The StoneZONE - Roger Stone - The Stone Zone | 07-22-25
Aired: 2025-07-23
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[00:00:32]  The Stone Zone.
[00:00:33]  Entertaining and informative on the Red Apple Podcast Network.
[00:00:39]  And this is Rita Cosby filling in for my buddy Roger Stone.
[00:00:43]  By the way, I think we have a little crazy train too, because Ozzy Osborne, the great Ozzy Osborne, has passed away.
[00:00:52]  I had the honor of meeting Ozzy a couple years ago.
[00:00:56]  There he is.
[00:00:57]  I think this is crazy train.
[00:00:59]  I think we're going to get a little crazy.
[00:01:01]  Roger loves rock music.
[00:01:03]  That's part of the reason I love Roger.
[00:01:40]  Maybe it's not too late.
[00:01:57]  Like for me, the skate.
[00:02:00]  I'm going after the rail going crazy.
[00:02:05]  Of course, part of Black Sabbath and a huge solo career.
[00:02:11]  He just did a performance earlier this month.
[00:02:15]  The legendary Ozzy Osborne, of course, reality star too, so much else.
[00:02:20]  Sadly, he had a lot of ailments, a lot of health problems, Parkinson's, everything else, passed away.
[00:02:26]  And we just got the word a few hours ago.

=== Ozzy Osborne's Legacy (15:02) ===

[00:02:28]  He will be deeply, deeply missed.
[00:02:31]  What a colorful guy.
[00:02:32]  What an interesting guy.
[00:02:34]  And obviously, our thoughts and prayers with his family.
[00:02:37]  I've met Sharon and the family.
[00:02:40]  So this is really a sad, sad day and sad day in the history of rock and roll, too.
[00:02:45]  He will be deeply, deeply missed.
[00:02:47]  Well, today also, we're talking about obviously Ghelane Maxwell, who is now going to be meeting with the Deputy Attorney General of the United States, Todd Blanch, President Trump's former attorney.
[00:03:00]  We saw him in a lot of those legal cases, all the lawfare against President Trump.
[00:03:05]  And also, in the middle of all this, one of the other big stories is Mahmoud Khalil.
[00:03:11]  He is the Columbia University activist.
[00:03:15]  This is the guy who is leading all of these different protests, especially the big one there, as we know on Columbia University campus.
[00:03:23]  Remember, they were holed up for a long, long time there at the campus.
[00:03:29]  Remember, they had to bring the police in and to try to break it up.
[00:03:33]  That's not legal.
[00:03:34]  Also, making Jewish students feel uncomfortable on campus, which boy, many of them did.
[00:03:40]  They felt so threatened.
[00:03:41]  That is not allowed.
[00:03:43]  That's not appropriate.
[00:03:45]  And yet, Mahmoud Khalil, remember, first he was arrested.
[00:03:49]  They said, listen, you have a green card and you are staying in America at the pleasure of the United States.
[00:03:55]  And what you're espousing essentially is against American interests.
[00:03:59]  You're going up against one of America's greatest allies.
[00:04:02]  You are creating trouble on college campuses and elsewhere.
[00:04:07]  And he's an Algerian citizen with a green card, as I mentioned.
[00:04:11]  He was being held in a Louisiana jail for some time.
[00:04:15]  Then they were going through the case.
[00:04:17]  And then a rogue judge said, Nope, you got to put him out while this case is being heard.
[00:04:22]  So that's the latest.
[00:04:23]  He walked out like a hero with his fans that are also anti-Israel.
[00:04:30]  And of all things, I can't believe this.
[00:04:33]  Mahmoud Khalil today, he's out there on CNN.
[00:04:37]  He's out there on Capitol Hill meeting with different lawmakers.
[00:04:41]  And he couldn't wait to say it's time to put the heat on the Trump administration.
[00:04:46]  He's not saying he's grateful that he's out.
[00:04:50]  He's grateful to be in America.
[00:04:52]  I'd love to hear that.
[00:04:54]  I'd love to hear somebody like him say America is the greatest country in the world and we need to abide by their laws and respect America and not cause division and not create fear in the eyes of other students, Jewish or non-Jews.
[00:05:10]  I mean, this is crazy.
[00:05:12]  But no, what does he do?
[00:05:13]  He goes on CNN to announce that he is suing the Trump administration for $20 million because he says they need to now feel the pressure.
[00:05:26]  Let me get this straight.
[00:05:27]  He's the guy who was with a group that was all holed up.
[00:05:32]  There are janitors who say that they were held hostage.
[00:05:36]  They caused a lot of damage to Hamilton Hall, caused a lot of fear and terror.
[00:05:41]  Other colleges across the country saw what was going on and they felt emboldened.
[00:05:46]  And this guy's now suing the Trump administration.
[00:05:50]  That's called cajodes.
[00:05:52]  Here it is.
[00:05:54]  I know you filed Mahmoud a $20 million claim against the Trump administration, alleging you were falsely imprisoned in dehumanizing conditions and maliciously prosecuted.
[00:06:05]  What are you hoping to achieve with this filing?
[00:06:10]  Simply, I'm hoping to achieve accountability because there should be accountability for such overreach.
[00:06:17]  The Trump administration should feel the heat of their actions.
[00:06:23]  And they can't just simply kidnap people from the streets and throw them in jails in Louisiana, 1,400 miles away.
[00:06:34]  It's simply accountability.
[00:06:35]  I'm sure that this doesn't happen to others to set a precedent that there should be accountability.
[00:06:45]  This administration is not just immune to accountability.
[00:06:52]  First of all, they're not just kidnapping people off the streets.
[00:06:54]  The guy was sitting there with a megaphone, and the group was talking about river to the sea.
[00:07:00]  In other words, let's annihilate the Jewish population.
[00:07:04]  This was not somebody sitting out there singing, you know, I love America, I love the world.
[00:07:12]  And this guy is out there and has the audacity to right now go after the Trump administration.
[00:07:18]  They better not pay him a dime.
[00:07:20]  And I'm sure the Trump administration will not do that.
[00:07:24]  Also, it sends such a dangerous message.
[00:07:27]  And these rogue judges that are releasing people haphazardly saying, oh, this is not fair.
[00:07:32]  This is not appropriate.
[00:07:34]  Granted, he is, I guess, I would assume, not allowed to really travel, at least outside of the United States.
[00:07:41]  But I hope he loses his case, and I hope it sends a message.
[00:07:45]  But this is all this sort of death-by lawfare.
[00:07:49]  The sense of let's slow down the process.
[00:07:53]  Because remember, the Trump administration arrested him, said we're going to send a message to try to clamp down on all these other horrible, hate-filled protests.
[00:08:02]  This is not First Amendment.
[00:08:04]  This is hate.
[00:08:05]  This is spreading fear.
[00:08:07]  But what it is doing is because they have to go back and forth on all the legislative stuff, it's delaying the process.
[00:08:12]  And that's the whole point of it.
[00:08:14]  Whether it succeeds or not, at the end of the day, now they have delayed it by months, if not years, and they just want to run out the clock.
[00:08:23]  That's why all these rogue judges are still trying, despite the ruling from the U.S. Supreme Court, a lot of them are still trying to do whatever they can to stop the Trump agenda so they could say, look, he didn't do this.
[00:08:34]  Look, a judge blocked this.
[00:08:36]  It's just to run out the clock.
[00:08:39]  And then here's, this is interesting.
[00:08:41]  Mahmoud Khalil, again, this is the organizer of the Columbia University protests.
[00:08:47]  He's on CNN today, again, like he's a hero or something.
[00:08:52]  And he would not condemn Hamas.
[00:08:57]  He would not condemn Hamas.
[00:08:59]  Hamas is a ruthless, disgusting terrorist group.
[00:09:02]  And to me, this is absolutely disgraceful.
[00:09:07]  Listen to what Mahmoud Khalil wouldn't say when he was talking to CNN today.
[00:09:13]  Just to be clear here, though, do you specifically condemn Hamas, a designated terrorist organization in the United States, not just for their actions on October 7th?
[00:09:23]  I condemn the killing of old civilians, full stop.
[00:09:28]  But what I don't want to get into is.
[00:09:32]  No, I am very clear with condemning old civilians.
[00:09:37]  I'm very straight in my position in that part.
[00:09:42]  But it's disingenuous to ask about condemning Hamas while Palestinians are the ones being starved now by Israel.
[00:09:48]  It's not condemning October 6th, where 260 Palestinians were killed by Israel before October 7.
[00:09:57]  So I hate this selective outrage of condemnation because this wouldn't lead to a constructive conversation.
[00:10:08]  And this is also like what we want to deal with is the root causes of why that happened.
[00:10:14]  And it's in no way anyone can justify it.
[00:10:16]  Just to be clear, Mahmoud, we did ask about, you know, we talked at length about your views, of course, on the Palestinians, but it is fair to ask you about whether you condemn Hamas because the Trump administration has claimed that you are Hamas sympathizer.
[00:10:31]  So it's very important to actually ask that question in this broad conversation.
[00:10:36]  Yeah, I simply asked and protested the war in Palestine.
[00:10:43]  He would not condemn Hamas.
[00:10:46]  At least I didn't hear it there.
[00:10:48]  I mean, if you listen to it, it's not a trick question.
[00:10:52]  Will you condemn a group that was responsible for raping and beheading people on October 7th?
[00:10:59]  Will you condemn a group that continues to want to wipe Israel off the face of the earth?
[00:11:05]  And he's making excuses.
[00:11:07]  I mean, this is an unbelievable moment.
[00:11:10]  And that's why somebody like him, I believe his activities are dangerous.
[00:11:15]  That's my opinion.
[00:11:17]  I think his activities are extraordinarily dangerous.
[00:11:20]  And you know who he reminds me of?
[00:11:22]  He reminds me of Zoran Mundami, who was running for mayor in New York City.
[00:11:29]  Because he just came out the other day and said he's not going to use the phrase global intifada anymore now, not because he necessarily thinks it's bad, but because some people told him it's bad.
[00:11:41]  So it doesn't really even sound like he's condemning it.
[00:11:44]  He's just suggesting people don't use it.
[00:11:46]  But he's also got the general election and he's running for mayor in an enormous Jewish population of New York City.
[00:11:54]  It's the biggest amount of Jews in the world outside of Israel.
[00:11:59]  So it's pretty obvious what he's doing.
[00:12:01]  He's trying to like dance and weave and bob.
[00:12:03]  But there's a new video out that also has him talking about Zionists left and right, the Zionists, the Ziz, the this, the this.
[00:12:11]  That is Zorhan Mamdani right now who's in Uganda.
[00:12:16]  And listen to him dodge and weave.
[00:12:18]  This to me is really disgraceful.
[00:12:20]  And it reminds me of what we just heard there from Mahmoud Khalil.
[00:12:24]  It's like these guys are two peas in a pot.
[00:12:26]  And I think they met.
[00:12:27]  I think they even hung out together.
[00:12:29]  If I remember, I heard recently, I think there's a picture of the two of them hanging out.
[00:12:33]  I thought I saw a report like that.
[00:12:35]  That wouldn't surprise me.
[00:12:36]  Maybe Mahmoud will go on the campaign trail with Zorhan Mamdani.
[00:12:42]  Maybe he'll be his deputy mayor.
[00:12:44]  How's that?
[00:12:45]  What do you think of that, guys?
[00:12:46]  Wow.
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[00:12:56]  And this is why it's so dangerous.
[00:12:58]  These people are dancing and weaving with the words.
[00:13:02]  You just heard Mahmoud Khalil dancing and weaving with the words.
[00:13:06]  Here is Zorhan Mamdani, again, who is the leader in the race right now for New York City mayor.
[00:13:14]  And he is weaving, dodging, bobbing, twisting, turning on the words when he's asked about globalize the intifada.
[00:13:23]  At least one of those meetings, you said that you would discourage the use of the slogan, globalize the intifada.
[00:13:29]  And I know you've been asked about this a million times.
[00:13:31]  Let me just throw in my two cents.
[00:13:32]  I was actually in Israel for the first time during the second intifada.
[00:13:36]  It was a traumatic, horrible, violent time.
[00:13:38]  You could see where storefronts had been blown out.
[00:13:42]  You had to open your bags everywhere.
[00:13:44]  There was a lot of tension.
[00:13:45]  The streets were deserted, streets that were normally lively.
[00:13:48]  We know, and it lasted for years that thousands of people, both Palestinians and Israelis, died before they got some kind of a treaty to sort of dial back some of the violence.
[00:13:58]  It was just a horrible, horrible time.
[00:14:00]  And as you know, as you've heard, a lot of people are traumatized by that word.
[00:14:04]  It brings back a lot of really, really bad memories.
[00:14:07]  I was just a visitor, but there are people who have lived with much worse.
[00:14:10]  Obviously, as part of your job as mayor, you would need to sort of dial back the temperature, bring people together.
[00:14:17]  Where are we now in that conversation?
[00:14:19]  And what else might you want to say about that particular phrase?
[00:14:23]  You know, Errol, I've thought about this quite a lot.
[00:14:26]  And for some New Yorkers, this phrase is one that refers to civil disobedience and protest, a call to end the Israeli occupation of Palestinian land.
[00:14:37]  But I know that for many Jewish New Yorkers, it brings to mind images of the like that you are speaking of.
[00:14:43]  I was sitting with a rabbi not too long ago who told me how the same phrase is heard very differently by her.
[00:14:49]  And it's heard as a reference to bus bombings in Haifa, restaurant attacks in Jerusalem, and engenders a fear in her and in others of the possibility of those very attacks coming home here in New York City.
[00:15:04]  And that distance between what some intend and what others hear is a bridge that is too far.
[00:15:10]  And it is why I have not used the phrase, and it is why I discourage its use.
[00:15:15]  And my focus is on building a movement for justice and equality.
[00:15:19]  And as it pertains to Israel and Palestine, I think often of the words of Noy Katzmann, who lost their brother in the horrific war crime of October 7th.
[00:15:29]  And Noy said, we must believe in all life, Israeli and Palestinian, Jewish and Arab, that it is equally precious.
[00:15:40]  And that is the vision that I hope to fulfill.
[00:15:42]  And if a.
[00:15:44]  That to me is a bunch of hogwash.
[00:15:46]  Did that make sense to anybody?
[00:15:48]  The answer is it's inappropriate.
[00:15:52]  I never should have used it.
[00:15:54]  It's distasteful and it's disgusting.
[00:15:56]  And I obviously need a better education to appreciate the Jewish population.
[00:16:02]  And I'm embarrassed that I was out there saying it.
[00:16:05]  And I hope it wasn't provocative to people.
[00:16:08]  He didn't go there at all.
[00:16:09]  He just said to some people, it says this and other.
[00:16:12]  That to me is really scary.
[00:16:14]  And it's just like the defiance that we just heard from Mahmoud Khalil, who refused to condemn Hamas.
[00:16:23]  It's two peas in a pod.
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[00:17:15]  And this is Rita Cosby.
[00:17:17]  And for Roger Stone tonight, we are talking about Mahmoud Khalil, Zora, and Mamdani, the defiance of these people and the word salad that they try to spew on the public.

=== Defiance and Dangerous Rhetoric (02:54) ===

[00:17:31]  One saying, I'm not going to use the phrase globalize the Intifada.
[00:17:35]  The other one saying, you know what?
[00:17:37]  I won't condemn the phrase Hamas.
[00:17:40]  Are you kidding me?
[00:17:41]  It's not a trick question, guys.
[00:17:43]  1-800-848-9222.
[00:17:48]  Let's go to Joan in Long Island on line three.
[00:17:50]  Go ahead, Joan.
[00:17:51]  What do you think?
[00:17:53]  Hi, Rita.
[00:17:53]  How are you doing?
[00:17:54]  I do nice.
[00:17:55]  Thank you for taking my call.
[00:17:56]  What I see is a lot of times our media, our newspapers, or any journalistic area.
[00:18:03]  These people are getting the media.
[00:18:05]  If we turned our back on them and didn't give them the attention, they have no way to spute their actual hate out into the world.
[00:18:13]  And that's exactly what they're doing.
[00:18:15]  And we're allowing them to do the wordplay.
[00:18:18]  And then we actually elect these people into our own government, which makes me absolutely nauseous to no end because they do not want freedom.
[00:18:28]  They're here to gut America from the inside out.
[00:18:32]  And I'm really saddened that a lot of Americans can't see what they've been doing to us for the last 20 and 30 years.
[00:18:40]  This is all building to destruction, and they can't see it.
[00:18:44]  They can't feel it.
[00:18:45]  Your rights are being taken away while they are getting more and more rights and getting more and more seats in our government and everywhere we look.
[00:18:54]  You know, Joan, Joan, I think you're bringing up some great points because, first off, I agree.
[00:19:00]  Unfortunately, this, like a lot of them, are getting a lot of attention, especially Mamdani here in New York City.
[00:19:08]  And you're right, it's part of a very big, troubling national trend.
[00:19:11]  There's also a guy running for mayor in Minnesota, in Minneapolis.
[00:19:16]  And you're like, what?
[00:19:17]  I mean, he looks like Mamdani Jr.
[00:19:20]  And you just hear the rhetoric from him.
[00:19:22]  And I said it sort of facetiously earlier, but in many ways, it's kind of true.
[00:19:29]  I feel like he should be running for mayor of Gaza, not mayor of the Big Apple.
[00:19:34]  I mean, with the kind of values that he's saying.
[00:19:37]  And, you know, Joan, it's shocking to me.
[00:19:40]  I'm a first-generation American.
[00:19:42]  I mean, my father was rescued by American troops, and he saw the greatest thing in the world, and it was an American flag.
[00:19:48]  And that's how he knew he was free.
[00:19:51]  And so I came from a home where, you know, you could not thank this country enough and appreciate this country enough.
[00:19:58]  And to see a lot of these people and stirring up a lot of other people to have the same values and the fact that they won't condemn Hamas.
[00:20:10]  And even, you know, Zoran Mundani, when he was asked, you just heard that interview just a couple days ago, said, I'm not going to use the phrase global intifada because some people construe it.
[00:20:22]  Well, I don't think you're not two years old.

=== Crazy Train Theory (02:25) ===

[00:20:26]  You know what it means.
[00:20:27]  You know it's something horrible.
[00:20:28]  And he continues to spew it.
[00:20:30]  He gives the finger to Italians.
[00:20:33]  He goes after the Jewish people.
[00:20:35]  He's talked about defunding the police.
[00:20:38]  He's talked about getting rid of jails.
[00:20:41]  This is like mayhem, very dangerous.
[00:20:44]  You guys, I'll be back at 10 p.m.
[00:20:47]  Have a great night, everybody.
[00:20:48]  and I'll see you at 10 p.m. on the Rita Cosby Show.
[00:20:56]  The Stone Zone.
[00:20:58]  Entertaining and informative.
[00:21:00]  On the Red Apple Podcast Network.
[00:21:03]  And this is Rita Cosby filling in for my buddy Roger Stone.
[00:21:08]  By the way, I think we have a little crazy train too, because Ozzy Osborne, the great Ozzy Osborne, has passed away.
[00:21:16]  I had the honor of meeting Ozzy a couple years ago.
[00:21:21]  There he is.
[00:21:22]  I think this is crazy train.
[00:21:24]  I think we're going to get a little crazy.
[00:21:26]  Roger loves rock music.
[00:21:28]  That's part of the reason I love Roger.
[00:22:18]  People won't stop me like the man.
[00:22:25]  I'm going after everybody, crazy trade.
[00:22:30]  Of course, part of Black Sabbath and a huge solo career.
[00:22:36]  He just did a performance earlier this month.
[00:22:39]  The legendary Ozzy Osborne, of course, reality star too, so much else.
[00:22:45]  Sadly, he had a lot of ailments, a lot of health problems, Parkinson's, everything else, passed away.

=== Ozzy Osborne's Legacy (14:58) ===

[00:22:51]  And we just got the word a few hours ago.
[00:22:53]  He will be deeply, deeply missed.
[00:22:56]  What a colorful guy.
[00:22:57]  What an interesting guy.
[00:22:59]  And obviously, our thoughts and prayers with his family.
[00:23:02]  I've met Sharon and the family.
[00:23:04]  So this is really a sad, sad day and sad day in the history of Rock and Roll 2.
[00:23:09]  He will be deeply, deeply missed.
[00:23:12]  Well, today also, we're talking about obviously Ghelane Maxwell, who is now going to be meeting with the Deputy Attorney General of the United States, Todd Blanch, President Trump's former attorney.
[00:23:25]  We saw him in a lot of those legal cases, all the lawfare against President Trump.
[00:23:30]  And also, in the middle of all this, one of the other big stories is Mahmoud Khalil.
[00:23:36]  He is the Columbia University activist.
[00:23:40]  This is the guy who was leading all of these different protests, especially the big one there, as we know on Columbia University campus.
[00:23:48]  Remember, they were holed up for a long, long time there at the campus.
[00:23:54]  Remember, they had to bring the police in and to try to break it up.
[00:23:57]  That's not legal.
[00:23:59]  Also, making Jewish students feel uncomfortable on campus, which boy, many of them did.
[00:24:04]  They felt so threatened.
[00:24:06]  That is not allowed.
[00:24:08]  That's not appropriate.
[00:24:10]  And yet, Mahmoud Khalil, remember, first he was arrested.
[00:24:14]  They said, listen, you have a green card and you are staying in America at the pleasure of the United States.
[00:24:20]  And what you're espousing essentially is against American interests.
[00:24:24]  You're going up against one of America's greatest allies.
[00:24:27]  You are creating trouble on college campuses and elsewhere.
[00:24:31]  And he's an Algerian citizen with a green card, as I mentioned.
[00:24:36]  He was being held in a Louisiana jail for some time.
[00:24:39]  Then they were going through the case, and then a rogue judge said, Nope, you got to put him out while this case is being heard.
[00:24:46]  So that's the latest.
[00:24:48]  He walked out like a hero with his fans that are also anti-Israel.
[00:24:55]  And of all things, I can't believe this.
[00:24:58]  Mahmoud Khalil, today, he's out there on CNN.
[00:25:02]  He's out there on Capitol Hill meeting with different lawmakers.
[00:25:06]  And he couldn't wait to say it's time to put the heat on the Trump administration.
[00:25:11]  He's not saying he's grateful that he's out.
[00:25:15]  He's grateful to be in America.
[00:25:17]  I'd love to hear that.
[00:25:18]  I'd love to hear somebody like him say America is the greatest country in the world and we need to abide by their laws and respect America and not cause division and not create fear in the eyes of other students, Jewish or non-Jews.
[00:25:35]  I mean, this is crazy.
[00:25:36]  But no, what does he do?
[00:25:38]  He goes on CNN to announce that he is suing the Trump administration for $20 million because he says they need to now feel the pressure.
[00:25:51]  Let me get this straight.
[00:25:52]  He's the guy who was with a group that was all holed up.
[00:25:57]  There are janitors who say that they were held hostage.
[00:26:00]  They caused a lot of damage to Hamilton Hall, caused a lot of fear and terror.
[00:26:06]  Other colleges across the country saw what was going on and they felt emboldened.
[00:26:11]  And this guy's now suing the Trump administration.
[00:26:15]  That's called cajodes.
[00:26:16]  Here it is.
[00:26:18]  I know you filed Mahmoud a $20 million claim against the Trump administration, alleging you were falsely imprisoned in dehumanizing conditions and maliciously prosecuted.
[00:26:30]  What are you hoping to achieve with this filing?
[00:26:35]  Simply, I'm hoping to achieve accountability because there should be accountability for such overreach.
[00:26:42]  The Trump administration should feel the heat of their actions.
[00:26:48]  And they can't just simply kidnap people from the streets and throw them in jails in Louisiana, 1,400 miles away.
[00:26:58]  It's simply accountability.
[00:27:00]  I'm sure that this doesn't happen to others.
[00:27:05]  To set a precedent, there should be accountability.
[00:27:10]  This administration is not just immune to accountability.
[00:27:16]  First of all, they're not just kidnapping people off the streets.
[00:27:19]  The guy was sitting there with a megaphone, and the group was talking about river to the sea.
[00:27:25]  In other words, let's annihilate the Jewish population.
[00:27:29]  This was not somebody sitting out there singing, you know, I love America, I love the world.
[00:27:37]  And this guy is out there and has the audacity to right now go after the Trump administration, they better not pay him a dime.
[00:27:45]  And I'm sure the Trump administration will not do that.
[00:27:48]  Also, it sends such a dangerous message.
[00:27:52]  And these rogue judges that are releasing people haphazardly saying, oh, this is not fair.
[00:27:57]  This is not appropriate.
[00:27:58]  Granted, he is, I guess, I would assume, not allowed to really travel, at least outside of the United States.
[00:28:06]  But I hope he loses his case, and I hope it sends a message.
[00:28:09]  But this is all this sort of death-by lawfare, the sense of let's slow down the process.
[00:28:17]  Because remember, the Trump administration, you know, arrested him, said we're going to send a message to try to clamp down on all these other horrible, hate-filled protests.
[00:28:27]  This is not First Amendment.
[00:28:28]  This is hate.
[00:28:29]  This is spreading fear.
[00:28:32]  But what it is doing is because they have to go back and forth on all the legislative stuff, it's delaying the process.
[00:28:37]  And that's the whole point of it.
[00:28:39]  Whether it succeeds or not, at the end of the day, now they have delayed it by months, if not years, and they just want to run out the clock.
[00:28:47]  That's why all these rogue judges are still trying, despite the ruling from the U.S. Supreme Court, a lot of them are still trying to do whatever they can to stop the Trump agenda so they could say, look, he didn't do this.
[00:28:59]  Look, a judge blocked this.
[00:29:01]  It's just to run out the clock.
[00:29:04]  And then here's, this is interesting.
[00:29:06]  Mahmoud Khalil, again, this is the organizer of the Columbia University protests.
[00:29:12]  He's on CNN today, again, like he's a hero or something.
[00:29:17]  And he would not condemn Hamas.
[00:29:22]  He would not condemn Hamas.
[00:29:23]  Hamas is a ruthless, disgusting terrorist group.
[00:29:27]  And to me, this is absolutely disgraceful.
[00:29:31]  Listen to what Mahmoud Khalil wouldn't say when he was talking to CNN today.
[00:29:38]  Just to be clear here, though, do you specifically condemn Hamas, a designated terrorist organization in the United States, not just for their actions on October 7th?
[00:29:47]  I condemn the killing of old civilians, full stop.
[00:29:53]  But what I don't want to get into is I am very clear with condemning old civilians.
[00:30:02]  I'm very straight in my position in that part.
[00:30:06]  But it's disingenuous to ask about condemning Hamas while Palestinians are the ones being starved now by Israel.
[00:30:13]  It's not condemning October 6th, where 260 Palestinians were killed by Israel before October 7.
[00:30:22]  So I hate this selective outrage of condemnation because this wouldn't lead to a constructive conversation.
[00:30:33]  And this is also like what we want to deal with is the root causes of why that happened.
[00:30:39]  And it's in no way anyone can just discuss the case.
[00:30:41]  Just to be clear, just to be clear, Mahmoud, we did ask about, you know, we talked at length about your views, of course, on the Palestinians, but it is fair to ask you about whether you condemn Hamas because the Trump administration has claimed that you are Hamas sympathizer.
[00:30:56]  So it's very important to actually ask that question in this broad conversation.
[00:31:01]  Yeah, I simply asked and protested the war in Palestine.
[00:31:08]  He would not condemn Hamas.
[00:31:11]  At least I didn't hear it there.
[00:31:13]  I mean, if you listen to it, it's not a trick question.
[00:31:16]  Will you condemn a group that was responsible for raping and beheading people on October 7th?
[00:31:24]  Will you condemn a group that continues to want to wipe Israel off the face of the earth?
[00:31:30]  And he's making excuses.
[00:31:32]  I mean, this is an unbelievable moment.
[00:31:35]  And that's why somebody like him, I believe his activities are dangerous.
[00:31:40]  That's my opinion.
[00:31:41]  I think his activities are extraordinarily dangerous.
[00:31:45]  And you know who he reminds me of?
[00:31:47]  He reminds me of Zorhan Mamdani, who is running for mayor in New York City.
[00:31:54]  Because he just came out the other day and said he's not going to use the phrase global intifada anymore now.
[00:32:01]  Not because he necessarily thinks it's bad, but because some people told him it's bad.
[00:32:06]  So it doesn't really even sound like he's condemning it.
[00:32:08]  He's just suggesting people don't use it.
[00:32:11]  But he's also got the general election and he's running for mayor in an enormous Jewish population of New York City.
[00:32:19]  It's the biggest amount of Jews in the world outside of Israel.
[00:32:23]  So it's pretty obvious what he's doing.
[00:32:26]  He's trying to like dance and weave and bob.
[00:32:28]  But there's a new video out that also has him talking about Zionists left and right.
[00:32:33]  The Zionists, the Ziz, the this, the this.
[00:32:36]  That is Zoran Mundami right now who's in Uganda.
[00:32:40]  And listen to him dodge and weave.
[00:32:43]  This to me is really disgraceful.
[00:32:44]  And it reminds me of what we just heard there from Mahmoud Khalil.
[00:32:49]  It's like these guys are two peas in a pot.
[00:32:51]  And I think they met.
[00:32:52]  I think they even hung out together.
[00:32:54]  If I remember, I heard recently, I think there's a picture of the two of them hanging out.
[00:32:58]  I thought I saw a report like that.
[00:32:59]  That wouldn't surprise me.
[00:33:01]  Maybe Mahmoud will go on the campaign trail with Zorhan Mamdani.
[00:33:06]  Maybe he'll be his deputy mayor.
[00:33:08]  How's that?
[00:33:09]  What do you think of that, guys?
[00:33:11]  Wow.
[00:33:11]  1-800-8489222.
[00:33:15]  1-800-8489222.
[00:33:18]  And this is Rita Cosby in for Roger Stone.
[00:33:21]  And this is why it's so dangerous.
[00:33:23]  These people are dancing and weaving with the words.
[00:33:27]  You just heard Mahmoud Khalil dancing and weaving with the words.
[00:33:31]  Here is Zorhan Mamdani, again, who is the leader in the race right now for New York City mayor.
[00:33:39]  And he is weaving, dodging, bobbing, twisting, turning on the words when he's asked about globalize the intifada.
[00:33:48]  At least one of those meetings, you said that you would discourage the use of the slogan, globalize the intifada.
[00:33:53]  And I know you've been asked about this a million times.
[00:33:55]  Let me just throw in my two cents.
[00:33:57]  I was actually in Israel for the first time during the second intifada.
[00:34:01]  It was a traumatic, horrible, violent time.
[00:34:03]  You could see where storefronts had been blown out.
[00:34:06]  You had to open your bags everywhere.
[00:34:09]  There was a lot of tension.
[00:34:10]  The streets were deserted, streets that were normally lively.
[00:34:12]  We know, and it lasted for years, that thousands of people, both Palestinians and Israelis, died before they got some kind of a treaty to sort of dial back some of the violence.
[00:34:22]  It was just a horrible, horrible time.
[00:34:24]  And as you know, as you've heard, a lot of people are traumatized by that word.
[00:34:29]  It brings back a lot of really, really bad memories.
[00:34:31]  I was just a visitor, but there are people who have lived with much worse.
[00:34:35]  Obviously, as part of your job as mayor, you would need to sort of dial back the temperature, bring people together.
[00:34:42]  Where are we now in that conversation?
[00:34:44]  And what else might you want to say about that particular phrase?
[00:34:48]  You know, Errol, I've thought about this quite a lot.
[00:34:51]  And for some New Yorkers, this phrase is one that refers to civil disobedience and protest, a call to end the Israeli occupation of Palestinian land.
[00:35:02]  But I know that for many Jewish New Yorkers, it brings to mind images of the like that you are speaking of.
[00:35:08]  I was sitting with a rabbi not too long ago who told me how the same phrase is heard very differently by her.
[00:35:14]  And it's heard as a reference to bus bombings in Haifa, restaurant attacks in Jerusalem, and engenders a fear in her and in others of the possibility of those very attacks coming home here in New York City.
[00:35:28]  And that distance between what some intend and what others hear is a bridge that is too far.
[00:35:35]  And it is why I have not used the phrase, and it is why I discourage its use.
[00:35:39]  And my focus is on building a movement for justice and equality.
[00:35:44]  And as it pertains to Israel and Palestine, I think often of the words of Noy Katzman, who lost their brother in the horrific war crime of October 7th.
[00:35:54]  And Noy said, we must believe in all life, Israeli and Palestinian, Jewish and Arab, that it is equally precious.
[00:36:05]  And that is the vision that I hope to fulfill.
[00:36:08]  That to me is a bunch of hogwash.
[00:36:10]  Did that make sense to anybody?
[00:36:13]  The answer is it's inappropriate.
[00:36:16]  I never should have used it.
[00:36:18]  It's distasteful and it's disgusting.
[00:36:21]  And I obviously need a better education to appreciate the Jewish population.
[00:36:27]  And I'm embarrassed that I was out there saying it.
[00:36:30]  And I hope it wasn't provocative to people.
[00:36:33]  He didn't go there at all.
[00:36:34]  He just said, to some people, it says this and other.
[00:36:36]  That to me is really scary.
[00:36:39]  And it's just like the defiance that we just heard from Mahmoud Khalil, who refused to condemn Hamas.
[00:36:48]  It's two peas in a pod.
[00:36:50]  We're going to take your calls when we come back.
[00:36:52]  1-800-8489222.
[00:36:55]  And this is Rita Cosby filling in for Roger Stone.
[00:37:02]  The Stone Zone.
[00:37:03]  Entertaining and Informative on the Red Apple Podcast Network.
[00:37:09]  And this is Rita Cosby.
[00:37:11]  And for Roger Stone tonight, we are talking about Mahmoud Khalil, Zora, and Mamdani, the defiance of these people and the word salad that they try to spew on the public.
[00:37:24]  One saying, I'm not going to use the phrase globalize the Intifada.
[00:37:28]  The other one saying, you know what?
[00:37:31]  I won't condemn the phrase Hamas.
[00:37:34]  Are you kidding me?
[00:37:34]  It's not a trick question, guys.
[00:37:37]  1-800-8489222.
[00:37:41]  Let's go to Joan in Long Island on line three.
[00:37:44]  Go ahead, Joan.
[00:37:45]  What do you think?
[00:37:46]  Hi, Rita.
[00:37:47]  How are you doing?
[00:37:48]  Thank you for taking my call.

=== Allowing the Word Play (03:07) ===

[00:37:50]  What I see is a lot of times our media, our newspapers, or any journalistic area.
[00:37:57]  These people are getting the media.
[00:37:59]  If we turned our back on them and didn't give them the attention, they have no way to spute their actual hate out into the world.
[00:38:07]  And that's exactly what they're doing.
[00:38:09]  And we're allowing them to do the word play.
[00:38:11]  And then we actually elect these people into our own government, which makes me absolutely nauseous to no end because they do not want freedom.
[00:38:22]  They're here to gut America from the inside out.
[00:38:25]  And I'm really saddened that a lot of Americans can't see what they've been doing to us for the last 20 and 30 years.
[00:38:34]  This is all building to destruction.
[00:38:36]  And they can't see it.
[00:38:37]  They can't feel it.
[00:38:38]  Your rights are being taken away while they are getting more and more rights and getting more and more seats in our government and everywhere we look.
[00:38:48]  You know, Joan, I think you're bringing up some great points because, first off, I agree.
[00:38:54]  Unfortunately, this, like a lot of them are getting a lot of attention, especially Mamdani here in New York City.
[00:39:01]  And you're right, it's part of a very big, troubling national trend.
[00:39:05]  There's also a guy running for mayor in Minnesota, in Minneapolis.
[00:39:10]  And you're like, what?
[00:39:10]  I mean, he looks like Mundami Jr.
[00:39:14]  And you just hear the rhetoric from him.
[00:39:16]  And I said it sort of facetiously earlier, but in many ways, it's kind of true.
[00:39:22]  I feel like he should be running for mayor of Gaza, not mayor of the Big Apple.
[00:39:28]  I mean, with the kind of values that he's saying.
[00:39:31]  And, you know, Joan, it's shocking to me.
[00:39:33]  I'm a first-generation American.
[00:39:35]  I mean, my father was rescued by American troops and he saw the greatest thing in the world, and it was an American flag.
[00:39:42]  And that's how he knew he was free.
[00:39:45]  And so I came from a home where, you know, you could not thank this country enough and appreciate this country enough.
[00:39:52]  And to see a lot of these people and stirring up a lot of other people to have the same values and the fact that they won't condemn Hamas.
[00:40:04]  And even, you know, Zoran Mundani, when he was asked, you just heard that interview just a couple days ago, said, I'm not going to use the phrase global intifada because some people construe it.
[00:40:16]  Well, I don't think you're not two years old.
[00:40:19]  You know what it means.
[00:40:21]  You know it's something horrible and he continues to spew it.
[00:40:24]  He gives the finger to Italians.
[00:40:26]  He goes after the Jewish people.
[00:40:29]  He's talked about defunding the police.
[00:40:31]  He's talked about getting rid of jails.
[00:40:34]  This is like mayhem, very dangerous.
[00:40:38]  You guys, I'll be back at 10 p.m.
[00:40:40]  Have a great night, everybody, and I'll see you at 10 p.m. on the Rita Cosby show.
[00:40:47]  Thanks for listening to The Stone Zone with Roger Stone.
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