Oct. 15, 2025 - Rubin Report - Dave Rubin
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| I'm pissed about what happened there. | ||
| It should have never been able to happen. | ||
| It's a travesty that it did. | ||
| The whole country was lied to in the aftermath by Kimberly Cheadle coming out and saying, you know, they didn't have you know counter-sniper teams on the rooftop because there was too much slope, and yet the roof was like this. | ||
| Like you had like, you know, Jerry at uh you had old men walking across the rooftop from Congress, like you know, two days later, like give me a break. | ||
| We're we're a lied to. | ||
| The fact that somebody got on a roof with a modern day rifle with modern day optics at 130 yards from a former commander-in-chief and and and somebody who was very well gonna be this you know commander in chief based on polls, what was insane. | ||
| And they've never gotten to the bottom of it. | ||
| I mean, they got into the cell phones of every January 6th protester, you know, old you know, grandmother who walked through the the Capitol and took a selfie, you know, but somehow they can't get into the phones, you know, the multiple phones of somebody who tried to assassinate you know my father and you know the the body was cremated about you know four days later or five days later. | ||
| I mean, I don't know, something doesn't feel right. | ||
| And I am wholly unsatisfied. | ||
| And I go into it in pretty great detail in the book. | ||
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| All right, I'm Dave Rubin. | ||
| This is the Rubin Report, and in this case it is cliche, but my guest needs no introduction. | ||
| But I will give him an introduction nonetheless. | ||
| He is the executive vice president of the Trump organization and author of the new book, Under Siege My Family's Fight to Save Our Nation. | ||
| Eric Trump, how are you? | ||
| I'm doing well, my friend. | ||
| The books uh the book just went to number one in just about every category, so I never thought I was gonna be an author, but uh obviously we're making some kind of statement right now in the in the universe. | ||
| I'm I'm pretty proud of it. | ||
| Is that the ultimate comeuppance for these people that they tried to destroy your family, which obviously is the is the whole uh backing of the book, and yet uh the book has sold well already. | ||
| Is that proof that uh Trump has won? | ||
| You know, they they they try and destroy us and yet we win. | ||
| And you know, I I think people are voting with their pocketbooks at this point, and uh no, it's amazing. | ||
| I again I never thought I'd be number one in you know biographies, number one in memoirs, number one in government, number one nationally across every category. | ||
| It's a lot of it's a lot of fun. | ||
| But you know, listen, Dave, I I came up with the the name, you know, two years ago, and they tried everything they could to destroy our our company, obviously, which I run. | ||
| I run the Trump organization, I run every single one of our family assets. | ||
| I I run everything outside of Washington, DC. | ||
| They impeached my father the first time, they impeached him the second time, they made up dirty dossiers. | ||
| I mean, they made up the the Russia hoax. | ||
| I was right in the center of that when they said that we had secret servers communicating with with a Kremlin. | ||
| They gagged us, they tried to silence us, they threw us off of every social media platform, Twitter, Instagram, Facebook. | ||
| They weaponized every DA and every AG in this country to come after us. | ||
| I became the most subpoenaed person in American history, 112 subpoenas for doing absolutely nothing wrong. | ||
| I was I was a far cry, my friend from Hunter Biden, who's has a laptop from hell and you know, cocaine and and and heroin and uh you know prostitution, and yet they wanted to kill us. | ||
| They wanted to debank us. | ||
| And I had the title under siege, and then I saw what happened at Butler, and I saw what happened twelve, you know, twelve weeks later at a golf course I run in Palm Beach, you know, when they tried to kill my father the second time. | ||
| And then I saw what happened to our dear friend Charlie Kirk. | ||
| They want to eliminate all of us, you, me, all the independent voices, all the loud voices, the Charlie Kirks, the My Fathers. | ||
| They think if they do that, they can win this this movement. | ||
| They can destroy this movement. | ||
| And they can't, and they haven't been effective, and they just had the biggest political disgrace in American history, and I could not be more proud of all of that. | ||
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| So uh before we get into all of that, I must ask you, since we are of a certain age, the two of us under siege the title. | ||
| I mean, is Jean-Claude Van Damme gonna come at you for a lawsuit on this thing? | ||
| It's a it's a pretty solid movie. | ||
| The sequel wasn't bad either on the train. | ||
| I mean, how'd you get the bigger? | ||
| I'm very disappointed in you. | ||
| It wasn't John Claude. | ||
| It was none other than Steven Cigar. | ||
| Oh, sorry, Steve. | ||
| It was the same era. | ||
| Oh God. | ||
| Now, if if I named this blood sport, it would have that would have been a great cigar movie, all right? | ||
| But this is uh this is named after none other than the uh the great the great Steven Seagal, who was uh who was fantastic. | ||
| And now I listen, I think we all grew up watching Under Siege, right? | ||
| On the on the battleship with Garry Bucey and the rest of them, and uh but uh Tommy Lee Jones was the bad guy. | ||
| There we go. | ||
| Okay, man. | ||
| I just lost all I blew all the time. | ||
| Trust me, I was under I was under much bigger siege than that battleship was with uh with uh you know well. | ||
| So let's uh let's dive into some of this stuff because you know you mentioned right before we started recording that uh you said to me moving to Florida was the best thing you ever did. | ||
| And obviously I very publicly moved to Florida as well. | ||
| But your father, obviously, you guys were in New York originally, you've always had Mar-a-Lago and all that. | ||
| But that this place has become the center of freedom, and it sort of exemplifies you guys built. | ||
| I lived in New York City. | ||
| I I lived on the upper west with the Trump skyline on the Hudson River and you know, midtown and all the stuff. | ||
| I mean, you helped build that city. | ||
| The city's about to turn into a communist nightmare, whatever adjective you want to put to it. | ||
| Um is that the perfect example of the divide in the country right now? | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Kicking you guys out to go that direction. | ||
| I mean, think you know, Letitia James literally had an entire campaign of just uh she's gonna come in as attorney general and just come after our family. | ||
| I mean, she said it. | ||
| She she said on video, I'm gonna go in, I I'm going to sue the hell out of him. | ||
| I'm gonna go into the office in the morning, I'm gonna sue him, I'm gonna leave. | ||
| And you know what I did? | ||
| I took the company and I left New York, a state that I absolutely adore. | ||
| I mean, we have skyscrapers all over New York. | ||
| I built a lot of the city, my father built the entire city. | ||
| I I can't tell you how much of my life was dedicated to New York real estate. | ||
| I know it as well as anyone. | ||
| And yet I pulled all our executives out there because I said I can't do it. | ||
| I had the same thing with one of my kids in school. | ||
| I mean, the indoctrination, the nonsense. | ||
| You know, I when my father went to Walter Reed, I talked about in the book, you know, he has COVID. | ||
| And I'll never forget, I get a call from from the from the principal, actually a text message from her in the middle of the night. | ||
| You know, she probably had a couple glasses of wine. | ||
| Don't even think about dropping your kids off at school. | ||
| I go, uh excuse me, like why not? | ||
| Our faculty is petrified of getting COVID from your family. | ||
| I go, listen, my father's in Walter Reed, but you know I live in New York. | ||
| I live like 230 miles away from him. | ||
| And I go, this is insane. | ||
| I mean, and the great irony is a week later she got COVID and had to shut down the entire school. | ||
| But but this is the craziness we were dealing with. | ||
| I mean, we were dealing with Alvin Bragg, we're dealing with Letitia James. | ||
| They were coming after us. | ||
| They were trying to bankrupt the Trump organization. | ||
| They were trying to get us debanked in every way possible. | ||
| You know, every day I was getting another subpoena. | ||
| And finally I just look at Laura and I say, What the hell? | ||
| What why why are we still here? | ||
| And and honestly, moving to Florida has been the greatest thing I've ever done. | ||
| How was that first round? | ||
| You know, ten years ago, your dad comes down the escalator. | ||
| He had been through a lot of the battles before. | ||
| But you know, I I I know your brother a bit better than I know you. | ||
| How was that for you guys when it really started to turn into hate? | ||
| Because it's one thing for your dad to dive in, having the career he had, been through all the media stuff. | ||
| Obviously, you guys had been on TV and were well known. | ||
| Uh, but you're younger, you're still you have young families, all that stuff. | ||
| Like when it first started, because now you're you've been through it, so it's easier to talk about. | ||
| But what what about that beginning phase when it started going crazy? | ||
| Well, I think honestly we were all naive, everybody. | ||
| But I but I do remember you're when my father called me, he goes, you know, get the kids, bring them up to my office, you know, and uh you know, and and that's obviously when he told us he was gonna run for president. | ||
| He goes, honey, we're you know, kids, we're gonna learn who our true friends are, we're gonna do so very quickly. | ||
| You know, we're we're gonna learn who our true friends are. | ||
| And we went down that escalator, and and I I think you could safely say that there's probably no one that stood on the stage like I did, right? | ||
| Uh uh among anyone. | ||
| I mean, I was on the stage the entire ten years. | ||
| I was I was everywhere with him. | ||
| You know, I I I was I I mean I did thousands of events in every swing stay I was on TV every single night. | ||
| Uh I never thought they were gonna lash out the way they did. | ||
| I mean, he asked me to obviously run the Trump organization, and I thought I'd be building hotels and doing great things. | ||
| Instead, I was I was keeping the animals off of the company. | ||
| I mean, I literally spent 80% of my time, you know, keeping the the Russia hoaxes, all these this fake nonsense away from our company as they were trying to Indict employees for doing absolutely nothing wrong as they were, you know, calling up every single big bank, Capital One to try and de-platform us for doing absolutely nothing wrong. | ||
| And they put a siege on our family, but they were also putting a siege on him. | ||
| They were putting a siege on the movement. | ||
| They were putting a siege on our country all because we dared to stand up and fight for basic things like the Constitution, the First Amendment, freedom of religion, you know, wanting to not get absolutely ripped off by every country around the world, you know, believing believing in red, white, and blue, thinking that's an absolute disgrace to have people like Colin Kaepernick, you know, kneel for the you know the national anthem when you're making 30 million dollars a year and and so on and so forth. | ||
| We were a family that did not need politics, and we were doing this because we were sighting, you know, we're fighting for the heart and soul of this nation, and and they came after us viciously. | ||
| They wanted to see us in jail, they wanted to see us bankrupt, they wanted to see us destroyed, they wanted to see our family split up, and they would use every bit of law enforcement to do it, whether it's raiding Mar-a-Lago, whether it's raiding Melania's closet, whether it's raiding Baron's room, whether it's subpoenaing me, you know, we probably spent 400 million dollars in dispens in in defense of the company on sham cases, all because they were trying to take us out. | ||
| And and honestly, Dave, obviously it didn't wit work and we won in spectacular fashion. | ||
| Were there any moments where you thought they actually were gonna get you guys on something? | ||
| One moment that I know really turned me, because I I did not support your dad the first time around. | ||
| I voted for the libertarian candidate, which I totally regret in retrospect. | ||
| But I remember once when I started to come around, it was during the height of the Russia nonsense, and there was some congressional hearing about it, and you and your brother were live tweeting it. | ||
| And I was like, there is no way that any of this could be legit, and they'd be live tweeting about it. | ||
| It would be such a legal a ridiculously legal, insane thing to do. | ||
| I was like, there's just no way. | ||
| But was there any moment that you thought they're gonna get him on? | ||
| Not that he did anything, but they they'll just figure out a way, or they're gonna get us, or we're gonna lose the business, or or any version of that. | ||
| So many. | ||
| I mean, I I sat with my father every day in those courtrooms in New York. | ||
| Uh, you know, the Marchon, the, you know, the the Ingoran trials. | ||
| And I'll never forget, you know, I I sat there and everybody in that courtroom, every journalist, left and right, you know, knew knew that the case was a sham. | ||
| We've had all of them overturned since. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And and they got up and they read 34 guilty plea, you know, uh, you know, fel felony counts, guilty, guilty, guilty 34 times. | ||
| My father stands up, turns around, we shake hands, we walk out of that courtroom. | ||
| We actually went right to a fundraiser. | ||
| That's how hard we are working. | ||
| We we'd be by in court by day and fundraising and you know on TV by night. | ||
| But in the car, I'll never forget. | ||
| He goes, honey, I don't know how, but we're gonna win this thing. | ||
| And and he wasn't just talking about the court case. | ||
| I mean, he was talking about uh the entire election. | ||
| And I said, we either win the White House or we're all in jail. | ||
| And and by the way, Dave, and that's for doing nothing wrong. | ||
| That that is that's the system that was weaponized, you know, uh against us. | ||
| We either win this, we either win the White House, it's a White House or a jail cell, and that's what they wanted for for all of us. | ||
| And you know, here you are, you know, a a year later, a year and a half later, and we've won every single one of the cases. | ||
| I mean, they also imposed a $600 million penalty on us for doing nothing wrong when you know every bank that we ever had in the company went in and testified that we they were we're the greatest borrower that they've ever had, and that they've never enjoyed an account more than ours. | ||
| And and and somehow using a crooked judge through a cook cricket system, they get a $600 million penalty. | ||
| Again, another thing that's totally been reversed by the appellate courts. | ||
| But yeah, there were a lot of dark moments. | ||
| I mean, Butler was another dark moment when I see my father on the ground bleeding, you know, with blood flowing down his face and his arms, and you know, there were a lot of dark moments. | ||
| And exactly 48 hours after that moment, I was the Republican delay, you know, uh, you know, I was delegate for the state of Florida. | ||
| Uh that made my father the Republican nominee for the for you know president of the United States. | ||
| And so you want to talk about highs and lows in a campaign. | ||
| We we saw every single one of them. | ||
| That Butler day, so tell me a little bit more on the personal side about that, because we all think of him as as the president and the leader of the country, and he's become sort of an avatar of everything that people either love or hate and all of those things, but he's your dad. | ||
| He's the he's the grandfather to your kids. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I go into it in great detail in the book because I'm pissed. | ||
| I'm I'm pissed about what happened there. | ||
| It should have never been able to happen. | ||
| It's a travesty that it did. | ||
| The whole country was lied to in the aftermath by Kimberly Cheadle coming out and saying, you know, they didn't have you know counter-sniper teams on the rooftop because there was too much slope, and yet the roof was like this. | ||
| Like you had like, you know, Jerry, at uh you had old men walking across the rooftop from Congress, like you know, two days later, like, give me a break. | ||
| We're we're lied to. | ||
| The fact that somebody got on a roof with a modern day rifle with modern day optics at 130 yards from a former commander-in-chief and and and somebody who was very well going to be this, you know, commander-in-chief based on polls was insane. | ||
| And they've never gotten to the bottom of it. | ||
| I mean, they got into the cell phones of every January 6th protester, you know, old you know, grandmother who walked through the Capitol and took a selfie, you know, but somehow they can't get into the phones, you know, the multiple phones of somebody who tried to assassinate, you know, my father, and you know, the the body was cremated about you know four days later or five days later. | ||
| I mean, I I don't know, something doesn't feel right, and I I am wholly unsatisfied, and and I I go into it in pretty great detail in the book. | ||
| What how did you explain what happened to your kids or what what kind of conversations were there around that sort of thing? | ||
| Well, my kids were sitting on my lap. | ||
| Uh we were at home. | ||
| I was I was working on email and uh, you know, and obviously it was in the background. | ||
| You you'll remember that was the you know, Butler was was all the channels were speculating that that's when he was going to pick his vice president. | ||
| So everybody was live streaming it, and my kids were on the lap and you know, they're watching you know, grandpa as they see him go down, they see the blood, and Laura grabbed them and and and ran them into the other room, and I'm sitting there, my face is practically touching uh the TV screen. | ||
| I mean, I'm I'm trying to see if he has chest wounds. | ||
| I'm trying to see if you know, he's wearing a dark suit, so you know, you get hit in a certain spot, you're not gonna you're not gonna be able to see it because of of of the dark color of your suit, you're not gonna be able to see the blood. | ||
| And and uh, you know, I I mean, thank God he turned his head when he did, but again, you know, I I remain wholly unsatisfied about what happened there. | ||
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| Is is some of the irony is it just baked into the equation, meaning you mentioned the Biden family before, and we could talk about the auto pen and the corruption, the corruption and the cover-up around his mental health and Ukraine and all of those things. | ||
| Um, but also the family stuff versus you guys, who I feel like I know decently well. | ||
| The last time I saw you was probably about six months ago at Mar-a-Lago because you guys do curativity and you take care of all of these kids that have cancer. | ||
| I mean, it's the it was one of the most wonderful events I've been to in the last couple of years. | ||
| Like seemingly such a good group of people, and that's such a complete stark difference between the Biden thing, and yet you're treated in completely the reverse ways. | ||
| Like it's almost it's almost beyond uh it's beyond the pale in a sense. | ||
| Well, I mean, I think I took four cases up to the Supreme Court over the emoluments clause, and I'm I'm laughing about that. | ||
| You know, you sold a glass of wine to somebody at market rates who walked into Trump International Hotel, sat down the bar, you didn't know who they were, you know, emoluments laws, emoluments laws, right? | ||
| And yet, you know, I I've never seen some have somebody have so many entities for you know, somebody that doesn't have a business. | ||
| Like what like what does Hunter Biden do? | ||
| Like what does Joe Biden do? | ||
| Like what what product do they have? | ||
| Like, you know what I do. | ||
| I sell hotel rooms, right? | ||
| You know, we're in the golf business, we're in the commercial real estate business, we're in, you know, we're we're in residential and and everything else. | ||
| I mean, what what what product are they selling? | ||
| What why do you need you know dozens of of entities that are all linked in kind of clandestine ways, you know, this this web of entities. | ||
| Like, what's he selling? | ||
| Like, like where is Hunter Biden's website? | ||
| I'm just as a good idea. | ||
| I don't I know he's selling very expensive paintings for access for his dad, right? | ||
| I mean, you know what? | ||
| I'm sure I could be a phenomenal painter. | ||
| I I ought to start finger painting, and maybe I should start selling paintings right now. | ||
| And and by the way, if I start selling paintings right now, I'm sure the media would have no problem with it, right? | ||
| If I if I found some nice Chinese national and sold them a nice painting for a million dollars, I'm sure the media would would be a-okay with it because I'm a wonderful artist. | ||
| I mean, give me a break. | ||
| No one buys it. | ||
| It's disgusting. | ||
| It was the greatest cover-up. | ||
| But but Dave, here's what I'll tell you, and I say this all the time, and no one's focused on this. | ||
| The media has Lost all their juice. | ||
| If you go back to 2016, the media had real power. | ||
| The media has no power anymore. | ||
| And that's because of independent voices like you, and because I was willing to stand on the stage, and people like my father, and people like Charlie Kirk and the Joe Rogans of the world, and the you know, uh, you know, Patrick Bet David's of the world, and so many guys who have loud independent voices that aren't controlled by anybody will say whatever's on their mind, we'll say whatever's right at the right time. | ||
| The media is so diminished that in 2024, the Democrats don't have the same they don't have the same game plan before. | ||
| Before they could they could call up and say, you know what, Trump is colluding with Russia, and guess what? | ||
| NBC, ABC, they would they they would all run that for years on end, you know, Trump colluded with Russia. | ||
| And we would have to dig ourselves out of this horrible hole that was just totally false and defamatory, and they could get away with it. | ||
| The reality is no one listens to the mainstream media anymore. | ||
| We we've we've killed them. | ||
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I mean, does your dad does your dad like that? | |
| I assume your dad agrees with that, but he obviously still likes poking the bear, you know, making fun of CNN or Jimmy Kimmel or that kind of stuff. | ||
| So does he does he like just like the idea of it still more than the sort of grip that they have over everyone's minds? | ||
| I mean, I think we all kind of struggle to tell you. | ||
| I don't think he likes poking the bear. | ||
| I don't think he likes poking the bear. | ||
| I think he freaking loves poking the bear, especially at this point. | ||
| I mean I did a few weeks ago. | ||
| I put it on the you know, Trump 2028 hat. | ||
| You know, I I I posted a picture with nothing else said. | ||
| I mean, people went crazy, Elon's retweeting it, everybody's retweeting the thing, and and the media is going crazy. | ||
| They're melting down. | ||
| Does this mean that you plan to subvert democracy? | ||
| Like I'm literally just trolling, you know, the mainstream media and having a great time doing it. | ||
| But you know, it it it shows how kind of gullible they are. | ||
| It also shows shows who they are, and and exactly you know, the fact that they really are the lobbyist party for the for the for the Democrats, and and they've lost all their power. | ||
| And so, you know, first term it was very hard. | ||
| Like, you know, they started a narrative, it was very hard to beat that narrative off you. | ||
| Now it's like they can't even start a narrative. | ||
| Like they don't have enough respect anymore. | ||
| People don't trust them. | ||
| They don't have the hearts and minds of of the American people because the American people realize that they've been lied to over and over and over again. | ||
| And it actually is making my father so much more effective in in in 2024. | ||
| He was so effective in in 2016, but you know, he's also throwing so much lead in the air right now that they literally like can't counter narrative it. | ||
| So between that and not having a coherent media and having the weakest Democratic Party probably in history, you know, he he's just having a field day and uh and doing great and incredible things. | ||
| Aaron Powell I mean, this is gonna sound like almost too like pat everybody on the back, but do you think he is better now than he's ever been? | ||
| I mean, I watch him now, and his it's not only the policies, which I've basically across the board have been, I think phenomenal, but his the way he responds to the media now, the way he's not taking the bait on certain things, still will hit them when needed. | ||
| Like it seems like he's just measured it out, and it's and it's pretty damn perfect. | ||
| We went into Washington in 2017. | ||
| I mean, we we didn't know what a delegate was. | ||
| I mean, Dave, we built we built hotels. | ||
| Like, you know, I I remember, you know, like a 22-year-old staffer came up to me, sir. | ||
| You know, we'd like you to speak at the Iowa caucuses, you know, in two days, and I was campaigning all over the state. | ||
| No problem, guys. | ||
| Happy to speak anywhere. | ||
| Put me on any stage, give me a microphone, I'm happy to speak. | ||
| But what the hell is a caucus? | ||
| Can somebody find like, you know, can somebody you know, that's not what we did, right? | ||
| But yet, yet we had an amazing voice, yet, you know, you were able to speak about a person you really loved. | ||
| You know, America saw a family on that stage, not just not just the candidate. | ||
| They saw love and they saw fight and they saw work ethic, and and and that ultimately won the day. | ||
| And there's no question we've all matured. | ||
| I've matured in a major way. | ||
| Uh, you know, I I I know what fights to pick, what fights to not. | ||
| Um, you know, I have a level of confidence that I never had before, and and and clearly my father does as well. | ||
| One other thing, losing in 2020, and I I I I say losing, right? | ||
| Because, you know, it's it's give me a break. | ||
| No one actually believes that Joe Biden got 16 million more votes than Barack Obama did in 2012, a guy who didn't leave a basement, like a guy who couldn't put together a coherent sentence. | ||
| 81 million votes. | ||
| You see that charge. | ||
| Let's just do this. | ||
| So losing in 2020 was actually the greatest thing that ever happened, you know, to us, and that now all of a sudden we have the House, we have the Senate, we have a 6-3 majority on the Supreme Court, we have, you know, obviously the executive branch, but we also, my father has a killer cabinet. | ||
| I mean, these are people who are battle tested. | ||
| They were the people who were there in the roughest times and never left his side, and they're having an absolute field day, and and they can't be deterred. | ||
| It's very different than, you know, 2018, where you had the Rex Tillersons who are running for the Hills, and you had the Uh, you know, I I mean I can name I can name 30 of them that spent more time working against my father than they did actually working for the administration, despite how incredibly effective he was during those years. | ||
| And so there's no question that there's a level of maturity. | ||
| There's no question that uh all the chips are just lined up uh in in in a better fashion now, and man, the amount he's getting done is is awesome to see. | ||
| It's it's amazing to see. | ||
| So putting the politics aside for a second, what would on the roller coaster ride of running the businesses? | ||
| Obviously, the businesses are even before the lawsuits and everything, you know, your dad became so polarizing. | ||
| How did you manage? | ||
| Okay, we've still got to sell hotel rooms. | ||
| We've got all these other products, you know. | ||
| Now we've got sort a certain set of the country that's just not going to touch these things that loved it, that loved all these products, you know, four years ago. | ||
| How did you manage just sort of to to traverse that that landscape? | ||
| Yeah, and and listen, you had 50% of the country that walked to the end of Earth for, you know, from my father, and and uh and so listen, there's no question it came with challenging time where we canceled, did a lot of group business, you know, uh go elsewhere because they you know, you know, frankly, it's obviously we became political, sure. | ||
| But the the exact opposite is net happening now. | ||
| I think we've we have the the greatest brand in the world. | ||
| I'm so fortunate to run the company. | ||
| We're we're the best company that we've ever had by a factor of a lot. | ||
| But they wanted to see us dead. | ||
| I mean, every every Fortune 500 CEO of a big bank was calling us up. | ||
| Congratulations, we're canceling your accounts, Capital One, Chase, Bank of America. | ||
| They were doing everything that they could to pull the rails out from under us. | ||
| Every attorney general was was was attacking us and suing us. | ||
| We're getting subpoenaed every single day. | ||
| Tens and tens of millions of dollars were, you know, or documents in in discovery production on every front. | ||
| The raids on Mar-a-Lago, the attacks on our employees, the attacks on, you know, me personally and and and everybody in the family. | ||
| They were trying to divide the family, they were trying to split up the family. | ||
| You know, that was the nature of the siege. | ||
| And that's before they they turned to physical violence, i.e., Butler, i.e., the golf course incident, i.e., Charlie Kirk, right? | ||
| I mean, they wanted to do anything they could to silence our voice and put us under siege. | ||
| And it's um it's a beautiful story, and it's a story that we won. | ||
| And um and it's a story I'm incredibly proud of. | ||
| I'm not I'm not sure how many people would have had the backbone and tenacity uh to fight through what my father fought through and fight through what we fought through. | ||
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| I I know we've only got a couple of minutes left. | ||
| Do you miss that uh that DC hotel? | ||
| Because the vibe in that hotel uh during your d dad's first go-around was so absolutely electric. | ||
| And it's a Waldorf now. | ||
| It's a perfectly nice hotel, but it's just not the same. | ||
| Do you miss that at all? | ||
| Everybody tells me that Erica's not the same. | ||
| It's not the same. | ||
| That was like the one that was like the one bastion of of conservative thought in all of Washington, D.C. So people just flock to it. | ||
| And it became a you know, frat party every night of of the greatest people in the world. | ||
| And um, no, I very much do. | ||
| And uh and and hopefully we'll be back in some way, shape, or form in DC with some hospitality and in in the future. | ||
| But uh no, no question I miss it. | ||
| And uh, you know, it was it was a great place during the first term. | ||
| Aaron Powell Let me let me ask you one other thing, not book related, but sort of politics related, which is that uh I'm completely uh on board what you said before, the you know, the Democrat Party's been demolished. | ||
| There's so many good things coming out of the administration. | ||
| We're we're seeing a certain amount of infighting on the right right now, which I think most of us are trying to calm everybody down, but there is some fighting there. | ||
| I want what your dad created, this incredible wide tent MAGA you love if you love America, you're in, we can set aside some of the differences. | ||
| Are Are you seeing some of that? | ||
| And what do you think we can do to calm it down? | ||
| Because I think you, you and your brother outside of your dad can really help, you know, put this thing together. | ||
| Yeah, there's no question. | ||
| Listen, I you know, uh Republicans have always been interesting. | ||
| You know, d Democrats always just march and lockstep. | ||
| You know, Republicans so oftentimes came out of business, came out of small business, were independent thinkers, had careers that you know before politics, you know, typically didn't just go right in. | ||
| You know, and and so, you know, uh so many of them are you know, they're they're type A people and you know they believe in in their way or the highway, and and that's that's not a bad thing. | ||
| I certainly do as well in in my own life, and you probably do in in your career. | ||
| You know, but oftentimes it's harder to acqu acqu you know, bring those people together when their entire lives they've built incredible buildings and incredible industries and incredible careers and professions and everything else, doing whatever they did the way they did it. | ||
| And so all of a sudden it's you have to follow the, you know, kind of, you know, the the the horse in front of you, you know, the donkey in front of you. | ||
| Democrats are great at that. | ||
| You know, the Republicans are are really are really bad at at that, and they traditionally have been. | ||
| But I will say we have the most united Republican Party that we've ever had before. | ||
| My father's killed more rhinos than anybody in the history history of rhino hunting. | ||
| I mean, go back to the Ben Sass days, go back to the uh, you know, uh Paul Ryan days, go back to the Mitt Romney days. | ||
| I mean, let's let's go through, you know, all of them, you know, the the McCain days and the Cheney days, and uh, you know, I mean, my father has a perfect rhino hunting record, so I I think we have got the strongest Republican Party ever. | ||
| And one other thing, he's actually created a party that's willing to fight and willing to be loud and won't back down and won't put up with nonsense. | ||
| They have backbone. | ||
| It's it's very different than the Republican Party that you and I grew up under in this country, which was pretty much irrelevant and uh, you know, had no juice and had no, you know, had no message and had no love, and it certainly wasn't a movement. | ||
| It was not the movement that Make America Great Again is. | ||
| The book is under siege, and I never thought I'd have to end an interview with Eric Trump by apologizing to Steven Segal, but here we are. | ||
| It was good to see you, my friend. | ||
| Hopefully I'm making you very proud. | ||
| I cannot believe I butchered that. | ||
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