June 22, 2025 - Rubin Report - Dave Rubin
06:09
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| Okay, Ernst Rokes, the author of Kill Labor, which I think is somehow the number one song in South Africa right now. | ||
| This is a topic we've been discussing a lot on my show lately. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| It's great to be here. | ||
| It's good to have you. | ||
| Talk to me a little bit about what's going on in your country. | ||
| It's something that we're obviously talking about a lot in America. | ||
| As you know, I had Rob Herzob on the show recently, and there is a real conversation about what's happening in South Africa and actually how it relates to some of the wokeism and hyper-racialization that we now have on our shores. | ||
| Yeah, well, we're very grateful about the fact that the world is starting to take note and also for what you've been doing to talk about South Africa. | ||
| I was just telling someone back in 2012 was the first time I... | ||
| And I'm very happy that now it's gotten to the point where, especially through people like you and other podcasts and people like President Trump, of course. | ||
| We're now at the point where you cannot ignore it. | ||
| But it is really bad. | ||
| And recently, polarisation has worsened, especially with this continued chanting of kill the poor, kill the farmer, with the South African government now just recently signing a new law to empower the state to confiscate private property without compensation, and then denying that they are doing it. | ||
| So they go to America and they deny doing it, and then they go to South Africa and they say, we will not stop doing this. | ||
| And so we have the farm attacks, we have the switch to property rights, we have the hate speech. | ||
| And then an overarching problem in South Africa is just government collapse. | ||
| We have a very serious problem with the government not able to fulfill its most basic duties. | ||
| Right, so separate from some of the terrible things that you just mentioned, and there are, I think it's 141 race-based anti-white laws in your country, but separate from all that, you seem to also have a complete government incompetence problem that I was discussing with Rob, as it pertains to building infrastructure and proper policing and all of these things. | ||
| But I'm guessing those things kind of go hand in hand. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So the ANC, that's the ruling party in South Africa, they still say we're not a political party, we're a liberation movement, and we are committed to revolution. | ||
| So their ideology only knows one thing, which is destruction. | ||
| So there's something that is an enemy that is identified as the enemy or the work of the enemy, and we need to destroy that. | ||
| And the assumption is once we are finished with the destruction, then somehow... | ||
| I mean, it's what's happening with our progressives in the United States. | ||
| It's the same thing. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And it's interesting, you could say, the overlap between what's happening in South Africa and what's happening in the States, because a lot of the ideology, this critical race theory ideology, has come to South Africa, and now these leftists in South Africa are using people like Robin DiAngelo and all these Americans who are so much on the left. | ||
| trying to implement their ideas in South Africa and a lot of what's happening in South Africa like the targeting of the statues burning down of heritage sites and so forth has sort of spread to America So when you saw your president come to the Olo office and Donald Trump puts the TV right in front of him and plays the videos and then quite literally pulls out the paper and starts reading the headlines. | ||
| This must have been quite a relief. | ||
| Were you amazed? | ||
| Were you saying, my God, it's finally a moment, it's finally here? | ||
| I think it's both. | ||
| A lot of people are really grateful for the fact that no one can ignore this anymore because of the fact that it was played in the White House during a press conference. | ||
| But what surprised me, or I guess I shouldn't have been surprised, but what is astonishing is just how unprepared the South African delegation was for that meeting. | ||
| They came in and they were completely shocked when this footage was shown. | ||
| They didn't know how to respond. | ||
| Even the president beforehand, these big smiles, it was as if he had no idea what was about to happen. | ||
| And I guess that is the truth. | ||
| And he made a joke. | ||
| He said, if I had a plane to give you, I would give you a plane. | ||
| And it's really crazy. | ||
| And then he denies it during the meeting. | ||
| He says, no, no, this is not our policy. | ||
| And then he goes back home to South Africa and he says that there's nothing wrong with chanting Kiel de Boer, our courts will protect you if you chant it, and we're going to expropriate private property. | ||
| So he goes to the White House, he denies it. | ||
| And then he flies back to South Africa and he acknowledges that this is their program. | ||
| So what do you want to happen right now? | ||
| So people are focusing on South Africa in a different way. | ||
| What do you want to happen? | ||
| I mean, I assume you believe the change has to come from within your country. | ||
| You don't want it coming from without, even though the PR campaign is probably helpful. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So what needs to happen is we need to rethink the political system in South Africa. | ||
| I think it's important to understand that the crises that we are talking about are symptoms of a deeper-rooted problem. | ||
| And South Africa is much more diverse than Europe. | ||
| It's almost as big as Europe. | ||
| It's very big, it's very diverse, but we have this very strong, in quotation marks, central government trying to rule over everyone with a, and they call it themselves, a race, nationalist, socialist project. | ||
| That's how they define their own ideology. | ||
| And so the only sustainable solution could be to rethink the political system, to decentralize the political system, and to give the various communities that are in South Africa That's the only way forward for the peoples of South Africa. | ||
| And are you hopeful at this moment? | ||
| We are hopeful. | ||
| We're optimistic. | ||
| We are used to difficult times in South Africa. | ||
| And as the Afrikaner people, we've had many existential crises over the years and over the decades, and this is one. | ||
| But we've overcome some in the past as well. | ||
| So we are hopeful. | ||
| We remain hopeful. | ||
| And you'll be taking your message to America in July. | ||
| So hopefully we'll do this in a more long-form situation. | ||
| I'd like to speak with you about that in July. |
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