Dave Rubin examines the Charlie Kirk assassination, contrasting Bill Maher and Ben Shapiro's tense exchange on labeling opponents Nazis with Rubin's critique of left-wing rhetoric calling for violence. While Trump awards Kirk the Presidential Medal of Freedom and his wife vows to continue America Fest, Rubin highlights how Kirk's faith-based approach inspired youth like Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s niece. Ultimately, the episode argues Kirk was killed for truth-telling rather than imposing laws, reinforcing that American values demand no one die over words despite political polarization. [Automatically generated summary]
Awful lot of views over the weekend for all the wrong reasons.
But welcome to everybody.
And for those of you that have been with us for a long time, you know that my general position on this show is to do it in as humorful and sarcastic and silly a way as possible.
And I'm not exactly sure how that's going to go today or for the foreseeable future because there's just so much here.
Obviously, it's deeply personal to me.
It's deeply personal to many of you guys, whether you met Charlie once or went to a turning point thing or you just watched him forever.
You know, that cold open that we just showed right there, that I think was from 2018, beginning of 2018.
We had just met a few weeks before in 2017.
We were going through all of our old videos with Charlie over the weekend and we'll be releasing certain behind the scenes things and some other stuff.
You know, it was a very, it's been just like an unbelievably difficult couple days for really for every decent person in the country because it does not matter what your politics are.
And I'm not going to over, I'm not going to keep saying that over and over because it's obvious.
So, you know, look, there's, there's also, I just, a couple personal things real quick, then we'll get to it.
You know, I was in New York City for, really, I was going for the 24th anniversary, 24th anniversary of 9-11.
And I was at the Cantor Fitzgerald event where they had four floors of Power One and they lost over 600 employees.
And, you know, I was in New York City during 9-11.
My dad saw the plane hit.
You've heard a lot of the stories.
But I was going for that.
So I was already going for a somewhat somber thing.
And then to be there on 9-11 down at ground zero to the backdrop of the murder of Charlie, in some way it made 9-11 seem a little small, which I know is a complete thing.
I'm just being as like, I'm just being as honest and transparent as I can.
It felt like a little small that day.
And I think everyone had it.
And even at the Cantor Fitzgerald Memorial, I was at the 9-11 Memorial Museum.
Even there, Howard Luttnick, who was running Cantor Fitzgerald, who lost his brother that day and lost, you know, 600 colleagues and coworkers, the only reason he survived was because it was his son's first day of kindergarten and he was taking him to school.
Even he talked about Charlie during the memorial.
Like it was just, it was just powerful.
And then, you know, the next day, because I was in New York, I ended up doing all these.
I was all over Fox and everything.
And I'm just telling you this in the most personal way I can say it.
It's been an extremely weird thing here.
I probably could have used some better adjectives there.
To have to talk about all of this as it's happening with someone that I know, someone that I grew up in this world with.
One of the things that I'm most amazed by, actually going into the comments over the last couple of days on our videos, is how many of you are saying that I actually introduced you to Charlie because I was, the reason what brought us together was I was on the left and he was on the right.
So all of these people that were on the left that were kind of waking up like me, they didn't know Charlie just the way I didn't know Charlie.
And then because Charlie and I started talking, we actually ended up introducing thousands, who knows how many people to Charlie.
And anyway, it's just been very weird having to talk about this stuff and do some fighting.
We'll get into my Piers Morgan's appearance.
And then I was on BBC and they're asking me about gun control and just all of this stuff.
But my commitment to you is that I will consistently try to be a little bit better.
That's my only takeaway of this so far.
Like my only clean takeaway is that we just all have to be a little bit better to whatever extent we can.
And obviously the show will be a bit more on the shooter himself, a little bit about Charlie's legacy, some of the political and media fallout and everything else.
And I will try to say something funny somewhere around the 45-minute mark.
But let's start with real time with Bill Maher, because as you know, Bill, who's been, although perhaps wrong on some of his political conclusions, has been right about free speech, of course, and exchanging ideas and breaking bread with people you don't like, like going to the White House, as Bill did, what, four or five months ago, and talking to Trump, who he's been highly critical of, and Trump has been highly critical of him.
He had Ben Shapiro on.
I think that was a last-minute booking to talk about all of this.
And they got into what I think is, from a media perspective, the most important part, or maybe even a full cultural perspective, which is this thing that we have done that I think I've been one of the leaders on pushing back about, which is we cannot call all of our political opponents the worst things in the world.
If you call people, if you call Trump Hitler and you call his supporters Nazis or relentlessly and you do it over and over and over again, literally for years, then would someone not take it into their mind to think maybe I can stop Hitler?
So we'll get to some of the clips of him talking to Ben in just a second, but I wanted to start with that because it's interesting if you listen to the audience when Bill's talking to his own people, right?
Now, a lot of them, they're Bill Maher-style liberals, so they're not the complete wackadoodle progressives.
But to say to an audience, stop calling him Hitler, like my guess is Bill's probably done it a little bit, right?
And that's not really the point.
Like everyone can use language loosely or also, I mean, that's the whole point of comedy, right?
Like you're trying to get as close to the line as possible and hopefully you don't trip over it and say something that's really stupid, but getting to that line, that's where the funny part is, right?
But I think him just saying that, in and of itself, it's good to hear, right?
It is good to hear maybe the last sane guy on the left say no more of this stuff because it seeds the ground, right?
It's just like dropping seeds into the ground.
I'm reading a book with the kids now at night about how an acorn gets to the ground and then becomes a tree.
And it's like, that's what it is.
Like you keep doing this over and over.
Well, that acorn's going to fall, right?
And then it's going to start growing.
It's going to disintegrate and start growing and it'll be watered.
And then you will think, everyone will think that these people really are Nazis and Hitler.
And then, again, what would be the moral thing to do if you thought that someone truly was the worst of all things?
That's the endless debate, right?
Like people have had this for years and years and years.
Would you go back and kill baby Hitler?
Anyway, here's Maher talking about how the Democrats really have gotten weak when it comes to debating ideas.
And when you will not sit down with someone and debate, just as Charlie and I have done for so many years, that then it starts looking pretty easy just to kill somebody.
Okay, so, of course, Bill is correct that if you do this endlessly, you might start killing people.
Now, I've said for a long time the left-right war is not really the thing either.
My argument really has been it's for people who want sort of control, like centralized control versus a more libertarian attitude.
I don't mean card-carrying member of the Libertarian Party.
But do you want the government really to tell you exactly how to live, or do you want to put that more in the power of the people?
People can say that's a liberal conservative argument or left-right argument or whatever, but let's just put that aside for a second.
The point here is that Charlie just wanted to debate.
You know, I remembered this over the weekend that one time Charlie and I did an event, I don't remember what school it was at, but as we were walking out, somebody threw, they would throw things at us and pull fire alarms and call in bomb threats and noise makers and all of this stuff.
But somebody threw a cup of coffee, like hot coffee at us, and it mostly hit me.
And I was usually dressed like this, like with the button down and a jacket.
It mostly hit me and a little bit splashed on him.
And I turned to Charlie and I was like, well, I was glad that I'm glad that's not acid.
And he goes, Dave, that's why I wear a t-shirt, meaning like it ruined my jacket, but he just wears a t-shirt.
Like we just knew that these weird things were going to happen.
Okay, so now I want to get into it where Ben jumps in because they talk about sort of the difference between when a Democrat or someone on the left does something bad versus the other way around.
The reality is that as somebody who receives an inordinate amount of death threats, and I know the kind of death threats that Charlie was getting, you can break down the death threats and where they are coming from.
And if we are not politically correct, then we understand that if there's a shooting at a synagogue, it is very likely to be either a white supremacist or a radical Muslim.
If it is a shooting of a Republican politician, it is very likely to be a trans Antifa Marxist shoot.
Okay, so first off, everything Ben said there was right.
We'll have more on the shooter himself in just a minute.
And Ben was correct on that.
I understand Bill's inclination, which is we need to find out more information and blah, blah, blah.
Like that is good.
In a time of internet when shit just flies and rumors fly and everyone gets caught retweeting something that's not true and also people wait to see if it fits their narrative before they decide to promote it or not.
I understand Bill's inclination.
But yes, in fact, it does turn out that this kid was living with a trans, well, it sounds like partner or lover or something.
Anyway, we'll get to some of that.
But Ben's point there also, I think, really exposes why this intersectional monster that we've been talking about for so long is so dangerous.
How is it that you have like queers for Palestine?
How does that actually work?
You take the gender queer radicals and you combine them with the oppression, the perceived oppression of the Palestinians.
And then they all are out there together with their grievance.
But their grievance, as Ben talks about, is really just to destroy the system, right?
The queers never show up in Palestine because if they did, they would be killed.
So it's a short-term game that a bunch of groups with really horrific competing interests are all playing.
This is the Islamist Marxist, the red-green alliance, right?
And that is the thing that we are all, if you believe in Western values, you don't have to be a perfect conservative.
Charlie and I still had different philosophical views and political conclusions and all of those things.
But if you believe in America as a place of pluralism and freedom and all of those things and individual rights, et cetera, et cetera, then you have to stand up for people's ability to be a little bit different, but also call out this nonsense.
And that's what Ben, I think, was doing quite effectively there.
So let's figure out a little bit more about the shooter on the other side, but first, PDS debt.
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Okay, so Ben and Charlie, sorry, so Ben and Bill were obviously agreeing largely on that we have to be able to speak.
We should not use these over-the-top pejoratives to label an entire group because crazy people might get involved.
The pushback was a little bit about, okay, how much do we know about this kid?
And Bill didn't seem to want to go too far.
However, it does turn out that Ben was correct.
Got some info here.
This is from Disclose TV.
Just in FBI released photos of person of interest in connection with Charlie Kirk's assassination, appealed to public for information.
So obviously, that was a few days ago.
We then found out it was a young man by the name of Tyler Robinson.
And this also from Disclosed TV, Justin, mugshots released of Tyler Robinson, Charlie Kirk's assassin.
Now a bit more from ABC News.
Tyler Robinson, the man suspected of killing conservative activist Charlie Kirk during a campus event at a Utah University, had eluded authorities for more than a day.
However, after his father recognized him from photographs distributed by authorities, officials say a series of events ultimately led to the 22-year-old Robinson being taken into custody.
Utah Governor Spencer Cox, a Republican, told ABC's this week on Sunday morning that Robinson has not made any confessions and is not cooperating with authorities.
But Cox added that people around him are cooperating.
Cox was also asked about a Sunday New York Times report that alleged Robinson had communicated with others on the online messaging platform Discord after the shooting.
The New York Times reported that Robinson had made jokes about being the alleged gunman.
Cox replied that those conversations definitely were happening.
Multiple law enforcement sources have told ABC News that the authorities are reviewing a Discord group chat between several people joking about how the shooter looked like Robinson as first reported by the Times.
The father then called a youth pastor who is also a U.S. Marshals Task Force.
I'm sorry, the prompter jumped here.
Task Force officer.
The officer advised the father to have Robinson stay in place.
This information was then conveyed to the FBI.
Cox thanked Robinson's family who did the right thing.
During the press conference, Cox said that when law enforcement identified Robinson, they also interviewed Robinson's roommate who showed them a message between Robinson and his roommate.
The content of these messages included messages affiliated with the contact Tyler stating a need to retrieve a rifle from a drop point, leaving the rifle in a bush.
The messages also referred to engraving bullets and a mention of a scope and rifle being unique, authorities said.
And before I even comment on any of that, then let's jump back to Utah Governor Spencer Cox verifying that Kirk's killer, Robinson, was in a relationship with a trans partner.
So he was a male transitioning to female in a relationship with Robinson, who is male.
It all gets very confusing, but okay, let's leave that there.
So this, again, this illustrates that Ben was correct on real time.
So this is what Ben was saying on Friday.
Bill didn't want to quite get there yet.
This also, I think, illustrates something interesting where, you know, you're going to hear all of this stuff.
We're hearing it already that Charlie hated trans people.
He hated trans people.
Now, first off, I personally never heard Charlie say anything, anything, quite literally anything hateful about anyone.
He treated people as individuals.
I mean, this was what Charlie was always doing was trying to take his religious values and apply them within the American political system.
And Charlie did not want, just as I do not want, and I'm sure you do not want children to be forced to have their genitals cut off or go through chemical castration or anything else.
He didn't want the intentional confusion as it relates to pronouns.
He didn't want teachers to be hiding that information from parents and all of those things.
Now, I actually don't 100% know Charlie's opinion on, let's say, an adult.
So now it's a 21-year-old who chooses to do whatever it is that they want to with their body.
So do that stuff, but make that decision as an adult.
My guess is while Charlie would say it doesn't actually change your gender, which is true, he probably would have also said it's your right to do with your body what you want.
So the idea that Charlie hated trans people, and just one other quick thing on this, the idea that the LGBT thing, that these things have anything to do with each other, is completely ridiculous.
I never use that phrase and I'm going to try not to.
And I hope other people will stop.
T, the T has nothing to do with the L's and the G's and the B's.
And it's important to understand that.
So now a bit more about the partner here.
And this is from Benny Johnson breaking.
A family member of Lance Twiggs, who was the transgender boyfriend of Charlie Kirk's assassin, Tyler Robinson, says the family cut ties with Twiggs due to his hostility towards anyone supporting conservative or Christian values and confirmed Robinson lived with him.
Robinson's family, which it now turns out, which it now turns out apparently was just kind of a, it was, for lack of a better term, a good Christian family.
Parents were married.
Seems like things were basically right there.
They then cut off relations with Twiggs because it sounds like it was radicalizing their son, or at least at the very least, he was not being very kind to them.
So we are finding out a little bit more.
We're going to have a chilling tweet from Charlie in just a second.
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All right, so let me be really, really, really clear about one thing here, which is that I don't blame anyone for the shooting specifically other than the person who pulled the trigger.
But of course, that doesn't mean that the culture around everything shouldn't be looked at, right?
That's what we started at the top.
If you keep calling Trump Hitler and his supporters Nazis, someone might get involved.
Now, that doesn't mean, unless someone says go ahead and pull the trigger, it doesn't mean we should be chilling free speech, but we should, I guess it would be incumbent upon any of us, especially those who do something like what I do for a living, to be perhaps a little more thoughtful.
I think that's a fair way to put it.
This is a, listen to this tweet from Charlie.
This is from, what's the date on this?
We'll check the date in just a second.
But this is from a few months ago.
Assassination culture is spreading on the left.
48% of liberals say it would be at least somewhat justified to murder Elon Musk.
55% said the same about Donald Trump.
In California, activists are naming ballot measures after Luigi Mangion.
The left is being whipped up into a violent frenzy.
Any setback, whether losing an election or losing a court case, justifies a maximally violent response.
This is the natural outgrowth of left-wing protest culture tolerating violence and mayhem for years on end.
The cowardice of local prosecutors and school officials has turned the left into a ticking time bomb.
Okay, so that's basically exactly the same thing that Ben said.
If you're in everything for the revolution, if you think someone says America is fundamentally good and you think that that's an attack on you or boys and girls are fundamentally different, you think that's an attack on you, everything is worth exacerbating.
So that tweet, that very chilling tweet about assassination culture from Charlie was just from this past April.
But okay, so Ben and Charlie are making the exact same point.
I think you guys understand what that is.
They constantly, right?
Like how many people defended Luigi Mangioni?
The kid shot a healthcare executive in the middle of Times Square because he had his frustrations with healthcare.
Now, nobody is saying the healthcare system is perfect, but once we say, okay, well, a little vigilante justice is okay.
You think there's a problem with healthcare?
I can just shoot a CEO.
Oh, you don't like the way people are talking about trans issues?
I can just go ahead and shoot Charlie.
Everyone on every which side.
I mean, this is the danger of what the left has done.
And it is not an equal.
I know they desperately right now want to make it seem like people on the right do the same thing, that they gin up.
everybody to start thinking that they should shoot people, but it is simply not true.
It is not a 50-50 equation.
And to prove that, you know, I was a little hesitant when we were going through the run-through this morning about this because there are so many videos of usually mostly young people celebrating Charlie's death.
And it's a lot of TikTok and dancing and all sorts of craziness.
And I don't think it means that it's everyone on the left.
But over the last couple of years, as we've watched all of the quote-unquote sane liberals, so the Tulsis and the Rogans and the Musks and everybody else, as they've left, like what when I always say the inmates are running the asylum, well, yeah, the inmates are running the asylum.
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I just wanted to play a bit of music to commemorate the life, the now-ended life of Charlie Kirk.
I hope you'll all join me in this meaningful moment Charlie Kirk Nothing to do with Charlie Kirk.
I would say pour one out for Kirky Boy, but I don't waste good beer on little bitches.
I haven't posted on TikTok in a long time, but I'm going to now because rest in peace, Bozo.
Charlie Kirk just got put down like a fucking dog in Utah and I could not be happier.
Praise God.
I do not, and I will not ever, ever, ever, ever, ever feel bad when bad people get what they deserve.
I'm not sorry for not mourning Charlie Kirk stuff.
It is insane to shit.
I want to dedicate this next one to an absolute blue.
I know people watching this do not endorse violence.
And again, I was a little hesitant on doing that segment because there's, believe me, there's way more and there are plenty that are way worse than that.
But these are random people.
You know, they all have that same affect and they all kind of look the same.
And you can sort of see how it's connected to the gender thing and all of that stuff.
But try to imagine.
I mean, to prove the asymmetry here, I don't even know who the equivalent of Charlie on the left was.
Like they don't have great communication.
There's no, I mean, I don't know anyone.
Please, please put it in the comments if you can think of somebody.
Somebody on the left who is going to college campuses to thoughtfully explain themselves and welcome conservatives to then debate them.
Like there's nobody.
But if that magical person had existed and then they were assassinated, do you think conservatives, it's not even conservatives, do you think most of us, whatever we all are now, and the younger versions of all of us would be putting up those videos celebrating it?
Like there is a fundamental difference here.
And to illustrate how the system, these people, everything is about the system.
Everything is always about the revolution.
What's the line that James Lindsay uses about this?
The issue is never the issue.
The issue is always the revolution.
Meaning, whatever happens, like, you know, there's always the new thing.
So you have to put up a black star for this on your Instagram and whatever the new thing is.
It's BLM today and George Floyd.
And then they just move it on to the new thing.
And then it's COVID.
You better wear a mask or you're going to kill everybody.
Like there's always a thing, but the issue is always the revolution.
At the end, how do they destroy the system a little bit more?
So now I want to show you this because this is just to show how wokeness has infected the institutions.
It starts by breaking the brains of young people and then it breaks the institutions.
This is absolutely wild.
So the incoming president of Oxford Union is the most prestigious debate society at Oxford, all the way across the pond, literally in the world.
I was there, what, eight months ago, and I'm very proud to say that I won my debate.
You can see me standing there in front of my Muslim tribunal.
And I'll tell you a bit more about some of the behind the scenes there.
But look at this.
This is from the incoming president of the Oxford Union, which is all about debate, George Aberoni.
Charlie Kirk got shot.
Let's fucking go with the prayer emoji, all in caps, scoreboard FN.
And there were a couple other statements he made.
Now, I want to, before we have more on him, I want to show you my, so he's the incoming president of Oxford Union.
So when I was there just a few months ago, defending free speech, defending the right to be offended, making a point about how we cannot allow this to go to the people who would choose to be violent.
He was not the president of the time.
Let me just show you a small portion of that speech and then we'll have more on him.
Oh, oh, we're just doing an image.
Okay, actually, we'll do the video tomorrow.
Now, interestingly, before I, so since we didn't show you the video and just the image, I will tell you that when we were there, it was, while I was honored to be there, and I'm very glad that I did it, and I'm really proud that we won our defense of free speech.
I have to say the place itself was so obviously fallen to the woke ideas.
There was a massive trans flag in the library at Oxford.
That was the only flag that was there.
The amount of young people, including the girl who's behind me in that picture, who is a young, she told me she was a Pakistani immigrant, first generation were her parents, and that all she votes for is to free Palestine.
It had been so infected that place.
And now the president of Oxford Union, George Aberoni, is clearly fine with political violence.
As a matter of fact, here's a throwback video of him speaking at Oxford Union talking about just that.
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To effectively create change in the world we desire.
And Side Prop will argue that at times there is simply nothing else that can be required other than violent retaliation.
And this is a view I wholeheartedly agree with.
The view that some institutions are too broken, too regressive, too oppressive to be reformed.
Like cancers of our society.
They must and they should be taken down by any means necessary.
If you think that the system is evil and oppressive, what would you do to fix the system or at least burn down the system?
Well, he told you right there, by any means necessary.
Well, that includes the means that Tyler Robinson just took, what, five days ago.
So if the system is oppressive enough and who gets to decide if the system's oppressive enough?
Well, it's always these guys.
So this is very, very dangerous, that even though, in my estimation, Oxford is no longer what it was.
It was completely infected, that they could consider putting someone who is for violence.
He celebrated the murder.
He's going to try to be the president of the most important free speech society on planet Earth.
And he was glad when someone was killed over their speech.
Do you understand why this cannot be allowed to happen if Oxford has any shred of decency left, which I'm not sure that it does?
Listen to this from GBN.
Oxford Union president-elect launches new attack on Charlie Kirk as he says, my words were no less insensitive than his.
Except Charlie Kirk never once celebrated the death of anyone.
Charlie Kirk never said, by any means necessary to accomplish his political goals.
But this is the asymmetry of these people.
Now, there's a bit more on this story.
This is from Chris Rose, who's an ex-commentator, breaking University College Oxford will not expel George Aberoni.
They're allowing their reputation to be tarnished by keeping someone who has shown themselves to be a dangerous overgrown child.
Shocking decision by labor peer.
Okay, so I can't say I'm surprised here, actually, because I'm telling you, the place had really become infested with all of the wrong ideas.
But it's important noting when you look at how did this all happen?
How did we radicalize all these people?
And oh my God, they're doing this on Discord and everything else.
Well, they're also now literally going to places like Oxford, which should be perhaps the most elite university on the planet and being encouraged or having a president of the debate society who says you can kill people over words.
Well, it's also happening back here in our country.
It is okay to be happy when someone who hated you and called for your people's death dies, even if they are murdered.
Well, I would say that, look, again, he can say these things.
It's about what his job is.
And also, he's wrong.
Charlie didn't hate anyone.
And I don't think I have no instance of Charlie calling anyone for anyone's death.
And then he retweeted somebody who said he, meaning Charlie, was their Rush Limbaugh replacement.
He wrote, yep, good riddance votes.
So he, this is the director of equity, diversity, and inclusion at UCLA, and he is clearly celebrating the death of somebody he doesn't like.
He's entitled to his opinion, but UCLA as an institution, you know, when we talk about cancel culture, has to decide.
Do you want this person being a representative of your institution?
Well, when these tweets got exposed, listen to this from Corey DeAngelis, breaking, UCLA just took down their entire webpage for their Office of Equity, Diversity, and Inclusion after I exposed their race and equity director's disgusting comments about Charlie Kirk's assassination, but the internet is forever.
And as you can see, there he is, this Jonathan Perkins guy.
I think I might have said the wrong name at the top.
He was referencing the guy who tweeted it.
It gets even weirder when you see some of these responses.
So remember, so someone like this who's celebrating Charlie's death, he works at the DEI, DIE actually, department at UCLA.
Well, it makes you wonder, what type of people did he bring in there?
What culture did he bring in there?
And then young people go to these schools and are taught all of these horrible things and they're told that system is against them and that, you know, political violence kind of is okay.
So TMZ was live on air when it was reported that Charlie Kirk died and some of their employees started cheering in response, which they then had to slightly walk back, but you can see what happened here very clearly.
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Janet, go.
Go to have somebody look at the Fox.
Trump is supposed to exist.
Trump just posted that Charlie Kirk is dead.
All right, so this is where you bull trigger me and get Trump from this section.
Imagine, look, I don't, you know, I largely know my employees' political opinions, but I have no doubt that we disagree on some things or whatever else.
But imagine if I had someone working in my system, in my company, who would cheer Charlie's death.
Like, just imagine how else that might affect things around here.
So Harvey better think about employing some of those people.
Here is a supercut of media and political people on the left just with terrible, terrible takes on Charlie's death.
We don't know if this was a supporter shooting their gun off in celebration or so we have no idea about this.
But following up with what was just said, he's been one of the most divisive, especially divisive younger figures in this who is constantly sort of pushing this sort of hate speech or sort of aimed at certain groups.
And I always go back to hateful thoughts lead to hateful words, which then lead to hateful actions.
You know that people, especially me, having done criminal defense, most offenses like this were personal.
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So you know Charlie Kirk?
Yeah, I do.
And what do you think of what happened to him?
You know, sometimes revenge, the dispress are cold.
I hate to celebrate someone's death, but when you talk about guns' rights and you talk about how much the Second Amendment matters to you and it impacts you, like, what do you expect?
You know?
Sympathies to his family, but this is why we need gun control.
And obviously, it's going to be an endless, like, slow drip of it that comes out.
First off, they all lie about Charlie's positions.
Also, this notion that Charlie said something.
He wants, there's a quote of Charlie's where he said that some gun deaths are, in essence, are going to be the sort of offshoot result of having people have guns.
meaning if you defend the Second Amendment, then is it possible that some people, innocent people, are going to be killed because of guns.
But the obvious, the obvious answer is yes.
You know, one of the things, that doesn't mean we shouldn't have the Second Amendment.
That doesn't mean you shouldn't be able to defend your family and your property and your way of life, right?
The founders understood that.
What Charlie was saying was, yes, there's no perfect system.
So if to have a Second Amendment, it is baked in that some bad things are going to happen.
So all these people are like, see, and then it happened to him, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't have the Second Amendment.
He actually was explaining something in a very deep way.
It's a very true thing to say that bad things are going to happen, right?
Versus the left, which is like, oh, okay, so what would be the easiest thing to say?
Well, take away the guns and then there will be no violence.
You peel it and then there's just not, there's either something very nasty there or just something that hasn't really been thought out.
Now listen to these two headlines.
We had to double check to even just confirm that they weren't AI written.
Like these are insane.
First one's from Reuters.
Charlie Kirk's rhetoric often involved anti-immigration and anti-LGBTQ remarks and his views often aligned with far-right elements of the Republican Party.
His rhetoric engendered strong feelings.
Well, it did engender strong feelings because he was talking about in things that were important to talk about anti-immigration.
He wasn't anti-immigration.
He was anti-illegal immigration.
And as for the LGBT stuff, again, this is where I think the L's and the G's and the B's, you better freaking separate from the Ts because these things have nothing to do with each other.
Did Charlie personally have a religious view of traditional marriage?
Was he actively campaigning to stop gays from getting married?
Not only no, he was welcoming.
There are many videos of it.
He was welcoming young gays into the turning point movement, into the wide tent America movement.
You're allowed to have your own personal beliefs about things.
And now, if you thought that one was bad, listen to this one from The Nation.
Charlie Kirk was an unrepentant racist, transphobe, homophobe, and misogynist who often wrapped his bigotry in Bible verses because there was no other way to pretend that it was morally correct.
I wonder where you people at the nation get your morals from.
They have 1.1 million followers, by the way, and I suspect that they're probably going to be in a bit of a legal kerfluffle after putting up something like that.
He had his views.
He defended those views.
It doesn't mean they were all right or anything else, but for them to put all of those meaningless buzzwords, do you guys still not get it?
So if someone else, could you put it back up, the Nation one?
So whoever picks up the mantle from Charlie or whoever largely believes in Charlie's ideology, that means you're racist, you're a transphobe, you're a homophobe, and you're a misogynist.
And you just, and the Bible is just your excuse for all of those things.
Like, do you see why, you know, when Donald Trump said they're really coming for you, I'm just standing in the way.
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Okay, here is a super cut of Democrats labeling Trump a fascist.
And just remember, I know you guys don't believe this, but imagine you were one of these young people who's at a school and your teachers are telling you all of these things and you're getting that message from mainstream media and everything else.
And it's over and over again.
The world's coming to an end because of climate change.
Donald Trump's a fascist.
Systemic racism is here.
Now they've also got you confused about whether your genitals match your gender, all of these things.
And then you can just sort of see the stew that leads to something like this.
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Take a look.
Let me ask you tonight.
Do you think Donald Trump is a fascist?
Yes, I do.
This is what kicking the shit out of fascism looks like.
The former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Mark Milley, said, no one has ever been more dangerous to this country than Donald Trump, and he is a fascist to his core.
Man, I mean, that man could be vice president right now.
Do you realize how insane, how close to the edge of the abyss that we actually got?
Now, there you have mainstream media people, you have politicians.
We know that there was a huge, well, more on this in a second, but a huge amount of this is being sparked online where they say the worst of all things about Charlie and Ben and me and Bill Maher.
Like, you're never liberal enough for the libs, right?
You're never left enough for these people.
But again, what if you were being hit with that information all the time?
What would you do?
I also want to make a point about, you know, I call a lot of these people socialists all the time.
They are socialists.
Remember years ago, they were Democrats, socialists, and I kept saying, well, one day they'll just drop the Democrat part.
And they have now, right?
Mom Dani is a socialist.
Bernie Sanders doesn't have a problem saying that he's a socialist.
And they'll veer into, they'll fully say they're communists and Marxists now, too.
There's a fundamental difference when we're saying, oh, these people are socialists, right?
Like it is what it is and they acknowledge it versus these people are Nazis when they don't identify as Nazis and don't behave like Nazis.
So again, there is no symmetry between the way the two sides behave.
Now, we're going to show you another compilation in just a second, but I want to start with this, because this is a video from, I think about two years ago.
They were out there, neo-Nazis were in the front of turn out there in front of the conference with anti-Semitic slurs and the Nazi swastika and a picture of a so-called Jewish person with exaggerated features, just like Joy, Joy.
The implication is that they showed up and she muddled her words as she said it.
The implication being that, oh, neo-Nazis showed up to a turning point event.
Except they weren't allowed in.
They were not brought on stage as speakers.
Were there people with swastikas and bad caricatures of people and who probably have all sorts of odious views outside protesting?
This is the irony.
They were protesting Charlie and they were protesting Turning Point because he was not allowing them in the movement.
A few years ago, when I was still doing events for Turning Point, I just haven't over the last couple of years because life changed.
I got busy and I just don't travel as much as I used to for these one-off gigs.
But when I was doing a lot of the college events for Turning Point, there was a period where the neo-Nazi contingent, they were sending people to our Turning Point events.
I would always do the same thing Charlie did, which was you invite them to argue with me first, which once you do that, most of them kind of just scour into the shadows.
But the point is they were not part of Turning Point.
They were going to Turning Point events to attack Turning Point.
Joyless.
Here's a compilation of mainstream media labeling MAGA as Nazis.
That one's from, what, three weeks ago or something, where he was hoping, you doom scroll that, oh, we thought Trump was dead for a minute and he will be dead soon enough.
This is a man who was almost assassinated about a year and a half ago.
Like it's absolutely deranged.
Now, here is a supercut of Pelosi, AOC, Schumer, and Biden being total hypocrites and claiming that it is the right who pushes violence.
People don't have any intention of saying something that's going to lead to something dangerous, but we cannot take responsibility for the minds that are out there and how they hear it.
Right-wing incitement of violence against trans Americans in this country because they cannot let go of this obsession with fixating violence and inciting violence against trans and LGBT people, in addition to immigrants, in addition to women of color.
What the left has done to demonize all of us is way, way worse.
So on Friday, I was on Piers Morgan's show.
It was an hour-long tribute to Charlie.
And when I agreed to do it, I'm not that interested in doing Piers' show that much anymore because I find it just turns into a shout fest.
But when they asked me to do it for Charlie, I agreed to do it.
And then I saw that my old boss, Jank of the Young Turks, was going to be on.
And I was ready to bring receipts.
You know, I always tell you guys, I like when people bring receipts, when Ted Cruz goes on the view and pulls out a paper and explains why they're a bunch of liars, when people actually read their own words back to them.
So we started doing the show and Jank was being all kumbaya and oh my God and Trump's not Hitler and all of these things and Charlie wasn't Hitler and everything.
So I was ready because it is nice.
I don't know what's in this guy's heart.
I don't think a lot of good stuff, but it is nice for people to take that moment and have a little contrition and everything.
But you have to kind of admit perhaps that you were part of the problem.
So to get up there and say, well, now we all want peace.
And oh my God, this is such a tragedy.
I just read some of his own video titles back to him and it went basically as well as you would expect.
Seems to me that everyone agrees that Donald Trump is not Hitler and his supporters are not Nazis.
So with that in mind, I'd like to read some other headlines.
These are video titles from Jenks' channel.
And in the spirit of reconciliation, maybe he wants to delete these things.
Trump cuts anti-Nazi program.
Trump spreading Nazi propaganda.
Nazis encouraged by Trump's Charlotteville response.
Trump defends Nazis, very fine people.
That is the biggest hoax political hoax ever.
Trump retweets a neo-Nazi again.
Trump disappoints neo-Nazi supporters.
So these things don't come out of nowhere.
I only blame one person at the end of the day for these murders, which is the crazy person who does the murders.
But pretending that what is wildly asymmetrical, I think I have laid that out with evidence here.
Pretending that it's symmetrical is deeply, deeply dangerous.
Okay, so if you want to watch the full segment, you can watch on our channel.
He ends up screaming at me to shut up.
He calls me a monster, claims that I want to get him killed, even though literally all I did was just read his own titles back to him.
Joseph's pointing out right now that the Young Turks have not removed any of those videos or changed the titles.
Now, here's another piece that I pointed out on that show, which is that in 2018, Charlie was out at breakfast in Philadelphia and he got accosted by a bunch of Antifa people.
This was Jenks' response to that, which is quite chilling in light of what's happened now.
It allows for easy martyrdom for these guys, and they don't deserve it.
But I do also want to point out, as they're in the middle of crying now, although Charlie was smiling ear to ear throughout the entire video, thinking, yes, I'm now the victim, and I'll get to claim that my rights have been abridged.
Donald Trump said there were very good people on the Nazi side in Charlottesville when they said the Jews will not replace us.
And Donald Trump used a Hitler quote about poisoning the blood of our nation.
So is it right to support a candidate that supports Nazis?
First off, I just want to say, you know, for seven or something years after I left the Young Turks, even though they've done dozens of videos about me, you guys know I never was doing videos about this guy.
Hopefully this is the last time I ever have to do it again.
But not only does he have the videos up there calling where it's all Trump's Hitler, blah, blah, blah.
And then I also read him 10 headlines of what he said about Charlie.
But then the idea that Trump, that Charlie wanted to be a martyr, that's what he said.
It's easy martyrdom.
And then Charlie could be the victim.
Well, martyrdom is when you're killed for your political beliefs.
And do you think Charlie wanted to die?
I mean, that's what you're saying.
And then you just create this caricature of these people.
And then someone goes out and does your dirty work.
And that is deeply disturbing.
And also the fact that he's still, even in the Piers video from a couple of days ago, still pushing the very fine people hoax, all of the Nazi titles and all that.
Now I want to get this to, okay, but you could say, okay, fine.
Everyone's allowed their opinion about people, right?
You can just say all these bad things about people and whatever.
Okay, that maybe, maybe, maybe some of maybe that's true to some extent.
What you cannot do in the United States is call directly for violence to a person or a group of people.
However, Jenks' nephew, this guy, Hassan Piker, who is the number one streamer on Twitch, who is a craz, I would say a crazed socialist, lefty, communist, Marxist, whatever you want to call him.
Those are his political beliefs.
I don't think he would argue.
Is he a socialist or a Marxist or a communist?
Yeah, those are the things he believes in.
He, and again, the biggest streamer on Twitch, this guy has an insane amount of young people watching him.
Here he is, and this is a violation of the First Amendment of the United States.
And he's doing it on Twitch, the number one streamer, calling on his viewers to kill right-wingers.
You know, when I worked at the Young Turks, he was harassing all of the girls there that work there.
And their response to that was that instead of getting rid of him or punishing him in any way, they just had him work from home, which most people apparently want to work from home post-COVID.
He's an absolutely disgusting human being.
I don't believe that anyone should harm him or anything else.
I don't want anyone to gut him.
I don't want to see his guts on the street, and I don't want his blood rushing all over the place.
But he is the number one streamer on Twitch.
So if you have a kid that is on Twitch, you think they're on there just playing video games or watching video games or whatever the high hells.
I've never even been on Twitch.
I don't even know exactly what's going on there.
But video games are ain't what they used to be.
I can promise you that much.
You might want to think about that.
Why is your kid on Twitch?
And I would say for lawyers out there, you might want to look into that because someone like him, who is so influential amongst this now hyper-radicalized base of Marxist, gender, queer, progressive people, well, one of their number one thought leaders is literally kill these people, murder them, blood in the streets.
It's illegal and it certainly should be against, well, certainly is against Twitch's terms of service, but they are letting him on here.
And by the way, if you don't think it is dangerous, someone like him, well, look at this picture.
There he is with, you know, just a couple days ago, the new mayor of New York City's best friend.
This is going to be great.
So Mom Dami is out there with him.
So might I offer a, if there are any journalists out there, still, there's got to be somebody somewhere, might I offer a suggestion if you want to go viral?
How about today when Momdami does whatever press conference he's doing or whatever fake little LARPing thing that he's up to with his lo-fi music and his soft lens, how about you ask him, do you condemn totally and will you disassociate from Hassan Piker, who is on camera as the number one streamer on Twitch, publicly calling for the murder of people who believe in capitalism.
We just showed you the video right there.
Again, these things are not symmetrical.
I know nobody's going to do it.
The other thing they could always ask is if you are such a great ally to the gays, does the mosque that you go to perform gay weddings?
And if not, why are you part of such a bigoted organization?
You can do that one too.
I'm just offering people things to go viral if you want to get out there.
But this is a huge problem right now because this is not what's happening on the right.
It doesn't mean that there aren't any bad apples.
I've been talking about the fighting on the right.
And Charlie, by the way, over the last six months or so was one of the bulwarks of some of the craziness on the right.
You know, you might argue it was a stunt, but I thought it was really nice.
Look at this from Eric Daughtry.
Just in.
Senator Ted Cruz personally removes graffiti on the side of a highway that said, fuck Charlie Kirk, declares Texans don't have to look at this hateful garbage anymore.
You know, look, I know Cruz doing it himself might come off as a little bit of a stunt.
I know Senator Cruz quite well.
He's a good human being.
And I think actually him doing it, in some cases, it isn't a stunt.
It's like, you know what?
I will go out there and do it.
I know someone else can do it.
I know there's a staff member or an employee of the city or somebody can go out there and do it, but I will go do it.
I will show that I am part of this.
And I think that is the spirit of cleaning this horrible situation up in this case, quite literally.
That's the spirit that has to motivate us right now.
Here's Tulsi Gabbard, who again wasn't even, I don't even know that she's a Republican right now.
I know she's not a Democrat, but this is somebody that four or five years ago had wildly opposing views to Charlie Kirk, wildly opposing views.
But here she is at the Kennedy Center last night.
There was a prayer vigil and a service.
It was jam-packed talking about Charlie and his mission and what motivated him.
Now, again, this is someone who still to this moment right now, I have no doubt had different political views than Charlie.
Let's say on abortion would be an easy one.
They definitely would not agree completely.
But note, I watched the full thing that she, the full speech, she didn't have to go up there and say, you know, I had different opinions about Charlie, but he shouldn't be killed, because that's all baked in.
That's all baked into what America is, that we are going to be different and think different things and have different beliefs and everything else.
But to the backdrop of those two beautiful flags behind Tulsi, what's the thing that brings us all together?
It's respect for this country, for your neighbors.
And we are ready to throw it away because, as we've illustrated here, whether it is the former man who wanted to be vice president basically celebrating the fact that Donald Trump might have died at one weekend, or Kamala calling him a fascist, or all of the horrible things they said about Charlie, or a Twitch streamer who's literally calling for people to be murdered, or the host of what was once a huge online show on the left.
Thankfully, it's not as successful anymore.
The Young Turks relentlessly calling everyone a Nazi.
You create the conditions for horrible things to happen.
Again, I only blame the person who pulled the trigger.
But perhaps before you all say kumbaya, you might want a little mea cobla.
Boy, I had a little something to do with some of this.
And what was Charlie really about?
What Charlie really was about was going into places where it wasn't that comfortable to talk to people who he knew disagreed with him and tell him what he told them what he believed.
Here he went on the whatever podcast.
I've been on this podcast.
It's basically one guy who brings in a bunch of girls that are all like ham girls and e-girls and porn actresses and everything else.
And he sort of just like berates them.
I actually didn't love being on the show that much.
It felt kind of thin to me.
But here's Charlie going on that show.
He's surrounded by, I don't know, it's usually a huge table, about eight girls who are, again, one layer or another in porn business.
And here he is talking about perhaps what he thinks might be a better alternative for them.
Thank you guys for a respectful conversation, even though we see things very differently.
And if you're engaged in the creation of that content, I think God has a better plan for you.
I know that might sound preachy and not what you want to hear, but maybe you'll have an encounter with God and Jesus loves all of you and he can transform your life.
He transformed my life.
And every day is a new day and it's a hopeful, beautiful life ahead of you.
And God loves every single one of us.
We're all sinners and Jesus died for us.
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I mean, you've definitely been the most respectful one that I've seen.
Notice he didn't say you're all horrible and you're a bunch of whores and you should be jailed or I don't like you because of your sexuality or your line of work or anything else.
He said we had a different, we had a conversation with difference of opinions and maybe there'll be a force that will move you differently.
He didn't say this should be illegal or any like he was really trying his best to show people something that he thought was right without having to force them to do that.
And what that did and why I think the country is so fundamentally different over the last four days is he then woke up young people to at least think about things a little bit differently.
So you have all radical teachers and all of the things that you're doing online all day that are giving you one thing, one very hysterical thing all the time.
And Charlie just tried it another way, a more thoughtful way, and that actually brought young people over there.
And that's actually incredible.
And here's RFK Jr. talking about how Charlie affected his 17-year-old niece.
Now that's Bobby Kennedy, a man who a year and a half ago was running as a Democrat, a man who I brought on the show the first time, and we argued about affirmative action, someone that's absolutely pro-choice, who probably disagree.
I'm guessing he's pro, or he's against the death penalty.
I mean he and Charlie one without question had huge political divides, just like Bobby Kennedy has with Donald Trump, but they are coming together under the banner of America and that's why he can stand up there and be proud to say that his daughter or his that his niece, 17-year-old niece, was affected by this man.
And whether the 17-year-old niece, I think what Bobby would say, I don't want to put words in his mouth exactly, but I think what he would say is if my 17-year-old niece grows up to think the things that Charlie believed, even if they're different than the things I believed, that would be pretty good.
I thought this was pretty great as we're getting to the close here.
This is pretty heartwarming.
This is a 14-year-old by the name of Bryson Levy.
And here he is talking about how Charlie Kirk was his idol.
All right, first off, Bryson, when you're out of high school, you want an internship, you got it.
That's number one.
Number two, that's the spirit, right?
That's the spirit that Charlie, that's it's not even just the spirit, it's the opportunity he gave for young people to think for themselves.
All of these kids who had been brainwashed by all of this backward stuff.
And then Charlie was like, you want to think about this a little bit differently?
Now, again, Charlie did it from his own unique religious perspective, but he didn't demand that everyone convert or be exactly like him in sort of the spiritual sense.
He was saying, this is what works for me, and this is how it fits with America.
And because it was so unique, a little sanity was so unique in a time of craziness.
You've got 14-year-olds right there.
I thought Charlie was a racist, right?
There's all those headlines on the Young Turks channel right now about what a racist Donald Trump and Charlie Kirk are.
And there you have a young 14-year-old who's pretty freaking spectacular saying that he was his hero.
And I thought Ben on his show had, well, I thought he said this quite well about what I think he's talking about his own responsibility, but he's really talking about all of us.
So will we all, I am sure, because we're Americans and we're not going to be deterred.
Charlie's voice is not silent.
We're going to pick up that bloodstained microphone where Charlie left it.
And to those who would intimidate, who would seek to stop us, who would seek to end free discussion, who believe that they have ownership over public spaces and can violently threaten and kill people who speak freely, we are not going to stop.
You know, for years, probably literally 10 years, Ben and I have had a running joke that one day I was going to be able to get him to curse on camera.
Well, he did it, I think, in probably the most perfect moment that he could have ever done that.
So I want to connect this as we get to the close here.
I want to connect this to the top where we had Ben and Bill Maher talking about what has happened here and the false cries of racism and everyone's Hitler and everything else.
Here they got into a slight disagreement, will not surprise you, as Ben Shapiro obviously is an Orthodox Jew.
Bill Maher is an atheist.
They started talking about where people get their values.
Okay, so Ben even doing it with a sense of humor right there.
Like, first off, okay, so a lot here.
Bill, I think, is slightly confused about what Christian societies are.
You know, what's his name?
Richard Dawkins, who's one of the most well-known atheists on the planet.
He even, over the last couple of years, has come around and said, boy, he's lucky that he lives in a Christian society.
It does not mean you have to be Christian.
It does not mean you have to fully believe in all the tenets of Christianity.
But yes, Bill, a guy with a yarmulke, unless they want to live in Israel, which is the most hated place by all the crazy lunatics, they want to live in a Christian society.
That's where you will find freedom.
That's where minorities and individual rights will be respected and all of those things.
So it's kind of funny.
You have the, I'm not even sure who the other guest was, but there he was, basically like, I'll convert Ben.
And Ben's like, yeah, good luck with that.
And then you have the atheist, I think, being slightly confused about why a Jew would want to live in a Christian society.
And I think having, so it's kind of funny because Charlie, Charlie loved to defend, well, not only did Charlie defend Israel and Judaism and Judeo-Christian values as a Christian, but now you have Ben, an Orthodox Jew, defending Christianity.
And what is the common point, whichever side of that debate you might be on religiously?
It's freedom in America and individual rights.
And that's the thing that we have to wrap ourselves around.
So I thought this was quite beautiful.
My father-in-law, who still lives in New York City, although hopefully not much longer, he went to Roosevelt Island over the weekend and he sent me this picture.
And I thought it was quite perfect.
This is an engraving on a statue in Roosevelt Island, obviously from Franklin Roosevelt.
In the future days, which we seek to make secure, we look forward to a world founded upon four essential human freedoms.
The first is freedom of speech and expression everywhere in the world.
The second is freedom of every person to worship God in his own way everywhere in the world.
The third is freedom from want everywhere in the world.
The fourth is freedom from fear anywhere in the world.
That is no vision of a distant millennium.
It is a definite basis for a kind of world attainable in our own time and generation.
Franklin D. Roosevelt, January 6th, 1941.
And you know what, guys?
I don't know that we can do it all over the world.
And I know there's an awful lot of countries run by a lot of theocratic maniacs who don't want it for us or their own people.
But in the United States of America, we can protect free speech.
In the United States of America, we can allow you to worship as you wish.
We can do the best we can to make you free from fear and want.
That's what we can and have done here.
And that's why this, and that's why the Jew and the Christian in this case can come together and say, this is the damn best place for both of us.
I've flown in Air Force One, got to know a president.
I have an amazing family, the podcast, turning point USA, all that stuff.
And so you experience that and you're like, what actually matters?
What matters is your relationship with the divine, your relationship with your family, your kids, and maybe a close collection of friends, and your relationship with the truth.
And that's the guy that every time they say, oh, he shouldn't have been killed, a certain set of people have to say, but I didn't have to, I didn't agree with everything he said, but he shouldn't be killed.
It's like, what actually was the most controversial thing he said?
Was he going to force you by sword to convert to Christianity?
Was he going to make it so that black people and white people would have different laws to live by?
Or anything else?
And you all know the actual answer to that.
So they feared him because he told the truth.
I will continue my best to do it.
We've got a post-game show in 30 seconds, RubinReport.locals.com.
Oh, and I also should remember this mentioned this is a very fine minor footnote.
But we were going to relaunch Copal today.
It is back in stock in the United States at the warehouse, ready to go.
A lot of you have been asking.
We thought that relaunching it today just felt too soon and raw and everything else.
So we're going to wait one week from today.
It will be available.
Again, that's a total sidebar, which is way less important than any of this.
I thank you guys for watching.
Hopefully over the course of the next week and everything else, we can get back to some of the funnier stuff and all that.
But I know you're all feeling what I feel, and it's important to do it this way.