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Kamala Gets Visibly Angry as Her Disaster Interview Ends Her 2028 Election Chances
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dave rubin
All right, guys, I'm Dave Rubin.
This is the Rubin Report.
It's October 31st, 2025.
That's right, it's Halloween, and I am alternate Dave Rubin in a shirt like you've never seen me in before.
And joining me are the hosts of the Clay and Buck Show, Clay Buxton and Buck Travis.
That's the Halloween twist here, guys.
I've combined you into two alternate people who will be half of each other.
How do you feel about that?
Clay seems happier about that than Buck.
Buck does not seem happy about that.
Clay, you can roll with this sort of thing.
clay travis
Well, I just think it sounds creepy, but it does tie in since you're gay and Buck's a fan of Polish sausages.
There's no telling where this show might go.
dave rubin
For the record, I'm only gay after 8 p.m.
We're shooting this earlier than that.
unidentified
Buck, do you have any comments before we dive in?
buck sexton
I have been called tug sex butt by Keith Olberman.
So nothing you say to me.
I'm rubbering your glue, my friend.
dave rubin
Has anyone, anyone else on the internet not been attacked by Keith Olbermann?
I feel like that's just like a standard thing.
Like if you're going to be anyone on the internet.
clay travis
I'm not a sad old lesbian.
unidentified
It's so disappointing to see what he's become.
dave rubin
He really is.
He really is.
All right.
Well, basically, we're just going to have some fun for about 45 minutes, get caught up on a couple of the crazy things that happened this week.
We're not diving into anything too serious.
So why don't we just get right into it?
So Kamala Harris, a woman who had a soft coup of the sitting president, who, yes, we know she's black and female.
She likes concentric circles, Ukraine, small, Russia, big, et cetera, et cetera.
She's got this book out that, yes, she clearly wrote, okay.
And she's doing a press tour about the book.
And a lot of the questions have come around Biden's cognitive ability and when she knew and why she didn't call it out earlier.
And I thought this clip was just great.
This is a journalist by the name of Sarah Ferguson from the Australian Broadcasting Corporation really pushing Kamala on Biden's decline.
unidentified
Wasn't Joe Biden then to put it on him, wasn't his refusal to recognize his own frailties the reason that you faced a nearly impossible task?
kamala harris
I ran against Donald Trump for president.
unidentified
That is a world-class pivot, but it is not the question that I asked you, which is about Joe Biden's failure to recognize his own frailties and what that did to you.
The question is about Joe Biden.
Are you still reluctant to criticize the former president?
kamala harris
In what regard, please?
unidentified
just in in terms of that question so you went exactly would you like to ask Be more specific, if you don't mind.
Was it Joe Biden's decision, his failure to recognize his own frailties in that position that put you in the position that made it almost impossible to win that race?
He was not frail as president of the United States, but he had frailties.
We all saw the debate.
kamala harris
I do believe that Joe Biden had the capacity to be president of the United States.
dave rubin
I mean, talk about a slow-moving train wreck.
Buck, what do you think her angle is here?
I mean, I get it.
They were all part of the cover-up, and then they can't exactly admit it.
You know, it's sort of like Jake Tapper's book and Cringe-Pierre's book, and there'll be many other books from these people.
But it seems so disconnected from reality, and now her attitude about it seems like it's making it just that much worse.
buck sexton
Well, Dave, you didn't know this before you had the two of us on, but you have stepped right into the middle of a live-fire training exercise here, or perhaps even the battlefield between Clay Travis and myself, because we have a bet, a very expensive steak bet, because you know how expensive it is down here in Miami.
When it comes to whether Kamala will even be able to run, we agree that she will not be the nominee.
That's just, there's just no way.
I don't even think she's going to run.
I think she's going to become the provost of, as I've said, a third tier UC school.
And then Clay likes to throw some random UC school under the bus.
Depends on the day.
But so we're already preparing for, I think, the recognition among the Kamala faithful that she's a disaster.
dave rubin
Wait, so to be clear, the bet is you're saying she will not run at all and Clay is saying she will run.
buck sexton
I'm saying she won't even run.
And Clay is saying, and I think it's unfair because she's probably going to end up running for six weeks or something.
And he'll say, I win.
But Clay is saying, oh, no, she's going to run because she has nothing else in her life.
She has an empty soul and no children.
And, you know, that's where Clay goes with this.
So here's just on that clip.
She's trying to, oh, I read her book, by the way.
Again, because my esteemed co-host there, I told them that I'd become our show's comologist.
And so I read her book.
I was on a flight to Taiwan.
clay travis
I did also read the Jake Tapper book.
So occasionally I'll take bullets, but Buck took the Kamala shot.
buck sexton
So we traded off.
He read the Tapper book, which was just preposterous.
And I read the Kamala book, which was just like two grade levels lower than the Jake Tapper book from the excerpts that I saw.
And here's the problem.
She can't have it all the various ways she wants to.
She either got screwed over by Biden staying in because she hit his dementia or not, or rather they hit his dementia.
And if that's the case, she more than anyone else is responsible for hiding his dementia.
So either she has to admit I'm a crap candidate and it's not Joe Biden's fault, or it wasn't my fault, but I helped hide his dementia, in which case it is my fault.
dave rubin
Wow.
Well, first off, let me just say, although Clay and I usually line up on most of these things, when I see him make predictions, I'm pretty much right there with him.
I'm with you on this one, Buck.
I don't think she's going to run.
I think it doesn't make any sense.
I don't think there's any momentum there.
And we're going to get into Gavin and some of the other things.
So that'll be my position.
If you want, I can throw in.
I'll cook you both a steak on that one.
How about that?
buck sexton
Well, we want some of your fancy ass to Kipling, if that's what we're saying, right?
dave rubin
There we go.
That's easy.
That's easy.
Clay, just this to do these interviews.
I mean, we're watching this.
We watched this with Tapper a couple months ago just get crushed in all of his interviews around his book.
We watched this two weeks ago with Corinne Jean-Pierre just get crushed on all this.
And now watching her get crushed on all this, do they not realize what they are walking into?
clay travis
I think it's her attempt to put it behind her.
That's my theory on what she's trying to do with this book.
It's to say, hey, that was Biden 1.0.
Now I can be Kamala in full.
I'm not signing on to this at all, but I think she's going to say, hey, I was the good soldier.
I think this will be her argument when she runs.
She will say, I was defending the record of Joe Biden because that's what a vice president does.
I was too loyal.
I was probably too loyal here.
And I think what she's trying to do is argue two things that are very difficult.
One, that he was okay for the first term.
And now if you watch the way that she's pivoting, it's that, well, maybe he didn't have the ability to serve out the second term.
And she's trying to say, I should have been more aggressive.
But I think she's going to say, doggone it.
I was just too loyal because the job of a vice president is to stand behind the president.
I think in order to win, she had to burn the bridges in that 2024 campaign.
I think she had to say, look, we're in a tough spot because Joe Biden held on too long and I will do a lot of things different.
I thought that's where she got in trouble in the view answer when she said, well, there's not a thing that comes to mind.
I think she had to argue that she was different than Biden.
So far, she hasn't.
I think 2028 Kamala, when they get all the advisors together and they come up with the McKinsey relaunch plan, will be that Kamala can now say what she truly believes because she's not trying to advocate for Joe Biden anymore.
So I think this is about putting that behind her.
And Born is a new Kamala, the truth-telling Kamala.
dave rubin
I look forward to seeing who wins the stake here.
But either way, it's just no matter who it is, it's such a freaking clown car for them.
It's ridiculous, which is a perfect segue to Gavin Newsom, who will certainly be in that clown car.
And he's making the rounds this week.
And listen to him running cover for Biden.
I just don't get it.
gavin newsom
And we'll continue to build on the legacy, I would argue, of our former president, who I think was one of the most successful presidents in the last century.
And that is Joe Biden.
And I will defend that to my grave in terms of the Chips and Science Act, the infrastructure bill, the work he did on the IRA, the fact that he had a worker-centered industrial policy, and the fact that those are the right policies for this country that are all getting undone, right?
unidentified
I mean, everybody.
gavin newsom
A lot of them, but not, well, many aspects are being celebrated by the Trump administration.
dave rubin
Buck, everybody knows my feelings about Gavin Newsom, who on this Halloween probably gets to actually just go out as himself and scare children.
Why?
Where's the win in doing that for him?
unidentified
Oh.
buck sexton
I think this is peak Newsom in the shamelessness of the maneuver here, because what he's doing, Dave, is essentially pandering to the entire Democrat electorate in one fell swoop.
And here's why he can get away with it.
He wasn't in the Biden White House.
He wasn't part of the dementia cover-up or any of that other stuff.
He was just busy running the great state of California, which has a really big economy and all this other stuff that he always talks about as if he's somehow responsible for it.
So this gives a very clear, emotionally sensitive pathway for all those disappointed Biden voters to, you voted for the great policies, and I, Gavin Newsom, with my shirt unbuttoned down to my navel,
I will give you those policies, but without the dementia that I had no part of whatsoever in the cover-up of, unlike basically all the other clowns who think they're going to run because they were up on Capitol Hill, even senators, even members of Congress that they think they're going to run, they were much closer to Biden than Gavin Newsom.
So that I think is the clear maneuver here.
And it's just the most perfect Gavin Newsom thing.
I mean, the guy is, we like to call him oleaginous because it's both word of the day and very accurate.
dave rubin
Clay, take a look at this next clip from the same interview with Jonathan Carl as he I'm shocked that he did this.
He actually did the thing we all do on the internet, which is point out that Gavin Newsom is Patrick Bateman from American Psycho.
unidentified
What do you make of all the Patrick Bateman talk?
I don't know, but I mean, I mean, people, people say that you are like American Psycho.
Yeah.
gavin newsom
Jesus, yeah.
Like I said, new scum.
unidentified
I mean, look, but even your friends like say this.
Oh, do they?
gavin newsom
Yeah, I'm going to reevaluate my guest list.
unidentified
I mean, there was a comedian that said a literal comic book villain from Central Cast and Patrick Bateman vibes.
He definitely had someone killed or may have killed someone himself.
I think he meant that in a I'm glad I still have some humor left.
gavin newsom
This is a rough business.
unidentified
Yeah, it is.
gavin newsom
This is a rough business, particularly if you're willing to fight.
dave rubin
I'm not kidding.
I think that quote might be for me.
I've definitely said plenty of things like that.
But the fact that he did that to his face, and again, he can't even be, it's just everything with him.
He's so fucking evil.
It's a Friday that can do it, Mons.
clay travis
But I think it's kind of likable.
I mean, you know, when you consider, when you consider the depths of Democrat despair of the available guys out there, if you told me, let's just think about it this way.
If I told you you have to go have a beer and watch a game with somebody who's going to run for president as a Democrat.
J.B. Pritzker, Kamala Harris, AOC, Corey fucking Booker.
I mean, you start running through this list.
This is a miserable cavalcade of Eric Swalwell.
I mean, I can't think of anyone that I would less rather hang out with than life.
And then I get Gavin Newsome and Buck makes fun of this sometimes.
But I don't think, you know, you have a glass of wine and you kick back at Napa with Gavin compared to the other options.
I think he would actually be somewhat entertaining.
Now, is he an awful, irredeemable liar?
dave rubin
Of course.
clay travis
Is he have no soul?
unidentified
Yes.
clay travis
But might he say something that would make me laugh?
Yes.
I can't really imagine any of the other Democrats in any way being enjoyable to have a drink with.
Does that make sense?
And I'm not saying that I would enjoy it.
I'm just saying if I had to draft somebody, I think he would beat Earth.
I mean, Katie Porter.
Look at the other Adam Schiff, the other California Democrats.
Like, he's not that bad compared to them.
buck sexton
I'm glad that Clay called himself out here, Dave, and threw himself under the bus on this one because there's a not small contingent of our audience that worries that Clay perhaps steals off to Napa Valley.
Here's some Chardonnay with his buddy Gavin Newsome.
You know, two suave guys with great hair and pretty wives who just happen to disagree on politics, but love to pick out the notes of Black Cherry and cardamom in their vintages.
So the audience is definitely a bigger Newsom fan than you might anticipate.
But I do think that, look, I think he's the inevitable.
This is when we actually agree on.
I think he's the inevitable Democrat nominee, and I think AOC becomes his vice.
And I think that's just the Democrat ticket.
I know it's actually not that far out as we know.
It's going to really be determined in about 18 months.
So it's not a crazy far-out prediction.
I just see that that's the way it's going to go, largely because of what Clay said.
Yeah, sure.
You know, the Democrat Party, you know, you could start to throw some names around, but when you start looking at name recognition, you start looking at just completely an irrepressible urge to lie for power and gain, Gavin Newsom's the best they've got.
I mean, Kamala's not even a good liar.
dave rubin
I will give him that.
He is a better liar, even though the internet endlessly debunks all of his nonsense.
But my God, man, what a depressing, what a depressing future that is if it's him and AOC.
But Buck, I know you're a, I read this somewhere on the internet.
You're a body language expert.
And I want you to take a look at this clip and note his hand motions.
Can you help me work through this?
gavin newsom
I don't think he takes himself seriously, but he iterates.
He throws things out and he plays with it and he sees how people react.
And it manifests, meaning once a mind is stretched, it never goes back to its original form.
And that's my concern.
The more we're talking about this, and we need to be.
Look at what he's doing with mass agents.
Look what he's doing federalizing the guard.
Look what he's doing intimidate and voter suppression.
Looks what he's going to do with the DOJ.
Look what he's trying to do to rig the elections, North Carolina, Missouri, down there next to Florida, not just in Texas.
Look what he's doing in terms of the 230 million that apparently is from his DOJ.
All the pardoning, all the this great griff, the biggest, most corrupt administration in history.
dave rubin
Buck, I didn't even hear anything he said there.
I'm just transfixed by the hand motions.
He's sort of Tom Cruise in minority report moving the screens around.
What is wrong with this person?
buck sexton
Well, I was honestly distracted by the hint of man cleavage that he had going there.
He's just so gosh darn handsome like Patrick, like Patrick Bateman.
He's kind of a melugin, as we say on the Clay and Buck show, because Bill Melugin's just so damn handy.
dave rubin
Everyone loves Malugin.
unidentified
He's dreaming.
buck sexton
He loves Malugin.
Yeah, he's a dreaming guy.
So I think what you're seeing with Newsom with the hand gestures, obviously, it's very studied.
It's very poll-tested and political consultant approved.
And that's what you're going to get with a guy who this is what he's all about.
I will say this.
There are some people who, whether it's, you know, Hillary Clinton, you know, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, whatever you think of their shamelessness, their beliefs, everything else, they are obsessed with the idea of being the person in the job.
They are obsessed with it.
And you actually need to be at some level in this game now.
I think it has to be really an unhealthy level of like, I'm the only person who can do this.
And Gavin Newsom definitely thinks that.
dave rubin
What's interesting, though, what's interesting, though, is if you watch Trump in the 80s, he's like, I want anyone else to do it, but if no one else will do it, I will do it.
That's a fundamental difference.
But Clay, the one line that I got there was, once a mind is stretched, it never goes back.
Can you help me work through that one?
clay travis
I don't, I was trying to figure out what exactly that means.
And I would think that you would want a stretched mind as opposed to an unstretched mind.
I mean, I'm not an expert on the stretched mind, but the smaller mind as opposed to a larger mind in general, I think most people would prefer the larger mind.
Look, this guy, we played on our show.
He's now saying that Charlie Kirk, his son, was not a fan.
The only reason he had Charlie Kirk on as his first guest, he said, was because his son was a fan.
dave rubin
A super fan.
He said.
A super fan.
clay travis
Yeah, super fan.
There is a level of lying that Gavin Newsom is comfortable doing that I think is going to serve him well in the Democrat Party.
Because once you get into a general election, you can't in any way be in favor of many of the things that require you to be in favor of to become the nominee.
And I think we just have to prepare ourselves.
He's just going to lie and say he never said that.
There's going to be ample evidence of him ever saying it.
And my prediction is, guys, he's just going to say, you can't trust Republicans because they're using AI to make us believe things that are no longer true, right?
Like he'll, and by the way, that's a good excuse for everybody going forward for any time they don't.
But I do think that's the world that we have to prepare ourselves for.
And the battle probably against J.D. Vance, I don't think that Newsom is a low intellect guy.
I don't think Kamal is that smart.
There's lots of people that have been.
I don't think Biden was particularly that smart.
I think that Newsom will be a more sophisticated adversary and a more talented adversary than anyone else the Democrats can put forward, which is why I think ultimately he will be their selection.
unidentified
Right.
dave rubin
I mean, I will go with you on that.
Like his ability to have no shame.
If you, you guys, I'm sure watched that debate he had with DeSantis two years ago, and DeSantis just beat him relentlessly over and over and over.
And he just, he doesn't take a hit.
He just keeps going and going and going.
unidentified
Yeah.
dave rubin
I guess that's.
buck sexton
Sometimes sociopathy is your friend.
And for Gavin Newsome, that's definitely the case.
And that's why the Patrick Bateman thing, I think, other than the physical resemblance, sticks with so many people because he seems like he's that way.
I just say one thing, Dave.
He also, you're going to hear people that talk about Westmore out of Maryland, and you're going to hear people talk about Bashir out of Kentucky.
You know, Clay knows that whole situation really well.
That's actually not what the Democrats, the Democrats need somebody who can pull the Obama of, I'm going to say things to win the election that everyone on the left knows I don't actually believe.
And they're okay with me saying it at election time because they know when I'm in power, I'm just going to forget all about that.
And that is quintessential, Gavin Newsom.
dave rubin
Right.
He's the perfect vessel for that.
And then God bringing AOC behind him.
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Let's keep going with some of the craziness out of the Democrats, actually, because the Autopen, which apparently was actually the president, is making some new news.
Listen to this from CNN.
GOP-led oversight committee says Biden pardons signed by AutoPen are void in final report.
The committee deems void President Biden's executive actions that were signed using the AutoPen, and the committee determines that action by the Department of Justice is warranted to address the legal consequences of that determination.
It wrote to Pam Bondi in the letter released Tuesday morning.
It alleged the committee had found a cover-up of the president's cognitive decline and no record demonstrating Biden himself made all the executive decisions that were attributed to him.
So, Clay, this is one of those things that, yeah, we all kind of know is true.
Anyone that was paying attention during the presidency, we all knew this was happening.
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Okay, a House Oversight Committee said it.
I don't think anything comes of this.
Does anything actually come of this?
Does anyone end up in jail?
Does anyone get a slap on the wrist?
Does anyone reverse any of the Biden executive actions, et cetera, et cetera?
clay travis
Yeah, somebody would have to challenge it, first of all, and say that these pardons and other executive actions were not authorized.
And then a judge would have to look at it.
It would go a long way.
What I think is kind of prima fascia evidence of the fact that all of this is true, he hand-signed the Hunter Biden.
dave rubin
Right, right.
That's the one.
The one.
clay travis
So the ones that he actually really desperately personally cared about, he took the time to sign.
You've done a lot of books.
Buck's got a book coming out.
I'm signing this weekend a ton of different books.
That whole argument that it's super hard to sign the pardons, I don't even buy, right?
I mean, you can sit and watch a game and just mindlessly click through with all of these signatures without needing an auto pen.
Look, I get the idea of an auto pen when it's a constituent letter and you're sending out a million of them or something and you want to make it look like you were involved.
But the argument that he didn't have the time to actually sign legitimate pardons, I've always found on its face to be a dishonest argument.
And now, will anything come of it?
I'm skeptical that there will be a sophisticated and significant enough legal challenge to actually strip it in this scenario.
dave rubin
Buck, is that the problem with everything basically?
That no matter how egregious the problem is, like, for example, finding out that the president of the United States didn't even know what his auto pen was signing, that nobody ever pays the price.
Or the few times that anyone pays a price, it's usually the wrong person for the wrong reasons.
buck sexton
Well, yeah, I mean, yes, I agree that there's not going to be anyone going to prison over this or anything like that.
I think that it is important for the sake of transparency and also politically.
People should know that when those like the three of us, those of us who for years were saying Biden's not really calling the shots, it's the people around him.
That wasn't just some rhetorical game we were playing.
It was an observation of what was clearly going on in that White House.
So we were telling the truth about something that seemed farcical or fantastical at the time, but was, like I said, an observation.
It was what was really happening.
One of the challenges that you see with a lot of the, whether it's Russia collusion stuff, this stuff, you know, all the deep state machinations is that when people have power and a lot of discretion in the government, saying, oh, sorry, I'm just a moron is often legally, you know, saying, oh, I actually believed that this is what's going on, right?
So, you know, if you roll into someone's house in like a swatting incident, for example, if law enforcement rolls in, guns blazing, and you say, hold on a second, how could you have believed this guy who called in from like a number in Islamabad and suddenly now some like conservative podcaster is like a well, if they're so stupid to believe that, they're probably not going to be criminally charged, right?
But this is what I mean within the government.
There's a lot of ways that you can do really bad things, abuse your authority, pull subpoenas that there's not a statutory remedy for, there's only or, you know, a prosecutorial remedy for.
There's only political, which is why, again, I think it's important they talk about this, but no one's going to prison over this.
dave rubin
Well, there is also a media that will run cover for you the entire time, and it would not be a Halloween episode of the Rubin Report if we didn't show you a clip of the view.
whoopi goldberg
It's kind of crazy.
You know, I kind of agree with him.
Instead of investigating a man who's no longer in office, I would like y'all to find out why the U.S. military is striking vessels without verifying who's in them.
I want the government shut down to figure out what's going on because it's getting ready to be the longest one in history.
Snap benefits are about to run out.
Soybean farmers in financial crisis.
And of course, there is the unreleased Epstein files.
unidentified
Yes.
All right.
dave rubin
So Clay, of course, she's running cover for the Auto Pen situation.
But I think what's more interesting about that clip is that she's reading everything she said right there.
we do hours on air.
You guys, what do you guys do?
buck sexton
That's soybean farming.
unidentified
Soybean farming.
Whoopies crying for soybean?
buck sexton
She doesn't even know where the soybean farmers live.
dave rubin
Which, by the way, Trump just signed a major deal with China related to soybean.
But putting that aside, the fact that she's reading all of that really in such an obvious manner, you know, she usually fakes it a little bit better or maybe the prompter is a little bit better, but that she's looking, she's pretending to be outraged, but she has to look down and read to figure out what she's outraged about.
Isn't that a perfect summation for what television has become?
clay travis
It's also why they won't have actual guests to debate actual issues on that program because they don't actually do the work.
And to me, that was, you mentioned that debate between Gavin Newsome and Ron DeSantis.
What really stood out to me was the degree to which Gavin Newsom is protected by media such that he's not prepared when anybody pushes back against him.
And I do think that's part of why legacy media and also the Democrat Party, which is upheld by legacy media, has been losing so much in the marketplace of ideas because their arguments are flabby and don't require very much pushback to defeat.
They're like a boxer that doesn't actually ever get in the ring and spar.
And then suddenly when you take a punch, you don't know how to handle it.
And so the result is you're trying to protect your side from having its opinion challenged.
There's a lot of people out there who could agree or disagree with everything that we argue.
I think we could probably on this program all argue the other side better because we've done the research and we've spent the time on the issues.
There's almost no one on the left who could argue our side because they're not even familiar with that argument.
dave rubin
Yeah, that's a great point.
And we'll have more on that concept in just a second about how they really are a bunch of boxers who never spar and never get a competitor that's worthy.
But, Buck, I mean, also, there's a general take from that show and the way they do everything that they just don't know what they're saying.
They don't know.
It's not that the politicians don't know.
Their politicians don't know.
That's one thing.
But also, they don't know.
That's like a lot.
buck sexton
Yeah, well, Dave, to be fair, low IQ people need their pundits too, right?
I mean, you look at the show, and if you're going to be, or low information, I guess we could say low information voters want to be a little more charitable, but those things, I think, in this case are pretty synonymous.
The view is meant to be an emotional safe space for people who have feelings about politics, but don't actually spend the time to know anything about any of the issues.
And to the point about not being able to make the case, the people on the view can't make the case, right?
And I think that the only authenticity that they can offer that audience is the shared ignorance that they all have.
So while they're paid millions of dollars to know something, at least they make the people who aren't doing that at home feel good because, wow, Whoopie and Joy and the other chicks at that table, I don't know who they are.
Oh, wait, who's the really mean one?
dave rubin
Oh, Sonny Haas.
clay travis
Thank you.
By the way, how about the fact that we all know when he says the mean one?
We're all like, oh, yeah, she's so bitter.
buck sexton
She's the most, I mean, she is just the classic, like most bitter.
clay travis
And by the way, Alyssa Farragin is the pretty one.
dave rubin
She's the bad Republican.
They give her a cookie on a Friday.
buck sexton
She's not so bad.
clay travis
The other thing I think that's here too, Buck, and you know, is they have huge staffs.
So it's a willful ignorance.
You know, it's not just that they won't do the work.
It's that they won't let the staff do the work for them to actually inform them.
dave rubin
I think that's a great point because that's what I mean by when Whoopee's looking down.
Imagine the three of us.
We're on air hours a day.
Imagine having to fake your emotion because you have to read what you're angry about.
That's the, it's just beyond the pale.
But let's jump over to something else in legacy media because there is basically one guy in legacy media who's fighting the good fight.
You already know what I'm talking about.
It's Scott Jennings over at CNN.
And here he is getting into it with another panelist about this Biden cognitive issue.
unidentified
He was, I think we all acknowledge, and the reporting is very clear, in severe cognitive decline.
And so the committee had a committee, the committee, you don't agree it wasn't cognitive decline.
I do not because there's no medical evidence to say that.
Now, that's a political talking point for some of you on the right.
But there's no evidence to point to that.
Dr. Scott, do you know?
Dr. Scott, do you have evidence?
Do you know why the president's physician took the Fifth Amendment before the committee?
No, the same reason why Republicans have taken the Fifth Amendment under oath.
clay travis
Listen, for the first time.
unidentified
If you're here to argue the sharpness of Joe Biden, I need you on your efforts.
I'm not here to argue that.
I'm just saying there's no medical evidence to point there was some cognitive deal.
dave rubin
Do you have eyes and ears?
unidentified
I think you do.
buck sexton
I do.
unidentified
The same eyes and ears that saw the president prevented a government shutdown during his time.
We talked about the bipartisan legislative agenda that he put together.
So I do have eyes and ears, and you do too.
dave rubin
Buck, the apparent evidence that cognitive decline was not part of Biden's melting brain is that he prevented a government shutdown.
Help me work through that one.
buck sexton
I got to say, I love that the Democrats shoved Biden out the window, essentially, in the White House, like just threw him onto the South lawn and said, you're not president anymore, or you're not the nominee anymore.
And we're still having this debate.
It's a little bit like when Democrats do that thing, because Clay and I will talk sometimes about the sports stuff, including 200-pound man with more robust beard than any three of us, quite honestly.
We're all kind of like the little beard category.
And we'll be throwing around a bunch of girls, you know, on the field hockey, field hockey field, and they'll be saying, what are you, a biologist?
dave rubin
Right.
unidentified
It's like, well, no, but I know what a 200-pound dude looks like.
buck sexton
I don't think I have to be a biologist, but they'll actually use that as a talking point.
The same thing here.
Like, there's no medical.
Yeah, there's no medical evidence of the fact the Democrat Party defenestrated a sitting president from his campaign two or three, whatever, three months before the election because his brain was scrambled eggs.
I think that's all the evidence a normal person would need.
Scott Jennings, very patient there.
dave rubin
Clay, I know you like a good conspiracy theory.
How about this one?
Maybe the people of CNN are actually on our side, and that's why they put these ding bats on with Scott.
clay travis
I mean, I was rolling my eyes watching that.
I legitimately wonder who the audience is that is consuming this content.
There's tons of actual medical evidence, by the way.
I mean, I thought Scott Jennings could have pushed back.
Like, we don't have to be doctors to think that something could be wrong on an evidentiary basis.
If your grandpa suddenly can't remember your name, that's evidence that he might have a dementia-related issue.
You're not a doctor, but you can see that.
Anybody who watched the June 27th debate, and oh, by the way, we talked about this on the program the other day because I thought it was a good question for Corrine Jean-Pierre as part of her disastrous book tour.
Has she ever apologized to Robert Hurr?
Robert Hurst sat across from Joe Biden for hours quizzing him on the classified documents that he got.
The only reason he said there was not going to be a prosecution was because based on his observation, a jury would find Biden to be old, befuddled, and incapable of committing a crime because his brain didn't work well enough.
That's all evidence.
One of my favorite analogies, quickly, is circumstantial evidence.
People say, oh, circumstantial evidence is awful.
It's actually oftentimes some of the most important.
You go to bed at night and when you went to bed, there was no snow on the ground and you wake up and there's snow on the ground.
The fact that it snowed overnight is circumstantial, right?
Because you didn't see it yourself, but it's pretty strong evidence that the snow came down, right?
And so there was tons of circumstantial medical evidence that Biden was incapable.
To Buck's point, Democrats kicked him out of the nomination because of that.
buck sexton
People watched too much law and order.
When the defense says, that's circumstantial, whatever.
Yeah, a lot of people are in prison for life because of circumstantial evidence, everybody.
unidentified
Right.
clay travis
So it should actually be really the most perfect evidence, especially when you add it all up together and look at it in totality.
dave rubin
What's the reverse of circumstantial evidence?
What's hardcore evidence?
clay travis
Eyewitness.
buck sexton
Eyewitness.
unidentified
All right.
dave rubin
Eyewitness.
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So it's interesting because Clay, you mentioned a few minutes ago that there just, there sort of is no equivalent on the left of what's happening on the right in the online space.
And, you know, the left has owned everything in the mainstream media for so long, they've become soft on all this stuff.
And I'm always really, and I'm sure you guys are too, and maybe you know some, I'm always trying to find kind of the equivalent of us on the left to have a debate with or go on the show with, you know, but we always end up with just the kind of the worst of the worst.
So there's this girl, and I know I'm giving her exactly what she wants right now by talking about her on the show.
Her name is Jennifer Welch, and she is a lefty podcaster.
Apparently, she was a reality TV person on a show called Sweet Home Interior Design, something like that.
But she's now a lefty podcaster.
And because it's so hard to find some of these people that are willing to engage, I want to just show you a little bit of what is going on on these shows.
Because here she is going after all of our friend Riley Gaines, who has done nothing other than stand up for women and women's sports.
jennifer welch
One thing I want to say about Riley Gaines as she sits there and has the moral high ground against AOC.
When I look at people, if I were to say who's more Christ-like, I would pick AOC and the atheist Jew Bernie Sanders and the Muslim Zoran Momdani a million times over you, Riley Gaines, because Riley Gaines, all you do is hate on people.
You are wound up like a cheap clock over trans people.
You show them no grace, no compassion.
You defend billionaires.
You cheer and celebrate when children are zip tied.
And then you have the audacity to get on television and try to lecture people who fight for the people that are suffering, that stand and put their arms around people that need sanctuary.
And you try to act like you're better than they are.
You're an insufferable twat.
Nobody likes you.
Nobody likes you, except for the other fake Christians that enjoy in their spare time watching children get zip tied and then sit there and justify it while they read the Bible with their hideous crucifixes around their necks.
So you, Riley Gaines.
dave rubin
Clay, like that's what's going on in the lefty podcast space.
Like we cannot find better versions of that.
I mean, and just all of the stuff she said about Riley is just so profoundly, profoundly absurd.
clay travis
Yeah, we talked about this on the show, Buck and I did, and we brought Riley on earlier this week before this one, because AOC out of nowhere kind of came in like Simone Biles did and just attacked her.
And I told Riley this.
I mean, I would love to get attacked like this because what it represents is how effective she's been.
And the reason she's been effective is one of their top arguments is, I don't know why you care, right?
I don't know why you care.
Well, Riley cares because she had to swim against a dude tucking his cock and balls into a women's swimsuit and pretending that he was, in fact, a chick.
And they gave him a women's NCAA championship at the swimming meet that she was in a couple of years ago.
And look, I think that they are losing culturally.
And so they go directly to nasty attacks.
And I think these things get ended really rapidly.
But everybody would say a 16-year-old playing 12-year-old Little League baseball shouldn't be able to do it.
Because to Buck's point earlier, we can just see with our own eyes that somebody who is 12 is different than somebody who's 16.
And somebody who's gone through puberty and dominating little kids shouldn't be able to compete.
Well, a man shouldn't be able to compete in women's sports.
And I don't think they have a good answer for it.
And so now they're just going directly to derogatory personal attacks because Riley's story is so powerful.
And I think it's a sign of the culture shifting in our wins.
dave rubin
Buck, let me read Riley's response to that clip right there.
She said, they say these things about me merely because I said men are not women.
That's it.
If you share that belief, they think the same thing about you.
Such harsh words praying for these women.
What do you think about just the sort of the general notion here of the lefty podcast space?
Like, am I not giving the devil his due here?
Is there a, do you know of a rich tapestry of people that will engage with ideas and maybe offer us a bit more?
We're going to show one more clip of Jennifer Welch, but is there, am I missing something here?
buck sexton
No, and this is the result of the ecosystem in the media that we all, we all came up in, right, Dave?
I mean, you, there, there used to, there was a time when there were like a handful of online written publications.
There was Fox News, maybe a few jobs in talk radio or local radio.
I mean, in the pre-podcast era, and you had all these left-wing outlets to the point where, I mean, you could get fired from HuffPo and get hired by the New Yorker and go from CNN to MSNBC to PBS to ABC.
Like they had all of this control of the media ecosystem, and they were able to largely insulate themselves from the skill set that we were just talking about, which is understanding the issues and having to be or being able to make the argument for your side.
So they kind of just got intellectually, you know, fat and lazy on all this stuff.
And they have not been, they have not been sharpening their minds or their skill set.
And so that's why when the internet opened up a bit and we got shows like yours and YouTube and Elon bought X, I mean, already Twitter was useful, but once X happened, you'll notice.
Clay and I always joke about this.
I never get piled on anymore.
Like I never have some random CNN anchor who all of a sudden is getting like a million people agreeing with him saying how dumb I am.
And that is a result entirely of the playing field not being tilted in their favor.
So I think that we're going to see more and more of this.
I would love it if there were left-wing outlets that were worth going on.
Like if Maddo wanted to have me on to actually have a discussion in prime time on MSNBC, but here's the other problem, Dave.
The left, and you know this and Clay knows this, the left has trained their audience that they should not even be subjected to the real argument from the other side, which is why the only people you see as conservatives on MSNBC or the, you know, the pretty one from The View are people who are fake Republicans who have turned on the Republican Party.
dave rubin
Right.
They're always anti-Trump conservatives.
So that they're basically just neutered pets.
That's why I always say at the end of every week, they give Alyssa Farah a cookie and they say thank you.
And that was nice and cash your check and go.
I want to play one other clip of her because to your point, it's like they, what happens then is they don't refine their ideas and then you end up with this type of hysteria.
unidentified
Charlie Kirk, man?
Yeah, him is horrible.
Horrible.
dave rubin
Charlie Kirk is horrible?
unidentified
Yes.
I'm glad he's not here.
jennifer welch
You're glad he's dead?
unidentified
Yes.
jennifer welch
Why would you say something like that, man?
unidentified
Because he was horrible on the campuses, the college campuses.
jennifer welch
Horrible person.
unidentified
You know what?
I do the exact same thing.
Would you be glad if I would die?
Maybe.
jennifer welch
So listen up, Democratic establishment.
You can either jump on board with this or we're coming after you in the same way that we come after MAGA.
And that woman out in somewhere middle America saying, Charlie Kirk, he was a racist.
He was a piece of.
There are so many more of us.
dave rubin
Clay, I mean, to me, that's like the perfect encapsulation of everything we're fighting all the time.
A radicalized, you know, woman that appears to be a grandma probably, who literally is now wishing death.
She's happy that Charlie died and then apparently happy if this other woman died.
And then a podcaster who basically is like, yes, we need more of that energy.
And that's to the backdrop of a friend of all of ours who is now dead.
clay travis
Look, they believe that we are evil and they believe that we are Nazis and that we are Hitler incarnate because they're morons, but because I think Buck hit on this and I think you would sign off on it too, they aren't exposed to the counter argument.
They don't understand what we would argue in favor of or against.
And this is where I'll give credit to the internet, which is always a little bit dangerous.
I like you were talking, Buck was talking about how all of the left protected itself.
They had so many media organizations that would employ people.
All of us had to initially make a living in some way on the internet.
And I love that I always think about this analogy of it.
Remember in the Batman movies when Bane says, you know, I was born in the darkness and he's like explaining why Batman can't, you merely live in it now or whatever.
That's a great monologue, right?
dave rubin
I think the internet.
That's my bane impression.
People love it.
unidentified
People generally adopted the darkness.
clay travis
So I think the reason, this is my big theory.
This is in the new book.
My big theory on a large scale of why the right is winning now is because the internet was a meritocracy and you had to fight in the muck and in the mud and you had to build attention for yourself instead of somebody saying, hey, you get to be a columnist at the New York Times now and everybody just sees you and you're supposed to be brilliant.
Like we had to actually get messy and fight our way up.
One of my buddies says another part of the analogy is like, you go to public school, you either go to jail or you end up having success in life because like, and it's obviously an exaggeration, but he's talking about like you're in the real muck.
You're not going to an elite private school.
He's like, you go to an elite private school, you'll make $200,000 a year, but you don't have the toughness to end up CEO, right?
Now, there's some truth to that.
And I think the internet is a, as a general rule, a meritocracy.
And the top-down structure, which the left prefers doesn't work.
MSNBC is collapsing.
And now, what is everybody doing?
Going to grab guys and gals on the internet and put them on television, put them on radio.
And it works because we had to compete.
buck sexton
Yeah, Buck, that's what I would add to a place.
dave rubin
Well, that point that Clay just made right there, I think is a really interesting one.
It seems to me that in their death throes right now, where we are bigger than them, and yet they still are, in some sense, are the center of everything.
And maybe the world just needs a center because otherwise we'd all be spinning off in our own universes.
But it seems to me in that in their last moments here, they are grabbing these random people from the internet to put them on.
And that just shows you how desperate they are.
So you'll see a lot of these random, you know, podcast people show up on these big, quote-unquote, big time CNN shows now.
buck sexton
Well, there's two other things that I would add to all this.
I agree with what my esteemed colleague.
Well, apparently three hours a day hanging out with them isn't enough, Dave.
You had to, you had us here.
You know, can you have us on Sunday mornings?
Clay and I, I have to see him every day of the week.
But two other things I would say.
One is I still think even people who say it's a big deal generally undervalue or underestimate what a massive shift it has been that we have a scale social media platform with X that allows for real-time information and fact checking and like BS destroying to be out there.
I think that's a huge part of this.
So they can't get away with this stuff they were getting away with before.
In some ways, I think the censorship and the media control was worse in the social media era than it had really ever been before because you had so much control and down to such a granular level.
As we know, Dave, and this happened to you, this happened to other people.
unidentified
They go after individual people, right?
buck sexton
They would either demonetize you or they'd shadow bench, all that stuff.
Elon has now broken that wide open with X.
And so I think we should all be very grateful to what he's done for freedom there.
And then the other thing I'd say, and this might be a little more controversial, but a lot of these establishment media outlets, it's funny because when Jake Tapper was trying to defend Corine Jean-Pierre, whose book tour is even more disastrous than Kamala Harrison, which is hard to fathom.
Like this is the way two of the worst book tours by their own sides.
They're mocking them.
dave rubin
Don't forget his own book tour was pretty disastrous too.
unidentified
I mean, he was right.
dave rubin
It's a three for three.
buck sexton
This was terrible.
unidentified
Yeah.
buck sexton
Right.
Jake Taffer, Mr. Slick Jake Tapper, his was terrible.
But he tried to say, oh, well, Corine Jean-Pierre was a good pundit when she was, I can't speak to how she was in the White House.
It's like, look, a lot of these entities, MSNBC, the New York Times, they were the pinnacle of DEI hiring.
And let's just say they weren't always hiring people that made the best arguments, were the best writers, or actually had the most mental acuity.
Like, that's just the truth.
dave rubin
And by the way, we played that clip that you're talking about on the show the other day.
And it's like, well, Jake, why can't you speak to her time in the White House?
You opine on everything else.
buck sexton
Yeah.
dave rubin
So thank you for telling us that years ago she was okay as a broadcaster, but how about for three minutes at a time?
clay travis
You have to be a fucking ignoramus to really be bad on television when you only have to talk for three minutes total.
You get exposed when you have to talk for an hour and answer questions that demonstrate you haven't done your basic homework.
That's when you get exposed.
buck sexton
You ever get to stage my favorite thing?
My favorite thing is people come up to Claire and me and they're just like, who writes all your stuff?
clay travis
Yeah.
buck sexton
And you're just like, writes it?
Like, yeah.
I mean, on the one hand, I'm flattered.
On the other hand, I'm like, what kind of books are you reading, buddy?
unidentified
Yeah.
dave rubin
No, I always say on the show, look, for better or worse, this stuff is coming out of my brain.
All right, guys, let's just do one other thing right here because it is Halloween.
And although robots are not really the specific part of Halloween, they are coming.
They are going to take over.
We are going to be in a dystopia nightmare.
And this week, Neo the Robot, which is going to be the first kind of at-home robot, it's going to make it to the market apparently before Elon's Optimus robot is now available for pre-order.
Look at this.
joanna stern
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The first humanoid robot housekeeper.
Thank you, Neo.
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Think you missed a tiny spot over here?
Just one little catch.
There may be a human behind the curtain pulling the robot's strings.
If I throw up, will the robot throw up?
A company representative may need to peer into your house via Neo's camera eyes to get things done.
To many people, this is crazy.
unidentified
You have to be okay with this for the product to be useful.
joanna stern
We're twinning now, Neo.
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Its fabric-covered body lets Neo try to do a lot of things humans do around the house.
Emphasis on try.
dave rubin
Clay, we know all this stuff is coming.
This seems like a particularly perverse version in that maybe there's going to be a guy in a VR suit somewhere in India actually watching what's in your house.
Most people didn't expect that part.
But even if they didn't have that part, the idea that the robot's in your house watching you all the time and can just upload that all that information and video and data and audio to the cloud, kind of disturbing.
However, I'm going to take a slightly different tack at this, which is this is happening whether we like it or not.
Like five years from now, I'm going to bet that the three of us have either this or Optimus in our house because it's just kind of how we all have iPhones now.
clay travis
Look, I think the maybe more terrifying aspect of this is, I'm going to build on it.
I don't know how many jobs are going to exist in 15 or 20 years.
Like, I mean, I look around at how rapidly AI is evolving.
And yes, I mean, it can say, okay, we're going to have Rosie from the Jetsons like working as a housekeeper.
Maybe that, you know, knocks a few jobs out.
Most people don't have homemades right now, right?
It's just really more of a convenience thing.
Buck and I have talked about this both on air and off air.
I look around at a lot of jobs.
We got a caller the other day who called in and said, Hey, I work in HR and she worked out in Utah.
And she's like, I've been applying hundreds of jobs.
You look at the number of jobs that are being cut already in white collar.
I think in 20 years, that's the scary thing.
It's going to be not only robot replacement, but actual jobs that we rely on many people doing taking over too.
So I just think we're at a technological tipping point that's going to be transformative very rapidly.
unidentified
Right.
dave rubin
I think this week Amazon announced they're going to cut 30,000 jobs because, you know, basically you're going to have drones that'll deliver the stuff.
And then for postmates, it'll be an automated car and probably eventually a robot that then will walk it to your buck gets food delivered by robots now.
clay travis
We talked about this on the air.
buck sexton
I haven't even told Clay about the little robot that shows up to give me a grease sound or a shiatsu sometimes, but you know, that's fun too.
unidentified
But no, there really are, there really are little robots.
buck sexton
Have you seen these, Dave, in the neighborhood here?
Yes, this is for real that do the food delivery now.
And I would say this is, it's a little weird, a little dystopian, but I will also say that if we go to driverless cars, yes, there may be mass unemployment, but if that means that I no longer have to listen to blasting reggaeton music every time I get food in South Florida, civil unrest is a small price to pay.
A small price.
dave rubin
But Buck, I don't have to tell you at Miami the cologne that these guys wear.
Oh my God.
But for real, do you guys?
unidentified
Those little trees, those little trees, they smell horrible.
buck sexton
Why do we have little trees in the smelly trees?
You know what I mean?
clay travis
Yeah.
dave rubin
No, and they're endocrine disruptors.
They're making the frogs gay or something.
Isn't that what Alex Jones said?
But for real, do you guys, five years from now, are you guys going to have one as they become ubiquitous, as everyone kind of gets it, as Elon rolls out the other one?
Will you get one?
buck sexton
Yeah, I think everyone is going as they become, I think it'll be interesting because you'll probably have them for discrete tasks at first, like specific things, right?
And so, you know, people are saying, oh, you have discrete Michelin stars.
dave rubin
That was your way of saying you're going to fuck the robots.
buck sexton
That might not have been the right word there.
dave rubin
Specific.
No, it's specific.
We get it.
It's specific and discreet.
Okay.
buck sexton
Specific and discreet.
You know?
Well, definitely not if like some guy from India or whatever is going to be outsourcing the video of whatever, you know, that's not discreet.
unidentified
Keep going.
clay travis
I will be slow on the uptake.
I'll be slow on the, I don't, I don't do technology very fast because I'm skeptical that it's going to be that much better.
But if everybody else starts talking about how awesome it is, then I would bet my boys will be the first ones who will want to try it.
The kids, because they read paper delivery.
He's still getting paper newspaper delivery.
buck sexton
Which is like, what century are we in?
dave rubin
Wow, good for you.
clay travis
I'm like, no, I'm going to be the last guy with print newspapers.
Every time I get on a flight, I have a stack of print newspapers like this high.
I'm the only person carrying them.
dave rubin
You know, people always ask me if I miss New York City, and the only thing that I miss is when I used to, for a quarter, get the New York Post and read it on the subway.
That is the only thing I miss of New York City.
clay travis
I love newspapers.
dave rubin
Yeah.
clay travis
Actual print newspapers.
dave rubin
Gentlemen, what are you going to be for Halloween tonight besides each other the way I set up the show, which is quite weird?
Clay, what are you going to be tonight?
clay travis
I am going to be dad following around my youngest son who is going to be dressed as a banana.
So I'm going to be shepherding him around for trick-or-treating, not dressed up this year myself.
Wife has been in charge of couple costumes past several years, but we're moving to a new house, so no Halloween party this year.
dave rubin
Buck, are you taking the little lady out for Halloween?
buck sexton
I am a guy who got a haircut in Miami for the first time, let them do what they wanted to do.
And so I'm going out tonight as South Florida Buck instead of 1985 Michael P. Keaton Buck.
dave rubin
It's funny.
I was about to make a Teen Wolf reference, which is kind of Michael J. Fox.
It all works.
unidentified
Yeah.
dave rubin
Well, I'm a Ghostbuster.
We're big into Ghostbusters in this house.
clay travis
Oh, that's awesome.
My boys.
dave rubin
Yep.
I am Peter Vankman.
I kind of wanted to be the black guy, but I was told that that's probably not ideal for the rest of my career.
clay travis
By the way.
Buck knows this on the Ghostbusters.
Are your boys big Ghostbusters?
Yeah, they are obsessed.
dave rubin
They're obviously obsessed, obsessed.
clay travis
So I talked about this this week.
My middle son was obsessed with the Ghostbusters.
We took him to New York City.
The only thing he wanted to do in New York City was go see all the Ghostbuster 1 and Ghostbuster 2 places.
He dressed as a Ghostbuster to ride around on the subway to go visit all of the Ghostbuster sites, which was absolutely awesome.
dave rubin
I have been to that apartment building on Central Park West.
clay travis
Oh, yeah.
dave rubin
That is something.
All right, guys.
Happy Halloween.
Have a good weekend.
clay travis
Happy Halloween, everybody.
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