Dec. 13, 2024 - Rubin Report - Dave Rubin
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It's a crazy world Crazy world! | |
| Somebody's gotta have the same views. | ||
| It's a crazy world. | ||
| It's a crazy world. | ||
| Somebody's gotta have the same views. | ||
| Andy, I don't know if your audio is on for that, but this is like The View. | ||
| I just heard you say, I feel like I'm going on The View. | ||
| I'm Dave Rubin. | ||
| This is The Rubin Report. | ||
| That was the voice you may or may not have heard of, Andy Ngo, who is the senior editor of The Post Millennial and a, I would say, a top 10 Rubin Report returning guest at this point. | ||
| And I have the Willy Wonka of politics as well. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| The host of the You're Welcome podcast, Michael Malice. | ||
| Guys, this is like a reunion show for me. | ||
| How are you? | ||
| This is wonderful. | ||
| Do I get to be Meghan? | ||
| You want to be Meghan Kelly or Meghan McCain? | ||
| I don't think Meghan Kelly has ever been with you, has she? | ||
| No, but I'm working with your references. | ||
| You toss odd things out there and you never know where they fall, you know? | ||
| Andy, before we begin, I wanted to talk to you guys about something, because the three of us, as I just mentioned, this is sort of like a reunion show for me, and the three of us have been in this game for a long time, this internet media game. | ||
| And earlier this week, I did a show about my former co-host, and I would say former friend, Anna Kasparian, on The Young Turks, who, you know, Far lefty. | ||
| I left the network 10 years ago. | ||
| She has said unbelievably horrible, dishonest things about me for 10 years. | ||
| I've never addressed any of it. | ||
| She seems to be waking up at the moment. | ||
| And I thought it would be interesting, just for a minute or two, if the three of us could kind of discuss, what do you think the policy should be? | ||
| When people are waking up now. | ||
| I have no doubt that had the election gone the other way, and then suddenly I was like, oh, the wokesters aren't so bad, they're really great, and I wanna be welcomed in, that these are the types of people, I don't mean her specifically here, but the lefties in general and the progressives would still be coming after us, they would show no grace, et cetera, et cetera. | ||
| I do think it's incumbent on us to be a little bit better than them, and I'm wondering just philosophically what you guys think of that, because both of you, Andy, I would say you particularly, have been relentlessly attacked and smeared in dishonest ways by a lot of these types of people. | ||
| So I'd love to get your take on that, and then we'll dive into a weekly recap. | ||
| Andy, what do you think? | ||
| Well, the hosts on The Young Turks haven't been very nice to me in the past, but I think The evolution of Ms. Kasparian and perhaps some of her colleagues, to me, seems genuine. | ||
| I think it's pretty clear when somebody makes a political transition as a part of a grift. | ||
| I'm thinking of the Anna Navarro types, where once upon a time she was a supporter of Jeb Bush and other conservatives. | ||
| She worked for Marco Rubio. | ||
| Yeah, until she saw that she could become a regular guest on CNN and other liberal networks and then ultimately paid contributor. | ||
| And you can see where her views have taken her because of that. | ||
| I don't feel the same way about Kasparian. | ||
| I think she's come under a lot of relentless attacks from those to the left of her. | ||
| And she seems to have responded with integrity. | ||
| Dave, I think you've been really graceful to her in that you haven't Discuss personal matters, things that you've known obviously when you used to work at the Young Turks through all these years as you've gone independent and that speaks well to you. | ||
| It's too bad that She and others on that network at times have taken jabs at you over the years. | ||
| But hopefully there's been growth and maturity. | ||
| We do need offer some grace. | ||
| And of course, at the same time, not being naive when we are being tricked by grifters and all that. | ||
| Yeah, well, I'm glad you said that there at the end because Malice, you know me well. | ||
| I'm always willing to sit down with people. | ||
| I'm willing to break bread. | ||
| I'm willing to forgive if a genuine apology is there. | ||
| But I also don't want to be, I don't mean this about me specifically, but I think we largely on the right or whatever you want to call this, shouldn't be duped by all of these people who just see the writing on the wall, that their movement is dead. | ||
| They were huge parts of the evil that has occurred in this country for the last 10 years with that we're all racists and bigots and misogynists and Homophobes and everything else. | ||
| What do you think the right play is here? | ||
| Well, just a fun fact. | ||
| Did you guys know that there's going to be a William Howard Taft biopic and Ann Navarro is going to be playing the lead? | ||
| So just a little inside information over there. | ||
| But, you know, Tulsi was on The View talking about how Trump's a racist and people welcomed her into the Trump administration. | ||
| So I think there's some precedent here. | ||
| I think it has to be a case by case basis. | ||
| I don't know what welcoming would mean. | ||
| Dave, I remember you sat down with Eric Weinstein after he said some nice things about you and you guys had this kind of heart to heart. | ||
| So I think if there is going to be some kind of rapprochement between you and Anna, It would have to be what you're personally comfortable with. | ||
| And I think that would be a great conversation for people to see. | ||
| I mean, I know you kind of reconnected with Jimmy. | ||
| To some extent, he also sat down with Alex Jones after, like, spitting in his face. | ||
| Yeah, Jimmy Dorey you're talking about. | ||
| Yeah, so politics makes for strange bedfellows. | ||
| And I like it in general, even when people don't agree that they get along. | ||
| I don't like it when it gets personal. | ||
| I don't see the point. | ||
| It might be fun in terms of internet stuff, but when I see my friends beefing on Twitter, it really kind of bums me out. | ||
| Yeah, I should note real quick on the Jimmy door front that years ago after I left the Young Turks, Jimmy and I didn't talk for a couple years, and then he reached out to me one day because when he started to wake up, The Young Turks hosts were attacking him the same way he was attacking me. | ||
| And to his credit, he called me, he said, let's have dinner. | ||
| And he apologized to me face to face, you know, man to man. | ||
| So yes, I think we're all sort of in the same spot on that. | ||
| Anyway, I thought it would be interesting just because you guys have been in this game for a long time as well. | ||
| Today's show is really just a recap of all of the craziness of the week. | ||
| So obviously, if we're starting with the crazy, let's start with Luigi Mangione, a great name, but not a great guy. | ||
| We've got a little info from the New Republic here. | ||
| Luigi Mangione, the 26-year-old charged with the murder of healthcare CEO Brian Thompson. | ||
| was discovered with a brutal manifesto in which he admitted to the crime and apologized for the strife he caused but stated plainly that these parasites simply had it coming. | ||
| To the feds, I'll keep this short because I do respect what you do for our country. | ||
| To save you a lengthy investigation, I state plainly that I wasn't working with anyone, Mangione wrote. | ||
| This was fairly trivial. | ||
| Some elementary social engineering, basic CAD, a lot of patience. | ||
| The spiral notebook, if present, has some straggling notes and to-do lists that illuminate the gist of it. | ||
| My tech is pretty locked down because I work in engineering, so probably not much info there, he wrote. | ||
| I do apologize for any strife of traumas, but it had to be done, Mangione wrote. | ||
| Frankly, these parasites simply had it coming. | ||
| A reminder, the U.S. has the number one most expensive healthcare system in the world, yet we rank roughly 42 in life expectancy. | ||
| United is, and then it was indecipherable, the largest company in the U.S. by market cap, behind only Apple, Google, and Walmart. | ||
| It has grown and grown, but has our life expectancy. | ||
| No, the reality is these, again, indecipherable, have simply gotten too powerful, and they continue to abuse our country for immense profit because the American public has allowed them to get away with it, he wrote. | ||
| Obviously, the problem is more complex, but I do not have space, and frankly, I do not pretend to be the most qualified person to lay out the full argument. | ||
| but many have illuminated the corruption and greed decades ago, and the problem simply remained, Mangione wrote. | ||
| Mangione was likely referring to filmmaker Michael Moore, a storage critic of the U.S. healthcare system who made the 2007 documentary Sicko, and Elizabeth Rosenthal, who wrote the 2017 book An American Sickness, how healthcare became big business and how you can take it back. | ||
| Malice, let me start with you on this one, because someone brought up an interesting point in our post-game show yesterday, which was that if you're really angry at the healthcare system as it stands right now, as opposed to shooting the CEO of the healthcare company, wouldn't you be angrier at Barack Obama? as opposed to shooting the CEO of the healthcare company, Wouldn't you be angrier at Barack Obama? | ||
| Not that you can shoot him either, but that everything here is misguided, right? | ||
| If your argument is, oh, the system sucks, well, isn't Obama to blame for a lot of that? | ||
| Well, sure, but I think there's plenty of blame to go around. | ||
| I mean, it's hard to say that the CEO of one of the major healthcare companies isn't a major part of the system. | ||
| I think that as an anarchist, I'm probably a lot more comfortable with this sort of thing than you guys or most of the viewers. | ||
| And I also want to point out, if you're going to write a note, maybe you should work on your handwriting. | ||
| And the idea that I don't have the space, what are you going to rush for? | ||
| I don't think about plan B. And I'm being a little bit glib, but I think... | ||
| It's kind of... | ||
| I think there's a lot of animosity and hatred of this sort of thing. | ||
| And this has a lot of historical precedent. | ||
| And I worry about violence not because it's necessarily wrong in and of itself, but it tends to spiral out of control. | ||
| And it's also very counterproductive because the only thing this has accomplished is given people sympathy for him and for the company. | ||
| So if he wanted to do something to make people hate UnitedHealthcare or the healthcare system in general, I thought this had the exact opposite effect. | ||
| What do you mean you think you're more comfortable with this than us? | ||
| You don't mean the murder itself. | ||
| You mean the issues, perhaps, that he saw? | ||
| Oh, you do mean them. | ||
| I do mean political violence. | ||
| Yeah, I think this country was founded when Patrick Henry got on the floor of the Virginia House of Burgesses and said to King George, hey, Caesar had his Brutus and King Charles had his Cromwell, and you'd do well to learn by their example. | ||
| And when they started yelling treason, treason, he said, if this be treason, make the most of it. | ||
| And I think it's kind of crazy that we can go on TV and advocate for war, which means killing thousands of civilians, but the idea of taking out someone who's a real evil individual, and I don't mean this CEO, I want to be really, really clear, is completely off the table. | ||
| Well, Andy, with that in mind, I mean, you've been at the forefront of calling out a lot of the craziness on the left for years and that the fact that they were calling everyone Nazis and then saying, oh, it's okay to punch a Nazi. | ||
| Well, it's one step from punching someone. | ||
| It's only one step further to killing them on the street. | ||
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That sort of is where we've gotten now. | |
| I noticed going back to probably around 2016, there's been a mainstreaming among the left and the fringes of the left for open calls to political violence and murder of political opponents. | ||
| Initially, that was directed at Trump, MAGA, his supporters, and what these radicals think that political movement represents. | ||
| And as they face very little public backlash in the mainstream, they continue to expand who they could direct their threats of violence at. | ||
| I think it was a shock for a lot of liberals and Democrats in America when they witnessed a lot of open celebration of the terrorist attacks in Israel last year, for example. | ||
| But that is on the conveyor belt of this belief that this normalization of violence is not just fine but needed. | ||
| A lot of it is driven by fantasies about violent revolution. | ||
| They read Historical texts from radical anarchists and communists about how revolutions are achieved, and they hope that some spark of violent act could be what initiates uprisings. | ||
| In fact, for BLM and Antifa, some of them viewed the death of George Floyd at that moment, which is why they exploit deaths and violence a lot. | ||
| I think responding to what Michael said, you know, he's talked a lot about his anarchist views. | ||
| I report a lot about Antifa and their views as this fusion of anarchism and communism. | ||
| And I think that for some radical ideologues, the idea of political violence is theoretical, therefore they don't necessarily think about What it looks like in real life. | ||
| I think the analysis of the death of the CEO has been a bit detached in that we're viewing him as representative of the injustices of the American healthcare system on the American public. | ||
| But this was a man who was gunned down from behind in Manhattan, and he leaves behind children who are grieving for him and those who love him close to Christmas. | ||
| So, you know, thinking of it like that, I'm just disturbed that there is a growing sort of lack of humanity within the mainstream discourse. | ||
| Of course, it's not particularly surprising. | ||
| There are a lot of people who are salivating when President-elect Trump was nearly assassinated several times during the campaign. | ||
| So this is a continuation of that. | ||
| Yeah, I also think the broader point, but I do want to address what you said there, Malice. | ||
| The broader point here is that everyone is aggrieved for some reason. | ||
| Everyone can point to any system or some way they got screwed at a store or at a school or at something. | ||
| But once we start taking the intellectual notion, which I think is what you're talking about, and putting it into real life, it starts getting real dangerous. | ||
| But that's a perfect segue to this clip of Elizabeth Warren. | ||
| We've been talking a lot about this Luigi Mangione, the case about the UnitedHealthcare CEO. People are very angry at UnitedHealthcare, I think for good reason, denying care. | ||
| And the whole system, and we were just talking in the previous blog, you know, killing a CEO is not the way you change. | ||
| You have to regulate them. | ||
| And so we've got attempts to try to rein in some of these big businesses. | ||
| The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, which was your creation. | ||
| The Trump administration wants to get rid of it. | ||
| That is like protecting people from like credit card fraud. | ||
| What happens if that goes away? | ||
| So look, It's terrible for individuals, but stop and think overall about the social contract. | ||
| You know, part of the deal in how we've kept this democracy... | ||
| So, Mel, I think that was the wrong clip, actually. | ||
| Yeah, guys, I'm sorry. | ||
| I think we threw to the wrong clip there. | ||
| We had two portions of it. | ||
| But you know what? | ||
| Let me jump to the AOC clip here, and I'll see if we can get you the right one there. | ||
| But it's the same notion, the sort of but, when it comes to murder. | ||
| Take a look. | ||
| And I think that this collective American experience, which is so twisted to have in the wealthiest nation in the world, all of that pain that people have experienced is being concentrated on this event. | ||
| And it's really important that we take a step back. | ||
| This is not to comment and this is not to say that an act of violence is It is justified, but I think for anyone who is confused or shocked or appalled, they need to understand that people interpret and feel and experience denied claims as an act of violence against them. | ||
| People go homeless over the financial devastation of of a diagnosis that doesn't get addressed or, you know, the amount that they're going to have to cover with a surprise bill and things like that. | ||
| And when we kind of talk about how systems are violent in this country in this passive way, our privatized health care system is like that for a huge amount of Americans. | ||
| I mean, I did not have I did not have health insurance until I got elected to Congress. | ||
| All right, so she's doing the same thing, and we did get the Elizabeth Warren clip, so we'll throw it to you. | ||
| This is not to say violence is okay, but, and then she spends most of what she said talking about the but. | ||
| Michael, we can all argue about whether healthcare is working. | ||
| I have a friend who's in a very precarious position right now in a hospital, and his wife is not happy at all with what's going on with the healthcare. | ||
| You can't shoot the doctor. | ||
| And AOC, again, should be angry at the people who put these policies in place. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
| Let's just take a broader point of view. | ||
| If some governor... | ||
| I don't know what I can say, to be honest, on the Internet, but if some governor killed someone's grandparents by putting people with COVID into their nursing home and someone did something about it, if I was in that jury, I wouldn't convict. | ||
| And I think there's lots of cases where unless people have consequences for what they've done, and I do not mean the CEO, that things do not end up being changed. | ||
| And we just see that more broadly. | ||
| See, that's an interesting notion. | ||
| And see, I totally disagree with that, which is fine. | ||
| But that's interesting because you know me. | ||
| I was completely against all the COVID lunacy. | ||
| But if you killed somebody, if you went out there and killed a governor who Unjustly put your elderly person back into a home and then they got COVID because of it. | ||
| You still can't take the law into your hands. | ||
| Maybe you can. | ||
| I suppose you can, but you should probably be punished for it. | ||
| Let me throw you to the Elizabeth Warren clip. | ||
| We've been talking a lot about this, Luigi Mangione, the case about the UnitedHealthcare CEO. People are very angry at UnitedHealthcare, I think for good reason, denying care. | ||
| And the whole system, and we were just talking in the previous blog, you know, killing a CEO is not the way you change. | ||
| You have to regulate them, right? | ||
| And so we've got attempts to try to rein in some of these big businesses. | ||
| The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, which was your creation. | ||
| The Trump administration wants to get rid of it. | ||
| That is like protecting people from, like, credit card fraud. | ||
| What happens if that goes away? | ||
| Terrible for individuals, but stop and think overall about the social contract. | ||
| You know, part of the deal in how we've kept this democracy, this economy, this country on a fairly steady path for more than 200 years has been that those at the top Pay a little more in taxes. | ||
| Pay a little less rich than they otherwise might be. | ||
| And everybody else at least gets a chance. | ||
| And what happens when you turn this into the billionaires run it all is they get the opportunity to squeeze every last penny. | ||
| And look, we'll say it over and over. | ||
| Violence is never the answer. | ||
| This guy gets a trial who's allegedly killed the CEO of UnitedHealth. | ||
| But you can only push people so far. | ||
| And then they start to take matters into their own hands. | ||
| Okay, so first, I just despise that woman at the highest possible level. | ||
| Allegedly, no, he did it, and there's a manifesto and video. | ||
| She also does the butt thing. | ||
| I would also tell Elizabeth Warren that the social contract has something to do with not shooting people because you were grieved about something. | ||
| She's also dishonest about taxes, and the rich do pay virtually all the taxes. | ||
| Okay, fine. | ||
| Andy, again, I think none of this is surprising, knowing the type of work that you do and what's come out of the radical left these days. | ||
| She's right that there's a lot of anger out there in American society. | ||
| There's a lot of hatred. | ||
| There's a lot of violence. | ||
| I can accept all that. | ||
| One another. | ||
| But part of the social contract that she mentions is that we, living in a society with a rule of law, is that the state is the one who has a monopoly on violence, meaning through its institutions, right? | ||
| They are the only ones who have the authority to imprison us or to use law enforcement to arrest us for violence against us if we are accused of crimes or whatever. | ||
| And that is part of the social contract. | ||
| When that is broken down, you have Anarchy, which on an academic theoretical level may sound wonderful to a lot of ideologues. | ||
| You can, I mean, look at Syria right now. | ||
| There are all these different factions there who, in this lack of governance, are really hoping that this is their opportunity for either split off independence autonomous movements or a jihadist takeover of the space or Islamist control, whatever. | ||
| And all that comes with a lot of violence and retribution and death. | ||
| Also, the danger, of course, when one normalizes the acceptance of violence against one another, somebody can always redraw the line of where that is acceptable. | ||
| I did see online in the reaction to the United CEO's death that it was actually quite kind of across the spectrum. | ||
| A lot of people view, on the right and left, view the American health insurance system, the people behind it as scum. | ||
| But this type of legitimizing of that act can also be used to kill political targets that Who are great leaders, right? | ||
| Or going after Americans who have the wrong political view. | ||
| So to that point, Malice, and one of the reasons I love having you on the show is you're willing to take some positions that most people won't take. | ||
| So I'm curious though, so if someone was to kill the governor because the governor put the infected patients back into a home or something like that, and then their grandmother died because of it. | ||
| Your position is you wouldn't convict, and intellectually I understand that. | ||
| But what's the limiting principle? | ||
| So then what if the son of the governor, whose father has now just been murdered in cold blood, what if he then killed the person who killed his father? | ||
| Does that person go to jail? | ||
| Well, that would be, I guess, more of a case-by-case basis, but I'm going to push back a little bit about Andy because he's talking about Syria. | ||
| I don't think it's an example of anarchism, but the idea that before what's going on now, there wasn't violence and retribution, I think is kind of silly. | ||
| But I'm going to make another more broad point regarding political violence, which is what COVID and lockdown showed some very evil people, either by accident or design, what the limits would be of American docility and what it's going to take for Americans to push back, not just Americans, but across the world. | ||
| And we're seeing it implemented in England right now, and it would have been implemented if Kamala Harris had won because Tim Walz had openly talked about restricting free speech. | ||
| So unless people are willing to at some point, like Elizabeth Warren say, take up arms, you're going to go see things like are happening in England today where the cops will knock on your door and arrest you for a Facebook post. | ||
| Now, I don't understand how you guys can sit here as proponents of free speech and argue that if the cops are showing up and arresting people for their Facebook posts at a certain point, pushing back aggressively isn't the answer. | ||
| Because obviously the legislative process has not worked, and the social contract, which does not exist, and the terms of which are completely nebulous and made up by everyone on the spot, would at least apply to the ability to explain your political views without consequence. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Well, I don't think either one of us are making that argument. | ||
| But you're also mentioning something that's happening in the UK. They don't have the exact protections around speech that we have with the First Amendment. | ||
| If it starts happening here, and by the way, we know that big tech was colluding with the government to delete tweets and all of those things and whatever. | ||
| The idea that you can just go out and shoot somebody, I think, is a bit of a... | ||
| What's your answer? | ||
| Go to jail? | ||
| Bend over and have them do whatever they want to you? | ||
| No, you fight through all legal means possible. | ||
| But there's no legal means. | ||
| Free speech has been erased. | ||
| Right now in the United States, you still have... | ||
| In the UK. No, no, no. | ||
| So, again, I'm giving you from the American... | ||
| Well, Andy, why don't you respond to that because you are in the UK. I'm giving the American perspective here. | ||
| Well, yes. | ||
| I'm based in England now and Michael brings up A serious issue here in that there's no equivalence of a First Amendment. | ||
| So therefore, under its anti-hate legislation in the UK, law enforcement can question you, detain you, possibly even arrest you for Posts online that is interpreted as an incitement to racial hatred or other types of hatred. | ||
| That's what's happened. | ||
| I think going about escalating violence in response to that because of the excessive use of state violence against people doesn't achieve much at all. | ||
| What would happen is you would martyr yourself. | ||
| I I believe in the democratic process that you can get changed with time, obviously, through elected representatives as you campaign on this issue. | ||
| I'll step back a little bit and I'll talk about an issue that's been really successful. | ||
| For example, the UK was like the US and Canada and other Western countries at one point in that it was totally In the health institutions and in media and in government, totally on board with the trouncing of minors under all the arguments we've heard before, gender affirmation saves lives, etc., etc. | ||
| It was through the process. | ||
| It was slow. | ||
| It took years of campaigning by women's rights activists, gay and lesbian people, and then brave doctors and pediatricians who pushed back eventually and got the society to shift on that, the media to shift on it, and the health bodies to shift, and now the government as well this week. | ||
| It was announced that the UK government, the Northern Irish government, as well as the Scottish government is making the ban on the puberty blockers for minors who have gender confusion. | ||
| That's going to be permanent now. | ||
| It was temporarily in place before. | ||
| So, I mean, that's one example of many, many where you see the democratic process I think some type of process has to happen also with people raising awareness about the abuses of the state in regards | ||
| to people's speech online. | ||
| You know, the immediacy of direct action is so appealing to ideologues, but I think history shows that, yes, maybe historically there were examples of where it cascaded down a number of facts that were needed, but it also can go completely another way. | ||
| There are many, many direct actions that have led to very bad outcomes for everyone. | ||
| Can I say something? | ||
| Has democracy ever had very bad outcomes for everyone? | ||
| Can you say that again? | ||
| You said violence has often had bad outcomes for everyone. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Has democracy ever had very bad outcomes for everyone? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So sometimes tools are used in a correct way and sometimes tools are used in a correct way. | ||
| Historically speaking, if people look this up, the corporate press won't talk about this, prohibition ended because people kept shooting the cops. | ||
| At a certain point, the cops are like, I'm not doing this anymore, and then the lawmakers followed suit. | ||
| So the idea, to use your transiting example, if I'm a dad and in California right now, my kid is going to be taken away from me, ruined for life, and my only recourse is to try to rally the troops in California and change things to referendum, and that violence in that case would be absolutely off the table, that to me sounds deranged. | ||
| And by the way, I mean, that's exactly why I wanted to have you guys on and why we've stayed with this topic as long as we have. | ||
| Because, you know, look, we know that during COVID, the government, state governments and the federal government stepped all over the Constitution. | ||
| Your right to assembly was taken away. | ||
| You could not meet in certain places. | ||
| Now, I was extremely angry about that in California, and I protested outside one of the I don't know if I was in the legislature's homes. | ||
| Had I shot her, I think it's a different thing. | ||
| But I get what you're talking about intellectually, at least the idea of the pressure. | ||
| But I wanna connect this to largely what's been happening just as it relates to education and the radicalization of our youth. | ||
| Let me read this tweet to you. | ||
| "Breaking, UPenn has announced that a retraction from Professor Julia Alexanieva, who celebrated the alleged UHC CEO assassin calling him an icon, is sufficient and she will not be fired." This is absolutely ridiculous. | ||
| Her teaching students, We are teaching students how to get to a Luigi Mangione. | ||
| That's from A.L. Yacobi. | ||
| I want to show you the quick video on TikTok from the professor right after the shooting. | ||
| Okay, so Michael, your feelings about the sort of philosophical notion that happened here, notwithstanding, is there an issue there? | ||
| Well, you saw her username was The Soviet. | ||
| I don't know if you saw that. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And I got the Russian music and all that. | ||
| I mean, if you're going to ask where political violence start, I would start with academics, to be honest. | ||
| So I'm not really – I guess I'm joking, but I mean I think that's where the poisoning starts. | ||
| To your point here, this is exactly where violence and what Andy talks about with regards to Antifa – And this radical revolution, it does start at the university level and percolates out broadly to the populace. | ||
| So I'm very gladdened by the way that right-wingers have gone from understanding or thinking that DC is the problem and realizing it starts from the newspapers and that starts from the universities. | ||
| Well, I'm glad to hear you say that because, I mean, this was a kid, Luigi Mangione, who was educated, I guess was the word we're going to use, but at Penn. | ||
| So it's like he was in the belly of the beast of people like this person, and somehow she's still going to be a professor there. | ||
| Andy, why don't you bring us home on this one, and then we'll jump to the next topic. | ||
| I guess the reason why I'm defending the system is because I believe in it for all It's flaws. | ||
| I think it's provided stability by this system referring to, let's say, the American political systems provided stability, wealth, safety broadly for society. | ||
| And where do we... | ||
| I mean, if we just take the logical conclusion that direct action is needed Basically, whenever one wants, whenever a movement wants, there would be nothing to stop, a social pushback against people like you and I being assassinated. | ||
| I'm sure you being in the public space, as I have, and for our views that others might view as controversial, have received death threats and maybe possibly even acts of violence. | ||
| I'm speaking from example, you know, so... | ||
| I mean, all three of us, I think, fall in that bucket. | ||
| We've all had these... | ||
| Can I just say one more thing? | ||
| And I say this, I'm not trying to be mean, but if the American system provided safety and stability like you claim you'd be living here, it does not. | ||
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| All right, so the other big story of the week, which is bizarrely connected, at least sort of culturally, to everything we were just talking about, was the acquittal of Daniel Penny in the murder of Jordan Neely, who was either a homeless, somewhat transient, who was threatening people on the subway, and then Penny put him in a chokehold, and he did not survive. | ||
| I want to show you some of the analysis of it. | ||
| We don't have to get in, unless you guys want to get into the specifics of what happened Let's get into some of the, okay, we can, all right. | ||
| Well, do you wanna get into any of that? | ||
| I just think it's very, very clear that he didn't kill him. | ||
| He was still breathing when he got out of the chokehold. | ||
| That's really an important point that people gloss over, not that you were going to. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Well, I'm glad you said that. | ||
| And it's also worth noting that because everyone's trying to racialize this case, because Penny happens to be white and Neely happened to be black, that two other black men were helping hold him down. | ||
| And some of the people that he was threatening on the subway were black. | ||
| But of course, The media racializes everything. | ||
| Let's go back to the television, the televised mental institution known as MSNBC. Never mind that Daniel Penney has not, at least as of now, volunteered to be the right's next George Zimmerman or Kyle Rittenhouse, two vigilante heroes of the right who are beloved and famous among Republicans solely for killing people who they believe need killing. | ||
| And getting acquitted for it at trial. | ||
| Armed conservative must be heavily armed and empowered to kill at will with your handgun, your AR-15, or even with your bare hands. | ||
| Anyone who makes you feel threatened or uncomfortable anywhere, anytime, at your front door, in your driveway, driving by a Black Lives Matter rally or on the terrifying, scary, black-man-filled New York subway. | ||
| And the people who tend to need killing just happen to be black or brown or suffering from mental health crises or white, but just a little too cozy with BLM. And killing them is not just your right, Republican citizen. | ||
| Doing it makes you a hero. | ||
| Guys, Meg and Kelly and I have an ongoing debate as to who's the most evil, racist person on television, whether it's Joy Reid or Sonny Hostin. | ||
| I've been pushing Sonny, but Joy Reid... | ||
| It's Sonny. | ||
| It's Sonny. | ||
| Joy's dumb. | ||
| Sonny knows what she's doing. | ||
| Thank you, Malice. | ||
| I'm going to bring that to the desk of Megyn Kelly. | ||
| Andy, let me start with you on this one. | ||
| I mean, of course, the endless racialization of this, the idea that Daniel Penny got on the subway ready to kill a black guy, it's completely absurd. | ||
| We're always told, see something, say something, or actually do something if women and children are being threatened. | ||
| But none of this, the reaction shouldn't surprise us, right? | ||
| I think when you look at New York, it seems like we live in this upside-down society where Daniel Penny is hated as some type of racist killer, a wicked man, and then Luigi Mangione is a hero to these people, somebody who allegedly murdered somebody by shooting him in the back. | ||
| I think that I've been really impressed by the interviews that Mr. Penney has done. | ||
| I think he's only done one. | ||
| It was on Fox News. | ||
| He showed a lot of grace, and you can see that he looks quite traumatized by the whole experience, understandably. | ||
| It's easy for Joe Reed and other race grifters online To opine about this from the safety of the NBC studios. | ||
| Do you know how many security guards are there? | ||
| Do you know how many layers of security have to go through as a guest to come in to get into their studios? | ||
| So yeah, of course, for her, again, I think she's in the mindset of many of these radicals online where violence is Right. | ||
| This is not a woman who ever gets on the subway. | ||
| This is someone who has an armed driver that drives her to the studio where there are multiple armed guards at the studio and layers of security and everything else. | ||
| Michael, I don't know if you saw the interview that Andy's referring to there, but there was a really interesting moment where Daniel Penny said something that I think sums it up quite beautifully, actually. | ||
| He said that he could not have lived with himself if on that subway he had not done something and that Jordan Neely had attacked one of the women or children, again, who some of them happened to be black. | ||
| That he could have never lived with himself. | ||
| And it's like, man, that is what a good person is supposed to say. | ||
| Maybe this is my Russian upbringing, but I cannot wrap my head around people who have sympathy for the violent deranged. | ||
| Like, I don't understand this idea that we should feel for them, and it's so terrible, what a tragedy. | ||
| I don't get it at all. | ||
| If those allegations that are true, that he punched an old lady in the face, broke her orbital socket, tried to kidnap a kid, why is this guy on the street? | ||
| And I'm not trying to pick on you, but this system you praise lets people like Jordan on the street and tries to make examples of Daniel Penney. | ||
| I wouldn't wish going through a trial like he did or covering house on anyone. | ||
| These people should be governors. | ||
| They shouldn't be on trial. | ||
| So I think what actual example of anarchism is when the government co-ops itself, the promise of public safety refuses to enforce it. | ||
| And then individual citizens have to take the law to their hands and to provide safety. | ||
| And when they do the government's jobs for them, they are punished for crossing the line. | ||
| That is the danger of the government. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I would say, Malice, to that point, I mean, I think this is also where the blue cities and blue states have utterly failed us. | ||
| And so I completely agree. | ||
| Well, they've succeeded. | ||
| It's not an accident. | ||
| Well, no, no. | ||
| They have failed us, the American people. | ||
| They maybe have succeeded at what their nefarious goals might be. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| But we do know that if you go into a store here in Florida, we know we have concealed carry, you can't just walk into Lululemon and steal a bunch of stuff. | ||
| I love those shirts and the workout things, but I can't just do it because not only will someone tackle me, but someone in the mall might actually shoot me where in New York they've unarmed people and then they've ruined the policing there. | ||
| So I guess the argument would be that there's multiple layers of the system and in some places it works better than in others. | ||
| And also to the shamelessness, as we all know, Kyle Rittenhouse's targets were white, but it doesn't matter if you're going to construct a narrative. | ||
| So this is how you know these people are completely devoid from any kind of semblance of decency or honesty, and they're just going to tell the story regardless of what the data is, in which case any discussion is based on bad faith and is kind of pointless. | ||
| All right, we've gone deep so far. | ||
| Andy, do you want to bring us home on this and then we'll get to some silly stuff? | ||
| I think wokeness and liberal governance rewards, cowardice, and punishes people who are brave and do the right thing. | ||
| You know, I think about my own experience back in 2021 when I was beaten and nearly killed by Antifa for a second time in downtown Portland. | ||
| It was on a Friday night, and I ran by a lot of people who were out and about, ran in the middle of the street where all the traffics and cars were, and not a single person stopped to help. | ||
| As far as I know, nobody even bothered to call 911. I think Michael is confusing my defense of the American political system not as a defense of the flaws in corruptions that can happen in jurisdictions like New York or Seattle, Portland or LA and other places. | ||
| I think that's a corruption of the system from horrible leaders who are elected and put into place and they have I think we have certain political ideologies that, unfortunately, what's in vogue right now is that if a criminal suspect or a criminal happens to fit a certain demographic, that person is automatically the good guy. | ||
| And it's a sick, corrupt way to view society. | ||
| Unfortunately, we have a lot of people who have loud microphones like Joy Reid and others who continually poison the minds I don't understand that distinction at all. | ||
| It's like if I have a car manufacturer and one-third of the cars keep blowing up, the car manufacturer ain't that hot. | ||
| Well, but except the difference, I would say, Michael, is that you lived in New York City during COVID. You saw the lunacy and the lockdowns and the craziness and the crime and the drugs and all those things, and you moved to Texas because the system is not equal in all places. | ||
| In some places, it operates closer to the way it's supposed to operate. | ||
| I suppose it's a blue pill term, but I think what you guys don't appreciate is that, and I think what a lot of people understood during COVID is that a lot of people want their cage. | ||
| They want this. | ||
| No, I fully accept that. | ||
| This is not being done over their heads. | ||
| This is not being done against their will. | ||
| This is what they want, and this is given the opportunity, what they voted for. | ||
| Every governor who put people into those nursing homes and killed all those old people got re-elected. | ||
| There were no consequences for their action, let alone violence. | ||
| So I don't think it's corruption if that's what people are consciously and knowingly voting for repeatedly. | ||
| Yeah, again, I actually don't think we're, I think we're basically just, it's a slightly different take on the same issue. | ||
| I think people in the audience, just not you. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I think the basic argument would be here that in some places it works more, in some places people are a little more armed with what their actual, the laws that govern them are and what their rights are and everything else. | ||
| And in some places, I think you're right, Michael, it's designed and intentional and everything else. | ||
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| I do have to say I was not planning on going 44 minutes or so with what we did right there, but that's exactly why I do this show. | ||
| What we just got into and the philosophical notions behind why we're talking about all these things, I think it's great, so I thank you guys. | ||
| But let's jump for a second to the just general ridiculous state of politics. | ||
| Here is Jill Biden wishing everyone a Merry Christmas for this joyous season we're in, and she realized that she kind of stepped in it. | ||
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So I hope that you all feel that sense of, you know, peace and light and that just for a moment when you leave here today that you feel, I don't know, a little, a sense of joy. | |
| Because I think we all need like this, you know, we all need to feel joy now during this time of the season, just during this time. | ||
| So anyway. | ||
| Okay, now I'll start. | ||
| You're all reading into that. | ||
| Malice, I know you're familiar with the notion of kayfabe, this sort of WWE wrestling idea that we're all sort of partly watching something that is scripted and reacting to it, even though it's kind of fake, but we're having real emotions to it. | ||
| Like when you see, you know, Hulk Hogan slam Andre the Giant, you're like, oh my God, it's the greatest thing ever. | ||
| That was the greatest thing ever, WrestleMania III. That was WrestleMania III and Hogan did not know if Andre was gonna let him body slam him or not. | ||
| If you haven't seen that doc on, what's it called? | ||
| The doc on Vince McMahon. | ||
| It's called Mr. McMahon on Netflix. | ||
| It's really fantastic. | ||
| And it tells you a lot about politics, but anyway. | ||
| That struck me as a very kayfabe moment. | ||
| She knew exactly what she was doing right there, just throwing some bread out for us. | ||
| Yeah, if it was one thing, we could dismiss it, but she also wore red on Election Day. | ||
| It's not like she wears red regularly like Nancy Reagan, it's not her color. | ||
| But there was two moments where she was at some receiving group And Kamala Harris is right there shaking hands over Jill's head. | ||
| Jill won't even look at her. | ||
| And then we saw the other scene where she's sitting next to Trump and it was like a water park down there to look at her face. | ||
| I mean, she couldn't get enough of him. | ||
| So in her defense... | ||
| Joe Biden has been in the Senate since the 70s, right? | ||
| And he's been very proactive on civil rights and all this other stuff. | ||
| And that Corn Pop story turns out to be true because we found Corn Pop's obituary. | ||
| People may not realize this. | ||
| Wait, he learned about roaches from Corn Pop and that kids like rubbing his leg? | ||
| No, but his point is like he tried to work with roaches. | ||
| Because his point was he worked at the pool to try to interact with black people because it was kind of coming out of the civil rights era. | ||
| He loved having the kids rub his leg, but okay. | ||
| Who doesn't, right? | ||
| Point being, Officer Harris, first thing in her debate is like, you're a racist. | ||
| Now, if you're a Joe Biden, you're going to sit there. | ||
| You're like, I want to go Mangione on this lady. | ||
| And Biden painted himself in the corner by saying he's going to pick a minority woman as his VP. The list is not long, even in the supposed DEI Democratic Party. | ||
| And of course, she had a hand in forcing him off from re-election. | ||
| Supposedly, that phone call from Obama said they're writing 25th Amendment him, and I believe it. | ||
| So of course she's going to despise Officer Harris. | ||
| And I don't blame her for one minute. | ||
| And to her defense, this whole idea of like, well, Hitler is the other candidate, but we're going to campaign on joy. | ||
| That's going to be your winning issue. | ||
| It deserves to be mocked. | ||
| I'm completely with you. | ||
| Andy, is this not sort of the perfect ending of this version of the Democrat Party, that you'd have the wife of the guy that they basically cooed with the 25th Amendment pressure now throwing the lady who was hired only because of her skin color and her genitals under the bus as we roll into Christmas season? | ||
| It's kind of perfect, right? | ||
| Her character arc is interesting. | ||
| I remember the video after the election. | ||
| It was the first time Kamala had been seen in public. | ||
| I think it was some public event and Joe Biden's wife was seated next to Kamala. | ||
| She looks so icy to her. | ||
| I think this character arc is very interesting. | ||
| A lot of the The hatred that was directed at Jill over the years was really because she was such a staunch defender of her husband, and I believe that she played a big role in hiding his cognitive decline in the public by Becoming more and more involved in the running of the White House administration and the meetings she was involved in. | ||
| And one can criticize her for that. | ||
| But at least on a character level, she's somebody who's very dedicated to her husband. | ||
| And I think, you know, I, in some ways, I actually quite, I liked her on a personality level. | ||
| You know, there are some Democrats who not only does one disagree with politically, like you find their personality very grating. | ||
| She found her an endearing figure in the public space. | ||
| And I think since the election, she's been acting actually very graceful. | ||
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| I don't hear, Dave. | ||
| To the hospital in Luxembourg, so we'll get more on that. | ||
| So unless you guys know anything that I don't know, if you're scrolling Twitter while I'm doing the commercials, we'll put a pin in that for now. | ||
| The two other stories that I thought culturally were interesting this week was that Caitlin Clark was named Athlete of the Year. | ||
| I think we've got the cover here. | ||
| Time Magazine, Athlete of the Year. | ||
| And before I go into the reason that there's some pushback here, I actually think in this case, a woman winning Athlete of the Year is completely warranted. | ||
| This woman has completely revolutionized girls' basketball. | ||
| And I think you can absolutely make a case for it. | ||
| Malice, I'll get your opinion on the other side. | ||
| Now, the other part of this, of course, is that for some reason, despite all of her success, which is earned by her, she is doubling down on this woke lunacy. | ||
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Yeah, you know, your announcement for Athlete of the Year, like, tremendous, incredible, positive feedback. | |
| That's what we've seen across the board. | ||
| There's always going to be some negativity, and I feel like you have had to answer more questions than anybody about the intersectionality of race and gender and sexuality in sport. | ||
| Because of just who you are and you represent the growth of this thing. | ||
| And even today, earlier today, Megyn Kelly, she was saying that you were apologizing for your white privilege and the fact that you wanted to uplift black female athletes and make sure that they were getting the shine, kind of like your pioneers were getting the shine that they deserved. | ||
| And I just want to know how you feel or how you respond to some of those criticisms when you have to deal with something that it's really not your problem. | ||
| Like, I feel like it's them looking in a mirror a little bit, but it still comes down on your shoulders. | ||
| I feel like I always have had really good perspective on everything that's kind of happened in my life, whether that's been good, whether that's been bad. | ||
| And then obviously coming to the WNBA, like I've said, I feel like I've earned every single thing that's happened to me over the course of my career. | ||
| But also, I grew up a fan of this league from a very young age. | ||
| Like, my favorite player was Maya Moore. | ||
| Like, I know what this league was about. | ||
| And like I said, it's only been around 25 plus years, so I know there's been so many amazing black women that have been in this league and continuing to uplift them I think is very important and that's something I'm very aware of. | ||
| And like I said, I try to just be real and authentic and share my truth and I think that's very easy for me. | ||
| I'm very comfortable in my own skin. | ||
| I'm sorry, lady. | ||
| How sad and pathetic that you, who've revolutionized the sport, you actually had WNBA games selling out, which never was happening before. | ||
| You were getting the crap kicked out of you on the court in ways that probably had never happened before just because you were a straight white female. | ||
| The fact that you're playing into this thing, it's just so sad. | ||
| But Malice, I think you're more pissed that a woman was named Athlete of the Year. | ||
| In this case, I can accept it. | ||
| She revolutionized the sport. | ||
| I'm more pissed that you're forcing me to listen to a female basketball player. | ||
| It's like the one thing I'd rather less do than watch her. | ||
| I think Athlete of the Year clearly should have been Imani Khalif, whatever you pronounce that person's name, who won the gold medal for women's boxing, because that person is clearly a symbol of our time. | ||
| I don't even know who Caitlin Clark is. | ||
| Sorry about it. | ||
| Malice is working at multiple levels right now through multiple dimensions. | ||
| All right, Andy, what do you think about this? | ||
| I mean, here's someone who did incredible things based on merit. | ||
| The league treated her horribly. | ||
| I mean, when you see some of the videos, we played a lot of them, of the way some of these other girls, mostly black, I don't care about the race of these, were abusing her on the court. | ||
| I mean, I know a lot about basketball. | ||
| Setting picks that I had never seen happen before just Crushing her on inbound passes. | ||
| She also got passed up on by the Olympic team. | ||
| It's like the fact that she's playing into any of this is to me is just patently absurd. | ||
| So I don't know a lot about basketball and I did see months ago the way that people reacted to this athlete because she was white woman was very vicious and nasty and it's You know, you can see her response now in these interviews and the recognition she's received that this is a woman who recognizes that she has to submit in this particular industry that she's in, which is disappointing. | ||
| I mean, what she said could have been worse, but she could have also not given in into any of it at all. | ||
| So she could have just remained quiet on that particular front. | ||
| But this is often kind of the best we can expect, right? | ||
| Certain industries, there's this ideological capture, and unless you want to see yourself, your career destroyed, you remain quiet or you go along with it, which is why I really applaud the few people who are brave to speak out, you know, some people in Hollywood or music, whatever, who break the mold and speak out because of the consequence in their industries. | ||
| It's so severe. | ||
| I've seen it firsthand among people I know in the music industry, for example, what happens. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I guess what's annoying me most about this is that it's like, man, post-Trump election and the way the culture has shifted, that you still feel that you're going to be hostage to this thing seems just deeply, deeply depressing. | ||
| I want to end with one other thing because the other big story, no pun intended, is that suddenly people are talking about fat people and what fat people can do for themselves and what the drug industry should do for fat people. | ||
| And, well, here's Whoopi Goldberg. | ||
| This isn't just about food. | ||
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| This is sometimes people are born genetically larger. | ||
| No, no, I know you did. | ||
| But I want to say this to... | ||
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| RFK? RFK? That's his name. | ||
| Because you're setting folks up for shame. | ||
| Maybe you don't know what you're doing. | ||
| I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt. | ||
| I'm going to say you don't know, you don't realize what you do to people when you say stuff like that because it doesn't work for everybody. | ||
| And I'm going to show you, sir, because I weighed close to 300 less than two years ago. | ||
| And without the Majora, this would not have happened. | ||
| There you go! | ||
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| Take it off! - Oh, gosh, for a second. | ||
| - Wait, hold on, can I go off? - For a second, I thought she was gonna get naked and there's already two gay guys on this panel now. | ||
| Can I go off on this? | ||
| First of all, if Whoopi's claim is true that you're genetically predisposed to be huge, why wasn't she 300 pounds when she was filming Ghost? | ||
| But it only kicks in when you're 60 or 70. It makes absolutely no sense. | ||
| No one is born 300 pounds. | ||
| And it is true that some people are more predisposed to be heavier than others, but that makes it harder. | ||
| Maybe you're not going to be 120, but you could certainly be 180, 160. And just because Whoopi Goldberg couldn't get her fat ass together to lose that weight doesn't mean it couldn't be done. | ||
| It just meant that she personally couldn't do it. | ||
| And I highly doubt that if Whoopi, with her many, many millions, threw money at personal trainers and personal chefs, that she couldn't have gotten her weight from 300 at, what, 53 down to 200. That's absolutely ridiculous. | ||
| Yeah, you just basically hit every bullet point that I wanted to get to there. | ||
| Also, the glib way they talk about RFK as if he's some bad guy in this because he's trying to make America... | ||
| There was one more point. | ||
| RFK would say he would put pictures of people at the beach in the 60s and people now, he goes, these are the same people genetically. | ||
| America has not changed that much in 60 years. | ||
| Now everyone looks like a land whale before they were... | ||
| So he's not shaming the people. | ||
| He's shaming the food industry that's causing people to have these huge increases in body fat. | ||
| People were not genetically evolved to have mobility scooters at Walmart. | ||
| That is a very recent phenomenon, and that is a cultural food phenomenon. | ||
| I'm always amazed at these people at Costco who they can walk in, but suddenly once they're in Costco, they can't walk anymore. | ||
| What is that exactly? | ||
| But you're completely right. | ||
| And look, that's not to say that Ozempic or whatever she, Maduro or whatever it's called, it's not to say that some of these things could not be helpful for certain people at certain stages in their life and after talking to their doctor, but the idea that they're so focused on everyone has to get on this now, as opposed to, I don't know, eating right or exercising, And Andy, no, we have a surprise for you on this program because you tweeted this out. | ||
| You wrote, now you're known as a man who exposes Antifa, but you recently, this is from like a week ago, you wrote Antifat and you showed yourself, Andy, how long, that picture there where you're dressed, how long ago was that from? | ||
| That picture was from 2021. 2021, so in basically two plus years, you've pretty much turned yourself into a model. | ||
| I suspect you did this a little bit through diet and exercise. | ||
| You mentioned that you were almost late for the show today because you were going to the gym, and it wasn't because you were injecting yourself with a bunch of experimental stuff? | ||
| You know, my response to Whoopi is that And other fat influencers, they talk about the shame that they feel from society. | ||
| I wonder, do you know what the shame in feeling when you outgrow your clothes because you can no longer fit in the belt, into your trousers, and you have to go to the next size and the next size? | ||
| You know, I've been through, I've struggled with weight my entire life. | ||
| I haven't talked about this publicly because it's not part of the beats in my reporting. | ||
| It's a very devastating experience to have and there's nothing empowering about hearing messages about What needs to change the society needs to be more accommodating. | ||
| I think people need to be kind just across the board, period. | ||
| But obesity comes with, it's a horrible, devastating way to live on your health and your confidence and all that. | ||
| And, you know, with some of these before and after pictures, sometimes people just think it's an easy, quick process, right? | ||
| You just have a personal trainer or a gym or whatever. | ||
| It's a lot of Time and effort and commitment, but that's what health and fitness is. | ||
| It's a huge, it's a time sacrifice, but what you get is you get your life, you can get your life back, we can get a life. | ||
| And, you know, my quality of life is something I never thought I could, I never pictured having before, actually, from when my, you know, my BMI at my heaviest was 39 and 40 is considered morbidly obese. | ||
| So that gives you an idea of where I was and where I'm at now. | ||
| Well, thank you for sharing that. | ||
| I appreciate it. | ||
| And we did just throw that to you on the fly there. | ||
| But I think you're also making a broader point that it's not just about the physical body. | ||
| It's then when you do the work, when you change your diet and you do work out more and you do these things to change yourself, there's an inherent win in that adventure, like a spiritual win in that adventure. | ||
| Michael, I would also connect this to something that you said earlier about accommodating everything to the extremes. | ||
| You referenced sort of what we do with mental health in a lot of these Democrat-run cities and how maybe it would have been treated in Russia, but I'm not comparing being fat to a mental health issue other than there are some things that we do have some control over and we should stop placating to the fringes on everything. | ||
| Yeah, I didn't realize Andy's blood type used to be Nutella. | ||
| Good work, Andy. | ||
| As a literal underwear model, I'm proud of the work you've done. | ||
| I also want to make a correction, Dave. | ||
| Men have regimens. | ||
| Women have diets. | ||
| It has the word men. | ||
| So it's not a diet because a diet relies on willpower and you're going to fail. | ||
| A regimen is something you can stick to consistently for years. | ||
| And if you're setting yourself up to something like eat lettuce every day, It's not sustainable and that's why these diets keep on failing. | ||
| A regimen is something you can stick to and that works for you and that accommodates your kind of eating preferences. | ||
| So that's the important way to get abs and get in good shape. | ||
| And you owe it to yourself and to your families to live that longer life because despite all the lies, being fat is the biggest comorbidity, no pun intended, with all sorts of other illnesses and it's really, really unfortunate. | ||
| Well, gentlemen, I have thoroughly enjoyed the program today. | ||
| Unfortunately, neither one of you are coming to the Big Rubin Report holiday party tomorrow. | ||
| Andy, apparently flying 6,000 miles is a bit much for you, and Malice, I think you have a family commitment, but we will be eating all sorts of fattening foods and drinking lots of tequila and stuff, so I guess sucks for you. | ||
| Andy and I will be at the gym. | ||
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| Have a great weekend, everybody else, and thank you to Andy and Michael. |
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