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Aug. 7, 2023 - The StoneZONE - Roger Stone
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Jack Posobiec on The Deep State’s Attempted Takedown of President Trump & How it Could Impact 2024
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And now, Lindell TV brings you The Stone Zone, with legendary Republican strategist and political icon and pundit Roger Stone.
Stone has served as a senior campaign aide to three Republican presidents.
He is a New York Times bestselling author and a longtime friend and advisor of President Donald Trump.
As an outspoken libertarian, Stone has appeared on thousands of broadcasts, spoken at countless venues and lectured before the prestigious Oxford Political Union and the Cambridge Union Society.
Due to his four-plus decades in the political and cultural arena, Stone has become a pop culture icon.
And now, here's your host, Roger Stone!
Welcome back, I'm Roger Stone, and yes, you're about to enter the Stone Zone.
This has been perhaps the most tumultuous weekend in American political history, perhaps in all of American history.
Here's a question for you.
Who seeks to have their political opponents arrested, charged, prosecuted, and incarcerated?
Well, Joseph Stalin, Adolf Hitler, Fidel Castro, and now quite incredibly, Joe Biden.
Does anyone think that if Donald Trump was not leading the Republican field for renomination by high double digits, Or was not leading Joe Biden in every general election trial heat, including in the vital seven swing states that the Department of Justice and the special counsel would be seeking to destroy him.
The real purpose of everything that happened this week.
The spectacle of a U.S.
president standing in the dock while every judge in the federal district was huddled in the back room of the courtroom savoring this moment is only because they seek to stop him, above all, from becoming president again.
If they can, on top of that, incarcerate him so that he dies in prison, well, that would be the cherry on the top for them.
Joining me today is a man who understands all of these issues, a keen observer of both American politics, American history, and everything that transpired this past week.
Jack Posobiec is a senior editor at Human Events, and he joins us now.
Roger, always a pleasure.
Thanks for having me back on.
For anyone who did not see it, you and I did an epic show at Human Events, breaking down the history of communist subversion and infiltration of the U.S.
government in the 40s and 50s.
It was an epic show for which I got a lot of great feedback, but I urge people to check it out.
Where can people go to see that rerun, Jack?
Thank you, Roger.
So really what that was was sort of a response to Christopher Nolan and this new film Oppenheimer, which spends large swathes of time to trying to deny or whitewash this history of the U.S.
government.
I thought I was going in to watch a movie about the atomic bomb, the victory over Japan and Nazi Germany.
Not quite.
So where people can go and watch that, of course, Humanevents.com, Humanevents on Rumble.
We're also up on Twitter and Getter.
And I'm told, by the way, that we're also now live for the time being on YouTube, though I'm doing my level best to be suspended on there as fast as possible.
But so far, it's been a month and we're still going.
Don't worry about that, Jack.
Your suspension will come soon.
I'm banned for life on YouTube, banned for life on Facebook.
Ban for life on Instagram, ban for life on TikTok.
I don't care too much about that.
I really don't want the red Chinese intelligence in my cell phone.
But it is, as you know, a major tactic of the totalitarian left, those great believers in free speech.
They love free speech as long as it's theirs.
They hate free speech when it's free speech that they Disagree with.
So I wish you the best at YouTube.
I was never even actually sent a notification.
Just one day, the old Stone Cold Truth feed at YouTube disappeared without notification.
That's kind of the way these people operate.
I almost don't know where to start here.
Let's begin with the charges against the president, and then we'll get to the broader question of how this impacts the race for president.
Both within the Republican Party and in the general election.
You have a lot of experience.
You've visited extensively in Eastern Europe.
You have a keen sense of history when it comes to some of the most oppressive totalitarian regimes on the planet.
How did you feel when you got the news that the president would be charged?
What was your reaction to these images on television?
Roger, I mean, we have to think back because after all, this week was the third indictment of President Trump.
I protested publicly along with Gavin Wax, members of the New York Young Republicans Club up there in Manhattan for the first indictment.
This being the third one that's come down, it may actually be the most monumental because this is the capital of the United States of America.
Supposedly the freest country in the world, supposedly the most progressive and, shall we say, advanced country in the world.
The leader of the free world.
And Roger, what all of this is evocative of to me is when people talk about January 6th, when people talk about what happened at the Capitol on that day.
Chief Sund is out there now, former Chief Sund, talking about how he believes that there is a cover-up of the federal agents that were crawling over the Capitol that day.
People forget what happened on January 7th, January 8th, January 9th, all the way through March of that year, because I was still working downtown at the time at 101 Constitution Avenue, which is just steps away from the Capitol.
It's right across the street.
Roger, they put the entire U.S.
government and that entire complex under military occupation.
And it was under that military occupation for weeks, up to and including January 20th, the inauguration of Joe Biden, to which no one attended.
Right?
Remember there was this whole argument over Obama's crowd size and Sean Spicer was up there talking about Trump's crowd size.
Uh, but of course, uh, also we know, of course, uh, Roger Stone was the best dressed at Trump's inauguration with his, uh, top high and top hat and tails.
I remember seeing you that day, actually.
And Joe Biden's inauguration had no one there except members of the uniformed U.S.
military armed with M-16s, M-4s.
You saw Humvees walking around.
And then myself working at the time at One America News, I had to show my press badge, Roger, Not just to get to the inauguration, but to show up there for work every single day because I worked within what they would consider the exclusion zone of this perimeter.
And what I saw that day and what I saw during that time showed me, right up close and personal, that we are currently a country that is under occupation from a hostile regime.
Now, we always thought that the regime would come Um, like as John Milius instructed us in the movie Red Dawn, which potentially was a documentary of, of things that may have been, uh, that the external force would be the hostile regime, uh, communist Russia, communist China, something of this sort.
But no, in this case, the hostile regime is here and now, and it's our own fellow citizens that are enacting it.
And so when I see these charges put on Donald Trump, when I saw the raid on Mar-a-Lago, I remember I spoke to my wife, Tanya Tay, who was born in the Soviet Union, who got to America, and she said, I've seen this a million times.
First, they spy on you, then they raid your home, then they arrest you, then there's a trial, and then you're gone and you're never heard of again.
In parts of the world, this is actually quite normal.
This is quite usual.
This is the routine course of business in parts of Africa and parts of Eastern Europe.
The difference is, Roger, We've never had that happen here in the United States.
And what it reminds me of was that even though it's been a few years since the military occupation of D.C., we really have to remember that that's how the Biden regime was installed during a time of military occupation, where you had to show your papers if you even wanted to walk around Washington, D.C.
You raise an excellent point.
My own wife, a Cuban-American, born in the United States to Cuban parents, but Who grew up in Havana.
She's seen this all before.
Members of her family have seen it before.
My own Hungarian relatives, they've seen it before.
The people in Europe actually are probably not surprised.
Like in 1963, when John F. Kennedy was assassinated, Americans were shocked.
But Europeans understand that assassination has always played a role, an ugly role, in their history.
World War I was caused by an assassination.
I also think you could make the case that although it is our own government that seeks to erase the Constitution and destroy our freedoms, it is now likely, based on everything we've seen exposed by House Republican committees, that the Chinese have infiltrated our government at the highest possible level.
It is entirely likely.
In fact, I think there is Hard evidence, if not proof, that the Communist Chinese have wired millions of dollars to the chief executive of the United States, who has awesome powers, and whose cabinet is carrying out these authoritarian policies to crush the people under the jackboot of authoritarianism.
It is not incidental that what they are employing here is a complete strategy of distraction.
Oh, cocaine was found in the White House.
We've got to arrest Donald Trump.
Oh, we have found evidence of wires from Burisma Energy to Joe and Hunter Biden.
We must prosecute Donald Trump.
Barack Obama and his wife's personal chef has drowned under what the UK Daily Mail today calls suspicious circumstances.
Oh, we've got to incarcerate Donald Trump.
This is all a strategy of deflection.
In other words, don't look over there, folks.
Look over there at Donald Trump.
Particularly egregious is the fact that the false premise of these charges.
In order for Donald Trump to be guilty of the federal charges filed in DC this week, He has to knowingly have admitted to himself, he has to have known in his heart and his mind that he lost the election and then joined a conspiracy to remain in power.
I think that is unprovable quite simply because I have no doubt whatsoever that the president believed then and now that he was cheated of victory in a corrupted election.
He believes, I think correctly, that he won.
This, in Latin, this is called mens rea.
It is a legal theory, but is now incumbent on Jack Smith to prove what Donald Trump's state of mind was.
That should, in a normal court proceeding, and there'll be nothing normal about this upcoming proceeding, should be extremely difficult.
But, Jack, you were one of the first people in the country, in an interview I saw on Human Events, where you pointed to the likelihood
That they were so hysterical about the likely comeback to the White House of Donald Trump, about his likely victory, that they would almost certainly charge him with sedition, which is in essence treason against the United States, in order to convict him of that crime, which would, they argue at least, make him legally ineligible to be on the ballot, ineligible to run for president.
But they didn't do that.
They used those issues.
It's there by implication.
Great piece by Andy McCarthy in the New York Post to this extent.
Do you think that we may have a superseding indictment here consistent with your prognostication?
Or are they going to try to do this with smoke and mirrors?
Thank you, Roger.
That's a great question.
And I would actually defer to the incredible work on the intrepid work of the great Julie Kelly, who has exactly predicted that.
She says that at the most opportune time, the next time that Biden needs a distraction, the next time they are holding this out for a bad news cycle, whether Hunter Biden, because we know his plea deal was thrown out of court there in Delaware.
Last week, so probably the next time he has a hearing or Devin Archer is set to appear again, whether it be on Tucker or whether it be in front of the U.S.
Congress, that is when more than likely not one, but potentially even three superseding indictments will come down from this Jack Smith testimony or from the Jack Smith grand jury.
And of course, sedition being the top charge.
Now, the sedition charge What it triggers, and people need to understand, they tried this with Madison Cawthorn in North Carolina.
They tried this with Marjorie Taylor Greene in Georgia.
What it carries with is a potential to trigger the 14th Amendment's disqualification clause.
And people but like the likes of Norm Eisen.
Norm Eisen, a gentleman who used to be famous heretofore for his State Department sorties and his dalliances in color revolutions in Eastern Europe.
You might also remember him from such hits as Fortifying the Election and a great piece in Time Magazine that I think pretty much everyone in the Stone Zone has read at this point.
We all know that article.
Norm Eisen is the centerpiece of that article.
His next step has been laying out this legal theory.
And remember, when you have no conception, No greater conception of justice than to you the law is merely a tool to use against your political adversaries and your opponents.
And that's what you're seeing here.
So Norm Eisen has laid out his theory that if and when Donald Trump is charged and convicted of sedition against the United States, not just fraud, but sedition against the United States.
And we can see the seeds of that future indictment that have already been planted throughout the charging documents we see already.
When that is done, it will then trigger the potential for 50 lawsuits and challenges to Donald Trump's ballot access in every single one of the states.
And if the conviction comes down during the primaries, they may even challenge him in the primary itself as to whether or not he can stand for election.
Now, when this was tried to Marjorie Taylor Greene and Madison Cawthorn, it was thrown out because they had not been convicted.
But the problem is, what we're dealing with here is a Washington, D.C.
jury.
And Roger, you, as many others know, that a Washington, D.C.
jury is the most biased jury anywhere in the country when it comes to anyone who's associated with Donald Trump, the political right, conservatives, basically anyone to the right of Joseph Stalin.
And so there is no chance whatsoever that Donald Trump will get a fair trial in the DC district.
That's why the case was brought there.
I've said the other day that Media Matters hasn't picked up on this one yet, but they could they could charge Donald Trump with the murder of Ashley Babbitt and a DC jury would find him guilty.
This is the challenge that we are faced with because if Donald Trump is taken off the ballot, I don't recommend this, but what I'm saying is, then you face a real threat of blowing this country apart at the seams.
And I said this on stage at the Turning Point Action event in West Palm Beach a few weeks ago.
I'm not recommending it, I don't want this, but I do believe that's the course we would be on.
In which case, honestly Roger, this would come down to the Supreme Court There's a few names on that Supreme Court that I think would potentially be a little bit wobbly on that, and I'm not just talking about John Roberts.
No, look, I can tell you firsthand that in the District of Columbia, at least in that particular judicial district, the Constitution, the rules, the law, the evidence, the facts, these things are entirely meaningless.
So those who say, well, this indictment is in fact an opportunity for the president to get subpoena power, And for his lawyers to collect and present all of the evidence of election fraud.
True on paper, but not if the judge doesn't allow it.
The government argued, in my case, that they didn't have to prove that there was any Russian collusion in order to convict me of lying to Congress.
Well then what was my motive?
They alleged that I lied under oath in my voluntary testimony to Congress to hide what?
For what purpose?
If there is no Russian collusion, and we now know definitively that there was none, and there was no WikiLeaks collaboration through me or directly with the Trump campaign, period, then what was there that was material to lie about?
The answer is nothing, but in the District of Columbia, don't look for logic or reason within this system.
Julie Kelly, I think, is a brilliant investigative journalist.
I read her regularly and I agree with you.
And I agree with that analysis.
If you really want to know what's going to happen, all you really have to do is watch the MSNBC ravings of former prosecutor Andrew Weissman, or follow his Twitter feed, and you will get a very reliable barometer of exactly what is going to transpire.
That's because He's advising those who were involved in this illicit effort.
It's amazing to me, the New York Times, the once great New York Times writes, the special counsel Jack Smith has undertaken two historic investigations with remarkable speed, aggressiveness and apparent indifference to collateral political consequences.
This is, that's laughable.
I mean, that's, that's clown world right there.
Yes, they are historic.
Historic in the sense that the Presidential Documents Act of 1977 clearly indicates that President Trump can do anything he wants whatsoever with his documents, including determining which of those documents is personal.
And which of them have to be returned to the National Archive.
And the judge who upheld that act is none other than Judge Amy Berman Jackson, who sat in my trial and who evidently, according to Twitter, sat in the back of the courtroom when the president was arraigned.
But she held that President Bill Clinton could do anything with his documents he wanted, including keeping them in his sock drawer.
So, yes, that investigation is certainly historic because there's No law violated there, as is this investigation.
But to say that he's indifferent to collateral political consequences, I would argue the whole purpose of these prosecutions is for collateral political consequences.
What do you think, Jack?
Roger, that's exactly right.
You know, we'll heard the Republican candidate from the CIA
Actually said this recently and by the way, I have to just say thank you to the CIA because they used to just prop up candidates But now they're having the agents openly run for president So it makes it much easier to figure out who's getting their talking points from where so I appreciate that from that perspective Even though you know, if you try to hide it, we'll find you anyway, but Will Hurd said recently that he said Donald Trump He was booed off of stage in Iowa, by the way for saying this said Donald Trump Will Hurd is running for president to keep out of prison.
This was the last thing he said at one of these, uh, Iowa forums.
He was then, uh, very quickly booed off of stage and ushered out of the room.
Will Hurd is correct, but he has his cause and effect reversed here.
Um, they are linked.
Absolutely.
But Donald Trump is being, they're trying to put Donald Trump in prison because he is running for president again.
If he went home, if he went back to his family, if he went back to Mar-a-Lago, all of this would go away.
There wouldn't be any charges against him or they would find some way to settle it like they're doing with Hunter Biden.
There would be no pressing urge because this is the same pathogen response that we've seen from the system, the administrative state, the permanent state, the permanent class, whatever name you want to label it since 2015.
Since the early days of Spygate and Russiagate and the collusion that never existed.
And Roger, look, I sat with you during that trial.
Well, not with you.
You were in a different seat.
But I sat through your trial and listened to the hemming and hawing of the D.C.
jury system and the jurors.
And I actually got into it with Kyle Chaney of Politico earlier this week on Twitter because he said, you know, I've been into many of those cases and the The jury selection process is rigorous and extensive.
Rigorous and extensive, really.
It's the honor system.
They say something, you bring up the social media posts or bring up the background of the jury foreman, as we saw in your case, you bring all of this up to Amy Berman Jackson, explain how this person is a dyed-in-the-wool Trump hater, has tweeted about Roger Stone specifically, has talked about her bias against him, Amy Berman Jackson sees no problem with it whatsoever and decides to completely disregard it.
That's the level of justice you get in the Washington, D.C.
District Court.
And I've sat there for hours and hours on end viewing it being, shall we say, misdelivered.
And so I understand why they are doing this, because at the same time, when you look at the polls and we switch to this, Emerson, New York Times, Sienna, Marist, Monmouth.
These are not some right-wing polling firm.
If anything, New York Times has been in their polling has been very, very negative.
Manhattan, Ipsos, Reuters, et cetera.
I'm just going through here a little bit.
They've got Trump at numbers that he's never seen even in the general election of 2020.
He's now polling ahead of Joe Biden in states like Michigan.
And so, Donald Trump's only real opponent at this point in the primary, I would submit, is the Department of Justice.
What you say is, of course, absolutely true.
The jury forewoman in my case, who had been a Democratic candidate for Congress, and who was a protege of Democratic operative Donna Brazile, said during jury selection she was unfamiliar with my case, didn't really quite know who I was,
And then it is only because the revelations by Mike Cernovich, a great investigative journalist and commentator, that we learned that she had not only attacked me by name regarding the very case in which she was selected as a juror, but she also attacked President Trump.
And she specifically said, anyone who supports Trump, that would be me, must be a racist.
I'm not a racist.
The judge Jackson actually ruled that there was no reason why the juror would know that Roger Stone and Donald Trump were friends or that I supported Donald Trump.
Yes, I know.
Absurd.
Again, the rules, common sense, logic, reason, the Constitution, the evidence, the law, these things are meaningless when the court is in session.
Kyle Cheney is not a judicial reporter or a legal reporter.
He's a propagandist.
He's a distortionist.
And I found that to be true completely during my trial.
Now let's turn to the issue you just raised, because it's so completely and totally counterintuitive.
Normally, as you know, when a candidate for public office is criminally or even civilly charged, usually their candidacies Collapse.
And that was the fondest wish of those who seek to persecute the president.
It has had the exact direct opposite effect.
I had an opportunity to travel with the president recently.
And I must tell you, first and foremost, his resilience, his determination, his resolution, his even temper, his sense of humor.
It is really something to behold.
I honestly think it is true that Donald Trump is best in crisis.
He is best when under attack.
He is best when he is at war.
And he knows that this isn't about him personally, as he's said many times.
It's not about him.
It's us that they seek to destroy.
And Donald Trump just stands in the way.
But they have been driven to new heights of hysteria By the fact that, as you point out, his poll ratings are better than they have ever been in the history of his foray into politics.
I've never seen anything quite like it.
I actually, although I most certainly would have supported him, I wondered when he announced whether he could recapture the magic.
There was no reason for me to wonder.
They have turbocharged his candidacy.
They have reminded everybody of his enormous courage.
They've reminded everybody that he is and remains an outsider, even though he was an incumbent president of the United States.
He's an insurgent.
And now I think it is abundantly clear, terrific piece about this in Breitbart several months ago, that he gets the big picture now.
In other words, I think when he first went to Washington, since he didn't come from the world of politics, he honestly thought that there were two parties, the Republicans and the Democrats.
The Democrats would oppose him.
The Republicans would rally around him the way they had rallied around Ronald Reagan, the last outsider who was elected president.
I worked on three of his presidential campaigns, 1976, 1980, and 1984.
He remains among the greatest presidents.
In our history.
So unfortunately, the president learned the hard way that many within the Republican Party, many in the two party elitist duopoly, were trying to get rid of him from the moment he came down the escalator, from the moment he was sworn in.
When you look at his incredible record as president, in view of that, it's even more astounding.
He gave us the most robust economy in our history, record job creation, record wage growth, the lowest level of unemployment ever recorded among black Americans, White Americans, Hispanic Americans, young, old, urban, rural.
He brought billions of dollars back into the country by changing the tax treatment of those dollars to be invested here to create jobs and opportunity here.
He rebuilt our military strength, which had frankly been allowed to atrophy under Barack Obama.
He appointed scores of conservatives to the federal courts.
And his foreign policy was based on unpredictability.
The Russians, the Chinese, they didn't bait him.
They didn't make moves out of fear of what he might do.
He understood the great value of unpredictability.
He's said it in numerous speeches.
He told Putin and he told Xi, you move on Ukraine or you move on Taiwan, we're going to hit you.
We're going to hit you like you've never been hit.
The implication, of course, is nuclear.
And as the president himself has said, would I really have done that?
It doesn't matter.
As long as they thought there was a 10% chance that I would, it kept the peace.
And indeed, there were no moves on Ukraine during the Trump presidency.
And in fact, there were no new wars.
The high watermark of his presidency is that he is then and now The peace candidate.
So let's get into the Republican contest.
Jack, is the race for the Republican nomination for president over?
You know, Roger, I, um, I look at these polls every day and I see the fundraising.
I look at the numbers in terms of what we can see so far, because of course we're a few months out.
So there's time still four months away from actual voting.
Um, in the Iowa caucuses, there's a lot of money still on the table.
There's a lot of money that's been spent and there's still a number of candidates that are in the race.
In fact, the debates themselves don't take place for another 19 days here in Milwaukee.
And the question is still out as to whether President Trump will participate.
That being said, I've never seen a situation like this to have a candidate like Governor DeSantis, who, just look on paper, right?
Just look on paper.
If you're looking at the numbers without actually analyzing the situation or the mood in the nation, he's spent $35 million from his Super PAC, another $8 to $10 million from his campaign coffers themselves.
He's been traveling the country.
He's got a bestseller out, HarperCollins.
He's been able to perform generally well, at least in terms of the last Election in Florida.
On paper, you'd think that he would be an extremely formidable candidate.
And yet when we look at the latest polls, he's now polling at 13% nationally.
He's flirting with the tweens.
He's flirting with single digits at this point.
So I don't understand how you can go back to your donors.
And this is the thing.
Once you start opening that box and analyzing the actual fundamentals of the situation, As if it were a, you know, if you were on CNBC, you'd be analyzing a stock, analyzing the fundamentals.
You'd find that that campaign is extremely top heavy.
85% of their donations are coming in from high dollar donors.
That means only 15% are from small dollar donors.
Now that means you can raise a lot of money.
That means you can go up on TV.
That means you can have a lot of Learned media and paid media across the country, but if you don't start converting voters, then that doesn't translate into electoral success.
And this has been the issue that the DeSantis campaign has fundamentally misread the room and never once articulated a specific plan for how they were going to convert Trump voters into DeSantis voters.
I have yet to actually see that.
Instead, you get platitudes or you get answers like today, which are starkly in contrast with where Trump voters currently stand, to wit, responding to a reporter at an event in Iowa earlier today when asked about the 2020 election fraud or the claims of election fraud from his rival, Donald Trump, for which he's basically being indicted this week.
DeSantis responds in saying those theories have been unsubstantiated.
Those theories have been unsubstantiated.
Well, the problem with that is that you're running in the Republican primary and I don't know if anyone's told him that he's running in the Republican primary.
He's not a lawyer in a courtroom right now at this point.
Seven out of ten Republicans believe that there was fraud in the election of 2020.
And so for you to come out in disagreement with 70% of the electorate, I am not sure where the political strategy, the political calculations, or the political instincts are to win in a case like that.
And furthermore, Roger, what it does is it doesn't show the level of, shall we say, fighting spirit that Republicans and conservatives and so many independents right now are looking for when it comes to a candidate.
They want to see someone who's willing to take a stand, to not be mealy-mouthed, who's willing to be bold, who's willing to go to bat for them.
And so when it seems like you're being careful about how you're going to answer a question, when you're being overly cautious about how you're dressed or how you appear, et cetera, et cetera.
And I don't mean, you know, taking care of it.
I mean, being cautious.
I mean, being timid.
I believe voters can sense that.
I believe voters have taken a look at Governor DeSantis and the others out there that, honestly, outside of Vivek Ramaswamy, I don't think really bear much discussion.
He's an interesting case.
I don't think it's going to win the nomination, but I think it's an interesting test case because you've got Vivek Ramaswamy out there, who's a man who has never worked in politics a day in his life, has never done anything politically.
And yet he's now polling neck and neck in some of these races for the third position and breathing down his neck in a few of the other states, actually on top of DeSantis in Ohio, which is Ramaswamy's home state.
And so the reason he's able to do that is because simply he's read the room.
He shows up at places like these indictments.
He goes to Nashville.
He asks for the trans shooters manifesto to come out.
He's shown he has an ability to read the room, regurgitate it back, what people are concerned with.
This is 101 level sales technique.
And I don't understand for the life of me why it is that the governor and his team have not been able to figure this out.
And so Roger, as it stands, barring some some extreme extreme event happening or possibly a health event happening with one or more of the candidates, I believe the primary at this point is over.
Jack, I actually think the DeSantis campaign could be seven to eight weeks.
Until they are flat broke, meaning their candidacy is over.
If you look at the second quarter FEC report, DeSantis spent $7.9 million in the quarter and had about $9.2 million remaining for use in the primaries.
That's now taking mind the maximum contributions of those who have already donated for the general election.
Those funds can not be touched.
Spending $7.9 million in those first Six weeks means their burn rate was about $1.3 million a week in the quarter, and then adjusting to the new 38% less after firing a bunch of people, that means their overhead is now still about $800,000 a week.
At least we know that they say that his private plane travel would be curtailed.
When I see him flying commercial, I'll believe it.
So if he ended the quarter with $9.2 million in primary money available, and he spends about $1.3 million a week for the first three weeks of July and $800,000 for the most recent week, he's likely to have spent about $4.7 million beyond what he's likely to have spent about $4.7 million beyond what we know based on the reports.
Therefore, even bringing his overhead down, my guess is that his actual cash on hand could be as low as $4.5 million.
Now, I have not factored in net revenues for July because I believe their fundraising is dead.
They have probably pushed off bills from a number of vendors, but the best case scenario right now is that they have somewhere around $4.5 million in the bank with a burn rate of around $800,000 a week, being generous, even if they could bring it down to $500,000, they will run out of money by October 1st.
This demonstrates the folly of relying entirely on extremely wealthy, maxed out donors and bundlers.
Santus has not built a large base of small and medium-sized donors.
That is precisely what fuels the Trump campaign.
Donald Trump has never, not in 2016, even as an incumbent, never been the toast of the establishment billionaire class, and he never will be.
What he has built is a reliable, very broad-based, low and middle dollar fundraising base which will sustain him, meaning that if a plumber Who lives in Nebraska gave $100 once.
That same plumber can give $100 eight or nine times before the general election.
That is what broad-based grassroots fundraising is all about.
But one cannot do broad-based grassroots fundraising if one does not have a broad-based grassroots base.
And there's no evidence that Governor DeSantis has.
And now it's actually even a little worse than you say, Jack.
It's true that 7 and 10 Republicans don't believe the last elections were honest and fair, and they believe that there was voter fraud, but another 15% say they're not sure.
So in other words, they're not even saying, no, the elections were definitely on the up and up.
So I think that Ron is running in the New York Times primary as opposed to the Republican primary.
In all honesty, stick a fork in him.
I think he's about done.
And then recently, in an interview that I saw, he started musing about his wife running for public office.
Sorry to have gotten there first, but I predicted some weeks ago that after his presidential candidacy bombs out, with his term ending in 2026 and with no U.S.
Senate race to potentially contend for, Until 2028, that his wife will run for governor.
I still believe this is the case.
I was with one of the individuals who might be in that field, Congressman Byron Donalds, who gave an extraordinarily dynamic speech to the Miami Young Republicans the night before last.
I guess it was actually last night.
Seems like days ago now.
There's some speculation that Congressman Matt Gaetz could run.
Alfie Oaks, the activist multi-millionaire, is thought to be considering a race.
So I think that the DeSantis's have become addicted to the lifestyle, they've become addicted to hobnobbing with the elites, to the private planes, to the pomp and trappings of being governor.
But I would predict you, yet again, for the record, and it's perfectly legal, she can do this if she wishes, Casey DeSantis will end up being a candidate for governor of Florida at the end of Ron DeSantis's term.
Well, you know, Roger, that may actually be part of an explanation for why the DeSantis camp made what seemed to a lot of people be this unforced error by openly and publicly attacking Byron Donalds over this latest controversy over the Florida education standards in the textbook.
And for the record, I looked at the textbook and I didn't see anything in there that seemed extremely controversial one way or the other.
Um, Byron Donald said that he had an issue with it.
The congressman said that he wanted to change the wording of a certain part of it.
Fine.
That's his prerogative.
Uh, it seemed as though he was more than willing to work with the administration.
I didn't even see him as coming out as, uh, as an anti-DeSantis type of rhetoric in terms of this.
And yet the DeSantis campaign, uh, started blasting him over this, which created a much larger rift.
Tim Scott got involved, many others.
And it may be very well that they're reading the same tea leaves that you're looking at down there, and I try to avoid Florida politics as much as possible, but of course I hear things as well, that they may be trying to tear down Byron Donald standing if he is interested in running for that seat.
That being said though, Roger, you mentioned that
That they don't have any Senate seats coming up, but I would ask people to look into the situation of Ben Sasse and Pete Ricketts up in Nebraska to find out why was it that Ben Sasse abruptly resigned in the middle of his Senate term, heads down to Florida, takes a job with the Florida State University system, a plum job, I believe a million dollar salary per year,
And then all of a sudden, Pete Ricketts finds himself appointed by his own successor to that open Senate seat that was left because Ben Sasse was able to move down to, just magically I see, found this seat down in Florida, this new job down in Florida, and then the Ricketts family turns around and is supporting Ron DeSantis.
It's very interesting, Roger.
I can't imagine, though, that any of those things would be connected.
No, they're not connected at all.
So the fact that Ricketts funded the election of his successor, who then turned around and appointed him to the U.S.
Senate.
Jack, that's some kind of crazy conspiracy theory.
The Cornhusker kickback must be some kind of, or what do they call it, the Ricketts swindle.
That's how they do it in Nebraska, apparently.
I find it very interesting.
Keeping an eye on those plum jobs down in Florida to see if anyone wants to offer one of those, possibly the Florida Health Service to Rick Scott or some trade deal or something or other to Marco Rubio, though I don't know that Rubio would go for it.
That being said, congratulations to America's newest appointed senator, Pete Ricketts.
I don't think that's going to happen.
First of all, I strongly support Marco Rubio for re-election.
I think that he will run.
That race, of course, is not until 2020.
Yeah, I don't think either of them would actually do it.
So I don't think there's going to be an opportunity or an opening there for former Governor DeSantis.
I thought at one time that he would realize that he's not going to win the presidential race and that he would therefore stockpile and warehouse a lot of this money for a future race.
Although there is a substantial question about whether you can take $83 million from a state-created electioneering communications organization and transfer it to a federal PAC.
They have done that.
I know Florida Republicans who gave $30,000 to the friends of Ron DeSantis because they thought they were supporting the governor's reelection, only to find that organization change its name, some amorphous, bland slogan, and then have some amorphous, bland slogan, and then have the money from that organization transferred to Never Stand Down.
So I think that's illegal.
There is a legal action against it, but it won't matter because Governor DeSantis seems determined to burn through all of the money.
Perhaps that's why he basically paid a bribe of a million dollars to the Speaker of the Florida House, transferring that million dollars to a brand new PAC controlled by the Speaker in return for the amendment to Florida state law, transferring that million dollars to a brand new PAC controlled by the Speaker in return for the amendment to Florida state law, which allows he and
So in other words, Ron DeSantis keeps the fulcrum of the governorship for fundraising purposes, not because he wants to do the job because candidly, we have a home insurance crisis.
We have a malaria crisis.
We have a utility cost crisis.
It was recently revealed that 15 million gallons worth of raw sewage were inadvertently dumped off the coast of Florida at Delray Beach.
And our governor, where's he?
He's in New Hampshire running for president.
So I do think that it showed a certain lack of confidence that he would not give up the governorship in order to pursue a candidacy for president.
I think his presidential candidacy is essentially over.
The big event that was supposed to fuel his rise took place last week.
I think he was always betting on the president being incapacitated, President Trump, and there's no evidence whatsoever that that is going to happen.
All right, we are about out of time.
Jack Posobiec of Human Events, I want to thank you very much for entering the Stone Zone today.
Final thoughts?
Thank you, Roger, so much for having me on again.
Look, and I think a lot of people need to understand, go look at, there's some tweets up today by Scott Horton.
He's an anti-war guy, not a Trump fan, but even he publicly came around and said, after seeing what they've done to President Trump in terms of all of this, I would even consider backing him just to spite the left, just to spite the regime.
That is the same sentiment that's going on across the centrists, across the middle, across the independents, because that is the quintessential American spirit.
We fight for the underdog against the Goliath, the regime.
That is the force that is propelling, and as you say, supercharging Donald Trump's candidacy, not only in this primary, but will carry him through the election and into the Rust Belt.
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God bless, Roger.
You as well.
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Roger, thank you so much for having me on the Stone Zone.
It's a blessing and an honor to be on here every week.
I just pulled up that tweet that Jack was talking about from Scott Horton, and he writes, I've always hated Trump.
He was a horrible president, which I disagree with, obviously.
Then he goes on and says, and would be a horrible president again.
He'd probably make Benjamin Netanyahu, Prime Minister of the Senate, give Israel, Florida, and H-bombs.
But still, I hate liberals so much that I'm considering supporting him for revenge purposes anyway.
And I believe that that's the resounding theme of many people across the United States, liberals and conservatives, that the more that President Trump gets indicted, the more that people go against him and attack him, the more support he obviously gets.
It's in the poll numbers.
And I believe that Democrats are beginning to wake up to what is going on.
Just a few hours ago, President Trump put on Truth Social.
He says, isn't it terrible that a political opponent can haphazardly charge you with fake crimes in the middle of your campaign in order to interfere with your time and message?
And there is nothing that you can do to stop this travesty of justice?
They had two and a half years to file long before the campaign started.
Another Russia, Russia, Russia hoax.
Should not be allowed to happen.
I certainly agree with President Trump on this.
This should not be allowed to happen.
When you look six years ago, or excuse me, eight years ago, they did the exact same things.
They cried Russia.
They cried election fraud.
They cried Uh, interference in the elections.
They did this with Stacey Abrams' governor race in Georgia.
They keep doing, they're attacking President Trump for doing the exact same things that they have done, not only in just recent years, but for the last 20 years, uh, when it was George Bush against Al Gore.
They continue to do the same thing over and over and over again, but when President Trump does it, it's the worst thing in the world.
Rules for me, but not for thee.
That's exactly right.
So the moral of this story, I guess, is that if you question the outcome of an election, that's an egregious crime for which you should be put in jail.
Unless, of course, you are Kamala Harris, or Nancy Pelosi, or Jerry Nadler, or Chuck Schumer, or Stacey Abrams, or Jamie Raskin, or Adam Schiff, in which case it's perfectly all right for you to question the election.
It is the two-tiered justice system absolutely writ large.
I showed a great video this week on the Stone Zone of Democrat after Democrat after Democrat questioning the 2000 election.
A hundred House Democrats voted against certification of the Electoral College in 2016.
2016.
Not a single one of them Was charged with conspiracy against the United States, although the hundred of them got together to vote together, which means they acted in concert.
This is an absurdity.
And as I said at the top of the show, there's no doubt in my mind that if Donald Trump were not leading both for the Republican nomination and in the trial heats with Joe Biden, none of this would be happening.
Alex, I'm gonna let you have the last word.
I certainly agree with you.
President Trump writes just a little bit ago, if they come after me, I'm coming after them.
And that's exactly what President Trump is going to do when he's in the Oval Office again.
There will be justice when President Trump wins, and it's going to be one heck of a time for me to watch.
And I bet you as well, because you've gone through a whole bunch of hell.
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