The StoneZONE - Roger Stone - Fmr. Gov. Rod Blagojevich | 05-08-26
Aired: 2026-05-09
Duration: 16:26


=== Obama's Unfair Treatment (14:47) ===

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[00:00:42]  Welcome to The Stone Zone.
[00:00:44]  Tonight, I thought we'd go right to straight from the shoulder politics and bring in what we used to call an old-time Democrat.
[00:00:52]  This is more of a JFK, Harry Truman Democrat, a modern Democrat who I think was very unfairly treated.
[00:01:01]  But he came up the chairs.
[00:01:02]  He was the assistant state's attorney for Cook County, Illinois.
[00:01:06]  Served in the state legislature in 1996, was elected to the U.S. Congress, and then he became the first Democrat governor elected in Illinois in 26 years.
[00:01:16]  I believe that he was railroaded to a long prison sentence from which President Donald Trump ultimately gave him a full and unconditional pardon, for which I advocated and was paid nothing for those folks over at Reuters.
[00:01:31]  But I'm proud to have my friend Rod Bogojevich with me because his story is a story of grit and redemption.
[00:01:41]  And faith.
[00:01:43]  All he was guilty of was politics.
[00:01:46]  It outrages me to this day that he was convicted in a trial in which the principal evidence against him, wiretap conversations, were not allowed to be played in court.
[00:01:57]  At the same time, he was denied Barack Obama's FBI 302, which you're supposed to have all evidence against you, but that's still sealed by the Department of Justice.
[00:02:10]  I'm hopeful that the president, that Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanch will do something about that.
[00:02:16]  I believe he will.
[00:02:18]  And let's get to the bottom of this case.
[00:02:19]  Let's bring the man on himself, Governor Rob Luglovich.
[00:02:22]  Governor, how are you this evening?
[00:02:24]  I'm doing great, Rogers.
[00:02:25]  Thanks for having me on.
[00:02:26]  And I have to say that among the many great things that have happened to me since the new beginning I was given by President Trump when he commuted my sentence, and then pardon me, is I've gotten to know you.
[00:02:36]  And, you know, I never really knew you, of course, while I was, you know, before I got out of prison.
[00:02:42]  But there I was in prison watching you on television.
[00:02:45]  When they did to you what they did to me, and they went to your house with SWAT teams and arrested you early in the morning.
[00:02:50]  And there you were defiant and strong, and it did the Nixon thing.
[00:02:54]  And it was love at first sight from my point of view for you, Roger, because as you know, I've long admired President Nixon.
[00:03:00]  Well, I mean, look, you are a fighter, and you are in the tradition of an old time Democrat.
[00:03:05]  You also casually admit that you strongly supported President Trump's reelection.
[00:03:11]  I mean, people don't really realize if the president at first commuted your sentence, Which left you no longer had to ending the eight years incarceration, eight hard years in prison, for refusing essentially an order by Barack Obama to replace Valerie Jarrett, who may or may not be a foreign asset in the U.S. Senate.
[00:03:32]  And that's the real crime that they send you to prison for.
[00:03:35]  I've studied this case extraordinarily, and that's why I think Obama's comments in this interview may be interesting to you.
[00:03:41]  They're a little long, but let's roll them.
[00:03:45]  We're waiting for an extraordinary.
[00:03:48]  Situation in which Barack Obama, speaking to CBS, said that essentially the Department of Justice shouldn't be weaponized and the Attorney General should not act essentially as a hitman for the President, which is just, to my opinion, Governor, I don't know what you think, that has to be the greatest single hypocrisy in American history.
[00:04:08]  Yes, it is, and it's just another example of projection.
[00:04:11]  In other words, Obama is projecting onto others what he himself does and what the people around him have done to.
[00:04:18]  To the magnitude never before seen in American history.
[00:04:21]  And the whole idea of weaponization and lawfare and undoing the will of the people by the abuse of the justice system and bringing criminal prosecutions against political rivals, which is what the Biden administration did to President Trump and what other Democrats did in other places like New York and Georgia and Jack Smith and the case with the documents.
[00:04:43]  All of this is part and parcel of the seeds that were planted by Obama.
[00:04:48]  And I believe it started with my case.
[00:04:50]  You know, the whole thing began, my issues, when Obama sent an emissary to me on election night, November 2008.
[00:04:57]  I was a Democratic governor.
[00:04:58]  I was the first Democratic governor to endorse Obama.
[00:05:00]  I've known him since 1995.
[00:05:02]  We came up together in Chicago politics.
[00:05:05]  I have to say, I was very good to him, did a lot of favors for him.
[00:05:08]  And so he wanted to make a political deal.
[00:05:11]  And we talked about what kind of deal we could make to criminalize it against me.
[00:05:14]  I went to the big house for eight years.
[00:05:16]  Obama went to the White House for eight years and then, you know, made a deal with those FBI agents and the prosecutors.
[00:05:23]  And part of it, a lot of the truth is there in those FBI 302s, 13 pages of them.
[00:05:28]  They talked to Obama, I think, the day after I was arrested.
[00:05:31]  And to this day, those 302s, first of all, they were never given to my defense team, which I was entitled to, but they're redacted.
[00:05:37]  Every word in those 13 pages is blacked out.
[00:05:41]  And I think it's important for the American people to know what exactly he said to the FBI the day after I was arrested.
[00:05:48]  Just the hotspot here.
[00:05:50]  Can we tee up Obama at this point?
[00:05:52]  Well, there are a couple that.
[00:05:56]  I followed, even though they weren't law.
[00:06:00]  And I want us, we're going to have to do some work to return to this basic norm, and we probably now have to codify it.
[00:06:08]  The White House shouldn't be able to direct the Attorney General to go around prosecuting whoever wants to prosecute.
[00:06:16]  Right, because technically it's under the executive branch.
[00:06:18]  Technically, the norm is that it's independent.
[00:06:21]  The idea is that the Attorney General is the people's lawyer, it's not the president's consigliere.
[00:06:28]  Right, even when it's Bobby Kennedy.
[00:06:30]  It's Bobby Kennedy.
[00:06:32]  And so, two of the core principles of a democracy we can survive a lot bad policy, funky elections.
[00:06:45]  There's a bunch of stuff that we can overcome.
[00:06:50]  We can't overcome the politicization of the criminal justice system, the awesome power of the state.
[00:06:58]  You can't have a situation in which whoever's in charge of the government starts using that to go after their political enemies or reward their friends, right?
[00:07:09]  So, another power, maybe I'd say, would.
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[00:07:47]  I mean, that is really what we call chutzpah.
[00:07:50]  Here is a guy who helmed a seditious conspiracy that began in the Oval Office with all the conspirators, including Sleepy Joe Biden and National Security Director Susan Rice, the CIA Director and Islamic convert John Brennan, the FBI Director James Comey.
[00:08:12]  The acting attorney general, Rod Rosenstein, and they planned to put in place what they meant, and it was now proven in the documents released by Tulsi Gabbard.
[00:08:23]  They began a seditious conspiracy in which they used evidence they knew was not legitimate the so called SEAL dossier and the claim that the Democrat National Committee had been the subject of an online hack, which is a total fiction as the rationale to trigger a special prosecutor in order to bring Donald Trump down.
[00:08:43]  And they knew it was.
[00:08:44]  fraudulent and they got busted.
[00:08:46]  That's who's lecturing you now about abuse of power.
[00:08:50]  That's the greatest single dirty trick in American political history.
[00:08:54]  These people actually planned to unseat a successor because the election didn't go their way.
[00:09:01]  It was a coup d'etat and they got caught.
[00:09:04]  As far as presidents using attorney generals, President John Adams directed his attorney general to make prosecutions, as did JFK, as did FDR, as did Abraham Lincoln.
[00:09:16]  He's the chief executive, but he's also the chief law enforcement officer, and he has constitutional jurisdiction as an executive branch of the department over the Department of Justice.
[00:09:29]  That is not to say it should be abused for political purposes, but look, I know, for example, that Richard Nixon lost to John Kennedy in 1960.
[00:09:40]  In 1961 and 1962, he came up both years for a random federal tax audit.
[00:09:47]  How likely do you think it is that that was likely?
[00:09:51]  No, Roger, what you're saying is absolutely right.
[00:09:54]  Look, I listened to Obama.
[00:09:55]  It's maddening.
[00:09:56]  I mean, that's breathtaking hypocrisy.
[00:09:58]  And he's lucky that breathtaking hypocrisy is not a crime because he'd get a life sentence.
[00:10:04]  The amazing part of that is the chutzpah, you're right, that he would actually point at Trump when what they did to him, what they did to Trump, even before Trump was sworn in, that interregnum, that period after Trump beat Hillary in 2016 and was sworn in in January, the 20th of January, 2017.
[00:10:22]  Obama and his people, Clapper, all those people were involved in conjuring up this fake Russian collusion thing.
[00:10:28]  And that was an attempted coup d'etat.
[00:10:29]  Now, that's a crime.
[00:10:31]  And that's the sort of thing that the new president, the current president, has a responsibility and a duty to look into.
[00:10:37]  Because this is exactly the sort of thing that will destroy our freedoms.
[00:10:41]  And so when Obama talks like that, it's almost like, you know, he's pretending not to be Putin when it's the kind of stuff Putin would do.
[00:10:48]  I don't really understand whether progressive Democrats who have clearly taken control of the machinery of the Democrat Party.
[00:10:55]  the progressives slash socialists, think that I don't see the appeal, I don't see their platform, I don't see the argument they're making.
[00:11:01]  We know they hate Trump.
[00:11:03]  We understand that.
[00:11:03]  We know that they aren't that patriotic, that they'd like to fundamentally change America.
[00:11:13]  I think America's pretty damn great the way it is.
[00:11:15]  If everybody obeyed the law, it'd be even better, particularly if everybody obeyed the Constitution.
[00:11:21]  But the arrogance of these people to think that voters are so stupid that we've forgotten that they spied on the President of the United States.
[00:11:29]  We thought that they would forget that they abused the FISA courts.
[00:11:34]  I think we would forget that they essentially fabricated evidence to frame a president, and then they weaponized with partisan Democrats the four prosecutors.
[00:11:45]  Every prosecutor in my case had worked for Hillary Clinton, every one of them had a motive.
[00:11:51]  And when my lawyers pointed out that the prosecutor in my case had represented Hillary Clinton herself in the Clinton Foundation in the famous fight over her emails, she should have been immediately fired, and the judge ruled that it was.
[00:12:08]  Not a conflict, if you can believe such a thing.
[00:12:12]  So that's who pursued, that was my pursuit.
[00:12:15]  This woman had all the charm of a North Korean prison guard, let me tell you.
[00:12:21]  So look, Roger, we've both been on the wrong end of weaponization and lawfare.
[00:12:26]  President Trump's been on the wrong end of that in an unprecedented way, what they did to him.
[00:12:31]  And most of the American people saw through it.
[00:12:33]  Half the country, of course, is so divided, and no matter how obvious certain things are, there are just some people, these Democrats, and other people who hate Trump are never going to allow themselves to try to objectively stay away from this.
[00:12:45]  But this isn't a Democrat issue.
[00:12:46]  It's not a Republican issue.
[00:12:48]  This is an American issue.
[00:12:49]  This goes to the very heart of our freedoms in a country that's all about self-government, our right to choose our leaders in elections that are free and fair, and not have these unelected bureaucrats with fancy law degrees and uncontrolled power and unlimited resources have the ability to undo the will of the people by going after the elected president of the United States or the leading candidate from the other party, the opposition party, which is what happened to Trump the second time around.
[00:13:14]  The first time was after he had won.
[00:13:16]  They did this twice to Trump.
[00:13:17]  And it would be wrong of President Trump, and I know he's going to do the right thing.
[00:13:21]  He's already doing it.
[00:13:22]  And his administration, a little bit late, but they're beginning to gin up and develop the momentum that's necessary to do what they have to do.
[00:13:30]  If we're going to save our country and save our democracy, this isn't vengeance.
[00:13:33]  This isn't the use of the Justice Department to go after your political enemies.
[00:13:37]  This is holding those people who've done that accountable for having done that.
[00:13:42]  They're the ones who are threatening our freedoms and our democracy.
[00:13:45]  And if we don't stop it, And make an example of them and bring them to account, we're going to lose our democracy.
[00:13:51]  Because what's going to happen is one party does it, then the next party wins, they do it, and it's going to be an endless stream of this building up and getting worse and worse, and suddenly we're no longer the United States, we're Russia or China or Iran.
[00:14:06]  Extremely well put.
[00:14:07]  I want to thank our guest, Governor Rob Dagoivich.
[00:14:11]  Rob Dagoivich came up through the chairs of the Cook County machine, but he was also, as he told me many times, a great.
[00:14:17]  Meyer of Richard Nixon.
[00:14:19]  He actually met Richard Nixon.
[00:14:21]  He's a Democrat governor who never raised taxes on the working class families of Illinois.
[00:14:26]  It's an anomaly.
[00:14:27]  J.B. Prisker wanted to get to him today, but that's a big, big subject, if you know what I mean.
[00:14:33]  And therefore, we won't be able to kick it around.
[00:14:36]  But unfortunately, another police officer has been killed in Prisker's, Illinois.
[00:14:40]  It is really a tragedy.
[00:14:42]  It really is a horrific tragedy.
[00:14:44]  Thanks to Rod for joining us.
[00:14:46]  Thank you, Roger.
[00:14:46]  Appreciate it.

=== The Stone Zone Returns (01:37) ===

[00:14:48]  Listening to the Stone Zone, when we get back, I think John Brennan may be in the hot seat.
[00:14:53]  John Brennan is, of course, the CIA director, was one of the major orchestrators of the Russian collusion hoax.
[00:15:00]  He slipped it into the footnotes of the president's intelligence briefing so that he could justify and rationalize FISA warrants in a special counsel that he knew was unwarranted based on false information, but based on information that had already been debunked.
[00:15:19]  But we'll talk about that when we get right back.
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