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And now, Lindell TV brings you The Stone Zone, with legendary Republican strategist and political icon, and pundit, Roger Stone.
Stone has served as a senior campaign aide to three Republican presidents.
He is a New York Times bestselling author, and a longtime friend and advisor of President Donald Trump.
As an outspoken libertarian, Stone has appeared on thousands of broadcasts, spoken at countless venues, and lectured before the prestigious Oxford Political Union and the Cambridge Union Society.
Due to his four-plus decades in the political and cultural arena, Stone has become a pop culture icon.
And now, here's your host, Roger Stone!
Welcome, I'm Roger Stone, and you are back in the Stone Zone.
We have a great show for you today.
Congressman Chris Collins, one of the first members of Congress to support and endorse Donald Trump for president back in 2016, joins us to talk about Bidenomics, the Department of Injustice, and other topical issues.
And then Joe Hoft, formerly of The Gateway Pundit, author of multiple books about the theft of the 2020 election, He joins us for a discussion of his new book and whether or not we can stop the 2024 election from being stolen.
Before we do that, a quick note.
I read yesterday that the former U.S.
Senator and Governor of Connecticut Lowell Weicker passed away at age 92.
I was actually a volunteer in Lowell Weicker's first campaign for the U.S.
House.
And while I was an early enthusiast, my mother attended one of his town meetings with me and came away saying, Lowell Weicker was a pompous blowhard and a phony.
Boy, how correct she turned out to be.
Lowell Weicker, as a member of Congress in a three-way Senate race in 1970, In which incumbent Tom Dodd was dumped by his own party after being censured in the U.S.
Senate but hung in the race as an independent in a race with left-wing minister and anti-war figure Joe Duffy, Lowell Weicker took more illegal cash from the Nixon townhouse operation than any other member running for the Senate in 1970.
Later, Lowell Weicker would run for governor of Connecticut and be elected on a pledge that if elected, he would not impose a state income tax.
Connecticut was among the few states that had no state income tax.
Of course, immediately upon being elected, the first thing Lowell Weicker did was Impose a income tax.
Rest in peace, Senator Lowell P. Weicker.
By the way, in 1970, when he ran for the Senate, proud to say I supported State Senator John Lupton for the Republican nomination.
Chris Collins is a businessman, an entrepreneur, and as I said earlier, one of the earliest, if not the earliest, members of Congress to See that Donald Trump was exactly right for what ailed this country in 2016, and he joins us now.
Well, hello, Roger.
How are you today?
Chris, welcome to the Stone Zone.
Thank you so much for doing this.
I watched your intro.
I am very impressed.
Count me as a big supporter of yours, Roger.
I'm glad to be with you today.
I think it's been about three years since I've been on Fox or CNN, but as you said, I was the first member of Congress to endorse Donald Trump, February 24th of 2016.
During 2016 and 17, I was on 300 interviews on Fox, CNN, and MSNBC supporting Trump.
I was his number one surrogate on cable news for almost three years.
Nobody worked harder for the election of Donald Trump than Chris Collins, which is why he was targeted by a corrupt justice system and charged with completely fabricated financial crimes For which he ultimately went to prison.
Fortunately, President Donald Trump, as in my case, saw that Chris Collins had done absolutely nothing wrong.
In fact, Chris Collins has never made an illicit or illegal penny in his entire life.
He was targeted for strictly political reasons because, as I said, he spoke out long and early for President Donald Trump.
President Trump pardoned him as he did me and we both appreciate the president and the fact that he had the courage and the fortitude and the strength to pardon us in an election year.
I want to get that out of the way right off the top.
I can tell you Roger, I was persecuted, I was prosecuted, and I was pressured into pleading guilty to an insider trading charge, and I never sold one share of stock.
The DOJ, or I call them the Department of Injustice, Coupled with the Federal Bureau of Injustice came after me.
And I can just tell you, when they have all their guns out, they're going to get you.
They leveraged my 24-year-old son, told me if I would plead guilty, they would show leniency.
Unfortunately, he did sell some stock when NASDAQ didn't honor the trading halt that was on the stock in Australia.
You know, he got up in the morning and saw that the stock was trading and sold some shares and that's all they needed to come after me.
The prosecutor actually wrote a book and admitted in the book how they leveraged my son.
The federal judge said at a sentencing About my son.
Fortunately, he had probation for coming after him.
But they said, the judge said, I've never seen a 24 year old criminally prosecuted for selling a single stock when he's not in the trade or anything else.
This is always settled as a civil matter with the SEC.
And then they came after me leveraging my son and I never even sold stock.
So when they come after you, they will get you 98% Of all Americans charged with a federal crime end up in a plea deal.
I spent close to $6 million fighting them and I had them, had them over a barrel.
And they admitted that they, we were going to file an interlocutory appeal on their unconstitutional behavior.
It was going to the Supreme Court.
As a member of Congress, the Supreme Court had to hear our case.
Uh, and as it turns out, that's when they said, we're going to separate your son 24 years old.
Um, you know, a minor detail of finding NASDAQ was trading a stock on the pink sheets when there was a trading halt in Australia and they got us.
But when President Trump, pardon me, on December 22nd, along with you, and let's remember General Flynn as well, Paul Manafort, Trump's campaign manager, all of us the same day, the first wave, I was in a federal prison.
It was a camp in Pensacola, and say what you will, it's still a prison.
And, you know, when they Announced on, you know, they had done a COVID test so I could get out.
I'd been in there seven weeks, 70 years old with asthma and high blood pressure.
The judge and the prosecutor were playing Russian roulette with my life.
December 2020, there were no vaccines.
There was no treatment.
We had asked to have my report date pushed off until there were vaccines.
They forced me in on October 12th into an area where everyone knew if it came into a prison it was going to spread like wildfire.
Trump pardoned me on December 22nd of 2020.
I left and three weeks after I left The prison camp was ravaged with COVID.
100% of the inmates contracted COVID within three weeks.
And as I am writing a book right now, and as I say in the book, President Donald Trump saved my life.
With that pardon.
So for that, I will forever be grateful.
But, you know, I say with, you know, the shame of the prosecutor and the federal judge forcing me in to a prison camp in October when it was the worst of the worst with COVID.
All I can say, thank God for President Trump.
As you know, Chris, I had a similar experience.
In my case, the prosecutors came up with a sentencing recommendation of seven to nine years for the crime of allegedly lying under oath to Congress.
When you went to their sentencing recommendations, they said that I was found guilty of involvement in foreign interference in the election, which is, of course, not what I was charged with.
They also said that I had threatened to kill a federal judge.
I wasn't charged or convicted of that either.
That is a falsehood.
Yet I saw some crazy left-wing congresswoman from Vermont trying to question John Durham about the pressure that Bill Barr put on the prosecutors in my case.
The seven to nine year recommendation and a decision by the Bureau of Prisons in my case to send me to a dank Georgia prison was based on the claim of the Bureau of Prisons that there were no COVID cases at this prison.
I also at that point was 68 years old with a lifetime history of asthma.
But the African-American woman who's the head of the prison guards union at this Georgia facility read about this in the newspaper and on her own she contacted one of my attorneys to tell him that there were over 200 known cases at that at that correctional institution and there were a bunch of tests pending and there would have been more.
The idea, of course, in both of our cases was to kill us before we had a chance to appeal these unjust convictions.
The kind of corruption you see now in the system where James Comer says the Biden family has taken in at least $17 million, but probably closer than to $40 million in illicit illegal payments from foreign entities and but probably closer than to $40 million in illicit illegal payments
A situation in which the FBI director is stonewalling a request by Congressman Comer of the FBI forms that indicate that the Bureau has been aware of payoffs between Ukraine, the Ukrainian energy company, Burisma, and the Bidens.
This was the quid pro quo for Joe Biden using his authority and his political influence to have a prosecutor in Ukraine who was busy investigating Burisma and Hunter Biden fired.
It's very hard to believe that these things can happen in America, but we've seen the total politicization of all three branches of government.
No, people say to me, was it always like this?
No, it was actually never like this.
This is relatively new.
So, but I don't want to dwell on the past because you and I both know that politics is about the future, never the past.
I not only respect you as a very distinguished member of Congress, I not only believe that your greatest public service may yet lie ahead, but you're also an entrepreneur, an extraordinarily successful businessman, and therefore I'd like to get your economic overview of how Joe Biden is doing as president.
Well, I think America knows with a high rate of inflation, Go to the grocery store and you can see, unfortunately, people taking things off of the belt and putting them away.
They can't afford to buy the groceries they want for their families.
Inflation has eaten away at people's pensions and retirement.
They're going back to work.
They're 80 years old and going back to work.
So, by binomics doesn't work.
Done to America with his woke agenda.
I had to laugh the other day.
I think it was yesterday.
Someone asked him about his own administration defining Bidenomics.
He said, I never heard of it.
I mean, you know, we all know he's a bit on the senile side, if worse, but he didn't know what Bidenomics was.
And all I can say is we know what it is.
It's inflation.
It's a runaway debt.
It's a green new deal that is going to, you know, Punish American companies with higher costs for energy.
So the key is we need Donald Trump back in the White House.
He cleaned up after Obama with his woke agenda and Obama-nomics.
Now he can go in, clean up after Joe Biden with his woke agenda, Biden-omics, even though Joe Biden doesn't know what that stands for.
We do.
High inflation, runaway debt.
And favoring China over the US, especially with the Green New Deal.
So we need Donald Trump back in.
You know, I feel like I've got my mojo back.
I'm ready to step back into the fray.
They beat me to a pulp, and I'll be the first to admit it.
They were some very dark days.
I had my family behind me.
Thank God for that.
And without that, I'm not sure where I would be.
It's just, you know, when your life is destroyed, and the Department of Injustice and the Federal Bureau of Injustice, they will devastate lives, destroy families with impunity, and actually write books and laugh about it.
You know, I can just say shame on them.
You know, not to go back to the past, Roger, but what they did with you, with armed warships out behind your house, and I don't know how many dozens and dozens of armed SWAT members barging into your house at 6am to make a spectacle of someone like yourself, with your background, supposedly telling a lie.
I mean, the egregious behavior of that.
That's why right now, today, the support of You know, the public for the DOJ or the FBI is now under 50%, well under.
And it used to be at 90%.
They've done it to themselves.
And I'm not going to go after the individual agents because I know many of them, the FBI agents, but the leadership.
Let's face it, when you go to work, You want to know what the leader's doing and you take your cues from them.
And we've got the whistleblower now that's blowing the DOJ out of the water on Hunter Biden.
Thank heavens for his courage, but you can say his career's over.
And so it's not the everyday agents, but they, you know, Obama and then Biden since then have loaded with bureaucrats, with an agenda.
And if you're a conservative Republican, You better watch out.
You know, they came after you, they came after me, they came after Paul Manafort, General Flynn.
Same idea.
They leveraged General Flynn's family to get him to plead guilty.
I'm just proud to have been pardoned on the same day as you, General Flynn, Paul Manafort, and that was a bad day for the prosecution and the judge where they wanted me to do jail time.
And I did my seven weeks in Pensacola, and it's not some kind of country club, I can tell you that.
And they lied even to the judge and prosecutor, the Bureau of Prisons.
They said, oh our camp is open, there's recreation, there's education, they can use the phones.
All of that was a lie.
Outright lie.
And everything was locked up.
You couldn't move.
You had to spend, you know, 24-7 in the dormitory unless you had a work assignment.
My work assignment was working in the food service from 3.30 in the morning until 5 at night.
You know, I was working, you know, 49 hours a week at 15 cents an hour.
Not that that mattered to me.
But, you know, I'm actually, to some extent, Not to say I'm happy, but living that experience gives me a different appreciation for the power and in this case, the impunity with which the Department of Justice, the FBI can go after good Americans, family people and destroy their lives.
So Chris, let me ask you this.
If you were still sitting in the house or if you sat in the house in the future, would you vote today to impeach Joe Biden based on everything you've seen?
Absolutely.
In a heartbeat.
I'm not saying the Senate's going to convict him, but we need the hearings to expose what he's done to America, And how the Department of Justice is protecting him, protecting Hunter Biden.
As the whistleblowers now said, they couldn't even go search a locker where they knew Hunter Biden had documents and other evidence.
Supposedly, Hunter Biden was warned before they were going to do and search certain things.
You know, the bad news for him was he had dropped his computer off at a repair shop, and I don't think he even knew where it was.
Uh, and you know, then they hid that until after the election.
So, you know, we need to reelect Donald Trump.
He can fix the mess that Biden's creating now.
He fixed the mess that Obama left for him.
You know, he'll get us energy independent faster and you can snap your fingers.
Our foreign adversaries are going to be respecting America again, something they don't do now.
There's no respect coming at us out of Russia, China, North Korea, and the others.
They know Joe Biden's very weak.
And so we need Donald Trump back in the White House.
And I think the way it's looking, he will be.
There's, you know, he's rolling through the nomination process to be the Republican nominee.
There's no stopping him.
Thank God there's no stopping him.
I agree entirely with your analysis.
So it appears, I mean I watched it, where the Attorney General Merrick Garland said that Mr. Weiss, the U.S.
Attorney in Delaware, had a free hand.
to prosecute or not prosecute Hunter Biden, as the evidence indicates.
But now we learn that Mr. Weiss wanted to bring charges against him in D.C., but the D.C. U.S. attorney would not cooperate, wanted to bring charges against him in California, but the U.S. attorney, Attorney in the appropriate district in California would not cooperate.
That he wanted to conduct a raid on a storage facility that Hunter Biden had in Northern Virginia.
They tipped off Hunter Biden's lawyers in a tap prior to the raid.
I can tell you nobody tipped me off the morning at 6 a.m.
when my house was surrounded by 29 heavily armed FBI agents in full SWAT gear.
Brandishing fully automatic M4 assault weapons, scaring the daylights out of my dogs, and waking my wife who's hearing impaired up.
She woke up looking down the barrel of a gun.
She had no idea whether this was a home invasion or what this was.
But nobody called to tip me off, and it really now appears I imagine that he should come testify about this, but it appears to me like Merrick Garland lied under oath to Congress about the Hunter Biden investigation about the independence of the U.S.
Attorney in Delaware.
Also, it turns out, according to a whistleblower who I think is quite credible, that Mr.
Weiss requested to be appointed a special counsel, which would give him total independence, and that was denied by Mr. Garland.
So again, I put it to you, Chris, if you were in Congress today, do you think that there's enough there to potentially impeach Attorney General Merrick Garland?
Of course.
There's no question.
It's something that the Republicans are going to have to make a decision on.
Clearly, they've got the votes to do it.
It's maybe only a four-vote majority, but Kevin McCarthy's the Speaker.
He needs to corral the votes and send the message, much like what happened to Trump.
That way, All of this will become public knowledge with the hearings that will take place as the House would enter into an impeachment vote and send it over to the Senate.
And so America needs to know the truth.
And that's the way we're going to get to the truth in both the case of Joe Biden and Merrick Garland.
There's no question that they're both lying to the American public.
And they're doing that with impunity.
A little side note, Roger, you'll get a laugh out of.
They tried to Roger Stone me, and I did get a phone call from an unknown individual who knew me as the County Executive of Erie County.
He knew me as a member of Congress, and his comment was, Congressman, they're coming to your house at 6 a.m.
I can't tell you if it's tomorrow or the next day.
I want you to know.
I went to the airport, rented a car, used my wife's name, drove the car to New York City, paid cash, got in a taxi, paid cash, had them drop me three blocks off from my daughter's apartment.
They couldn't find me.
We'd been asking for the right to self-surrender for what we knew was going to be the arraignment.
They were playing cutesy with my attorney and they wouldn't commit.
And they said, we'll take that under advisement, which meant they weren't going to let me self-surrender.
As a sitting member of Congress, they were going to drag me out of my house at 6 a.m.
in front of TV cameras.
I did get a phone call, which prevented them from doing that to me and my family.
So at least I did get to self-surrender, because they didn't know where I was.
They couldn't find me.
It took four days.
Finally, they called my attorney and said, we'll allow the congressman to self-surrender tomorrow.
We'll send people over to your law office to pick you up.
And that's what they did.
They were going to Roger Stone me.
That is truly unbelievable.
I want to remind people, you weren't charged with some violent crime.
You didn't kill anybody.
You didn't rob a bank.
You were charged with a completely fabricated violent crime.
It was a six minute phone call, six minutes, to my son when I had some devastating news about a multiple sclerosis secondary progressive MS drug I was involved with to bring the only treatment for all the people suffering with secondary progressive MS.
The trial did not pass muster compared to a placebo.
I got the news, the stock market was already, the trading was halted in Australia where the stock was traded.
And every member of the board shared the results with their families because there was no harm in doing so.
The stock couldn't be traded.
No one expected what happened to us.
NASDAQ didn't honor the trading halt and it was traded on the pink sheets in America at 9 30 Friday morning because I got the information on Thursday night the market was already closed.
You know all of a sudden Friday morning the stock was trading on NASDAQ on the pink sheets.
No one could have anticipated that.
And so what happened happened, but every member of the board shared the information with their family and so did I. Not expecting Nasdaq to open and the stock was trading with the full knowledge there was a trading halt on it in Australia and the rest is history.
But you know, I didn't sell any stock.
No, Chris, it's absolutely clear.
Your crime is obvious to me.
Your crime was supporting Donald J. Trump for president and being one of his earliest and most effective advocates and surrogates.
And that is entirely your fault.
Yeah, but also I'll tell you, the prosecutor wanted a notch in his belt.
He wanted to take down a sitting member of Congress, Trump's number one surrogate on TV for three years, 300 plus TV shows.
I was the congressional liaison to the White House.
You know, I flew on Air Force One.
I was in the Oval Office.
I sat next to the President in the Roosevelt Room.
Meeting after meeting, he always put me right on his left side.
When I walked in, I knew where my placard was.
I knew where the President was going to sit, just to my right.
He and I were very close.
I was involved in a lot of decisions and a lot of appointments of people to jobs throughout his administration.
In fact, I was put in charge of helping fill 4,000 vacancies in the administration.
And any member of Congress that was looking for a role in the federal government or had a constituent with that, it went through my office.
So he wanted a notch on his belt, and he got one.
Well, when he reads my book when it's published, he may think twice about what he did.
Chris, I know that everything you've been through, I know it really firsthand.
A lesser man would have been destroyed.
I know that you and your wife were sustained by your faith in Jesus Christ and your belief in Donald Trump, that he had the courage and the strength to see how unjust your prosecution was and to essentially, like me, literally Save your life.
Now, you are now living on the West Coast of Florida.
The congressman there, Byron Donalds, is a superstar.
He has really emerged in the last couple of months as one of Donald Trump's most effective supporters.
That's interesting to a lot of people because he's the congressman who introduced Ron DeSantis to the crowd on election night in 2020 when the governor was reelected.
He was thought by many to be particularly close to Governor DeSantis, but he turned out to be a strong and compelling endorser and supporter of President Donald Trump.
Many people think that he is a prospective candidate for governor or for the U.S.
Senate.
And I know a lot of Republicans over there on the West Coast have urged you to consider throwing your hat back in the ring, getting back into public service.
I know you're living a pretty good life right now, and I know that you've been through hell, but is this something that you would consider?
The answer is yes.
I've talked to my wife about it.
You're right.
People have been encouraging me.
I'm not going to ever challenge Byron Donalds in a primary or anything, because he's a conservative Trump supporter.
You see him on TV as much as I was ever on television.
But if it is true that he pursues another opportunity, whether it's governor or senator, I basically said I am going to throw my hat back in the ring.
Uh, for consideration.
And, uh, you know, I, I think, uh, you know, I can bring all my experience right back in and hit the ground running with Donald Trump as the president of the United States.
I am the keynote speaker on, on Sunday at a big Trump rally called United We Stand.
There'll be roughly 5,000 people on Key Waden Island, which is just off of the coast here of Marco Island.
Uh, a huge flotilla with what we now know are already 3,000 votes.
Votes.
That have signed up to be in the flotilla.
I'm going to be, you know, one of the keynote speakers and I'm going to announce that if if Byron Donalds does pursue another opportunity, I'm very interested in running.
I'd be the first person in 55 years to go to Congress representing two different states, New York and Florida, in only the second in 90 years.
And in that way, you know, they tried to silence my voice as a strong supporter of Donald Trump.
And all I can say is, you know, to quote Arnold Schwarzenegger and Michael Jordan, I'm back.
Trivia question.
Who's the last congressman to serve in the House from two different states?
I'm not even sure.
It was 1969, and I think it was two adjoining states that he had made a move.
You know, it was maybe, you know, like Texas and New Mexico or something along those lines, but it was 1969.
Traveling Bob Berry served from California and New York.
It's a little trivia question.
Just call him Traveling Bob Berry for that very reason.
Chris Collins, I want to thank you very much for joining us in the Stone Zone.
Good luck on your Saturday.
And if you decide to run, your first endorsement right here on The Stone Zone.
Roger, it's always good to be with you.
You're looking great, and I thank you for your service, and what you're doing is a public message to America.
We need you.
You're here for us.
Thank you.
All right, folks.
Former Congressman Chris Collins, a true patriot, a man who was seriously wronged by the federal government, and a Runaway Department of Injustice.
Many of you know that I had begun a Sunday afternoon talk show on WABC radio in New York, a powerhouse of AM radio, WABC making AM radio great again.
In my very first show, I had President Donald Trump.
I was hoping he'd stay for 20 minutes.
He stayed for the entire hour.
I've also had the high privilege and honor of interviewing General Michael Flynn who raised an excellent point on my show suggesting that it was time for the House Republicans who are looking at John Durham's report to send a subpoena to Barack Obama so he can testify in person about what he knew and when he knew it.
In terms of the Russian collusion hoax.
That made a lot of news this weekend on WABCradio.com.
If you don't live in the greater New York area, the New York, New Jersey, Connecticut area, And you want to listen to this Sunday's show, go to wabcradio.com.
Country and Western superstar John Rich, a man who fights for God, family and country, is my guest.
Also, Alina Haba, one of President Donald Trump's most effective lawyers, both join me.
It's a special two-hour session starting at 3 p.m.
and extending all the way to 5 p.m.
And I'm going to talk about New York State's war on pizza.
That's right.
Woke bureaucrats in New York City want to outlaw pizza ovens that are fueled with either coal or wood.
This would require some of the greatest pizza emporiums in New York, which is the mecca of great pizza, to literally shut down.
First they came for our kids, now they're coming for our pizza.
Well I say, give me pizza or give me death.
You're not going to want to miss my show on wabcradio.com.
You can listen to it there.
You might want to download the wabcradio app.
Because they have a great, great lineup.
Superstars like Larry Kudlow, Mayor Rudy Giuliani, Cindy Adams, Frank Morano, Sid Rosenberg, and others.
But you're definitely not going to want to miss this Sunday's show.
If you're tied up with family, you can always go to the wabcradio.com website later and listen to the show after it has already aired live.
So, check it out this Sunday.
You'll be glad you did.
The next gentleman joining us, Joe Hoft.
He's someone who became a very good friend of mine when my family and I were literally going through hell when I was targeted by the politically motivated witch hunt run by Robert Mueller.
I've been on his show very recently on TNT Radio.
He said it was one of the best interviews he's ever heard me give, which pleased me mightily.
I thought it was a very, very good show.
My good friend Joe Hoft joins us now.
Hey Roger, great to be with you.
Really happy to be here.
I'm really glad you could make it.
Joe, you have written several books now about The 2020 election and what really happened.
But I think it's important before we talk about that, that we establish your credentials.
I mean, you're not just an author.
Your background, I think, is perfectly suited in terms of doing a dispassionate analysis of what happened in 2020 and telling us what exactly went down.
Tell people about your background. - Roger, because that's something I try to lay out.
Whenever I'm talking about this topic, So my background is I spent years in the corporate arena.
My twin brother, Jim, started Gateway Pundit 20 years ago or so.
At that time, I was climbing the ladder in the corporate world.
Ended up landing in Hong Kong as an international corporate executive.
There, I ran an audit team out of Asia and across even Australia and Asia Pacific.
And New Zealand, etc.
So I've done about two, three hundred audits around the world.
I have 10 degrees designations that I've earned, including the CPA, MBA, CISA, which is a certified information systems auditing background.
I also oversaw the financial reporting on a billion dollar block of business in my career.
And the block that I was looking at auditing wise was also a billion or multi-billion dollar block of business.
So I've done a lot of audits.
I've been involved in operational fraud.
Financial and IT related audits around the world and and I happen to retire and come back to the States in 2020.
At this point I was working for my brother full-time at the Gateway Pundit and it just so happened that this election occurred and this absolute travesty of in the in the results in the election and everything and I happen to be I feel like right at the right spot at the right time and Jim and I together with some other reporters at the at the Gateway We were just dominating the news with reporting on the steal.
I think the mainstream media decided to ignore it.
Same with big tech.
They pushed and censored much of our work.
We found out later that there were entities that were created and maybe even paid for by the federal government.
Their sole purpose was to fact check us, claim that we were lying and attack our advertisers and attack us, basically, and censor us from Twitter.
I lost my Twitter account January 2nd of 2021, etc.
But this was this was kind of in my roundhouse.
And this is and I thought afterwards, I need to put all this down and describe what happened in 2020 in at least one book.
And it's turned out now to be three.
And I felt like somebody needs to see this from an auditing perspective.
This is what we needed.
We needed good auditors to come in and look at this stuff.
And I'm actually, Roger, I'm just totally You know, shocked and just blown away that this election, you know, ended up the way it did.
It's just, it's a travesty of justice.
So let me say, first of all, that while you were at the Gateway Pundit, nobody was a faster, more eloquent, and more accurate advocate for me and my family when we were being persecuted.
And anytime the fake news media would smear me, There were the guys at the Gateway Pundit who were getting the truth up on the air, up online, very quickly and always accurately.
It's kind of funny when I go to Google and I try to search Gateway Pundit articles, how hard they have worked to bury some of the first-rate journalism you and Jim have done.
It's really quite extraordinary.
I go back and look for articles that I wrote under my byline at the Gateway Pundit.
They're virtually impossible To find any place Other than in the actual archive at the Gateway Pundit.
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So, Joe, tell us about, you have a third volume now.
I've read the other two.
I actually ripped through them.
I wasn't going to read it.
I put it aside the bed.
Then I started one night and, well, Mr. Stone was upset because I basically stayed up most of the night and I finished the first volume.
I finished the second volume after that.
Now you have a third volume.
Tell us about that.
That's great hearing, Roger.
My first book was on setting the stage and all those things that occurred before the election.
And President Trump even complimented me on that book.
He sent me a nice message saying how well it was done and he was looking forward to my next piece.
The second piece is where I laid it all out.
Here's where it is.
Here's what happened in the election.
And quickly, as I went through that book, from my professional background, I realized this election never should have been certified.
When they locked us out of rooms in Pennsylvania, for example, for three days, and I'd say manufactured, they didn't count.
They manufactured ballots, 2 million ballots, giving 80% to Joe Biden after President Trump was up 2.7 to 1.4 million on election day in Pennsylvania.
Something was wrong.
And that's when the election ended, really.
That's when it should have stopped.
And from a professional point of view, you would have said, okay, we've got to do over.
That's the only remedy that was possible at that time.
Talked about this quite a bit online with various news sources, where I think the thing is this, when I went in to do an audit in any country in any language nobody ever told me to, you can't look at our systems.
And that's exactly what happened in the 2020 election.
We don't have any comfort in these systems.
And even recently, this Haldeman report came out in Georgia stating that those machines there that are being used there Basically have lacked security and a bad actor or hacker could get in and flip an election there.
And that was a report that that CISA, the organization under the federal government, also reported on the same thing.
These systems are not secure.
And I got to tell you, in the corporate world, if a system's not secure, if we're not totally confident that this thing's going to produce accurate results, it's gone.
And I'm telling you, the board of directors is all over this and they're going to tell management, We got to find something else.
The same goes towards the fact that we couldn't get into these rooms.
And at that point in time, it was over as far as I was concerned.
But it was because in the corporate world, I would never accept somebody saying, here's – well, we've got this many whatever the count is, dollars or ballots.
But you can't see how we came up with it.
Just trust us that these numbers are accurately.
Well, that would never fly, and we'd never be able to sign off on it as well.
So from an auditing perspective, we never should have certified these elections in multiple states across the board.
And so that led to this third book, and there's a lot in that second book.
But the third book, I lay out what happened after the election, and I call it the cover-up.
And what blew me away as I'm writing this book is just that we didn't have a prayer.
We didn't have a prayer.
We had law enforcement who wasn't going to enforce the law, like in Pennsylvania.
During those three days, they wouldn't let us in to see what's going on.
We had Bill Barr telling us that everything was fine.
We do a FOIA request two years later, we find out that the FBI didn't have any evidence of any investigations in any of these swing states.
And so law enforcement dropped the ball.
So then Rudy jumped in and did, I think, a valiant job, put together in a couple weeks
All this evidence in multiple states, what had happened there, gave these incredible presentations which were just shocking, and yet the states went ahead and certified the results, and even like in Arizona, the governor there, Ducey, certified the results while Rudy's presenting all this evidence that the results should not be certified, and then, you know, it was as if, you know, what he did
It was, it was almost for not because what he, he told me a couple of weeks ago on my show, he said, you know, I went into these places, but there was always two or three Republicans that were not going to change their mind that we're not going to do anything.
And that prevented the whole election from being looked at.
So his efforts were great, but he wasn't going to get the compliance from, from the legislature.
So then we did the court cases and I really feel like Sidney Paul did a great job with her four cases.
She laid them out.
And but unfortunately, three of those four cases landed in Obama judges.
And even later after the election, one of the judges hinted at the fact that she she never even looked at Sidney Powell's case.
They just basically threw him out.
And so we weren't going to win through the courts.
That Texas case was a travesty, as we all know.
21 states jump on to say, hey, we've got to look at these results.
And the Supreme Court says you don't have standing.
It was unbelievable.
So then, our last prayer was January 6th, and I have a big chapter on January 6th, talking about the whole episode and everything that day.
And again, that was maybe our last Hail Mary pass, and Mike Pence, in my opinion, dropped the ball.
And so, that was that.
It was just horrible.
And more evidence, as I look back too, Roger, was that That crowd on January 6th, I wasn't there, but people that were saying it was the largest crowd they've ever seen.
There was like a million people up on top of that hill by the Washington Monument as President Trump was speaking.
And it was a very, very cold day.
And you compare that to two weeks later, Joe Biden's inauguration.
There's like 2,000 people there, if that.
And, you know, again, more evidence that this election, you know, wasn't legit.
The good news is, Roger, is that we're winning the truth war.
We've got the truth on our side and we're winning in the media because Raf Samuelsson came out a couple weeks ago with a poll on the 2020 election where they asked voters in the US whether they thought the election was rigged or not.
62% now of all Americans believe that the election was rigged.
That's about 50% of the Democrats that are believing it.
Our message is getting out.
People can see that Joe Biden's not functional.
And as the more we lay this evidence out, the more we see that this election never should have been certified.
I got to tell you, I just received a document today from some good friends on more on this 2020 election.
That's going to, you know, blow you away.
We continue to dig into this and continue to find more and more reasons why this election never should have been certified.
So that kind of leads us into, and I got to tell you, Roger, let me just make this point too.
Some people are saying that our solution is we need to get out there and sign up more people to vote and increase our voter rolls.
Well, that's a great, great, you know, valiant effort, something we should do.
But that's not going to address the problem.
And this is something I learned in the in the in the auditing realm.
You could go in and do great work in an area.
And then if but if you suggest a solution that's not going to fix the problem, then everything was is for not.
And I feel like that's this You know, if we if we just rely on signing up people, more voters to vote, we've missed the bucket.
The other thing I don't like about that is if that's your only remedy, then you don't get it.
You don't believe that the election was stolen because it certainly was because it never should have been certified.
So what we're going to have to do is really a number of things in 2024 to shore this thing up so that this, you know, never, never happens again.
And it's a big task, Roger.
There's a lot to unwind here.
You're absolutely right about this whole notion, Joe, of ballot harvesting.
Is it part of the answer?
Yes.
Anytime you can register and turn out more voters for your candidate who actually exist, That's a great plus, but it's only a small, small part of the solution.
I understand it's a great fundraising slogan for the Republican National Committee.
Folks, if you give a dollar to the Republican National Committee, you need your head examined.
If you give a dollar to the Republican National Congressional Committee or the National Republican Senatorial Committee, they will turn around and use that money against the candidates that you like in Republican primaries.
I urge people strongly to first of all send a campaign contribution to President Trump because he is not the toast of Wall Street.
He is not the toast of the global elite.
Governor Ron DeSantis can't get any votes because he's an extraordinarily unattractive candidate.
But he certainly can raise money, mostly from globalist fat cats.
So, Donald Trump needs your money.
I strongly urge you to make a contribution to the Trump 2024 campaign.
As far as the solutions to these problems, I would urge you to go to frankspeech.com or to stonezone.com.
I did an excellent show with Jay Valentine, who talked about one of the solutions, which is real-time monitoring of the voting lists.
But what are the other solutions since we both you and I both agree ballot harvesting is not the by in and of itself not even close to being a solution to the challenges ahead?
Absolutely, and yeah, I tell you what one thing that we learned is the last chapter in this book is that there's even You know, we've talked about Dominion for the last two years, but there's all new.
The Democrats already have all new voter systems out there through companies called No Ink and Bepro and VR systems.
And these modules that they have, they promote these poll pads that they push.
They're saying we've got 100,000 out across the country where they can tell real time who's voted at any time of day.
Certainly these things are connected to the Internet.
And then they also sell a product that will tell you on election night exactly where you stand and how many people have voted and for which candidate, basically, because I believe they're using the data from those voter rolls.
They also have a module that then they have print-on-demand.
So, they've developed these new modules that nobody's talking about, that they're not audited, and they're not even included in the HAVA Act, they say, because these are non-election type of systems.
That's where the Democrats are going.
They've stepped into a new level of systems.
Well, the Republicans are talking about ballot harvesting.
So we've got to first of all, we've got to certainly address all the issues with the systems.
If they're not secure, we should never use them.
We don't we wouldn't allow it in the corporate world.
We shouldn't allow it in across the country in our elections.
Today, Garland Favarito came out and asked Raffensperger in Georgia, if you're going to keep these systems for the election, then you better show us all the ballots.
Because that's that's that's what and I think that was a great, great, great thing that Garland did today.
We also need to ensure that any ballots that come into the election are valid ballots.
So we went in 2020, there were millions of ballots that came in that we don't know who they came from, because there's no signature check was even done on the ballots.
And then there was also millions of ballots that came in that there's no chain of custody, so we don't know where they came from.
And we've got to shore that up.
We've got to get processes in place to ensure that that never happens again.
And so there's a lot of work to do.
I really think there's a lot of people out there, millions of people that want to help.
And at the local level, we can start things at the top and at the local level is where it's going to get done.
They just, these people just need a directive.
What do you need us to do?
And they're more than willing to have to help.
And there's a lot of things that we could do to help them for sure.
But it's not one single thing like voter rolls.
It's multiple things that need to be addressed or, or, you know, Tucker Carlson said this the other day on his episode seven at Twitter, he says, well, they just know they're going to get 81 million votes.
It doesn't matter who it is.
They're going to get them again.
So they're not too worried.
They're just going to keep pushing these.
Really communist tactics and socialist programs and really, really evil programs too.
So we've got to stop that for the sake of this country.
I worry, Roger, if we don't fix it in this election, I don't know if we'll ever have another chance.
I don't believe if Donald Trump does not win the next election that there will be another national election.
I think at the end of the day, President Trump is right.
Paper ballots.
If the people in France can count 38 million paper ballots in one day, because the French, let's face it, can't do anything, and we can't do that?
I don't believe that.
Secondarily, how about having the election in one day?
One day.
Not counting votes three weeks later.
One day.
Absentee ballots, yes, if you're in the military, or if you're physically ill, you're infirm, you're handicapped, under those qualifications, yes.
Otherwise, you vote in person.
Early voting, I think, has to be looked at.
I'm not a big fan of early voting.
But I think until you have those basic reforms, signature verification for certainty, I mean, you have to show an ID to get on an airplane, you have to show an ID to buy a carton of cigarettes, you should have to show an ID to vote, and it should be a picture ID.
No, that's not racist.
I'm sorry, that's not racist.
That's a meme and not a very good one.
I know this, that Donald Trump is going to get re-nominated.
I think he's going to go into the general election with a lead on whoever it is the Democrats end up nominating.
I kind of doubt it will be Joe Biden.
I don't think he can hang on that long.
But then will come the real question, which is, will we have a free, fair, honest, transparent election?
Right now, that is an open question.
It is people like Joe Hoff who are trying to make sure that the answer is yes.
Joe, tell people where they can get your new book.
Yeah, if you go out to Amazon, pick it up.
I've got three, and I think you showed a picture earlier of this.
This new book is available at Amazon.
It's the cover-up.
You're going to be amazed with a lot of the stuff out there.
You'll be shocked, actually.
And so please go out to Amazon, pick up a paperback or Kindle copy there.
And yeah, Roger, these people, in the second book I mentioned this, they stole from our weakest and our strongest.
They stole from our military boats and elderly in nursing homes.
They will steal whatever they can to win.
And so that's what we're up against.
I think the first step in any problem is understanding what the problem is.
These people will do anything to win.
And that's the attitude that they have.
And that's what we have to overcome.
We've got to put in place processes And programs so that they are not allowed to do that ever again.
So Joe, I really had a good time on your TNT Radio Show.
Really a lot of fun.
Tell people where they can hear your show and when.
Thanks so much.
You can go to tntradio.live and I have a show weekdays from 3 to 4 Eastern.
And I bring in, I spend a long time usually with great guests like Roger Stone.
And Rudy Giuliani.
Today I had Lieutenant Colonel Tony Schaefer and others.
We're just going to talk through some of the biggest news in the country.
And it's been a lot of fun.
And it's a real honor to have people like you on, Roger, throughout the week.
That's tntradio.live, tntradio.live.
Three to five on weekdays.
Check out Joe Hoff's hot new show.
I had a great time there last week, and Joe, I got a lot of very, very positive feedback about the show.
So you are reaching the masses, my friend.
You are breaking through.
Go to Amazon.
Joe Hoff, H-O-F-T, Joe Hoff, now a trilogy of books on the 2020 election.
I can't wait to read the third one.
The first two are literally barn burners.
If I read a political book and I learn something I didn't already know, that's really something.
So you're going to want to get Joe Hoff's latest book.
Joe, thank you and God bless you for joining us here in the Stone Zone.
And let me wish you a great, great Fourth of July coming up.
Thanks so much, Roger.
Same to you.
You're an American icon and we really appreciate all you do.
Thank you.
All right, folks.
Joe Hoft, formerly of The Gateway Pundit, now hosting a daily radio show at tntradio.live in the afternoons, five days a week.
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