Dr. Phil McGraw recounts being ghosted by a Kamala Harris organizer, while Jason Calacanis reveals Elon Musk nearly went broke before accepting $100k in prototype checks. Guests debate Florida's zero-tolerance policies, the costs of green energy, and the rise of "emocracy" suppressing common sense. From Tony Robbins' morning priming to John Kennedy's unvarnished political memoirs, the episode exposes systemic failures in media, governance, and social discourse, suggesting that removing entrenched power structures is essential for restoring rational debate and individual liberty. [Automatically generated summary]
You weren't reacting to what the kid did something else.
You reacted, then it happened again.
It's the stacking.
Well, most of us, we take experiences, challenging, difficult experiences, we think one after another, after another, and then we're in overwhelm.
You can also do the opposite.
You can consciously, which I do every morning, this is how I do it.
I do something that I call priming.
I prime my brain.
It's not a meditation because I found sitting and not thinking is not something I'm really good at.
And I don't know many people that frankly are, right?
But instead, what I do is I do these three three-minute pieces, a little more than three minutes.
And what I do is I focus on for the first three minutes, everything I'm grateful for.
Because gratitude is the antidote to the two emotions that mess most people up, mess up your relationship, mess up your business, and that's fear and anger.
You can't be angry and grateful simultaneously.
You can't be fearful and grateful simultaneously.
So I don't do it in some phony, I'm grateful, I'm grateful.
I think of three specific things in my life that I feel really grateful for.
I usually find a little one like today was the wind in my hair.
I was outside.
Another one was a smile on my daughter's face when she was doing her ballet yesterday and she was so proud of herself.
I could think of two or three things.
For a minute, I experience them in my body like I'm there, not like watching someone go down a roller coaster there thinking like you're in the front seat.
And that changes your biochemistry.
And now I do that every morning and start for three minutes, then three minutes of kind of a blessing or a prayer for the people I love.
And then three minutes, I focus on what I call three to thrive.
What are three things I want to achieve?
And instead of like hoping they're going to achieve, I see them, feel them, celebrate them as done.
Whole thing's done in 10 minutes because if I say do something for 20 minutes, you tell me you don't have time.
But if you don't have 10 minutes for your life, you don't have a life.
And so some of the things that were being said about him, I knew were not true.
And I was saying, come on, y'all, you got to do better than that.
And I look at all of those things and all of those things contributed to my ultimate move to Florida because I said, it's time to think about me more and stop being guilted into looking at things through their lens.
Well, the interesting thing about one of the interesting things about that story is the insistence that you have a moral obligation to be optimistic about the future.
And the future, well, the future is akin to the present.
It will be occupied by many of the same people.
It's rife with formidable and even apocalyptic challenges.
And that's always the case.
And the question then is: what's the appropriate moral attitude in the face, even truly, of a potential apocalypse?
And the answer to that always is faith, courage, and the optimism that springs from faith and courage and that isn't naïve.
You're required to do that morally.
That's in some ways, that's even the defining characteristic of faith.
And so, what does that mean?
It means what Caleb and Joshua do report to Moses when they're sent to Canaan to scout out the future.
They say, well, it's a place of formidable challenge, but if we maintain our upward aim and our covenant with the divine, then there's no desert we can't make bloom.
And I think that's right.
I also think that's the right rejoinder to the Malthusians, even from a biological perspective.
Their notion is it's a zero-sum game and will multiply till we consume all possible resources.
And the rejoinder to that is human beings transform the idea of resource itself, and the future is a place of unlimited possibility if you maintain your upward aim.
I think that's true.
And so, if it's true, you're called upon to be a forthright and optimistic scout of the future.
And then you're the people who lead the lost to the promised land.
What do you think the healthiest thing is to happen to some of these people?
Like as we uncover the fraud, you know, I'm not a huge fan of just starting to arrest people and people get caught up in things, and that's not a defense of anyone.
And clearly, there's been criminal abuse and fraud and all those things.
But I think once we start arresting people, it puts us in sort of this cycle where we'll just all do it to each other.
I think the somewhat obnoxious suggestion I had was that we need something like a truth and reconciliation commission, which was set up in post-apartheid South Africa, where, you know, as long as we got to the truth and we figured out what had happened, there can be reconciliation.
But the first step is we need to come clean.
We need to have some accountability for what happened.
And so I want, yeah, I want us, I don't want to, I don't want us to have lots of arrests.
I don't want lots of people to just get prosecuted.
But I do think we need to have a lot more transparency into what exactly was going on in the sausage-making factory.
And my suspicion is that that sort of transparency will very much discourage a repeat of this behavior.
I think the FISA process was completely out of control.
The Russia conspiracy theories 2016, 2017.
It was completely insane, contrived, in some ways, extremely malicious.
And, you know, we should come clean and we should publicize every single FISA investigation that was made.
And we should discuss who were the people who drove these investigations.
And then again, I'm not sure they should go to jail or get fired, but it should be at least part of their record in their career at these departments.
Look, I think there's a part where I'm sort of hopeful is I think we're already at a point where the FISA process is way less out of control than it was eight, nine years ago, because people are at FBI and NSA, they are more hesitant to do this because they kind of worry there might be accountability at this point.
But I also suspect it was really out of control in the recent past.
Identity politics calls us always to relitigate the ancient past, the sins of our forefathers.
And what I think the Trump administration should be investigating is not the distant past, but the recent past.
It's more important to look into COVID-19 and Fauci and all these people than into 1619.
And then what my suspicion is that there was a lot of abuse.
There was a lot of crazy stuff that happened because, and this again is from an obnoxious comparison.
I think there was something about the Biden thing that was crazier than apartheid South Africa.
So let's talk about the racist part, because obviously that's still unfortunately the word of the day.
It's a little hard, I think, from an American perspective for people to realize that a government could truly govern in a, I guess it's not that hard in some sense, but that could govern in an actual racist manner when it comes to who's getting what services and what land, et cetera, et cetera.
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So you did have a guy by the name of OJ Simpson who is in these things.
As long as you understand that you're not doing this for you and you're doing it for an audience who may be out there waiting to hear you or bought a ticket or waited six months until you appeared in their place.
And I see, I've been to, I told you, I've been to probably a dozen of your shows, and I see grandparents now who saw you back then now with their grandkids, and they equally love it.
And it's crazy because I've seen you do this where the women are still coming to you and you're still touching all the hands and they love you and you're blowing the kisses and the whole thing.
Anybody who could stay with you and be a fan for as long as some of these people have been deserves to get as close to you as they could possibly get when they can.
I want to jump back to something you said earlier because you mentioned that we want to respect the Constitution.
Obviously, we are a law and order state.
What I've noticed is they're being very careful about sort of the outright violence and then how they push all of our laws.
So, in Florida, what is our policy?
If they're going to take over, just it's not about throwing rocks, let's say, which obviously they'd be arrested, you know, over an overpass or something like that.
But if they're going to take over a street without a permit or something like that, are these people immediately going to be arrested?
Like, what is actually our policy the second they step over that line as blurry as they want it to be?
Well, the Hamas demonstrations, when that was in vogue, they tried to do that in the city of Miami and the Miami PD got them off the street in 13 minutes.
They tried to do it in central Florida on a state road, and our state highway patrol were able to dispatch them in 11 minutes.
And so, yes, there is zero tolerance.
You have no right to commandeer streets.
And first of all, it's just wrong.
Second of all, that has huge impacts on people's quality of life.
You may have a parent needing to go pick up a child from daycare, from a camp, or from school.
You may have somebody who has a medical issue they need to get.
And what, you're going to clog all the roads?
So, we have an absolutely zero tolerance policy for that.
And we also have a policy that if you're driving on one of those streets and a mob comes and surrounds your vehicle and threatens you, you have a right to flee for your safety.
And so, if you drive off and you hit one of these people, that's their fault for impinging on you.
You don't have to sit there and just be a sitting duck and let the mob grab you out of your car and drag you through the streets.
So, putting the politics aside for a second, on the roller coaster ride of running the businesses, obviously the businesses are even before the lawsuits and everything.
You know, your dad became so polarizing.
How did you manage, okay, we've still got to sell hotel rooms.
We've got all these other products.
You know, now we've got a certain set of the country that's just not going to touch these things that loved it, that loved all these products, you know, four years ago.
How did you manage just sort of to traverse that landscape?
Yeah, and listen, you had 50% of the country that walked to the end of earth for, you know, for my father.
And so listen, there's no question it came with challenging time.
Were we canceled, did a lot of group business, you know, go elsewhere because they, you know, frankly, it's obviously we became political, sure.
But the exact opposite is happening now.
I think we have the greatest brand in the world.
I'm so fortunate to run the company.
We're the best company that we've ever had by a factor of a lot, but they wanted to see us dead.
I mean, every Fortune 500 CEO of a big bank was calling us up.
Congratulations.
We're canceling your accounts.
Capital One, Chase, Bank of America.
They were doing everything that they could to pull the rails out from under us.
Every attorney general was attacking us and suing us.
We were getting subpoenaed every single day.
Tens and tens of millions of dollars or documents in discovery production on every front.
The raids on Mar-a-Lago, the attacks on our employees, the attacks on me personally and everybody in the family.
They were trying to divide the family.
They were trying to split up the family.
That was the nature of the siege.
And that's before they turned to physical violence, i.e. Butler, i.e. the golf course incident, i.e. Charlie Kirk, right?
I mean, they wanted to do anything they could to silence our voice and put us under siege.
And it's a beautiful story, and it's a story that we won.
And it's a story I'm incredibly proud of.
I'm not sure how many people would have had the backbone and tenacity to fight through what my father fought through and fight through what we fought through.
And Bragg is the DA and he doesn't prosecute anything.
So it's a free fire zone on crime.
The other thing is economics.
So where I live is just outside the New York City boundary.
Real estate in my town has gone up 20% to zero since Mandani announced.
And that's all New York City selling their places, getting the hell out before he comes in.
Because what he's going to do is put draconian taxation on everything, not just your income, but everything's going to double because he's going to boom, boom, boom.
New York City tax on this.
New York City tax on that.
And corporations are going, can't do it.
So they're going to go to Tennessee, Florida, Texas, the Carolinas.
And the people who have homes in the five boroughs are moving to Connecticut, Long Island, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, wherever it may be.
So, that flow out, I estimate, to be at a half million people in four years on Demandami.
But when you have the four people, two on either side about a big issue, I make no apologies for it getting passionate and fiery.
I just hope that rather than it descending as it sometimes does into total chaos, that actually I can calm people enough where I can try and bring them to a point where we can at least agree on various points.
And then I think it serves a very valuable purpose.
Do you think there's a fundamental reason, though, that the people that tend to be left-leaning in these debates are the ones screaming, yelling, saying all the awful things?
Like, it's very, can you think of one instance where someone that you brought out on the right in one of these debates was doing any of that?
Because if I could just tell you for one second, truly one of the best moments of my career was I interviewed Richard Lewis when we still lived in LA and he came to my house and I loved, obviously, you can see how much I love the show and I've loved him since I saw him on Young Comics on HBO in like 1982 or something.
And at the end of the interview, we had such a great time together.
And, you know, obviously he was a germaphobe, sort of.
One of the big takeaways, or don't think about health expenses as an expense, but think about them as an investment.
If we use these dollars correctly, we will return Americans to their optimal health.
It's a hand up we're giving people, not a hand out.
If they're healthy, they'll work better, longer, and all that translates to remarkable growth of our economy.
I'll give you a number.
Take the average 61-year-old today, which is the, by the way, average retirement age.
So the average person born in 1964 is retiring this year.
Remember, Medicare doesn't start till 65.
So they're retiring early.
If you get that age group, just that one year to work three more years to age 64, just that one age, everyone who's 64, born in 64 is going to work another three years.
That's worth $1 trillion to the U.S. economy.
Think about that.
Basically, we can close our debt by just getting people to work a little longer.
And if they're healthy, they might want to do that.
That's the opportunity that health care offers us.
I'll give you one concrete example, the work requirement that there was so much fighting over.
Now, when Medicaid was created, it never dawned on anybody's mind, never crossed their mind that they would be offering free health insurance to people who are able-bodied but not working.
Years later, as part of the Affordable Care Act under President Obama, there was a decision made to allow able-bodied members of the American population to join Medicaid.
It was supposed to be transient.
You get on it, you get off it.
Now it's become basically a trap where you have situation, you know, you have generational unemployment.
It's easy because you get health insurance for not doing anything.
No one asks you to do anything.
No one even asks you if you made money.
You just sit there and collect the health insurance.
Now, the guy next to you, the department next to you is flipping burgers all day long, making $20,000 a year, exhausted, right?
But you get the same life that he does.
The poverty level is $16,000.
There's no real difference, by the way, at that level.
So, why bother working?
So, what we said was, you need to engage your community.
You have agency over your future.
You may not know that, but that's your God-given power is to make a difference in the world.
You were not put on the planet to watch 6.1 hours of television or leisure time, which is the data, by the way, for able-bodied people on Medicaid who aren't working.
So, what we said was, and this shouldn't be controversial, is we want you to go get an education, go volunteer somewhere, go get a job, or at least help take care of kids.
I mean, do something.
And guess what?
Most Americans, when given that option, will take the deal.
They'll go out and try to change the world.
That's why I believe that the benefit of the work requirement will get more people into the workforce and get people to start to change their life for the better.
And, but I think when it fails, and as a Catholic and you have Catholic guilt and Catholic guilt, Jewish guilt, black guilt, white guilt, oh, only half black guilt.
And I mean, from a spiritual aspect, like, I thought God was going to be really mad at me.
I had to, I talked to my priest and was very helpful in saying, okay, have you prayed about this?
What has been your process to get to this point?
And then afterwards.
And then, by the way, when you have three kids and at the time they were all in high school, you know, like trying to make life as good as possible for them and then to co-parent, which we did well, especially at the beginning, we did really well when they were younger.
I look back on that time and the fear because then you have to go to work and support everybody.
So I remember, you know, you get a difficult text message or talk, a conversation with an attorney sometimes in commercial breaks and then you're back on that light comes on.
And whatever's going on in your personal life has to go in the back.
Everybody does that every single day when you go into work.
I think, you know, COVID happened at the same time.
It was literally three months after my divorce, COVID hit.
Like it was insane.
And living in the Northeast, not in the free state of Florida, completely shut down and winter at the time, awful.
I actually believe that from that moment on, like the beginning of those personal difficulties through COVID, through suspension and cancellation and a lawsuit for the last 16 months of my time at ESPN that was public against the company for which I was still working, I did my best work.
I just learned to become a master compartmentalizer.
But like to continue, I'm like, well, we're all dried up, babe.
There is nothing left in here at this age, menopause, fully in it.
Like, no, it wouldn't have worked, just like you with David, right?
It takes every step of that sometimes painful journey to get to that day and that moment where I happened to be in Nashville, Tennessee at a charity for veterans, because I'm a daughter of a vet and he is a vet and the son of a vet, happened to be there that one day on a Tuesday that if I hadn't stood up to ESPN and Disney, I would have been in Connecticut doing sports center, not at this event where I met the love of my life.
30 plus years ago, our fathers were stationed together in Fort Leavenworth, Kansas.
So in the early 90s, they graduated from West Point a year apart.
My dad 1970, his dad, 1971.
Fast forward to the early 90s.
And our moms actually used to volunteer at a convent for retired nuns in Kansas.
And I'm three years older.
So I was in college when he was in high school.
And fast forward to 2024 and we're at this event and he recognized me from ESPN and came up to say hi and said, by the way, you know, we kind of know each other.
And I'm like, oh, Lord, don't give me this cheesy ass line.
I've kind of heard them all at this point the last couple of years.
And when he said that and gave my mom's name, basically, I was like, excuse me?
The problem is it's the opposite of all, you know, a rising tide lifts all boats.
This is a sinking tide sinks all boats.
So it will literally, you know, I always joke about Fidel Castro that, you know, he said, give us all your property, give us all your businesses, and we'll make everybody equal.
And I don't want to bend the knee and I don't want to kiss the ring.
I want Americans to walk erect and I don't want cults of personality.
I don't want to genuflect every time Elon's name gets mentioned, nor do I want to be asked, are you on the Trump train?
Yes or no?
Because quite honestly, I was on this train a long time before Trump ever boarded.
And this idea that a bunch of, you know, in particular, like the tech right, they just jumped on this thing four seconds ago and now they're acting like, you know, they've been here the whole time.
It's incredibly disrespectful.
Way too much emphasis is being placed on the on the market.
There's a even free market economists know that there's certain things that the market can't do, like public goods or principal agent probably, what have you.
So there's this sort of simplicity and this bravado and triumphalism that I find repellent.
But when it comes to the reforms, do I want these people to succeed?
I see, I don't see the symmetry on that in that to me, the left has been largely in the Democrat Party largely has been overtaken by, let's say, the Hamas thing.
On the right, I don't see Trump really placating those people.
I don't think he's.
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It's a question of placating.
It's a question of you actually have to call this stuff out.
Take the Southport stabbings, which occurred last summer in a town in the north of England.
Son of Rwandan immigrants goes on a knifing spree at a Taylor Swift-themed dance party for young girls, stabs three under 10 girls to death repeatedly, many others.
And the authorities, government, much of the media, they say it's a man from Wales.
And in some ways, they were right, but this wasn't just some maniac Welshman.
We have the right to know, I think, if girls are being stabbed to death at dance classes.
We have the right to know how that person is here, how his family are here, and exactly what they brought to Britain.
So I think I want to share with you two important things.
One is that we need to recognize that people will tell you that solar and wind is incredibly cheap.
And that's technically true.
This is why it's such an insidious argument.
So everybody has seen this graph of, you know, over time, how solar and wind has just come down in price, and they're very cheap right now.
So people will tell you, solar and wind is some of the cheapest electricity on the planet.
But what they don't tell you is, yeah, when the sun is shining and the wind is blowing, but otherwise it's the most expensive power on the planet because it's infinitely costly.
And so the reality is, if you actually look at, you know, if you look across the world for how much energy do you get, sorry, how much electricity do you get from solar and wind and how much is the price, you get a very clear upward sloping situation.
You have cheap countries that have virtually no solar and wind, and then you just get more and more expensive.
So you have China and India down here.
You have the U.S. a little higher up.
They have the EU all the way up there.
And the reality is there's no countries down here that are saying we have lots of solar and wind and cheap power.
You call it like the Model T. He's like, yeah, we can't call it the Model T. He's like going to call it the Model S because T is still, Ford still has the trademark.
He actually looked into that.
I was like, yeah, that's a pretty good name.
Model S is good, like S T, whatever, sedan.
And I said, what's it going to cost?
And he said, I think I can do it for $50,000.
I said, if you can do that for $50,000, you'll change the fucking world.
You have this company has to survive.
And like he wound up over Christmas in St. Bart's closing some funding from some friends of ours and he kept the company alive.
He's probably don't have a number on him and he said I want you to have it because you were the first person to to order it and it's like very important for me for you to have it.
With recharge and the mainstream media, which was back at the time also controlled by the liberals, they started a political uh campaign against us and they were portraying Hungary like like like, fascist dictatorship type of uh country and no one else and the voters, the politicians on the other side actually no one knew that who we are and what we're doing, so no one was speaking against it,
and that was the liberal propaganda against Hungary everywhere.
But then, with Donald Trump, the situation changed, because I think American and people and many Western European people realize when when, when the liberal media started to spread lies on Trump, they realized that oh, they are lying on this issue.
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So you start seeing it in one place and next thing yeah, you're seeing it and and, and.
Then they realize that if they're lying about Trump, it's possible that they are lying about Victor Orban in Hungary as well, and they are lying about many things and and, and people started to to to be curious about what's going on, and this is why we are very happy to have so many Americans who are here and they, they have field experience what's going on and and they can they can broadcast with different um contexts which is closer to the truth than the liberal one.
The media compilation they showed beforehand, I mean the things they were saying about Hungary and about your prime minister it's exactly the same stuff.
It's exactly the same playbook over, over and over.
Let's deal with the borders and immigration first, because that seems to be a top of mind.
And here we're in Hungary, a place that closed their borders and yeah, you know, they're paying the price from a European Union perspective I talked with Palacho or about on stage.
They pay a million euros a day to the European Union just because they keep their, their borders closed.
It's quite absurd frankly, from an American um, what do you Do?
I mean, not only do you have illegals in the country, but you also have a lot of legal people that seemingly don't want to adopt the British values anytime.
But what has happened is an orthodoxy has taken over British institutions in the same way as it's taken over European institutions.
And that orthodoxy believes in mass migration, multiculturalism, toleration of Islamism.
And we've seen appalling cover-ups of grooming gangs in Britain.
You know, girls as young as 12 being systematically raped.
And no, no national inquiry.
It's been covered up.
So there is a group of people who have essentially taken over our institutions with a particular worldview and they don't want to be challenged, which is why we're seeing free speech being suppressed, because they don't want people to know just how badly wrong it's going.
And I think all of these problems are connected.
So mass migration is putting pressure on housing costs, which means that Brits aren't able to start a family.
They're not able to buy a home because it's too expensive.
That's creating a population crisis, which then creates a demand for more migration.
You've also got a left-wing ideology in terms of things like net zero, which is making British energy very expensive.
So our energy costs in Britain are four times what they are in the United States.
So all of these things are compounded, and people feel that things are getting worse and they can't even say what is wrong.
So they can't even complain about the grooming gangs or speak out about what happened in Southport because they're literally fearful of getting arrested.
And when you look at, when you actually did a whole video on this, there's a package insert for the vaccine and it will tell you what pre-licensing studies were done.
And the amount of days that they monitored the child for adverse events was five days.
And when you're taking this kind of a risk with a disease that your kid is probably never going to get, and if there is a risk, we can test for that risk before vaccinating them.
What ended up happening was Merck created the vaccine.
This is, this is, I don't have concrete proof of this.
This is what I've heard.
This is my opinion on it on the matter, but Merck was asked to create it.
And it was initially, this is fact, recommended for intravenous drug users and sex workers.
But that group of people, that demography, is not really interested in preventing disease.
I don't want this to sound arrogant, but I'm going to say it anyway.
I actually think that a lot of people from a progressive side don't want to come on and have to justify their positions in terms of arguments, facts, reason, the basis of so much of our knowledge, which is historical understanding.
They don't want to go there.
As Ian Herciali puts it, we're in danger of turning our democracy into an emocracy.
Democracy can only work when you're clearly committed to reasoned, evidence-based debate.
You will not produce good policy out of a truncated, a bastardized, a silenced debate.
The trouble is that little Johnny thinks that feeling is thinking.
And so very rarely do people say no if they're interested in having a debate about something where they've done deep research and where it really stacks up.
But there's a lot of people now who have high public profiles that are not doing that research and can't justify their arguments.
I'm sorry, but no, I don't think it sounds arrogant.
I think that's kind of just where we are at as a species, partly because of the internet and partly because of success of the West has left us kind of fat and dumb.
Well, I guess that would be the next question.
Do you think that some of this, what you just described, is just a function of the success of the West?
I think a lot of it has to do with cultural Marxism.
A lot of it has to do with perhaps the decline of faith generally, faith in institutions as well as religious faith.
I used to be very confident in the long-term survival and success of Western civilization because I thought that our civilization, unlike almost all of its predecessors and current competitors, had a capacity to learn and adapt from others.
I think that self-critical capacity, which has been so important to our survival and success up till now, has to some extent mutated into a kind of self-loathing.
And this is very destructive.
It's very destructive.
Yes, look at yourself in the mirror and say this can be better and that can be better, but don't look at yourself in the mirror and despise what you see.
In the recent two or three years, we've seen a massive influx of people.
We think there are almost as many as 2 million new immigrants, which on a population of 27 is a significant chunk, which has been a policy of this Labor government, including recently allowing the widows or brides from ISIS to return to Australia, which is a very, very dangerous and controversial thing to be doing, of course.
One of the bullet points is that it's a field manual for understanding Washington.
What do you think?
If there was one thing that the average person that kind of pays attention to politics, but not the way you might or that I might, but that just kind of is paying attention, what is the one thing that they don't understand about how it all works or doesn't work that they should understand?
Well, we'll end with this then because my team gave me, you know, I told you, we're always playing all of your fun quips on TV all the time, but my guys gave me a whole bunch of your quotes.
And I want to see if we can work through this one because it's related to what I had for lunch today.
You said, Democrats are the well-intended arugula and tofu crowd.
And those skills, that willingness to endure rejection as opposed to deferring to a frictionless relationship is sequestering people, especially young men, and not giving them the life skills they need.
Perseverance, how to open, how to talk to people, how to sell.
And most importantly, the key skill in success, I believe, is the ability to endure rejection, to mourn and to move on, to develop those calluses.
45% of men ages 18 to 25 have never approached a woman in person to ask her out.
I think that's really unhealthy.
And a lot of these men, young men, have gotten mixed messages.