The StoneZONE - Roger Stone - General Michael Flynn | 06-02-25
Aired: 2025-06-03
Duration: 23:05


=== Protecting Patient Care (15:03) ===

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[00:01:02]  And we're back in the Stone Zone.
[00:01:05]  Over the weekend, Ukraine launched a surprise attack on Russia on the eve of peace talks.
[00:01:13]  And in the wake of Senator Lindsey Graham and Senator Richard Blumenthal, you remember him, Don Nang Dick, the guy who lied about seeing combat in Vietnam when he was never even in Vietnam, visiting with Zelensky.
[00:01:30]  Here to help us break down the significance of this sneak attack and the entire dynamics of the situation is General Michael Flynn, a three-star general who served this country for more than 33 years in uniform.
[00:01:46]  He, of course, was the Director of Defense Intelligence and later the National Security Advisor to President Donald Trump.
[00:01:55]  He is one of the finest Christian gentlemen and leaders I have known in a 50-year career in American politics.
[00:02:03]  General Flynn, welcome to the Stone Zone.
[00:02:06]  Thank you very much, Roger, and I really do appreciate you, your audience, your great audience.
[00:02:11]  And the Stone Zone has been one of the really key voices out there, along with yours for the many, many years.
[00:02:19]  But the Stone Zone is just a terrific place to gather and listen to what's going on around the world.
[00:02:26]  We are honored to have you, by the way.
[00:02:28]  General Flynn has a new book out that you can pre-order.
[00:02:31]  It's called Pardon of Innocence.
[00:02:33]  It's an inspiring story of faith and freedom.
[00:02:36]  I urge you to go to Amazon and order that now.
[00:02:39]  I've already ordered my copy, even though the generals promised to sign one and send it to me.
[00:02:44]  General Flynn, let's go right to it.
[00:02:47]  Explain the significance of what happened this weekend in terms of this sneak attack.
[00:02:52]  The Ukrainians are calling it their Pearl Harbor.
[00:02:55]  Seems to me provocative in that with Lindsey Graham and Richard Blumenthal egging him on, not to mention our European allies, these people are desperate to start World War III.
[00:03:10]  Yeah, so first of all, I think just for your audience, what happened and the significance of it is that, you know, in the world of nuclear warfare, there's something called a triad.
[00:03:23]  And the triad, and we have it, and the Soviet Union or Russia, you know, had it, you know, back in when they were the Soviet Union.
[00:03:31]  They still maintain it.
[00:03:32]  And in that triad, you have bombers, a bomber fleet that can carry nuclear, advanced nuclear weapons.
[00:03:39]  You have a submarine fleet that fires nuclear submarine, nuclear missiles from the subs, you know, below the surface of the ocean.
[00:03:48]  And then you have missile-based intercontinental ballistic missiles.
[00:03:52]  Well, what the Ukrainians did, and apparently it's been planned for some time, they say as much as a year, year and a half, what they did was they took out a component of Russia's triad, which is really they destroyed about 50%, I'm told about 50% of their land-based bomber fleet.
[00:04:11]  And that land-based bomber fleet, by treaty, is supposed to be visible to both countries.
[00:04:18]  We are supposed to not have those hidden anywhere.
[00:04:20]  They're supposed to be visible because of treaty obligations.
[00:04:24]  They do get moved around every so often to just strategically shift those resources around, but the sensitive communications about where they're at at any given time is at the highest levels of our government.
[00:04:39]  So, this is a really serious target of things that the Ukrainians actually went after.
[00:04:46]  So, that's sort of a brief background on the triad, which is a really important component of both the U.S. and Russia's weapons systems and weapons capabilities.
[00:04:59]  The targeting now, the year and a half of planning that apparently the Ukrainians went through, the targeting had to be very, very specific.
[00:05:07]  And I do believe that Ukraine had to have outside intelligence, a foreign intelligence capability that probably supported their targeting to be able to get the right targeting,
[00:05:21]  to be able to secure the information, get the resources like these trucks with trailers and the various drones in place, and to maintain a level of secrecy and to get the capabilities where they were actually parked.
[00:05:39]  So, there had to have been a foreign influence there, foreign intelligence capability.
[00:05:44]  You know, it could be MI6, it could be Mossad.
[00:05:49]  I don't know.
[00:05:50]  I'm speculating a bit.
[00:05:51]  I think that that will come out.
[00:05:53]  I hope it's not the CIA because today, with the great, great media, the amount of media response to this globally, the president, the White House was asked if the President was aware of any of this, and he was not.
[00:06:10]  So, there was no, it does not appear that Ukraine forewarned him.
[00:06:14]  It does not appear that our intelligence community, at least from what the President said or what the White House has said about what the President knew, that there was any forewarning, which to me is a really egregious outcome.
[00:06:30]  For the President of the United States to not have advance warning for something that was planned for the better part of a year and a half that we probably fully funded, and to have two U.S. senators, as you mentioned up front, Roger, Graham and Denang Dick Blumenthal from Connecticut, to have said, to have been there the day prior, the day prior, and walked away, it's going to look like, and it's going to feel like,
[00:06:58]  from the standpoint of the Russians, that the U.S. was completely behind this.
[00:07:03]  And so, for the White House to say we don't know, or we didn't know, we didn't know about any of this, it just begs so many questions.
[00:07:12]  And so, from the Russians' perspective, the Russians' perspective is going to be that the U.S. is lying to us, and that's a tragedy, that there's no way in the world that two U.S. senators showed up the day before, that this has been going on for a year and a half, the in-depth planning that required an intelligence that was required.
[00:07:32]  The Russians are going to believe that there's no way in the world that the President of the United States did not know about the launch of this attack.
[00:07:42]  And I think you said it, the Russians are looking at this as their sort of their Pearl Harbor.
[00:07:47]  I wouldn't equate it to the Pearl Harbor because you're not talking about a great loss of life like we had during our exact Pearl Harbor, but certainly the loss of some very serious capabilities.
[00:07:59]  So where does that place us here in the United States?
[00:08:04]  The President of the United States is going to have to scramble right now to get his national security team together if they haven't already.
[00:08:11]  And they're going to have to spend quite a bit of time doing some soul searching.
[00:08:15]  And there's going to have to be a very, very precise message that President Trump is going to have to be prepared to give back to the world.
[00:08:27]  And it's going to have to be a very calculated message because we cannot have the President of the United States unaware of this level of attack, this level of planning, especially after we have spent close to $500 billion in Ukraine.
[00:08:45]  So if I were the President of the United States, if I were in that position and I grabbed everybody up, the national security team and brought them all into the situation room in the White House, I would want the heads of somebody.
[00:08:57]  I mean, if the President is going to sit there and say, hey, why wasn't I aware?
[00:09:01]  Where's this hundred billions of dollars, $100 million intelligence community that we have?
[00:09:08]  I'd be looking right at John Radcliffe over at the CIA.
[00:09:13]  I think Tulsi Gabbard has been doing some great, great work, and I really applaud her.
[00:09:17]  But I will tell you, Roger, that there is an undermining of Tulsi Gabbard that is going on inside of the United States intelligence community.
[00:09:26]  And I know this for a fact, and that of people and components inside of the USIC, because it's a big organization, that are undermining her.
[00:09:38]  And that is not a good thing.
[00:09:40]  And if we find out, and I would, if I were, again, if I were in the situation room, I would either recommend to the president, or if I were the president, I would direct the Department of Justice, I direct personally the Attorney General, to run an immediate investigation.
[00:09:55]  And I would want to know in days, not months, not years, in days, what did we know?
[00:10:01]  What did the intelligence community know?
[00:10:03]  And I would ask very specific people and offices with some very specific questions to get to the bottom of it.
[00:10:10]  Because the President of the United States, with all of the intelligence capabilities that the United States has, with the amount of money that we have spent, with the relationships that we're supposed to have with NATO and our other partners, and then certainly the President of Ukraine, Zelensky, with two U.S. senators showing up 24 hours prior for the White House to admit that they did not know.
[00:10:34]  That to me is just, I'm at a loss for words, and I'm not a guy to lose my words on something like this.
[00:10:43]  It's so outrageous.
[00:10:45]  And so President Trump is going to have to be very calculated.
[00:10:50]  Now, what is the United States, what else should the United States and the President start to prepare for?
[00:10:56]  We better make sure that our nuclear response capabilities are at least dusted off and that communications system is examined.
[00:11:08]  We better make sure that our forces over in Europe are ready because we have not only military forces over there, but we have a whole bunch of families to include my son and his family.
[00:11:18]  So I have a very personal stake in this.
[00:11:21]  I have a son that's stationed over in Europe.
[00:11:23]  So I would just tell you that there's a bunch of things that need to happen and they need to happen in a very short order.
[00:11:30]  For those that weren't paying attention to the peace talks that happened in Turkey today, they lasted about 45 minutes.
[00:11:38]  The readout from the Russians is actually much stronger than I would have thought, but I'm not surprised.
[00:11:46]  Erdogan, who was supposed to, I believe, was supposed to come to the United States, and I think I'm guessing a little bit on this, but I'm understanding that that's been canceled.
[00:12:01]  Or he was supposed to make a big statement about that.
[00:12:04]  That's been canceled.
[00:12:06]  So there's a lot of geopolitical dynamics that are occurring right now.
[00:12:11]  The United States, from my perspective, we've got some egg on our face, particularly with this recent visit by these two senators.
[00:12:17]  Russia is going to respond in a very significant way.
[00:12:22]  They have multiple scenarios that they could go ahead and apply.
[00:12:28]  We're going to have to be ready for all of them.
[00:12:31]  And certainly, one of the things that Trump is going to have to think about and consider and talk to the European NATO counterparts is to whether or not do we even continue to stay in NATO.
[00:12:42]  I mean, that's a question that has got to be put on the table.
[00:12:46]  If we're finding out that NATO allies are pushing us towards World War III, which is exactly what is happening, and I want your audience to understand that there is a military-industrial complex in NATO and in Europe as well, and they're tied hand in glove with the military-industrial complex that sits around Washington, D.C. in the beltway of the Virginia, Maryland area.
[00:13:07]  So they are working together, and it really feels like this is the start of a very, very serious world war.
[00:13:17]  And I haven't even mentioned the word China yet, because the greatest, the biggest beneficiary of all of this mess that we're in is China.
[00:13:28]  And China will benefit significantly if there is a war in Europe.
[00:13:33]  So let me stop there, Roger, if you have any questions.
[00:13:36]  Rural Americans deserve access to the best our nation has to offer, especially when it comes to health care.
[00:13:42]  Across every state and every community, America's rural hospitals are the first line of defense, protecting our families, neighbors, and loved ones.
[00:13:50]  No matter where you live, hospital care doesn't clock out.
[00:13:53]  They're there 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year.
[00:13:58]  Each year, America's over 5,000 hospitals care for millions of patients, providing 24-7 emergency care, delivering babies, cancer treatments, and other life-saving care that patients rely on.
[00:14:10]  Behind every one of those patients are doctors, nurses, and caregivers working tirelessly to keep people healthy and safe.
[00:14:16]  Hospitals are our community's lifelines.
[00:14:19]  They employ our neighbors and keep our families health.
[00:14:22]  But now, some in Congress are threatening access to care.
[00:14:25]  Tell Congress, protect patient care to keep America strong.
[00:14:30]  Don't cut rural health care.
[00:14:33]  If you're just tuning in, folks, we're talking to General Michael Flynn, served as National Security Advisor to President Donald Trump, a man who's served his country with distinction and honor for 33 years.
[00:14:45]  He has a new book out, Pardon of Innocence, an inspiring story of faith and freedom.
[00:14:50]  You can pre-order that in Amazon.
[00:14:52]  I highly recommend it to you because I think it will track his great documentary film, Flynn, which if you haven't seen, I highly recommend it to you.

=== Putin's Assassination Attempt (06:27) ===

[00:15:04]  What you say about Tulsi Gabbard, of course, is absolutely true.
[00:15:07]  Only a week ago, former CIA director John Brennan, the guy who orchestrated the Russian collusion hoax, in which they tried to destroy not only General Flynn, but myself, he said he was appalled, appalled that Tulsi Gabbard fired 100 people in the National Security staff who were not loyal to Donald Trump or his foreign policy policies or vision.
[00:15:33]  And earlier, she announced that she had actually referred some people to the Justice Department for leaking of classified documents.
[00:15:42]  We don't have the advantage of those names.
[00:15:44]  I think she's doing a terrific job.
[00:15:47]  She's doing great.
[00:15:48]  She's doing great.
[00:15:50]  And two others, I want to bring these up, too, because you're hitting on a really sensitive point here that we need to understand.
[00:15:56]  American people need to understand.
[00:15:57]  This is the deep state.
[00:15:58]  So Tulsi, about two months ago, also fired the director, a four-star general, Air Force General of the National Security Agency, and the deputy director of the National Security Agency, a civilian female, and forgive me, I forget her name, but a noble, I think.
[00:16:15]  I'm sorry, I think her name was Noble.
[00:16:17]  And these people were lying to her, and they were undermining her ability to properly advise the President of the United States.
[00:16:25]  So Tulsi is doing everything that she can.
[00:16:28]  I am concerned about the leadership over at the CIA, however, though.
[00:16:32]  All right.
[00:16:33]  If you're just tuning in, we're talking to General Michael Flynn.
[00:16:36]  We're talking about the latest developments in the Ukraine-Russian dispute and this sneak attack by the Ukrainians using drones to destroy part of the Russians' nuclear capability when they destroyed their bombers.
[00:16:50]  We'll be back with General Michael Flynn.
[00:16:52]  Whatever you do, don't touch that dial.
[00:16:54]  You're in the stone zone, and we'll be right back.
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[00:17:08]  And we're back in the Stone Zone.
[00:17:10]  We're talking with General Michael Flynn, a three-star retired general who was the national security advisor to President Donald Trump, a man who has persevered and survived the slings and arrows of the deep state who are now trying to drive us into nuclear war.
[00:17:28]  General Flynn, I thought it was amazing that about a week ago, you saw this in an interview.
[00:17:34]  No one told the president about an assassination attempt on Vladimir Putin when they attacked his helicopter.
[00:17:42]  The president seemed unaware of that.
[00:17:44]  Inconceivable to me that his national security team would not have told him that.
[00:17:48]  Now, as you point out, the White House admits that he was unaware of this Ukrainian sneak attack on the Russians on the eve of the peace talks, which they clearly were seeking to undermine.
[00:18:01]  Appears that they have done that.
[00:18:02]  As you point out, the talks happened today and they lasted only a short 45 minutes.
[00:18:07]  So, General Flynn, what do we need to be doing in this country to prepare?
[00:18:11]  Okay, okay, great, great.
[00:18:13]  I appreciate you allowing me to jump into that part.
[00:18:16]  On the domestic home front, you know, first of all, I want, imagine any one of our big bomber bases having the exact same thing done to them, right?
[00:18:26]  I mean, the Chinese are here in our country.
[00:18:29]  We know of 300,000 illegal military-age men that came across during the Biden administration and this illegal invasion.
[00:18:37]  We know about China purchasing real estate by many of our military bases.
[00:18:42]  I mean, so don't think that this couldn't happen here.
[00:18:44]  This is not about, you know, lining up on the Mexican border or the Canadian border.
[00:18:49]  They're already here.
[00:18:51]  So domestically, our military readiness is going to have to go to a much higher level of alert.
[00:18:57]  I'm sorry.
[00:18:58]  And it's going to cause some angst amongst the population in this country because Pete Hegseth is going to have to take all of his commanders together and examine the home front here, particularly Northern Command, which is based out of Colorado, that looks at the home front.
[00:19:15]  He's going to have to work very closely with Christy Noam over at the Secretary of Homeland Security.
[00:19:20]  Homeland Security is going to have a role here.
[00:19:22]  So we have to make sure that we're not caught unprepared if the Russians decide to do something really extreme.
[00:19:30]  We're sort of in a place right now where we have to plan all kinds of scenarios, all types of options, and we have to be ready.
[00:19:38]  And this gets back to the fact that the president of the United States was not aware of what just happened over in Russia.
[00:19:51]  And this isn't the first time that this isn't the first time that the president wasn't aware of something.
[00:19:56]  This is a real lick on our intelligence community and, frankly, on our partners who we share a lot of intelligence with.
[00:20:03]  I mean, you know, just recently he was asked about the assassination attempt on Putin, and he said, I wasn't aware of it.
[00:20:11]  I mean, there's something broken in the system.
[00:20:15]  And really, the place to stick your finger on is at the CIA, because the CIA is responsible for that type of intelligence and should be up to the DNI.
[00:20:25]  I know the DNI, Tulsi Gabbard, is doing all that she can to do some structural things within the whole of the structure of the Intel community.
[00:20:34]  These other agencies have to be providing and doing the intelligence work on a daily basis to provide that kind of intelligence and information to the President of the United States.
[00:20:43]  But, you know, world leaders are going to need to realize that the global implications to the operation that the Ukrainians just pulled off have significant consequences.
[00:20:55]  And, you know, Russia will respond.
[00:20:57]  And I like to use the phrase action, reaction, counteraction.
[00:21:01]  That's warfare.
[00:21:02]  Those are the shifting tides of warfare.
[00:21:05]  And I don't consider this a bold action.
[00:21:09]  This was a brash action by Zelensky.
[00:21:12]  It is, to me, it is short-term, and it's a short-term victory.
[00:21:16]  They're going to feel good about it, you know, within his inner circle.
[00:21:19]  But this could turn into one of the world's long-term losses, and we may find ourselves in a much bigger war, a war that we have a much, much harder time extracting ourselves from.

=== Shifting Tides of Warfare (01:34) ===

[00:21:31]  So I appreciate you allowing me on your great show with your great audience today.
[00:21:35]  All right.
[00:21:36]  There you have it, folks.
[00:21:37]  General Michael Flynn with the inside story on these latest developments between Russia and Ukraine.
[00:21:44]  For those who listen to us here in the Stone Zone, until we meet again, God bless you and Godspeed.
[00:21:50]  And above all, pray for President Donald Trump.
[00:21:54]  Pray that he has wisdom.
[00:21:55]  Pay for his protection and pray that he can make peace.
[00:21:59]  The greatest single title that history can bestow is that of peacemaker.
[00:22:05]  Trump was elected as the peace candidate, but the dogs of war are trying to push him into nuclear war, as General Flynn just told us.
[00:22:12]  Until tomorrow, again, God bless you and Godspeed.
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