pray for you?
John.
That's easy.
Yeah.
So I just want to say that.
Thanks again, Rich, for taking my call.
Sure thing, John.
Thank you.
Okay.
Lord have mercy on John.
Yeah, I mean, endure what your faith allows you to endure.
And I guess so you see what the point is.
The point is to build your faith up, to build your faith up, especially when times right now are difficult, but not insurmountable.
So we have enough calm that we can build our faith daily.
So I think we should focus on that more than trying to mitigate all the worldly problems that can possibly come.
Okay, let's get to the next caller.
Hello, Carla.
You're now live.
Hi.
How are you?
Hello.
And where are you calling from?
St. Petersburg, Florida.
Florida.
Okay, great.
Yep.
So what is going on?
Is it really humid there currently?
Yeah, pretty humid.
It's constantly for all the call, for everyone watching who hasn't been to Florida, it's humid constantly there.
It never stops.
Okay.
That is very true.
I try to do laundry and hang my clothes on the line and it takes days to dry.
So I just wanted to call and ask your advice on something.
Okay.
I'm sure that you dealt with people not wanting to associate with you or maybe losing friendships after you came to Christ.
What advice would you give to someone who's dealing with that within their family?
Okay, so I'm guessing this is you have recently converted to a church or you have recently displayed that you are living by Christ and members of your family are not very happy about that?
Yeah, it's a little bit more deep than that.
My boyfriend and I have kind of grown up Christians and just kind of in that lukewarm area, I guess you could say, just growing up.
And recently we've become more devoted and looking into converting to Orthodoxy.
And we are hoping to get engaged soon and get married soon as well.
And we've just had some issues within our family and them thinking that we're extremists and fundamental extremists because we've proclaimed that we wanted to live our life biblically and that we believe everything in the Bible and that we can't pick our choose within the Bible.
And then ever since then, it's just kind of been like, y'all are going down an extremist path.
And it's been really hard on both of us because, like I said, we're trying to start lives together.
And so we're just trying to navigate that.
Okay, now the good news is that basically every convert to the Orthodox Church has at least one family member who says, did you join a cult?
I mean, that cult term is everyone, everyone gets it.
And to that, I mean, if you were accused by that, really, what Orthodoxy is, is basic Christianity that was practiced for hundreds of years.
And that's a testament to how far down the wrong road the world has gone.
We're just praying daily.
You know, it makes you a member of a cult.
Okay, so, you know, I've had a little bit of experience with this and I've known people.
The best thing you can do in the beginning until they accept that they see the fruits of your faith, they're like, wait, he didn't join a cult.
He's actually more loving and caring than he was before.
Is to don't display your faith.
Don't convince them.
Don't teach them.
Don't say, yeah, I went to church today and it was great.
Everyone was so nice to me.
I wouldn't talk about it.
I wouldn't talk about it unless you, you know, and I don't recommend we hide our faith, but with a family member who is directly attacking it, I would say for the short term, I just wouldn't talk about it.
You know, don't make comments when they say take the Lord's name in vain, or they're watching TV all day.
I mean, there's, you know, when you start to find Christ in His church, and you have, say, a parent who's a boomer who watches TV all day in these trashy talk shows, I mean, it gets tough.
It's like you, you know, what their problem is.
But I would say, starting off, don't say anything.
Make them think that you were just like you were before externally.
But of course, internally, you are changing.
But I wouldn't do anything in the beginning to aggravate them because you have to understand that what's happening is the egg is telling the hen, I know more than you about the truth.
That's also, it hits their pride.
You know, how can you leave our church?
This is the church that we selected for you.
We raised you in this church.
And now you, who we still see as a baby, you're going to change churches to one where the men have big beards.
So this really hurts.
I think, you know, I really think it's more of a pride thing more than anything else because they don't know what the doctrines are.
How can you get offended at a church when you don't even know, you don't even care enough to ask what we believe in?
So I would say just kind of leave their pride be and don't talk about it.
And then, as one thing I found, as the weeks and months go on, for the sake of their souls, you can maybe invite them to come to the liturgy.
You can say, you know, a word or two about the gospel, a word or two, a story that comes out of church, but very slowly.
I mean, that's what I would say.
Okay.
Yeah, I think that's great advice.
Thank you.
Appreciate it.
Okay, great.
And is there anything else?
That's it.
Oh, also, I wanted to say that I'm getting my dad a copy of American Pilgrim for Christmas.
Oh, great.
Hopefully.
Thank you very much.
Yeah.
Okay.
All right.
Well, thank you so much.
Sure thing.
Bye-bye.
Yeah, it's, I mean, because the Orthodox Church is not well known in the USA.
It's if you have a Protestant background, they're just not going to know what it is.
And if you have a Catholic background, even then, even if you say, well, it's similar to the Catholic Church, that's still going to, your parents are probably going to say, well, we have generations in the Catholic Church.
And yeah, that's fine.
I mean, okay, we did have it.
And maybe the Catholic Church wasn't as, what word do I want to use?
Wasn't as degraded as it is now.
I mean, just the other day, the Pope, Pope Francis, said that carnal sins aren't that bad.
So I don't know.
You know, I don't judge people who are not in the Orthodox Church, but I'm saying if you want the full truth without corruption, you will find it here.
But you make your own choices.
All right.
Let's go to the next caller.
Hello, Carla.
You're now live.
Caller?
Yes, I can.
And where are you calling from?
Calling from the great state of Arizona.
Arizona.
Okay, nice.
And I don't mean to poke fun at the last few callers ago.
Okay.
But I need to ask, Roosh, are you practicing semen retention?
You know, I've heard of that concept.
And I can say, you know, how do I say that?
I don't want to joke, but yes, I do, but not because of that, you know, because when you follow Christ, that's an accident that you also retain.
But anyway.
That makes sense.
Well, yeah, calling today because I'm very interested in symbols.
Did a PhD.
I don't want to dox myself, but in a field where I did a lot of research into Jung and Campbell and symbolism.
And so I've been going through kind of a rough patch lately.
And I don't know what it was, but I was kind of guided to read the story of Noah.
Okay.
And the symbol I really got out of that was the rainbow.
It's symbolic of God's covenant with man.
And started to think about how that symbol has been co-opted by the gay community, the LGBTQ community.
And just wanted to get your thoughts on how we can sort of liberate some of these symbols from being co-opted.
So how can I, through my actions, change the culture and the perceptions of hundreds of millions of people?
Is that what you're asking me?
I suppose I am.
Okay, well, you know, I know that ultimately Satan can use his foot soldiers to corrupt any symbol of God.
I mean, we are made in the image of God.
And look at what he has some of these people in the cities doing.
Look at what he had me doing.
But the sin of sodomy is especially bad.
Make sure you mute your thing because I can hear myself.
So the sin of sodomy is especially bad.
I mean, you have two men laying with each other.
This is, I think, one of the most unnatural acts.
And you have people doing it.
So I'm more concerned about them and what's happening to their souls by doing that.
How if you cross a line of sin, if you go so far down that repentance becomes very difficult.
If you change your sex and you really pursue that with the surgeries and the hormone treatments, it seems to me that suicide is more likely than repentance.
But as for the symbols, I know that if we die and if we lived in a righteous way and we go to paradise, any rainbow we see will not even make us remember the nonsense that we had to see with the gay pride here.
So I'm not too concerned about that.
But yeah, one thing is some of these symbols.
I think a child growing up, a rainbow is a symbol of God, and they should be able to grow up with that without thinking that mommy is gay or something like that.
But yeah, this is, you have to understand that we're not just facing the efforts of man to corrupt.
We're facing the Satan, Satan's efforts with the legions that he has, and they've been corrupting for centuries.
So you're asking how to reverse the work of Satan himself.
Now, is that the role that God, God gave you?
I doubt it.
But I think really, as long as we pursue the faith and commune with God, get as close to him as we can, then we can use the symbols ourselves in a holy way, let's say.
But I wouldn't, I'm kind of not into changing the world.
I think that's, I'll leave that to the oligarchs.
That's what they want to do.
That's what they're obsessed to do as the princes of this world are and Satan too.
But for me, if I can just reach you or reach a couple other people, I think that's more than enough than to have this kind of top-down plan to change the culture in a methodical way.
Yeah, that's a solid viewpoint.
Definitely a lot more peaceful than trying to change the world.
That's something that I struggle a lot with is my hubris and control, and something I pray a lot about to have relief from.
Which church are you in?
Oh, yeah, yeah, great, great lead on to another question I had.
So, born and raised Catholic, both my wife and I and have been researching Orthodoxy a little bit more lately.
There's an Orthodox church in town, and so we're thinking about going tomorrow, but just, yeah, I guess kind of nervous.
Like, it feels very, very foreign.
You know, we're culturally raised in this Catholic tradition and just feeling kind of intimidated.
Now, may I ask why you are considering kind of leaving the Catholic Church?
Is there things you have seen or the church itself, the priest?
Is there any kind of problem there?
No, the priest at the local church is actually pretty good, mostly just issues with palpal infallibility.
A lot of what this latest pope is speaking on, and how the church just feels really divided lately, where you have a number of vocal people in the church opposing that, but also an equal or greater number of people going along with what the latest pope is saying.
So, really, really troubling to us to see him announce what you mentioned yesterday or earlier this week with the premarital sex.
The church is supposed to not change, and it seems like it's changing day by day.
So, that has us really concerned, especially if we have a child, what that upbringing is going to look like and what the church is going to look like at that point.
Yeah, well, for the first time you go to a liturgy, if you have a Catholic background, it's not going to be that different.
Yes, it's different, and I can probably make a list of 100 items that are different from just the externals.
But when you go there, it's just going to be a mainly liturgical form of worship.
There's going to be an altar, there's going to be the consecration of the holy gifts.
Many of, you know, I went to a Catholic Mass once.
There were a couple portions that were said exactly the same as what I hear in the liturgy.
The music is going to be different.
Maybe the smell of the incense, the way it looks.
But all that you have to do, I know one thing in the Catholic Mass I went to, we sat down for most of it, and there were pews.
In the Orthodox Church, I mean, the better ones don't have pews.
If you have pews, then it's probably you're in like the Greek church.
So, the two churches I would advise you to go to is Rokor, which is the church that I'm in, or the Antiochian church.
That's like a Greek type.
And they should, most of them don't have pews.
And the reason they don't have pews is because you may, outside of Sundays, have to prostrate.
You do prostrate in the liturgy on the other days.
But all you have to do is stand when the congregation stands and sit when the congregation sits.
They're going to do the sign of the cross.
You don't have to do it.
They're going to do bows.
You don't have to do it.
If you do want to do the sign of the cross, they do it up, down, right, left.
So that's the difference that the Catholics do.
But you don't have to worry.
I mean, no one is looking at you or no one should be.
And one thing I like is this.
I go to the liturgy.
There's probably a good handful of people who know me there.
Most of them don't say hi to me.
They know I'm there, but they don't come up to me.
Because when you're in the temple, the focus is on God.
So no one's going to bother you.
And after it's done, I would guess since you're new or the announcements that the priest gives at the end is going to welcome you probably.
But you don't have to worry.
I mean, no one is going to judge you as doing things wrong.
People are going to know, I've never seen that guy here, so he's probably new.
So they're going to assume you're from a different church than afterwards, the last.
So what do you think?
Blah, blah, blah.
But you don't have to worry.
I mean, it should be the most calm moment of your week.
So don't unnecessarily make it this kind of tense thing where there's expectations.
Okay.
Okay, that's helpful.
Yeah, excited to check it out.
Feeling less nerves.
I appreciate the rundown there.
Good.
So anything else?
No, I don't think so.
Thanks for going through those two questions with me.
I hope that I am as calm as you, especially about these symbols at some point.
Yeah, and if you have any more questions about the church or if you have trouble finding one, just use the contact form on my site.
And if you want to let me know how things went too, that would be great.
Okay, great.
We'll do.
Thank you so much, Roosh.
All right, Color.
God bless.
Have a good one.
Okay, great.
let's take the next caller hello call your You're now live.
Hey, Roosh.
How's it going?
Pretty good.
How about you?
Good, good.
I'm calling from Florida.
Another Florida.
Nice.
Yes, Florida, man.
Yeah, I had heard you talking a little bit about Catholics and Orthodox and the different theologies or the ecclesiastical structure.
So my question was more in regards to the theology.
So we just had the feast of the Immaculate Conception on December 8th.
I know you guys disagree a little bit on that.
I don't know exactly why.
So I was just asking a general question.
Okay.
Can you define for everyone here what the, I guess, dogma of the Immaculate Conception is?
Sure, yeah.
So the dogma of the Immaculate Conception is that God, by a singular grace, gave Mary the grace of being conceived without original sin.
And so to bear her son, Jesus Christ, in her womb.
So for the purpose of the conception of Christ, she was also conceived without sin.
So the typology has to do, so typology being like Mary is the new Eve, Adam, Jesus is the new Adam.
And so just it's fitting, at the very least, conceptually, that the Virgin was conceived without original sin, being the mother of God, the Hanagia or the all-holy, right?
And that's in gist.
What year was this dogma instituted in the Catholic Church?
Or give or take?
Sure, you understand whenever a dogma is defined or proclaimed, it doesn't mean that it was like created ex nihilo.
Sure, that means some in the church, they start, they were Believing in this, and then the Pope came and said, Okay, yes, since most of our flock or most of our theologians think this is true, we're going to officially state that this is true, right?
So, that's what it is.
In a sense, yeah, but um, the question was in regards to your understanding, because obviously we hold the same uh, we venerate uh saints, and so being the mother of God, we both, as me as a Roman Catholic and uh, and all Orthodox venerate and honor the mother of God, right?
Right.
So, I just was wondering the understanding of uh because this seems to me to be the, for at least me, the major because a lot of the differences are like political and sort of uh in terms of the schism and all this,
a lot of it has to do more with, I mean, I guess you could argue it's theology as well in regards to the papal supremacy and um just ecclesiastical structure, but um, the the I think this particular thing is is um of more importance, at least in my opinion.
I was just wondering what you're sure, sure.
So, let's let's get so the year that this was officially a dogma in the Catholic Church was 1854.
So, this was a very late change.
The ancient Christians change, but did the early Christians did the early Christians from at the apostolic age believe and practice that Mary was born without original sin?
The answer is no.
This is a new change, this is something new that does two horrible things according from to the perspective of the Orthodox Church.
One, it removes the glory that the mother of God should receive for choosing not to sin.
Now you say, Well, she couldn't sin anyway.
So, if she was born that way, why would we venerate her as the most pure mother if the purity she was given was automatic, algorithmic, right?
So, she chose that.
So, so we stay, hold on, hold on.
We state in the Orthodox churches that she chose not to sin due to her purity and her faith.
She was the most pure.
So, we don't remove any glory, and it is our perspective.
And when I say our, I want to say what I've read.
So, let me say from what I understand, right?
That that removes her purity by saying that, well, she couldn't sin.
And the second thing is, it seems what the Immaculate Conception does is bring the image of Mary into more of the Protestant line where she was a vessel of God, like an involuntary, just a surrogate kind of deal, where she was born.
She had to fulfill this role because it was it happened at birth.
None of her free will was involved.
That violates God's need to have us all choose.
So, what so she was just a robot that had to do this, and you know, so that's our perspective of it.
And for that reason, the Orthodox Church does not believe in this.
Okay, and I understand that, you know, you at least maybe because I know this is a sort of very precise theological issue.
And so, like, there's things that I haven't read on this either.
But in regards to what I know, since I'm a Catholic, I can tell you right now that the actual understanding of will, free will, in regards to Mary is preserved, meaning that she actually does have free will, just like Eve did when she was taken from the rib of Adam.
She didn't have original sin, yet she was she, with her free will, she chose to disobey God.
And so in the same manner, as Mary has a new Eve, being immaculately conceived, doesn't, it's not this Protestant view of deterministic, you know, like Calvinism, where, you know, double predestination, God predestines people to go to hell and to go to heaven, and there's no free will.
So what I just wanted to clarify at least, maybe just something to look into because the actual Catholic position, I think, and I think if you research it, does is present in the early, and the Church Fathers, and the Eastern Church Fathers even, you know, St. Damascene and St. Ephraim, the day composer of the...
The Church had never practiced that.
the church before the schism you cannot find it's well okay listen If they had to make it a dogma just 150 years ago or so, it kind of hints to the lateness.
Why do they have to wait such a long time?
But look, you shared your views on this, and I shared my own views.
I don't want to get into the weeds, but I hope I gave you enough time.
But is there anything else that you want to talk about?
Well, no, I really thank you for all your work.
I wanted to commend you in that.
I read the article on the challenge to stop cursing.
I think that's a really great thing that all the people listening, I commend you for that.
Do you have a cursing problem with that challenge?
No, I beat my cursing problem a few years back.
Thanks be to God for that.
But it is a, because we do receive our Lord on the tongue.
And so our mouth is something that we really do need to make sure that is pure, that we use it in a pure way, obviously, right?
So it's something that is actually more important than people think.
Let me admit something to you right now.
If I see someone I follow on Telegram or Gab, if they're using curse words or they're retweeting someone who uses curse words, I can't follow them anymore.
Because the curse word opens a door.
It opens a dark door and you don't want to go there.
So at least in the Orthodox Church, you have to confess when you use these words.
And some priests will say you have to confess even when they come into your mind.
So if I have to confess this word, it's that evil.
Why would I follow someone voluntarily who uses that, you know, who uses the language of the demons?
Because I tell you that in God's throne around there, no angel or saint is using curse words.
It's only in hell.
Gary, yeah.
But to convince people this, oh boy, some people, oh, they're attached to it.
No, they like cursing.
Cursing gives them dopamine because they see the reaction on people's faces when they drop this bomb or that bomb.
All right, listen, if you want to curse, curse, but I don't want to hear it.
So curse all that you want away from me, please.
Yeah, and there's a good distinction to be made by vulgarity and profanity, I think, you know, where one thing is sort of taking profanity, is taking something good and making it and defiling it in a way.
So, like, that's maybe just using holy words as a sort of curse word in a way.
You know, I don't want to say them, but anyways, I think you understand what I'm saying.
And then you have vulgarity, which is like a bunch of bodily functions and things like this.
So one is less of an issue than the other.
Vulgarity is less of a problem, but they're both bad, and they both should be, you know, obviously blasphemy is untolerable, but it's, yeah, yeah, that's definitely something that is very important to sort of meditate upon because it's not, we are called to holiness,
and it's not really something that we can all do immediately.
So it's something a lot of people do it involuntarily, and you know, that's understandable.
And so you have to just strive, strive slowly, but surely.
I think I sort of beat it with a psychological trick.
I would say something, I would have like a trigger word that I would say right after I would curse.
That's random, you know, I don't know, snickerdoodle or whatever.
And then I would have to say this word right after I cursed wherever I found myself.
And so that's like a humiliating way to you have developed ways to deal with it.
And I think everyone should follow your example too and not and not curse.
Yeah, and it's a very, yeah, it's slowly.
I'll be praying for for a long time to actually keep me from falling back because it's very easy.
But yeah.
All right, Carler.
Well, thank you for calling.
Yep.
Take care.
Bye-bye.
Bye-bye.
Okay, team, I have to go use the bathroom.
So give me like a minute.
All right, let's go to the next caller now.
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Hi, Roosh.
Am I coming through?
Yes, you are.
Oh, oh, man, it's so good to talk to you, Roosh.
I've been waiting for like for an hour now, I guess.
And well, I'm glad that you are here now.
And where are you calling from?
I'm calling from the suburbs of DC, actually.
Oh, hold on.
Let me look out my window if I see you.
I did see you once.
I think I met you once before.
Okay.
I was born Armenian and I go to the same church that you went to.
And you don't go there anymore?
No, I just I started going to a Russian Orthodox church.
Okay.
All right.
You know, I watched I want to say good, but I don't want the Armenians I know to get angry.
I know.
Yeah, I know.
Don't tell the priest either.
No, no, no.
I wanted to call and share some religious concerns I have.
Okay.
Be consoled or something.
Okay.
I was thinking if anybody could ever deserve to go to heaven.
And what could I ever do that I would deserve to go there?
Because think about it.
When I go to church and I pray and I have this relationship with God and Jesus Christ, yeah, I'm doing it because I love God and I love Jesus.
But what's the underlying factor?
It's the fear of hell, right?
Even that is coming from a selfish place.
And I proposed a thought experiment to myself.
I said, well, what if God came down, descended, and said, those who follow me faithfully will go to hell forever.
And those who are sinners will go to heaven.
Now, the only person who loves God with all his heart would be the man who follows God, even though he knows he would be tortured forever.
And am I ever going to, that's, I think, that's how you know you really love God.
It's when everything's going against you, but you're doing it for him anyway.
And I'm saying, well, I'm not like that.
And I don't think, could I ever get to that point?
And I was thinking about that, and I was so worried.
I was concerned.
Well, I'm going to, I can't love God with all my heart.
I'm just doing this for the salvation.
You know, I'm worried.
I'm scared.
And I was thinking about that.
And then I was like, well, now, why am I so worried?
It's because I want to go to heaven, Rush.
It's not because I love God with all my heart and I want to follow him.
I'm worried about this thought experiment because I want to rationalize to myself that I could get into heaven.
And the more I think about that, the more, yeah, the more scared I become, the more funny I become.
I'm going to interrupt for now to unpack this.
Yes.
I'm sensing a little bit of despair that the evil one has put some ideas into you.
First thing, let me ask, have you been baptized in the Orthodox Church yet?
No, I'm going to be killed.
Okay, okay.
Yeah, I'm going to, yeah.
So you don't have yet the fullness of God's grace to feel his love and the plan that he has for you, but you are getting there.
Okay.
Now there are three levels of how we can approach our relationship with God.
The bottom one is fear.
Please, God, do not send me to hell.
That's the first, you know, that's where most of us start, just this fear of eternal fire.
We don't want to go there.
The second is as a servant where, okay, God, I'll be a good boy.
I'll do this.
I'll serve your will.
But I would like to go to heaven in exchange.
So that's level two.
And level three is pure love.
Like, God, I love you.
I want to be with you.
I want to behold the beauty of your continents forever.
That's the third one.
Now, you will, your faith will change, but it should have parts of all three, right?
So right now, you're in the fear.
You're in the bottom, which is fine.
That's okay.
I wish more people had fear of God.
So you have fear of God, and I do too.
But it seems like you're more dwelling on the fear aspect.
But, you know, that's a start, but you're going to grow out of that.
I think as you get received into the Orthodox Church, The prayers that we give, yes, there's not much, there's nothing we can do on our own from our own fallen flesh that will allow us to go to a heaven.
I mean, we are, there's nothing, we can do nothing good without God, and God tells us that.
Uh, so the point is to choose to do good, choose to do good, and let God's grace give us the increase to perform the good deed or perform the love.
Now, we're not, we don't have, since we're born in the fallen fallen flesh, we don't have this natural inclination to love God, so we have to learn it.
And one thing you can pray to God every night is, God, teach me how to love you, teach me how to love my neighbor like I should.
So, this is something that, you know, as you heal, as you get received into the church and receive the body and blood of Christ every week, this becomes easier.
But you shouldn't despair now.
I mean, this is what you're you having a fear of God is a is a where is a place where you can start to build.
You're not going to always stay there, you're not always just going to your entire life.
The only thing that keeps you close to God is fear alone, so you don't have to worry.
But I would, I mean, you're on the path, I would just stay on that path.
And for the things that you think you lack, whether it's love or whether it's a certain kind of faith that you learned is more suitable to have, then you should ask him because, again, nothing good you can develop, so you have to ask him.
And when he sees that you are ready to take the next step, like a father holding his child's hand, he's going to walk you through that.
But what you're going through is not uncommon.
I think you're a little hard on yourself, but it's not uncommon.
Yes, a lot of us we start off that way where we're just once we realize that hey, a spiritual world exists, and after this life, my soul doesn't die, it goes somewhere else.
Yeah, you become fearful.
I don't want to go to hell.
Um, but you start as your faith grows, it starts to move out of that, right?
I don't know, everything I do just feels very selfish.
Like, I'll go and I'll go and I'll get communion.
I got communion at the Armenian church, that's where I'm baptized.
Yeah, I was like, Well, who am I?
I was thinking, I was like, Well, who am I?
This is literally the body and blood of Jesus Christ.
And why am I getting it?
It's for like a selfish purpose, right?
That's where I guess that's where the fear comes in.
Like, well, who am I to go and it's a gift touch Jesus?
Yeah, well, hey, in the pre-communion prayers of the Orthodox Church, the prayers say, Yes, we are not worthy to receive it, but it's a gift.
He wants us to get this.
Um, and you can pray, God, please make me worthy to receive your body and blood.
I mean, all these things, what you're telling me is there's a truth to it, but you're morphing that truth into this heightened despair.
Um, yeah, we're not worthy to, I mean, from all the sins that we have done, we are not worthy to be in communion with God.
But He loves us so much that He forgives us, and the mercy He has for us is so great that no matter what we've done, as long as we seek Him and ask and beg Him to forgive us for our sins and to show us the truth and the right faith, He's going to put you on the right path.
I hope so.
I mean, He's all listen, He's already doing that.
If he's moving you to the one church and you're about to become a catechumen, he's doing it.
He is doing it.
This is, I mean, God works slowly.
A thousand years to God is one day, right?
So for so for us, it seems like a daily grind and a lot of down moments, but God is very, is very active.
If you're getting into the right church and you're calling in here, I mean, I'm guessing you're following my content in some way.
It's clear to me, it's clear to me that he is working through you.
And I would, I mean, don't let that despair to morph into a point where you think everything is hopeless and there's no point of it all.
Why do I even go to church?
I mean, that's what Satan is actively trying to do to you.
But it's a gift.
It's a gift that stems from all love.
And this love, we don't have it and we don't understand it.
But as your faith grows, soon you will.
Thank you, Rich.
Very, it's a very comforting notion.
I am just bearing away.
Truth.
Yeah.
Well, that's probably why, right?
Yeah.
Just, you know, just hang in there.
And do you pray each day?
Yeah.
Okay, good.
So we pray morning and night.
You know the prayer book in the church, that red book?
Do you know which book I am talking about?
We don't, well, I don't think anyone, as many times as I go to the church, I've never really seen a prayer book, but I ordered a Jordanville prayer book.
Yes, that is the book that I am talking about.
You know, a lot of the prayers in that book address the problems that you are talking about.
So the prayers are built in, going to help you.
So when you get that book, you have a lot of chapters and sections.
You have the morning prayers and the night.
The morning prayers do all of them.
The night prayers do all of them.
It takes about 20 minutes, depending on how fast you can read.
But that's what I would do.
Right.
Okay.
Thank you, Rich.
Okay.
And let me know how things go.
Get in touch and let me know how your catechumenate goes.
All right.
God bless you, Rich.
All right, friend.
Bye-bye.
Yeah, so there is a case of where, you know, I think Satan is actively trying to make him feel this total hopelessness.
And it's common, but he's on the right path.
He just has to stay on it.
That's all.
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Oh, hi, Roosh.
Actually, I'm calling today because I wanted to ask your comments about two topics.
Where are you calling from?
Well, actually, Boston.
Boston, nice.
Okay.
And I have you on the speakerphone, and I hope I'm coming across clearly.
If the callers have come in, my two questions have sort of shifted to the topic of Marian apparitions.
First of all, I want to say I'm coming from a Roman Catholic background with an interest in the traditional Catholic marriage, as we call it.
And because of the issues that have come to light between, as I say, the alliance between the deep state and the deep church, you know, have caused me to look more closely at the Orthodox faith.
So the reason why I'm calling is to ask you a few things about the topic of Mary and apparitions, which is one of the things that I'm concerned about with the Orthodox faith now.
Now, can you define what you are talking about?
Mary and the apparitions?
Is that what you're saying?
Yes, well, I'm referring to it.
Okay, the apparitions, meaning the appearances of the Mother of God in various visionaries and spheres over the years.
And I'd like to just reference the one in Portugal known as Fatima, the city of Fatima.
Not Medjugorje, which I do not believe is authentic, but I'm not sure if you're, are you familiar with the Fatima Portugal?
Oh, okay.
It's Mary in apparitions.
Okay.
Yeah, I have heard of it, and the Orthodox Church doesn't believe it's valid, believes it's something happened, but it's most likely a deception from the demons.
And the demons can predict the future with greater accuracy than us.
So that could explain why they get some of the things correctly.
But we don't believe in that.
We believe that Mary appears usually to the most pure elders, ascetics, excuse me, who worked on their faith for decades and decades and decades.
Like, Mary isn't going to appear to me, but to a monk who's been in the monastery for 50, 60 years, he may get that.
But it's not going to be, Mary's not going to appear to a monk, and then the news crew arrives and everyone arrives.
And, you know, now the monk becomes a spokesman for the prophecies of the future.
That does not happen.
What usually happens is Mary appears, and to stay humble, the monk doesn't tell many people, and then after he dies, the people who knew him will then reveal what he saw.
That's usually the case in the Orthodox Church.
Okay.
Well, the thing is, I just want to reference the Fatima Portugal one because that one really is not over.
And the Catholic Church, I believe, wants to make people think that it's a done deal.
But in that particular situation, three children that were peasant children, uneducated between the ages of 9 and 12, received apparitions from an angel, the angel of Portugal, and the Blessed Mother of God.
And it involves, it may involve the Orthodox Church.
And this is what one thing I wanted to tell you, Roosh.
On the last apparition in Fatima, there was a major solar miracle that was witnessed by 70,000 people.
And at the same time, it was witnessed off-site from where the people were gathered.
So there were sailors that were out in the ocean or in the sea off of Portugal who also witnessed this solar miracle.
And accompanying the miracle was another type of miracle going on where many people who were there received various physical healings, such as healings of their eyesight.
They were blind.
And this is 1917, same time the Bolshevik Revolution was going on.
So one of the Blessed Mother had made requests of the three children, which they were, the Pope was supposed to consecrate Russia.
This is 1917, Russia to her Immaculate Heart.
Not the world, just Russia.
And the subsequent popes, which is either seven or eight, have not followed her request.
They've made, they responded in their own particular way.
So I talked about this apparition with an Orthodox priest who was not aware of the Fatima story.
And he asked me, well, the consecration of Russia, did she mean that the Orthodox Church needed to be converted?
And so this is what she did promise is that if the consecration of Russia was done appropriately to her immaculate heart, Russia would be converted and there would be an era of peace.
So she explained.
I have heard of that.
Yes.
Okay.
So, Rush, this is my point.
If I was looking at the Orthodox Church as a place to go to, to change from Roman Catholicism, I have to look at the fact, you see, the Orthodox Church also has their problems, you see?
And one of them is the fact that they're not looking at Mary and her particular role, that God is elevating her to partake in the world of salvation.
That is not true.
We have a prayer.
We say, Mother of God, pray for me and save us.
And this is a very common one.
We know that God, through the Holy Spirit, has given her a huge role in the salvation of man.
We place her above the angels.
She is still a human.
All this is done by God's grace.
She's not a God.
So all her divine, her role is through God's will.
She is not a God herself.
But that's it, in the Orthodox Church, she gets a, I mean, we pray in the liturgy.
She's mentioned several times.
May I just speak to one more thing here on that Fatima story, which I've never met a Catholic who knows this particular aspect to the Fatima story.
Moving forward from 1917 in the 1930s, the government, the bishops of Portugal got together and consecrated the country of Portugal to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.
And then what happened after that was something known as the Portugal miracle, which, or the Fatima miracle, which affected people socially and politically.
And laws were enacted protecting the family, protecting marriage, and the crime rate had dropped precipitously.
There was no divorce.
There was a major transformation in the whole country.
I take it that you believe that the Fatima appearance is of God.
Right?
I believe the Fatima appearances of God, yes.
And if you can go online and look at the witnesses that were there at the time, but I do not believe the Medjagoria one that's allegedly been going on.
You believe one, but not the other.
So what are you asking me?
Or what does this have to do with what the Orthodox Church believes in?
And I can tell you that the Orthodox Church doesn't believe in the Fatima prophecies.
And we think it's highly unlikely that the Mother of God would appear to untrained children to prophesy.
It's possible.
It's possible in the sense that God can appear to whoever, but we don't believe that this specific instance is valid.
And we do not use this appearance in our faith in any way.
Don't you think, though, Rush, I'm sorry, that the fact that they are uneducated children, they would be better instruments because, you know, they're simple-minded, so they, you know, wouldn't have...
In that way, yeah, but they wouldn't be able to tell the difference between Satan appearing as the angel of light and the real light, because they don't have the vigorous training.
I mean, but yeah, I mean, as a child, they could perceive in maybe a simple way, but that doesn't mean that they can discern the spirits.
No, they didn't have to.
It was the church that makes the pronouncements.
So the church.
Well, if the church is wrong.
I mean, if the church hasn't been able to discern the spirits for a thousand years, then they're not going to get it correct either, right?
So, I mean, we would say, well, the church was cast off in 1054 AD when they decided to go their own way.
They were tossed out of the garden.
They were tossed out of the garden of Adam and Eve in the sense of they were no longer able to discern the truth of God.
They maintained some of it, let's say, but not the full truth that the Orthodox Church does.
So are they able to discern spiritual deception?
And we believe no, that the Orthodox Church is able to, I mean, one thing that when you, if you convert to the Orthodox Church, they will tell you, do not believe any vision.
I mean, and they really hammer this in.
If you get a vision, some exalted being alight, it's from Satan.
Do not, even if it's of the angels, even if it's of God, he will not be upset that you deny this.
So we believe, so I think you have at least, and you go further away, who's even more cut off from God, the Protestants.
I mean, they're speaking in tongues.
They're letting the demons themselves be in their temples and so on and do a lot of crazy stuff.
And they can't even tell it's not of God at all.
They're sitting there in church laughing.
They have this thing where they laugh for hours and they think this is God's grace.
So the further you are away from the truth from the church, the less ability you are able to perceive whether this vision is of God or not.
Rouch, you were just speaking with a caller about the Immaculate Conception, which was revealed also to a simple young man.
When a woman uses your name, you are in big trouble.
Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.
Bernadette isn't, her body is incorrupt.
So does the Orthodox Church have incorruptibility?
Yes, yes, a lot, a lot.
A lot.
I mean, we can go on and on and on.
How many?
I mean, I'm reading, I have a book of the lives of the saints, and we have special days where the uncorrupt relics were moved here or there.
I know Saint Niktarios, he's a recent saint of Greece.
I think he died around 1900s.
That poor saint, they kept uncovering his bones just to make sure that, hey, he's still uncorrupt.
And I think they unearthed him four or five times.
And each time he has not degraded.
So we have that.
I mean, we have, I mean, it's to such an extent in the Orthodox Church that it's turned some people off.
That, God, are we going to worship his, you know, body or this dead person's whatever leg?
So we definitely have that.
All right.
Now, the process of sainthood, have they, have they declared souls as saints since the split, since the schism?
Do they have that process or was that were saints just declared before the schism?
That's another question.
We have tons of saints that have been declared after.
Is that what you're asking?
If the church has canonized?
Yeah, we have canonized a lot of saints, tons of saints.
In the 20th century alone, if you include the new martyrs that were killed in Soviet communism who were confessors and defenders and martyrs of the faith, I don't know how many, but it's a lot.
Okay.
Okay.
Last question.
I'm just going to get off, Henry.
Okay.
It has to do with Jesus when he said to Peter, you are the rock upon which I will found my church.
Now, is the Orthodox church feel?
Well, yes, Jesus designated Peter as the foundation.
No, the Christian to be the head.
No, he said he was Christ, our interpretation, the turtle in the interpretation of all the early church fathers too, is that Christ was saying his confession is the rock, his confession, not Peter himself.
How can not Peter himself?
So he's saying that the confession that Peter just made, that Jesus Christ is the Christ, that's the rock.
Peter was the head of the apostles, yes, but he's not what the church was built on.
Christ is the head of the church, not Peter.
I mean, and plus, why would Peter pick someone to lead his church that he just called Satan, not a moment before that?
So, but the point is, it's the confession that is the rock, not Peter.
That's what the Orthodox Church believes is the massive mistake that the Catholic Church has done.
All right, Luci, thank you very much for your time, and God bless you.
Okay, thank you very much.
Yeah, no early church father believed that Christ was building the church on Peter.
None.
Find it.
Find it and show it to me.
It was all the early church fathers.
It's the confession that Peter made.
And there was a time after where I believe Peter, he denied Christ three times, and Christ didn't even call him Peter anymore.
He called him Simon to show that, you know, he is not the rock that the church is going to be built upon, not a fiery personality.
But he was the leader of the apostles, but he's not what the church was built on.
And I know this is going to upset some Catholics.
You're free to share your views and be upset about it, but that's not.
The Orthodox Church doesn't believe that the church was supposed to be built on Peter.
No.
Okay, there goes all my Catholic friends.
All right, so there's a short queue of calls.
So if you do want to get in, you can call and may not have to wait long.
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How you doing, Roosh?
Pretty good.
How about you?
Good, good.
I've been following you, you know, since your time as a pickup author.
I implemented a lot of this stuff, but I've also been a lifelong Catholic, a very sinful one, but, you know, improving.
And, you know, I've stuck with you through your conversion.
I think it's terrific.
You even had me considering Orthodoxy at one point, but I just feel comfortable in the church, even though I'm embarrassed of this Pope that we have.
I think he is a false prophet, a false prophet.
I think he could be the false prophet.
When I'm in Mass and they mention his name, I actually say somewhat aloud that, you know, Francis is a communist.
I pray for him with the prayer of the faithful.
I actually, rather than respond, Lord, hear our prayer, I actually respond, please expose false prophets.
And I don't care who he is, I think it's the truth and we need to speak the truth.
I just, I do agree with some of what that lady said, and I didn't call to argue Orthodox and Catholicism because I think it's a lot of splitting hairs.
I do accept Marian apparitions outside of Medjigori and all that stuff, but that's not why I called.
I just really, I don't know what you think, but I really do think there's a strong possibility the way this guy in the Vatican matches up with every single Satanic globalist leader and pretty much promotes them, that he really could be the false prophet.
I'd like to hear your take on that.
And then I have another question when you finish.
Yeah, I'm definitely not qualified to answer that.
I think before, say, the final false prophet and before the final Antichrist, there's going to be a lot of types of them.
And even when St. John wrote the last book of the Bible, the book of the apocalypse, I think he said even in that time, there were a lot of Antichrists, right?
There's going to be a lot of types.
Is he the final one?
Oh, I don't know.
I don't know.
But yeah, he seems to be in lockstep with what the ruling agenda is.
I think it's sad because within the Catholic Church, there are a lot of pious people who desperately seek for God and crave him.
Yeah, and I've never denied that.
I may not agree on doctrine and so on, but I don't deny that.
I've met a lot of pious Catholics, and God is in their heart.
But if your leader is this corrupt and this, I mean, going along with the world, that's going to is that not going to damage what the faithful, I mean, is having a leader that is so bad not going to damage the faith of the faithful?
Well, I mean, I can't speak for the other faithful, but when I'm in church and I'm receiving the sacraments and I'm receiving the body and blood of Christ, even though these corrupt bishops are not giving out the couple out of most of them, I do believe that I get the blessing from God because my heart is there in the right place and that I'm not responsible for any of these false prophets that may be doing the wrong things behind the scenes or something like that.
That's just me personally.
I can't speak for the rest of the faithful.
I do think there are a lot of people that, oh, he's the Pope, so okay, he's the Pope.
I mean, this isn't the first bad Pope, even if he's not the false prophet, this isn't the first bad Pope we've had.
But how many bad popes, how many bad popes can the church take?
Oh, that's a good question.
I mean, after a certain point, he's going to wreck the church.
I hear you.
I mean, like I said, I didn't call to defend the Catholic Church.
I called more.
But I don't know.
I don't have the answer to that.
A couple other things.
Your article about cursing really hit home.
I always kind of went about my business that I have a gutter mouth.
I have a terrible mouth.
We've actually met a couple times.
Okay.
And I have a terrible mouth, but I always thought that as long as I don't take the Lord's name in vain, I'm not committing a mortal sin.
That article was really eye-opening, and now I'm trying to make the change, but it's tough.
I got to admit, it's a work in progress.
I wanted to ask you, you see what's going on with these Australian quarantine camps and everything.
And I think that the only reason they're not here already probably is because we have the Second Amendment.
Right.
And now, a question I have for you, one Christian to another, your opinion.
Obviously, we're going to get to a point.
I'm not taking the vaccine under any circumstances, and I'm not one of these Second Amendment nutcases.
I believe in it, but I don't think I'm a tough guy because of the Second Amendment.
What is your position if you're in a state of grace?
If it gets to the point where we're facing either imprisonment or not going alive, do you think it's a sin to not go alive?
And by that is to get the guns and start the blast off.
Oh, okay.
You're not taking me out of my home.
Like, the rubber really meets the road, and it's like, I'm going off to this camp and willingly or I'm going to die today.
I think we have to.
I'm going to die today.
I think we have to use the lives of the saints as a guide.
How did they respond to persecution and what the church thinks of it?
And from my understanding, we're not supposed to go off guns blasting because a government agent, because a Roman soldier is coming to take us away.
So, I mean, you know, and I can't tell you what to do, but it's, I don't think God wants me to blast away cops because they want to put me into a quarantine camp.
I don't think so.
But we all have to make our own choices.
Sure, but I would go.
I mean, I mean, would you go?
What would you do?
What are you going to do?
Because we're both going to be faced with the same situation if it gets to that.
And, you know, since, okay, since you are Catholic, I actually wrote an article about a month ago about a Polish cardinal who was imprisoned during Polish communism.
Have you encountered that?
So what did he do?
You know, he went to prison and he prayed for the prison guards, all those who have done him wrong.
He never lost his love.
I'm also going to do a review at some point in the book from an Orthodox perspective in Romanian communism.
It's a book called The Saint of the Prisons.
And it's a similar story.
It's a little bit harsher because their communism was not as, I guess, gentle as the Polish version where they were being actively tortured in physical ways and horrible ways.
But they kind of said the same thing that in prison their faith grew, that they got closer to God.
It's like what the Cardinal was talking about.
So if that's the case, it looks like any kind of imprisonment on the faithful could be God's way to help save our souls.
So I'm definitely more resistant to fighting it in the physical.
Now, I don't know what God's plan for you is, and only me, even me, it's hard to discern.
But I would imagine that when the cops start banging on my doors, just get my Bible, the prayer book, and go off and see what God has in store.
See how God wants to test me and how he wants to build my faith in this extreme way.
All right.
Thanks, Roosh.
God bless.
Okay.
Thank you.
Bye.
Okay.
See, I can get along with Catholics.
Okay.
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Hello?
Yes, caller.
Okay, mute the video so that I don't hear the echo.
Can you hear me now?
Yes, I can.
Oh, okay.
I just wanted to call to ask you a couple of questions, but thank you for taking the call.
I really admire your work and your conversion story.
Great.
And where are you calling from?
I'm calling from Virginia, but I'm originally from Michigan.
Okay, great.
Yeah, we should be going back then because we got laid off for the vaccine the mask.
So we'll be back going back home soon.
Okay, so what is going on then?
Well, I don't want to go into too much detail, but basically, my husband wouldn't wear the mask.
So we got to do it.
Good for him.
Good for him.
Because it's a lie.
It's a lie.
The mask doesn't prevent anything.
It's a lie.
Now, I won't tell a man what to wear and what not to wear, but I don't wear one either.
So your husband is based.
Yeah.
Yeah, it was pretty awesome seeing him come out of the workplace with no mask on.
Everyone else is wearing a mask.
And the sun was setting behind them.
It really made me happy.
And he's like, so, honey, I didn't wear the mask at work where in poverty now.
Do you still love me?
And you're like, yeah, husband.
Anyway.
Yeah, basically.
Yeah.
That one moment made up for every for all the possibilities.
Hopefully God will look after you both.
And I'm sure I'm sure he will.
Yeah, I think he will.
Or I trust and hope in him.
So I don't.
Yeah, so I did want to ask you a couple follow-up questions about your discussion with the guy who was talking about the Immaculate Conception.
Okay.
And I don't want to be too confrontational, but I do have to.
Are you in the Catholic Church too?
Yeah, I am.
Is everyone Catholic today?
Who saw my Ortho bros?
I'm so lonely here, Ortho Bros.
Okay.
Go ahead.
So my question is like a series of, it's like three questions.
So the first one is, were Adam and Eve born with original sin?
See, you're getting into deeper, deeper topics that as a somewhat new Orthodox Christian, I don't want to misspeak.
You know, I don't want to say something I'm not sure of.
Like if we were having a private chat, I would dive in.
But publicly, to speak of things I'm not sure of or have yet to encounter deeply, I don't feel very, very comfortable.
Like to talk about ancestral sin versus original sin, which I think part of where the Immaculate Conception dogma comes from, right?
That I'm not an expert on.
So I don't want to, so I don't want to, it's not that I don't want to talk to you about it, but I'm not qualified enough yet.
Okay, then I think I'll leave it there.
But why don't you ask me things that I may know or that I can talk about?
Because, you know, I don't know Catholic dogmas that well.
I've encountered it here and there.
I'm more familiar with the Protestant ones because they're more in your face and wrong, I think.
But Catholic ones, you know, and I don't want to get into like attacking Catholics either, but is there anything else that maybe we can talk about?
Yeah, I do actually have one thing that is more not as much divisive.
So I'll just ask for authority.
Like if you are under someone and they are telling you to lie, basically, like they're telling you, they're not telling you to wear the mask or the back.
They're against that, but they're saying, hey, we need to shut down for like a week because of the CDC stuff.
It's my understanding that if your authority is using their authority outside of what God, God's law, then you are obligated to oppose them.
But how do you do that?
How do you think that's a good question?
So when you say you're under authority, is it, I mean, there's various levels of that, right?
You can be under authority to a priest, a holy confessor, to a husband, to a boss, to someone at the store, like a guard at the retail store.
So I guess it would depend on who you are talking about.
Is there maybe more of a specific example?
Yeah, so if you are, again, I don't want to get too, because I'll give myself away.
But basically, like if you employ employee, but you also have other people.
So like you, you are under someone, but then you are also in charge of others.
Like you're not quite a manager, but it's like higher stakes for you because you're not just a bottom lean.
You're like in the middle.
One thing that I can say is that if you are knowingly participating in a lie, something you know that is not true, you are helping to build not the kingdom of God, but the kingdom of Satan.
Because he is, that's where all lies come from, right?
So, you know, I have an $80,000 a year job and my boss wants me to do a small lie.
Do I do it or not?
Well, most people do it.
Most people do it.
Because to leave an $80,000 a year job, because I don't want to do a simple thing that I know is wrong, well, you know, I'm dumb that way because then I'll be broke and poor and on and on.
But the fact is, most corporate jobs, especially jobs that pay well, it's almost impossible not to commit a sin in these jobs now.
You're either or the companies themselves, what they do, they market to the sins of people, their lust, their pride, vanity, gluttony with these toxic foods and so on.
So what you're asking is kind of a general question is how to serve Christ in a secular world, a secular job that doesn't care about Christ.
This is not a secular job.
This is, because I can't get hired at secular jobs because they ask me dumb questions and I just answer saying, I believe.
And Jesus.
But this is like a Catholic, it's like a Christian context.
And so that's worse because then that means that whatever organization you're a part of that's supposed to be explicitly Catholic, if they're pushing lies or things that go against the faith, you have a serious problem now, right?
You know, when it was kind of not as clear as if you should obey or not in a job sense when you're getting your pay from them, I think if you're in the church and your priest is pushing the vax and saying it's healthy and you have to wear a mask in the church, well, I wouldn't go along with that.
You know, I, you know, I wouldn't, there was a, before I converted, I was in the, I was in the Armenian church and the bishop told everyone you have to wear a mask in church.
I didn't.
And it was a couple of times when I was asked, but I didn't wear one.
So I refuse.
And for me, a mask is a lie that is unspoken.
But, you know, by putting on the mask, you are saying, I believe in what all the medical nonsense and the TV and so on.
So my instinct, you know, I'm a little, I don't want to say harder than other people, but I don't like to go along with lies.
If it's a lie, even if it's not directly impacting my faith, I am hesitant because not wearing a mask in a Walmart doesn't impact my faith.
But I don't like to lie.
We have to confess those.
If you lie, you have to confess it.
So why would I willingly participate in something that, unfortunately, due to either the research or curiosity I've done has revealed to me that this is a lie, I wouldn't do it.
But that's just me.
Yeah.
No, I understand that.
I'm just wondering if it's better because it's not the mask.
It's more like just closing down the place of business.
So it's like, do you separate as a form of not doing it?
Or do you stay there and then oppose it like pretty much anytime it comes up?
These are tough spiritual questions.
I don't think I'm qualified to tell you this, but I can just tell you what I would do.
I'm kind of, I'm not a loud person.
I'm not going to yell at a priest for telling me to put on a mask.
I usually with my legs and with my and with my actions, I do what I think is the right thing.
I don't, there was a caller earlier.
He said, how are we going to change the symbolism of the rainbow?
And I show that I'm not willing to try to change the minds of other people.
You know, I'm not a fighter in that sense.
I'll do the right thing, but I'm not going to organize and protest.
So I guess, you know, the closer you get to God and the closer to the truth you get in this time and age, it's going to be a lonely place.
There's not a lot of people who are really focusing on God with all their heart and soul.
The deeper your faith gets, I think the lonelier it will get.
Even within your own church, I mean, how serious does everyone take it?
Or do they only maybe worship on Sunday only?
You know, I don't know.
I can't answer that.
But the point I'm making is that you're going to have to make some hard choices.
And I really can't tell you what you should do.
I really don't know.
I don't know what God, what his plan for you is.
But I can tell you that overall to go with a lie is going to damage you.
It's going to damage your faith because Satan wants you to do a little lie now.
And then the lies get bigger and bigger and bigger.
So I would say as long as you resist to participation.
Of course, if a company has a rule and you don't want to do that rule and then you do something else, that's fine too.
But hold on, I'm seeing.
So yeah, I don't know if that answers you or not.
No, that I think you answered as much as you can.
I'm just getting in a tougher and tougher spot because I'm a convert like you.
And it's like every, it's like I pray consistently.
So then I get more and more convicted.
And then the choices get harder and harder.
And people think I'm more and more of an extremist.
So then it just is kind of a lonely road.
It is.
It is.
And I told you earlier, or I told someone else earlier that someone who was entering the Orthodox church says it, their parents said it was like a cult, you know.
So yeah, that's how people, that's how the secular people are going to approach those who have a little bit of faith and use that faith to decide on the actions that they take.
But at least you have a husband, right?
So you have a, so you're not lonely, lonely.
I don't have a wife.
So I'm so lonely.
So lonely.
Well, I hope you find wife if it's God's will.
And well, thank you so much for your time.
I really appreciate it.
Thank you so much.
Great.
Okay.
Okay.
Take care.
You too.
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It's not getting powered.
Hold on.
Let me.
I think my sound is going to go off soon.
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Why isn't it getting power from the thing?
Let me see if I can do these calls and then just end it.
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Hi, Roose.
Hold on.
Back-to-back girls.
I've never had that.
Hello.
Yeah.
Okay.
Hi, it's Leah.
Can you hear me?
Yes.
And where are you calling from?
I am from the wild of central New Mexico.
New Mexico.
Okay, great.
Yeah.
What is going on?
Well, I am your sister in Christ.
I've been Orthodox since the Annunciation of 2020.
Oh, my God.
Wow, long years.
Long time.
Is good, I needed it.
As your sister in Christ, I would like to ask you a couple of questions about things I'm seeing on the internet that I don't understand.
Okay, by way of a little background, I'm a me, Ma'fa is a Groyper.
I don't know what a Groyper is and I'm seeing, I'm seeing things like, well, I'm on GAB and I'm scandalized.
I don't understand my generation, first year, Gen X right, my generation content of character, content of character, and now it seems we need to all be in tribal groups and I was wondering if you are you sensing this?
And I don't, because I don't understand this really.
Well, let me answer your first one first.
Your first question, what is a Groyper?
Now I want to.
I'm very tempted to make a joke on what a Groyper is, but really, what a Groyper is is a Zoomer conservative.
That's not these fake conservatives that are pushing gay stuff and Zionist nonsense.
So it's basically a Zoomer conservative who believes in the truth.
But they have their own lingo and slang.
And even I'm too old, I don't know.
I remember the first time I saw in the in a chat, oh seven.
And I'm like, oh seven, what is that?
And I tried to figure it out and I didn't know and no one has told me since.
So for over a year I've I don't know what that is, what that is.
Well, I find hello yeah, I can hear you now.
Okay, you're kind of cut out there, sorry.
Well, looking at, I knew when I mentioned this your chat would go crazy.
And what's interesting to me is why don't groipers like women?
Because they're they're addressing the typical secular girl who is on Instagram, Tinder and really high expectations and a masculine attitude and showing their bits to men and who kind of live in this purely secular way of wanting to get dopamine.
And unfortunately, a lot of the university girls.
They fall into that path where they just are out for fun and, you know again, hits of dopamine and good-looking jock kind of guys and um uh, also these guys, they don't want to, from my understanding I, I hope anyway, they don't want to participate in this promiscuous dating type of lifestyle.
A lot of men are really young and they're ready, they want to marry and have kids.
But how can they when the girls, their age, are all about career and things?
So there is a little bit of anger there, there is a little bit of resentment and then you know they and the girls who are in this Groiper sphere.
They seem to desire attention a bit, and that bothers them too.
So that's why I understand that i'm right.
I'm the mother of a son who is in his 30s and I absolutely understand, and I have been married 38 years Groipers, so I am a traditional woman.
Thank you very much.
Uh, i'm just trying to figure out the lay of the land.
Do you know what I mean?
Because this generational thing is a problem and i'm seeing it even.
Well, let me just leave that to the side.
Thank you, Groipers.
I just wanted to know what you meant.
But my master's.
You can call me Elder Groiper.
Elder Groiper.
Ah, okay.
Okay.
I didn't, you know, I just wanted to know.
That said, the masks in church.
To my everlasting shame.
Oh, I didn't hear you there.
Sorry.
I didn't say anything.
Oh, okay.
I'm looking at my screen.
It looked like you were talking.
My apologies.
To my everlasting shame, I was an anti-masker after the first two weeks.
So I didn't go to church in 2020 because of the masking and the shutdown.
And are you a Catholic?
Oh, right, right, right.
Sorry, you know, you told me earlier that you were baptized.
I belong to an OCA church in Albuquerque.
Okay.
Right.
Because we have an OCA church and a Greek church.
That's our option.
And a great priest, good priest.
He's trying hard.
And it broke my heart when I asked him for a blessing.
And he actually pulled back, looked around, and he said, Leah, there are people in our own parish who will turn us into the state.
And at that point, I turned away a bit.
We prayed more at home.
We did all of those things.
But we have, well, I'm a bit of a judgy McJudgerton when people come strolling in with masks, and I'm fighting that, fighting it.
But I don't know how we can get past it.
You know, this is something that I don't know if you heard the earlier call about a man whose family members were getting the vaccine and he wanted to stop that.
It's kind of the same idea here: you know, if you try to tell them a truth that the vaccines don't work, what do they do?
How do they respond to you?
And if they respond with no interest, then they don't want the truth.
They don't want the truth.
They want to alleviate the fears.
They love the alleviation of their fears, the false alleviation of their fears more than the truth.
So that's a belief.
I am so scared that I prefer my fear to be alleviated than the ultimate truths of not only how the world works, but of God.
So can you change that?
I don't think you can.
I think you can give the truth.
Maybe if they're not ready for a big truth, maybe you can kind of inch them along like you're helping a baby to walk one step at a time.
That's possible, but that means you need to have a deep relationship with that person, talk to them often.
That's tough.
Right.
It is.
And I find, well, mostly what I just find for is I'm begging for mercy because I'm judging my brothers and sisters.
We have to confess that.
Yeah.
So, well, thank you.
I have really appreciated this talk today.
I did not know what a Groyper was.
Now I'm informed.
Thanks, guys.
You are the coolest mom ever now.
Well, I've got two grandsons coming up.
Melena, I'm with you.
I want back to tradition, back to wholesomeness.
Let's get back to what life is.
But thank you.
I wish you a beautiful, beautiful nativity.
Thank you so much.
Thank you.
Bye.
Base ortho, mom.
All right, let's take three callers on hold.
I'm going to take those three, and then we'll be done since we're past two hours now.
Let's take the next caller.
Hello, Carla.
You're now live.
Caller?
Caller, that's me.
Oh, yeah.
So I'm calling from Finland.
Finland?
Cool.
That's far away.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I was just going for a few comments maybe and just thanking for your work a few years, two or three years after you started your ortho journey.
So it's quite interesting.
And before you start, can you tell us how life in Finland is now?
Well, it's not the worst in Europe.
But it's getting I think Finland is like six months later than the rest of Europe.
So usually Finland follows a bit later than the other parts.
So the same things are coming, but they are like a bit later because it's not the central part of Europe.
This is a bit late.
Late follower, but they are pushing the same things, but a bit later.
Because Finland is, I mean, we know Finland, they defeated the Russians in the winter war with like with like 10 guys or something small.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, it was the help of Germany in the end.
So Germany helped there.
Even if without Germany, Finland would have lost there.
It was like in the end, Finland was losing like thousand men per day.
So it was like two weeks and Finland would have lost.
Well, if you don't mind, I'd like to spread the idea around the world that Finland is a great country and the men are very strong.
Yeah.
Yeah, that might be true 50 years ago.
But not anymore.
You know, I just wanted to comment on the first, like, the virus issue.
It's quite interesting.
Quite interesting.
I've actually, I'm a physician by training, but I've worked for a few years or so, but not that much anymore.
But it's really quite interesting when you delve into it, like subject.
I think it's quite interesting when you think about if the particles in cell culture, are they like viruses or not?
I think the question is a bit more philosophical.
Or the question, I think, is can you exchange information between people?
You know, are the particles, the data that you're changing, can they change the inner system as well?
I think that's a philosophical question.
It's really quite hard to examine or research that.
And does the thing come from the inside or outside?
Can they information that you, I think it's quite hard to prove, but I think that you can change particles, like information between people.
But is that, do you call that the virus or what do you call that?
I think that's the question.
What the virus is, the modern understanding, is a magic particle that solves all the holes they have in infectious epidemiology.
They need something to explain this gap between bacterial infections and chronic illnesses.
So they need something.
And the virus, oh, that solves it.
So really the virus is their way to solve these problems that they can explain.
And once they own the idea of the virus, they can now start to weaponize it against us.
Not in the sense of, say, engineering a virus, but to control our behavior and actions in response to a virus that only they understand and they can see.
And I also think that the question is actually quite a bit more deeper.
When you think about the ideology or the philosophy of like infectious diseases, it's like very disease focused, not like inner health focused.
Because when you think about quite deeply what does cause like the bacterial diseases as well, because people have bacteria and other stuff in their bodies all the time and they don't get sick, I think the question is, you know, is like the inherent health or like are you a passive like subject or are you what can you do with your health?
I think that the philosophical question is quite deep there.
And the model is like very like that the human is like a very passive subject.
That's the thinking behind it.
And then you can give antibiotics and antibiotics and so on.
I think that's the philosophical thinking.
So what do you think is the cause of this COVID?
I think it's quite hard to say.
I think that it's I think I do believe that you exchange information between people.
And I do think there's something that you exchange like that data between people.
I think that's true.
But it's really hard to say it's really hard to say because there's so much like the data is so cloudy.
There's so much talk of war at the moment.
It's really hard to it's really hard to see like what what's what's really happening.
And I'm not that much of an expert in that.
I don't want to I don't want to like go super deep or you know it's it's really hard to think about.
It's really really hard to say.
The funny thing is the Bible has this concept of exchanging data.
The Bible says that when a man sleeps with a woman, he unites with her in one flesh.
I mean that's a heavy thing.
Now they become one.
And that's what the sacrament of marriage does.
So even God is trying to hint to us, yeah, there is a definite exchange.
It's more than an exchange.
It's a union.
And how we are we are becoming a union with Christ through our faith.
So yes, I think there is some kind of data exchange through I don't want to say viruses, but virus-like or I don't know.
I don't know what the answer is either.
But there has to be some exchange.
I just don't know how it's done.
I don't think it's done the way that they say it's done.
I think that the concept is quite when you think about it, is the human like a computer or a radio?
I think what you think about the world that you see is do you what do you get the information like from the outside, you know, like radio, that the information flows into you?
Or are you like a passive like a computer?
I think the philosophy is you think about the world as you are like a radio that you get signals everywhere.
Then you can then then you can understand that the information can be like different kinds of like particles and radiation and all kind of like information exchange.
I think I think that's that's like the way you think about what what the human is like in a in a sense.
And in that way, if you think about as a radio kind of situation, you can understand that you can emit and exchange information.
I think that that's that's quite in that's quite an interesting like a philosophical caller caller are you there caller?
Okay.
Yeah, sorry, my microphone, it went out.
So now it's fine.
Yeah, so so that's what I I don't know when it when it cuts the cut the call, but I think yeah, the radio thing is is quite quite an interesting way to think about think about the world.
Because it's really hard to research that.
I think it's like really, you know it's really hard thing to think about.
But when you think about like energy and like vibrations and everything, you really start to see that kind of pattern, pattern, pattern in the world.
But it's going to take a lot of thinking to do about that.
But I don't know.
I don't know.
But it's quite interesting.
Interesting way to view the world.
Yeah, I think the scientists, they know less than they claim.
And I think they have a lot of guesses and theories about what happens.
But so much of what they present to us is a theory, but they present it as facts.
And it's not a fact.
It's just they haven't proven it.
Maybe their theory is correct.
It could be.
But it seems like they are presenting theories as facts and using that to inject billions of people with the new vaccine.
I mean, it's really crazy stuff.
Yeah, yeah.
But yeah, it's quite crazy.
And I think it also applies to many, many things.
Because when you really read about stuff and you really bore down to the basics, you see that many times the basics are, you know, quite loose or they're not quite well researched.
Like they are like built on sand.
Many different things are like the basics are quite loose.
In this subject also, but I think in many other subjects, then when you go and read and think, and you can see that they are like built on sand.
Yes.
And the basics are like, yeah, they but when you build on sand and then you play to come up 100 years and you build, build, build, build, and it's it's quite hard to see what is true there.
So sadly, a lot of people believe in the lies and the theories and they are doing all sorts of things to their bodies, to their own children, in order to take away their fear of dying.
And I think we're only beginning to see some ugly things that are going to happen to our fellow man.
Yeah, and also one more comment.
The comment is here, like the situation, like the philosophical thing when you think about it's like the difference is like vitalism and materialism.
I think that's quite the big question here.
Like do you believe that there's an inherent nature or do you believe that the science can solve these things?
I think that's the real battle here.
Like if you believe that there's a materialism thinking, then this is like quite logical thing to do.
That you can just inject something and it helps and you have to do something.
It's quite it's inherently quite logical.
But if you believe that the human body is healthy and can clear this stuff, you don't need anything.
It's like that's that's the battle that I think this is here in one way.
They have people believing that without medical intervention, their body cannot live.
I mean, you are going to die unless you're constantly probed and given things by a doctor.
So they've inverted this idea of health and it seems to be working on a large percentage of the population.
Yeah, it it really does.
It really does work.
It really does work.
Yeah, it's quite sad.
It is sad.
It is.
Yeah.
So one more thing I want to say.
I and thank thanks for the interesting article about the the cancer treatments and such cancer treatment.
That that that that's quite an interesting interesting stuff and you really can see it like The system gives like a little bit of boost of few months in the end, or it gives the sick people a few years to live or two years to live more with bad life quality.
That's what the medical system offers for most of the time.
What I learned, what I'm starting to learn that the medical system does is so you are infected with a toxin, a poison.
You don't know where or what it is, but you are infected.
You are sick.
What the medical establishment does, it gives you an alternative toxin that your body is like, oh, what is this new thing?
So they start to change.
So your body starts to fight the new thing that it gave.
And I think because this change in bodily condition makes you think that you're being healed or something.
But cancer treatment is basically giving a poison to kill the poison.
And I don't know if you know of a really old times when a dictator was scared of dying.
He would take a little bit of poison each day.
So if an assassin gave him a big poison, he would not die because he kind of tolerated through himself through taking a little bit of poison and increasing dosage every day.
We haven't gone away from that.
They're still doing that.
They're still doing that.
They're just giving you maybe a different dosage of the poison or a different poison in order to treat the symptoms to trick you into thinking or trick your body into thinking that it doesn't have the initial illness.
Yeah.
Yeah, I think there's not much truth to that.
And also, if you look at many diseases and you look at the etiological reasons behind them, you can see that we don't know what they are, like high blood pressure, diabetes.
Why are they going up, up, up?
They don't know.
Like they've gone up 100 years, they've gone up like 1,000%.
And they say, we don't know.
That's not an acceptable way to, you know.
And it's every disease, like every big disease.
Not every, but most of them, they say, we don't know.
Isn't that quite crazy?
I'm starting to think that our life expectancies are going to go higher if we don't see doctors.
You know, if we don't get their treatments.
Even me, I'm very hesitant to get over-the-counter drugs now.
It's like, is there a maybe I can take some apple cider vinegar or turmeric or tea tree oil?
Like, I see if there's like a natural thing, but yeah, I don't, I don't trust them.
I don't trust them.
I have first-hand experience of the damage that the doctors do, that the medical establishment does firsthand.
And from what I've read and studied, they're bad news.
They don't know what they're doing.
Most doctors, the average doctor doesn't care about your health at all.
It isn't good.
So I think we're going to have to establish an alternate medical community.
I can be the elder doctor, and then we can go from there.
It might be there's like an alternative system, parallel society that's going to pop up if you don't accept everything in this system at the moment.
Yeah, but no, nothing much else to say.
Okay, caller.
Well, thank you for that chat.
Thank you.
Okay, bye-bye.
Bye.
I have to go use the bathroom again.
All right, and I'm back.
I tell you that for six months after this live stream replay goes online, I'm going to get emails from Catholics about the Immaculate Conception.
Wasn't my intention, but that's what's going to happen.
They're going to be about how I'm wrong.
See, I only do call-ins when I forget how badly the last one went.
So, actually, the call-in I did in March, it was a great call because Father Spiridon Bailey of you may know him, he is an Orthodox priest in the UK.
He called in and blessed the live stream, I guess.
But I do call-ins when I forget the last one.
And so, I'll do another one in nine months or so.
But no, I'm just joking.
Some of the callers were fine.
I just don't, I'm not an expert on all topics.
Okay, goodness.
I just don't.
All right, caller.
You're now live.
Hello.
Hello, caller.
Bruce, can you hear me?
Yes, I can.
And where are you calling from?
Calling from Canada.
Canada?
What's happening there?
Same thing, it's happening everywhere.
I do hear things in Canada are bad.
They're bad, but you know what?
It's a new day.
Okay.
So are you Catholic?
That's a tough question.
I don't know.
It depends on whether or not you whether or not you can be confirmed to a faith by a pedophile or not.
And do you want to be confirmed to that faith?
Well, I mean, we do accept that the priests are capable of sin.
So we don't have a faith, well, at least in the Orthodox Church, where the priest is required to be sinless, as long as he is ordained, not excommunicated from the church, and performs the sacrament of baptism and chrismation, adheres to the form of it, and follows it, then, yeah, you are in that church regardless of his own sins.
I don't know.
I mean, what faith did you get confirmed to?
That wasn't the question I even had in mind.
That's just spontaneous.
You know, that's how these calls go.
Because I don't identify as a Catholic, but that's what I'm saying.
Like, if you're confirmed to that faith, but then you give up on it, I don't know.
Well, then you are lapsed, right?
Yeah, but I mean, I'm still, am I still a Christian?
I still follow Christ.
Okay.
So, I mean, whether I'm a Catholic or not, I don't know.
Well, you are a member.
Well, you have to be a member of a church.
The church is the body of Christ, right?
So this isn't a going your own way.
You could, that's a hard way to be saved to go your own way.
But, you know, I don't mean to, you know, I don't mean to talk about topics that you don't want to, that you don't want to talk about.
So I don't know how we got into this.
The only thing I wanted to offer, I wanted to call in and offer my testimony that you made an observation, and I'll paraphrase because I don't remember exactly how you said it, but something along the lines of, God, if I'm not being a good man, I can't expect you to give me a good woman.
Okay.
And I think that was, I think that's a very fruitful contemplation to hold in mind.
Okay.
Personally.
And I thank you for that.
No problem.
Do you feel that you had expectations of being sent a good woman?
I definitely did.
But, you know, I have to be a good man.
And I'm and whether or not I'm a good man, I don't know.
That's still up to God to Assess, but and I'm a good woman anyway.
So that's the point.
And the definition of good man is what God thinks of it, not what the secular world thinks a good man is.
Because what a lot of people in the world think a good man is, is good looking, is tall, has a lot of money, and he's charming and interesting.
And I'm all about things already, too.
But okay, that's that's great.
But it's more important.
It's more important what God thinks.
You know, I don't want to say anything, but I guess the most humble person you'll ever meet.
The point I was trying to get is: I have met men who have dived into the world of dating, fornication, pornography, masturbation, and then maybe still doing those things and say, I'm a good man.
Where's my good girl?
Well, and he thinks he's a good man because of the secular qualities, right?
So I guess my point is: well, in God's eyes, due to your participation in mortal sin, you're not good.
You're not good, but you can be, but you're not good.
So he would only send you a woman that matches the spiritual state or the lack of God that you have.
I agree.
It's a hell of an observation.
And it puts the onus back on the person doing the contemplation.
Sure, sure.
If you don't have a good woman in your life, I mean, at least be honest.
Yes.
Get up the porn hub.
Not jack off less, but cease it entirely.
No masturbation.
No masturbation.
Zero masturbation.
But listen, you've got, you have to.
It makes him.
Look, the savage superego will destroy anybody.
You can't just quit cold turkey.
Yes.
No.
With God's help, you can quit cold turkey.
Now, if you're using your own ability and strength, if it's this no fap, November deal where it's just a willpower deal.
Yeah, that's tough.
That's tough because our own strength is more weak than we can imagine it to be.
But God can allow that.
And if you pray to him, he may decide to wipe that sin from your slate overnight.
Other times, he may want you to work through it in time and heal slowly.
But I would say a good goal is to not do it ever.
It's a good goal, but I mean, for the people who are not either not able to or they will.
No, no, no, no.
You are able to.
You are able to.
If your faith gets to a point, you will be able to do it.
God wouldn't make us in a way where it's impossible to serve the commandments that he has given us.
So, but yeah, I mean, it depends on your level of faith.
But saying that, but saying that that's the ultimate goal and anything less than that is going to be, I don't know.
I'm coming out from a position of unconditional love.
Is it unconditionally loving of me to forgive a guy for jacking off?
It's not for us to judge him.
If a guy is a masturbator, I'm not going to judge him for that.
Of course, if he needs advice, guidance, I'll give it to him.
But yeah, we still have to love him anyway.
He's still made in the image of God, correct?
But for ourselves, if a man is watching right now and he says, well, I only masturbate once a month.
Okay, you commit a mortal sin once a month.
That's not going to help you unless you should strive to cooperate with God to not do it ever.
That's what I would say.
Yeah, no, I agree.
But I'm just a matter of past tense versus present tense, but not trying to use it to excuse future masturbation, but as to forgive you for past ones, you know.
Okay.
The superego will divide that and say, no.
Superego, I don't, I'm not, what is that?
That's not a church term.
Okay.
What do you mean by that?
Well, I mean, what is that?
I don't know.
What's the Orthodox Christian or the Orthodox Church view on the id, ego, and superego?
I don't know.
We don't use that term.
That's a modern psychoanalysis term that Sigmund Freud foisted upon the world to justify his overly sexual interpretation of how humans behave, right?
So that's a modern term.
That's why I don't know what specific definition you're using when you use that word.
Like, how do you define that?
So id would be anything that your animal is going to do.
Ego is anything that you think that you're going to do.
The superego is something that you'd rather do, something that would be better for you.
What the flesh wants to do.
No, what the flesh is the id.
And the ego is the rationalizations of how to deal with that.
And the superego is the rationalizations of how to deal with the ego.
Okay.
It maybe isn't useful for you.
It's useful for me.
Yeah, I mean, if it's useful for your faith, that's fine.
But I haven't used those terms being used by the saints and so on.
No, so what would their corollary be?
Because all of their thoughts are not going to be coming from the same place, right?
You can't just say all thought is useful.
I mean, at least in Buddhism, there's right thought, correct?
So in the Orthodox, we want right thought versus wrong.
I feel like you have adopted maybe the definitions and phrases from multiple schools of thought.
Is that correct?
Yes.
Okay.
Obviously.
I see a danger in that.
I know.
But we're not talking about me.
We're talking about you.
I know, I know.
Okay.
The Orthodox view on a term that they don't use?
In Buddhism, there's right livelihood, and there's right thought.
Okay.
So there's the recognition that you can do good in the world and you can do evil.
You can think good thoughts and you can think evil.
No, I don't think well.
Okay.
Okay.
Go ahead.
So is there no differentiation in the Orthodox Church?
There is a differentiation between good and evil, yes.
And there is a differentiation between what the flesh is capable of and what we are capable of through God's grace.
Yes.
And that anything good we are able to do, anything good from the perspective of God, whether it's a thought, behavior, or action, is from God because our fallen flesh is not capable of doing good.
So you don't have a term for that?
I just told you what it is.
Good, evil, grace.
I mean, do you need a term?
Well, no, I'm just curious.
If you're not able to identify which thoughts are useful or which thoughts are.
Okay, okay.
So we have, there's three places that thoughts can come from, right?
They can come from the flesh, so your fallen nature.
They can come from the demons, or they can come from God.
So there's three sources of where your thoughts come from.
So why can't you say that that's id, ego, and superego?
Because it's not.
Because the words are different?
Because the words you're using were invented by a Jewish psychoanalyst who was a cocaine addict and got it wrong.
Where's your proof that it's wrong, though?
Can you?
What is that?
Where's your proof that what he said was wrong?
Because it doesn't accurately describe the truth.
It doesn't describe both the material and spiritual reality of what exists.
But I think this conversation could easily get into an argument about the existence of God.
I mean, that's where this seems to be going.
I don't think so.
Why?
You believe in God, right?
Yes.
But do you?
We debate that.
Of course.
Do you believe in God?
Okay.
Why would you think that I don't?
Because Freud, I don't disagree with Freud.
Because you're using non-Christian sources to construct your view and reality.
Yeah, but I mean, so if I use Buddhist or Muslim sources to construct the view that Christ is the Savior, that would be wrong?
If it's from their perspective, yes, it is wrong.
Because the Muslims, anyway, don't think that Christ is the Savior.
The Buddhists don't, and Freud don't either.
So they wouldn't say that anyway.
No, but what I'm saying is if you use those teachings to reaffirm that Christ is the Savior, how is that wrong?
But look, okay, because you're not in the church currently.
So whatever teachings you have used from them hasn't borne any fruit of you being in the body of Christ in the church that he is in.
So if you're saying I follow the Muslim elders and the Buddhist elders and I pray at home every day and I'm not a part of a church, I'm not receiving the body and blood of Christ or receiving the sacraments, then how can you convince me that those sources are actually helping your faith?
Well, how can you convince me that they're not when I'm living proof that they are?
Because you're not in the church.
See, what does that mean to you?
I'm not in the church.
Are you receiving the body and blood of Christ every Sunday?
Because I'm in Canada and those churches are actually forcing me to wear masks.
I don't go to those places because Christ is not in those places.
So no, I'm not in that church.
So there is a, okay, Christ told us that the gates of hell will not prevail against his church.
So there is a church there that has the fullness of God's grace and love, and the sacraments are valid.
So it's our job to use the lifespan that we were given to find that church.
Because Christ said, if we don't drink his blood and eat his body, there is no life in us.
And he meant that in a literal sense, because the bread and the wine, once they are consecrated by the priests, literally transform into the body and blood of Christ, which we must take to begin to overcome our fallen nature, overcome the world, since we are chosen out of the world and seek our salvation and eternal rest with Christ himself.
If you are not in the church and you're being guided by non-Christian sources, I think, in my very rudimentary neophyte position as an Orthodox Christian, that you're in danger.
Now, I'm not your guide or anything, but just from what you said on this call, I don't know you.
I would say that you bringing in these alternative non-Christian sources to shape your thinking on things will cause you to stray from the truth more likely than to become in union with it.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just your opinion, man.
Thanks for taking my call.
I appreciate it.
Okay, caller.
Good luck.
Have a good one.
I hope I conveyed the truth in a clear way.
that's all I want to do let me try this color Hello, Carl.
You're now live.
Hello, Roo.
How's it going?
Pretty good.
And where are you calling from?
I'm calling from the Satanic Bay Area.
The Bay Area.
And for people who don't know, that's San Francisco.
Yes.
Yes, it is.
So I've been on hold for these last 30 minutes to do the Father Time Groiper.
You, the teapot of all of us groipers, a favor, and tell you what 07 means.
I know what it means now.
It means a gun.
What?
That is true.
Son of a gun.
No, no, it means salute.
It means salute.
All right.
Well, then, in that case, what do you think of Jonathan Pajot?
He is.
By the way, I hear something in the background.
If you can mute that.
I think he is in the Orthodox Church.
He draws icons, correct?
Yes.
I don't, I'm not too familiar with his work.
I know he has done some interviews, but I don't know a whole lot about him.
Okay.
All right.
Well, I'm just curious if you appreciate his iconography or anything to that effect.
I just wanted to tell you what 07 meant.
That's all.
That's all.
Okay, buddy.
Bye-bye.
Bye-bye.
He was in a loud place.
Okay, and those are all the callers.
So we're done.
Whew, I made it through.
Made it through all those Catholic haters.
Catholics are so mean.
No, I'm joking.
So yeah, we just got into about three hours of calls.
And if you don't know this, when I first started doing live streams, I did call-in streams only.
So every stream I did was just call-ins.
And most of the call-ins were about girls, how to meet girls and where to find girls and how to talk to girls.
That was the idol that us men had back then.
But the world has changed.
So I guess that's it.
I'm looking at the chat now.
And I think I made it through with the minimization of Orthodox mistakes.
That's my goal here, not to speak incorrectly of the faith, to be a good representative of the faith.
And if I misspoke or if I hurt anyone's feelings, I apologize.
That's not why I do these.
Just trying to share my own faith and what I know.
You know, just because I don't agree with the Catholic doctrines doesn't mean I don't like Catholics.
So I don't want people to get that idea.
And the Protestants, too, if you're a Protestant or Catholic, you know, that's your choice, and that's fine.
Doesn't mean we cannot speak a good word about our Lord and Savior, right?
Okay, so I guess that's it.
Does anyone have a question in the chat I can get to?
And let me also see if anyone accidentally left a super chat because I wasn't doing super chats yet.
Someone may have left it.
Let me check.
Okay, actually, a couple of people did leave it.
So there's two super chats.
Matthew said, Hi, Roosh.
I was baptized as a Catholic as a baby and raised without a religious education.
Finally, at 31 years old, I had my first confession on Thursday.
You were a big part in my turning to the Lord, and I thank you with all my heart.
Big thank you from France.
God bless.
See, I'm converting people to the Catholic Church.
So you Catholics, you can't be mad at me.
No, I didn't convert anyone, but Gersh says, Good to see you again on Cozy Roosh.
You're my favorite streamer.
Thank you so much.
Thank you.
all right let's see if there's any questions in the in in the chat is ruchon gab Yeah, I'm on Gab.
My username is Roosh V. Ruch, what do you think of Stephen Anderson?
I hope he one day converts to the one holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.
The Orthodox Church.
Sorry, I shouldn't have said that.
See, the pride just finds a way in there.
Always.
And a user says, Are you cold, shower-pilled, Roosh?
I am pilled in the sense of if the flesh wants to do it, then you shouldn't do it.
So if the flesh wants to take hot steaming showers, you should turn that knob over and it should be a little bit cold.
I can't even say his username.
Will you have E. Michael Jones on again?
I would like to, yeah.
So I see him as a wise man who calls upon God to educate him and understand what the world is.
So I've already interviewed him like three or four times now.
Roosh, how have you been sleeping?
That's a weird question to ask.
Are you trying to confirm if your nighttime poison injection on me darts have been working or not?
Been sleeping all right, I guess.
Roosh, do you got a Zog-free breakfast guide?
Yes, actually, I'm glad that someone asked me.
So what I eat for breakfast is organic oatmeal with coconut oil, almond butter, honey, cinnamon, and nutmeg.
And it is tasty.
Like one spoon.
So you do a serving of oatmeal, one spoon of coconut oil, one spoon of almond butter or peanut butter, and some honey.
Then you dust it off with cinnamon a lot and then some nutmeg.
You let it sit and stir it.
It makes you full for a long time because of the coconut oil.
Coconut oil is very filling, very just a spoon of that thing, and you don't want to eat.
Okay.
Ruch, what do you think about Mel Gibson and his take on the Jews and Catholicism?
I don't really know.
I don't know what his take is looking for question marks.
Rush, do you have any tips for young trad couples?
Hmm.
Young trad couples.
Yeah, just become a strong, strong members of your church.
Serve God.
Know that your spouse is the vehicle to your salvation, really.
God sent you this person to work on your salvation.
His or hers too.
So what a task.
And you will have to give an accounting for the salvation of, if you're a man, since you're the man in it, you're going to have to give an accounting for the salvation of your spouse, your wife and kids.
So definitely take the marriage as serious as you can in the spiritual sense.
Wedgelord asks, what's the lifetime confession like?
I'm not even a catechuman yet.
So some of the Orthodox priests want you before you get baptized to do what's called a lifetime confession, where you confess all the sins that you can remember since you were born.
So because when I got baptized, the priest didn't have several hours of time.
He didn't do one.
But from what I understand, a lifetime confession is something of a new, it's a bit of a new concept, and it's just helpful for people to do one.
I didn't do one.
But some won't.
I mean, even without doing the lifetime confession, when you get baptized, all the sins you have done up to baptism is wiped clean.
All of them.
All of them.
So that's why you put on a white garment because that refers to the purity.
You're the most sinless person in the church as soon as you get baptized until the first thought of anger and pride comes in, which could come in quickly, and then you're not anymore.
And then your baptismal garment gets a little bit stained.
But that's why we have the sacrament of confession to wipe that, to wipe those sins clean.
But it depends on the priest.
Ruch, what do you think is worth doing in the world?
I'm struggling to find anything worthwhile.
Nothing.
This world is nothing.
It's all going to transform at the end.
It's all going to fade away.
When you die, you can take nothing into the grave.
No skills, abilities, hobbies, your ability to cook oatmeal.
All of that goes.
The only thing that's worth your while is to serve God.
That's it.
I mean, I've tried everything.
I've tried everything.
And I'm old, but not that old, but I've tried everything.
It's all vanity.
It's exciting when you start things, but then it just gets old.
And you realize that the reason it gets old is because there isn't truth in it.
There isn't God there.
And it seems to me that serving God and serving your neighbor, just that's the only thing that is worth its while because once the body dies, then those things that you did to serve God and to serve your neighbor will continue to benefit your soul.
So I would say focus on things that benefit your soul, which is going to last for eternity instead of your body, which, as you see, is not going to last a long time.
Hey, Rush, how many times a day do you put beard oil on?
Zero.
Zero.
I don't use beard oil.
I never have.
I mean, I already have a greasy face, so I don't need it.
And Joey asks, Have you baked any cakes lately?
Yeah, I baked a vegan vanilla cake for my mom.
It was her birthday, and it came out all right.
I noticed that you can veganize just about anything.
I mean, they even have vegan mac and cheese, and I haven't tried that one, but I'm not they have vegan butter.
I mean, it seems like if you're a vegan and you're eating foods that taste exactly like the real thing, I'm trying to understand that.
So, you crave it, you crave the animal fats, you crave the animals and the products of them.
So, why are you vegan if you're still attached to it?
Me, I use that stuff because when I'm fasting, I can't eat it.
I think in my human weakness, I eat foods that taste like the real thing.
Was there a specific point in time you decided to abandon your previous lifestyle and become a devout Christian?
Yeah, I talked about that in my book, American Pilgrim.
This happened in March 2019.
Maybe a couple more.
Oh, here it is.
What would you do in the event your wife agitated for divorce?
Well, I can't control her if she wants a divorce, and she the first thing I do: if it was a divorce that's not caused by infidelity, then I would go arrange some marital counseling with the priest of our church and see if the priest can find out what the root of this problem is.
And if we can solve that, I would pray.
So, I would look for spiritual ways to solve that instead of looking for someone else.
Okay, that's it.
All right, team.
Thank you for being patient with me.
As I answered those calls, thank you to all the callers.
Um, and I guess that's it.
So, I this is probably going to be the last stream I do this year, and in maybe a few weeks, I'll do a news stream.
We'll go back to our regularly scheduled program of just bad news, just three, four, five hours of bad news.
So, this was nice to break those up with this call-in show.
And hope to see you next time.
Please pray for me, and God bless you all.
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