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Lee Harvey Oswald's Former Lover Judyth Vary Baker Joins Roger Stone In The StoneZONE
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And now, Lindell TV brings you The Stone Zone, with legendary Republican strategist and political icon, and pundit, Roger Stone.
Stone has served as a senior campaign aide to three Republican presidents.
He is a New York Times bestselling author, and a longtime friend and advisor of President Donald Trump.
As an outspoken libertarian, Stone has appeared on thousands of broadcasts, spoken at countless venues, and lectured before the prestigious Oxford Political Union and the Cambridge Union Society.
Due to his four-plus decades in the political and cultural arena, Stone has become a pop culture icon.
And now, here's your host, Roger Stone.
Welcome.
I'm Roger Stone.
We're about to enter the Stone Zone.
We here at the Stone Zone have endeavored to bring you guests and interviews that you won't see at any place else.
Among our most popular and widely viewed shows have been shows that reveal the facts and the truth about the assassination of President John F. Kennedy on November 22, 1963.
Today, however, we bring you a very special guest, a friend of mine of several decades.
Judith Vary Baker is an epic whistleblower and a witness to history, an author, Researcher and crusader for truth and justice, particularly in connection with the assassination of JFK.
As a precocious savant in the area of cancer research in the early 1960s, Judith found herself in New Orleans in spring of 1963, where she became entangled with people and circumstances that thrust her into the midst of history-altering events.
Soon after arriving in the Big Easy, Judith met and began a love affair with a young intelligence operative working at the direction of his CIA controllers while maintaining a mundane cover as a pro-Castro-Marxist militant.
That young paramour was Lee Harvey Oswald.
Judith has chronicled the incredible story of her intimate relationship with the man who was marked for death as the patsy accused of assassinating President John F. Kennedy.
And she details it in her book, Me and Lee, How I Came to Love and Lose Lee Harvey Oswald.
Beyond her encyclopedic knowledge, which is firsthand about Lee Oswald, Oswald, Judith was among a close coterie of researchers and medical experts indirectly in the employ of American intelligence tasked to work on a highly sensitive covert program aimed at weaponizing cancer as a tool for carrying out assassinations Judith was among a close coterie of researchers and medical experts indirectly in the employ of American intelligence tasked
Judith's work would take a dark turn in August 1963 when she was coerced to participate in the testing of this deadly new virus on black prisoners held in a Louisiana state prison.
The virus was to be used as a means to assassinate Cuban dictator Fidel Castro, with its delivery to Cuba originally planned to be carried out by Lee Harvey Oswald, who would have been touting his communist bona fides as a former defector to the Soviet Union.
In November, Judith's life was forever changed when she watched the love of her life be murdered in cold blood on live TV.
In a book directed nightclub owner by the name of Jack Ruby.
What followed for Judith were decades of living a life of silent obscurity with the ever-present threat of death hanging over her head if she ever dared speak about what she knew and had witnessed.
Judith's lifelong hopes and dreams of lending her substantial talent as a bio-researcher to finding a cure for cancer We're abruptly ended before she was even 21 years old.
Only after her children had become adults and began their own lives, nearly three decades after the events of 1963, did Judith Barry Baker resolve to step forward and dedicate her entire life to pursuing justice for Lee Harvey Oswald and President John F. Kennedy.
It has cost her dearly.
Hello.
alienating her family from her and bringing the sort of subversion and sabotage that only the deep state is capable of inflicting on a person who is committed to telling the truth.
Judith Baker is my friend, I'm proud to say it, and she is in the truest sense of the word, a courageous whistleblower.
Welcome to the Stone Zone, Judith Very Baker.
Hello, it's good to see you again.
and wish I could give you a big hug.
Thank you.
Well, Judith, I have been an admirer of yours and an absolute believer, having read your book, although I admit to you it was decades ago.
And I know that things have not been easy for you.
That is the lot of the truth teller.
But I know that in the end you are committed to the truth.
And what's interesting about today is that it gives us a window into two huge historical events.
Not only the assassination of John F. Kennedy and the murder of Lee Oswald in an attempt to cover up the truth about that assassination, but I think your insights into the COVID-19 pandemic will also be extraordinarily useful.
Do you have any preliminary remarks before I begin this battery of questions?
Not really.
Let's go.
All right.
It has been said that history doesn't necessarily repeat itself, but at certain times it rhymes in many ways.
Therefore, I'd like to begin our conversation with the very timely and current subject, the weaponization of viruses as a means of terrorizing the global population While creating the circumstances for totalitarian government control and massive windfalls to these giant interests with Big Pharma and its tentacles at the top of that short roster of beneficiaries.
I understand the Stone Zone may have an exclusive piece of breaking news here today, namely that you have definitively established a genetic link between the SV40 monkey virus
Which you had worked to develop into a vector for weaponized cancer at the behest of the government and the coronavirus released on the world just over three years ago, resulting, unfortunately, in untold death and destruction on the people of our country and the world.
Please give our viewers a layperson's explanation of weaponized cancer and how it became connected to COVID.
All right, imagine, as you will, the specter of Fidel Castro on an island there only 90 miles from Florida, where my family lived.
I was at the University of Florida.
And they're aiming nuclear weapons at you.
I was dating, at that point I had dated, I should say, Tony Lopez-Brisket.
Who was he?
He was the finance minister of Cuba's son.
Rufo Lopez Presquet was Castro's finance minister.
Because his wife was an American, he sent his sons to Florida.
And I learned a lot about, since Rufo was CIA, I learned a lot from Tony about what was going on.
I was sincerely anti-Castro.
So it was easy to recruit me, you see, into a project where I learned that Fidel Castro, of course, was the... if I didn't get involved, others would, because Castro had many attempts made on his life by the CIA, according to some reports, over a hundred times.
Of course, the idea, what if you could create something that would kill him without having to blame the United States?
So you can understand the value there would be in some kind of toxic.
They tried, for example, botulism in a diving suit.
But who is going to give him the diving suit?
Well, in this case, Castro had a number of physicians and doctors he trusted, but he didn't He didn't know all of the techs.
He didn't know all the x-ray people.
He didn't know all the people that might contaminate, for example, penicillin and turn it into a dose of vigorous, destructive cancer.
Can you imagine?
Cells.
Now, why would we even think of such a thing?
Why would the CIA?
Dr. Altmaxler, who brought me into New Orleans, and by the way, they had given me Two, almost two years of fast track training.
We have, um, newspaper articles, for example, to say that my next assignment is to try and make cancer most deadly.
Why would we want to make cancer most deadly?
Um, when I say most deadly, we, I was working a lot at that time of various, um, types of, we, let me put this more so everybody can understand.
This SV40 monkey virus.
Was in the polio vaccine.
They didn't know it because it's very small.
It was a DNA virus instead of an RNA.
Quite small.
It got through the filters.
And when people were getting their shots first, or they were getting the sugar cube, unfortunately this contamination was in it.
The SV is simian, which means monkey.
The virus.
Simian virus 40 is SV40.
Now, the SB40 monkey virus, unfortunately, is prevalent in most of the, it was until at least 1999.
The CDC says they only gave out 98 million of these contaminated polio vaccines to everybody.
What does simian virus cause?
It causes what's called polioma.
That means a whole different variety of cancers.
It does it in hamsters, it does it in mice, it does it in monkeys.
And we're supposed to believe that doesn't do it in human beings.
Well, when we enhanced it, we knew it would.
Now, why would we want to do something like that?
Well, I was told it was just for Fidel Castro.
I should have, I was so young and I believed, I didn't believe that anybody would go and use this or weaponize it later.
But, you know, I'm sorry, it's very difficult for me to talk about this because I got involved.
When we had to go and work with this and test it on prisoners, it wasn't just blacks, there were whites, they used a number.
And finally, they sent them to a mental hospital in Jackson.
These prisoners had been working on the chain gang, okay, in Angola Prison.
And they, of course, they're going to volunteer to just sit around in the mental hospital and get a few shots.
Helping cancer research, but they didn't know that if it worked, it would kill them.
And because I, I did my best to try and do everything I could in my power to convince the people I was working with that this was something I just couldn't go along with.
And they kicked me out of cancer research forever because of it.
Now here's what it is.
I'm going to make this as simple as I can so that everybody can understand.
You've got a virus that you know causes cancer in all kinds of mammals.
And to say that it won't cause cancer in humans, we are talking about a virus that is latent.
An example of a latent virus is herpes.
If you get chickenpox, for example, years later you can get herpes on your A mouth or inside your mouth or around your eyes and so on.
And it's very uncomfortable.
Wait a few more years and it can become shingles.
Now that originally started as chickenpox.
So it stayed in your system for years and years.
Now we know that the simian virus, this SB40 monkey virus, takes a while in nature to show up in monkeys.
And it's going to take a little while longer to show up, we believe, in humans.
We have found in those autopsies that have been performed, this was done by Carbone, we found out that about 60% of all the tumors that he investigated had SV40 monkey virus in it.
Now there's something called promoters.
That is a certain part of that virus that if you take it out, you can actually use it to create cancer anytime you want.
And I've done it myself.
You know, in test tubes and so on.
They took the monkeys, first of all, the virus, they took it from the rhesus monkey, who's not affected by it, injected into the African green monkey, who immediately, they developed cancer within weeks.
And those monkeys, then they would take this virus that the monkeys had of cancer, and they would inject it into mice.
This is what we did.
They did this for almost two years.
I came in on the last half of this project.
By injecting it into the mice, some of the mice would develop tumors, not all, but they always selected the ones that made the biggest, fastest tumors.
They did not care what this monkey virus was anymore because they kept zapping it with radiation.
They kept mutating it.
Honestly, it doesn't matter.
It didn't matter to the CIA or to the Others who were working in this ring of labs that I was associated with.
The whole point was to get something that was so virulent that it couldn't be stopped, that would develop in the human body.
You understand, we're very good at fighting cancer.
All of us carry certain cells within our bodies that are already cancerous, and we can fight them off if our immune system is in good shape.
Unfortunately, our immune systems are being attacked, especially these days when COVID Now, there are connections between COVID and the monkey virus, and I want to talk about that.
You see, years ago, we were talking about the monkey virus and how we enhanced it, and we ended up with something we don't know what we had.
Imagine taking the biggest, fastest growing tumors, cutting them out, getting the virus out, taking that virus and injecting it into another round of mice.
And we did, like, in the end, we were doing 500 mice at a time.
We probably went through about at least 75,000, maybe 100,000 mice in those two years.
Then they went through at least 80 monkeys.
They went through marmosets.
Anyway, the end product is this.
We did not even know what we had anymore.
It did not matter because it was gain of function.
Some of you must have heard that term before, gain of function.
You take any virus and you can make it more deadly.
All right?
And then, uh, What, release it on the people?
I want to tell you right now, we have some serious problems with the World Health Organization, the Economic Forum, the World Economic Forum, and we have certain entities in our own government that are just, they're just fine with developing biological weapons.
I call them bio-weapons, and that is catching on.
Certainly you can say it in fewer letters.
on a headline.
And the headline, if it says bioweapon development, should be stopped.
Bioweapon development is a gross problem that we have, and it's all over the world.
And we're going to kill each other off with this.
In this case, we're talking about the monkey virus, way back in the 1960s, has remained, and we can follow it from where the first work was done in New York, and it was sent to us In New Orleans, we developed it.
I can show you my book.
The update of me and Lee is called Lee Harvey Oswald and me.
And you can get it by writing to me, by the way, at jfkconference at yahoo.com and I can get you the book.
You can get the book from me.
Explain to my audience the history of your relationship with Lee Oswald.
And a history of your relationship with him and why you are absolutely certain, as I am, that he is not the man who killed President John F. Kennedy.
Well, you've been very patient with me and not interrupting me, but I'll say just one more thing about this.
We have traced the, what we call promoters, cancer promoters, from the monkey virus.
We have found them in samples, not all of them, We know they exist in certain samples, and it's the same stuff that we work with.
In other words, the prediction is a sad one.
I want to tell you that we have a great danger that anyone who took like two or three of these shots, if they got the ones that had the real virus in it, and I'm talking about actually was, it wasn't a dummy, it wasn't, you know, saline solution or something, please take good care of yourselves because it's easy Okay.
to get cancer, have cancer develop from this.
And predict we're going to have a terrible cancer epidemic.
I'm sorry to say so.
We've got to stop messenger RNA.
We must stop it.
All right?
That's the bottom line.
Okay.
Did we lose our connection?
Okay.
Okay.
Well, in the meantime, folks, this is Roger Stone.
You are on the Stone Zone.
Give me the sharp material, if you would.
The sharp material?
I'm not certain why we lost our guest, but we did.
She is a brilliant bioresearcher with an important message for us about gain of research and All right.
That was unexpected.
Here is an update for those who have been following the saga of Hunter Biden, which was the other topic I wanted to cover on today's show.
If you watched what happened yesterday in a Delaware courtroom, it really is mind boggling.
Here specifically is a presentation by Will Scharf on Twitter.
Which I found to be the most compelling explanation of what transpired.
Based on conversations with people in the courtroom, and in his experience as a former federal prosecutor, I think I understand the full story of what happened with Hunter Biden's plea agreement, which blew up yesterday morning.
You might want to bear with the writer, it's a bit complicated.
Typically, if the government is offering to a defendant that it will either drop charges or decline to bring new charges in return for the defendant's guilty plea, plea is structured under Federal Rule of Crime Procedure 11C1A, an agreement not to prosecute Hunter for Foreign Agents Registration Act violations or other crimes in return for his pleading guilty to a tax misdemeanor, for example,
Uh, which would normally be under C1A plea.
This open, transparent subject is subject to judicial approval.
In Hunter's case, according to what folks in the courtroom have reported, Hunter's plea was structured under Federal Rule Criminal Procedure 11C1B, which is usually just a plea in return for a joint sentencing recommendation only, and contained no information on its face, about other potential charges and contained no other clear agreement by DOJ to forego prosecution of other charges.
Instead, DOJ and Hunter's lawyers effectively hid that part of the agreement in which was publicly described as a pretrial diversion agreement relating to Public Law 922 G3, a gun charge against Hunter for being a drug user In possession of a firearm.
This pretrial diversion agreement, as written, was actually much, much broader than the gun charge that was publicly reported.
If Hunter were to complete probation, the pretrial diversion agreement prevented DOJ from ever bringing any other charges against Hunter for any other crime relating to the offense conduct discussed in the plea agreement, which was purposely written to include his foreign influence peddling Operations in China and elsewhere.
So they put the facts in the plea agreement, but put their non-prosecution agreement, actually buried it, in the pretrial diversion agreement, effectively hiding the full scope of what DOJ was offering and Hunter was obtaining through those proceedings.
Hunter's upside from this deal was vast, broad immunity from further prosecution if he finished a couple years of probation.
And the public wouldn't be any wiser because none of this was clearly stated on the face of the plea agreement as would normally be the case.
Judge Noriega smelled a rat.
She understood that the lawyers were trying to paint her into a corner and hide the ball.
Instead, she backed the Department of Justice and Hunter's lawyers into a corner by pulling all the details out into the open and then indicating That she wasn't going to approve a deal as broad as what she had inadvertently discovered.
Department of Justice, attempting to save face and save its case, then stated on the record that the investigation into Hunter was ongoing and that Hunter remained susceptible to prosecution under the Foreign Agents Registration Act.
Hunter's lawyers exploded.
They clearly believe that FARA was covered under the deal because, as written, the pre-trial diversion agreement was broad enough to cover it.
They blew up the deal, Hunter pled not guilty, and that is the current state of play.
So here we are today.
Hunter Biden's lawyers and the Department of Justice are going off and trying to put together a new set of agreements, likely far narrower, to satisfy the judge.
Fortunately, I doubt if the Foreign Agents Registration Act or any other charges related to Hunter's foreign influence peddling will be included, which leaves open the possibility to future investigations leading to further prosecutions.
I would think so.
Based solely on the representations and presentations by Congressman Comer and other members of Congress, I think today we have hard evidence of crimes that include extortion, bribery, influence peddling, money bribery, influence peddling, money laundering, and we might as well say it, illegal lobbying and treason,
Members of the Biden family, including Joe Biden, have received, according to the evidence, millions of dollars in payments from China, Russia, Romania, and Ukraine.
It is extraordinary that this narrow deal was going to be slipped by a judge and Hunter Biden may have totally escaped justice for all of these other crimes.
It also would have closed the door on further exposure, at least within the courts, of Joe Biden.
Now, as I said on the show yesterday, I believe that the Democratic Party and the mainstream media that is an appendage of the Democratic Party has gotten their fill of Joe Biden.
When you compare, when you compound the impact of his policies, the fact that we have runaway costs of gasoline, a 76% increase In the cost of basic groceries.
Epic food shortages.
Go to the supermarket and see how many things you cannot find.
The ravaging afflation that is hurting the average working family.
And then of course the foreign policy disasters in Afghanistan.
The threats of China against Taiwan.
And the fact that we're shipping At this point, more than $100 billion to Ukraine without any accountability and without any ongoing peace talks.
Now you add to that Joe Biden's inability to string together a coherent sentence or to put forward any cogent or honest defense of himself.
He's been caught in several lies.
First, he said he's never discussed his son's foreign business.
Then he says he's never a participant of it, or at least he says that through his spokesperson.
And now you add to that this growing evidence of epic corruption.
I'm absolutely convinced that Joe Biden will not, this December, when the deadline comes to file for ballot access in the states that hold primaries and caucuses, to determine who will be the Democratic nominee for president.
We'll answer the bell.
Now whether or not he resigns under pressure, in which case he could at least theoretically pardon himself, his son, his brother, and perhaps other members of his circle, or whether he ultimately is removed under the 25th Amendment, which only requires a majority of the cabinet and the acquiescence of the sitting president,
Or, as is quite possible, he simply announces that he will fill out the balance of his term, but he will not run again, which I think is becoming an increasingly more likely scenario, although he may or may not have to face an impeachment inquiry and impeachment procedure.
That would avoid the problem for the Democrats of what to do about Kamala Harris, because she is, of course, Far less electable than even Joe Biden.
I therefore continue to double down on my prediction that Biden will not be a candidate for re-election, either by virtue of a resignation, by virtue of a removal under the 25th Amendment, or because he elects not to run and preserves the right right up to the last moments of his presidency to pardon himself, his son, his brother, and others.
That avoids a major problem for the Democratic Party with the problem of what to do with Kamala Harris.
Therefore, I continue to stand by my prediction made at Turning Point USA in a speech two weekends ago that ultimately the Democratic National Nominee will be Michelle Obama.
Last night, I did a great late night radio program with Joel Gilbert.
You've seen him here on the Stone Zone.
And I think that the trajectory has been set up for such an occasion.
Again, the Democrats have stripped Iowa, traditionally the site of their first nominating contest, the Iowa Caucuses, and New Hampshire, which by law has to have the first primary in the nation, Of their delegates to devalue them in the Democratic nomination process.
That will not prevent Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
from running a full and robust campaign in those states where I think he has an opportunity to win a Pyrrhic victory by running up a very large vote total, despite the fact that Joe Biden's name or the name of whoever is going to replace Joe Biden will not be on the ballot.
That means South Carolina will be the first state in the Democratic nominating process.
A state that has a majority African-American voter base within their primary.
It is also the state that Michelle Obama says her grandparents are from, and then their convention is in Chicago.
I stand by my prediction that Michelle Obama will be the Democratic nominee for president.
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We've had some technical problems, but I'm proud to say that my good friend, brilliant bio researcher, Judith Vary-Baker, is back on the line.
We're having some problems with video, so this interview is so important, we're going to go ahead with audio.
Judith, are you with us?
Yes, I'm here and I'm furious.
I've had this happen before.
This is computer number four.
It's completely blown.
This is absolutely ridiculous.
Well, the good news is we can hear you and you have issued a very important warning.
I myself take a substantial number of natural supplements to keep my natural immunity strong because I agree with you.
As you know, my wife has Waged an epic battle against stage four cancer, a battle which I'm happy to say, through the grace of God, she is winning today.
But I think your message about protecting your natural immunity in the face of, particularly, of the government spending millions of dollars to develop these bioweapons is an important and timely message for our times.
I thank you for it.
Absolutely.
Well, thank you.
And I've been waging this war for about 23 years.
Trying to get people to understand that cancer is something we could have cured.
Roger, we could have cured this in the 70s.
But the ways to do it, they don't make enough money, so they won't do it.
Well, as you know, cancer is a multi-billion dollar business.
God forbid that we might cure cancer and then Big Pharma, and I sadly must say it, certain physicians would not make enormous dollars.
In my own experience, When my wife was diagnosed with cancer, I was forced to do my own research, and I learned so much more about cancer than you could hear from the doctors who seemed to be either willfully ignorant or just locked into one narrative under which they... They're only taught how to... Roger, they're only taught to respond to and use the methods, which is cut, poison and burn, that they've been taught by Big Pharma.
And they teach them right in medical school.
They all don't do any research anymore.
They have to memorize all these methods, and they don't even know how to think out of the box.
Yeah, you're absolutely right.
All right, so just very briefly to set up the rest of this, because I want to make sure people understand you.
I have followed you for many years, read your books, seen your lectures, admire you and consider you a friend and a heroic whistleblower.
Just to set the stage, Explain to my listeners your relationship with Lee Oswald and your never-ending effort to get justice for his name.
Oh, absolutely.
Thank you for the opportunity, Roger.
All right.
Basically, when I arrived in New Orleans, I came two weeks early due to differences in schedules that were misunderstood, and my doctors weren't there.
I thought I'd be awarded On my arrival with a big dinner and be introduced to all these wonderful doctors and looking forward to an internship with Dr. Mary Sherman, who, by the way, is brutally murdered July 21st, you know, 1964, the day that the Warren Commission came to get unsolicited testimonies in New Orleans.
So here we have that going on.
But at this time I wanted very much to meet her, but she was out of town.
And I'm on my own and basically what happened is CIA sent Lee Oswald to make sure that their asset, who was me, remember I had, well you wouldn't know, but I had the access to the best formula.
It was a precursor for the RPMI 1640 formula that's used even today.
It's the best way to grow certain kinds of cancer.
I had memorized that formula and I had also created a blood test Where you could mark with radioactive iodine tag cancer cells in the body.
So if you inject them, you know if they're still alive or not.
So these were things that were brand new back in 1963.
And I was doing cutting edge research.
I knew how to handle the monkey virus safely.
So this, I'm an asset and here I'm loose.
I mean, I don't know anybody in New Orleans.
I've come early.
The doctors are out of town.
This young man shows up and now I know that he was sent actually to protect all of us in the project.
We called it the New Orleans Project.
If you're in the CIA and you're working on a project, you aren't necessarily given the name of the project or anything like that.
It's only a need-to-know basis.
We just were doing our job for our country.
We thought we were saving us from World War III.
Kill Castro and there won't be a World War III.
Really fooled us that way.
All right.
So here we go.
We've got this cancer virus and everything like that.
Castro knows this.
He knows that he's got to send spies to New Orleans to find out who's trying to kill him.
And he also wants to find out about out at Lake Pontchartrain, where they have soldiers that are being trained and they're sent to Guatemala.
And from Guatemala, they're going to get all together and they're going to invade Cuba.
So of course, Castro sent spies in.
Lee Oswald's job was to pretend to be a spy against us.
So he's pretending to be pro-Castro and infiltrating us to help Castro when he's actually on our side.
It was so easy, therefore, you see, to frame him as pro-Castro and a communist and everything like that.
And also he knew all this information.
Everybody that was in this project except me, they've all been murdered.
It's horrible.
Only by the grace of God am I alive.
Part of that is because I was Judy Verry then, and actually I was just called Jay in the project where I was working with David Ferry and others.
But to the outside world, when I was sent back to Florida and told to get out of the program for trying to stop them from using prisoners that were unwitting as volunteers, Dr. Oxford was furious with me.
Only because newspaper reporters were following me around all the time, didn't dare do me any harm, sent me back, and there I was Mrs. Robert Ellison Baker III, the wife of a geophysicist who became really famous in Exxon for his work.
And then I was a quiet mother of five, and I was told to keep my head down and be a vanilla girl if I wanted to stay alive.
So that's how I met Lee Oswald in a post office.
I thought it was accidental, but it really wasn't.
And we hit it off.
I mean, I knew how to speak Russian.
He thought I was deeply involved in the project because, as I said, I knew Tony Lopez-Frisquet and others who were absolutely anti-Castro.
I had so many anti-Castro friends.
Here I'm working with Dr. Sherman and Dr. Ochsner in this anti-Castro project.
And I was introduced to the clandestine side of things because those two weeks, there was no way that All that could be hidden from me.
I'm too intelligent and too inquisitive.
And so I learned a great deal and they thought I was already in on this secret side when I hadn't originally.
That wouldn't have been the case.
So Lee and I saw a lot of each other because he is protecting the project against any incursions by Castro spies.
I mean, they could have killed us if they knew who we were and what we were trying to do.
I mean, there's a lot of Deaths that happened associated with the president's murders.
I'm talking about JFK and then you have RFK, you have all these assassins are trying to, you know, kill him.
And the CIA really hated Kennedy.
Now, we didn't know that.
We were trying to help Kennedy, we thought, by killing Castro.
So that's the bottom line.
Lee and I hit it off.
He didn't have anyone to talk to.
I had married only, I thought it was love, but it was actually sex.
I married this fancy guy, you know, he's intelligent, high IQ, would go on to be a famous geophysicist.
And Lee was required, really, to marry someone in the Soviet Union, or they would have deported him.
And anybody who goes to a foreign country, that can happen.
And he, she got pregnant.
He brought her back to the U.S.
I have some wonderful documents showing that.
If he had not been one of ours, he would never have been able to do that because the document that he filled out, or I should say did not fill out, so he could get a loan to get her to come back with him to the United States, where it says, what did you do while you're, you know, in the Soviet Union?
It's blank.
And they still gave him the loan.
I have so much to say about In 1964, Jack Ruby, who we all saw on television brutally murder Lee Harvey Oswald, was convicted and sentenced to death for murdering Oswald.
Ruby appealed his conviction, and while his case was pending, he made some highly suggestive, although veiled threats to the fact that he was a fall guy, And those behind his situation and by implication behind the assassination of President Kennedy were in the highest reaches of power and that they would never let the truth come out.
There's a very famous video, Jack Ruby being led in handcuffs and a reporter yells to him, Jack, Jack, how could this happen?
And he says, look at the top, the man at the very top.
And they said, well, Jack, what do you mean?
And he says, let me put it this way.
If Adlai Stevenson had been vice president This never would have happened.
Ruby went on to win his appeal.
He was granted a new trial.
Within a matter of weeks, Jack Ruby suddenly contracted a virulent form of lung cancer, described as galloping cancer, and by January of 1967, barely a month or two after his diagnosis, Jack Ruby was dead.
Jack Ruby never smoked tobacco in his life that we know of, and there's no history of cancer within his family.
Can you tell us if you believe Jack Ruby was effectively murdered with a weaponized cancer?
I certainly can.
First of all, yes, I can, sir.
I can.
For example, we have There we have records showing that Jack Ruby claimed that he had been injected with cancer cells, live cancer cells.
Now I'll tell you that Jack knew all of, knew Lee Oswald.
He was part of the group, the mafia was also helping.
They also wanted to kill Castro.
They were helping to finance this and Jack Ruby, I got to meet him and everything.
He knew darn well if you have a needle that's big enough, it has to be big enough to actually eject the cancer cells, so it's bigger than an average needle, it hurts like heck, and you have to put it into a vein, not into intermuscular tissue, okay?
And because of that, he knew that when they ejected this with a big needle that hurt him, into his vein, he knew darn well And he was getting injected with exactly what we, uh, we explained it would be.
And so he told Al Maddox, his dealer, so he wrote a note to it.
Now here's the fact.
Jack Ruby, uh, if he had, uh, he had this lung cancer, was galloping, it probably would have killed him in 28 days.
It certainly did on the prisoners.
Okay.
That were in, uh, so, but on day 22, he dies instead.
Now I want to tell you what you look at, I have.
The National Archives gave to me personally, I was the first one to get these.
I put it in my book that Lee Harvey Oswald and me, the fact that Jack Ruby was x-rayed over 500 times in 22 days.
And we don't know what, how intense these x-rays were, but we know one thing.
He was dead.
If you could look at his records, you would see that he'd literally been fried.
And those x-rays were stronger than what we have today.
Even on Christmas Eve, they rolled out a portable machine.
When he was too weak to even get out of bed to go to the x-ray room, they brought a portable machine out.
And on Christmas Eve, this is happening again, he was dead by the day after New Year's.
Extraordinary.
So this is, I think, a very important, significant breakthrough.
On learning of his brother's assassination by a phone call from FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover, Attorney General Robert Kennedy's first call was to CIA Director John McCone.
He asked McCone, did one of your guys do this?
Robert Kennedy Sr.
was well aware of the existence and operation of assassination teams being developed within the CIA and aimed at murdering Fidel Castro.
But he had good reason to believe that one of these teams may have been simply turned inward to our country, resulting in the murder of his brother, JFK.
There's been a great deal of analysis done which points to the very real possibility that Lee Harvey Oswald was not just a patsy, but that he was in fact working to infiltrate the assassination plot against JFK, rather than to participate in it.
In other words, he was there to thwart it, rather than to facilitate it.
We've seen evidence out of Chicago in the weeks leading up to Dallas.
Yes.
Chicago Secret Service agents receiving a phone call tip, tipping them off to a possible assassination attempt during JFK's visit there to Chicago, made by a caller, a caller who only identifies himself as Lee.
You've been researching this for many years.
You know the connection that Lee had with the good guys, so to speak.
And now you have unearthed documentary evidence that not only was Robert Kennedy Well aware of Lee Harvey Oswald, but may in fact have been employing him as an operative who would provide intelligence on the activities of those rogue assassination teams being assembled in Dallas at the time.
What can you tell us that you know about this?
Well, my first understanding, now we realize that if Fidel Castro dies, that the CIA and the Mafia and so on, all of Kennedy's enemies, are going to be more interested in getting their power back and their glory back because they got Castro.
And that's going to take pressure off of killing Kennedy.
If they can't get Castro, they're going to kill Kennedy.
Why?
Because Lyndon Johnson will give them their Cuba.
And not only that, Lyndon Johnson will give them their Vietnam War.
That's something that Kennedy was not going to do.
Now, we knew and understood all this.
Lee Oswald being a Marine and all, had a lot of contacts in and out of the Marines and so on.
Besides which, he was the perfect bridge, you see, between the Mafia and the CIA.
The Mafia and the CIA have admitted working together in order to try to kill Castro.
And Lee was one of these bridges.
Because of that and the associations he had, he was able to, by pretending that he hated Kennedy and hated Castro and so on, he was able to get information because they thought he was on their side.
Well, the fact of the matter is, we have Tosh Plumlee and others.
I'll start in the beginning.
On some of our very last phone calls, Lee was telling me, I'm not going to get out of this alive, Judy.
He called me Judewski.
Okay.
Judewski.
And he said, uh, I'm not going to get out of this alive.
I've seen too many faces.
They're telling me too much stuff.
That means they're going to kill me.
He said, as long as I can manage, I will do my best.
We hope to get out alive.
Of course.
It's very hard for me to talk about these things, but he did say, and that was the first clue.
He said, I believe I saved Kennedy's life.
Um, three weeks ago, and that was exactly on top of the Chicago event.
And what's important about that is I, when I said that Lee tried to save Kennedy's life, and we believe he did, um, around that time in Chicago, I was the only one that was saying that.
Now, after that, uh, we have, of course, uh, we have, um, Abraham Bolden and we have James Douglas who have done more research and of course found out Secret Service.
And the CIA and so on.
We understand that they stood down and it was an informant named Lee.
And Lee told me again that he had saved Kennedy's life, he believed, three weeks ago.
So that was the beginning there.
And he was telling me that they're probably going to find me with a rifle in my hand dead.
So he did put a rifle in my hand and say, I did it.
Because he didn't see any way out.
So he said, I can't.
He said, I cannot.
He said, I made a...
I made a pledge.
I made an oath to obey my president.
He said, I can't obey a dead president.
So he joined an abort team.
And that's one of the ways that you can tell what he was doing.
The abort teams could not go and knock a gun out of somebody's hand, but they could get in the way or they could cause a diversion.
They were following these assassination teams around trying to avert and stopped or they would call in messages to make sure like what happened in Chicago.
Kennedy said he had a cold and couldn't go and in Miami he was going to cancel the motorcade because they're going to try to get him there and then he was flown in by helicopter but this time we couldn't do much about Dallas is what Lee was explaining it to me.
You see he talked to me only 37 and a half hours before the assassination.
I can't tell you how those years were but I can tell you one thing this man loved Kennedy and Robert Kennedy knew who he was.
Robert had obtained information in Mobile, Alabama.
You have to see my book to see all the contents and all the connections and everything.
But it was Bobby Kennedy who helped get Lee Oswald back out of Russia because Lee went in, in the Eisenhower administration.
And when it turned over to Kennedy, the CIA, darn them.
They would not give all the information that they had to the new president.
They're very hostile.
They didn't like him.
They didn't want him to have any information.
Kennedy, after all, after the Bay of Pigs, he wanted to go and destroy the CIA and just get rid of it because it had really messed up with the Bay of Pigs and he had to take the blame.
So there's a lot of complications.
You can see them in my book.
That's the easiest way.
But I want to tell you in the end, it was so heartbreaking because Lee knew they were going to kill him.
But he wasn't going to run.
And he said, even if I did run, he said, they'd get me and they'd kill all of you.
And he said, if I said I'm CIA, if they capture me alive, I can't even defend myself and say I'm CIA.
They will kill all my associates I had in Russia.
The Russians would do that just to prove they weren't involved, you know?
So he could only say I'm a patsy.
It was horrible.
All right.
Unfortunately, we are out of time.
Judith, tell people where they can get your book.
Your book is very, very heavily documented.
Many extraordinary documents there.
I'm very proud of the signed copy you gave me.
Tell folks where they can get your book.
Yes.
If you go to PayPal, you can go to JFK Conference at yahoo.com.
It's $42 if it's an autograph, $52 with an autograph.
And I'm telling you, it'll help me keep going.
And I appreciate that very much, Roger.
I'm telling you right now, the new book has a lot more documents in it and more witnesses.
I've got more witnesses than ever.
Roger, people who saw me as Lee and so on.
So it's all there.
Lee Harvey Oswald and me.
We have it up on the screen.
With that address, folks, JFKConference at Yahoo.com.
You're going to want to get this book.
It is The Valiant Story.
of an epic whistleblower, a witness to history, an author, a researcher, a crusader for truth, someone whose own life has been in danger because of her commitment to the truth, someone I'm very honored to call my friend Judith Barry Baker.
Thank you so much for joining us on The Stone Zone today.
And God bless you all, all of you.
Let's win this.
Let's get America back.
All right, folks, that was Judith Ferry Baker.
We apologize for our video problem, but still an epic interview.
This woman is a courageous truth teller.
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