Arynne Wexler, a former Goldman Sachs executive and creator of Non-LibTake, argues that women's liberalism stems from prioritizing feelings over facts, citing visceral fears rather than data as election drivers. She critiques the right for lowering standards by embracing figures like Tucker Carlson and Kanye West while warning against relying solely on Trump's popularity. Despite criticizing liberal media rigging and gender role erosion, Wexler concludes this is a "golden age" where conservatives are finally reclaiming cultural dominance through humor and authenticity. [Automatically generated summary]
I'm holding my glasses in my hands, which means I'm going to ask you very serious questions this entire time doing this and then saying, so who is Aaron Wexler?
What's going on here?
For most people that are watching this, they've probably seen you on this show before, but for somebody that has no idea...
But I run the Instagram account, non-libtake, although...
I'm talking with people about maybe changing the handle because I'm not a marketing expert, but I really have approached politics this last year.
I was in tech up until a year ago, wanted to come with a different angle of being a more city conservative, not necessarily the part of the movement that I love, which is Nashville, cowboy boots, country music.
That is a part of our culture, but also meeting people in this more urban culture of you could live in a condo and go to Casa Cipriani.
And be normal and have common sense and still vote for Trump and wear your MAGA hat in New York City.
And I use humor a lot.
I like to say I'm funny for a woman, even though the bar for that is exceedingly low.
Before you got into this crazy world of politics, you were in tech, you were in finance, you have a pretty good pedigree of real things before you got into the wacky world of politics.
All my friends joke that I moved from New York to Miami and became an influencer because that's the classic path now.
But this was the harder path.
And this was the path that I decided a year ago was important because people forget now that Trump's in office, everything's going so well.
It feels like it was predestined, and in many ways it was.
But a year ago, it didn't feel that way.
A year ago, it felt very tenuous.
Biden was still the nominee.
And I was sitting in my tech job at a great company with great people.
And I thought, am I really going to sit here, like, typing away, doing...
Not important.
It's fun.
It's interesting, but it's not important stuff.
Or am I going to try to change the culture and show people that you can be conservative and also take people who are already conservative and make them more courageous and show them it's okay to say these things.
So I'm the person that says the thing that even a conservative is usually afraid to say.
And I was very thankful to you that last week you actually covered some of my quotes from New York Magazine.
And it was all kinds of people who were there from all backgrounds.
But yeah, so that's how I got into this, is realizing that even though I listen to most of my podcasts that I listen to are white men, but a lot of people actually need someone that looks like them.
And I get this comment a lot that I look and talk the way someone who would vote for Kamala, the way a liberal would look, because I am from New York.
I did go to all these institutions that they all...
I aspire to be a part of.
I went to the Ivy League.
I worked at Goldman Sachs on the trading floor.
I was working in tech at these hot startups.
So they also can't call me stupid on the left because I might be retarded, but I'm not stupid.
So how did you not, we've discussed some of this stuff privately, and we were friends outside of this, so you said to me right before we started, it's kind of funny, because then we sit down, and then, you know, the camera's on, and it alters everything by 5%, and also we're going to talk about some things that I actually do know about you, but have to ask you anyway.
But how did you not get infected by that thing?
I mean, you're, can I say your age?
You could say 31. 31, right?
You're 31, so your prime age to have been You know, really hit by all of that woke crap, even though it was a little bit before we called it woke and everything.
I always say that I was always conservative because I always had a brain.
But I grew up in a house, and I noticed on Bill Maher, he asked Matt Gaetz recently, he asked a lot of conservatives, and you've been on his show, and he always asks the conservatives on his show.
Well, are your parents conservative?
And it's because we're this anthropological enigma to the left where they can't possibly imagine that we just thought this way on our own, right?
It had to come as like a legacy from our family that infected us.
No one ever asks anyone on the left.
If their parents were liberal, then my parents were conservative.
Yeah, they're boomers, so I can't ask them to do that.
But they just let me come to my own conclusions, and they would also—it was kind of like the Kennedys, where our dinner table was always, you know, like, great debate, where we would just take the other side to have it be very lively.
And if I ever made a comment, I remember being 10 years old and saying something that I read in the newspaper, and my mom said, well, back it up.
What do you mean by that?
Back it up.
And they did that because I think they knew that I would logically come to the conclusion.
That the right was right.
And so they let me go through that journey on my own instead of force-feeding me liberal propaganda.
And so since I was sentient, I remember just thinking this was common sense.
No, it is tough, but I... I realized before cancel culture was, it was called cancel culture and what it really morphed into, which is people losing their jobs and their lives being ruined.
And I realized back when I was in middle school, like actual middle school, where I was dealing with really intense history teachers I went to.
One of the top prep schools in the country in New York City called Horace Mann.
And most of our professors were PhDs from Harvard, things like that.
And I remember having this one professor in particular who was so liberal that I just had to go in and know every last fact about what we were talking about.
And I also realized that if I was just open about being conservative, there was no gotcha moment because I was just already openly conservative.
And so it was just kind of, it was almost, it was always a joke.
It was always like, Aaron's the conservative.
She's the crazy conservative one.
But they also actually respected me for it because I always knew what I was talking about.
And from then on, people would always come up to me.
I was like the Underground Railroad of Conservatives of Horace Mann where people would come up to me and whisper in the bathroom, like, I'm actually conservative too.
And that's when I started to realize that people were aligned and they were just afraid to say it.
I just, God wired my brain this way.
It was always easier to just say what I believed than to pretend something else.
When did you realize that the sort of New York City conservative needed to meet?
The kind of Nashville conservative.
Because I do think that's an interesting part of this.
For a lot of the, let's say, disaffected lib, the RFK, Tulsi types, even the way I was years ago, there's this thing like, oh, if you start hanging out with the conservatives, next thing you know, you're at the rodeo.
Not that there's anything wrong with the rodeo, but it's like a leap too far for some of these people, at least overnight.
And I think you sort of grasp like, oh, you can still be in these different divergent places and kind of all come together in some sense.
Yeah, I mean, it's funny, because I float between all these different worlds, so I have friends who, you know, like, I've gone hunting in Alabama, and we didn't get anything, but that's a whole other story.
We'll go again, but, and I've been to the rodeo now, now that I'm in this space with friends like that.
I want to go to, like, a real, like, I love going out west, but, you know, I've always liked bluegrass, not country.
Like, sorry, some people might dislike me over that, but...
But I just think, I think it's okay.
I want to show people that you can have these ideas and you don't have to meet us in what we're calling maybe like our culture, like our culture on the right, because I think that makes a lot of people think who would otherwise share, you know, the majority of their views would overlap with.
The conservative movement, the MAGA movement, whatever you want to call it, they think, well, I don't, like, I want to live in a city, and I don't want to live, you know, am I allowed to curse on this show?
And I had a series of people just at the right time last year say, you should just start posting videos.
And even though there are people, we've talked about this, these neo-Nazis that are coming after me who think I'm only doing this post-October 7th as some Mossad agent, I actually started doing this end of June, early July of 2024, and I dipped my toe in on TikTok.
had 20,000 views.
And I thought, you know, in a world where we're dealing with like China numbers and I don't believe anything, it's like when their GDP comes out, I'm like, they were kind of like, oh, what do we want people to feel about our GDP this time?
You know, it's not like not real numbers, but in a world where everyone's living in that fake scenario, like I was getting 20k views and then 50k views, three weeks in, go viral.
Another couple weeks in, go viral again.
Our friend Ben Shapiro is reacting to my videos.
So it just started like, you know, like just like, it went really, really fast.
And then I got put in TikTok prison too many times.
What do you think has happened to so many of the 31-year-old girls who don't think the way you do?
I'll ask you about the guys separately, but I think there's something, because I think they're very different and specific things, what's happening to the girls and what's happening to the guys.
But I've always been interested in very different things.
I was argumentative and liked politics.
So that's all to say that I don't think I speak for most women in the way they think, but I'm on the outside looking in and seeing my girlfriends who think this way.
And I do think, generally, women are more...
Intuitive and emotional and easily swayed by things.
And I think we also all grew up—a study needs to be done here, an anthropological type or behavioral econ study on the effects of the daughters of women who— We're working and going to college through that wave of feminism, because I think a lot about the way I was raised, and the focus from our mothers was that, you know, they were supposed to be the girl bosses, but they actually were the ones that wound up having kids and working from home, because they were the ones with the children.
So a lot of them, Ivy League educated, decided to, or wherever, across the country, these women were told they were supposed to have it all, realized they couldn't.
Had these daughters, and then they placed that pressure on us of, now, no, you're actually going to be the one that has it all.
And so, and the left has been very effective generally at taking over culture, and that's also why I think humor is so important, because we had decades of a chokehold on our culture from late night TV and just these ideas of...
Poo-pooing what it means to be a mom.
I think we've gone too extreme.
Now people are saying you should only want to be home with your kids.
For the people who want to do that, that is wonderful.
It is the hardest job in the world.
It is the most important job in the world.
But not every woman wants to be told, you should want to sit at home with your kids doing nothing else.
Not a job that pays you, but even just having something else that takes your time, whether it's helping with charity, organizing something, whatever that is.
And so I think now we're kind of just reverting back to the mean a little bit, but there's still a lot of women who at this point are, if you're 31 years old and you're not 21, because I think the 21-year-olds are actually seeing this and taking a different path than millennials are, but the Gen Z group at this point is cognitive dissonance, because you have to live with yourself to know that you've...
Been single, or lived with guys, and then it didn't work out, or dated the wrong person.
You know, like, there's all this that you have to reconcile and be happy with, and it's very hard to live with yourself realizing that you made choices that you don't like.
So do you see this as, like, you know, like, there's, like, the hysterical female comedian version of this, like the Chelsea Handler, Sarah Silverman, sort of childless, entering 50s Kathy Griffin, like...
They did it a certain way and now they're just kind of like angry at the world.
I think what's maybe more dangerous, like the sleeper cell female, is the white liberal woman who does have a kid, who is married maybe, but she doesn't, like she doesn't, she doesn't want to be a mom or being a mom isn't championed and she wants to, She'd rather be sitting at her mid-level email job somewhere, you know, instead of being at home more.
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And, you know, like a lot of times I see— Or transing her kid maybe to get the intrinsic value or something.
There's just a certain amount of men that they've been cucked, as you said, because at the end of the day, they don't want to be bludgeoned with all this stuff, so they just kind of shut up because they would like a once-a-week blowjob.
Yeah, and I mean, a lot of people talking about, like, Pete Hegseth coming in and saying, oh, he doesn't necessarily know how to lead the Pentagon.
Yeah.
I think it's great that we have someone who's just an extremely attractive, masculine, like, alpha male who will inspire similar men to join our military.
I actually think that image, like, him on TV... In charge of our military?
But I think we are, not just that, but there's this androgynous form that we need to get rid of.
The left has tried to make, like, women's hair has gotten shorter, men's hair has gotten longer.
We're turning into the, and I've said this on your program before, but we're turning into this androgynous, fat-nippled, pixie haircut freak form of a human.
But how do I really feel about it?
That's not normal either, because we need the masculine and feminine to balance each other in the world.
In a way, we're too feminine.
We've lived in this gynocracy almost, right?
The left is always crying about, smash the patriarchy.
We live in a matriarchy right now.
Women have the world by the balls, and they have had it for 20-plus years, and now we're finally just...
Rebalancing.
And we also need to, I don't know, unandrogynize the world and let people go back into their natural state.
She has, like, the weird chopped haircut and a nose ring, and you could just tell.
I might recognize her if she were 200 pounds lighter, but it's a classic leftist, and she said something of, you know, I went to high school with this girl, and she shouldn't be platformed, but generally, no, it's been fine.
Do you worry that some of it feels cold sometimes?
I've seen this comment when you put things up, like, you're pretty, you...
Have a job, like, you wear makeup and look right, and then you're doing this stuff about the fat-nippled girls, and that it somehow is too mean, or do you feel like it's, like, you have to be directionally in that way to wake these people up?
But I have, like, there are a few layers to this, okay?
And I'm going to try to think through this because I did not read the questions in advance.
There are no questions in advance.
Yeah, there are no questions in advance.
But, okay, so first, I think that a lot of people...
You need a warm embrace to come to you.
Most people are not pressured or shamed into doing something, and so I think there needs to be the levity, which is why I try to use comedy, because I get a lot of people saying, I don't agree with you, but that was funny.
That is funny, and that's one way to get people.
I'm going to now contradict myself and say that I think we need to bring back healthy doses of bullying because we are dealing with multiple generations at this point of people who were never bullied.
When I was growing up, we were told, but it was starting to change where you could get in trouble for making fun of someone.
Kids would make fun of you at school.
And it kept people in check.
It kept these guardrails up of, this is what is actually normal, right?
And it stopped people from being total freaks.
And when someone was a freak, you could actually identify them and think, oh, they might shoot up the school because they're not fucking normal.
And that was actually a good way to figure out what was going on with people.
Everyone's normal, and everything is acceptable, except if you're a white Trump supporter, right?
So I think we do need to bully people a little bit, and I think it's important to show that we are now in that position of, we got the popular vote, act like it, act like we do dominate the culture.
Because the truth is, we're starting to, but we don't fully.
But you just need to act like we are there already, and people will follow suit.
The wokesters have completely lost momentum now and just seem utterly ridiculous.
I've said this on the show a couple of times, but when I was growing up, and I'm 31, geez, I have 17 years, which is crazy.
But when I was growing up in the 80s, I was exactly between cool and dork.
I was right in the middle.
And I remember one day in about seventh grade thinking I could work harder to be cooler.
And I was like, but I like video games.
At the end, I was just like, but I'm going to just play video games with my friends.
And I was like, I'm in it with the dorks.
So I was a high-level dork or a low-level cool guy, meaning I could be bullied by some people and bully some other people, but it kind of helped shape me.
It's funny because I, when it comes to most things in the space, I want to be out of the fray.
I'm not, there are some people, and you can imagine who I'm talking about who love picking fights with other people in the space.
And that's not what I'm interested in.
And especially when someone doesn't go after you, even I have people go after me personally and I don't even respond to that.
But it's really disappointing to see this trend.
And it's something that I noticed in general on the right that is not specific to Tucker.
We're so excited and we get so seduced on the right by celebrity, by people with large followings, that if someone has millions of followers, they're sort of automatically forgiven and welcomed.
And you see this all over the place with the kinds of celebrities we also had involved in the campaign, right?
Where we look past the domestic abuse charges and we look past these different things because they're doing a rally for Trump.
Part of it is we need to take what we can get, but then even after that moment, everyone gets excited, they want photos with them, they want to retweet them, whatever it is.
And I think we need to be really careful about that.
We need to maintain standards as a movement.
And it is really surprising to, you know, like Kanye.
Kanye's back on Twitter, or X, which I do agree with.
I don't think he should have been kicked off.
I think it's right to reinstall him, even though, of course, one of his first tweets is Shalom.
I don't know if he was reinstated before and then just decided to come back or what happened, but he's back on X, which, again, I agree with.
But the man shows up to the Grammys with his wife completely naked, and everyone on X is just sharing these images of a naked woman, and everyone's excited because it's Kanye.
But this is so against conservative values, and so whether it's...
And Tucker I decided to speak out on because it is more personal, because I do think he is stoking the flames of anti-Semitism.
But he's also saying things like, you know, that we were on the wrong side of World War II. He's saying things, or maybe not the wrong side, but that we were the bad guys.
We were bad guys in World War II. And everyone's just giving him a pass because they all want to be on his show and they all want him to like them.
And most people just want to be liked and have their tweets go viral.
And that, you know...
I just think that's cheap, and that's not why I'm in it.
I would sit down with him, but it wouldn't be, you know, oh, I love you, I'm a huge fan.
It would be, let's talk about all these things that you are bringing up that I disagree with, that I think are very dangerous to the movement and to America.
Tucker, to me, is part of this movement that's...
That's teetering on the edge of a cliff of because we figured out that some things and so many things that were called conspiracy theory turned out to be true, now everything is a conspiracy theory because the government was bad about some things.
Now the government was bad about everything.
And it's actually possible in this world that some things are bad and some things really were just the way they were.
And Tucker seems to have gone to that point where...
So he's basically throwing the baby out with the bathwater, has been my take on this.
I was watching him with Piers Morgan, and he basically said that Churchill wasn't the winner of World War II. Yeah, he didn't do enough to save Western civilization.
And he's like, look at your country now.
But it's like...
Dude, that was 80 years ago.
They had a pretty good run for 60-something years, and now they have problems because of immigration that have nothing to do with Winston Churchill.
The main reason is Tablet Magazine had a great series on this where they talked about the letters he wrote to his girlfriend at the time where he talked about fantasizing about men.
Well, it's interesting you're saying that because...
That's partly what I've been thinking with Tucker, too, which is that it's like, okay, you were at Fox for so long, you had certain guardrails, and you had to do things in very small segments.
And every time I ever spent time with him when I was independent and he was on Fox, he was so impressed.
He literally walked into my garage, not this one, but walked into my garage in Sherman Oaks, and I think his exact quote was, holy fucking shit, you did it, meaning you're free and I'm not.
You know what I mean?
A guy's making $20 million a year, and he's jealous of me.
But I think sort of what's happened is, He had certain guardrails, and you might say they were too tight.
It's sort of like the conspiracy thing you just mentioned.
And now he has none, so he's just, like, willing to just question everything to the point of oblivion, in essence.
It did not affect the broadcast, so we can continue.
I'm new at this.
I shouldn't do this for a living, apparently.
But we're seeing a lot of people learn history in real time and to sort of, I guess, move us along from this because it isn't meant to be.
None of us want to focus too much on this.
I loved when a few months ago everything was happening in South Korea and I posted, oh wow, I didn't realize I had so many South Korean experts in my network, you know, because we have people who never even studied history in college.
And again, you don't have to go to college.
You could do it on your own.
You could read books.
But most people are reading Wikipedia articles in South Korea and then jumping in because they see one person and they think that's true.
And honestly, it's a crazy example, but I look at El Salvador from the last few years, and it would be tougher for America for many reasons to mirror that change.
We don't have benevolent dictators.
We are a much larger country.
We're heterogeneous.
It's very different.
But their crime was so bad.
Now they're one of the safest places in the world.
And I looked at them before the election, before we knew that Trump would be president again, and I thought, you know what?
If they can turn it around, we can turn it around.
And everyone always thinks their situation is so dire.
And then you come back.
So I do think New York can come back.
And I think a lot of what's happened with the popular vote is that there's social proof.
People have social proof that it's okay to do...
And we're seeing all these corporations are not doing dumb DEI stuff anymore.
They're also getting rid of pronouns.
And they could have done that two months ago, and they chose not to.
But now they're suddenly...
Allowed to.
So I think New York can come back, but you're going to have to rewire a lot of brains there.
You think any of the people that were in on this, you're seeing it now every day, there's people just dropping he, him, her, her, it, Zezer, like all of that stuff.
Or you're right, like they're just like removing, they still have it on Apple TV, they still have, I opened up.
Or was it Max, I guess?
And it's now Black Month, so it's like black movies.
And I just can't even imagine wanting, yes, I'm so in the mood for a black movie or a white movie or a gay movie or anything else.
It's funny you say that, because I think of myself as very cynical and pessimistic in a way.
But I am always, I guess I'm hopeful.
I always prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
That's generally my motto.
It's probably the...
The Jew in me, like the centuries of intergenerational trauma that makes me feel like you should always be ready for whatever's going to come, but you still have to have that faith that it's always going to get better.
They give us a really bad name every— Show on Netflix that involves Jews is such a misrepresentation of Jews, and it's something that people on the right who are far-right, who are anti-Semitic right, like these neo-Nazis, they look at those shows and they think that that represents Jews and that it represents the Jews on the right, which it doesn't.
These Jews do not have—they don't even have self-preservation in mind with the way they act.
I don't know what to say about them, but if you don't get it now at this point, you're just never going to get it.
It's like this over-intellectualized idea of—and there are all these theories, and was it Norman Puttheritz, John Puttheritz?
Which Puttheritz?
One of the Puttheritzes wrote that book, Why Are Jews Liberal?
And they ascribe it to all kinds of things, whether it's FDR, which, by the way, he, like, turned around also a ship carrying Jews that went to Auschwitz.
But there are all these ideas of why the fact that we were immigrants and now we feel the need to be this way.
I don't know what it is.
It feels like a mental defect in these Jews that they just, like, are so liberal and they cannot wake up to see how hated they are.
By their own movement that actively works against them.
It could be this whole idea that women tend to be more liberal.
They don't need the facts.
And Ben Shapiro's famous quote is, facts don't care about your feelings.
And I said this to him in front of you.
I said, I think you're wrong.
I think feelings don't care about the facts.
And a lot of women...
Mm-hmm.
they're actually transing more kids than I knew or it's it's it's more widespread than I realized or groceries their inflation really is that bad or the there are this many illegals coming over the border it wasn't I don't think it was those numbers you felt it you had kids that were going to school with furries who were shitting in litter boxes in their bathroom you were going to the supermarket realizing that you could afford less or that everything cost you more right like You had, you know, illegals in your neighborhood.
Things were getting more dangerous because of the border issues.
People felt it.
But that also plays into, then, the women of The View, who are able to capture liberal women's minds.
I also wonder, honestly, do we think most of their views are just hate watches?
Maybe it's because we're not friends with 60-year-old liberal women from wherever that we're in our own sort of bubble that we don't, thank God, we don't want to experience that.
And they're in photos, and he's laughing with Letitia James at the Al Smith dinner, and Trudeau is calling him about tariffs, and Mexico's sending troops to the border, and the whole world has been endeared by him now, and they get to see what we see.
Like, repellent to some of the things that you're worried about on the right?
Because that's actually what I think, more than anything else, is that if Trump...
Just keeps getting things right, which he is getting.
Elon said there'll be some bumps along the way and some pain points or whatever.
But if things just keep getting better, I'm not that worried about the conspiracy theorists and the crazy people and the obsession with the Jews or hating America or thinking our history's bad.
All of this stuff, I think it'll always be for a certain set of people that want chaos.
But everyone else will just kind of move on and look around.
So this is where the pessimism in me might really come out.
Because this is what—it's actually not totally related to all those concerns that you listed that are different concerns.
But I think people have really short memories.
And people voted for Trump.
And we can't confuse voting for— Republicans voting for the right, voting for conservative values, that should not be confused with voting for Trump or voting against the left and against the government.
And so what actually really worries me, and this is something that you could see Trump actually...
Trying to figure out with his legacy and setting us up.
It's not just about Trump right now and his victories in this moment.
He's clearly thinking about how do we set up the Republican Party well in a few years.
And you saw that at the RNC with the people he had speaking, where you could see the next generation of leadership that's young, which the Democrats don't have right now.
So in that way, I'm hopeful, but I'm also cautious about the fact that Trump is so special that he drew in so many people who might not be motivated in the same way to get up and vote, especially because I do think he's going to do such a good job, and he will course-correct this country and the world, that things are going to be good in three years when this election is really, really kicking off properly.
People on the left who felt, you know what, things are so bad, I'm gonna, for the first time in my life, vote Republican.
Those people might not be— They just peel back, basically.
They just peel back because it's not bad enough for them to do it.
It's like the amount of disaffected libs and former Cali diehard Democrats that are here now and are the most crazed Republican, MAGA, America flag, blah, blah, blah people.
That is what gives me hope here.
And it also, this Maha thing, I think really like...
As that combines with MAGA, I think that shows something strong.
So maybe that is just the difference between a world-weary optimist and a smiling pessimist.
But people, when this happens, by the way, when I'm on your show and these things go over my head, there are always a lot of comments making fun of me.