The StoneZONE - Roger Stone - The Stone Zone | 05-01-25
Aired: 2025-05-02
Duration: 38:20


=== Preventing Pandemics Through Research Reform (11:54) ===

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[00:00:25]  Welcome.
[00:00:26]  You are entering the Stone Zone with me, your genial host, Roger Stone.
[00:00:33]  The big news of the day, National Security Advisor to President Donald Trump, Mike Waltz, has stepped down from that position, but is now being nominated by President Trump to be the UN Ambassador.
[00:00:46]  Here to talk about that and other items in breaking news.
[00:00:49]  Jack Bisobic, who is the senior editor at Human Events and the host of Human Events Daily, which has more than 250 million downloads.
[00:00:59]  Jack is a veteran U.S. Navy intelligence officer with deployments to Guantanamo Bay and East Asia.
[00:01:06]  He's also very active in the Roman Catholic Church and a longtime friend of mine.
[00:01:12]  Jack, welcome into the Stone Zone.
[00:01:15]  Roger, thanks again for having me on.
[00:01:17]  Quite an interesting day.
[00:01:19]  So what do you make of this?
[00:01:21]  In the wake, of course, of SignalGate, that was the signal thread that became very, very public when Mike Waltz either intentionally or inadvertently added a critic from the Atlantic magazine to the thread, a scandal that the Democrats tried to blow out of proportion.
[00:01:44]  The same Democrats who had no problem whatsoever with Hillary Clinton sending classified information over an illegal computer server, even though there was no classified information disclosed in this highly publicized thread, people immediately started screaming not for the head of Mike Walsh, but for the head of Secretary of Defense, Pete Hegseth.
[00:02:08]  In fact, National Public Radio falsely claimed that Hegseth's resignation was minutes away.
[00:02:16]  That turned out to be false.
[00:02:17]  What do you make of all this, Jack?
[00:02:19]  Well, Roger, it's clear from this move that partially I would say it goes towards the signal situation, but for quite some time, President Trump has been making or sending out signals that he wanted to have some change up for the national security team.
[00:02:37]  And one thing that Vice President Vance, of course, is pointing out, and he had an interview just a few minutes ago with Brett Baer, is that, look, he's actually been promoted to UN ambassadorship.
[00:02:51]  Now, of course, Roger, this goes all the way back to the Halcion days of the transition, when, of course, there were a few people pointing out that when President Trump was making nominations from the House, that would leave various seats open, particularly that of Elise Stefanik up in New York.
[00:03:13]  That's why after the Waltz race came down in Florida, Elise's race essentially, well, it never happened because her nomination was pulled, which left that open slot at the UN ambassadorship.
[00:03:28]  So the idea then became, well, this could perhaps be an elegant way to tie the knot, thread the needle, to have Waltz retake that position.
[00:03:37]  Now, of course, his seat has already been filled down in Florida.
[00:03:40]  Elise stays back in the House, and then Rubio comes over.
[00:03:44]  And I'm told this will be for a time maintain this position of the National Security Advisor and Secretary of State, which, of course, goes back to the days of Henry Kissinger, who performed the same role jointly under both Nixon and later the Ford administration, a role that he was able to use really to wield considerable power over the foreign policy infrastructure.
[00:04:11]  And something, quite frankly, that I think perhaps Marco Rubio working with President Trump will be able to do to great effect because the foreign policy establishment that as it's run out of the State Department needs to be brought to heel.
[00:04:24]  And I certainly hope that that is the goal put forward.
[00:04:28]  Now, one of the names that we've also heard being potentially, although I hear he's not into it, is Steve Witkoff, of course, the President's best friend and personal envoy, and many of these special envoys from many of these hotspots around the world.
[00:04:42]  Rick Grinnell is another name that's gone around.
[00:04:45]  Sebastian Gorka, who's already serving on the National Security Council in a counterterrorism perspective, or perhaps other individuals that have been involved in the negotiations like Michael Anton have also been suggested.
[00:04:57]  So it really is an interesting situation, Roger.
[00:05:00]  And I think that the president, ultimately, it comes down to this.
[00:05:03]  The president is focused on his diplomatic agenda, the agenda of using sanctions, deals, and diplomacy, not bombs and bullets and missile strikes, to enact American foreign policy, a change from the neoconservative, neoliberal agenda of the past.
[00:05:23]  Yeah, I totally agree.
[00:05:24]  One of the other interesting things that kind of got shifted to the side was not only did Walsh resign his position, but Alex Wong, his chief deputy, the assistant national security, I guess it would be deputy national security advisor, also losing his post.
[00:05:40]  Now, he, based on his background, is a hardcore neocon, I believe, actually a holdover from the Biden days.
[00:05:47]  I think that is very significant.
[00:05:49]  One other name that I would suggest that the president look at is a retired four-star General Charles Flynn, the brother of Michael Flynn, who very recently resigned as the head of the Pacific Fleet, a position that he held under Presidents Biden and Trump, very respected in both the military and the intelligence community.
[00:06:13]  I think he would be an excellent choice in terms of his position.
[00:06:18]  I also think it's interesting in today's news that Tulsi Gabbard announced that she would be essentially opening an investigation into the actions of Dr. Anthony Fauci.
[00:06:35]  Now, Fauci very clearly, if you listen to his testimony before the Senate under questioning from Senator Rand Paul, he clearly lied under oath about his knowledge regarding the creation of COVID-19.
[00:06:51]  Let's listen to Tulsi Gabbard.
[00:06:55]  But the thing that we are working with Jay Bhattacharya, the new NIH director on with, as well as Secretary Kennedy, is looking at the gain of function research that, in the case of the Wuhan lab, as well as many of these other biolabs around the world, was actually U.S. funded and leads to this dangerous kind of research that, in many examples,
[00:07:23]  has resulted in either a pandemic or some other major health problem.
[00:07:29]  Let me ask you specifically, because we already know that EcoHealth Alliance was partnering with this Wuhan lab to create, to do gain of function reset.
[00:07:37]  We just have never been able to have somebody say, and it was that exact experiment that led to this COVID bug.
[00:07:44]  But have we gotten there?
[00:07:46]  What's the new thing that you're digging in on?
[00:07:48]  We are working on that with Jay Bhattacharya and look forward to being able to share that hopefully very soon.
[00:07:54]  Okay.
[00:07:55]  That specific link correct between the gain of function research and what we saw with COVID-19.
[00:08:01]  I mean, that would be extraordinary because, just so the audience knows, if that's true, if it was Peter Dasik's research with the Wuhan so-called fat lady that caused this pandemic, then we did fund it.
[00:08:10]  Then Anthony Fauci helped fund the pandemic.
[00:08:13]  Things that are being denied over and over and over to Senator Rand Paul's questioning.
[00:08:19]  That's right.
[00:08:20]  Under oath.
[00:08:21]  Under oath, exactly.
[00:08:22]  So is it any wonder that he sought a preemptive pardon for anything during a certain period of time by President Biden before he left office?
[00:08:33]  And then strong-armed and smeared people like Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, anybody who came out and said, I don't know if that's natural.
[00:08:42]  This actually smacks of lab.
[00:08:44]  And the reason why this is so important is not just what happened in the past.
[00:08:49]  It's because this gain of function research is happening in biolabs around the world.
[00:08:54]  I got attacked, and I think you saw this, we've probably talked about on your show before, when I warned against U.S.-funded biolabs in Ukraine when the Russia-Ukraine war kicked off for this very reason.
[00:09:06]  Who knows what kinds of pathogens are in these labs and if released, could create another COVID-like pandemic.
[00:09:13]  And for that, I was called a Russian asset.
[00:09:16]  You're, you know, trumpeting Putin's talking points, all of this nonsense, simply for speaking the truth and stating facts.
[00:09:24]  That by the way, are still on U.S. Embassy Ukraine's website today about how the U.S. has funded these biolabs in Ukraine.
[00:09:32]  But in order to, my point is, in order to prevent another COVID-like pandemic or another major health incident that could affect us in the world, we have to end this gain of function research and provide the evidence that shows exactly why and how it's in our best interest, the American people's best interest, to bring about an end to it.
[00:09:54]  Telsi Gabbard there dropping bombs.
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[00:10:03]  We're going to ask him about whether Dr. Fauci is really going to face justice and we'll revisit that question about the bioweapons labs that the Biden administration ultimately admitted were across Ukraine when we come back.
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=== Tulsi Gabbard's Future? (04:44) ===

[00:11:55]  Jack, the most interesting thing about that cut from Tulsi Gabbard, who I know you and I both admire and support, was her reference to the bioweapons labs in Ukraine, something that the Biden State Department official Victoria Newland blurted out in a congressional hearing, then tried to walk back unsuccessfully.
[00:12:17]  What did you make of that?
[00:12:19]  Well, Roger, I think this is something where Tulsi Gabbard and the Lieutenant Colonel there, who, as DNI, is not content to simply sit back and collect a paycheck and receive accolades or something like that.
[00:12:32]  She's continuing the same career path that you saw from when she was really to borrow a term from John McCain, a maverick.
[00:12:41]  She was a maverick Democrat.
[00:12:42]  She was someone who was willing to go rogue on things like radical Islam because she knew it was simply the truth, even when Barack Obama and the leaders of her own party didn't want her to say so.
[00:12:52]  And I think that's one of the many reasons that set her on the path at where she now lives in the Republican Party and is welcomed with open arms.
[00:13:01]  But this idea of looking at national security pictures and understanding the scope of the environment writ large for the American people is covered with so many lies by people like Newland, people like Fauci, and so many others who absolutely need to be investigated for the things that they have said to Congress.
[00:13:23]  Now, Newland, perhaps she's at least a little bit smarter than Fauci because she at least didn't lie about the bio labs when she was asked about it.
[00:13:32]  She admitted that there were labs, in fact, but said they were for research purposes only.
[00:13:37]  Fauci, on the other hand, definitively stated again and again to Senator Rand Paul that there was no gain of function experiments that were funded at the Wuhan lab by the U.S. government.
[00:13:50]  Now, we know that that was completely false.
[00:13:53]  And perhaps if it can be determined that Fauci did know about that at the time and there was a leak up, well, then perhaps there's something, there's some work for Pam Bondi and FBI Director Kash Patel.
[00:14:06]  You know, I must tell you, as a 50-year veteran of American politics, as well as a veteran of 13 national presidential campaigns, I've said it flatly.
[00:14:15]  I'll say it again.
[00:14:16]  I believe that Tulsi Gabbard will be the first woman president of the United States.
[00:14:20]  Not necessarily in 2028.
[00:14:23]  She's only 43 years old.
[00:14:24]  But I have rarely seen this level of not only principle, but charisma and communication skills.
[00:14:33]  I think she's doing an amazing job in her current position.
[00:14:37]  I noticed today in an interview with Megan Kelly, rather than playing that game of saying, no, no, no, I am not interested, she was very candid about the fact that, yes, she's very open to some point in the future being a candidate for president again.
[00:14:52]  I applaud that idea.
[00:14:54]  Look, I'm not trying to take away from any other prospective candidate.
[00:14:58]  That's the great thing about the Republican Party.
[00:15:00]  We've got a bench.
[00:15:01]  They have no bench.
[00:15:03]  Their bench is J.D. Pritzker.
[00:15:05]  He's the whole bench himself, if you know what I mean.
[00:15:10]  Well, that's right, Roger.
[00:15:11]  And in fact, Tulsi Gabbard was their bench at one point.
[00:15:15]  She was their rising star.
[00:15:17]  And rather than embrace her and embrace the star of power and embrace the power of this new populist movement, this new brand of politics that we see in America, much of which also, I would argue, goes across the aisle.
[00:15:31]  It is a bipartisan effort through the Maha movement and this new form of coalition politics that the Democrats easily could have outboxed the Republicans on at any point if they chose instead to drive these people like RFK, like Tulsi Gabbard and others out of their party and into the arms of Donald Trump's new Republican Party, which was formed specifically for this purpose.
[00:15:59]  Of course, President Trump himself, a former Democrat, Elon Musk, a former Democrat.
[00:16:03]  So many people have crossed over, and I really believe that the Maha movement is an indelible inflection point of that movement that is probably, if I were to say, the only movement in America that might actually be more popular than MAGA itself.
[00:16:22]  No question about that.
[00:16:23]  It also occurs to me, we still have no answer as to why, after Tulsi Gabbert essentially skunked Kamala Harris in a presidential debate, she was placed on a secret TSA watch list as a domestic terrorist.

=== A Video of Assault on Capitol Hill (06:27) ===

[00:16:40]  Here is someone who is a lieutenant colonel in the U.S. Army Reserve, a combat veteran of both Iraq and Kuwait, someone who served their country with distinction.
[00:16:50]  We still have no answer as to why the Biden administration put her on a watch list.
[00:16:57]  It's insulting to say the least.
[00:16:59]  If you're just tuning in, we're talking to Jack Pisobic, the senior editor at Human Events.
[00:17:04]  As I say, one of the most influential and respected young conservative voices in the country today.
[00:17:10]  Jack, you and your brother were assaulted by some Democrat thugs up on Capitol Hill.
[00:17:16]  When we come back, I want to ask you about that.
[00:17:19]  But there's a new propensity to advocate for violence among today's Democrats.
[00:17:25]  J.B. Pritzker, we spoke about a few minutes ago, saying that Republicans should not have a moment's rest.
[00:17:33]  Now, today, saying you should go to your congressman's office and demand that they do this, that, and the other thing.
[00:17:38]  This tendency towards violence is deeply disturbing.
[00:17:41]  When we come back, I'm going to ask Jack Pisovic what happened up on Capitol Hill when he was assaulted with his brother by Democrat thugs outside a rally run by Jamie Raskin.
[00:17:54]  So, whatever you do, folks, we'll be back with Jack Pesobic.
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[00:18:35]  He's a veteran U.S. Navy intelligence officer who had deployments at Guantranamo Bay in East Asia.
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[00:18:56]  Jack, you and your brother were assaulted by Democrat thugs on Capitol Hill this past week.
[00:19:03]  Tell us what happened.
[00:19:05]  Well, Roger, thank you so much.
[00:19:07]  And it was quite an interesting experience.
[00:19:09]  By the way, this one was actually just me.
[00:19:11]  My brother and I, that was up at the Eagles game back during the last season.
[00:19:17]  Actually, it was the game where Saquon Barkley performed his incredible reverse hurdle over the Jaguars and was able to go on into infamy.
[00:19:28]  But this time it was just myself.
[00:19:30]  I was waiting for my wife to pick me up at Union Station.
[00:19:34]  We were going off to the Susan B. Anthony List pro-life gala dinner with the folks at Glenn Story and the folks at Patriot Mobile.
[00:19:42]  And I came out and I saw a rally of some sort, a group of people wearing blue shirts that said federal workers matter.
[00:19:51]  And I ascertained it may be some sort of Democrat political union rally of some sort.
[00:19:57]  So I traveled over and I saw that they were listening to someone who was in the middle speaking, but I couldn't quite tell who it was because there wasn't a stage and the individual appeared to not be taller than any of the others in the group.
[00:20:10]  So I couldn't quite tell who it was.
[00:20:12]  I got closer and I found out that it was, in fact, Congressman Jamie Raskin, one of the points people for both President Trump's impeachments as well as the unconstitutional January 6th committee, which led to the lockup of 1,500 American patriots, including many members of the president's former administration, such as Dr. Peter Navarro, who is also currently in the administration.
[00:20:39]  And I went up to him and he started calling for people to protest.
[00:20:44]  He then also started claiming that somehow that this group of union workers and Jamie Raskin himself, these Democrats, were the representatives of the people and the voice of the people, to which I loudly challenged him on this.
[00:21:01]  And I said, if that's so, why did you lose the popular vote in the election?
[00:21:06]  Why did you lose seven out of seven of the swing states in the election?
[00:21:12]  And rather than respond to me, rather than have a conversation, Raskin then pointed to his thugs, pointed me out, started chanting, and sat back and watched as all of them proceeded to target me, to attack me, to physically accost me, punch, kick whatever they could to get me out.
[00:21:34]  And then eventually the Capitol Police arrived.
[00:21:37]  So let me get this straight.
[00:21:38]  Raskin didn't ask the crowd to stop assaulting you.
[00:21:42]  He essentially pointed you out in order to egg the crowd on.
[00:21:48]  That's exactly right.
[00:21:49]  There was no, and I've gone back, Roger, and I've watched this video myself.
[00:21:53]  So I have a video of this, and it's gone far online.
[00:21:56]  And Senator Mike Lee has tweeted out much to my appreciation, as well as Special Envoy Rick Renell.
[00:22:04]  But nowhere at any point in this video of this attack, they also stole my phone at one point.
[00:22:10]  They tried to stomp it, but I guess I have a good case and it was able to be protected.
[00:22:16]  They also opened up my backpack.
[00:22:18]  They tried to steal that, my work backpack, where I had a tablet and my St. Michael, the Archangel Rosary came out, and all of which were things that they were trying to take from me rather than, again, have any kind of conversation.
[00:22:33]  And nowhere on the video, Roger, does Raskin ever say, stop, don't do that.
[00:22:39]  Let him talk, let him speak, which is something, by the way, that President Trump and others have said at MAGA rallies when a left-winger type comes in.
[00:22:48]  You never see attacks like this.
[00:22:50]  But in this case, one inch, Scott Adams, the political commentator and writer of Dilbert, has actually commented and said, you know, I watched this video of Pesovic, and what's interesting is there's no conversation at all.
[00:23:02]  They immediately switch to violence.
[00:23:05]  They immediately choose violence.

=== Gulf of America Renaming Controversy (06:29) ===

[00:23:07]  And it seems that none of them had any problem with it whatsoever.
[00:23:12]  Yeah, I mean, with Adam Schiff no longer in the House, I now think Jamie Raskin is perhaps the greatest huckster, con man, and congenital liar in the House.
[00:23:22]  Leaked to a half dozen media outlets that the January 6th committee would prove absolutely that Roger Stone was involved in the planning of illegal activities on January 6th.
[00:23:33]  Of course, then he produced no evidence whatsoever because it's false.
[00:23:36]  In fact, any claim that I knew in advance about, participated in, or condoned any illegal activity on January 6th or any other date for that matter is absolutely false.
[00:23:48]  They did use AI very creatively in those hearings, but then, of course, they destroyed all the records from those hearings.
[00:23:57]  So we can't even go back and look at it.
[00:24:00]  I guess where I was confused regarding you and your brother, this has to do more with the creation of the Gulf of America.
[00:24:08]  Now, in all honesty, I go to a local Italian restaurant, and two days after the election, the Maitrey D there, a really nice guy, said to me, Boy, I got a great idea for the president.
[00:24:18]  He should change the name of the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of America.
[00:24:22]  Would you pass that on to him?
[00:24:24]  And I said, absolutely.
[00:24:25]  It's a terrific idea.
[00:24:26]  I'll pass it on.
[00:24:28]  Now, I forgot to do so, but now every time I go to the restaurant, he believes it was his idea.
[00:24:34]  And I'm not going to really disabuse him.
[00:24:36]  It could hurt his feelings.
[00:24:38]  But you and your brother actually played a key role in that very important renaming.
[00:24:43]  Tell us about it.
[00:24:44]  Well, Roger, it's a small footnote, if anything.
[00:24:48]  But this was the president's idea.
[00:24:51]  This was his concept by far.
[00:24:53]  He was the one that took it and took the bold action not only to rename the Gulf of America, rediscover, as some might say, or the Gulf of America, but he was the one who then required that members of the press pool, including the Associated Press, use the nomenclature or lose their privileged access to the Oval Office.
[00:25:17]  This was something where my brother, who lived in the Tampa area, was out on a wave runner one day after church and had visited Hogan's Hangout, which is down there in Clearwater, or St. Pete's, rather.
[00:25:30]  And he was out on the Gulf and said, you know, I think by next year, this will be called the Gulf of America in 2025.
[00:25:39]  And, of course, this is sort of playing on the joke of the 2025 project, Project 2025, and how Trump was going to be changing everything out there.
[00:25:48]  And he was having a great day.
[00:25:49]  And so I had remembered his tweet about a year later, now almost in December, January.
[00:25:58]  And when the discussion of the Panama Canal came up, I resurfaced my brother's tweet from back in 2024 and said, and you know what?
[00:26:09]  While we're at it, we're going to be renaming the Gulf of Mexico as the Gulf of America.
[00:26:14]  Well, as the president does, he follows me on through social.
[00:26:19]  And sure enough, a few days later, that's the very next thing that we saw.
[00:26:23]  And the Washington Post came and they were asking me about this.
[00:26:26]  And I said, no, this wasn't my idea at all.
[00:26:28]  I got it from my brother, Kevin.
[00:26:31]  Very, very cool.
[00:26:32]  So we've got about two minutes here before we have to go to break again.
[00:26:36]  But you were at the White House for a press briefing this week.
[00:26:40]  I really enjoyed watching.
[00:26:42]  The established media seems to be very offended that their monopoly has been broken and that the news press operation under Caroline Levitt is kind of opening the process to alternative voices.
[00:26:56]  Did you enjoy the experience and tell us what it was like?
[00:26:59]  Well, Roger, it was an incredible honor to be there in the new media room.
[00:27:02]  By the way, Roger, that room where Caroline is using these, and I don't know if everyone realizes this, that that's the same room that Joe Biden was using as his fake Oval office.
[00:27:14]  You remember the fake Oval Office, Roger, that they put him in?
[00:27:17]  So I suppose the Autopen was with the real president in the real Oval Office, but they would put Joe over there for these fake meetings.
[00:27:26]  And it's in a very nice room.
[00:27:27]  It's a very nice auditorium.
[00:27:28]  Of course, the White House, the stage is impeccable.
[00:27:32]  They've redecorated it, but it is not the Oval Office, certainly.
[00:27:36]  And being able to go there as a member of new media as well, and they're going to be holding a series of these, by the way.
[00:27:42]  So this certainly isn't the only one that's going to be on a rolling basis.
[00:27:46]  It shows the Trump administration's commitment to radical transparency.
[00:27:51]  And it's something where the old media, the dinosaur media, the legacy media just can't stand it because they're giving access to people who, by the way, in many cases, we have far more listeners, viewers, and watchers than any of this legacy media.
[00:28:09]  And the stories that they put out, things like that, obviously Tolkien Gabbard was talking about moments ago, lies about Ukraine, lies about COVID, lies about everything Anthony Fauci said.
[00:28:22]  No one is listening to them anymore.
[00:28:24]  So the White House understands which ways the wind is blowing.
[00:28:28]  They understand where the puck is going.
[00:28:30]  And I think it's a real honor to be able to go there.
[00:28:33]  And in fact, the question that I asked was in regards to this rise in leftist violence that we've seen, attacks on anyone who's a Tesla dealer, folks like Luigi Maggiani being championed by CNN and a former prominent Washington Post reporter named Taylor Lorenz.
[00:28:54]  By the way, the fundraiser for Luigi Maggioni at one point being shared out by Caitlin Collins of CNN.
[00:29:02]  You also see the embrace of these organizations like Trende Aragua or MS-13, both of which are criminal organizations.
[00:29:11]  MS-13, by the way, is explicitly satanic.
[00:29:14]  And so you bundle all of this together, and we have to realize that what we're dealing with now on the far left, but increasingly even in the mainstream left, is an embrace of political violence rather than the denouncing of it.
[00:29:28]  And of course, President Trump knows this better than anyone because two Democrats tried to kill him in the last presidential campaign.

=== Virginia Jaffrey's Suicide (07:54) ===

[00:29:37]  And we're going to talk about that when we come back with Jack Pesobic.
[00:29:40]  But first, we're going to take a quick break.
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[00:29:59]  We're talking to Jack Pisobic, Senior Editor at Human Events.
[00:30:03]  Jack, this past week it was reported that one of Jeffrey Epstein's victims, Virginia Jaffrey, who I actually interviewed for 12 hours of audio for my 2015 book, The Clintons' War on Women.
[00:30:18]  I also read every word of her sworn testimony.
[00:30:21]  I must tell you, she was the single most damning witness in terms of the interactions between Jeffrey Epstein and Bill Clinton.
[00:30:31]  It was reported that she committed suicide.
[00:30:35]  Having interviewed her, having read her testimony, having followed the story where she was hit by a bus several weeks ago, then specifically put out a statement saying that she was not in any way suicidal.
[00:30:49]  I, for one, don't believe that she committed suicide.
[00:30:52]  And now let's listen to what her father, Sky Roberts, said.
[00:30:56]  Tell me about your reaction when you heard that she'd taken her life.
[00:31:01]  Well, first of all, I couldn't even believe it.
[00:31:06]  I mean, I started crying right away.
[00:31:09]  I'm still crying.
[00:31:11]  I can't believe that this is happening.
[00:31:16]  It's just it's impossible.
[00:31:17]  And then for them to say that she committed suicide, there's no way that she did.
[00:31:22]  Somebody got to her.
[00:31:25]  Yeah, Jack, your view?
[00:31:29]  I mean, Roger, this just goes to show is another pattern of a strange suicide that's associated with Jeffrey Epstein.
[00:31:40]  Obviously, his own being completely occluded from the record, you know, no records found, no cameras found.
[00:31:52]  This is something where, as far as I know, there's also a strange car accident that happened to Virginia Juffree about one month prior to this that I don't think anyone has necessarily dug into much yet.
[00:32:08]  She claimed that her car collided with a bus that was traveling 70 miles an hour, and she was actually hospitalized at this point, and yet no police came to the scene.
[00:32:23]  Roger, these things are very strange, and this is something where we absolutely need not only the complete cooperation of the five eyes community, you're working with national security through our DNI, but of course with the FBI as well.
[00:32:41]  She's a U.S. citizen.
[00:32:43]  This is someone who absolutely needs to be investigated.
[00:32:46]  Although we've got to make sure that the individual investigators on this are specifically chosen by Dan Bongino and Cash Protel themselves.
[00:32:55]  Jack, I think somehow I think you may be confused.
[00:32:57]  You see, the security guards at the New York Metropolitan Correction Center, they just happened to be sleeping, and the security cameras were just not functioning that night.
[00:33:09]  But Bill Barr came out and told us to finally, don't worry, Jeffrey Epstein definitely committed suicide.
[00:33:16]  Even though one of the leading pathologists who examined Jeff Epstein said that there was no markings consistent with that finding.
[00:33:28]  I guess my biggest question here is a simple one.
[00:33:31]  The audio tapes and the hard drives that were removed from Jeffrey Epstein's safe at his palatial home in Manhattan, New York, from his ranch in New Mexico, from his island in the Virgin Islands, and lastly from his apartment in Paris.
[00:33:51]  Where are those hard drives?
[00:33:53]  Where are those videotapes?
[00:33:56]  It's a pretty simple question.
[00:33:58]  I continue to insist, look, there is no list per se.
[00:34:02]  His phone book, which I covered extensively in my book, The Clinton's War on Women, and the manifest of the FAA as to who was on his plane, dubbed the Lolita Express.
[00:34:15]  Everybody on those lists did not necessarily engage in misconduct, but whoever's on those tapes, whoever's on those hard drives or on those DVDs, did.
[00:34:27]  Now, I can understand why they wouldn't be released.
[00:34:30]  First of all, because they're probably graphic, if not pornographic, but also there's no reason to expose the victims.
[00:34:38]  But in this case, Virginia Juffray, who could have easily settled for $20, $30 million with Epstein, refused to do so, went forward with her lawsuit.
[00:34:50]  And now, sadly, I believe she has been murdered.
[00:34:55]  You know, Roger, this is something where those tapes, look, and I'll just put out there that if the FBI, and we know that the FBI confiscated those tapes early on after the arrest of Epstein, this is something where the tapes were left.
[00:35:12]  The lawyer was not given access.
[00:35:15]  They came in and suddenly, every time they go to look for them, the tapes are completely gone, or we're not told anywhere where they can be found.
[00:35:24]  It seems to me that those either were destroyed at one point, or Roger, they could have perhaps been squirreled out of the country somehow by perhaps some foreign intelligence service or even a non-state actor.
[00:35:38]  This is something where, again, we, of course, want to be able to protect the victims of the situation, but also individuals like Prince Andrew, of course, who was directly targeted by Virginia Jaffree and a number of interviews about this.
[00:35:53]  There's an excellent movie, by the way, about this with Julian Anderson starring that I thought was fantastic.
[00:35:59]  That Netflix, of course, did no marketing for whatsoever.
[00:36:04]  In fact, people don't even realize that there's an Epstein movie about Prince Andrew out there that gets into all of this.
[00:36:12]  If those documents do exist, Roger, I think we're going to have to scour the entire planet or documents or videos to find them.
[00:36:20]  As you well know, Epstein was first convicted in Florida, where the local prosecutor in Palm Beach County busted, handed a case for child sex trafficking, statutory rape, and worse, which should have ended Epstein in prison for life at a minimum, busted the charges down to simple solicitation.
[00:36:43]  And then that local prosecutor has his findings reviewed by Alberto Acosta, who is the U.S. Attorney for Miami and therefore South Florida, including Palm Beach County.
[00:36:58]  And he rubber stamps the state finding and he tries to seal the case.
[00:37:04]  So without a valiant fight by the Palm Beach Post, we would never have known what Epstein did.
[00:37:11]  And then when he was asked, when he was appointed Secretary of Labor under the first Trump administration, what he would say if he was asked about why he gave Epstein a pass, he confidently said, Well, I'm just going to tell the truth, that he was a CIA operative, and I was told to seal the case.
[00:37:29]  And there you have it.

=== Jack Pisobic's Truth (00:49) ===

[00:37:31]  All right, we have to wrap it up.
[00:37:32]  I want to thank my guest, Jack Pisobic, the senior editor at Human Events and host of Human Events Daily.
[00:37:39]  Where can folks see the Human Events Daily show?
[00:37:41]  Roger, thanks so much.
[00:37:42]  Well, of course, we're up on Real America's Voice.
[00:37:45]  We're also carried on podcasts and Spotify, so anyone can go and check it out if you miss an episode.
[00:37:51]  All right.
[00:37:52]  Thanks to my guest, Jack Pisobic, and to our friends out there listening to the zone.
[00:37:56]  God bless you, and Godspeed.
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