The StoneZONE - Roger Stone - The Stone Zone | 10-02-25
Aired: 2025-10-03
Duration: 41:22


=== Probable Cause Revealed (13:06) ===

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[00:00:31]  For today's show, I'm particularly proud to have a very good friend of mine, James O'Keefe, who is an American investigative journalist.
[00:00:40]  He, of course, was the founder of Project Veritas.
[00:00:43]  His current organization, the O'Keeffe Media Group, setting the world on fire.
[00:00:48]  O'Keefe really is the man who pioneered the whole art of undercover recorded audio and video encounters with academics, governmental and social service organizations and individuals exposing fraud, malfeasance, and illegality by many in the deep state.
[00:01:08]  James O'Keefe has been my friend so long.
[00:01:12]  Laura Loomer was a blonde when we first met.
[00:01:14]  That's how long it's been.
[00:01:16]  Back in the days when he started his organization in Westchester, right outside of New York City.
[00:01:23]  And we've been friends through thick and thin.
[00:01:25]  I supported him when he was falsely acclused of misconduct in Louisiana, and he certainly supported me when I was targeted by the deep state.
[00:01:35]  But we share one more important thing in common, and that is we've both been raided by the FBI.
[00:01:42]  It's even more egregious, I think, in his case, because James O'Keefe is a journalist and a legitimate one.
[00:01:49]  Some in the mainstream media don't like his form of journalism, but it is fair and it is honest.
[00:01:58]  They really don't like it because it's exposed them.
[00:02:01]  James, welcome into the Stone Zone.
[00:02:05]  Thank you, Roger, for having me, and I appreciate it.
[00:02:09]  So let's, I've talked on the show many times about my own experience of having my home stormed at 6 a.m. by 29 fully SWAT-clad FBI agents in full SWAT gear, wearing night goggles, brandishing fully automatic M4 assault weapons.
[00:02:30]  A raid, by the way, that cost the American taxpayers $1.1 million.
[00:02:35]  They arrived in 17 armored vehicles, two amphibious units, a helicopter, all for little old me.
[00:02:44]  An absurdity because, of course, they knew that I had no valid passport.
[00:02:51]  They knew that I had no weapon.
[00:02:54]  I'm a supporter of the Second Amendment, but I did not have a gun in the house.
[00:02:58]  And of course, famously, CNN was 25 feet from my front door, having been tipped off by Andrew Weissman, the de facto special counsel.
[00:03:09]  But in your case, this pertained to Ashley Biden's diary, something that you actually never publicized or ran with.
[00:03:19]  So walk my audience through this, if you would.
[00:03:23]  Thank you, Roger.
[00:03:24]  Yeah, and thank you for coming on the Price is My Life podcast to talk about your situation.
[00:03:29]  This is a crazy dynamic with what happened between me and the FBI, Biden's FBI Justice Department in 2021.
[00:03:39]  This was a document that was sent to me belonging to the daughter of the president.
[00:03:45]  Ashley Biden is her name.
[00:03:46]  People know about Hunter Biden.
[00:03:48]  He also has a daughter named Ashley who struggles with drug addiction.
[00:03:52]  So when she was in a halfway house in Florida, Delray, Florida, in her late 30s, she authored this diary that she abandoned in the halfway house.
[00:04:04]  It was found by the next tenant who decided to tip it off to us.
[00:04:11]  We paid for the rights to this document and obtained it.
[00:04:18]  And the FBI executed a search warrant a year later on my property, armed FBI agents at gunpoint, confiscated my phones.
[00:04:28]  And because I'm a journalist, this was a constitutional crisis.
[00:04:32]  Long story short, four years later, now we're in February of 2025, present day, they dropped the case against me.
[00:04:43]  They never indicted me or even charged me, but they said there were no criminal issues.
[00:04:48]  And they released the affidavit, which shows the probable cause.
[00:04:52]  That's the justification for the raid.
[00:04:54]  And we're all waiting with bated breath to see what that probable cause was.
[00:04:58]  Well, they redacted every single word of that probable cause.
[00:05:03]  It's entirely redacted.
[00:05:05]  So it's just an incredible constitutional crisis and egregious because it implicates the First Amendment in an unprecedented way.
[00:05:15]  The FBI has never raided a newsroom before they did this to Project Veritas.
[00:05:21]  It really is extraordinary.
[00:05:22]  I've had that shared experience again.
[00:05:25]  When I went to trial in the District of Columbia, my lawyers wanted the fully unredacted final report of Special Counsel Robert Mueller.
[00:05:34]  The Constitution says that when you're accused of a crime, you're entitled to see all of the evidence against you.
[00:05:40]  But the judge denied that to us at trial.
[00:05:44]  She also denied the famous crowd strikes memo.
[00:05:47]  That was the report from the third-party IT firm who'd been brought in by the Democrat National Committee to supposedly inspect their servers, which allegedly said that the DNC had been the target of an online hack by Russian intelligence.
[00:06:05]  In fact, it didn't say that at all.
[00:06:07]  Anyway, until BuzzFeed, of all people, sued the Department of Justice, that report, which exonerates me, was redacted for more than two years.
[00:06:19]  Once it was finally unredacted, and of course, BuzzFeed thought it would embarrass me.
[00:06:23]  It did the exact opposite.
[00:06:25]  Only then did I learn that Robert Mueller couldn't sugarcoat the fact that he found no evidence of Russian collusion, no evidence of WikiLeaks collaboration.
[00:06:35]  And in fact, he went so far as to say he couldn't find any other crime, which is why they invented this crime of lying under oath in my voluntary testimony of the House Intelligence Committee.
[00:06:47]  I'm not surprised.
[00:06:48]  I also know that when I, in writing my next book, which is about the attempted assassination of Ronald Reagan, I got 32 different documents from the government, over 190 pages, of which there are actually 19 words, you can see.
[00:07:04]  The rest of it is completely and totally redacted.
[00:07:08]  I think we both understand.
[00:07:09]  I said it at the time.
[00:07:11]  The FBI was acting as Joe Biden's Gestapo, and they had no probable cause to raid your home other than the fact that you, as a journalist, had obtained information that was highly embarrassing to Joe Biden.
[00:07:25]  Yeah, I mean, it's crazy.
[00:07:27]  And the only rational explanation I can think of, Roger, for the redactions in my case was there were confidential FBI informants at Project Veritas.
[00:07:37]  Their intelligence community is implicated somehow, and they need to protect their sources and methods, much like they may have to do in a case involving Epstein.
[00:07:48]  just can't show certain things because it would implicate the system and how it operates.
[00:07:53]  But again, in my case, and only perhaps in my case, you had groups like the American Civil Liberties Union and liberal groups, left-wing groups even, dissented Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press following amicus in my case because they were just shocked that these types of methods could be used against a newsroom.
[00:08:16]  People don't remember this, but the Obama Justice Department basically wiretapped and surveilled James Rosen, who was the White House correspondence for Fox at the time.
[00:08:29]  Yes, they did.
[00:08:31]  Now with Newsmax.
[00:08:33]  That fact gets forgotten entirely.
[00:08:37]  And we now know definitively that they did, in fact, spy on Donald Trump's campaign.
[00:08:43]  They had no real probable cause.
[00:08:45]  They invented it, the so-called Steele dossier, the report paid for by Hillary Clinton that alleged that Donald Trump had frolicked with Russian prostitutes while visiting Moscow as a private businessman, a complete fabrication, a total fabrication.
[00:09:02]  And they knew it was a fabrication, but they still used it as a rationale for the warrants that allowed them to spy on Donald Trump's campaign.
[00:09:11]  This is a little before your time, but Richard Nixon went down over the allegations that he was spying on the Democrats and that his underlings had broken into the Democrat National Committee.
[00:09:24]  I would say that what Obama did to James Rosen, what Biden did to you as journalists, is actually far, far more egregious.
[00:09:37]  Yet you have stuck with it, and I think you have broken some of the biggest and most important exposés in American political history.
[00:09:47]  I'm particularly interested in the work you have done exposing the fraud of ACT Blue.
[00:09:53]  Now, ActBlue is a payment processing company that works exclusively for liberal and Democrat sources.
[00:10:03]  And through ACT Blue, Democrat candidates for the U.S. Senate and the New York Attorney General, Letitia James, have raised literally millions and millions of dollars.
[00:10:16]  The problem for them is that when you go visit these individual donors at their doorstep, the ones that will talk to you, because in this atmosphere, of course, a lot of people will not open the door to a stranger.
[00:10:29]  But when you talk to those donors and you show them a spreadsheet of all their donations, you find a very high percentage of them.
[00:10:38]  In the case of Letitia James, where this work is being done right now, about 70% of her donors say they have no idea who she is, and they did not give the donations that are attributed to her.
[00:10:50]  A group in Western New York, a citizens action group, a nonprofit doing this work, got a cease and desist letter from the New York Attorney General in her official capacity as Attorney General.
[00:11:01]  In other words, citizens, stop investigating the illegal campaign fundraising of the Attorney General.
[00:11:07]  Who says so?
[00:11:08]  The New York Attorney General.
[00:11:10]  Unbelievable.
[00:11:12]  Yeah, we did stories after I left Veritas and I started OMG.
[00:11:19]  We got a handful of donors who gave small amounts to ActBlue, but when ActBlue reported the donations to the Federal Elections Commission, something didn't add up.
[00:11:28]  We spoke to this woman, Nancy Dunan, a retiree from Maryland, who says she only donated a couple hundred dollars to ActBlue.
[00:11:35]  And then ACBLU claims she has donated a total of 2,000 times in 2023 alone.
[00:11:41]  That's $16,000.
[00:11:45]  Another older guy in Maryland says there's no way he gave ACLU $230,000 in the last four years.
[00:11:52]  So we confronted these people.
[00:11:55]  It was probably the biggest story ever in the history of politics, and there was just crickets.
[00:12:00]  It's actually a mystery about where the money comes from.
[00:12:03]  Some people say it comes overseas from a European billionaire.
[00:12:08]  But I was kind of shocked at how so few people actually seem to care about this.
[00:12:15]  Matt Gates sent a letter to ACLU.
[00:12:18]  But I've also been told it could be credit card fraud and stripe may be involved.
[00:12:24]  But this is a big story, but yet Trump still won the election in 2024 anyway.
[00:12:31]  Well, I think that there's some divine intervention.
[00:12:34]  I know you have referred your reporting to James Comer of the House Oversight Committee.
[00:12:39]  I also know it's been referred to the Department of Justice.
[00:12:42]  Once again, sadly, there has been no action.
[00:12:45]  This is a recurring theme.
[00:12:47]  It's starting to upset many of the president's supporters.
[00:12:50]  Telsi Gabbard, who is someone I admire quite a bit, I'm extremely impressed with, has now declassified documents that prove definitively this is not investigative journalism, it's not conjecture, it's not supposition.

=== Epstein CIA Asset Revelations (07:00) ===

[00:13:07]  She's provided hard, irrefutable evidence that there was a seditious conspiracy to take down Donald Trump, that it was born in a July 17th, 2017 meeting in the Oval Office chaired by Barack Obama himself.
[00:13:23]  Joe Biden was there.
[00:13:25]  Susan Rice, the National Security Advisor, was there.
[00:13:28]  John Brennan, the CIA director, was there.
[00:13:31]  James Comey, who's been in the news quite a bit lately, was there.
[00:13:36]  James Clapper, then Director of National Intelligence, was there.
[00:13:41]  There were others.
[00:13:43]  Yet, to my knowledge, there's not yet a single warrant, not a single subpoena.
[00:13:50]  No one has seized the electronic devices of those people as they seized James O'Keefe's devices, as they seized mine.
[00:13:59]  There's been no early morning raid.
[00:14:02]  It's really quite egregious.
[00:14:03]  When we come back, when we come back, I'm going to ask James why he thinks there has been no action and what does need to happen.
[00:14:10]  You're listening to The Stone Zone with me, Roger Stone, and my special guest, James O'Keefe, who is the head of the O'Keeffe Media Group, head of the once legendary Project Veritas, but now knocking him dead over at O'Keeffe Media.
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[00:15:38]  You're still in the Stone Zone.
[00:15:40]  We're talking to James O'Keefe with the O'Keeffe Media Group.
[00:15:43]  James, before we get to that broader question, you had a stunning report recently with a former DOJ official that you caught on camera stating that Epstein was a CIA asset and that the administration is protecting powerful people other than Trump.
[00:16:00]  That is completely and totally consistent with my book, The Clinton's War on Women, where the longest chapter in the book is chapter seven, Orgy Island.
[00:16:13]  I did a deep dive on Epstein.
[00:16:15]  I come up with the same conclusion.
[00:16:17]  Steve Hoffenberg, who was Epstein's boss during the tower financial crisis, who was a source for my book, told me from the beginning that Epstein was an asset for the CIA.
[00:16:31]  Tell us quickly about this report, and then we'll come back and take on the broader question.
[00:16:36]  Thank you, Roger.
[00:16:37]  Yeah, this was a senior DOJ Epstein investigator who worked as a W-2 employee for DOJ in 2007, 2009.
[00:16:46]  He remained on as an independent contractor, but he said that Epstein was CIA, and he said the rapes occurred when Bill Clinton was on the planes.
[00:16:55]  And he said of President Trump, he's not protecting himself because there's nothing there, but there are other people that he may know that are on that list.
[00:17:04]  So what's interesting about this is, you know, it doesn't surprise anybody when people say these things, but it came from the mouth of the guy who actually interviewed the Epstein victims on Palm Beach Island.
[00:17:14]  He says, quote, I've interviewed the victims.
[00:17:15]  There's never been an instance where Trump was on the plane with these kids when the rapes occurred, but that can't be said for Clinton.
[00:17:23]  And he said the DOJ didn't want to go after Epstein because he's an asset for the United States and Israel.
[00:17:29]  And it's soon to come out that Epstein was a CIA informant.
[00:17:32]  This, Roger, was like a massive story a week ago.
[00:17:37]  The DOJ put out three statements.
[00:17:40]  They were not happy that I was exposing this.
[00:17:43]  And this continues to be a very, in my opinion, non-political issue.
[00:17:48]  It's just power and cover-ups.
[00:17:51]  And people, this was recorded on an airplane.
[00:17:54]  Someone sent it to me.
[00:17:56]  I did not set out to target this guy.
[00:17:59]  People dropped recordings off me all the time, and then we corroborated it.
[00:18:02]  Turns out he was who he said he was, and we published it.
[00:18:05]  Yeah, this was a blockbuster story.
[00:18:08]  Of course, it did not get the media coverage that it deserved, but you have answered the question that so many people are asking.
[00:18:16]  I know, I can tell you how many times Donald Trump was on Epstein's plane because his wife at the time, Marlon Maples, and his daughter Tiffany and a nanny was with them.
[00:18:27]  And that flight went from Teterboro, which is in New Jersey outside of New York City, to Palm Beach on a Friday, returning on a Sunday.
[00:18:36]  And this was prior to Donald Trump completely and totally cutting Epstein off in 2005.
[00:18:43]  And that's prior to Epstein being exposed as a pedophile, as a sex criminal.
[00:18:48]  He cut Epstein off much earlier than the Clintons, who continued to not only socialize with Epstein, but to take millions of dollars for him for the Clinton Global Initiative and the Clinton Foundation.
[00:19:02]  So I think James O'Keefe and O'Keefe Media have answered the question that so many people are asking, which is, why are they covering up for Epstein?
[00:19:12]  The answer is he was an asset.
[00:19:14]  You heard it here in the Stone Zone with our guest, James O'Keefe.
[00:19:18]  James, when we come back, we'll talk a little more about Epstein.
[00:19:21]  I also want to hear about this event you have coming up, the Citizens Journalist Gala.
[00:19:27]  I want to hear more about that.
[00:19:29]  You're tuned into the Stone Zone here in the Red Apple Audio Networks talking to James O'Keefe, the great James O'Keefe, and we'll be right back.
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[00:19:48]  Welcome back.
[00:19:50]  You're back in the Stone Zone.
[00:19:53]  I'm talking to James O'Keefe, who is, of course, the founder of Project Veritas, now with the O'Keeffe Media Group, where he continues to break major stories and merit enormous headlines.

=== Pfizer's Corruption Exposed (12:11) ===

[00:20:07]  Not as big as we would like, but he's fearless in his pursuit of the truth.
[00:20:12]  He's also, by the way, an incredibly good dancer and singer.
[00:20:16]  I saw him in the musical Oklahoma, so he's multi-talented, to say the least.
[00:20:22]  I tried to go to your event recently, but the music was so ear-splitting, James, I couldn't quite take it.
[00:20:28]  I'm an old guy, but you are extraordinarily talented.
[00:20:31]  I congratulate you for that.
[00:20:34]  And my dad was an actor.
[00:20:36]  He was in a number of musicals off Broadway, Guys and Dolls and Lil Abner.
[00:20:42]  It's a very difficult thing to do.
[00:20:44]  You have to memorize the whole part, and you have to have the fundamental talent that you have.
[00:20:50]  So I wanted to mention how much I enjoyed that.
[00:20:52]  It was extraordinary.
[00:20:54]  Thank you.
[00:20:55]  It's artistic.
[00:20:57]  Journalism is a form of storytelling.
[00:20:59]  So there's kind of an overlap there in the sense of telling a story, piecing it together, and presenting it with narration and music.
[00:21:05]  It's part of the process.
[00:21:08]  One of your most hard-hitting releases, I think, in your entire career was when you caught a Pfizer employee admitting that the pharmaceutical giant was engaged in dangerous game of function type experiments regarding vaccinations.
[00:21:22]  This week, President Trump announced that he was partnering with Pfizer on a project to lower pharmaceutical costs, and he praised a lot of their vaccination work.
[00:21:32]  I myself disagreed with the second part of that.
[00:21:36]  In your opinion, is it likely that President Trump negotiated certain concessions out of Pfizer, or is Pfizer exerting its influence over the administration?
[00:21:48]  Oh, that's a good question.
[00:21:50]  I mean, probably exerting some influence because there's, in my experience, has been a revolving door between people at these companies and groups like the FDA.
[00:22:02]  So there are probably people in the administrative state.
[00:22:04]  Some call it the deep state.
[00:22:06]  It doesn't necessarily have to be as nefarious as that, but people playing the influence game, which is as American as apple pie.
[00:22:14]  At least I've done some stories on the FDA where I saw officials just go into the government from Pfizer, but I haven't looked into this particular deal.
[00:22:22]  The story you're referring to, which Bobby Kennedy even said was at the time was an enormously important story because it showed just how corrupt and even criminal Pfizer was acting in 2023 when their executive senior director of mRNA Scientific Planning said they were planning on mutating the COVID virus and experimenting on monkeys in China and it was born in a Chinese lab,
[00:22:50]  this virus, and the product wasn't good for their customers.
[00:22:55]  It was just designed to make them money.
[00:22:57]  This was a huge story, so big that a week later I was removed from the organization I founded, which there'll be more information about that coming out soon.
[00:23:07]  But Roger, I don't know in this particular case.
[00:23:09]  I just know that there's a lot of overlap and I'm sure there's some undue influence.
[00:23:15]  Well, I point out that Robert Kennedy, who is someone that I've become very friendly with, who I admire very much as a man of courage and a man of integrity, says that this arrangement between the government and Pfizer is a good thing in the sense that it is going to bring down pharmaceutical drug costs for millions of Americans, particularly older Americans.
[00:23:35]  Therefore, that gives me some solace.
[00:23:39]  Pfizer themselves, I'm not a fan of, but I think this is among your most important reporting.
[00:23:47]  I also want to move on to the auto pen, because to me, the auto pen is one of the greatest scandals in American political history.
[00:23:55]  I don't think Joe Biden had any idea that he was pardoning drug dealers, rapists, drug traffickers, mass murderers.
[00:24:04]  It wasn't just political pardons.
[00:24:06]  Some of the people who were pardoned didn't even apply for a pardon, didn't even appeal for a pardon, hardened criminals.
[00:24:13]  This looked to me like, therefore, somebody who works for him was doing this on an agenda basis, on a political agenda basis.
[00:24:24]  So, yes, he gave pardons to people like Dr. Anthony Fauci and Adam Schiff and Jamie Raskin and Liz Cheney.
[00:24:35]  This really is a roguesgallery, isn't it?
[00:24:37]  And of course, the way that that auto pen pardon gets tested in court is for the Trump Justice Department to charge one of those people.
[00:24:48]  And when they are charged, their lawyers will come back and say, well, you can't charge Adam Schiff because he's been pardoned.
[00:24:56]  The government would then argue the pardon was not valid because it wasn't signed by the President of the United States, as, by the way, my pardon was.
[00:25:04]  And the courts will finally decide whether these auto-pen pardons are valid or not.
[00:25:09]  But it speaks to the larger question, one that I really do not understand.
[00:25:14]  They raided your home at 6 o'clock in the morning.
[00:25:17]  They raided my home, or early in the morning.
[00:25:19]  They raided my home at 6 o'clock in the morning.
[00:25:22]  They raided my home at 6.06.
[00:25:24]  I was taken into custody.
[00:25:26]  They frogmarched my wife out of the house in her pajamas to her humiliation for the CNN cameras.
[00:25:32]  At 6.11, my lawyer, Grant Smith, received a text message from Sarah Murray of CNN to say, your client has been arrested.
[00:25:43]  He said, good Lord, arrested for what?
[00:25:46]  And she texted him a draft of my criminal indictment, which was sealed.
[00:25:51]  Remember, this is at 6.06 in the morning, which was 6.11 at that point.
[00:25:55]  It was sealed until about 10.30 that morning when it was unsealed by a federal magistrate.
[00:26:00]  Now, on the draft of my indictment, which had no court markings or court stampings on it, if you looked at the metadata tags, was the man who wrote it, Andrew Weissman, famously perhaps the most corrupt federal prosecutor in U.S. history.
[00:26:17]  But that means that he leaked it, and that leak is, based on federal law, is a felony in itself.
[00:26:24]  Leaking of an arrest or a search warrant prior to being executed is specifically a felony.
[00:26:31]  Of course, the judge in my case could care less.
[00:26:34]  So they rated you.
[00:26:35]  They rated me.
[00:26:37]  The rate on you is even more egregious than the rate on me because you're a journalist.
[00:26:41]  I'm just an activist and a political professional.
[00:26:45]  Yet, where are the warrants?
[00:26:47]  Where are the subpoenas?
[00:26:49]  Where are the early morning raids?
[00:26:51]  Why had they not seized the passports of Comey, Brennan, Clapper, Rice, Weissman, McCabe, Mueller himself, and so on?
[00:27:03]  This is astounding to me.
[00:27:05]  James.
[00:27:06]  Well, I wrote when Charlie Kirk died, I wrote a little something and I also spoke to it and to the camera.
[00:27:14]  And I think that Charlie said this to me, or excuse me, said this privately when he visited Steve Bannon in prison and talked about Tucker and talked about you and talked about me and talked about anyone on the front lines.
[00:27:28]  And he said that the reason why people don't go on offense is because you get taken down.
[00:27:33]  In our country, there's a lack of accountability for those who do evil.
[00:27:36]  And I wrote that people who commit crimes don't fear accountability.
[00:27:40]  And ask anybody at the turning point events that Charlie led, and they all say the same thing.
[00:27:45]  You might even be saying it right now on the radio.
[00:27:48]  Those who do wrong face no consequences.
[00:27:50]  Evil goes unpunished.
[00:27:51]  Nothing ever happens.
[00:27:53]  No one's ever held accountable for anything.
[00:27:55]  And justice isn't there for those who deserve it, like the men you just mentioned.
[00:28:00]  And they shine their handgun light not on the problems, but on the people trying to expose the problems.
[00:28:09]  So this is a principle we must understand.
[00:28:12]  And without accountability, we live under the illusion of freedom.
[00:28:14]  So my belief, and I believe this strongly, is the solution is to shame them through information and holding their feet to the fire, like we did with the Shepstein story and like we're doing with this story you just mentioned,
[00:28:30]  this Autopen story where this executive assistant for Senator Markey confesses that they lie and amidst the driving Markey while under the influence and says Senator Markey can lie and blame staff for wrongly signed documents.
[00:28:47]  The only solution is to bring out the information in bulk to enrage the people, to put pressure on the legislators for them to do the right thing.
[00:28:56]  But Roger, it makes no sense why Comey wasn't in handcuffs, but me and you were.
[00:29:02]  I don't understand that inconsistency.
[00:29:04]  No, he actually hasn't even turned himself in yet.
[00:29:06]  He has until October 9th to turn himself in voluntarily.
[00:29:10]  Meanwhile, they have not seized any of his electronic devices.
[00:29:13]  They have not seized his passport.
[00:29:16]  It is literally beyond belief.
[00:29:18]  In his case, he and I were hit with the exact same charges, lying to Congress under oath and obstruction of official proceeding.
[00:29:27]  So where is the equal justice?
[00:29:31]  I think you summed this up, however, in your remarks after the brutal political assassination of our mutual friend, Charlie Kirk, when you basically said that journalists and truth tellers must be willing to sacrifice their lives even.
[00:29:47]  This is necessary.
[00:29:49]  And words of wisdom for people who may be thinking of taking the plunge into becoming a journalist, a whistleblower, or something similar.
[00:29:56]  We have to recognize this fault in the system, but we have to take action anyway.
[00:30:02]  You know, cockroaches hate sunlight.
[00:30:06]  They run from the sunlight.
[00:30:08]  And sunlight is the greatest single disinfection.
[00:30:11]  You cannot become jaundice because the system is broken and give up the fight.
[00:30:15]  It's actually the reason why we both do what we do.
[00:30:18]  It's why we get back in the fight, even having been harassed by the police state.
[00:30:26]  The calling is now even greater, in my opinion.
[00:30:28]  But it also does speak to the fact that there is a ruling elite in this country.
[00:30:33]  They're in both parties.
[00:30:35]  They're in the Washington establishment.
[00:30:37]  They're inside the Pentagon.
[00:30:38]  They're inside our intelligence agencies.
[00:30:41]  They're inside the defense contractors.
[00:30:43]  They're inside the think tanks.
[00:30:46]  And they have led this nation to ruin.
[00:30:49]  They've led us to endless foreign war, the erosion of our civil liberties, massive, massive debt and regulation on our private lives, incredibly high and even confiscatory taxes, and spying on the American people.
[00:31:10]  I'd like to know when I met the vice president recently, who I'm very impressed with and I like very much.
[00:31:16]  And he asked me what my number one concern was in the country.
[00:31:20]  And I told him I did not like the idea of the federal government having a database on every American.
[00:31:27]  I don't like real ID.
[00:31:29]  I don't like the stated planes of Palantir.
[00:31:31]  I don't want Big Brother knowing everything about me, including my spending habits and everything about me, because I think it leads to a social credit score like they have in China.
[00:31:44]  What's your feeling on Real ID?
[00:31:48]  Oh, boy.
[00:31:51]  It's a tricky area there, Roger.
[00:31:53]  I'm sure it's ripe for abuse.
[00:31:55]  I mean, power tends to corrupt, and I'm sure absolute power and real ID will corrupt absolutely.
[00:32:01]  But that's probably something I should look into and investigate where abuses occur there.
[00:32:06]  I haven't looked into that yet, but I will.
[00:32:08]  I mean, look, I understand the arguments for it.
[00:32:10]  They say, well, it'll help eliminate welfare fraud.
[00:32:13]  It'll help eliminate voter fraud.

=== Big Brother Concerns (06:54) ===

[00:32:18]  That all sounds great.
[00:32:20]  But as we saw in the Patriot Act after 9-11, these things become immediately ripe for abuse.
[00:32:26]  This is one of my biggest concerns.
[00:32:28]  I think we as conservatives have always opposed the idea of Big Brother government, essentially keeping a database which can be abused.
[00:32:37]  Look what's happening right now in Canada.
[00:32:39]  If you own a firearm, you have to register that fact with the state.
[00:32:44]  Now we're in phase two where the government is going to pick up certain guns that don't meet the government's criteria.
[00:32:50]  We know where this is headed.
[00:32:53]  I think it's a terrible idea.
[00:32:55]  I think it is ripe for abuse.
[00:32:57]  You named your podcast, The Price Is My Life.
[00:33:00]  You have paid a heavy price for being a fearless journalist, but you continue to fight, and I admire you for that.
[00:33:07]  Tell us about this upcoming event that you have, the Gala, the Citizens Journalist Gala.
[00:33:14]  Well, we're having an event at Mor-a-Lago November 13th.
[00:33:19]  This is the website is citizenjournalistgala.com.
[00:33:26]  You can buy tickets there.
[00:33:27]  We're tax-deductible.
[00:33:30]  Tickets are $3,000 apiece, but it's to support a good cause.
[00:33:34]  All of our whistleblowers have lost their jobs in the government exposing what's going on.
[00:33:39]  They're going to be there.
[00:33:41]  We're going to have citizen journalists get awards for their truth-telling work that they've done, risking everything to hold the powerful accountable.
[00:33:49]  This is our big yearly event, citizenjournalistgala.com.
[00:33:55]  And then it'll be hosted by me at Trump's Mar-a-Lago in Palm Beach, Florida, an award ceremony honoring the fearless journalists and whistleblowers who risk everything for the truth.
[00:34:06]  And the date of that again, one more time?
[00:34:09]  It's November 13th at 5 o'clock at Mar-a-Lago.
[00:34:12]  All right, there you go.
[00:34:13]  One more time, folks.
[00:34:14]  CitizensJournalistGala.com.
[00:34:16]  You can go there and get your tickets.
[00:34:18]  James, I'm going to come, but only if you promise to sing.
[00:34:21]  All right, you're still in the Stone Zone.
[00:34:23]  We'll be right back with a few more minutes with James O'Keefe on the other side.
[00:34:27]  Whatever you do, folks, please don't touch that dial.
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[00:34:39]  And we're back.
[00:34:41]  You are still in the Stone Zone here on the Red Apple Audio Networks.
[00:34:46]  We're talking to James O'Keefe, the founder of Veritas, but also now with the O'Keeffe Media Group.
[00:34:54]  By the way, you can find James on X at James O'Keefe III, James O'Keefe III.
[00:35:02]  You can also find him at the O'Keefe Media Group, both on X. X has become the only, I think, true free speech platform.
[00:35:15]  I very much like True Social as well.
[00:35:18]  By the way, neither one of them are perfect.
[00:35:19]  None of them are perfect, but they're light years ahead of any of the Google-sponsored platforms, which I still find to be plagued by censorship, shadow banning, and the like.
[00:35:34]  Tell me, James, because this affected me very deeply.
[00:35:38]  I didn't know Charlie Kirk.
[00:35:41]  We didn't know each other until the FBI raided my home and it was splashed all over the television.
[00:35:48]  And Charlie reached out to me and said, Look, I think this is nonsense.
[00:35:52]  I think it's outrageous.
[00:35:54]  We both know there is no Russian collusion.
[00:35:56]  We both know that you had no motive to lie because there's nothing to lie about.
[00:36:00]  And Charlie became both a public and a private advocate for my clemency.
[00:36:06]  The prosecutors, by the way, in my case, wanted seven to nine years.
[00:36:11]  In their sentencing memo, they wanted to give me additional time for crimes that I had never actually been convicted of.
[00:36:17]  Fact, crimes I'd never been charged with.
[00:36:19]  Their sentencing memo specifically said I was involved in foreign interference in an American election.
[00:36:24]  I wasn't.
[00:36:25]  Said that I had threatened to kill the judge.
[00:36:27]  That's entirely false.
[00:36:29]  That is a fraud.
[00:36:31]  By the way, if that had been true, they would have charged me with that, but they didn't charge me that because it was not true.
[00:36:37]  Oh, Roger Stone posted a picture of the judge with a rival crosshair over her face.
[00:36:42]  No, I didn't go back and look at it.
[00:36:44]  In the upper left-hand corner, in a very, very tiny corner, there's a logo from the organization that produced the image of the judge.
[00:36:52]  I have a signed affidavit from the graphic artist who designed it.
[00:36:55]  It was a Celtic cross, had nothing to do with the firearm.
[00:36:58]  But in the middle of a media maelstrom, when the left-wing media gets into a very high dungeon, forget about the truth bleeding through, I do want to ask you about Project Veritas because you were the founder.
[00:37:14]  You had a very messy falling out with that organization.
[00:37:17]  You have actually gone on to bigger and greater things.
[00:37:21]  I would like to see you retake Project Veritas.
[00:37:24]  Is that a real possibility?
[00:37:29]  We're in discussions with Project Veritas, but I can't get into details due to the legal orders involved here.
[00:37:37]  But it's possible.
[00:37:39]  I think I'll get back the name and certain assets at some point in the future.
[00:37:48]  But I can't talk about that until it happens.
[00:37:51]  And it's been a very ugly two to three year dispute where they fired me.
[00:37:57]  I made a movie about it.
[00:37:59]  I countersued them.
[00:38:01]  It was a crazy story involving greed and jealousy and some conflicts of interest.
[00:38:10]  And we had deposed all the board members and exposed some aspects.
[00:38:15]  But all those guys are now gone, the board members at the organization, which terminated me.
[00:38:20]  And this is something I created.
[00:38:22]  And Charlie was really helpful to me at the time.
[00:38:24]  And he helped me get, Charlie Kirk helped me get me back on my feet.
[00:38:28]  But there's a lot more to say about that soon, Roger.
[00:38:31]  And when there is, I'll be back on your show to discuss it.
[00:38:34]  All right.
[00:38:34]  So if one of the listeners out there in Stonesville wants to give a big fat contribution to the O'Keeffe Media Group right now, where can they go do that?
[00:38:44]  O'KeeffeMedia Group.com slash support.
[00:38:49]  We have a 51c3 currently called Citizen Journalism Foundation.
[00:38:53]  It funds a lot of our work.
[00:38:55]  And you can make a tax-deductible contribution at O'KeeffeMediaGroup.com/slash support.
[00:39:02]  And we've got some big stories coming out.
[00:39:05]  We always have stories coming out, but we've got some very big stories coming out in the month of October.
[00:39:10]  All right.
[00:39:11]  Unfortunately, we have to end it there.

=== James O'Keeffe Joins Us (02:09) ===

[00:39:13]  It never seems to be enough time.
[00:39:15]  One of the most courageous, hardest-working journalists in America today, my good friend James O'Keeffe.
[00:39:20]  I want to thank you, James, for joining us today.
[00:39:23]  You've gone on to even bigger and better things, and I know you have a bunch of big stories.
[00:39:28]  Again, you can go to the upcoming gala by going to citizenjournalistgala.com, citizenjournalistgala.com coming up in November to further support the important work of the O'Keeffe Media Group.
[00:39:42]  James, thank you for joining us and God bless you.
[00:39:45]  Thank you.
[00:39:46]  All right, that's it for us today, folks.
[00:39:48]  Until tomorrow, God bless you and Godspeed.
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