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Roosh Hour #44 - Jay Dyer (NEW)

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	All right, my voice better be normal this time.
	Tell me if it's not normal, people.
	Thank you.
	I'm a higher you can just you can just interview one of my books and I'll just read the book Soy face You make my head really far away.
	Okay.
	So, Jay, thank you very much for coming on today.
	Thank you.
	I'm glad to be here.
	And you can do a Bane impersonation if you put the over your mouth.
	Talk like Bane.
	Okay, can everyone hear me?
	I can't handle this high tech, man.
	This live streaming.
	Oh, geez.
	I'm out of my league.
	I should stick to writing.
	Anyway, Jay, so now that we got all the technical difficulties out of the way.
	The first question I want to ask you is, how did you get involved?
	Well, first, let me ask you, what kind of work do you do?
	For someone who doesn't know a lot about you, what kind of work do you do?
	I do books.
	I do a TV show.
	I did a lot of video work, YouTube type stuff.
	And I do a website that analyzes this film, Geolitics Popper.
	And then I expanded into doing a lot more debates, a lot more theological and philosophical topics.
	So I try to cover a broad range of topics.
	And as I was saying before, we had to start over.
	I had read Return of Kings for many years.
	And I think we had mutual friends that contributed to Return of Kings.
	And I'd read it for a long time.
	And I saw that you had a good model at that time of how to turn your blog into making a living.
	So I kind of modeled what I did on that.
	You know, I was talking about two different subjects, but that's what I do.
	I analyze culture.
	I write on it.
	This year, we're doing a couple of books on philosophy and theology, God's existence, that kind of stuff.
	So we've kind of expanded into talking about more than just Hollywood, but that's kind of where it started was when I was doing grad work.
	I was mainly trying to take what I was studying for psychological warfare and pop culture and film and put that into a blog.
	Okay, great.
	And have you seen that more people as time is going on is more interested in the dealings of these kind of hidden codes and what the elites are up to?
	Or is people kind of wanting to stay in the shadows and not really understand what is going on?
	No, I think there's a tremendous upsurge in people who are woke to these issues.
	I think 10 years ago when I was like writing my grad stuff that dealt with the topics of Hollywood and the CIA and propaganda, if you talked about it to people, they thought you were crazy.
	It was just seen as something just kind of loony.
	And to be fair, when I first heard of the topic, I thought it sounded a little crazy, a little out there.
	And it wasn't until you go down that rabbit hole, you start seeing that actually there's a lot to back this up.
	There's been a long time correlation and connection between governments and propaganda outlets, movies, Hollywood fiction, even written fiction has a long history of being involved in being an organ of propaganda.
	So, yeah, it's just kind of like if you study something for a long time, it takes people in the public about 10, 15 years to maybe catch up.
	So people are just now kind of catching up to stuff that I've been studying for a long time.
	But yeah, there's definitely an upsurge in wokeness for sure.
	So Jay, let's get to the meat of it.
	In your model of the world and from all of your research and thinking and studying on the matter, who is really in charge?
	Who is really running the entire show?
	Ultimately, I don't think we can make sense of things without a spiritual worldview.
	I think we need to go beyond just the domain of explaining how there could be so much coordination, so much evil, so much degeneracy being promoted in a coordinated way across the world without expanding it beyond just the human realm.
	So I certainly recognize the importance of power blocks and different geopolitical factions and this kind of stuff.
	There's no doubt that that's a big part of this game.
	But one of the ways that I kind of inadvertently got into that was researching the world wars of the 20th century, reading big geopolitical tomes like Tragedy and Hope.
	And then you start to realize that these power blocks are behind the wars.
	They're behind economic booms and crashes.
	And they really have a hand in a lot of these things.
	I'm not saying they run everything, but there is, I think, a dominant Western power structure in the human sphere that has the upper hand in terms of the globe.
	And then I think beyond that, there is also a spiritual understanding of this that I think the Bible makes more sense of.
	I know you mentioned David Oc the other day.
	You mentioned Aik and the Cheetah Ori.
	But I think more a better explanation than Archon's is the biblical presentation.
	So I'll give David Icke credit for understanding that it seems to go beyond the human domain.
	But I think the biblical explanation is better than the sort of Gnostic presentation that he has.
	So when, you know, and I know we don't have hours to explain how the unseen connects with the scene, but in terms of the scene, a lot of people think that the president of a country, he's the one who rules the country, that the buck stops with him.
	He has power.
	And I think that through your work, you argue that, no, it's not him.
	He's something of a pawn.
	So if a president of a country, a prime minister of a country doesn't have power over that country, then who would you say does?
	Well, yeah, the way that I got into that was actually inadvertently as well, because if you study topics like banking, if you study topics like money printing, money, the philosophy of money, economics, you start to realize that there's nothing new to the notion of powers in the background, the idea that there are powers behind the throne.
	You know, if we go back to the times of the Middle Ages, kings, nobility, this kind of, you start to realize that there have always been, you know, shadow players.
	I'm sure everybody maybe saw some parts of Game of Thrones.
	If you remember the bald guy, Varez, right, he's one of the powers behind the throne.
	He's very manipulative.
	He's able to manipulate people.
	That's an archetype of a character that's existed pretty consistently in history.
	So many works that are pretty mainstream ultimately come to vindicate this idea that shadow government or shadow banking or these kinds of things are not new ideas.
	They've been around for a long time.
	It's just that in the modern propagandized world, especially in the West, we aren't told about that.
	You really have to be at the more academic level of people studying for international relations, getting their PhD in that or getting a high-level banking position before you start to learn about how the world really works.
	In fact, some of the think tanks, the big powerful RAN corporations, Berkings Institute, Carnegie, they will actually have people come and lecture future and prospective CEOs on this very thing, how the world really works.
	And they don't really care about it coming out because they know that most people in their mind are not really going to figure this stuff out.
	I mean, who's going to read Brzezinski?
	Who's going to read, you know, Jacques Attali?
	Who's going to read Kissinger, right?
	Mostly just the sort of academic governmental class of people.
	So once you're in the academic realm, if you're doing that kind of graduate style work, that's where you get exposed to a lot of this material and even some of the people.
	And for those of you in the chat who are leaving super chats, I hope to get to them after, but I don't want to ruin the flow of what we have right now.
	So, Jay, so with these powers, what are the main institutions that they use to control not just an individual country, but multiple countries at the same time?
	Is there some kind of force or again or organization that helps them to coordinate, that helps them to stay on the same page to implement the agendas that they want?
	That's a great question.
	I don't have any problem really with the pyramid model or structure.
	In fact, somebody put out an infographic a few months ago.
	I've used it in a lot of my streams.
	You don't have to pull it up, but if anybody wants to, they can find it.
	I'm sure it's the one that shows all of the people who are heads of executives of mainstream media corporations and the heads of those same people who go to Bilderberg and those same people who go to the CFR meetings, right?
	So it's the exact same people who are seemingly just one side of the pyramid, so to speak, just in media, and they all go to the same international, very powerful events.
	And so these kinds of international steering committees that David Rockefeller bragged about setting up in his memoirs, those are one example of how this is coordinated in a global way.
	And that's just media.
	So there's also meetings for the banking industry.
	There's also meetings like this for big pharma or medicine, right?
	So we can see it across the spectrum in these different areas of life.
	The same thing happens for academia, for education.
	These big global confabs have been going on for a long time.
	And that's just one of the ways, steering committees, as they're called.
	But there's also NGOs, foundations, think tanks.
	These are very powerful.
	I mentioned a minute ago, things like Brookings Institute.
	And one of the most powerful is the RAN Corporation.
	And really, the RAN Corporation is the brains behind the entire Cold War.
	One of the talks I did was Alex Abea's book, Soldiers of Reason, which is the official history of the RAN Corporation.
	And in that book, he says that if you have a problem with America or 21st Century America, you have a problem with the RAN Corporation because they are the brains behind where we are in America now.
	So think tanks, NGOs, foundations, they do a lot of the work, the legwork that maybe 50, 100 years ago would have been done by an intelligence agency or in the military.
	So a lot of that has sort of switched over into being more of a private thing.
	And so you can get a lot more done under the cover of, oh, we're just here in your country to give you Pepsi and Coke.
	And we want to set up women's rights and we want to set up free schools and micro loans and all this stuff is just a cover for social engineering.
	So let's do an example.
	Let's say someone at the top of the pyramid, he's like, you know, I want the world to get vaccines.
	I want to implement it because for some, because he believes that this level of compliance will serve him in some way.
	So the guy at the top of the pyramid says, okay, this is what I want.
	How does that order begin to spread outwards?
	Where does it go from there?
	And then how does it happen that, say, I am going to the pharmacy and there's a big sign saying you must get the flu vaccine or you will be in danger?
	How, I mean, do you have an idea of how that kind of comes down?
	Well, I don't know if there's anybody you could think of, but maybe Gil Bates is somebody who comes to mind who says, we need to get those numbers down.
	We need to get the ruches having too many children.
	And so if we use my little algorithm calculator here of how to poison all of his offspring, we can get those numbers down in the Roosh offspring.
	Yeah, I mean, Gil Bates is a great example of somebody who is that kind of a figure, right?
	He is maybe not at the top of the pyramid, but he's definitely up there pretty high because he was kind of put into that position of being the face of Microsoft.
	His background, of course, is a family that was definitely involved in the deep state, the military and dose or complex side of things.
	A whole side that I didn't even mention was like the tech side, right?
	DARPA and this kind of stuff.
	That's a whole other side of the pyramid, which all connects into the same structures, the same committees, the same people.
	So, basically, I think what happens is you could take somebody like Brzezinski.
	He's a great example, maybe better than Bill Gates, because I know more about Brzezinski's life.
	So, he was an expatriate during the Cold War.
	His family came over.
	They were noble Polish, noble Polish family.
	And then they left, I think, due to communism or something to go to Canada.
	And so, Brzezinski went to McGill University, which was a hub of MKUltra at the time, ironically.
	And Brzezinski wrote a book which would catch the eye of other really powerful people.
	So, he wrote Between Two Ages, which is a 1973 book on technocracy and where the West should go, where it needs to go.
	Kind of a planning book.
	And David, it caught the eye of David Rockefeller and he said, you know what, I'm going to set up an entire committee, steering committee, just for this guy to run.
	And so he called up Henry Kissinger, and Henry Kissinger called up Brzezinski and said, We want you to come and run the trilateral commission.
	So you get Brzezinski being the head of this thing.
	And so then what Brzezinski can do is organize these trilateral meetings where the real, you know, the most powerful banking, tech, elite, media people will come and sit in and they'll organize meetings with other heads of state and they'll say, you know, we would like to do this.
	They'll banter around, have some debate.
	But that's kind of the way it gets implemented.
	It gets implemented by these really, really highly powerful people who set the policy and then it kind of trickles down through the corporate sphere, like you were talking about, like at the local Walgreens.
	Well, that would be decisions made by the board of Walgreens and the shareholders.
	And there have actually been multiple studies that show that I think some outrageous percentage of like the Fortune 100 and maybe even the Fortune 500, it's controlled by a small number of people who own the controlling shares.
	So just by peer review research, it was a Swedish study from 10 years ago.
	You can look that up.
	People have done TED Talks on it even.
	Just by looking at who owns controlling shares, there's already a very small number of people who could control a large portion of the global economy.
	And so that's how it happens: you have these yearly meetings where they propose these ideas.
	It gets debated a little bit, and then it kind of trickles down into what you're talking about, the local pharmacy or whatever.
	So let's just say that I want that kind of power.
	I want to be in the elite club.
	I want to be calling all the shots.
	How do I get in?
	Like, what do I have to do to get all the way up there to where I'm working for Bill Gates and I can be in the position of Zbigniew Zhabirinsky or whatever, however you say his name?
	I want to be that top dog.
	How do we get in?
	Because we are smart guys, aren't we?
	I mean, is there anything we have to do to get in just to be smart, just to want to control billions of people?
	First thing you got to do is put your pee-pee in the poo-poo.
	That's the first thing you do.
	And then you're initiated.
	No, not really.
	Although that does actually, that may be kind of accurate.
	That does occur actually in the Skull and Bones thing.
	I think they do have a kind of a quasi-gay thing that they're involved in in Skull and Bones.
	But typically, you would need to be at an Ivy League school.
	Maybe not always, but you're not going to be in it unless you're like the stock of Darius from ancient Persia.
	I don't know what your bloodline is.
	Which I'm not.
	Okay.
	Well, Darius, right?
	Maybe you're related to there.
	I don't know.
	But the first thing is that some people have classed the power structure between the bloods and the brains.
	And so bloods would be people who have a kind of a known lineage of some sort that's respected.
	So, this would be, you know, if you're obviously from a Rockefeller Rothschild family, you have a lot of advantages for being in the power structure.
	Not always.
	Sometimes people leave those families and aren't even brought into it because it's kind of like a mafia, you know, like if you've watched mafia movies, like it's not the kind of lifestyle for everyone.
	But if you're not born into like a privileged elite, you know, household or whatever, then most of the time it would be whether you're recruited from Ivy League universities.
	So most of the time, people from Harvard, people from those business schools, London School of Economics, Oxford, Cambridge, those have been the primary recruiting grounds for who will go on to be what are called the managerial class.
	So I would say that roughly speaking, in the last hundred years, you could speak of an inner party and then an outer party.
	So the inner party would be these really, really powerful, wealthy families and elites, 12, 13, 15, who knows?
	It doesn't really matter.
	And then outside in that outer ring would be the helpers, as they're called.
	And these are the people who are like the 6,000 academics.
	In fact, one of the elite, David Rofkop, he wrote a book about the managerial class, the 6,000 people that run the world who work for these sort of eye of the higher level pyramid people.
	So to get in would require most likely you're at a university, you're at Harvard, you get approached by, hey, we want you to come work at our foundation.
	We think you're a bright kid.
	You could, you know, really promote this, that.
	Maybe you go spend 10, 20 years working at different NGOs and think tanks, and then you move up and then maybe, oh, we'd like you to come work at the National Security Council.
	And so that's how it works is kind of like climbing this global sphere.
	And that could be somebody who's a CEO.
	It could be any of these kinds of things.
	And it does help, I think, to have had, we were joking about skull and bones.
	I mean, that definitely helps to have that kind of fraternal connections.
	Maybe Freemasonry could be involved in this or just Phi Beta Kappa, you know, these different kinds of networks that connect you to these higher level people.
	But yeah, without the pedigree of a very wealthy, powerful family or going up the ranks of Harvard or something like that, you're probably not going to be introduced into the actual power structure.
	So I guess if you have to ask that question, you will not be let into that big, big club.
	Okay, so we kind of talked about how they have control, broad control over policy agenda.
	The guy at the top of the pyramid, he makes the order from that he probably received from his experts, the models.
	Now they're using machine learning AI to this is how we should do it to maintain power.
	But how specific does it get concerning the controlling the behavior of the individual?
	Like how micro do they get?
	Okay, they want me to take a vaccine.
	Okay, that's once a year, let's say.
	But how much is it, does it go day to day where they want to control hour by hour the things I do, maybe even my own thoughts?
	Or does it stay mostly broad?
	Just putting the sheep in this pen or herding them to that pen?
	I would say that there, I'm sure that there are examples of trying to run through what I'm aware of.
	I'm sure there are examples of studies that were done, research that was done on how to control people even in the phases of their daily life.
	If you look at institutes like the Tavistock Institute, they've done kind of pretty weird and out there studies like that about how to socially engineer man in all aspects of his life.
	And so it really is a matter of controlling and dominating the entire biosphere.
	I'll give you an example.
	A few years ago, we were talking about this the other day with the AIDS thing.
	There was a release, it was a declassified document back under Rumsfeld where it was how to dominate the information sphere.
	So, that's just one sphere where they wanted to have complete domination of the tech world in terms of information in the tech world and how it's perceived and how it comes out, how it's transmitted.
	Ultimately, I suspect the internet was a big was all part of that.
	I don't really think the internet was given, you know, for people to be free and this kind of stuff.
	Uh, I think ultimately was part of that plan.
	But in that document, Rumsfeld kind of runs through a lot of uh ways that every aspect of information transmission could be engineered.
	Not saying that he achieved that, but that's the goal.
	Uh, the Air Force had a similar document a few years ago about the weather, uh, total uh weather control and awareness.
	Right now, I'm not saying that they totally control the weather, I'm saying they'll put out these things about what the goals are.
	So, uh, when it comes to social engineering, man, definitely man's daily life would be uh relevant, his daily existence, how he perceives himself, what he does throughout how many times he's clicking the phone every day.
	Uh, absolutely.
	I think the smartphone itself is probably the best example of what you're talking about of how to socially engineer us to where our daily existence is not patterned around things that should be.
	And I fall into this, I'm implicating myself in this.
	Like, am I waking up to do my morning prayers or am I waking up to check my phone?
	You know what I mean?
	That's something that's a great example.
	And in fact, you can, I can show you, uh, it's called a Schwitz gable machine, which was a prison tracking device that they invented in the 70s to put on inmates so that they would self-police.
	The purpose of the Schwitz Gable machine was so that you didn't have as many guards you had to pay because all the inmates had this anklet that just told them where they were through GPS or whatever and radio tracking.
	It told them their heart rate so that if they were like running away, you know, you could, you could.
	So, that's just a Fitbit.
	I mean, we're all hat, we all have a Schwitz Gable machine right here.
	So, I couldn't think of a better example than that.
	Do you think the controllers of the past could have imagined how easily and voluntarily citizens of the future would want to take on the smartphone, would want to put on the Fitbit, which does allow them more of this micro-management level of control?
	Because we can say, oh, they convince us to get the smartphone because they sold us its convenience.
	It makes things life easier.
	But at some point, when do we blame the human being for seeking out the easy way to?
	So, I mean, have we been as a people been digging our own graves, basically giving power to those who give us these electronic toys?
	Please control us, monitor us.
	And I think a good example is these smart speakers that people put in their homes, the Alexa, the Google Home.
	That it's pretty clear they record everything you say.
	Yet every Christmas, I hear Amazon sold six gorilla speakers.
	So, people don't seem to care.
	Roosh, do not say the word gorilla.
	That word is forbidden.
	Roosh, you've been recorded saying the word gorilla.
	Yeah, um, I think you're spot on.
	I, uh, all of these things that are that are, there's a great documentary that covers this called the Light Bulb Conspiracy.
	It's not actually a conspiracy documentary, it's just a documentary on planned obsolescence.
	That we think we live in a free market society where, oh, you just, you know, come up with the best product and you'll rise up the pyramid of free market, whatever, success.
	But it doesn't really work that way.
	There's a level to which that's allowed, and it goes on.
	But what that documentary shows is that there have been many, many cases where advancement and development in the market or in products or in inventions have been suppressed so that the market can stay as it is and stay stagnant.
	Products stay as they are.
	Printers, there's actually cases where printers were actually had a chip in them so that they would malfunction after a year, so that you would have to buy another printer, these stupid Epsom printers or whatever, right?
	HP printers that are like $300 and they break after a year.
	And people have found and sued these companies for these for placing these obsolescence chips in products.
	So once you kind of realize that level of stuff, you start to see that way.
	We don't actually live in this free market situation where it's just whoever has the best product.
	It's all gained.
	It's all rigged, all of it.
	And yes, I think ultimately there is a, we share a bit of the blame.
	We can't pass everything off to, oh, well, I'm just oppressed by the elite.
	And so I'm excused from, no, we, we participate in acquiescing to this stuff.
	And I think that that's the main main reason we do that is there you go, planned obsolescence.
	Exactly.
	I think Apple got sued too over the batteries because the batteries, you can't remove them.
	And they actually got sued over that.
	Yeah, I mean, you're absolutely right that we share culpability for going along with this.
	But I think most of us feel like it's too big to even stop.
	Like, you can't, how do you stop this juggernaut?
	So, can you describe to me what would be the elite's ideal citizen, their ideal person that they think, you know, this is the state that I want the person to be in?
	What are some qualities, attributes that the ideal citizen has?
	And when you look around to the people in your city that you live in right now, do you see that?
	Or do you think that the elite still have a ways to go to get to their ideal slave?
	Well, since I still see citizens, the elite have a way to go because they want to get rid of those citizens and put them in a grave.
	So, so yeah, so the fact that their hearts are still beating and they're still breathing, I think is not, everything's not where they want it to be.
	You know, we know from pretty much every one of them, I can't think of a single person in the power structure above, you know, a certain level who doesn't believe in dysgenics, who doesn't believe in radical depop, who doesn't believe in all of the things that are part of that kind of cult that you have to accept.
	I think back to UNESCO's philosophy, Julian Huxley, who coined the transhumanism term, Aldous's brother, he wrote the philosophy of UNESCO, which is actually the same presentation that's in Brave New World.
	So if you read Brave New World and you see the alphas and the betas and the gammas and the deltas, the omegas, the ideal citizen is who whatever is useful.
	Humans are just resources from that perspective to be farmed and used like cattle.
	And then when they're done, they're done.
	You don't need them anymore.
	So I think that the long term is to move into the tech AI running everything.
	And the number of humans would then be that would be needed would be very, very small, basically just people who can work on the existing tech and the elite.
	So that's, I do think there is a real, what's sometimes called a breakaway civilization plan.
	We've seen Bill Gates having actually seed vaults in the Arctic.
	He's got entire vaults full of seeds hidden away in the Arctic.
	Well, I mean, why would he do that?
	Well, because he is one of the people that, you know, gets access to this kind of like Noah's Ark plan.
	I mean, I know that may sound a little out there, a little crazy, but in 20, 30, 40 years, that's the plan is to have a heavily depopulated planet.
	The elite have their various ways to go off while whatever they have planned happens.
	So the ideal citizen will be whatever's conducive to that long-term goal.
	So in the meantime, it would be just the most pliant, the most worm-like social justice type people.
	They're very useful.
	They're omegas, right?
	If you read Brave New World, that's who the omegas are.
	Like, they don't even have full brain functioning.
	They're more like just kind of slugs, basically.
	People in the background hear me laughing.
	They're laughing at slugs.
	But do you have a lot of people there?
	No.
	No, don't report me to Bill Gates, to Gil Bates.
	And we're going to talk about Corona.
	We need to send the police over there.
	But when I look out the window and I'm in a multi-ethnic area of the DC suburbs, Washington, D.C., and I hear hip-hop blaring.
	I smell the marijuana smoke.
	Men's pants are halfway down their butts to announce to the world that they're down for some activities that I don't do.
	When I look at that and the yelling and the screaming, I think, man, I think the elites are pretty close.
	They're pretty close to creating the ideal slave.
	And it's not just the vibrant people that surround me, but even you go into Washington, D.C. proper, and I haven't been there a long time, but June is a bad month to go.
	Gay flags everywhere.
	Everyone is seemingly gay.
	Anyway, but it seems like they're pretty far along.
	So let's just assume, yeah, they're getting closer and closer.
	What is the world?
	So we talked about the ideal slave they want, but what is the ideal world they want?
	I mean, how many people is it?
	Is it like a Terminator thing with Skynet?
	Is it like the Georgia Guidestones, 500 million?
	Like what do they think is, okay, this is perfect.
	If the world has this quality or number of people, then we are done.
	We don't have to worry about uprisings ever.
	Well, that's actually something that the higher level actuaries and plans and white papers debate is precisely that.
	They'll put together different models of if we do X, then we like, well, everybody's seen that TED Talk, right?
	Where Gil Bates is up there doing his little algorithm, right?
	That kind of stuff is what goes on at a lot of these higher National Population Council meetings, Rockefeller Population Council meetings.
	They'll say, well, if we do XYZ, we might can get the economy down to this, which will reduce population here.
	They even have it to where if you, certain areas could be industrialized to bring down population.
	So, for example, one of the books I did was Miles Copeland's memoirs, where he talks about the, he's, if you don't know, Stuart Copeland from the police, this is that same family.
	Miles Copeland was a famous CIA operative and he did operations in Egypt and then in Syria, excuse me, Syria, and then he moved to Egypt.
	So he spent most of his time as a consultant, quote unquote, for Egypt, i.e., doing his CIA work.
	And what he says in the book is pretty amazing because it's not like all this spy stuff.
	Oh, they're going to, you know, spy on Soviets and this kind of stuff.
	What it was really about was trying to manipulate the Egyptian government into buying into the policies of these think tanks, the ideas of depopulation.
	So, because Egypt had such a tendency to produce population, they decided that the best way to bring down Egypt's population was to modernize it, to industrialize it, and to bring in, you got it, pop culture.
	He says, once we introduced Hollywood and Bond movies to Egypt, then they thought that that's what it was to live it up like an American, like somebody in the West, like somebody in Hollywood, James Bond, whatever.
	That's what it was to live a fulfilled lifestyle.
	And so by doing that, he said, we were able to achieve a tremendous reduction in the population because for whatever reason, well, you and I know, but the more affluent the society, the less children that they have, right?
	That tends to bring the numbers down.
	So that kind of a thing that you mentioned is what they will debate and what they will try to figure out.
	Like, how can we get the population down to this number by 2030?
	Can we do this, this, this?
	What about this, this, this?
	So I don't have a perfect answer as to what.
	I don't know that they know exactly what the ideal number is.
	That's probably something that's debated.
	But some of them do actually put out Dr. Eric Pianca, for example, a druid, open Luciferian druid.
	He thinks that all humans need to go, basically.
	Others, you know, you mentioned George Guidestones, 500 million.
	I mean, that's debated, but some of the highest levels, they'll think that it needs to be just extremely low.
	And then whoever's left of the elite can via life extension, you know, extend their life or merge with technology.
	Are you insinuating that American culture is like a virus itself that reduces birth rates, destroys nations and families?
	Absolutely.
	Yeah.
	This book right here, Game of Nations by Miles Copeland, his famous CIA memoirs, he recounts at the end of the book, he says, if you want to understand my plan and what my whole work was in Egypt, he has a recommended reading list at the back and it's all Bertrand Russell, Rockefeller stuff.
	It's all it is.
	So he says that basically the techniques that we put into place were the techniques of the Council on Foreign Relations.
	That's the first thing he says to read.
	He says, just read the Council on Foreign Relations.
	He says, read the Rand Corporation, read Bertrand Russell, read all these guys that I read.
	That's what I did.
	I was just going read all these guys.
	He says, because he says the pop culture was key.
	It was one of the easiest things that we had as a weapon.
	Exactly.
	Like a virus, a mind virus to you just put it into the pop culture and it just spreads and then it disrupts.
	So what does that say about men like me and you?
	We were born in this.
	We were born in this grand experiment to basically sterilize people culturally to go for the soft kill, if you will.
	And we are products of that.
	I mean, can you just say that we're damaged?
	We're damaged people.
	Absolutely.
	Now, you probably have seen some of the talks that I did on MKUltra and that kind of stuff.
	One of the overlooked aspects of MKUltra, everybody thinks it was like, oh, just mind control and trying to figure out how to have keywords and the spy do this and that.
	All they were trying to do was figure out the best way through individual humans to expand that to the society as a whole.
	So to create traumatized, dissociated people in the mass mind can be, you can extrapolate to the mass mind from the individuals.
	And so that's, that's the whole purpose of all that wasn't individual people.
	I mean, if it was just about creating assassins, like you could just hire a hitman to go kill somebody.
	You don't need to mind control them, all this elaborate stuff so that they could.
	No, it was about what they would do on a mass scale.
	That's the real secret to MKUltra was just pop culture.
	Top culture, I think, is just MK Ultra at large.
	And so, yes, I don't think there's any way to be born in America unless you grew up like as a kind of weird Amish person or something, not to be damaged.
	So, would you say that if we were able to overcome this toxic culture and see the truth that there is a lot of logos in us, a lot of perhaps grace?
	I mean, because we look at the people around us and not a lot of people can connect the dots.
	I'm not saying we're special or better or smarter, but I'm saying that somehow we were able to see through that lie, put the hip-hop off, turn it off, and yell at the kids who put it on and say, no, this isn't what life should be about.
	Even though we were in some ways raised in the pigpen, we're coated in mud.
	Yeah, we realize that I don't want to be covered in mud.
	I want to be cleaner than that.
	So I'm going to get out of the pigpen.
	Yeah, I would definitely agree.
	I would describe it to God's grace.
	I mean, I have multiple times been pulled back into the pig pen.
	And then after a while, you kind of get chastised and you realize that how empty that is.
	Because really, the end result of all that stuff is just nihilism.
	I mean, you can only try to feed your passions and your desires for so long before you recall that it doesn't fulfill you.
	It's not satisfying.
	And you yearn for something more.
	You yearn for eternity, right?
	Because we're made for eternal life, not just for bodily existence in this life.
	So, yeah, in a way, I would say in God's providence, he absolutely has, you know, enlightened people like myself or you to understand the inadequacy, the emptiness, the destructiveness, the toxic nature of American culture and this global culture that it's based on.
	I mean, it's expanding out of the notion of Americanism into something even weirder and worse with globalization, where you'll get like the trans pollination of these different weird things.
	Like you'll get anime exported to America, America exported to other countries.
	The weird, creepy, fetish stuff is promoted across the Fortune 100, Fortune 500.
	You're getting now India has Bollywood, its own version of Hollywood.
	So it just kind of grows like a Petri dish into all of these own weird manifestations.
	But at the same time, as that gets worse, it gets darker.
	People are more apt to wake up because the evil is just so obvious and in your face.
	So I guess there's a good side to that in that the more evil uncloaks itself.
	I think one of the witches, what's her name?
	Is it Blavatsky or Alice Bailey?
	One of those new age witches said something like the 20th century and the 21st century would be the century when all of the dark secrets are open, like that the secret society type ideas, that sort of Luciferian occultic idea would just come out in the open because they would feel like they had attained enough power that they didn't even have to hide anymore.
	So who would you say?
	I've been the past couple weeks reading on Aldous Huxley.
	I was reading his analysis of his book, Brave New World, listening to some podcasts.
	I'm like, man, a lot of stuff this guy says is actually happening now.
	And the weird thing is he was so matter of fact about how he wants to control, how he's helping to, you know, we shouldn't use a totalitarian because people are going to get tired of it.
	We should involve people's consent.
	It's going to be more of a psychological level of control.
	In your mind, who were the most instrumental thinkers Who are kind of helping to usher in this evil that those at the top of the pyramid are implementing now?
	That's a great question.
	You could go back, depending on how far you wanted to go back.
	I mean, you could go back to, you know, the fall, I guess, with Satan being the father of all lies.
	I mean, he would be at the top of the pyramid.
	He's the eye of the pyramid, I guess you could say.
	But in more recent times, what I did in my lecture series was try to pick out the most important strategists, social engineers, thinkers, and so forth.
	And it kind of runs the gamut.
	It's not one ethnicity.
	It's multiple ethnicities.
	But certainly, I mean, if you go back further, people like Karl Marx would be involved in this.
	I mean, Marx was very important.
	But I see Marx as a tool of the banking power.
	He actually had a lot of monetary support, which kind of trips a lot of people up because they think, well, Marxism is against capitalism.
	So wouldn't he be opposed to big banking?
	And that's a common misunderstanding because Marxism was actually funded by the wealthiest people you could imagine.
	And because it's a great tool for wrecking things, right?
	It's like a wrecking ball.
	And it has a bit of truth.
	And that's the danger for any kind of disinformation is that a partial truth has a lot of power to dupe maybe more naive people.
	So could you include Karl Marx?
	Absolutely.
	Like, you know, revolutionary thought.
	You know, he's one of the key revolutionary thinkers.
	Marx is up there.
	He's important to understand, but not in the typical way most people think of Marxism as like a just a class warfare thing.
	It's class warfare because he's a tool of the banking elite, you see.
	But he had predecessors, of course, that come out of masonry and secret societies for sure.
	But in the modern era, I would say, obviously, Marx has an important role to play.
	Freud has an important role to play for changing people's ideas of making sin something that's now biophysical and chemical and related to your biology, basically, and not something that's spiritual or related to God.
	So Marx, Freud, Darwin, obviously I've done a lot of critiques of Darwin.
	Those three would be like the key ideology guys that I think Satan used for the last few centuries to change the world.
	And then, you know, you could look at more of the strategists who then implement the worldview on the basis of these bad guys and basically scientism.
	I would actually say there's a great book that talks about scientism out of coming out of Masonic Lodges.
	There's a book called Freemasonry and the Birth of Modern Science by Robert Lomas.
	Now, Lomas himself is a Freemason.
	So he's actually defending, I'm not promoting Freemasonry at all, but he's defending that scientism is essentially from the Masonic Lodge.
	So I'm not saying it's all everything's Masons running everything.
	I'm not saying that, but they do fit into this power structure of this pyramid to a degree for sure.
	And then out of that royal society click, you get a lot of these people like the Huxleys, like Bertrand Russell, like H.G. Wells, like Arthur Kessler, like, and I mentioned Kessler because a lot of people say, well, but wasn't he a Marxist?
	Well, he was a Marxist who left a Hungarian Jewish Marxist who like went and became honored and decorated by the British Empire.
	But I thought the British Empire was like, you know, against the communists and the Marxists.
	Well, that's what I'm arguing is that there's a higher level to which those kind of even big geopolitical dialectics are transcended by the by evil, by the powerful elite.
	I did a long interview with a good friend of mine who is a Russia analyst, Mark Hackard, and he translated some old KGB diaries from Russian that hadn't been in English yet.
	And they were talking about how Lord Victor Rothschild was giving information to British intelligence and to the KGB, trying to play both groups during the Cold War.
	The famous spy, Robert Maxwell, who is the father of just Lane Maxwell, Epstein, Robert Maxwell did the exact same thing as Victor Rothschild in the Cold War.
	He would play the West and British intelligence at the same time as playing the KGB.
	So there's a higher levels of people that are even transcend those kind of like big Cold War dialectics.
	So anybody in those kinds of circles are people that you could look to as ways to understand how it really plays out.
	But the books I cover are people like Miles Copeland, Aldous Huxley, Jacques Attili, is the Kissinger of France.
	He tweets every day about all this how we need technocracy because of COVID, right?
	I mean, he's like, he's just bolstering the case.
	You know, the books I covered on the Rand Corporation.
	Turning point by Fritzof Kopra.
	He's another one of these eco-thinkers.
	We have to think about the eco-stuff as kind of the key.
	That's like their gospel almost, right?
	Because evolution and the eco environment, that's like their version of the gospel.
	And so everything is centered around the idea of the environment and ecology.
	After about the 60s, they made the decision at the Club of Rome to adopt the notion of the first global revolution, which is that in order to totally, as you called it, right?
	You said in your stream accurately that this is a revolution.
	The final revolution that Huxley and Bertrand Russell were talking about is this revolution of the post-human revolution, right?
	And so the key linchpin of this is the green climate stuff.
	And Aldous Huxley or Julian Huxley makes that clear in his philosophy of UNESCO.
	So I covered Kessler, Russell, Edward Bernays, H.G. Wells, Huxley.
	There's also T.H. Huxley, who's like the father of the first to promote the idea of survival of the fittest, right?
	But yeah, Tavislock Institute.
	And then, you know, you can get into the power blocks, the U.S., U.K., Israel.
	That is the Anglo-American power block establishment.
	Now, a guy like Bill Gates doesn't seem like a thinker to me.
	He seems like a bagman, a gopher.
	He just seems to be following instructions and has been given quite a bit of power and wealth to carry that out.
	Would you agree, or do you think he is one of the thinkers involved in ushering in this new stage or next stage of globalism?
	I think he's one of the helpers.
	He's one of the high-level managerial class people.
	So people who are like CEOs at the Fortune 100 level, you know, this like 6,000 managerial class people.
	Bill Gates is very high up in that structure, I would say.
	He's not the eye of the pyramid, but he's definitely running point guard for this whole plan for sure.
	Even if he's not at the tip top of the pyramid, I'm sure there's people higher than him, more powerful than him.
	You know, I mean, the Rothschilds have had power.
	They've been a banking dynasty for centuries.
	You know, we don't even know the level of wealth that they have.
	I mean, the Vatican itself, we can't forget the Vatican because even traditional Catholics like David Wemhoff have written entire books on how the Vatican was co-opted during the Cold War.
	If anybody's really interested in that story, I'll probably be covering this next, which is Time Life magazine, John Courtney Murray, CIA, and their program of doctrinal warfare.
	This is a big key to understanding what happened to the Roman Catholic Church after Vatican II.
	I'm not exempting that there's problems in Orthodoxy.
	Know that there's problems in the Orthodox world too, but the ironic, ironically, the problems of the Orthodox world is the same as the problems of the Roman Catholic world, which is these think tanks, these powerful institutions, these universities that are funded by the same power blocks and wealthy people, they are the ones that try to influence and use the churches.
	So we have the same problems for sure, but we can't exempt big international institutions like the Roman Catholic Church from being co-opted and being steered into this globalist plan.
	And I think everybody can see that that's obvious with Francis.
	Like, I don't think there's any question.
	And I don't want to offend all the Catholics here, but yeah, their Pope is up to.
	I think most of them would agree that Francis is promoting globalism.
	Okay, so then I could ask you: you know, for those at the top of the pyramid, it doesn't even have to be at the Bill Gates level, just the upper class managers.
	Why are they seeking this level of control over us?
	Why do they want to control us?
	Why are they implementing all these plans and these models?
	Why do they want this power?
	And what is it?
	This seems like an obsession.
	You know, maybe this is a human psychological answer, or it could be something related to their in communion with some of the dark side of the spiritual world.
	But why are they doing this to us?
	Why don't they just let us be free?
	Why don't they just let us do what we want to do?
	That question is actually addressed many times in many of these writers.
	And what they say is that freedom, if we speak of political freedom here, that's not really a real thing.
	That's an ideology or a propaganda tool that's been used.
	It's not a real ideology that anyone can link themselves to because just bare freedom doesn't even make any sense.
	Freedom to do things, freedom against the state, freedom of the state to imprison you.
	I mean, what does it mean to say freedom?
	And that's why in the history of political philosophy, it's usually characterized as positive liberty or negative liberty, right?
	If you're a libertarian, then you believe in negative liberty, which is the idea that, you know, liberty is defined by limiting the state, right?
	But those are kind of simplistic historic notions.
	I'm just saying from the global elite perspective, that doesn't even register.
	That's not even a real thing.
	I mean, that's just a tool that's been used at different times in different ways to manipulate populations.
	It's a tool of statecraft or control.
	Machiavelli writes about this, for example.
	So something like freedom is viewed as a tool to steer people in different ways.
	So there's not really such a thing as freedom because from the dominant worldview of the scientism elite or the materialist perspective or the evolutionary perspective, we're not really free.
	We're just kind of part of the natural process.
	So what Salk or Bertrand Russell or the scientific priest class will argue is that you're really only at the top of the totem pole if you've evolved, quote unquote, to realize that evolution is true and that whoever has the highest IQ should really be running things, right?
	And if you have figured that out, then maybe you're worthy to be part of the priest class.
	And I'm not joking, they quite literally describe it like the scientific priest class will steer evolution.
	They will steer the development of mankind.
	And that's the rationale that they use.
	Salk argues this in his book, Survival of the Wisest.
	He says we have to step up to the plate to be this the driving.
	We steer evolution.
	And yes, sometimes that's going to include poisoning mass groups of people.
	Because if we can put environmental pressures on the species in their mindset, that will provoke jumps in evolution, you see.
	So it's a very weird, dark, inverted idea that all of what we're doing is justified because of science and because the ends justify the means, because we're just trying to speed up evolution.
	But ironically, there's a weird quote in one of the H.G. Wells books.
	It's either at the end of Open Conspiracy or New World Order, where he says, Look, religion's dead.
	There's nothing else to live for.
	He says, so we'll give you something noble to die for, which is the future of the elite.
	And you can nobly die for us because you're not going to go into the future.
	He's very open about this.
	Very candid.
	He's like, it's not for you.
	But when we have Star Trek utopia in the future, he says, you will have died nobly for us.
	Thank you, by the way.
	He says that.
	It's crazy.
	Now, I remember when we first met, this was late last year, Halloween.
	We were in Orlando, Florida.
	And on this day, we didn't dress up in costumes, but a lot of other people did.
	Most of the women, they would take some kind of costume and add the word sexy to it.
	So sexy nurse, sexy doctor, anything, you know.
	And I think we didn't participate in that.
	We didn't go drinking and picking up girls.
	We sat down at a courtyard and talking a lot.
	Sexy skank.
	I don't know if you missed it.
	I had my sexy skank costume on.
	And there were some costumes that were just sexy.
	That's it.
	There was no costume.
	She was just a sexy girl.
	Anyway, so we were sitting in a courtyard and watching this walk on by and talking a lot about a lot of the topics here.
	And, you know, I definitely wanted to get your answers for everyone instead of only me, like it was on that day.
	And we were talking a lot about psyops.
	Now, this word gets thrown out a lot.
	Everyone calls this a psyop and that is a psyop.
	And, you know, we can argue that this Halloween parade of sexy individuals, mostly women, who were basically turning that night on Halloween into an open-air brothel, we can maybe even argue that was a psyop too.
	So I wanted to ask you, what is a psyop?
	Well, this comes out of wartime planning and strategy.
	And the oldest example of this people are most familiar with would probably be, you know, Sun Tzu, Art of War.
	He speaks of the principles behind psychological warfare, which is the idea that the easiest way to win a war is to defeat the opponent, not on the battlefield, but in his mind.
	So if you can demoralize and basically make him lose his spirit, his morale, then you've already won.
	You don't have to expend all your soldiers and his soldiers if you can just get him over on your side.
	So hence, it starts to move over into the domain of persuasion and propaganda.
	So one of the works that I covered historically other than Sun Tzu's is a lot of people don't know that Machiavelli of Prince fame, he also wrote a famous book called Art of War.
	I think it's one of the oldest.
	It's in the modern era.
	It's one of the earliest treatises on warfare of the West.
	Pretty famous book.
	But he has a really amazing chapter in there, book six, which is about psyops.
	It's about what you're talking about.
	It's about tricks, basically just conning people using tricks.
	And After the war, the World War II, most of the people who were involved in psychological warfare, Sarnoff, Paley, Lipmon, these different people who went on to do consulting and ad agencies, and they also did work in terms of the original network television channels, CBS, ABC, those are all started by people from the OSS.
	So, literally, television and its birth with the networks is all OSS intelligent psychological warfare to people.
	It's pretty crazy when you read about this.
	And Bernays even touches on this in his famous book.
	So, psychological warfare is just simply convincing the enemy of your position.
	It's tricking people, it's conning people, and it could be all kinds of different things.
	It could be a really elaborate operation that involves multiple phases of propaganda.
	If we think of a great example, remember, if you think about before a war, sometimes you'll see like, oh, look at this dusty boy laying upon the grass here in this war-torn area.
	And the evil whoever's who caused this hate children, you know, this kind of a thing like this is a real basic example.
	Or the Bush PR firm back at the time of Desert Storm, who put out the woman crying and saying that Saddam throws babies off of incubators, right?
	All made up.
	It's just an invention.
	Those are great key examples of psyops, right?
	Just psychological tricks that are used to manipulate the most of the time, it's emotions.
	It's kind of playing on people's emotion, pulling their heartstrings to get them to be for or against a war.
	Those are the easiest, uh, simplest examples of psyops.
	But with the complexity of where we are now in the modern world, it's not so much about, I mean, sometimes it's about getting people to sign on to wars like we saw with the war in Syria when they were using Dusty Boy and all these kinds of things like this.
	Now it's a little more sophisticated to where it's like almost every area of life involves some version of this because the internet, advertising, pop culture, it's all using the same principles of psyops, and it's everywhere.
	It's in our face constantly.
	So, yeah, I almost, I think you could say you can't even understand where we are now without understanding psyops.
	Is there a psyop that brings me closer to family and brings me closer to God?
	I mean, a psyop that's pushed from those at the top.
	Like, I look at the psyop, I'm like, man, I want to make love to a woman to marry her, make love to her, have a beautiful family, raise a garden.
	Has there been a psyop in the recent times anyway, that brings people closer to family, or does it seem to be of the Halloween type where women have to show their bits everywhere in public on the internet in person?
	I have to stare at her butt, yoga pants, suddenly yoga pants is popular.
	And soon, no, no pants.
	And for the perverts in the chat, I'm like, oh, yeah, that's great, but they're falling for it.
	Are they not?
	Their lust is being put on the women.
	No, they have no plan for having a family.
	This one, all the women in the world, I mean, who would fall for such a trick such as that, right?
	Yeah, that's yeah.
	There are examples.
	A great example of this is Bernays.
	Okay.
	So in his book on propaganda, he talks about how all of these advertising campaigns were really just kind of scams and tricks to see what would work.
	And so you probably heard the one of the cigarettes, the freedom torches, and how do we get women smoking?
	Because here's a whole, you know, like section of the population that's not buying cigarettes.
	Well, let's tie it to some idea that, you know, in their mind is representing their freedom.
	And so, if you believe in, you know, women's suffrage, if you believe in feminism, and that then you then you smoke a cigarette like whatever Hollywood person on the ad or whatever.
	And it worked.
	It worked tremendously.
	So, you know, in the 20s, 30s, 40s, they were really studying this stuff hardcore and figuring out in a scientific way how to, with precision, get people to adopt trends, get them to adopt fads.
	And then the next several decades up till now of pop culture is nothing but the implementation of different trends.
	And I'm not saying every single trend is from the top down.
	I mean, obviously, some things occur organically, but a lot of times they get co-opted.
	There's actually a good rom-com of all things that makes this point.
	It came out in about 2002.
	It's called Josie and the Pussycats.
	It's a goofy comedy movie.
	But the plot of the movie is about, believe it or not, is about the shadow government, the deep state, military industrial complex, the corporate elite studying trends to steer them.
	The whole movie is worth watching just for that point.
	But yeah, there's no question when you read people like Bernays that that's what it is.
	And I think, have there been good psyops?
	Oddly enough, kind of yes, because the origin of the term propaganda, it actually goes back to the Holy Office of propaganda.
	If you're familiar with Catholic history, I'm not knocking the Catholic Church for this.
	I mean, I think that anybody who does apologetics does a version of propaganda, right?
	The Holy Office of Propaganda was kind of like the Vatican's office of doing apologetics and rebuking and going against heresy.
	And it has a lot of evil connotations now because we think of the Holy Office, the Inquisition.
	But a lot of that's actually exaggerated and made up.
	The stories about the Inquisition are false, a lot of them.
	And what was a lot of times going on was just trying to defend the faith and defend the church and defend, even though I don't agree with the papal view, the idea of propaganda itself is not inherently evil.
	And again, anybody who does apologetics is kind of doing a positive version of propaganda.
	But in the modern world, there's not a whole lot of positive propaganda.
	I mean, there's some wholesome stuff out there, but not a whole lot.
	What would you say is maybe the top psyop going on right now outside of the coronavirus pandemic, which we're going to get to that.
	But is there a psyop that is like, man, they're really pushing this hard?
	Or this has really come out of nowhere.
	It has escalated.
	Please.
	Veganism.
	And it's not the one I would have expected.
	Now, one of the global elite.
	I will not eat bugs.
	Right.
	So Toffler, Alvin Toffler, a famous globalist from, he wrote a lot in the 70s and 80s about where we would be now.
	He's kind of like another Brzezinski type of character, Alvin Toffler.
	So he wrote Future Shock and Third Wave and these kinds of books talking about where we are now.
	He said in the 70s that they would promote veganism and anarcho-libertarian types of movements.
	Now, I'm not saying everybody who's into anarcho-libertarianism is bad, or I'm not saying that.
	I'm just saying that they had the idea back in the 70s.
	And there's actually Tavistock documents too that talk about using new communities, like hippie-type commune, vegan communities, vegetarian movements for social engineering tests and experimentation.
	I can show you that if you read Daniel Eslin's book on Tavistock Institute, I think it's a third wave from Toffler.
	So, they had the idea.
	Why don't we experiment with this?
	Because that would because one of the key ways, according to the global elite, to control populations is through diet.
	Um, this is missed by a lot of people, but if you've read, uh, you know, elite writers, you know, even in uh art of war, he says one way you could uh win against the enemy population is to poison their water, right?
	Pour something down the well, throw some dead rats down the well, or something like this, right?
	Uh, so one of the elite that we can't forget, who's obviously tied into the uh uh Darwin family, is Charles Galton Darwin, who wrote the book The Next Million Years.
	And what does he talk about in an entire chapter controlling the mass population's diet?
	He has an entire section on this.
	It's it's a great book.
	I did a whole talk, it's not great in a good way, it's it's revelatory.
	Uh, but he wrote this in the 1950s, 1952, so he's like a Bill Gates of his day kind of character.
	Um, and he says you have to control diet.
	So, last, I think it was 2019, 2019 or the beginning of 2020, I forget all the global elite publications, like The Economist and Forbes.
	Oh, it's time, this is the vegan 2020 is the year of veganism.
	And Jay-Z and Beyonce are going to give free concerts to promote veganism.
	And all of these Hollywood stars are suddenly vegan.
	Now, the queen, the queen of England, is promoting veganism.
	All this is social engineering, and actually, it does tie into COVID because they're actually saying that if we'd had a vegan diet, we wouldn't have COVID.
	They're saying this now, which is total nonsense.
	But that is the biggest psyop that they had planned for a long time that's coming out now.
	That and what we're seeing with the death of Hollywood, interestingly, and moving into everything being streaming.
	Atali talked about that, like the movement away from movies, old Hollywood, and into everything being live streaming.
	These are two big things that they had planned for a long time.
	Are we participating in one of their psyops?
	I don't think that you can't have a legalistic view of like because I mean, even if you use the dollar bill, right, you're participating in a userous money-based system.
	So, you know, there's biblical examples of people like Daniel, Prophet Daniel, who lived in Babylon, and he had to a degree had to participate in that system while not compromising his faith, right?
	Daniel wouldn't bow to the image of Nebuchadnezzar, the golden idol, but he was still able to live in the midst of Babylon, even attained a high position of power.
	So, that there's always the possibility of existing within Babylon as Christians.
	But, but you're right that we have to be careful not to fall into being mind-controlled by this kind of stuff for sure.
	Now, if I was a female and I was playing a video game and live streaming that while showing my boobs, I would say we are participating in the SIOP.
	But I think with our level of discussion, we are not.
	So, a few weeks ago, I called you on the phone because I was trying to connect the dots to perhaps the biggest psyop that's going on right now, the coronavirus pandemic.
	And this, it was too many moving parts, and I didn't have the rich background and the knowledge of what the elites are up to like you did.
	So, I called you and you were patient with me.
	We talked for a long time.
	And after that, I came out with the stream that coronavirus is a revolution.
	I mean, this is a rapid change of behavior that they are pushing on to us to usher us into the next stage of globalism that aims to cement their power.
	Would you say I was on the right track?
	And what do you think about what is going on there?
	Yeah, I think you nailed it.
	I had done a few streams where I, so when I first heard about this back in maybe February, January, February, I did a 20-minute video where I said, I think a lot of this is exaggerated, but even I, for a time like you, it was so promoted, I started thinking, maybe this is a real panic endemic.
	Like, maybe there's really, I don't know.
	But so I kind of held off on exactly to wait to see because if you do this long enough, you'll eventually make mistakes and you'll, you know, get ahead of yourself and then realize, oh, well, actually, I didn't get that part right.
	So I waited to see where it was going.
	And what became evident was that it's way more so about everybody's reaction to this thing than it is the thing itself.
	It's not even so much about XYZ amount of people died or passed away.
	It's more so about what is this achieving.
	That became really evident.
	And as you pointed out, there have been many past instances where we could see analogies.
	I think the AIDS analogy that you made was a great analogy because as we were talking about, I remember being in high school and I would hear these ridiculous figures.
	Like they would say, by the time you graduate high school, right, 1997, 98, one fourth of Nashville will be infected with AIDS.
	And I'm like, one fourth?
	So I literally won't be able to date like one in four girls by the time I'm a senior in high school.
	Like I can't date them because they're going to give me the AIDS, right?
	But even then, I was like, that just, that sounds like BS to me.
	And then you would hear these other, you know, kind of crazy AIDS things come out.
	And then just by happenstance in research one day when I was reading, I think I sent you that article at Global Research, that declassified Rumsfeld document about PSYOPS.
	Amazingly, like towards the end of the document, he's like, yeah, we can learn how to be successful in PSYOPS through the actions that were done through Don't Do Drugs, like DARE program, and the AIDS awareness programs.
	Like those were key PSYOP examples of PSYOPs.
	And I think you on your stream, like you showed, you know, these, these old life magazines or time magazine, whatever it was, of how we're all going to have AIDS.
	It's exactly the same.
	Other examples, remember ozone, the hole in the ozone was going to, if we keep farting and if we keep using aerosol spray cans, the ozone layer is going to cook everybody in the next 10, 15.
	And they just keep extending it 20 years.
	And nobody even talks about the ozone.
	Like the hole in the ozone was like the biggest thing in the late 80s.
	And nobody, it's not even talked about anymore.
	So you start to see these like things that were supposed to be, according to the mainstream media, the end of the world, the apocalypse, the crisis.
	And then suddenly five, 10 years later, they're gone.
	I remember a great, there was a British article, I have it saved somewhere from 2003.
	It's either the Telegraph or The Guardian or one of these.
	And it says, by 2015, there will no longer be snow.
	Like there will be children in the world who've grown up and they've never seen snow because the world will be so heated from global warming that nobody will know what snow is anymore.
	Literally, just utterly absurd mainstream media predictions.
	And then you go back and you look at like Paul Ehrlich, one of the big global climate guru people who said everybody needs to die.
	I found old articles of Paul Ehrlich when I was working as a research assistant where in the late 70s, he said that we would have ice age.
	Like they were, oh, we're going to be frozen.
	We're all going to be, you know, walking around like Han and Luke on Hoth and we're going to have to be cutting open, you know, woolly mammoths to survive because there's going to be a global ice age by the year 2010.
	Anyway, long story short, all that BS, they just recycle it.
	They do the same thing over and over and over.
	And this is just a perfect, but it's like this one is huge.
	I mean, I think it's like 9-1-1, the 9-1-1 event in slow motion on a global scale.
	It's crazy.
	And have you been surprised or has it been expected how quickly they were able to usher in this new medical gulag?
	People are, I'm sure you go outside the store, everyone's wearing the mask.
	I mean, they are complying.
	It's happened to me.
	I went for a walk before I did the stream and I'm at the park.
	And then there's, I'm on a path that's very wide, but then people are scared to get close to me.
	I mean, or, or, and I saw a guy, he put on his mask right as he was going to cross by me.
	I mean, this silly stuff.
	And I feel so bad for these people that they're not just scared of the virus, but they're scared of not being in a state of compliance because, you know, most Americans are groomed to comply ever since they were young.
	So, what do you think of?
	I mean, is this something you expected?
	How quickly they could get people in line?
	No, but I mean, I should have been willing to accept this because I remember living through the nine event and how quickly that mobilized everybody to do whatever W shed with the mustard gas shot him, right?
	I mean, everybody just immediately after the nine event was like, oh, we got to go get them, right?
	Just get anybody.
	And then it was like, we're going after people who have no connection to the nine event.
	So if I'd have remembered the nine event, I would have been, I should have noticed that, yes, it is that easy to immediately corral people into some nonsense.
	But yeah, at the same time, it did surprise me.
	So, I mean, I mean, I didn't know that all this COVID stuff was coming.
	I did do an essay back in 2011 when Contagion came out because I was reviewing movies pretty consistently back then as well.
	And I knew that Contagion was a big bunch of propaganda.
	I mean, and it was like portraying the conspiracy person, you know, as a lunatic who's just trying to game the market and make money off of conspiracy stuff.
	And then it had the CDC people and it had even the term social distancing and all this stuff.
	So I wrote a long essay back at the time on that movie in 2011.
	And I speculated that there's a good chance they could use some kind of like, you know, panic damage type scare.
	But obviously, I didn't know for sure what would be used.
	But once this stuff started happening and it went global after the China outbreak, supposedly, then I started realizing, yeah, the people who talked about the medical tyranny bringing this in, that was the key that most people, many people had missed because Friethof Copper, the Dr. Day tapes, if you've not heard those, everybody should listen to the Dr. Day lectures.
	Rockefeller talks about it.
	And there's one more that I'm not remembering off the top of my head, but they pretty consistently talk about how the key linchpin to bringing in this stuff would be medicine.
	Salk.
	Oh, yeah, Dr. Salk, obviously.
	If you read the book by Nancy Banks, AIDS, Opium, and Empire, she details the whole history of the Rockefellers and their involvement in the American Medical Association, American Psychiatric Association, Planned Parenthood.
	All those things are essentially Rockefeller-funded entities.
	And they knew, they figured out that medicine would be a key way to slip a lot of this stuff in.
	I mean, yeah, climate is part of that too, obviously, with like, because your health is dependent on the environment, you see.
	So, but do you hear that all the animals are coming out now because humans are not bothering them?
	Right, exactly.
	Which, which is also all the vegan activists.
	And by the way, what suddenly this, there's this new cult, Extinction Rebellion.
	Have you heard of this?
	This vegan cult?
	Yeah, that's not funded by anyone.
	It's totally spontaneous.
	Yeah, it just happened, but well, it's openly funded by the billionaires.
	We did a whole stream, Tristan and I, covering that.
	But yeah, so suddenly these cults pop up.
	These activists pop up with all this money.
	Saudi billionaires, Prince Awalid, he funds a lot of these giant vegan movements, billions of dollars going into all this stuff.
	So yeah, once you realize the medical angle of it, it's like, whoa.
	Have you heard the Dr. Daytes by chance?
	No.
	I think you have.
	I think I messaged you one time about those.
	Dr. Daytay?
	No, Day.
	They're called the Dr. Day.
	Oh, Dr. Day, yes, yes, yes.
	Yes.
	So he actually talked about the medical angle of all this a long time ago.
	Okay, so you see how they seem to, I mean, there is some resistance, pockets of resistance, the Operation Gridlock.
	People don't, people want to reopen the country because they see the really horrible economic damage.
	And not just, I'm not talking about the GDP.
	I'm talking individuals, the livelihoods of people that they're not getting back.
	But it seems to be their plan is going forward.
	Bill Gates is basically getting everything that he wants because his man, Anthony Fauci, is poisoning Trump's ear or something.
	I don't know.
	But based on where we are now and what you see, what is the United States going to be like in five years in response to this?
	What kind of country is it going to be if they continue getting their way in five years?
	Like we go into a time machine right now.
	We wake up in five years.
	What will you see?
	That's really hard to say because it's kind of going to depend on the way that we react in the next year.
	As this goes by, it looks to me like it was a big gambit that they gambled to destroy the economy.
	I think that the main purpose behind a lot of this was to wreck the existing economy, solidify a lot of businesses then benefit from this.
	I was just reading an article yesterday about how many $280 billion had been made by billionaires in this crisis.
	So it was a consolidation.
	It's a way to get rid of a lot of medium-level corporations and companies in competition, mom and pops.
	Now everybody is going to have to go to box stores.
	It's all subsidized by bailouts and all this stuff.
	So we could see a big consolidation if they're successful in getting people to buy into the fear and they extend these lockdowns.
	I mean, there's a very real chance that they could crash the economy.
	I think that's what they're trying to do.
	And that's what they're trying to stoke the fear, the panic.
	Even the mainstream media is saying that if the food lines cease, you know, we could have food pandemics in the next year or two.
	I mean, if there's, yeah, I think that that's very real.
	If they extend this for a year and a half, two years, which is crazy, but that would, it seems like, lead to the breakdown of the food chain.
	And as I thought about this more and more, I was thinking, well, have there been previous examples of entities or people or groups who attacked food chains?
	Yes.
	In fact, I remembered Stalin was involved in doing this through starving Ukrainians, if I recall.
	And then also, I'm not positive, but I feel like, because I'm getting older, sometimes I don't remember everything, but it seems like Lenin did something like this too.
	I think Lenin stopped food chains and he caused kind of like, You know, famine and then blamed it on, you know, the czar or the royal family or whoever the whites, the white army, or whatever.
	So, that this is a tactic that people have used where they try to disrupt the food chain and then they blame it on their political opponents.
	They're obviously going to do that with Trump.
	They want to a degree.
	I'm not saying Trump's like a hero, or there's a power faction at that level that's going on battle-wise between the faction of Trump and people like that.
	Like you pointed out, with governors.
	So, I think they want to make the economy look really bad.
	And then, you know, for the election, that would help damage Trump, perhaps.
	But I think it's more than just like, it's not just a GOP Democrat political thing.
	I think it's ultimately, like you said, it's a revolution.
	It's an attempt to bring it in.
	And what you and I were kind of waiting to see is: is this a beta test phase for a final thing, or is this where they're going to throw it all down?
	And if they keep trying to extend the lockdown, I think that's to try to sink the economy as it is.
	And remember, the people who believe this stuff, they're revolutionaries.
	They may not be like classical Marxist revolutionaries, but they're revolutionaries in a weirder, satanic, you know, technocratic sense to where they don't have a problem destroying the existing economy because they print the money.
	They don't need the money.
	They want to move into a new phase of a post-human world.
	And one thing people have to be a little bit watchful for is when they start to open up again.
	There's already talk that this state is, they have a reopening plan.
	I expect if this is, if they're going all in, what they're going to do, they're going to open for a couple of weeks.
	Then they say, oh, no, hotspots are coming.
	People are getting sick in the virus.
	Then they're going to close things back down again.
	And this has this causes so much psychological pain because you thought it was over and now you're back.
	That is going to crush a lot of people.
	So that leads me to ask you: do you believe in a five-year timeline with the food shortages, with the mental breakdowns?
	You're already, there are already some leakage of stories that people are killing themselves.
	I saw one in Maryland how a tenant bludgeoned his landlord nearly to death and things like that.
	Do you think there's a calling component to this where they want a percentage of us to just die due to this specifically, due to the coronavirus?
	Not so much.
	I mean, and I had a friend who killed himself a few days ago, actually, as a result of all this.
	Some of the audience may recall Chris from the podcast that I used to do.
	It's public, so I'm not saying people know who he is and people know that he kind of had some issues, but all this nonsense was he decided to end things, sadly.
	So I think that that does happen to some people in these kinds of situations where it's kind of a final straw.
	I don't think that that's really that effective of a way to depopulate.
	I mean, I think that there's much more effective means for that.
	I think the toxic culture, the porn, or the prawn on the internet, all of that kind of stuff, trying to get people not to have families.
	That's all way more effective than something like Karunka.
	But it's entirely possible that, you know, down the road, if the elite did say retreat to some island or underground bunkers or whatever they have, which many of them do have those things, those are real.
	There could be a real release of something.
	That is entirely possible.
	That is in the cards, I would say.
	But I don't think that this present event is anything like what they would do if they really wanted to engage in depop.
	I'm sorry to hear about your friend.
	May he rest in peace.
	One thing we saw of Stalin, he, I mean, just to add a data point, Stalin, he did this mass starvation in Ukraine.
	You know, millions of Ukrainians die.
	That's something we probably won't see.
	But then when you hear quotes from Zbigniew Brzezinski saying it's easier to kill a million people than to control them, you know, I hope you're right.
	But something tells me that they're going to test it a little bit, see how many cannot just starve.
	I don't think it's going to be the big call yet, but I think they're going to test out future calls.
	But what do you think about that?
	The mindset of the people who are running things have no problem with doing any of those things.
	That's what we have to, we do have to keep that in mind.
	In fact, in Britain Russell's book, Scientific Outlook, he actually comments on that he thinks it's great that the Bolsheviks and Stalin did what they did.
	Now, we're supposed to believe that Bertrand Russell, a Democrat who believed in the people and he hated the idea of tyranny.
	That's all BS.
	That's just because he is very explicit in the book that he thinks that the experiment, he says, of the Soviets and the Bolsheviks, he says, was a wonderful one.
	And he says, I have nothing but great hope and promise for what Stalin is trying to do, what the Bolsheviks did, what Lenin did.
	He calls Lenin great, great man.
	David Rockefeller says the same thing about Mao.
	Mao was the image of like a, you know, a society should be run.
	He calls Maoism like the goal in his famous editorial in the New York Times from a China traveler.
	Everybody should look that up if you haven't read that from David Rockefeller.
	Because you see, the monopoly capitalist loves the Maoist socialist control system.
	He's very open, very candid about it.
	In fact, in China, in Communist China, it was Chase Bank was the first bank that was set up.
	Dave Rockefeller has a whole chapter in his memoirs on that, how he went to Communist China to set up the Chase Bank there.
	Because if you're in a control structure and you can be buddies with the party controller, well, you're going to get to have the only bank there, right?
	It's very useful for consolidating.
	And so what I'm getting at is that the same people who would engage in those kinds of maneuvers in those other countries, it's the same attitude here.
	They don't have any problem with if there was some sort of famine or could be reduced to some kind of scenario where we have to grow gardens or, you know, that's entirely possible.
	I don't fall into that.
	Many of the Orthodox saints have said and warned that Russia would eventually.
	They did predict that.
	So that kind of eases into the next topic I wanted to talk about.
	And what kind of surprises me?
	Okay, your face in the dual screen is not there.
	Let me get it back.
	There it is.
	Okay.
	Where'd you go, Jay?
	There we go.
	That was raptured.
	So one thing I'm kind of shocked about is how quickly the Christian churches have closed.
	I mean, Lenin would have been impressed how without any real protest, a lot of the churches closed.
	Sorry.
	Okay, let me get your head back small again.
	It's hard to fix your head and talk about churches at the same time.
	There we go.
	Okay.
	So, you know, Lenin would have been impressed how from a virus, millions of Christians in the United States seem mostly okay.
	Yeah, we don't want to go to church and get sick.
	And they've been closed, but they tell us to receive the sacraments from the YouTube, you know, to watch the YouTube live.
	You know, you're going to smell the incense from your liturgy from your computer speakers.
	So, you know, and it seems like no one's protesting.
	Of course, the media is not going to say much about that.
	They're more concerned about the bars and clubs being shut down.
	But it's like, wow, in one fell swoop, all the churches are closed.
	I mean, not only the Protestants, but the Catholics, the Orthodox.
	I don't know if you're a church, but in the Armenian church, which I'm in, the official diocese instruction is to conduct the service, but behind locked doors.
	So what is your thoughts on that?
	Is this whole pandemic response a kind of low-key effort to get the Christians, or is this the Christians being lumped into the plan and they're no real threat to those who are in power?
	Could have been a test to see, right?
	I think one angle on this, if everybody remembers that goofy thing, Jade Helm, this is one that I keep referencing in relation to Karunka because Jade Helm was a bunch of nothing.
	But what I think the main purpose of Jade Helm was, was to test and see how people would react to large-scale fear continuity of government type things.
	Like, what if we had a big collapse?
	What if there was this?
	What if there was that?
	How is everybody going to react?
	And I think that the military intentionally had Jade Helm leaked so that people would freak out and get scared.
	If you remember that, a couple of years ago, everybody was talking about it.
	All the alternative media people were talking about.
	Jade Helm, Jade Helm, Jade Helm.
	All I think that was was just a test to see how people would react in those kind of scenarios.
	And then through all the metadata, they could see like what people did.
	And I think that that could be going on here to see how people react.
	You know, if you watch the event 200, then you know that they were doing this kind of stuff of seeing people's reactions to controlling the flow of information the result of these events.
	So it could be that they want to see.
	Well, what is the religious realm's reaction to this?
	Will they immediately cook?
	It looks like they pretty much will.
	I think that the Greek bishops that have been arrested and stood up to this kind of stuff are heroic for those actions.
	Because, I mean, I do understand.
	I did a stream with a deacon who's a friend of mine, Father Deacon Dr. Ananias.
	So he was trying to give like a middle position of like, well, the bishops also have to deal with lawsuits because even though whatever your position on Karonka, if somebody did get sick, let's say somebody in the congregation got pneumonia, they could say Karunka, then sue and destroy the whole church.
	And so they had to make a decision between, well, but I mean saying a local church, right?
	Bankrupt that whole local church.
	So some of the churches in like Roquor, the Russian Orthodox Church have done a thing where it's like five to ten parishioners at a time.
	So they're trying to find mediating positions.
	I don't really honestly know what the solution is to the problem because I can see how, on the one hand, it's at its most basic level, it's like fear to like, are you really afraid of this goofy thing that is like, what, 1% death rate?
	I mean, it's not even, even if it's real, as we're told, you know what I mean?
	So I don't really, I don't really have the answer to how that's what the churches should and shouldn't do because ultimately I think that the strength of the argument is on the side of that you shouldn't shut them down.
	And if we look at previous pandemics, what was the precedent?
	I don't think churches were shut down in previous pandemics.
	And those were real, right?
	Like in the real pandemics.
	So one thing that I wanted to ask you when I fixed this, there we go, is what do you think, what is the elite view on God?
	Because it seems like by hiring witches like Marina Abrimovich to do her, what is it, spirit cooking, which is trying to harness demons.
	So they do believe a lot of those people do believe in the spiritual world.
	Now, if Satan exists, and I think they believe that, that also God must exist too.
	But as Sammy Davis Jr. said, that Satan has more power than God.
	So they really think that.
	But what is, in your opinion, based on what you've read, what is their view on God?
	Why do they spite him?
	Why do they worship the demons?
	I think some of the elite do believe in the occult.
	Some of them do believe that there's a power there that can be tapped into and harnessed.
	Some of them don't.
	I think some of them, I've not found any evidence that like David Rockefeller, I don't know that he was into the occult.
	He could have been.
	But to me, for all intents and purposes, he just looks like a pragmatist atheist.
	I think from Satan's perspective, it doesn't matter whether you acknowledge his existence or whether you're a pragmatic atheist.
	You're still under his, you know, under his power by default.
	But yes, some of the elite do seem to be serious about their occultism.
	They do practice these things.
	In varying degrees, they take it seriously.
	Some seem to have a more darker bent towards animism, voodoo, those kinds of practices.
	Crowley, for example, would advocate those kinds of things.
	He advocated sacrifice and even eating organs at times if you needed to, this kind of pretty crazy stuff.
	Michael Aquino, people are probably familiar with him.
	He's a pretty serious Satanist and military colonel.
	So there are people who take it seriously.
	Is Bill Gates a Satanist?
	I don't know.
	I wouldn't be surprised, but he could also just as easily be an atheist who thinks that it just is what it is and we can merge with computers and become gods or something.
	I mean, that's a Luciferian philosophy, whether one admits the existence of an angel called Satan or Lucifer anyway.
	But I think deep down, you're correct.
	Most people, even wicked people, know deep down that they're rebelling against God.
	That's what Romans 1 says.
	And how do they view us?
	How do they view a Christian?
	I mean, do they see us as a true enemy or just a nuisance in the way of their plan?
	Is there a plan to destroy the Christian people, to destroy the faith?
	What have you encountered?
	Yeah, I would say Psalm 2, right?
	I mean, the nations rage against the Messiah.
	They counsel, they conspire against Christ, against his church, against his kingdom.
	Matthew 16, right?
	Jesus says that the gates of hell do war against the church.
	And most of the church fathers say that the gates of hell is the mouths of heretics, right?
	So there is a historic war against the church, against Christ's church.
	Ultimately, it goes even back to the beginning to the garden, as Augustine says in City of God.
	The church is the city of God, which is God's people throughout all time, Old and New Testament, right?
	Into the eschaton.
	So that's the real spiritual battle going on.
	But in the human domain, not every power structure person sees the church as something to be destroyed.
	In fact, many of them, like Brzezinski and other people, they've said the church is a thing to co-opt and to steer for our purposes rather than just destroying it.
	Some of the more radical groups in history, like Robespierre, the French Revolutionary guys, Voltaire, they've seen the church as something that must be destroyed.
	But I think what's more dangerous and more insidious is the people who don't want to destroy it, but they want to just kind of tweak it and change it and move it into being this kind of one-world religion thing.
	And so, how would you describe your own faith?
	Because you talk about it a lot in your channel.
	I've started to talk about mine too.
	For people who don't know, what church are you currently in?
	So, I attend the Russian Orthodox Church mostly.
	Sometimes I attend other an Antiochian or Serbian, but my home church, I would affirm and agree with the Russian Orthodox Church.
	And how has your faith played a role in light of the knowledge that you have?
	I think you talked about it way early on.
	But so, you have your faith, you're developing it in the Orthodox Church, and you know all this evil that's going on.
	So, what kind of relationship does that have?
	Ironically, sometimes the evil serves to confirm and strengthen the faith.
	I mean, I was raised Protestant.
	I had many years where I was in the world of Catholicism and kind of try to figure out whether I was trad Catholic, and I went into that world for a while.
	And then eventually, I kind of got just fed up with the world of Roman Catholicism.
	Then I got into Orthodoxy around 2007, 8, but I didn't fully commit to it.
	I kind of would go and then I was, I don't know, I don't know.
	So, for me, it was like a 10-year catechumen before I finally did received into the church a couple years ago.
	But yeah, knowing all of this stuff in a roundabout way is kind of what kept bringing me back because I would have periods where I would be really into going to mass and going to church, and then I would just get really fed up with the papacy and Vatican II.
	And then I would like, oh, I'm just burnt out on this, and I don't, I don't care anymore, I'm done with it.
	Um, but I would always kind of like drift back into it.
	Like, I think it was just God's providence.
	It's like if you don't read scripture for a couple years, like eventually something will happen.
	In my case, then you'll just be like, you know, it's been a long time since I read the Psalms.
	Maybe I should pick the Psalms back up and then you'll start reading again.
	And then you don't have a Psalter, you don't read a psalm every night.
	No, I'm saying like years ago.
	Okay, I was only joking.
	So, I guess you kind of hinted to it, but why not Catholicism?
	Trad mass, why not Protestantism, a biblical-based Protestant church?
	Why Orthodoxy?
	Well, I was raised Baptist.
	I got into hardcore Protestant Puritan Reform theology when I was 19, 20, 21.
	I went to Protestant seminary for almost a year, and I had a really in-depth class there, which was on ancient and medieval church history.
	So, part of the reading requirements were about four or five books from the church fathers and on church history.
	And just on my own, I got the church fathers set, which you see here behind me.
	And I just started plowing through the church fathers because if you're committed to Protestantism, you know, one of the key doctrines is sola scripturas.
	You know, scripture alone is the foundation stone that you're going to build your theology on.
	And so, I got curious about how the biblical canon was put together and the notion of tradition and this kind of stuff.
	The more that I dove into the church fathers, I started realizing that tradition is inseparable from how the canon came to be.
	And while I recognize that many Protestants do recognize that, I think it's an inconsistent position ultimately to believe on the one hand that the scriptures alone are the guide and authority.
	And then when you look at the historic church, you start to realize that they had bishops, they had a liturgy, they had tradition.
	And many of those churches for many centuries didn't have a full Bible, right?
	The canon of scripture was debated for many, many centuries.
	So, how is the church working?
	How is it functioning?
	How is it being the church when it didn't have the foundation stone of the Bible, right?
	If it only had some of the texts or whatever.
	And eventually that kind of led me out of the world of Calvinism and Protestantism.
	But that was back in 2003.
	And the internet wasn't, you know, as prevalent as it is now.
	So all I knew about at the time was the Protestant, Roman Catholic kind of debate.
	And so I was very, I read all the Protestant critiques that I could find of the Roman Catholic Church.
	And then I read all the Roman Catholic apologists that I could find at the time, all the Scott Hans and the Syngenists and the Creefs and the Mattitics and all those people.
	And so eventually I just kind of read my way out of Protestantism, but I didn't know about Vatican II.
	I didn't know about, you know, all of the problems of the papacy and the history of the papacy and the pre-papal, the pre-Vatican II encyclicals.
	I had not read any of that stuff.
	And so I was in the normal Nova Sordo Roman Catholic world for about two or three years.
	And I started realizing that something is weird here because I'm seeing hip-hop masses.
	I'm seeing clown masses.
	I'm seeing stuff that is worse than even some of the Anglican churches.
	It didn't make any sense.
	Like, how is this not matching up with the church fathers?
	So that got me into the world of traditional Catholicism for many years.
	I went to the Society of St. Pius X Latin Mass for about seven years.
	I think I would drive to Memphis or Nashville to go to the Latin Mass.
	And then eventually I just, it just became evident to me.
	I read a whole, I read all of Vatican II.
	I read most of the councils.
	I read a huge portion of the pre-Vatican II papal encyclicals.
	And it just looked to me like there was two different things being taught here.
	The post-Vatican II church was something new.
	I know all the arguments about trying to find continuity between pre- and post-Vatican II.
	But eventually it just didn't become convincing to me because, you know, there's just so many places like Pius XI's encyclical, Mortalium Animus, where he says that to have these interfaith prayer meetings are apostasy.
	He says they're a surrendering of the faith.
	And to say that the Apostolic See could surrender the faith, really Vatican I makes that impossible.
	So how can the Apostolic See, which is promised in Vatican I, to be in perpetuity with all of its powers and charism until the end of the world, how could it apostatize and not be the Roman Catholic See anymore?
	The cheap cornerstone of the church.
	So for me, it just didn't add up anymore.
	And that doesn't leave a whole lot of options, you know, when you look at the world of, because I was not ever going to go back to Protestant.
	But so there's Orthodoxy.
	And then I had visited.
	But if you go back to the Protestant church, you can be your own pope, can't you?
	I'm only joking for the Protestant people that are watching.
	But I did hear a joke that was pretty good: that the non-denominational are the Protestants of the Protestants.
	Yeah, I think that's accurate.
	Yeah.
	I was in a pretty, I went from Baptist to a more historic Protestantism, right?
	So I got into Presbyterianism and the Westminster Confession and these older kind of like Lutheran Protestant Calvinist debates from centuries ago.
	But that was just kind of a halfway house until I read myself into older church history and the church fathers.
	And so it's pretty evident when you read the church fathers that they're not Protestant.
	This is pretty obvious.
	So you've only got after that, you're either going to be Roman Catholic or you're going to be Orthodox.
	So what role, especially in the USA where the Orthodox were 1.5% or 3% of the population, that, you know, that doesn't even count devout.
	You know, that's just people who identify.
	What role do you think that Orthodoxy has in the future where the tribulations are coming, at least in the USA?
	I mean, does it have a role to play or are we just too few in number that we're always going to be this niche, ethnic kind of church that doesn't really make a difference in the direction of perhaps trying to reverse or handle some of the evil that is happening within the country?
	No, I think that as things get worse, we're going to see continued, we're going to see people turning to the church.
	I think that it's going to be more and more evident which churches are more faithful to tradition and stand out.
	So I think that, especially in the world of Protestantism, the reason that you see so many people converting to Catholicism and Orthodoxy is because they're looking for authenticity.
	They're looking for tradition.
	They're looking for something that's not Joel Osteen's made-up thing, self-help crap.
	They want something authentic.
	So that's what promotes and provokes a lot of people to, prompts a lot of people to look into the historic quote-unquote churches.
	And really, I think the, I mean, because I believe the Orthodox Church is the true church, I mean, I think that they're really the only ones that are going to stand as things get worse.
	And so it's going to draw people.
	I mean, no doubt the Orthodox Church, especially in America, has its share of problems.
	There's no doubt about that.
	I'll be the first to complain about those problems and talk about them.
	But I think that we have the means to weather the coming storms, ironically, because we're neither Protestant nor Roman Catholic.
	We're not either one.
	So we're not susceptible to the just crazy splintering factions that you get in the Protestant world, like you said, of just anybody can start a strip mall.
	But at the same time, we're not susceptible to the house of cards model of the papacy, where if you get the office of the papacy co-opted, like the whole thing screwed over, right?
	I mean, so the decentralized, yet at the same time, hierarchical model of the Orthodox Church, I think is what is its strength, ironically.
	And when you look at the ecumenical councils, the first seven, and you read the canons, this is very enlightening.
	I think that only the Orthodox Church really consistently operates still the same way that the church for the first millennium operated because the canons have all kinds of things that the Roman Catholics and the Protestants don't follow.
	For example, there's bishops, there's norms about how you do the liturgy, about the Eucharist, about worship.
	All those things are in the ancient canons of the church.
	Limits on bishops, limits on the papacy in the ancient canons that even the Roman Catholic Church accepts.
	Very bizarre, like Canon VI of Nicaea.
	So I think that we have the pedigree if we will be faithful.
	And if we want to, we could reap a giant harvest as a result of the coming trials that are, I'm sure, going to come in America.
	Now, what would you say to someone who is watching who maybe is not following Christ right now, but knows there is a spiritual element to what is going on, who wants to get closer to the faith, but now churches are closed?
	What kind of advice do you have for them who's not a total fedora-tipping atheist?
	It's like, there is no God, I'm sure of it.
	You know, who kind of has one, who wants to feel that spiritual essence that God gave us?
	What would you tell them?
	And when you give this answer, I'm going to step aside for one second to use the bathroom, but just keep on talking.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	There is a great documentary I would recommend called The Icon.
	It's a seven-part documentary, and that's a good introduction to not just like the pretty art of orthodoxy, but it's an introduction to the idea and the ethos of orthodoxy, right?
	The aesthetic of orthodoxy and how it ties into culture.
	That documentary gets pretty deep into culture, iconography, imagery, how we should view these kinds of things, and how the modern world, since it dispensed with the tradition of iconography, has replaced it with advertising.
	So you can find the documentary on YouTube.
	It's a really good introduction to our worldview.
	It's just called the Icon seven-part documentary.
	It's like three hours long or so.
	That's a good place to start.
	If you're more of a scientifically minded person who's open to maybe physics and math showing the existence of God, there's a good book that points in that direction called The Mind of God by Paul Davies.
	He's not explicitly arguing for like the transcendental argument or something like that.
	But what he does is he looks at physics, he looks at math, and he says, you know, there's a lot in these domains that point us to, you know, something more going on that suggests a mind, right?
	An omniscient divine mind.
	That's a good book for people that are just kind of like broaching the subject and are open-minded.
	Something more culturally critique-oriented, I would say read Father Seraphim Rose's book, Nihilism, because if you like the kind of critique that Ruch gave in his talks on COVID or his other cultural critiques, or if you like the critiques that I do, what Seraphim Rose does in that book is critique how society's revolutionary philosophies have kind of led us to the point where we are.
	And so he does in the first chapter actually a presuppositional critique of the philosophy of nihilism, the philosophy of revolution, and how it actually progresses to darker and darker and darker phases into like perfect nihilism or full-on satanic nihilism.
	So those are good books that cover like the aesthetic realm of orthodoxy in terms of the icon or the intellectual realm with Paul Davies on the mind of God and physics and mathematics or a cultural critique from Father Seraphim Rose.
	Those are all good ones.
	Great.
	And I'm sure your answer was superb.
	Okay.
	And one of the last questions, I have two more.
	And thank you for, are you on a time crunch or do you have a little bit more time?
	Okay.
	So are there any men today in, see, you may have already answered this, but men today in the Orthodox world that we should definitely follow, that we should look to, that is shining a bright light.
	Maybe not the ones in the past, the ones who, you know, who serve at a monastery, who serve at a church, that we can seek guidance from, not just in book form.
	Right.
	And I just wanted to add how, you know, one thing that the Orthodox Church teaches is how important it is to have a spiritual elder, but how difficult it is to find one, especially in a country like the U.S.
	So this has been a sticking point for me.
	I feel like without a spiritual elder, I'm flying blind.
	And I have to find out the hard way that that was not actually from God.
	That was a deception I fell for.
	Now I have to backtrack and things such as that.
	But if you know anyone in the Orthodox world that we can point people towards, I think that would be helpful.
	Somebody who's been, I mean, I've had many people who've offered a lot of spiritual guidance.
	So I don't want to sell anybody short.
	I mean, there have been some important people along the way who've lent their aid and their support and their blessing.
	I appreciate Metropolitan Jonah for his kind words and support.
	And I would say also Father Peter Hears has been a very important advisor and guide in my journey in my life.
	He's very serious about his spiritual walk.
	He's respected and known by quite a few people.
	He spends a lot of time in Greece, has spent a lot of time at Mount Athos.
	So I would say that Father Peter is a really, really great guide for people.
	I always tell people, I'm not an elder and I'm not your spiritual father.
	So don't come to me for like the all I do is talk philosophy and do apologetics, but you need to find that kind of a spiritual guide, you know, on your own.
	And yeah, Father Peter Hears is definitely somebody I'd recommend.
	He's got a lot of great books.
	But like you said, beyond the books, he will point people to elders and like spiritual guides, people that can help people on a more spiritual level.
	Okay.
	And the last question before we get to the super chats, and you have quite a few, Jay, is what is your main, do you have a main concern, a fear that keeps you up at night, that troubles you, that you are trying to work on, or a concern you have for the world?
	I mean, we already talked about a lot of problems, but something specific that kind of, you know, maybe you pray on that you're looking to endure.
	The hardest thing that I worry about is my own spiritual sin and state.
	And I don't say that to be like, oh, I'm so pious.
	Everyone listen to me.
	But I mean, that really is the main struggle I have is that I don't really feel like I should be doing this kind of stuff.
	I mean, I haven't been coerced into it, but I mean, I don't feel like I'm really worthy to represent this kind of theology.
	I think some people think that I just grabbed this and I wanted to do it.
	I'm trying to see in some kind of trend.
	But it's not that way at all.
	I would really much rather be doing purely comedic things.
	I get the most fun and joy out of just doing comedic stuff, Sam Hyde type stuff.
	That's what's fun to me, just kind of being a goofball.
	But I feel like a lot of gifts have been given to me that I need to present this kind of material, that I need to discourse with atheists.
	I actually don't find doing debates with atheists fun.
	It's very tedious.
	I really get tired of it.
	But so that's what weighs on me is that I don't really feel up to doing a lot of this stuff, but I feel like I'm supposed to in a weird way.
	But so that's why I try to direct people to other people.
	Father Peter Hears has a great podcast called Orthodox Ethos.
	So don't listen to me.
	Go listen to him for spiritual advice.
	But I'm not positive that are we in the end end times?
	It could be.
	I'm not 100% positive.
	I just did a stream the other day on that, giving my thoughts on whether I think we it could be.
	I don't know.
	But I hope not.
	So I hope we're not in the final, final days.
	But if we are, you know, Lord, come quickly, I guess, as Paul says.
	Okay, great.
	So I'm going to load up the super chats now, and it's going to make my laptop crawl.
	So if it skips a bit, that's why.
	Okay, sure, sure.
	So you go ahead, and I'm going to load these up.
	Okay, because we got quite a few of them.
	So I want, and they seem to be pretty interesting.
	So, okay.
	So, guys, it looks like I'm going to have to get a live streaming computer, a desktop computer.
	My laptop cannot handle doing an interview.
	It's just a mess.
	So, I'm going to, so if you have any tips you want to leave in the chat or leave in the comments, you know, what kind of setup I should get.
	Oh, boy, hold on.
	And why?
	No, I got to go manage.
	But, you know, when I was doing my silly live streams, just me talking about thoughts, it wasn't a big deal to have a computer that was fast.
	But now that I'm doing interviews and pulling in a lot of the links and stuff like that, having a laptop to do the live streams is unacceptable.
	Okay, so I'm clicking on the link, trying to get the live streams loaded.
	Please bear with me.
	Okay, here we go.
	I'm getting closer.
	Computer CPU, 90%.
	Okay, let me see if I can copy and paste it so I can get out of this browser.
	Okay.
	Select all.
	Copy, paste.
	Okay, actually, I'm going to have to keep that window open.
	Oh, well.
	Okay, Jay, are you still there?
	So, okay.
	Let me get you back in.
	Here we go.
	Okay, first question from Mr. C.
	He donated $2.
	He says, you sound deep, Mountain Man Ruchbass today.
	Okay, thanks.
	Pax Americana, he says, Gagandeep says hello.
	And Jay, your Indian accent is not nearly as good as mine.
	So please step aside, Jay.
	You cannot.
	What are you talking about?
	You are not even sound like Indian man.
	You're right.
	You have me beat all that one.
	Okay, Oliver donates five British pounds.
	We'll get you a job at a call center.
	Thank you very much.
	Hello, my name is Steve.
	I will help you with your problem today.
	All right, Oliver said, Roosh, can Jay do his lower, quote, lower West Manhattan voice when he talks about the Juge pants like back in like 2017.
	There's a certain plan that has to do with tights.
	I don't know if you've seen the form-fitting tights, but you may recall this talk.
	Yes, that's my Woody Allen.
	Thank you very much there, Mr. Schwartzman.
	Okay.
	Eugene donates 10 pounds.
	Okay, here we go.
	This was directed at me.
	He says, and I'm going to try to sense the tone.
	Roosh, why are you Oriental Orthodox and not Eastern Orthodox?
	And Jay, could you please give Roosh your best argument for becoming a Chad Eastern Orthobro and accepting the Council of Chalcedon?
	God, God bless.
	All right, first, I'll just start by, I went to my baptismal faith.
	And when God sent me that grace, you know, I went to the church, that grace was maintained.
	I asked within the confines of that church, and I received.
	And yes, I have met a lot of Eastern Orthodox who said the same thing.
	Roosh, you know, I actually had an abbot of a monastery.
	He point blank looked at me and said, when are you going to convert to the one holy church?
	I was like, ouch.
	But, you know, the way I see it, if it's God's will, I'm going to do it because I'm trying to do God's will.
	So for those of you who are watching who think I'm in the wrong church, just pray for me that I can find the right church if it is the wrong one.
	And your prayers are going to do much more than say, Rush, you're in the wrong church.
	But Jay, what do you think about that?
	That I am in the Armenian Orthodox Church, which only accepted the first three ecumenical councils.
	But I was told from more than one Eastern Orthodox that my church is developing in parallel to the Eastern Orthodox Church.
	And almost essentially, except for the Christological issue, we believe in the same thing.
	But Jay, can you please offer your tips on this or your thoughts without making me cry right now?
	I would say that the way to solve this problem, there's key figures in the fifth, sixth, and seventh century that could be ways to solve this.
	And so one of the figures that I'm actually working through all of his works right now, which is St. Maximus.
	So St. Maximus the Confessor is one of our key fathers for debating with the people that had the views that the Armenian church has, right?
	So hopefully what I would like to do is just maybe send Roo some of the writings or works of St. Maximus to see if he would be swayed to our position.
	So I understand this issue.
	And actually, at a time, I was interested in Armenian Orthodoxy.
	When I first started looking at Orthodoxy, I was interested in Coptic Orthodox or Eastern Orthodox and Armenian.
	So I read a good bit on this topic.
	So I feel like I have some insight into it.
	And from my vantage point, the easiest way to solve it is to look at the figure of St. Maximus.
	So I think I'm going to send Rush probably his dispute with Pyrrhus, which would probably be the best way to resolve this issue.
	And it's not a very long book.
	It's a pretty brief book.
	But I think that people who are interested in this topic would find the dispute with Pyrrhus the most relevant.
	Okay, great.
	But whatever the case, I'm sure God will let his will be known for me.
	Or maybe he wants me to get the Armenians to accept the fourth through seventh ecumenical councils.
	Okay, Luther Huri donates 10 euros.
	He says, God bless.
	Thank you.
	Mark Nanamin donates $5.
	He says, if you could start life over at 18 with the knowledge you have now, would you still pursue a public career in ideological polemics?
	I think that's referring to you, Jay.
	And if you don't want to answer these questions, that's fine.
	It's up to you.
	Oh, well, no, that's fine.
	I mean, what I said to you at the end of the show was kind of making the point that I don't really want to be doing ideological polemics as a career.
	I had much more fun just making comedic videos.
	And, you know, but I feel like if I'm supposed to debate an atheist, it would help people that I should.
	But no, I don't really want to be an ideological person as a career.
	I don't even know what that is.
	Okay.
	I'm just a YouTuber, bro.
	I'll be the next Jake Paul.
	Okay.
	Byzantine Warrior the 12th says, Jay, could you explain how Eastern Catholicism's contradictory theology refutes Roman Catholicism?
	I'm sure there's many coping trad caps that need the orthopil here.
	I don't know what that means.
	Well, we have a friend that is in my Discord.
	His name is David the Real Med White.
	He did a video called Eastern Catholicism Refutes Roman Catholicism.
	And what he shows is that you basically have the possibility within the Roman Catholic world of two conflicting different confessions, right?
	So you have a time period where many people in the Orthodox world are considered heretics, considered schismatics, and Rome now accepts people like Gregory Palamas, right, as being saints.
	So Uniatism is really a kind of a double mind position.
	And if you look into the way the Uniate world works, that it's just like Orthodoxy, but and many of them don't even accept later Roman Catholic councils amongst the Uniates, which doesn't make sense.
	I mean, you have to accept Trent.
	You have to accept Vatican I if you're a Roman Catholic.
	So Uniatism is just really a halfway house where it says, okay, be Orthodox, just accept the Pope.
	But that's not really Roman Catholicism.
	Like you have to accept all of the councils in the Roman Catholic world.
	So if you look at, just look at David's video, David the Real Med White, Eastern Catholicism refutes Roman Catholicism.
	His video lays out that argument in eight minutes.
	Okay, great.
	And Mark asks, Mark Naneman, he asks, is the Maya Pfizetism issue between Oriental and Chalcedonian Orthodox just an issue of semantics like the Filioque dispute with the Latins?
	Now, from my point of view, I've heard both.
	Some of the Eastern Orthodox say that the Coptics will say it's some semantics, but they're dead wrong and so on.
	But what are your thoughts, Jay?
	The best book on this is Father John McGuckin's book, St. and the Christological Controversy, because he goes to great lengths to demonstrate that even later Orthodox writers, Maximus, St. John Damascus, they have a way to understand and incorporate Miaphysis that's not unorthodox.
	So if we read the new theandric energy the way that John Damascus and Maximus do, it's not a problem.
	And there could be reconciliation if the Orientals will accept that there's two wills and two energies.
	The problem becomes that the terminology is different.
	So when we develop a terminology of hypostasis and nature that's really precise, there's an older way that some of the Orientals still read hypostasis and usia in a different way.
	So that's, I'm not saying it's all the problem.
	That's part of the problem.
	But this book, if you want the best book on that subject of Miaphusis, I recommend this.
	That'll solve your issues with that.
	Great.
	Then we have Telecaster Bear donates 999.
	He says, shekels for my favorite YouTubers.
	Jay, try to do the Roosh voice.
	Would you like to try, Jay?
	I can't do it.
	You got to have a really weird thing, something unique.
	Ruch's voice is just very plain.
	It's just a normal voice.
	It's not like a, you know.
	If you go back to that whippet voice that you had in the first stream, we were like talking about this.
	That's my bane voice.
	Okay.
	And he also says our slash Orthodox Christianity is fake and pee-pee and poo-poo.
	Any advice for really bad faith?
	Because no liturgy and liturgy keeps me straight and inspired.
	Do the liturgy as best you can.
	We had a thing that got sent to us to do Posca at home.
	I mean, what else can you do?
	I have a thing that I've done that's helped me a lot, which is you can listen to Bible and audio.
	So I try to play that pretty consistently at night.
	So even when I'm going to sleep, that my mind doesn't wander if I've got like the Psalms playing at night.
	So those are things that have helped me a lot.
	Great.
	Magdalene, a real female, donates $5.
	She says, Jay, what was the name of that book about the managerial class you mentioned?
	David Rothkopp, R-O-T-H. Tomasi's plate spinning theory.
	Is it useful?
	Is he a real alpha male?
	It's degenerate, man.
	It's, you know, one thing I'll just say is that at the time I thought I was a masculine man because I was banging a lot of girls.
	I was really enslaved.
	I was enslaved to my passions.
	I elevated women as a false god.
	So at the time, I thought I was the strongest.
	I was the weakest.
	That's all I'll say about that.
	But if Jay wants to add something, I don't know what that theory is.
	I read some of his blogs many years ago.
	about you know how to manage multiple women at the same time to extract as many orgasms and fun as you possibly can okay we'll just keep going Eugen donates five pounds.
	He says, Jay and Rouche, do you think Tsar Nicholas II was a good monarch that got unlucky or a bad monarch who tried his best?
	I'll leave it to you, Jay.
	I mean, a lot of Russian churches, like we have an icon of him.
	So I think most of the people in my circles would think that he's a martyr.
	That doesn't mean that he was necessarily always saintly because sometimes you can be a lot of times in Orthodoxy, a person is sainted or attains that status because of something specifically great they did.
	So they might not have lived the most exemplary lives, but then if they died a martyr's death.
	So I don't have any problems criticizing the Tsar's life.
	I'm sure he didn't do everything in the most virtuous way.
	Most rulers don't.
	But I think they were martyred, you know.
	Okay, Scott Summers donates $20.
	He says, thoughts on the Jewish question and the five dancing Israelis on 9-11.
	Well, I mean, nine events don't go too well on YouTube.
	So this is your channel.
	I don't know how you feel about discussing nine events.
	I mean, as long as you refer to them in the nicest of terms, you know, actually, what we have a little meme on my channel, we don't call them that word.
	We call them tractors.
	You know, tractors, they're just barreling down the highway, destroying everything possible.
	But no, we love our Jewish masters.
	So, but if you had a couple thoughts in general, well, yeah, I have studied 9-11, the nine event for many years.
	I've read a lot of books on the nine event.
	There definitely was a neoconservative and power structure involvement, I believe, in that event.
	Yeah, I'll leave it at that.
	And I think if people, I mean, this is a, I mean, that question alone could be a three-hour talk, but anyway.
	Okay, I think he knows where we both probably stand on that.
	So, Radio Red Pill again.
	Oh, geez.
	How do you feel about MGTOW trashing the P WA community?
	I don't care.
	Do you think they should even be a part of the Manosphere?
	Don't care.
	Is there a solution to the problem?
	Don't care.
	Sorry, dude.
	But thank you for the five pounds.
	Okay, Alex donates Norwegian 50.
	He says, Roosh, you are a good man.
	Bogte Blagoslovio.
	Thank you very much, and God bless you.
	Telecaster Bear, who donates another $4.99.
	He says, did you guys just heal the Chalcedonian schism?
	You echo many.
	Ew, disgusting, dude.
	Yes, we did.
	We showed that Orthobros of the Eastern Orthodoxy and the Armenian Orthodoxy can bond.
	Okay, Nicodemus, the Pharisee, donates $5.
	He says, was Henry Ford controlled opposition to deflect attention away from the Anglo-Venetian Druidic conspiracy onto the poor Hebrews?
	I don't think that, I mean, I don't buy into that the modern fascism was some good movement.
	I know that's going to be really contentious.
	I mean, they might have had a piece of the picture correct critiquing capital and all that.
	But I don't, I mean, I believe in an Orthodox notion of monarchy.
	And so fascism and all the fascist movements were not very friendly to monarchy.
	Here's a question that maybe we could explore a little bit.
	I'd be curious to hear Jay's thoughts.
	Deutscher Kanal says, what part does Israel play in the New World Order?
	If they mean, will it be the capital of the coming global order?
	It's possible.
	I don't know for sure.
	There have been multiple cities that have been discussed as possible world capitals.
	I mean, it could be.
	It could be too.
	Many of the church fathers do think that Israel will play a role in the future eschatological crises, but it really depends on whether we are in those final final days or whether that's still down the road.
	And I don't know for sure that we are.
	I think we'll know in the next 20 or 30 years if we're in the final final days for sure.
	Okay, and Blue North Bear donates $10.
	He says, you both led me to Eastern Orthodoxy.
	Thank you.
	I'm so glad to have met you, Roosh and Jay.
	Come to Minnesota and we can have a ham's beer and ice fish.
	I don't drink though, you know.
	I could go to Minnesota, but I don't drink, eh?
	And I must say that I did not bring anyone to the church.
	God is using me.
	Maybe God's using Jay too.
	So we're just serving our own roles to bring good to the world.
	Even at least I can speak for me after having done bad for such a long time.
	Eugene donates £10.
	He says, Jay and Roosh, do you think America is so polarized along political and racial lines that it will eventually balkanize?
	Would it be our chance to establish an Orthodox monarchy in a region of America?
	I think it will polarize and balkanize the Karanka virus stuff and the East and West Coast versus Middle America and the South, I think, show that.
	But no, I think that would be ridiculous and LARPy to think that we could set up some kind of civil state.
	The solution is not setting up a civil state.
	That's got things backwards.
	Okay, great.
	Arman Babakanian sounds like an Armenian name.
	He says, what is the Orthodox position on Israel's future?
	Is Israel still blessed and going to be saved?
	Is Israel the church?
	No.
	So I'll just add what I learned is that Israel is now the body of Christ.
	The church, not the physical landmass as determined by the Balfour Declaration in the 40s or 50s.
	But, Jay, can you offer your thoughts on this?
	Right.
	That's the church is the real continuation of the spiritual Israel.
	But I don't think that there's absolutely no future.
	Most of the church fathers are pretty consistent that there will be a future conversion of the Jews.
	Now, don't confuse what I'm saying with like John Hagee and that kind of goofy evangelical stuff.
	That's not what I'm saying.
	We know the church fathers weren't teaching John Hagee type stuff, but they do consistently say that Romans 11 and other texts do prophesy a future conversion of the Jews.
	So John Damascus was very clear about that at the end of his Exposition of Orthodox Faith, St. Cyril of Alexandria.
	Most of them were pretty consistent that Romans 11 and other texts do teach at some point that there will be a future conversion of the Jews.
	And I take it to be like if we were to, if we think about the, like in the times of Isaiah or the prophets, you know, they were God's church at that time, and they were being told predictions that the world would be eventually, many nations would come to worship the God of Israel.
	I mean, that sound to them, it would have sounded, Lord, that's crazy.
	How would this be possible?
	And I think Paul predicts a mass apostasy in the church eventually to the Thessalonians.
	He says there will be a great falling away.
	And in Romans 11, he seems to be unambiguous that when the largely Gentile church apostatizes, he says, you will see the conversion of the Jews.
	And so, just as Isaiah would have found it just unimaginable and impossible that the Gentile nations could convert to the God of Israel, I think we're in the same position where we look at, we're like, it seems utterly impossible that Jews could eventually accept Christ.
	But I think that's what the prophets predict.
	Okay.
	Mac donates $10.
	He says, is white nationalism evil?
	Thanks, God.
	God bless.
	I'll just offer my own thoughts.
	The problem with it is that it puts race above God.
	It makes a false God out of it.
	Now, race is important.
	You see when they flood the U.S. with the third world, how fractured we are.
	They are the shock troops.
	I mean, you go outside.
	I feel like I'm walking through international airport.
	But my experience of these kind of guys is they're putting, they don't have God.
	They don't have God in their lives.
	So race becomes the God.
	What do you think, Jay?
	Yeah, I think it can be an idol.
	I would agree with that assessment.
	And there's a great documentary on what's it called?
	It's Byzantium, Christian Empire Wrecked by the West.
	That documentary actually presents a good reason why nationalism in itself cannot be the highest political order, because if you look at how Byzantium crumbled, nationalism was a big part of that.
	Greek pride, ethnic pride, was one of the key means that Byzantium fell apart.
	So because I believe in the Orthodox conception of the Imperium, the Ecumene, and what would continue into the Russian idea of how to do state crap and monarchy, I can't say that there's a strictly ethnic component to how a society should be constructed.
	And that documentary actually shows why this was problematic for Byzantium.
	Okay, administrator donates 10 pounds.
	He says, I, for one, welcome our new alien overlords, 21st century carbon-neutral, 5G-enabled, high-definition, cloud-hosted blockchain, vegan, digitally remastered space communism.
	Wow.
	Sounds like Star Trek.
	Radio red pill FM, him again.
	Yes.
	Okay, I'm going to ask it in the voice that I think he may have.
	Is game relevant if you have big muscles in the car, dude?
	Just stop watching porn, man.
	Come on now.
	Okay, Conrad Franz donates $4.99.
	He says Bulgaria and Georgia kept their churches open.
	Only two patriarchates, not in the World Council of Churches.
	Curious.
	What do you think, Jay?
	Yeah, I think we need to be out of the World Council of Churches.
	It's bad news.
	It's a Rockefeller-funded and created United Nations scam.
	Mike Underwood says, thank you both for bringing the light of Christ.
	What's the best way to counter conspiracy theorists' rhetorical attacks on us?
	One of the things I always point to is I say things like, well, do you believe that governments in history have engaged in espionage?
	And pretty much everybody will admit that because espionage and spying is the second oldest profession after everybody knows what the oldest profession is.
	And if that's the case, then you admit in principle that conspiracy happens at the highest level.
	You know, I can tell you, Jay, it's been very hard to get to normies with this coronavirus thing.
	I mean, the TV and the internet is mind-blasting them with fear.
	And it's just, you give them a little, even if you talk for an hour to them and you get a little bit of truth into them, you see them a week after when they've been mind-blasted for another dozen hours.
	And they just, you're starting all the way back.
	So it's really tough.
	But unfortunately, I think we have to accept that at least 80% of the population is going to swallow whatever nonsense Bill Gates throws at them.
	But if we can get to the 20%, I mean, you really only need 5% to 10% of a population to say no to really halt everything.
	Yeah, that's a great point.
	And the Milgram experiments, I think, show what you're saying.
	I mean, if you look at the supermarket, you're legally required to wear a face mask when going in.
	I imagine if only 10% of people raise a stink, say, no, I'm not going to do it within a half an hour, that whole supermarket is going to be shut down totally.
	So we don't need that many people.
	You don't have to convince everyone, I guess, is what I'm saying.
	User one donates £499.
	He says, What is Russia's role in the technocracy?
	Are the leaders of Russia outside of the current world power structure?
	No, there's a fifth column in Russia.
	I mean, all the big think tanks and NGOs are present in Russia.
	Some of them have been booted.
	I think Soros was booted, but you still have like the Carnegie Foundation and those things are still out there.
	There's magazines that are run by the Council on Foreign Relations still in Russia.
	So there's kind of an internal dialectic there.
	I don't know a whole lot about Russia.
	I have friends that are way more knowledgeable on Russia than me.
	So I would just say people can go read what Mark Hackard and Nina Byzantina, what they write about that stuff.
	I'm not a Russia expert, but I mean, the plan that the technocrats have is for everywhere.
	There's no place that's going to be immune to what they're trying to push.
	And Jay, would you say that Vladimir Putin, he kind of has to play ball to a certain extent, that he's not as independent that a lot of people say?
	I view him kind of like Trump.
	He does some good things, some bad things.
	But I don't really look to any political guy to fix everything or be some kind of savior.
	I'm not anti-Putin, but not a huge Putin trumpeter.
	I think people mistakenly think, oh, if you go to a Russian Orthodox Church and you're like a, like you just go around proselytizing for Putin or something.
	I mean, Putin hardly ever comes up in our Discord.
	We have a Discord server with almost 2,000 people inquiring into looking at Orthodoxy.
	Putin hardly ever even comes up in there.
	Okay, this next question for you, Jay, is a little aggressive.
	You don't want to answer it.
	That's fine.
	He says, Sun State 88 says, How come Jay can, in the most disparaging of ways, criticize all non-Orthodox sects of Christianity, but never frankly criticize antichrist Judaism?
	I have multiple talks where I have critiqued Kabbalism.
	I have one whole talk on Neoplatonism and Kabbalism on their erroneous view of Genesis.
	I have multiple talks on the continuity of the Old and New Testament.
	I did a talk on Marx and Marxism.
	So that I don't ever talk about those things is not accurate.
	I mean, the first chapter of my book covers the Rothschilds.
	So I did a whole talk on Tragedy and Hope, the banking empires.
	I did a talk with Tim Kelly on the Rothschilds.
	So not sure what he means that I don't ever talk about those things.
	But I don't see just Judaism as like a major player in the world power structure.
	I see groups like Zionism as a political power, a power bloc that are very powerful, sure.
	And they're allied with the Western power structure.
	It's the Anglo-American U.S. UK-Israel power structure pretty much runs the world.
	They don't control everything.
	But I don't know.
	I mean, does he think that rabbinic Judaism runs everything?
	I don't think they run everything.
	Okay, Mark David Chat.
	I'm not sure if I understand this one coming up, but maybe you do, Jay.
	He says, during Confirmation, church brought us to all different churches.
	No Orthodox church.
	Curious.
	What that means.
	During Confirmation, Church brought us to all different churches.
	Like on a field trip?
	Anyway.
	Well, thank you, Mark.
	Oh, he means when he was confirmed, his church took him to a bunch of churches.
	Does he mean confirmed in an Orthodox church?
	That sounds odd.
	Oh, maybe.
	I don't know, unfortunately.
	Okay, Drunken Warlock says, can churches be divided ecclesiastically and still both remain part of the one true church?
	For example, Chalcedonian schism.
	I wouldn't use the Chalcedonian example because for us, Chalcedon is resolved in the fifth, the debates after Chalcedon are resolved in the fifth and sixth council for Orthodox.
	But there have been times where within the confines of the Orthodox Church and even during the first millennium, and even Roman Catholics had to accept this, where certain patriarchates and bishops are out of communion with one another.
	In fact, councils and church fathers and saints have even been at councils that were out of communion with the bishop of Rome that are later accepted as true ecumenical councils.
	So there have been many cases in the nuances of church history where it's not always totally black and white.
	So, but do we fundamentally think that the church itself can schism?
	No.
	But like Paul and Barnabas have a big fight in the book of Acts and they part ways.
	Does that mean the church is split?
	No, but those things can be resolved without it being the case that the church is divided or something like that.
	But I think that Chalcedon is a good example of that.
	Okay.
	And Liam Converse says, this one is a bit tough.
	What would you recommend to someone who wanted to convert now and cannot receive sacraments because of the pandemic?
	I was in a situation similar to that for a long time where I didn't have an Orthodox church near me.
	So all you can do is what you can do.
	So I would say use that time to learn scripture, get an Orthodox, big fan of that, Read the church fathers, read writing, start with Athanasius on the incarnation, read Athanasius Against the Heathen.
	These are short works.
	You can read the catechetical lectures of St. Cyril of Jerusalem.
	Those are some great introductions to the church fathers.
	And then when you do have the ability, you know, then try to find the church.
	Yeah, this one is a little bit tough.
	I mean, even a couple people have asked me, and I'm not sure what the answer is, but that was a pretty good answer.
	I would say, you know, you're probably going to have to start with other things first, start to pray, start to read the Bible, a study Bible.
	But I would contact priests in your area and then see if you can get a one-on-one with them.
	Because, I mean, the priests, they still want to do their work.
	It's not like they're not taking a trip to the beach or something like that.
	Okay, so we have one last batch of super chats because they were really coming in.
	Jeff C donates 15.
	He says, I have no question.
	Just thanks to you both.
	Became Christian reading Aurelius M on Returning Kings, Ortho-Pilling on Discord.
	Thank you.
	Alaska Shaga says, Jay, what is the Orthodox opinion vis-à-vis traditional Catholicism?
	Are they on the right track or as far off the mark as a dung beetle pagan?
	Well, I mean, there's no easy questions for a case-by-case basis.
	I mean, I was a traditional Catholic.
	I was sincere.
	I was wanting to know and find out what was true.
	But if I was talking to me and back in the stage of traditional Catholicism, what I would tell me is to relax and try to study the other position and understand it better.
	Because in many instances, I would look at Orthodox theology, think I understood it, but I didn't really.
	And it really wasn't until I got way deeper into people like St. Maximus and I'd read all of John Damascus's works that are in English, this kind of stuff, where I really grasped it better.
	And not just reading those old guys, but even reading the 20th century Orthodox theologians that are really good, like Florovsky and Losky, Father Staniloy.
	So I would just like tell myself or try to relax and just try to understand the Orthodox position better.
	And I'm not saying it's all intellectual.
	It's not just intellectual, but try to go and visit, you know, the liturgies and see.
	If your conscience tells you that it's evil to do that, you don't have to participate.
	You can just go and watch and observe it or just see how the liturgy is done on videos.
	There's a great video that Rokor puts out called Fountain of Immortality, where they explain the liturgy point by point.
	And I think you'll see that what you're looking for in this world is lost.
	I mean, I know there's still trad chapels, understand that, but the Roman See has, for whatever reasons you want to ascribe it to, has surrendered its liturgical legacy.
	I don't know why they would do that.
	Why they would want to have a bunch of Protestants rewrite the Latin rite and turn it into an Anglican service.
	But watch something like Fountain of Immortality, that documentary from Rokor on the Orthodox liturgy.
	It's really good.
	And just try to understand the position.
	Okay, great.
	Dalton donates $30.
	He says, Christ is risen.
	Jay and Roosh.
	Thank you, Dalton.
	Radio Red Pill FM.
	Oh, him again.
	He says, will we ever beat gynocentrism?
	Dude, stop cooming.
	Just stop masturbating.
	That's your first thing to do, man.
	But thank you for donating.
	Event Horizon donates $10.
	He says, isn't there a split in Eastern Orthodoxy right now?
	Who's right?
	Constantinople or Moscow?
	James White warned you years ago, Jay, about quote smells and bells and leaving the purity of the biblical gospel.
	Hopefully that's a joke, but it may not be.
	I have two talks.
	I had two talks on that.
	So you can go listen to the talk I did on Constantinople and you can listen and how states and spooks subvert churches.
	I have two talks on that.
	And Jay's YouTube channel is linked below his YouTube channel and his website.
	So click on that after we're done here.
	Bull Talks donated $10.
	He says, Great stream, Rush and Jay.
	Any advice for finding a church in a city like Chicago?
	I would stay away from the Go Arch Greek Orthodox Archdiocese churches.
	And I would try to find Serbian, Russian Orthodox.
	Some OCA churches can be good.
	Some of the Greek churches are still good.
	I would just say maybe go and see which ones are around you and see which one you jive the best with.
	If you want the liturgy to be done in English and you don't want that ethnic component, then I would advise for the OCA church, Orthodox Church of America, or the Antiochian Church.
	Those could also be worth trying.
	Okay, of CNAR donates $5.
	He said, what's your best advice for someone who wants to learn about Christianity?
	Like, where do I start?
	And shout out to all my DMV niggas.
	So DMV is for DC, Maryland, Virginia.
	So shout out right back to you.
	So what's the best advice, Jay, for someone who wants to learn about Christ?
	Well, you could start by reading the Gospel of John as a good place to start.
	Or you could watch the icon documentary that I mentioned earlier that's on YouTube.
	It's just called the Icon, seven-part documentary.
	Or you could, if you're looking for a book, Father Seraphim Rose has a book, God's Revelation to the Human Heart.
	And I would advise just to read the Gospels.
	Read the New Testament only with the study Bible.
	Study Bible.
	Don't just buy a Bible and start to read.
	Study Bible.
	Do not read the Old Testament.
	Not yet.
	Just wait on that.
	If you want to learn about Christ, do not read the Old Testament.
	That has confused a lot of people who are early in their walk because boy, is it different?
	You need more spiritual guidance in order to read that.
	Okay, Brian Baldelli says, thanks.
	God bless.
	And look into Father Seraphim Rose.
	Thank you, Brian.
	Drunken Warlock donates $10.
	He says, would the acceptance of Oriental saints be a major problem for unity, given the fact that many of them, such as Severus, understood Orthodox theology and rejected it?
	Jay?
	Yeah, I think that would be one of the major hurdles.
	Even if the Oriental and the Eastern ironed out the terminological issues, one of the main problems would be who is and isn't a saint.
	That would definitely be a stumbling block.
	Yeah, I would say once again, one of our guys in our Discord who's really good on this topic is David.
	I think David is going to debate pretty soon one of the guy who's like a champion of Severus.
	So look for David the Real Med White's channel and he'll be debating on that topic.
	Okay.
	Man Kramer donates $25 with no comment.
	Thank you.
	Mark donates 5.
	He says, what holds you back from becoming Eastern Orthodox, Roosh?
	I already addressed that earlier.
	Okay, Drunken Warlock says, Roosh, can you speak at all more about your meeting with Elder Ephraim?
	He is considered by many of us to have been a saint.
	Now, I detailed this story a while ago on my Babylon Road.
	I think it was Babylon Road around 15 to 16.
	But just a quick recap, I went to St. Anthony's Monastery in Arizona, and I was informed that since I was Armenian Orthodox, I could not worship in the nave of the church where everyone else was.
	I could only worship in the narthex.
	So I felt excluded.
	I felt thrown out of paradise.
	And I tried to worship in the narthex, but I couldn't hear or see anything.
	And my pride got the best of me.
	I got very angry, actually.
	And so I went for a walk around the monastery, just taking some video clips for my blog.
	But my anger was rising.
	And I was thinking, I hope I run into that monk who said I can only worship in the narthex.
	And lo and behold, the monk is coming.
	And I was thinking in my head, I hope he says something to me because then I can argue with him.
	And he did.
	He said, so how was the service?
	And I said, well, I couldn't really worship because I couldn't go in.
	And then I wasn't super rude, but I was curt with him.
	And I started getting into an argument.
	And then as I was arguing with him, here comes this little man being held by another monk.
	And then the monk said, the monk I was arguing with through a lot of pride said, that is Elder Ephraim.
	And I looked and then the monk said, you can receive a blessing from him.
	And I said, okay.
	So I went and I received a blessing from him.
	One thing I can tell you about the elder is that he was glowing.
	It was like he was kind of orange almost.
	And he looked, he was so old.
	I mean, but he looked healthy.
	It's kind of hard to explain, but he had a glow about, not a glow outside of his skin, but on his skin.
	When I received the blessing, I went back to the monk and I forgot why I was angry.
	I forgot totally.
	But the monk wanted to continue the talk about, you know, why I wasn't allowed.
	But I didn't care anymore.
	I just didn't care.
	And he could see I didn't care anymore.
	He said, oh, I see you're having a moment.
	And I was just smiling off into space like a weirdo.
	I just, it just escaped me totally.
	And the thing I'll tell you about this is when I looked at the monk, his skin was so pale and yellowish.
	And it wasn't that he was, but compared to the elder, compared, his skin was, I'm sure I look like that too.
	It's just we didn't have that holy sheen.
	So that is the story.
	And he actually died.
	The elder died about just like two months after.
	So I see it as divine providence that I received the blessing.
	And it really showed me how receiving a blessing from a holy man can change your, what's going on in your mind instantly like a flash without any effort.
	I can't even explain it.
	But what do you think about that, Jay?
	Or have you had a chance to receive a blessing from him or anyone else?
	I never did.
	I did get a chance to go to a conference at one of the monasteries after you had experienced that.
	That was one of the monasteries he set up, but he had already passed.
	So I've not yet been able to.
	We were trying to set up a thing to go to Mount Athos, but now that the Karanka has happened, I don't know if that's going to be on schedule.
	But I was planning to go to Mount Athos this year.
	So hopefully in the near future.
	Okay, we're almost done.
	We've got about six more left.
	Canali Italiano says, Jay, do you think Zionism is heretical?
	Well, the original Theodore Herzl was interested in a purely political, salvific approach to recasting Judaism.
	So, I don't really have a position on, I mean, all of the Judaic positions, whether it's Orthodox or Reform, or they're not Orthodox for us.
	So, within the sphere of Judaism, is it heretical?
	I think the what's that group?
	Naturi Kartai, they view Zionism as heretical.
	But isn't it just an atheistic kind of self-salvation political scheme?
	Okay, Orthodox Reactionary donates $20.
	He says, Thank you for the valuable chat.
	If you're interested in Father Seraphim Rose, you can listen to some of his works on the Orthodox Reactionary YouTube channel.
	Thank you.
	Chappy donates £2.
	He says, Who is your favorite Orthodox monarch and why?
	Probably St. Justinian because he had good theology.
	There's a great book on the person of Christ, which is a summation of St. Justinian's theology.
	The Rocor Monastery bookstore sells that book.
	So off the top of my head, that would be my favorite Orthodox monarch.
	Okay.
	And I don't really have one.
	I have to study up.
	Okay.
	Byzantine Warrior the 12 says, was Russian priest Father Tikhan Shevkunov correct when he said the Bolshevik Revolution was largely Jewish?
	Were most of the revolutionaries Jewish?
	I think many were.
	My publisher has a book that's supposed to be a sequel to Sutton's book.
	So Anthony Sutton wrote the famous books Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution.
	And then he has this follow-up book that's about the Bolsheviks and the Bolsheviks by Dr. Richard Spence, not Richard Spencer, different guy.
	Dr. Richard Spence, who I've done some interviews with.
	He actually is a historian in this arena, and he has a good book answering exactly just that question.
	So I would recommend his book at Trine Day, which is my publisher.
	And I can tell you that Dr. E. Michael Jones would say yes to that.
	And I hope to get Dr. Jones.
	He's the most based Catholic that I know.
	Okay, Leanne Trigthe donates $10.
	He says, it's fascinating to see your transition from picking up women to picking up the Bible.
	God bless Rush.
	Keep it up.
	Thank you.
	Nonymis Jones donates $5.
	He says, God bless you both.
	My church still celebrated Pasca.
	It is R O A C. What are your thoughts on R O A C?
	I don't like the true, the term true orthodox.
	Yeah, again, I have covered this many, many times over.
	I don't, there's an article at orthochristian.com that I would recommend, and it's about how those kinds of schismatic groups are utilized by the State Department, just like the schismatics in the Ukraine.
	So that's what I would say.
	Go read that article.
	Okay, Mark says, does Jay believe that the pre-modernist era popes have sincere here sincere in their opposition to Freemasonry?
	I think he meant R.
	That is a debatable question.
	Maybe to a degree, I would recommend Michael Hoffman's book, Occult Renaissance Church of Rome.
	Hoffman is a trad Catholic, and he covers that topic from the trad Catholic perspective, and he gives a little more nuanced view than the sort of standard trad cat Paradigm that, oh, the popes are fighting all the Freemasons.
	He's a little more nuanced than he says.
	Maybe there was actually corruption in the papacy before Vatican II, which I find that to be more convincing.
	So I would say read Hoffman's book.
	All right, Jay, we're almost done.
	Andrew Summers donates $2.
	He says, thoughts on C.S. Lewis.
	I'm a big fan of C.S. Lewis.
	I've become more of a fan of him now that I've been into Orthodoxy pretty seriously.
	His conception of hell and heaven is closer to the Orthodox conception if you read The Great Divorce.
	I like the Space Trilogy, what I've read of it.
	Narnia, I've always liked Narnia.
	Not a huge fan of his commentaries on the Bible.
	His take on the Psalms is pretty cucked, so I wouldn't recommend that.
	But he's good in many other ways.
	Okay, Mark David Chapman said, this was the guy talking about confirmation earlier.
	He says, I was raised Presbyterian.
	We went to churches.
	Dude, you have to be a little bit more clear than that.
	Okay, Sergeant Goy donated a couple bucks.
	Thank you.
	Red Pill Medic says, Jay and Roosh, any spiritual warfare stories?
	Oh, asking us at the end of a three-hour stream.
	I don't know if, Jay, you have any energy left?
	If there's a story that you're going to be talking about, go watch a video that I did a week ago on my bad LSD trip.
	So I got to, I had a demonic kind of experience that I recount in that video.
	And I actually just on Monday posted my psychedelic mushroom experience that I had a year ago.
	So if you want to read that, you can go to my own site.
	Okay, Daniel Thornton, Roosh, please don't cover up the bricks with wallpaper.
	Yeah, it's not.
	This is the real, this is the real brick.
	Oh, that hurts.
	See, because it's bricks.
	It's not wallpaper over a wall.
	You look like you're going to do stand-up at like okay.
	Soy Juice donates 25 Polish Zwote.
	He says, why do smart guys like Cernovich and Richard Spencer believe in corona?
	Also, how do they, referring to the elites, manage to show so many sick, dying people on TV, actors?
	So I can't speak for Cernovich or Richard Spencer, but Jay, how do they, is this, is all the nursing, is the, you know, people in the sick beds, is that fake?
	I would say that it's exaggerated, is my take.
	I've not been able to confirm exactly or deny exactly what is going on with the numbers.
	I don't trust authority appeals on the number, just trust these numbers on some screen, some world website tracker.
	I don't know.
	I don't have any claim to what exactly is going on and to what degree it's real and fake or exaggerated.
	So I presented in my stream all three possibilities.
	And, you know, it's up to you, I guess, to decide what you think is going on.
	But I think that there could be it's possible that there's something that was being transmitted or was engineered and it's just hyped up to be something that is way beyond.
	I think they've gone crazy with the hype.
	I mean, even the UK government just said a few days ago that it's not even, it's not even the level of a pandemic anymore.
	Okay, last question is from Eugen.
	He donates five pounds.
	He says, was Saint Cyril right to expel the Jews from Alexandria?
	Yes.
	That's actually covered in this book as well.
	So if you want to, I would say read the John McGuckin book.
	It's the best serial book I've read.
	Okay, and last super chat is Roman Taylor says, please make me a mod so I can ban the bots from chat.
	God bless you.
	Christ is risen indeed.
	Anyone wanting to learn about or debate Orthodoxy, please come to Jay's Discord server.
	Okay, Jay, we're done.
	So, Jay, I wanted to thank you for taking so much time.
	I hope you saw by the questions.
	I try to get your life's work out of you.
	You know, just try to get all that you have come to know, come to understand, because a lot of the plebes, and I consider myself such a plebe.
	You know, we are just connecting the dots.
	We don't, we still have a lot of work to do.
	But thank you for coming on.
	Is there any final comment that you wanted to make?
	No, thank you.
	I appreciate it.
	I've learned from your streams and from Return of Kings and from your articles and essays over the years and your books.
	So, thank you.
	Thanks for having me.
	And if everybody wants to subscribe to Jay's Analysis to support my work, you can subscribe to my channel or you get signed copies of my book at my website.
	Yeah, so I have links to Jay's YouTube channel and his website down below.
	Click on it, support this man, because we need more men like him who are speaking the truth, even though he may try to convert me to Eastern Orthodoxy at some point.
	That's okay.
	We don't have to agree 100%, but I think you can see that if you're following Christ and you're pursuing the truth, we can still have a lot of common ground.
	So, I hope that you know, maybe Jay in the future they will consider this the eighth ecumenical council.
	And we are bringing Orthodox and everything's online, so yeah, right.
	But we still Eucharist is online now.
	Why can't Ecumenical Council and we and we still love our Catholics and our Protestants too?
	So, you know, everyone is on a different spiritual path.
	And I pray that we all find the one holy Catholic and apostolic church.
	So, thank you, Jay, again, for taking the time.
	I hope that you can come on again, or if you want me to come on your show.
	I mean, we have to have these talks.
	I think in the future, if you come on, I'd want to drill down on this specific topic because this was the overall big picture that I think I wanted to introduce people to you and who didn't know you.
	So, I will definitely promote this video in the future.
	Thank you again, Jay, and thank you for everyone who came in the super chat.
	God bless and good night.
	All right, God bless.

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