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China’s Real Threat To America — Col. John Mills Enters The StoneZONE w/ Roger Stone!
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The Stone Zone with legendary Republican strategist and political icon and pundit Roger Stone.
Stone has served as a senior campaign aide to three Republican presidents.
He is a New York Times bestselling author and a longtime friend and advisor of President Donald Trump.
As an outspoken libertarian, Stone has appeared on thousands of broadcasts, spoken at countless venues and lectured before the prestigious Oxford Political Union and the Cambridge Union Society.
Due to his four-plus decades in the political and cultural arena, Stone has become a pop culture icon.
And now, here's your host, Roger Stone!
Welcome, I'm Roger Stone, and yes, you are back in the Stone Zone.
Yesterday, in an amazing performance on Fox Television with Laura Ingraham, President Donald Trump spurred enormous speculation about who he will choose as a vice presidential running mate.
This is, of course, a reflection of the fact that his victory over Nikki Haley in the upcoming South Carolina primary is more than assured.
The most reliable public polls show that he will defeat the former governor of South Carolina in her home state in what could be close to a two-to-one margin.
Former President Richard Nixon once told me that in selecting a vice presidential running mate, don't look for someone who can help you, just try to find someone who doesn't hurt you.
Now that view may be somewhat cynical, but the real test here is choosing an individual who first and foremost
Has the qualifications, the experience, the temperament, the actual ability to be president in the event that God forbid, something should happen to Donald Trump and he'd be unable to fulfill his duties and responsibilities as president.
Then and only then can the political considerations Be looked at.
Here's this little snippet from Trump and Laura Ingraham last night.
The audience has been asked who they think would be a good choice, and various names came up.
One of them was, of course, Vivek Ramaswamy.
He's made a big splash.
Ron DeSantis, who's making an appearance today in South Carolina, we just found out.
Obviously, Tim Scott, Byron Donalds, and a big presence here for Tulsi Gabbard.
Very interesting.
And Kristi Noem as well, I should say.
Are they all on your short list and when can you?
We have said this before on the Stone's Zone, but let me go through it again because some people still don't grasp it.
While the rules of the Electoral College do not specifically prohibit a party from nominating a candidate for president and vice president who are both legal residents of the same state,
What they do is penalize a party that made such a nomination, and in the event that that ticket carried the state, the ticket would forfeit the Electoral College votes of that state.
What that means, in short, is that the president cannot choose somebody who is a legal resident of Florida, where he is currently a legal resident.
Now, George Bush and Dick Cheney got around this.
They were both residents of the state of Texas.
But Dick Cheney very quickly and at the last minute changed his legal residence to Wyoming so that he could be selected for vice president.
Always thought it was interesting that he was the guy in charge of the selection process and the most qualified person that he found, well, that turned out to be him.
In any event, this would disallow the possibility of a Governor Ron DeSantis, whose selection I think is unlikely anyway, would also unfortunately, I think, eliminate the selection of Congressman Byron Donalds, who serves as a member of Congress from the West Coast of Florida, a very good man.
It also would leave out, for example, General Michael Flynn.
Who I would think would be much better suited for the position of Secretary of Defense or perhaps reprising his old role as National Security Advisor.
Now also among those mentioned last night was Vivek Ramaswamy.
I like Vivek Ramaswamy.
I did not like the kind of funding business that he tried at the very last minute before the Iowa caucuses.
But it is clear that that is water under the bridge.
He has emerged as a very effective advocate and a supporter of President Donald Trump.
The problem there, however, is that I don't think that he would bring you any votes that, well, that you don't already have.
Now, if we believe Nixon's maxim, that you just seek someone who doesn't hurt you, perhaps Vivek Ramaswamy would be a good choice, but...
But I also think that because Donald Trump came from the world of business and to a certain extent from the world of entertainment, that he probably needs a vice president who has at least some governmental experience.
Governor Christy Noem.
That brings us to Tulsi Gabbard.
She's extremely attractive.
She has an excellent record as governor.
But if you're not winning the state of South Dakota, well, then your campaign is in deep trouble.
Once again, I don't think she brings you any new constituencies.
That brings us to Tulsi Gabbard.
Now I find that idea intriguing.
Tulsi Gabbard is a lieutenant colonel in the US Army.
Army Reserve.
She's also a veteran of the war in Iraq.
She is a championship surfer, a former Democrat member of Congress, actually a former vice chairman of the Democratic National Committee.
I think she would have broad outreach to millennials.
And as a former Democrat, could be a bridge to win the votes of millions of Democrats for a TNT ticket, Trump and Tulsi.
It is an intriguing idea.
Now, I've noticed in social media both a very positive reaction, I believe Tulsi Gabbard is trending even as we speak, but also some people say, well, she was a Democrat.
Let me remind you that Ronald Reagan was once a Democrat.
In fact, he was an extremely liberal Democrat.
So I really do think that the key here is to select someone who does not upset the base because base is everything in politics and President Trump needs to maximize the support level in his base.
But also reaches out to a different constituency, one where he could make gains.
If you looked at it from a strictly analytical and generic process, it would be ideal to have a candidate who allowed you to make gains among African Americans or Hispanic Americans, two places where Donald Trump In recent polling is indeed making substantial inroads.
And of course, there is the selection of a woman.
For those who have some reserve about the possibility of Tulsi Gabbard, I would urge you to go back and look at the debate she had with Kamala Harris when she was running as an anti-war candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination.
She took Kamala Harris to the cleaners.
So that leads us to the other quality that I think is crucial after you take into consideration qualifications, experience, temperament, and judgment, the ability to be president, and that is to select someone who is sure-footed.
Someone who understands that the role of the vice presidential candidate is to always be a second banana.
You are never the one setting policy.
You are never the one who can contradict the presidential candidate.
After Vice President Richard Nixon selected a U.N. ambassador and former Massachusetts Senator Henry Cabot Lodge in 1960, Nixon was shocked while campaigning in California when his vice presidential running mate, Nixon was shocked while campaigning in California when his vice presidential running mate, Senator Lodge, said that the Nixon Lodge administration would have, in those words, those times, a Negro
Today we would say African American.
This was, of course, news to Nixon, who believed that people should be selected for cabinet service based on qualifications rather than their skin color.
He was also trying to make inroads into the border and deep south, things that in the end were unsuccessful.
People don't recognize that John F. Kennedy was essentially the last Democrat to carry the Deep South.
By that I mean Georgia, Mississippi, Louisiana, and Alabama.
So, you need a candidate who's not going to make mistakes.
Richard Nixon selected Maryland Governor Spiro Agnew, who went from gaffe to gaffe during that campaign.
Actually, probably In the end, it was used in television commercials put up by Nixon's opponent, Vice President Hubert Humphrey, who hammered the fact that Spiro Agnew would be a heartbeat away from the president in the event that something happened to Nixon.
So, what you need is someone who is sure-footed.
Someone who has run for president before would be ideal.
That of course brings us to Dr. Ben Carson.
Now, I like Dr. Carson.
He spoke recently at Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church where I attend.
He's a good man.
He's very solid.
Obviously, it is an American success story.
He grew up dirt poor in Detroit to become one of the most prominent and respected brain surgeons In the country, but I question a couple of things.
First, whether he allows you outreach to any group where you could make ground or whether he just yet appeals solely to your base.
And candidly, well, Dr. Carson is a little boring.
Now, better again, a candidate who doesn't hurt you and someone broadly acceptable to the base.
Well, Dr. Carson would meet that criteria.
Not mentioned yet in this conversation was the other candidate who was mentioned last night, Senator Tim Scott.
Now, Tim Scott really underwhelmed in his own campaign for president.
I think had he done better in that endeavor, he might rate more highly as a potential vice presidential running mate.
But the other thing Nixon once said to me is you cannot run for vice president.
You can position yourself for the selection of vice president, but you cannot openly run for the job.
Tim Scott appears to me, at least, to be openly running for the job.
I don't know that his selection, given his record as more of a neocon Republican, would sit well with the base.
Uh, recently you may have seen that he had to get the permission of Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell in order to vote against the outrageous $95 billion Uh, grant to Ukraine, uh, Israel, uh, and Taiwan.
Uh, those are not the qualities one looks for, uh, in a vice president.
So, uh, and the fact, by the way, that Donald Trump in subsequent recent interviews actually singled out, uh, both, uh, Tim Scott, uh, and, uh, Kristi Noem, uh, well, that leads me to believe that they are probably not going to be selected.
Above all, Donald Trump is a master showman, and he knows that this story, this announcement, is extraordinarily newsworthy, and therefore he's going to continue the tease.
You may remember several weeks ago, when he was doing a Foxtown Hall, I believe it was with Sean Hannity, at that time he actually said he'd already made his decision, but was keeping it to himself.
There's Trump the showman yet again.
Thank you for joining us on The Stone Zone.
If you're just tuning in, we're privileged to have an extraordinary guest with us today.
Colonel John Mills is a national security professional with a service in five eras.
He served his country with distinction during the Cold War.
He was around for the peace dividend.
He's an expert on the war on terror and now he has an extraordinary viewpoint when it comes to the current world in chaos.
He really is very knowledgeable on the great power showdown and the current fight to save our Republic.
He's a former director of cyber security policy and strategy as well as an international Roger, thank you so much.
It's an honor to be on your show.
is a senior fellow at the Center for Security Policy.
I'm very privileged and honored to have retired Colonel John Mills join us in the Stone Zone now.
- Roger, thank you so much.
It's an honor to be on your show. - I am really, really honored to have you here, and I'm very anxious for you to share your expertise.
You are an expert on foreign and defense policy across the board.
This is an exciting opportunity for my viewers.
Uh, here's a, I guess, a good place to start.
Uh, the, uh, the Chinese continue to make provocative noises regarding Taiwan.
The idea that the Chinese would invade or seek to take control of Taiwan under a President Donald Trump I think is unthinkable, largely because Trump always understood the value of his unpredictability as a foreign policy asset.
How serious are the Chinese about Taiwan and how do you see this playing out?
Well, thank you, Roger.
It's a very serious matter, and all Americans need to be concerned.
A common response is, they don't even know where Taiwan is on the map, and what does Taiwan have to do with us?
Well, it has everything to do with us.
For China to make a move on Taiwan, they will have to hit targets in Japanese sovereign territory, Filipino sovereign territory, and American sovereign territory.
That's Guam, Tinian, and Saipan.
Those are American citizens that will be killed and wounded when China makes their move.
Now there's several different possible courses of action for Xi, the leader of China, to make a move.
I call it basically, first is a hard invasion.
Second, a soft invasion.
Third is envelopment.
Fourth is bypass.
Fifth is do nothing.
Or sixth is continue the worldwide arson campaign that's going on right now.
We have easily 14 regional conflicts ongoing or can be set off at a moment's notice.
And every one of those has strings and tentacles to China.
So I think it's a very serious matter.
And in regards to President Trump, From the tactical level in special operations to the strategic level, there's three things that count when working with key foreign partners or foreign adversaries.
And that's clarity, resolve, and authenticity.
Trump is every one of those three things.
Biden is none of those three things.
And this is the danger.
Wars are set off by lack of clarity and resolve.
They are not caused by clarity and resolve.
They are caused by lack of clarity and resolve, which again, this current encumberment of the White House, they don't know what the word clarity or resolve or authenticity mean, any one of those three words.
So this absolutely would not happen under Trump.
She is under immense pressure to deliver something, maybe peel off some of the forward islands, such as Kinmen or Matsu.
They have the storm season coming, April to October.
Those are the typhoon season.
That's a pretty, that 100 to 150 mile gap is pretty rough water.
It's not gentle water and it gets even worse.
And the last thing they want to deal with is Hurricane Trump in November.
I once worked for Congressman Jack Kemp.
I remember he had a great line in his speech in which he said, weakness provokes aggression.
I think that sums it up.
And this administration has shown nothing but weakness.
Two days ago, I was watching Senator Tom Tillis of North Carolina on the Senate floor.
I called him an unprintable name.
We won't get into that right now.
But he insists that the Ukrainians are winning their war against Russia.
Now, I understand that there's an enormous amount of war propaganda in our legacy media that might lead someone who's really not paying attention or really doesn't understand the dynamics of the situation I think I'm totally agnostic on this.
My friend, General Michael Flynn, Colonel Douglas McGregor, who I do not know, but whose material I read, both seem to disagree.
What do you think, Colonel Mills, is the current state of play in the war between Ukraine and Russia?
I think I'm totally agnostic on this.
I'm not a cheerleader for either side.
I think my policy has been clear and consistent enough.
Enough aid to provide equivalency.
That point was passed 18 months ago.
And also, no aid without what's called an inspector general to oversee the aid.
That's best practice for government.
We did that in Iraq and Afghanistan.
They've appointed an IG just a couple of months ago, but it was the DoD IG for the entire department who has to split jobs.
That's unacceptable.
There has to be a dedicated IG, if they didn't totally understand my talking point on that.
There has to be a dedicated IG.
The battle in the war in Ukraine is essentially a stalemate on the ground.
It essentially has become trench warfare.
In the air and on the sea, though, Ukrainians have repeatedly shown innovation to shut down the Russian Air Force and obliterate what's left of the Russian flotilla in the Black Sea.
Again, but much of that has come with aid and assistance direct, I would suggest, just from my ops, just not, this is unclassified information from British SAS and SBS.
Which is a remnant of provoking the bear in the great game.
Um, so I would say the war in Ukraine is a stalemate on the ground.
They have shown both sides have shown some success, but I think, uh, the battle lines have been, I mean, everybody is talking about, Oh, they gained the Russians gained 10 feet in this direction.
And this village, ladies and gentlemen, that's, that's, uh, in, in, in the scope and scale of everything that's tactical and inconsequential.
I think the bigger issue is, and we're learning it right here at home, is the defense industrial base, which we've totally disregarded since the collapse of the Soviet Union and the end of the Cold War.
It's an art form we have forgotten about, and the absolute policy types in this administration have no operational art in this area and don't understand.
We blew through more tomahawks in one day Shooting at the Houthis in the Red Sea than we produced in a year, and there are zero new tomahawks on the production line for this year.
We're refitting older ones out of the inventory, which is good, but we need to be ramping up our defense industrial base, and two years into it, this administration has, you know, they have lectured and finger-wagged ad nauseum toward the Russians and toward the defense industrial base.
Nothing happens when you lecture and finger-wag.
Nobody takes you seriously.
Uh, but the situation in Ukraine is essentially a stalemate.
It is sucking up immense resources.
Uh, and we have other priorities, uh, Israel and that, that all, all it's going on in the Middle East.
That is China.
That is China, China, China.
Taiwan, they paid for $19 billion of worth of weapons.
I just came back from Taiwan covering the elections.
And oh yes, we need to immensely ramp up our own industrial base to replenish what we have given out of inventory and stock to the Ukrainians.
So, it's not good.
And I will mention with Tom Tillis, don't forget that 50% of the protein from China comes from the U.S., most of which comes from North Carolina, Tom Tillis, and Iowa.
Fascinating.
Fascinating.
Colonel Mills, what is the state of readiness of our current military?
Has our military been decimated by woke culture?
realize the strategic role of North Carolina in protein production for China.
Fascinating.
Fascinating.
Colonel Mills, what is the state of readiness of our current military?
Has our military been decimated by woke culture?
It is my view that during the Obama years that many in the central and medium, and medium, I should say, at the top, and the middle levels of our military, who were not globalists, some who were just honest soldiers, non-political, others who may have had a harder-eyed view towards the threats posed to others who may have had a harder-eyed view towards the threats posed to this country by both China and Russia, were retired
Clearly, we have a recruitment problem in our military.
What is the state of readiness of our current military?
Thank you, Roger.
It's disturbing and concerning.
When you savagely attack 60 to 70 percent of your recruiting base, so anybody who's white, anybody who's male, anybody who's white female also, anybody who has a Christian belief system, which is a lot of Latinos and African-Americans also, which is a lot of Latinos and African-Americans also, when you attack one of your core base elements of your recruiting profile for recruiting and attention, what do you think is going to happen?
This is absolute insanity.
Uh, historic challenges not seen since the conversion from a draft to all volunteer in 1974, which those were rough years in 74 until Reagan got on board.
Those were very rough years.
Um, but it's just why in the world, you know, I'm a military veteran, uh, you know, uh, my son spent some time in the military, but why in the world when anybody recommend the military to their, their children at this point in time?
It's absolute bat guano craziness, and I don't know where and how this happened.
I noticed it in 2009 when I went through Army War College, really kind of the final senior training.
Now we have joint, you have to become joint qualified, which I did also become joint qualified so you can speak the service language of all services.
But I noticed in 2009 that I was an outlier and that I didn't know what to call it at the time.
But there clearly was an expectation of certain phraseology and behaviors, even though War College is always supposed to be allotted for open mindedness, brilliant visionary thinking.
No, no.
Even in 2009, it was clear.
You had to use certain terms, certain expressions, and behave in a certain way.
And I was going, I am clearly an outlier.
And again, historic recruiting attention, and what do you expect when 60 to 70% of your base, if you're white, if you're heterosexual, if you have a Judeo-Christian belief system, no matter what color or ethnicity, so right off the table.
And then Army Secretary Christine Wormuth, At first, she ignored the issue.
Then she would mock the issue of wokeness.
Now she's angry.
She's angry.
If anybody brings it up, you're not patriotic.
I mean, it's a variation of Hillary Clinton's, uh, dissent is the highest form of patriotism, unless you're dissenting against somebody who's on the blue team, uh, or, uh, I mean, this is just the, the utter, uh, absolute intellectual non sequiturs of, of, of this, what we're dealing with in America.
Uh, so.
Huge issues with readiness, huge issues with the defense industrial base.
Even the Coast Guard, which usually it's a budget issue, not a personnel issue.
The Coast Guard can't even deploy all of its incredibly important boats, small crafts, and even ships because of a historic shortfall in recruiting and retention, which usually it's the budget issues at the Coast Guard, not recruiting and retention.
So, um, I don't know what world, uh, people are living in and, and then just in the national security world, people are going out, come on, come on.
It's not that bad.
It's always the, when, as soon as somebody says, it's not that bad, you know, it's bad.
And there's a problem.
And this is where all those who are, um, uh, you know, part of the problem in the swamp, in the, in the deep state, in the national security culture, Uh, they refuse to address causal factors here, and anytime recruiting retention comes up, it'll be the environment.
Admiral Stravitas just the other day was talking about global warming as an issue in recruiting attention.
I mean, Stravitas, uh, I mean, it was like, gee, it was like 20 years ago I was called in.
His social media account had been hacked when he was a European commander, a UCOM commander, and it was one of the first times we had an issue with a a person of statue and their social media account being hacked.
It's just, it's an utter, I just don't know where these, these brains are at.
They're, they're just either lying through their teeth or they are totally detached from reality and what's going on around them.
In the middle East, it appears to me that the Biden administration is funding both sides of the conflict.
I saw in the wall street journal roughly a week ago, that the administration was moving to unfreeze another $100 billion for Iran.
They seem to either be naive or oblivious to the fact that Iran will not only use that money to restart or to accelerate their nuclear, Nuclear Weapons Development Program, but there's a high probability that they are subsidizing Islamic terrorism in the sense of Hamas and Hezbollah.
At the same time, it appears that the administration is putting certain restraints on our longtime Israeli allies.
What is your analysis of the situation in the Middle East?
Well, this is a function of The Biden team trying to serve many masters at once.
You can't serve two masters.
And they're penetrated by this cult of Iranians.
Some of them are just actually Iranian agents.
You got Rob Malley, who was the lead negotiator under Biden.
And then under, excuse me, under Obama and then Biden, who's been taken off the payroll and is under security investigation because it appears he's an agent of Iran.
I mean, we're getting almost zero coverage of this.
I mean, and is to, so he's off the payroll, but he's still, Rob Malley is still shown on the State Department website.
He's still shown Uh, as the lead for, uh, uh, Iranian negotiation issues.
And then his two, uh, deputies are, are embedded in the top level of the office of Secretary of Defense.
So, so we got Iranian agents penetrating the government.
So some of it is this, uh, Iranian agents and you've got cultists like Valerie Jarrett and John Brennan, uh, who just have this thing for Iran.
Uh, this makes absolutely no sense.
Giving back money and then expecting behavior in a certain direction flies in the face of anything.
You have no leverage when you give back the money.
You say, we're going to give you back this money, and then we expect you to behave this way.
No, no, no.
It's condition based.
Now this is, to the best of my knowledge, the money that's been given back to Iran has been seized money, frozen money since 1979.
Well, this is negotiation 101 here.
Come on, you don't hand over money to online actors and then say, now you behave this way, or else we'll give you another pallet of your own cash.
You know, I mean, what do they expect?
But it's just the insanity of the ideologically bat guano crazy members of the Biden team.
Folks, if you're just tuning in, we're talking to Colonel John Mills on defense and national security policy.
He is the former director of cyber security policy and strategy for the United States government, also an international affairs expert.
He's a senior fellow.
at the Center for Security Policy.
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Colonel Mills, it was reported several months ago that the Chinese had located a spy station in Cuba.
It was amazing how quickly this was in and out of the news.
It seemed to be a one-day story.
I'm old enough to remember the national tumult over the fact that the Russians had placed a missiles in Cuba in 1962.
Is it not reasonable to expect that if the Chinese are unimpeded running a spy station out of Cuba, that they may ultimately, or perhaps even now, mount missiles there as well?
Thank you, Roger.
And those books at my store are all autographed, so that's a special bonus feature.
So, yeah, I'm very, very disturbed.
This whole story broke about mid, about late spring, early summer last year, and it was right during the groveling tour of four senior Biden officials in a row, and on the way back on Tony Blinken's leg of the groveling tour,
Uh, the Chinese said, not only are we doing this, well, literally, well, Blinken was in flight, uh, uh, Eddie Haskell Blinken was in flight back to the United States, was, uh, not only, uh, resurrecting the old Soviet spy base at Lourdes, Cuba, 90 miles from Key West, uh, we're also doing military training.
Now, My grave concern is the American intelligence community is not even paying attention to this matter.
So all intelligence community resources, there's actually, you can go right on to the Director of National Intelligence and look at the intel community directives.
And I think it's 204, the intelligence community priority stack, but it's essentially everything is apportioned according to the priority stack.
And you have a cut line.
Things above that cut line are, they are, they were not only collected upon but analyzed and assessed.
Things below the cut line might be collected on but are not analyzed or assessed and not actioned.
I am concerned with both an intel base and now military training, I mean the Chinese have said military training in addition to the spy base, that there are very likely missiles in Cuba now.
And yet our intelligence community is focused on DEI and CRT training.
So, and they're not kidding.
So that is just unfathomable.
If nothing else, I would not be surprised.
It's called the S-300 and S-400 air defense system, which are very long range, very powerful, and literally can knock down aircraft over Orlando.
Their range is that far.
And oh, there's a bonus feature with these missiles.
Not only are they air-to-air, you could use them, or excuse me, surface-to-air, you could use them surface-to-surface, meaning you could bombard all the way up to Orlando if they chose to.
I think it's not unreasonable, not unlikely, that because of the announced spy base and military training base in Cuba, That there are missiles back in Cuba, and yet we're hearing zero about this on the media.
But it's absolutely reasonable, if nothing else, just to posit this question.
But that is the standard.
When the Chinese set up training facilities like this, air defense, and including long-range air defense, is almost certainly there.
And the S-300, S-400 system, very powerful, very long-range, dual-use.
You can hit ground targets with these.
You raised the issue of Rob Malley.
This is shocking to me.
I think this is the greatest single spy scandal in U.S.
history prior, or I should say subsequent, to Alger Hiss, a Russian communist spy who infiltrated the federal government during both the Roosevelt and Truman administrations.
By the way, when the Soviet Union collapsed and KGB records became available, we learned for a certainty, well, that young Congressman Richard Dixon was right and that Alger Hiss was indeed, despite the claims of the left-wing media both today and at the time, a Soviet agent.
It's amazing to me That this level of infiltration has gotten virtually no media coverage.
I also note, as you said, that two of Malley's top deputies remain in place.
So while he has been suspended without explanation and is evidently under an inspector general investigation, according to a piece I read in the Washington Examiner, his cohorts seem to be firmly in place.
No wonder we're unfreezing $100 billion in assets.
One of your areas of expertise is cybersecurity.
Is there, in fact, as many believe, a very real danger of disruption in our power grid in this nation?
Absolutely, Roger.
In the 2023 National Defense Authorization Act, there was a obscure section called 1088.
It directed a national tabletop exercise on effect on the domestic critical infrastructure in case of conflict with China over Taiwan.
Well, these congressional sections and language just don't come out of thin air.
1088 implies that there was a fire in the main engine room.
We knew about it, and we need to look into it.
So, yes, the domestic critical infrastructure.
Let's take spy cranes.
I just did a Substack posting this morning on spy cranes.
The White House just created a presidential directive on port initiatives, port security.
But Whether it's the grid or whether it's the spy cranes in American ports.
There's Chinese componentry to these.
ZPMC makes 80% of the port cranes.
When it comes to the power system, there's a panoply of Chinese providers of important components.
If nothing else, the routers of the IT that enable the energy sector.
And the Chinese know this vulnerability, so I think it's immense.
I think it's real.
The Section 1080 exercise was a huge signal.
We had a fire in the main engine room on this, and you would call these advanced force operations to prepare the battlefield for conflict.
Bottom line to the layperson, at the right time, all the Chinese have to do is at their server farms and Shenzhen, China, right above Hong Kong, right below Guangzhou.
All they have to do is flip the switch, port cranes collapse, energy, coal plants, Oh, wind turbines, their favorite wind turbines go berserk and over torque.
It's a very common methodology in cyber attacks.
So I think we are at an absolute screaming crisis.
And the FBI director, obvious, Director Wray, has suddenly in the last three months come awake on this issue and has talked about alarm bells, red flags, sirens.
Him and Jen Easterly, who I used to work with, yeah, say the same thing.
And so, yeah, it's, and you talked about Alger Hiss in my first book, The Nation Will Follow, I invoke Whitaker Chambers, because I was ground zero to see the deep staters go after Trump when I was in a career civilian inside the senior levels in early 2016.
And, you know, the FBI started saying, Russia, Russia, Russia, Trump, Trump, Trump.
And guess who it was?
It was Charles McGonigal, who's now going to prison for, I think he's had several years added onto his term.
So, penetrated.
Those who are supposed to be securing America, they're penetrated.
And China's penetrated our critical infrastructure.
Other than that, everything's going great.
Yeah, how ironic.
There was indeed Russian collusion.
The problem is it wasn't with Donald Trump or his team.
It was collusion With actual officials in the FBI.
Followed that case very carefully.
McGonigal was involved in the plans to stage the raid on my home on January 25th, 2019.
So I can't say I was unhappy about his long prison sentence.
The other day, Congressman Mike Turner caused, well, a panic With an announcement that there was a very serious nuclear threat to our country from the Russians, and essentially that it was space-based.
Then Jake Sullivan, who is up to his keister in the Russian collusion hoax as documented in Special Counsel John Durham's report, But who of course avoids prosecution for his very real crimes and currently serves as our national security advisor, said, well, I was preparing to brief members of Congress about this.
I'm a little surprised that Congressman Turner jumped the gun.
My immediate takeaway was, well, the same as yours, Turner was trying to move funding for Ukraine along and thought this would do it, but it also had the effect of shifting public attention away from the special counsel's report that raised very legitimate questions about the cognitive decline of President Joe but it also had the effect of shifting public attention away
So my question, Colonel Mills, is there indeed, in your opinion, a real threat to America, a national security threat from the Russians that is space-based?
I I was immediately skeptical, but I, of course, don't have your experience or your expertise in this area.
Let me know what you think.
Roger, this was a bizarre episode.
It just, there were so many branches and sequels.
So Turner, I think, was in many ways grandstanding for Ukraine aid.
Okay.
At the same time, I think there is something there.
Now, space matters are usually not only top secret, but usually sapped or special access program.
I mean, and Just the both the guidance, regulation, security oversight is you don't say anything about space matters.
So this was very confusing.
I'd never heard anything like this raised before.
But I think it does show a weakness in the space domain of America.
And it's just like the Obama-Biden team had circles run around them by Russia.
Uh, and sometimes concluded, uh, colluded with Russia.
Uh, but also let the Chinese, the Iranians, the Venezuelans, the North Koreans do whatever they want to do here.
Um, this, I think there's, there's a concern here.
We have, we have given away dominance in space, but if the Russians have put a nuke in orbit, which was essentially the message, it was a little confusing to figure out what the message was.
Uh, I can assure you the Chinese have put 10.
And this shows the absolute, the intelligence community has just totally ignored the Chinese nuclear threat until the last couple of years.
I mean, the Chinese have had an, no pun intended, an explosive growth in their nuclear capability and capacity, where they, in a conservative estimate, have as many strategic nuclear warheads and delivery devices Uh, as we, as the Russians, but when combined with the Russians, that means they're twice our size at a minimum.
So, uh, this whole, yeah, I think there probably is something going on up in space because everything's so classified.
Uh, Hey, the American people need truth on these matters and hiding the truth from the American people doesn't help.
Uh, using it as grandstanding for Ukraine aid is wrong also.
Um, so no, no aid until we have that dedicated inspector general, but, uh, So Turner was just, uh, this was a baffling episode.
I think there is something there, but it does distract from the special counsel, uh, look into, uh, uh, Biden, uh, and his is absolutely the key word in that, uh, special counsel report was willfully, willfully.
It's a pretty harmful word.
Willfully had and willfully shared classified information.
And it's either you either charge.
It's one of two here.
You either charge Biden because vice presidents are not allowed to walk out with classified information.
Presidents are.
You know, total failure and the weaponization of the National Archivist to not show up and properly Uh, assemble all of the top secret documents from the Trump first term, which that is the way it's supposed to be a totally weapon.
Now they've weaponized the national, the librarian for the U S government.
I mean, this is crazy, but yeah, this episode, so many branches and sequels from it.
So many alarm bells shows a failure of, of, of, of government to secure the American people.
And Turner was grandstanding and helping to distract bizarre episode.
There is something there, but it was also meant as a smoke screen to distract.
Our guest today, once again, Colonel John Mills.
He is the author of a terrific book, The War Against the Deep State.
I highly recommend that you get your signed copy of this book.
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Colonel Mills also writes a very lively and informative sub stack.
I urge you to subscribe to that.
We'll put that address up on the screen for you.
There it is, colonelretjohn.substack.com.
So please, if you want to be completely well informed about what's going on in the national security and defense realm, there is no better place to go than Colonel Mills Substack.
I myself am working on a substact piece at this moment, comparing the case against Joe Biden regarding his retention of documents with the case against President Donald Trump.
They tell us that the essential difference is that Biden cooperated in the probe into his illegal, willful retention of documents that Trump did not.
I essentially disprove this in a piece that I will post at Substack this afternoon.
There is indeed a two-tiered justice system.
A final question for Colonel Mills.
We learned earlier this week That former CIA Director John Brennan reached out to the intelligence services of the Five Eyes Nations, the English-speaking allies, and asked them to conduct surveillance and to bump, as they say, 26 associates of President Donald Trump.
This was prior to any public discussion of the falsified steel dossier.
I have the distinction of being one of those 26 people.
Do you think, Colonel Mills, that we will ever see any justice served or any consequence of these shocking revelations?
Yeah, Roger, absolutely.
I'm not sure.
I have faith in this.
And McGonigal was one of them.
He was the guy feeding us information in high-level meetings in early 2016.
I gave a number of names to the Durham investigation.
There's five criminal referrals out of the Durham report.
And you've got to attribute McGonigal to Durham.
I mean, although in the negotiation in the front office, the DOJ, they said, oh, we're going to strip that out.
You know, Durham said, okay, whatever.
Uh, but he's still got McGonigal and there's five other criminal referrals.
Three of those pretty, pretty likely came from my names, but yeah.
And I was personal, I describe it in book one, uh, the nation will follow, uh, of a dinner in London in October, 2016, where a former very senior FBI executive retired good friends with James Comey.
I was in London.
I was there in a Five Eyes meeting and we just, sheer coincidence, were at a dinner together, unrelated to my presence in London with the Five Eyes meeting, but the only thing I could resolve with forensics and later was the only reason that official was in London was to coordinate the acceleration of Crossfire Hurricane with Gina Haspel, Chief of Station, and GCHQ, our Five Eyes partner.
And it's called the Five Eyes End Around Method.
Very rarely used, but in early 2016, suddenly there was all this chatter in top level meetings from our Five Eyes partners that Trump, Trump, Trump, Russia, Russia, Russia, and it's a game.
The Five Eyes are our most sensitive, most special traditional partners.
There is no higher information sharing relationship.
And the Five Eyes, UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and Singapore.
Just kidding about Singapore, but they are Five Eyes Plus member.
It is, I tell you what, no question about it, that's what was going on.
Because in the Five Eyes End Around Method, this is traditionally, if it came from a Five Eyes partner in regards to an American citizen, It essentially was a way around the FISA process.
It existed, was rarely used until early 2016 when suddenly there's all these five eyes reports, just overwhelming Trump, Trump, Trump, Russia, Russia, Russia.
And I was like, well, I'm a sworn career civilian at this time.
Okay.
I'll follow the truth where it leads.
But in hindsight and all the forensics, no question.
This was intentional misuse of the Five Eyes End Around method.
And it was it was willful and intentional.
And this was an organized campaign to get Trump and those 26 that are identified for bumping, you being one of them, Roger.
Well, unfortunately, we are out of time.
Let me thank my guest, retired Colonel John Mills, for joining us today for this lively discussion.
I have so many more questions.
I definitely would like to have you back.
Colonel Mills, thank you and God bless you.
Thank you for your service to our great nation.
Until tomorrow, I'm Roger Stone.
This has been The Stone Zone.
God bless you and Godspeed.
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