Dave Rubin, Kurt Schlichter, and Elizabeth Pipko dissect the April 2026 federal indictment of the SPLC for secretly funding over $3 million to white supremacist groups between 2014 and 2023. They analyze how the Charlottesville rally influenced Biden's presidency, discuss Charlie Kirk's death by radicalized Tyler Robinson, and critique Hasan Piker's "social murder" rhetoric alongside Virginia gerrymandering failures. The episode concludes by condemning Senator Warren's support for Nazi-sympathizing Graham Plattner, arguing that 2026 reveals a nation deeply fractured by unchecked extremism and political betrayal. [Automatically generated summary]
And Elizabeth is a little more respectable, used to be in the administration, now does all sorts of other things.
Let's dive right in.
We're going to recap the week that was.
Of course, the big thing this week, you know, we're sort of on.
Uh, at least a little mini pause related to the Iran war because of the ceasefire at the moment.
Uh, the big thing was the federal indictment of the Southern Poverty Law Center, which everyone watching this knows they've gone after me for years and many of my friends.
My guess is they've probably gone after you guys or things that you're involved in over the years as well.
And the indictment is just absolutely insane.
Uh, let's just recap real quick.
Justice Department announces indictment against SPLC.
The indictment alleges between 2014 and 2023, the SPLC secretly funded 3 million plus in donated funds to white supremacist and extremist groups, including the National Alliance affiliate, over a million bucks, Aryan Nations affiliate, I'm a big fan of them, over $300,000.
This is the key one Unite the Right, over 270,000, and then there's a series of other ones there.
So this story is nuts.
It's not just that the SPLC was falsely calling many of us racists and white supremacists and trying to get us debanked and deplatformed and everything else.
That would be one thing.
Now it turns out they quite literally were funding the groups that they claimed to be hating or claimed to be working against.
And the key one, of course, is the Unite the Right one because that was the Charlottesville rally that then caused supposedly Joe Biden to run for president last time.
Kurt, I'll start with you first.
I sense you're not particularly surprised about any of this.
We'll have more on some of those people in just a sec.
But Kurt, if you could put your lawyer hat on for a minute, help me out with something here.
So I get the criminal charges and wire fraud and all that kind of stuff.
But I want to show you this number here.
This is from Fox talking about the SPLC revenue and how it went crazy.
After the Charlottesville incident.
So basically, they went from about $51 million to over $133 million in REV as a nonprofit after Charlottesville, meaning there was this, in essence, staged white supremacist rally with quote unquote very fine people on both sides.
Everybody goes bananas about it and they raise an insane amount of money.
Putting aside the wire fraud portion of it and the deep corruption of what they were doing, does the person who Donated to them under false pretenses, have any recourse with them?
Also, all those donors who got duped, do you know?
I mean, Elizabeth, it's kind of chilling when you watch that, thinking that the kid, Tyler Robinson, who killed Charlie, I don't know if he had a connection with the SPLC specifically, but he was ginned up into thinking that Charlie was all of these things that he wasn't, and then quite literally took his life because of it.
I mean, most people in the last 10 years that have decided Donald Trump is Hitler and to hate all of us here right now really were.
Riled up by the media.
There's a lot of people that I blame every single day.
I mean, you said it before you played the clip, Dave.
Every day I realize more and more how much Charlie not only was needed, but would have been needed right now in this moment.
I, I am shocked actually by how smart he was.
I knew when he was alive, but only now do I realize actually how brilliant he was, how he was the only person keeping us together and how probably he was the only person that could have kept the young people as engaged as they were in 24 and as excited about the future and the values that he was so, so good at actually emulating in his day to day life.
Better than anyone else, I think, in our movement.
I'm saddened that he's not here, but I hope people realize that his clips are around forever.
And he warned us not only about this group, but about a lot of others.
I want to show you this clip of CNN where they do acknowledge that this indictment has happened, but of course it has something to do with Donald Trump.
What these charges allege is that over the course of years, the SPLC paid, according to the Justice Department, as much as $3 million paying informants.
To infiltrate some of these groups, including the KKK, including far right groups, for instance, the group that did the 2017 Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia.
What the Justice Department says is that constitutes bank fraud, wire fraud, money laundering.
And look, I'm not sure how well this case holds up, but what it tells you a lot about is really the bigger story of the Justice Department.
Todd Blanch, the acting attorney general, is under pressure to.
Bring some of the cases to appease the president and his allies.
And so you're seeing a lot of activity on things like this.
No, you know, it's always a question with these people are they stupid or do they think their audience is stupid?
Okay, you know, I read the indictment.
They are not being prosecuted for having quote unquote informants, although the informant part is ridiculous.
That's not the crime.
The crime is defrauding donors by giving so much money through these alleged informants that they're effectively subsidizing the organizations that in their material they promised to, and I'm quoting, dismantle.
As for bank fraud, if you or I or Elizabeth decided we wanted to hide money.
Transfers by using a fake company name, opening a bank account in the name of a fake company, and sending money somewhere, we would be charged with the same crime and we would be looking at federal prison.
You don't get a free pass because Democrats like using you as a cat's paw to bully the competition.
The indictment, if it is proven, and an indictment is merely allegations, you've got to have substantial admissible evidence to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.
And I think it will get a fair hearing in the Alabama District Court, not Washington, D.C., okay?
Not Massachusetts, Alabama.
Let's see what happens.
If they're guilty, they should be found guilty.
If they're not guilty, they should be found not guilty.
But also, can I just tell you something crazy about Michael Steele?
Michael Steele in 2015, I had a live event at Politicon.
Maybe you guys went over the years when it was in LA.
And in 2015, right at the beginning of Trump, I'm talking like a week after he went down that escalator, I had Michael Steele in front of a couple hundred people.
And he was going on and on about why it makes sense that Trump is running.
So, what just like a Crazy reverse heroes adventure he has had for the last decade.
We've learned a lot about quite a few people since 2015.
But also, you guys didn't mention it.
I'm pretty confident that the investigation into the SPLC actually started under Joe Biden's DOJ, right?
So, all this nonsense about Donald Trump wanting to prosecute his enemies and going after people because he's a supporter of racists or whatever else they come up with is simply not true.
It actually began then.
They didn't want to look into it for obvious reasons.
But this actually did not start under Donald Trump's DOJ.
So, every part of this.
Is a blatant lie.
Of course, the ending of calling us all racist is pretty obvious.
But the reality is that they're actually covering up for their own DOJ what we all know was incredibly biased for many years.
We saw what they did to Donald Trump, but this is what they were also doing behind the scenes at the same time.
Can you explain to me, no offense, can you explain to me how it is that someone evolves backwards?
Most people sort of evolve like you have all of your crazy progressive ideas as a kid, and over the years you realize, okay, the world sort of is a certain way.
You, in essence, become more conservative.
Doesn't mean you're a card carrying conservative or Republican, but that's generally how it works.
I'm always amazed by the people who reverse engineer that, like Michael Steele.
Breaking tonight, a circuit court in Virginia ruled a short time ago, within the past two hours, that the redistricting referendum passed by voters yesterday is unconstitutional.
The judge is now blocking certification of the election and denying a motion to stay pending appeal.
Today, President Trump, without proof, said the race was rigged, adding, Let's see if the courts will fix this travesty of justice.
Multiple states have already redrawn maps this year.
Republicans say they've likely increased the majority by three to five seats in Texas.
Democrats say the same in California, both parties making smaller gains in Utah, North Carolina, and Ohio, with Democrats now holding to a two to four seat gain overall.
Next up, Florida, where a proposal meant to gain Republican seats may be unveiled as soon as next week.
Top Democrats are vowing to spend millions to fight back.
Put Timu Obama, Hakeem Jeffries, in the mansion just to see what happens.
Elizabeth, what would you say to people, putting aside the specifics of what just happened in Virginia for a second, that would just say, hey, both sides do it.
Both sides do it, and we did lose this one, and we should not have lost this one.
If you look at that margin, that's a scary close margin that no one expected, and proof that we actually could have avoided this mess.
Um, look, there's a lot of arguments to be made for why Texas did what they did, or why California did what they did, or shouldn't have.
Uh, it's going to continue.
We know that.
I think this kind of started, like you pointed out, with Michael Steele in 2015.
People genuinely lost their minds when Donald Trump first ran for office.
We've become versions of ourselves, at least I'd say the majority of folks on TV or in the media or in the parties that they probably wouldn't have recognized before 2015.
Some for the worse, some for the better.
This is going to continue on through the midterms.
I think Florida will actually be very successful in what they're doing.
But I, I worry about the average American genuinely who is not following because they have actual responsibilities to worry about, who's not following this mess, who turn on the TV and are wondering what it is that's going on, what the hell gerrymandering is, why these states now look the way that they look, and what's going to happen for the next election cycle and the one after that and the one after that.
Because a lot of people The last 24 hours have asked me what any of this means, and I've had to explain it.
The average American does not follow the race.
They don't follow why Pritzker is using the Texas opportunity to announce a soft run for president.
They don't follow why, you know, Khakeem Dreffes is claiming F around and find out.
They don't know what the hell is going on anymore, and we have to explain it because no one can catch up to the hatred that is in our politics today and the mess that's going on, and we're all going to unfortunately suffer because of it.
But the race continues through November, and I think we're going to end up on top in this case.
Look, first of all, redistricting is an essentially political act.
So I'm not morally offended when people use politics.
And politics ain't beanbag.
If you can't throw a punch, don't get in the ring.
I also like to know what the rules are.
And the rules became very clear after New York's redistricting and all of New England that you grab what you can and you don't pretend to have this goo goo good government.
Oh, well, you know, we want to have a fair map.
I don't want to have a fair map.
I don't expect anyone to have a fair map.
That's not the rule.
So just tell me the rules.
I know the rules now.
And I am very excited about the guy who gets to decide the next play being Ron DeSantis because this guy's a stone.
Serial killer politically.
He's eight.
He is.
Look, if he decides he's going to redistrict and gets one or two seats, his career's done.
He's over.
But that's not who this guy is.
He's going to go for five, maybe six.
Who knows?
And, you know, I think it's going to be great.
And I think the Supreme Court in Florida is going to find a way to cooperate with it.
Just like I don't think the Supreme Court in Virginia is going to throw out what's, to me as a lawyer, very obviously an improper constitutional amendment.
Right, so we'll see as that works its way up to Virginia.
But in contrast to DeSantis, who obviously is the all star of Republicans in terms of getting things done, let's say outside of Trump, Clay Travis, I thought, made an interesting point here.
He wrote, while Indiana Republicans worried about redistricting norms in a state Trump won by 20 points and refused to do anything, Virginia Democrats took a 6 5 Democrat House lead in a state Kamala won by 5 points and turned it into a 10 1 Democrat state.
Stop being pussies, Republicans.
Elizabeth, I mean, you were in the administration.
Like, do you think that this is the thing that gets everyone more upset about Trump than everything else?
He taught everybody how to fight.
So then there's this series of people that it does, it's not just in Indiana, obviously, but it's what Clay is talking about.
These people who just don't take the hint after all these years about how you actually play politics, kind of to the way that Kurt was just mentioning.
Like I said, I don't think people will ever view our politicians in the same way on both sides, right?
Every day I tune into the view.
I don't know why I like to punish myself.
I need to know what works for me.
I have to do it every day.
And every day they're complaining the Democrats are not crazy hardcore enough.
I mean, they're not going to stop till they're literally slaughtering Republicans in the streets.
But that's what they want.
That's what they think works against Donald Trump.
And I think Republicans have to do the same.
You can't win anymore by being nice.
What happened in Indiana does not make any sense, considering, like Clay Travis said, the majority of the state voted for Donald Trump.
It does not make sense.
Playing nice does not make sense anymore.
Our leaders forgot how to do that a long time ago.
And because they don't intend To do that any longer, it doesn't make sense for one side to attempt to play, you know, pre 2016 politics while the next one was preparing for 2028.
It just doesn't add up and it's not going to work.
And again, you're going to upset the American people, and that's the only ones we should care about in all of this.
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Well, you're totally right that the Democrats never think they've gone far enough.
And to illustrate that, we got a couple clips.
We played some of these yesterday, but I think it's worth recapping.
And Brian Thompson, as the United Healthcare CEO, was engaging in a tremendous amount of social murder, the systematized forms of violence, the structural violence of poverty, the for profit, paywalled system of healthcare in this country.
Yet, Because of the pervasive pain that the private healthcare system had created for the average American, I saw so many people immediately understand why this death had taken place.
I think it's a, as Norm McDonald might have said, That's a bunch of commie gobbledygook.
What he's talking about is basically you know, it's easier if we just kill our enemies, who are all you kulaks, all you normal people, and if we murder them until they submit.
And history is littered with the bodies of the victims of guys with $2,500 pairs of glasses like him sitting there from the Russian Revolution, Chinese Revolution, Cuba.
Cambodia, Vietnam.
It is a.
We know how this game ends.
Except he's got the wrong country this time.
This isn't a country of disarmed peasants.
Okay?
Within 10 feet of me is more firepower than the entire population of the British Isles possesses.
And I'm one dude in Texas.
Okay?
My street.
Is a freaking fortress.
This, it is an exceeding, and I'm speaking as a colonel here, it is a tactical and strategic miscalculation to start a fight involving violence, right?
Not like a political fight, but like a killing people fight with a bunch of people who have all the guns, all the training, and all the incentive in the world not to back down.
And if you had told anyone 10 years ago that the entirety of the Democrat Party would be fine proudly campaigning with someone who said America deserved 9 11, they would laugh in your face.
Nobody would believe that.
This is something Barack Obama would have had to go out and give a press conference about.
He would have to say this was the most disgusting thing he'd ever heard and that no one should ever speak to this man.
And instead, he's being, I mean, platformed by the New York Times of all places.
And Campaigned with all these future superstars.
It's embarrassing.
It's pathetic.
It's sad for the country that I adore so much.
But like Kurt said, this is not what America is and it is not going to work for them.
And I can't believe that they're not calculating that right now, considering I actually think, despite how much I hate a lot of Democrats, deep down they disagree with him and yet they think this is a good idea.
I can't believe it, but I think in this case they are very wrong.
Yeah, well, they're all in like this strange mafia hostage situation where they feel like if they're the one that says something, they're going to be executed next, which is Quite literally, what would happen.
But it's not just that he's wink winking, kill somebody because you don't like their political beliefs.
The promise of prosperity and prestige that they thought was being made to them when they went through school has been denied to them, and they are mad and they are angry, and they're blaming the billionaires and the normal people and the Christians and the Jews.
I'm tired of it.
This guy has, you know.
This guy is a shyster, an Elmer Gantry, the guy in the music man, except his gig isn't selling trombones, it's selling politics to dummies.
I take a lot of comfort that so much of it's really cosplay, because I've served in the ruins of a civil war where people in a village that lived next to another village went out and murdered each other.
And I don't want that here, and I'm not going to have it here.
And I think most of the rest of America, when they actually hear him, aren't going to have it either.
They genuinely believe they can't believe. that someone this handsome and this young and this brilliant is sitting with them on a couch and telling the entire world everything they're too scared themselves to say.
They love this.
Um, uh, you mentioned the gender thing.
I think in general, our younger generation is completely lost in the people that they look up to and spend their days listening to.
I, I can't believe it on either side of the aisle.
I'm sorry.
I think everyone needs to turn their phones off because it's getting really, really embarrassing.
I don't care if it's six minutes.
Truly, I don't, we're okay, but I don't care if it's Nick. Fuentes or Hassan Pike or anyone else, truly just turn your phone off, listen to your parents, go outside, read a book.
It's getting really bad.
But look, for young women, I think anything works for them as long as you're not telling them to be healthy and want to be beautiful and want to find a husband and kids.
This is fine for them as long as it's the opposite of that narrative.
That's what they were taught to be against.
And if it's stealing, if it's murder, it doesn't matter.
That's an intellectual debate that they want to have because it's better than telling a woman to be a proud wife and mom.
I don't know if you saw, but, uh, My friend Bridget Fettes, who I'm sure you guys know, she made a point yesterday that the difference between Fuentes and Piker is that no Republicans are out there campaigning with Fuentes.
Now, they may be nodding to him and everything else, but the Republicans, for as wacky as it's been in the last year and all the infighting and everything else, there seems to be at least a desire for some sort of normalcy or set of rules, and we're fighting it out while they're all conceding it to the crazy people.
And to that point, great segue, Dave, well done.
They're also bringing in the Nazis.
Here's Elizabeth Warren running cover for Graham Platner with.
Well, I spent 27 years in an organization that proudly defeated the Nazis.
Sadly, this, you know, you look at somebody like Graham Plattner, and his argument, he has multiple arguments, but it's either I was too stupid to know this was a Nazi symbol, or I did know it was a Nazi symbol.
And then Dances with Distraction comes along, and Elizabeth Warren, trying to figure out, well, how do I handle this?
And the way to handle it is to simply ignore it because nothing really matters to her other than power.
That's it.
I know that's going to work with the hard left.
He's going to beat Janet Mills, and it's going to be him against Susan Collins.
My money's on Susan Collins, by the way.
Who I've got kind of a secret political crush on because she just does what she wants and doesn't care and represents her state, and it's like, cool, you're a Republican.
I got no problems with you.
Tom Tillis, yes.
You, no.
But when he collides with normal people, not the leftists in the Democrat primary, I'm wondering what they're going to say when he starts, well, you know, I had a Nazi tattoo, but let me explain, okay?
And his entire, I mean, his platform is the most far left wackadoodle stuff possible.
So it's like, for the average, whoever is left that's a sane Democrat, it might be a bit much to be like, oh, it's a completely communist platform and the Nazi tattoo.
I could deal with one or the other.
Elizabeth, you have the hardest job of the day, which is ending us on a positive note after all of this craziness, because that's how we roll on Fridays.