The StoneZONE - Roger Stone - The Stone Zone | 03-13-25
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=== Steve Bannon's Political Legacy (14:13) ===

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[00:00:40]  This is the Stone Zone with Roger Stone.
[00:00:44]  People love him and respect him.
[00:00:45]  Roger Stone.
[00:00:46]  Now, get him a zone.
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[00:00:55]  Welcome.
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[00:00:59]  And, well, here we talk politics, mostly politics and food.
[00:01:03]  We're going to talk a little politics.
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[00:01:08]  That number 800-848-9222.
[00:01:12]  Everything's on the table.
[00:01:14]  You know, there's an old saying in politics, you can't beat someone with no one.
[00:01:18]  Donald Trump cannot run for another term.
[00:01:22]  I do believe he's going to usher in a golden age of peace, prosperity, security, justice, and law and order for this nation.
[00:01:31]  But after four years, according to the Constitution, he cannot run again.
[00:01:36]  Constitutional actually says that no person can be elected to more than two terms.
[00:01:41]  It doesn't say two consecutive terms.
[00:01:44]  Grover Cleveland, a New Yorker, was elected.
[00:01:47]  Then Austria elected a disputed re-election fight, only to return to the White House.
[00:01:52]  Donald Trump, the only other president to do that.
[00:01:55]  I know Steve Bannon has said otherwise, but I think he's just trolling.
[00:02:00]  In fact, the Constitution says that if a person serves more than two years of a term that someone else was elected to, they can only run for one other term.
[00:02:11]  So Lyndon Johnson became president upon the death of JFK, could have run in, did run in 1964, was re-elected, could not run again in 1968.
[00:02:25]  The Democrats have a huge problem that they don't have anybody.
[00:02:29]  Gavin Newsom has the hair for a presidential campaign, but his record in California is abysmal.
[00:02:37]  You have skyrocketing crime.
[00:02:40]  You have Los Angeles and San Francisco, essentially the world's largest outdoor toilets.
[00:02:48]  You have skyrocketing taxes and monstrous problems.
[00:02:53]  I'm not sure what his slogan would be.
[00:02:55]  He'll do for America what he's done for California.
[00:02:59]  It's looking like California could actually go red.
[00:03:03]  A lot of strong potential candidates looking at a governor's race in the Golden State.
[00:03:11]  Then there's, of course, Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro, but he continues to be dogged by the case of a woman by the name of Ellen Greenberg.
[00:03:21]  Ellen Greenberg was stabbed to death 20 times, including 10 stab wounds on her back and her neck.
[00:03:29]  It is thought that her fiancé, Samuel Goldberg, who was a donor to Josh Shapiro, and whose family donated to Josh Shapiro, who was then the state's attorney general, was a suspect.
[00:03:46]  And in fact, Goldberg's uncle, a prominent Pennsylvania judge, actually gained entrance to the apartment where Greenberg was either murdered or committed suicide and removed a number of personal items, including laptops, telephones, and credit cards.
[00:04:08]  Nonetheless, Attorney General Josh Shapiro declared that death to be a suicide and closed the case.
[00:04:16]  There's an ongoing civil suit from the Greenberg family who doubt that.
[00:04:21]  But there's a new candidate now emerging.
[00:04:24]  Former Chicago mayor and Clinton political machine hatchetman Rah Emmanuel actually appears to be gearing up for a 2028 presidential run.
[00:04:33]  Emmanuel is hitting the media and speaking circuit with the message that Democrats must pivot back to the political middle.
[00:04:43]  Fresh off a stint as former President Joe Biden's ambassador to Japan, Emmanuel is appearing on podcasts while arguing that his party has become too focused on niche cultural and social issues like transgenderism.
[00:04:58]  He's got that right.
[00:04:59]  During a recent appearance on Bill Maher Show, I actually saw Emmanuel take the more progressive audience to task for catering to the far-left fringe issues.
[00:05:09]  In the seventh grade, if I had known I could have said the word they and gotten into the girls' bathroom, I would have done it, Emmanuel said.
[00:05:16]  Not a terribly funny joke.
[00:05:19]  There's also some discussion of ESPN broadcaster Stephen A. Smith, but Smith himself denies that he will be a candidate and says the fact that others are referring to him as a potential candidate shows how the Democrat Party is bankrupt and has, as they would say in the sports game, no bench.
[00:05:40]  This is a pretty pathetic primary field of Democrats, but there are persuasive operatives that the MAGA movement needs to take these threats somewhat more seriously.
[00:05:50]  Smith would actually be a better candidate than either Newsom, who recently had both Charlie Kirk and Steve Bannon on his show, or, of course, there is Kamala Harris.
[00:06:02]  There are many who believe that she'll run for governor of California, where Gavin Newsom is term limited for another shot at Casa Blanca.
[00:06:14]  We should be so lucky.
[00:06:16]  As far as the other potential candidate, Michelle Obama, who I incorrectly predicted would be drafted by the Democrats in the most recent election, I defend my prediction, by the way,
[00:06:30]  by pointing out the time lapse between the time that Joe Biden dropped out and Kamala cinched the nomination without the support of a single primary voter or caucus voter in a completely non-Democratic process and the time that the Obamas finally endorsed Kamala.
[00:06:51]  It is my belief that in that timeframe, Nancy Pelosi and former president Barack Obama were trying to convince Michelle Obama to cede to a draft.
[00:07:02]  I never said that Michelle Obama would run for president.
[00:07:05]  I said that I thought she would be drafted.
[00:07:08]  And in retrospect, I thought at the time that perhaps she would have been a stronger candidate than Kamala Harris.
[00:07:16]  She had, after all, no political record to attack.
[00:07:22]  But something is amiss.
[00:07:24]  She recently launched her new podcast called IMO.
[00:07:30]  And so far she has 12,000 subscribers.
[00:07:34]  You heard that right, 12,000.
[00:07:36]  This is somebody with 54 million followers on X, someone who has 48 million followers on YouTube, yet, and let me check this, 78 million followers on Instagram, yet she has only 12,000 followers on her new podcast, which was launched with extensive media fanfare.
[00:08:04]  Shows me that the folks out there are finished with Barack Obama.
[00:08:09]  Speaking of presidential runs, Steve Bannon says he's running for president.
[00:08:13]  Yes, you heard that right.
[00:08:16]  I don't think Steve is candidate material.
[00:08:19]  First, there is the fact that he recently pled guilty to stealing $15 million from the Build the Wall Foundation.
[00:08:29]  His two co-conspirators in that, both serving multi-sentenced federal time.
[00:08:36]  But strangely, a New York judge recently accepted a guilty plea from Bannon, but then sentenced him to no jail time.
[00:08:46]  Incredibly, in a politico interview, Bannon refused to rule out a presidential bid.
[00:08:52]  Now, people ask me, what's my beef with Bannon?
[00:08:55]  It's very simple.
[00:08:57]  As the New York Post reported, former White House strategist Steve Bannon gave sharply contradictory accounts under oath of his discussions with Roger Stone about WikiLeaks.
[00:09:08]  A review of the New York Post showed on January 16th, 2018, roughly five months after he left the White House, Bannon told members of the House Intelligence Committee repeatedly, under oath, that he and political operative Roger Stone, that would be me, never discussed Wikileaks or its boss, Julian Assange, at any time during their relationship.
[00:09:31]  That testimony was part of Adam Schiff's Russian collusion investigation, was finally declassified and made public on May 7th of 2020.
[00:09:42]  Bannon, 66, the former chairman of Breitbart News, said the exact opposite when he testified in my trial on November 8th, 2019.
[00:09:54]  When asked the exact same question, whether he had ever discussed the Julian Assange WikiLeaks or these allegedly stolen emails, he said, yes, Stone brought it up in every conversation we ever had.
[00:10:10]  Jonathan Turley, the George Washington University law professor, told the New York Post, there does appear to be a glaring and irreconcilable conflict in what Bannon stated in testimony under oath before Congress and what he stated under oath before the court.
[00:10:26]  What is striking is that this is not a peripheral point, but one of the main areas of inquiry.
[00:10:32]  Again, quoting Turley, he has two diametrically opposed sworn statements in a high-profile controversy with dozens of attorneys in attendance.
[00:10:43]  And therein lies my problem.
[00:10:46]  Now add to the fact that, well, Steve dresses like a hobo.
[00:10:51]  I think he chases down homeless people for his clothes, and I don't understand his aversion to soap and water.
[00:10:59]  Nonetheless, I am a Christian, and I have taken to heart the Bible's admonition that you must forgive but not forget.
[00:11:08]  So I have forgiven Steve Bannon for being a government witness and perjuring himself at my trial when they tried to frame me for non-existent Russian collusion.
[00:11:20]  Of course, when BuzzFeed sued the U.S. Justice Department and they finally released Robert Mueller's long-hidden, long-redacted final report, even Mueller could not sugarcoat the fact that he had found no evidence of Russian collusion, no evidence of WikiLeaks collaboration, or any other crime on my part.
[00:11:43]  The judge in my case, who said that she would not give us and my defense attorneys the entire Mueller report, said that she would read the entire report in her chambers and she would give us the relevant parts.
[00:11:55]  Unfortunately, she didn't give us that part, which completely and totally exonerated me.
[00:12:01]  So pardon me if I can't stop laughing about a Steve Bennon presidential candidacy.
[00:12:06]  I don't think it's real, folks.
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[00:13:44]  They went after a guy named Roger Stone who's sitting in the office.
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[00:13:49]  He's no baby.
[00:13:50]  And right now, he's cleaner than anybody in this place.
[00:13:54]  No, they treated him very unfairly.
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=== The Stone Zone (04:35) ===

[00:14:13]  Today, nearly 100 radical leftist protesters stormed Trump Tower.
[00:14:19]  They were handcuffed and loaded into New York Police Department buses.
[00:14:23]  The leftist lunatics were chanting Free Mahmood, protesting the deportation of their fellow Marxist demonstrator, Mahmoud Khalil.
[00:14:34]  Jewish Voices for Peace, a Marxist Jewish group that often advocates for radical Islamists, was the Boehner organization used to spearhead this protest.
[00:14:45]  The president and his family have a residence in Trump Tower.
[00:14:48]  To me, this behavior cannot be tolerated.
[00:14:51]  Hopefully, some of these protesters will follow in the path of their friend Mahmoud and end up getting deported.
[00:14:57]  Yesterday, Zorhan Mamdani, another Marxist Islamist, was foaming at the mouth while screwing me at Border Czar Tom Holman at the New York State Capitol.
[00:15:08]  Mamdami hates to see his fellow radicals deported.
[00:15:12]  If you ask me, we need to deport a lot more of them.
[00:15:15]  Speaking of that, President Donald Trump has indicated that he will invoke the Alien Enemies Act in order to expedite and dramatically increase the speed of mass deportations.
[00:15:28]  Now, just to put this into perspective, during his presidency, President Barack Obama deported 2.4 million illegals, all the way back to Dwight Eisenhower in the very first year of his first term, he deported 1.3 million.
[00:15:46]  Joe Biden used to say, well, I just don't have the authority.
[00:15:48]  We need new laws.
[00:15:50]  Now, we've always had the laws.
[00:15:52]  What we needed was the will.
[00:15:55]  Remember when they told us, well, Trump refused to support the Lankford Bill, a name for Senator James Lankford of Oklahoma.
[00:16:06]  But the Lankford Bill, in fact, was not a border security bill.
[00:16:11]  It provided a lot of funding for the processing of two and a half million illegals who would have been grandfathered under the act.
[00:16:21]  President Trump is now expected to invoke the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 in the next couple days, and that, we are told, will increase the speed of mass deportations.
[00:16:31]  This law is a wartime authority, meaning the U.S. military will likely be involved.
[00:16:37]  On the campaign trail in October, President Trump told voters he would do exactly this.
[00:16:42]  Quote, I will be invoking the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 to target and dismantle every migrant and criminal network operating on American soil.
[00:16:52]  We call it Operation Aurora.
[00:16:55]  And if they come back into our country, it's an automatic 10 years in jail with no possibility of parole.
[00:17:01]  President Trump has repeatedly shown that he's serious about rapidly increasing deportation numbers, and this may just be the action he needs to get those numbers up.
[00:17:12]  Meanwhile, we are moving towards peace.
[00:17:17]  You have a ceasefire agreed to by the Ukrainians, now agreed to by the Russians.
[00:17:23]  Meanwhile, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky sent an apology letter to President Trump for his behavior at the White House.
[00:17:31]  Zelensky displayed a true lack of gratitude for the $350 billion of support the United States has given him while he met with President Trump and vice president.
[00:17:45]  My personal beef, in all honesty, is we gave this guy $350 billion.
[00:17:52]  Why can he not wear a suit and tie when he sees the president of the United States?
[00:17:57]  He wore a suit and tie when he addressed the World Economic Forum.
[00:18:02]  I don't understand why he can't wear a suit and tie when he addresses a joint session of Congress.
[00:18:08]  It is disrespectful to the President of the United States.
[00:18:12]  It's also disrespectful to the taxpayers who have funded this war.
[00:18:17]  Thanks to President Trump, Zelensky has now changed his tune on continuing the war and has agreed to a ceasefire.
[00:18:23]  Meanwhile, President Trump has threatened the Russians with bank sanctions, sanctions, and tariffs if they don't come to the table.
[00:18:31]  There's one thing Donald Trump understands.
[00:18:33]  It is the art of the deal.
[00:18:35]  And he clearly knows in order to negotiate peace, well, it takes two to tango.
[00:18:40]  I predict that Donald Trump will end this war and he will win the Nobel Peace Prize, which frankly he will so richly deserve.

=== Voting Rights Debate (15:24) ===

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[00:19:26]  Welcome back.
[00:19:27]  You're back in the Stone Zone.
[00:19:29]  This is the segment I call the Stone Zone on the phone because you can call us at 800-848-9222.
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[00:19:46]  Let's go to Jeffrey in New Jersey.
[00:19:48]  Jeffrey, you've entered the Stone Zone.
[00:19:51]  Welcome.
[00:19:52]  I'd like to ask a question.
[00:19:54]  Some blue state, they gave driver's license to illegal agents.
[00:19:59]  Is it possible that some people were able to get certificates because the bureaucracy has been controlled by the Democrats before?
[00:20:11]  I think that I saw a great interview with Elon Musk with Joe Rogan.
[00:20:17]  I think that was kind of the plan.
[00:20:19]  In the state of Florida, for example, you can get a driver's license without a birth certificate, and that you can then take that driver's license and use it to register to vote.
[00:20:32]  So I think it is possible.
[00:20:33]  You had a substantial number of people who voted in the most recent election who were not citizens.
[00:20:38]  Now, in New York, for example, it is currently legal for non-U.S. citizens to vote in state and local elections.
[00:20:48]  This makes very little sense to me.
[00:20:50]  But I think ultimately, had Hillary Clinton won in 2016, the idea was to change the entire makeup of the electorate by essentially legalizing and giving citizenship status to those who were in the country, making it impossible to win any of the swing states.
[00:21:09]  So I think that the real issue is twofold.
[00:21:13]  One, in the census, we clearly counted people who were not U.S. citizens, and we used that count for the effort to determine the new congressional districts in both the House and Senate, the redistricting.
[00:21:33]  I think the entire census should be thrown out, and that President Trump should call on Commerce Secretary Howard Luttnick to reconduct the census, counting only U.S. citizens.
[00:21:45]  That would be a step in the right direction.
[00:21:47]  Then I agree with President Trump.
[00:21:49]  We need to return to paper ballots.
[00:21:51]  If the French can count 38 paper ballots in one day, we surely can do the same thing.
[00:21:59]  And it should be one day.
[00:22:00]  We should not still be counting votes three weeks after the election.
[00:22:05]  I wrote a piece for the Hill newspaper in 2016, in which I complained that I thought that these computerized voting machines, which are really very primitive computers, are easily hacked and manipulated.
[00:22:19]  And I was attacked by Hillary Clinton and her campaign.
[00:22:22]  How dare I question the sanctity of your elections?
[00:22:25]  But then after she lost and she filed for recounts in Michigan and Pennsylvania, when it came time for her to make her specific case, she argued that, well, the computerized voting machines had been hacked and manipulated.
[00:22:39]  Can't have it both ways.
[00:22:41]  Jeffrey, thank you for your call.
[00:22:44]  JJ from New Jersey, you say that small businesses are hurting from Trump policies.
[00:22:49]  Let's hear what you have to say.
[00:22:51]  Yes, Mr. Stone.
[00:22:52]  Good evening.
[00:22:53]  We have 53 million small businesses in this country, and we're getting zero help out here to get any kind of financing to keep us afloat until Mr. Trump's great plans come into fruition.
[00:23:08]  Basically, we got no way of borrowing money from banks.
[00:23:11]  We have 20 or less employees.
[00:23:14]  We make up 45% of all hires.
[00:23:17]  See, I go on these shows, hoping that the president's listening.
[00:23:20]  We're dying out here.
[00:23:21]  I'm not even complaining about the tariffs because I know with time that'll all level out.
[00:23:27]  But right now, we can't go to a bank.
[00:23:29]  The SBA looks at us and laughs.
[00:23:32]  But yet, when big corporations need our money, we give them as many billions as they need.
[00:23:38]  Same with banks.
[00:23:40]  They don't go into their pockets like I have to and put back the money they've made over the years.
[00:23:45]  No, we, the people, hand them billions of dollars.
[00:23:49]  But yet, we, the people, can't get any help.
[00:23:52]  There was a poor woman in North Carolina that lost her body shop, okay?
[00:23:57]  And she went to the SDA and they basically denied her like four times.
[00:24:01]  So why are we paying taxes to help all these big corporations, but nobody's helping us?
[00:24:07]  Let me ask you a question, if I may.
[00:24:09]  The Treasury Department just did away with this requirement that small businesses, I mean, really small businesses, were required to file extensive paperwork about their ownership.
[00:24:20]  My wife and I have owned the same small company for 15, 20 years, yet we had, you know, 45 pages of paperwork we had to fill out.
[00:24:29]  The Treasury Department's now done away with that.
[00:24:31]  I think that is a huge plus.
[00:24:33]  I don't disagree with you about the fact that the government should not be bailing out multi-billion dollar corporations.
[00:24:40]  Seems to me that lower energy prices and lower taxes would be good for small business as well.
[00:24:48]  I think one of the previous shows said exactly this, which is you're going to have some dislocation.
[00:24:53]  Two years into Reagan's presidency, they said, well, his tax cuts has caused a massive deficit.
[00:25:00]  When in fact, his tax cuts caused federal revenues to go up every year of his presidency.
[00:25:06]  It was the combination of wild spending and, frankly, printing press money that caused the inflation and the deficits.
[00:25:17]  If Elon Musk is successful, and I think he will be, in identifying not millions, not billions, but trillions of dollars of waste, fraud, and corruption, and that spending can get zeroed out of the budget, a balanced budget and lower inflation and a stronger dollar would benefit all Americans, including small businesses.
[00:25:40]  JJ, thanks for calling into the Stone Zone.
[00:25:42]  We appreciate your call.
[00:25:44]  Sal, out in New Jersey.
[00:25:46]  Sal, what's up?
[00:25:48]  Hello, Mr. Stone.
[00:25:49]  Thank you for taking my call.
[00:25:50]  Mr. Roger, we should deport each and every one of those Palestinian protesters because they will become the future Mahmoud Khalils, the Mahmoud Khalils of the future, because they're a bunch of reprobates.
[00:26:04]  And what's going to happen is they're going to become the professors and the teachers of the future.
[00:26:09]  They're going to indoctrinate our children and teach them how to hate America, how to hate Jews, how to hate Israel, how to hate Western civilization.
[00:26:17]  We've got to be careful.
[00:26:19]  We have to do our best to maybe look into all their records and deport all of them as much as possible.
[00:26:26]  I think you raise an excellent case.
[00:26:28]  I don't believe, I believe in free speech, but I believe in free for U.S. citizens.
[00:26:32]  This idea that Mahmoud Khalil has constitutional rights is absurd.
[00:26:36]  He's not a U.S. citizen.
[00:26:39]  And I think if you're here preaching violence, particularly, that you should be deported.
[00:26:43]  I do think that Tom Homan, who is one tough customer, I know him well, is the right man for this job.
[00:26:51]  And I also think he's been wise to prioritize the deportation of violent criminals and people who are terrorists.
[00:26:58]  But let's be realistic.
[00:27:00]  We had an open border for four years.
[00:27:02]  Our border policy was no border policy.
[00:27:06]  If you talk about not just the number of terrorists, number of people with criminal records, but also the extraordinary number of weapons that were smuggled into the country, in addition to drugs, obviously, causing a fentanyl crisis, causing a crime spike, but also causing massive fiscal problems for counties and states because many states, New York being one of them,
[00:27:34]  requires that the state provide social services who are here to people who are here illegally, sometimes to the detriment of American citizens who had their social services cut.
[00:27:46]  So President Trump, I think, is going to bring this back into balance.
[00:27:52]  And I think he is doing exactly what he said he was going to do.
[00:27:56]  That's why I don't understand why the left and the Democrats are so apoplectic and so wild.
[00:28:01]  Everything that he said he was going to do, he's doing right now.
[00:28:07]  These are not surprises.
[00:28:09]  So, for example, his invocation of the Alien Enemies Act of 1798, he said this on the campaign stump.
[00:28:16]  He said in October that he would do exactly this: invoke the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 to target and dismantle every migrant and criminal network operating on American soil.
[00:28:30]  Even gave it a name, Operation Aurora.
[00:28:33]  So he's doing exactly what he said he would do.
[00:28:36]  Let's go to Robert in Suffolk County.
[00:28:39]  Folks, the number, once again, 800-848-9222, 800-848-9222.
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[00:28:51]  Robert, welcome into the Stone Zone.
[00:28:54]  Thank you.
[00:28:54]  Good evening, Roger.
[00:28:56]  I believe that ranked choice voting is unconstitutional.
[00:28:59]  You are choosing from a slate of candidates more than one person to vote for.
[00:29:07]  On its face, that has to be violating the one-person, one-vote rule.
[00:29:14]  You make an excellent point.
[00:29:16]  My friend, the criminal defense lawyer and constitutional scholar David Schung, has filed a lawsuit on behalf of plaintiffs in California challenging their jungle primary system, which is very similar.
[00:29:30]  This is where all candidates of all parties run in one election, multiple Republicans, multiple Democrats.
[00:29:38]  And just based on a quick examination, no minor party candidate ever makes the final two.
[00:29:44]  Ranked choice voting, I wrote a long piece about this.
[00:29:48]  You can find it at The Stone Zone.
[00:29:50]  I make the exact same point, which is you're not electing the person who got the most votes.
[00:29:56]  This keeps going as many rounds as necessary until the establishment gets their choice.
[00:30:01]  So, for example, Senator Murkowski, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, by the way, she became a senator.
[00:30:10]  Her father was the U.S. Senator.
[00:30:12]  Then he got elected governor.
[00:30:13]  Then he resigned from the Senate seat, was sworn in as governor.
[00:30:16]  Then he appointed his daughter, Lisa Murkowski, to be the senator.
[00:30:20]  And she has stayed there and been re-elected now repeatedly without ever getting a majority of the vote on the first round.
[00:30:27]  So ranked choice voting, which is now in place in New York as well as Alaska, I think it is unconstitutional.
[00:30:34]  We need to go back to the idea that the candidate with the most votes wins, period.
[00:30:40]  Thanks very much, Robert, for your call.
[00:30:43]  Brian in Clarion, Pennsylvania, you're on the line.
[00:30:46]  We got about two and a half minutes.
[00:30:48]  Brian, what's on your mind?
[00:30:50]  Thank you, Mr. Stone.
[00:30:52]  Over the Biden administration, I've been thinking a lot about all these treasonous acts.
[00:30:59]  Do we still have treason laws that could be charged and carried out with severe penalty?
[00:31:06]  I think of the January 6th committee when documents were destroyed.
[00:31:11]  And there's so many examples.
[00:31:13]  I can hardly come up with any more.
[00:31:15]  But I mean, why aren't we seeing charges of treason against people who carry out seditious acts against the United States?
[00:31:28]  We certainly do have laws against treason.
[00:31:30]  The Russian collusion hoax is the greatest treasonous abuse of power in American history.
[00:31:36]  It is nothing less than the use of the full authority of the United States government and the extraordinary capabilities of our intelligence agencies utilizing two pieces of what they knew was false evidence, the steel dossier, and the false claim that the Russians had acted the DNC to try to remove a duly elected president.
[00:31:57]  It is most definitely a treasonous act.
[00:32:00]  Now, Joe Mike.
[00:32:02]  Why haven't we seen charges brought against these people?
[00:32:06]  I think upon conviction, isn't it death by firing squad?
[00:32:14]  I'm not sure it's firing squad, but it is capital punishment for someone who is convicted of treason.
[00:32:19]  Look, Pam Bondi has been the Attorney General of the United States for less than two months.
[00:32:24]  Donald Trump's been the president for less than two months.
[00:32:27]  We shall see whether the scales of justice will indeed be rebalanced and whether anybody will be held responsible for what had to be the greatest single abuse of power in American political history.
[00:32:40]  Folks, you're tuned in to the Stone Zone.
[00:32:42]  We're going to come back and take more of your questions at 800-848-9222.
[00:32:47]  That's 800-848-9222.
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[00:32:53]  be back to take your questions your calls when we come right back this is the stone zone with Roger Stone They went after a guy named Roger Stone who's sitting in the office.
[00:33:16]  And I'll say this in front of Roger.
[00:33:18]  He's no baby.
[00:33:18]  And right now, he's cleaner than anybody in this place.
[00:33:22]  No, they treated him very unfairly.
[00:33:25]  Now, give him a zone.
[00:33:27]  It's the Stone Zone.
[00:33:29]  Here's Roger Stone.
[00:33:32]  And you're back in the Stone Zone.
[00:33:35]  The Stone Zone on the phone, that number 800-848-9222.
[00:33:41]  Let's go to, I think it's Joaquin in Pennsylvania.
[00:33:45]  Joaquin, welcome to the Stone Zone.
[00:33:48]  Well, Roger Stone, look, I'm really sorry.
[00:33:51]  I am actually going to go off topic because it hit me while I was on hold.
[00:33:53]  I'm speaking to the great Roger Stone, who was one of the most dangerous criminals that they had to send a SWAT team after to get.
[00:34:03]  My compliments to you.
[00:34:04]  And I listened to John Katz and Matives and you yesterday talking about January 6th.
[00:34:08]  And I've made many phone calls to radio shows over this topic over the last couple years.

=== Speaker Johnson Calls for Investigations (03:30) ===

[00:34:13]  And I'm hoping that this will finally be thoroughly investigated and that the coup that was perpetrated against the American people on January 6th is finally exposed for everyone that was involved.
[00:34:25]  And there were so many birds that they attempted to kill with one stone.
[00:34:29]  Pardon the pun, aside from just stopping the elected president of the United States and also fraudulent voting.
[00:34:37]  And there are still people like Tina Peters in Colorado in jail, you know, over the soldier fraud issue.
[00:34:43]  And, you know, and then also the right to militia with what they did to the crowd boys.
[00:34:50]  Enrique Torre and also Rose, Stuart Rhodes and other people.
[00:34:56]  The way they apply these guys.
[00:34:58]  It's really extraordinary.
[00:35:00]  So Enrique Tari, who I actually know, no, I did not meet with him the night before January 6th.
[00:35:06]  He wasn't even at the Capitol.
[00:35:08]  He wasn't even in Washington, D.C.
[00:35:10]  They had an FBI informant send a document to him via Telegram, the social media app.
[00:35:17]  He never even opened the document, but on the basis of his receipt of it, they indicted him, and he was convicted of seditious conspiracy in a Soviet-style show trial in Washington, D.C. Pardon me if I've seen this movie.
[00:35:34]  He, like me, had nothing to do with the illegal acts at the Capitol.
[00:35:40]  In fact, the FBI determined as early as March of 2020 that neither Alex Jones nor I was involved in any conspiracy.
[00:35:51]  Any claim that I knew in advance about, condoned, or participated in any illegal act on January 6th is categorically false.
[00:36:01]  But you can find it all over social media as a false factoid.
[00:36:06]  Those giant doors on the Capitol can only be opened from the inside.
[00:36:11]  So who opened them?
[00:36:12]  Why was the FBI director unwilling to say how many undercover people dressed in Trump garb were sprinkled throughout the crowd?
[00:36:22]  We now know that number was at least 26 provocateurs.
[00:36:27]  I've got bad news for Liz Cheney and Adam Schiff and Zoe Lofgren and the other members of the January 6th committee.
[00:36:36]  Their pre-emptive pardons were signed with an audio pen.
[00:36:40]  While Joe Biden was out of the country, they're not valid.
[00:36:43]  So those people can be prosecuted.
[00:36:46]  Here's what I suggest.
[00:36:47]  Speaker Johnson should have field hearings, get out of Washington, D.C. Subpoena those who were pardoned, they can't deny a congressional subpoena.
[00:36:57]  They also can't plead the fifth because they accepted the pardon.
[00:37:01]  And if they perjure themselves in, say, Illinois or Ohio or Mississippi for that matter, they could be charged for perjury in that jurisdiction, not in the District of Columbia, where candidly, you won't find a non-biased judge and you cannot get an honest jury.
[00:37:18]  I would like to see Speaker Johnson appoint a special select committee to get to the bottom of the January 6th investigation, because I can tell you that testimony was suppressed, that witnesses were coached to perform perjury.
[00:37:34]  There were multiple AI created videos, including one that featured yours truly, shown to the American people.
[00:37:42]  This is a major fraud.

=== Time to Talk Politics (02:18) ===

[00:37:44]  Thank you so much for your call, and thank you for raising that important question.
[00:37:49]  I think we need to get to the bottom of January 6th.
[00:37:52]  I hope Speaker Johnson will do that.
[00:37:56]  We're out of time here, unfortunately, folks.
[00:37:58]  We appreciate your tuning in to the Stone Zone.
[00:38:02]  I do want to say that you can always tune in.
[00:38:07]  We're here every night from 8 till 9 Eastern time to talk politics.
[00:38:13]  We also talk food.
[00:38:15]  I wanted to have time to give my family's recipe for Sunday gravy tonight.
[00:38:19]  Unfortunately, I ran out of time, but next time I'll give it to you.
[00:38:23]  Now, whether you grew up in the New York, New Jersey, Connecticut area, whether you call it sauce or whether you call it a gravy, that's a debate that we can have on the show sometime.
[00:38:33]  My family calls it gravy.
[00:38:35]  The key to it, by the way, San Marzano tomatoes.
[00:38:38]  Those are not a brand of tomatoes.
[00:38:40]  That's a style of tomato grown in a specific valley in Italy.
[00:38:44]  Next time you tune in, folks, we'll talk a little bit about more about food, a little less about politics.
[00:38:50]  But thank you for joining us today in the Stone Zone.
[00:38:54]  Until the next time, God bless you and Godspeed.
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