Megyn Kelly joins Dave Rubin to analyze the euphoria following Donald Trump's election victory, reflecting on her 2016-to-now evolution from critic to staunch supporter. They dissect the Democrats' "lawfare" strategy and Biden's cognitive decline as key factors, while Kelly condemns MSNBC hosts Joy Reid and Elie Mystal for promoting lies and cultural appropriation. The pair predicts mainstream media will frame Trump's deportations and Title IX changes through narrow lenses, despite agreeing on the competence of picks like Tom Homan and Marco Rubio. Ultimately, their dialogue highlights a deepening rift between conservative podcast narratives and legacy cable news, suggesting a permanent realignment in political discourse. [Automatically generated summary]
I mentioned to you when I joined you on election night that in some way his hero arc now of this comeback and the euphoria that so many of us feel, it's connected to you because, you know, if we flashback nine years ago to that first debate and he was going after you and you definitely...
Well, I don't want to speak for you, but I don't think you were really a Trump supporter at that point.
You were actually doing journalism, certainly.
Then it's nine years later, and a day or two before the election, you're on stage with him making the case for why women should vote for him.
And then here we are.
I mean, if you were to talk to yourself nine years ago, what do you think she would think about what's going on right now?
I don't think she would have anticipated this is where she'd be at all.
I mean, my own evolution on Trump was not totally dissimilar from that of many voters, I think, where he came out of the scene in 16, and you were like, what is it?
It doesn't look like the rest, and it doesn't sound like the rest, and it doesn't fit the mold of what I have programmed in my brain as possible president.
And then we had that debate, after which he just kept kind of tweaking me for nine months.
Then I was really like, I don't really like him.
He's not my fave.
So yeah, that's where I was back in 16.
But then he governed.
And at heart, I've been a center-right person for many, many years.
He was really Pleasing me in virtually everything he did as president.
I mean every single win he racked up I was like and I agree with that one and that one too.
Oh and good for him on that.
Oh and look at these jerks who are coming after him and the Brett Kavanaugh thing really sealed my feelings about him and Next thing I knew You know, they blamed COVID on him in a way that was really unfair, and his economy had been booming, and it was just, they behaved so badly on the left, I grew to absolutely loathe their leaders, loathe them.
Not the people, I know you and I both have a lot of friends who are Dems, but the leaders.
And then by the time we crossed over into the four years of Joe Biden, and just as he actively tried to ruin the country, I almost just became radicalized against him and their policies and pro-Trump.
And the more Trump took, like a man, strong, you know, defying these judges, the lawfare, and then finally the assassination attempts.
It was just, by the end, I could not have been more in his camp.
And that's why I tell everybody, it's like, you're always at the top of my shortlist of people that I enjoy that do this, because not only has your evolution been honest and real, but then you also went to this side of the media thing, the online part of this, coming from mainstream.
And that really is the secondary story that I want to get to in a moment.
But first, let's go to the time machine for just a second, because I like giving credit where credit is due.
I know you don't want any extra credit, Megan.
But let's go back to January 18th, 2024, and watch this blast from the past.
Megan, come mid-January 2025, who will be President of the United States, and then I will let you go.
I know, and that's why I'm doing it, because you got me on that other one with the Trump and DeSantis thing, and now we'll just have a clip out there hanging there.
I just think, I know we're about to go through a year of, not indictments, criminal trials, and probably convictions, and maybe even the rogue judge who sends him into jail pending appeal.
Unlikely, but maybe.
Trump grows with every controversy, and I think it will be true this year as well.
I've never seen the Republican base so angry about something.
Even the ones who don't like him are going to try to send a message that that kind of electioneering that the Dems are doing to him is not okay.
And Joe Biden over the next year is likely to have a fall or an impossible to ignore senior moment.
And the reason I wanted to show it again, I like giving people credit where it's due, but it's also because what you were talking about there had nothing to do with policy.
It was the thing that was driving the Trump movement that you and I now have become attached to.
And I think that that's what really moved people here.
Yes, they mostly agree with the policies, but that's not really what people were voting for last week.
No, that's why the Democrats' lawfare may have been the biggest political mistake in history.
Truly, it was the most...
What egregiously self-inflicted wound we've seen in a long time in American politics.
Their master plan probably got him elected, almost certainly got him the nomination, and certainly had a big hand in casting the win to him on Tuesday, which is just so delightful.
But I'm really thrilled about the second part there because we all knew Joe Biden was deteriorating, but it was indeed a senior moment that brought him down and kicked him off the ticket.
I mean, you kind of knew it was likely to happen, but I'm glad you have a record of it.
It's like they're all pretending that they were saying it the entire time now.
That's the whole thing.
And that's why I think it's worth showing those old clips.
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And to that point, let's go to that very same episode and watch what you said about Harris.
Megan, does that answer your previous question, which is, like, well, why can't they get rid of him?
That's kind of why, because they know that, like, okay, if you could bring in Dean Phillips or if you could bring in RFK or anyone else magically, well, you still have to get rid of her, and that's what they're up against right now, because nobody's going to vote for her.
Yeah, no, you used to go on with her, like, in that same speech with her, like, but we need to be unburdened by what has been, which she says, so, yes, she is a massive problem for him.
Yeah, like, make it a contest, but the Democrats will never put her in.
But he cannot pass the baton to her because they will lose.
And now the interesting thing this week with Nancy Pelosi suggesting that was just a Joe Biden move, that she was surprised he endorsed her the day he announced he was dropping out, that she really wanted Pelosi an open primary in which Kamala was going to be forced to compete but not guaranteed the outcome.
I wonder if that's true.
I don't know.
But it is shocking that they went with her.
I know why they went with her.
The whole identity politics thing.
They were stuck with her.
And maybe Joe Biden just made it a foregone conclusion.
But I don't know.
Because, look, they could have said he endorsed her.
And that's good.
That counts for a lot.
But we're still going to have an open primary.
Pelosi said no.
It was absolute recklessness to go with Kamala Harris.
I mean, you couldn't have found...
A worse candidate.
She is dumb, too dumb to be president, too dumb to be vice president even, I would venture, and just spent the last hundred and x days trying to convince us and remind us of that fact.
She was completely on top of that, inept as a candidate.
I mean, you could have dumb, but somewhat street smart, you know, like savvy enough to get through an interview.
She had no skills, none whatsoever.
I mean, we can all now recite Her platitudes, her just empty phrases in our sleep.
She refused to deviate off of her pre-drafted script.
She gave us absolutely nothing to connect to.
And so all that was floating in the ether was those radical positions she had taken in 19, which the country universally rejected.
It was an utter fail of a campaign on every level.
And what's amazing, Dave, is that the mainstream media is ignoring the number one reason for the fail, and that number one reason is named Kamala Harris.
Let's talk about the media portion of this because my position for the last couple months basically was that this was really not an election of Trump versus Kamala.
It was really an election on reality and how many people now had woken up to something roughly real that they were getting online versus the endless lies of the mainstream media.
It is very obvious that the mainstream media is now even acknowledging.
I mean, CNN is now talking about the podcasters and the online streamers and everything else.
MSNBC is now for sale via Comcast.
CNN is now being reported as about to axe a bunch of their top talent.
Is that really the win here?
I mean, there's a Trump win and a policy win, of course, and we're seeing some good people coming in.
But is the other piece of this that the thing that you left years ago to now start what you're doing, very much like what I'm doing and so many others, that now we have a chance to actually deal with the truth at least?
Not only, obviously, Trump's use of the podcast circuit in driving up his numbers, in particular with men and with young people, because this is where they are.
The young people do not watch cable news at all.
Older people, senior citizens, watch cable news, and we know this.
Not only in that way, but think about the presidential debate between first Trump and Biden but then Trump and Harris and the vice presidential debate for that matter and the fact-checking that went on on X and on podcasts and the digital lane I mean it was absolutely stellar and those very effective little memes of like one You know,
the way that Dan Abash asked J.D. Vance his first question versus the way that Dan Abash asked Kamala Harris her first question.
Like, those were all over the online digital community, and they got played and replayed on shows like yours and mine.
The fact-checking of the debate was just something I've never seen before, where these mainstream anchors could not get away with the lies they were telling about, let's say, immigration policy in that J.D. Vance-Tim Walls debate.
All of it was exploding.
The Tim Walz stolen Valor stuff, that exploded online.
We all really had a massive role in shaping the narrative in a way that would have been unthinkable even four years ago.
And it didn't deafen the mainstream media, but it completely counterbalanced them in a way that just wasn't even possible.
So I think I've asked you some version of this probably a couple times over the years, but what do you think?
I mean, the hysteria and the lies and the fact that Obama two days before the election is doing very fine people again, and that all of some of the people that you just mentioned there from Dana Bash or Jake Topper, that they just were lying or running cover for all these lies relentlessly, and yet they knew they were being called out about it online.
As someone that came from the cable world, Can you just talk a little bit, has any of your thoughts on their psychology or what's really going on with these people?
Are they being handed a piece of paper, say this, lie about this?
I've told the story just recently, but I remember back in the day I first, gosh, I think it was co-anchoring America's Newsroom with Hemmer, which was 2007 through 2009.
We tried to entertain the Jenny McCarthy claims about vaccines, which were controversial for sure, but you weren't even allowed to say Could she be right?
You know, Jenny McCarthy's message on the vaccines was not, don't take the childhood vaccines.
And it was like, well, how—and I remember Fox News being like, oh, hell no.
We are not even going there.
And now today, the same thing is happening with the trans stuff.
Fox News uses, quote, preferred pronouns.
That's a News Corp policy.
They say he when it should be she, and it gets very confusing for the audience, and that's their internal policy as well.
And so, for sure, there are guidelines within which all those people must stay or they get in trouble.
You could never have the frank and honest discussions that we have on our shows about race, race essentialism, the trans stuff.
The election denialism stuff, the COVID truths.
I mean, pick a different day, you'll find a different issue on cable news.
And I only would really put it together later that a lot of that is driven by just the agenda of the owners, the people at the top.
And a lot of it is driven by the advertisers.
I mean, RFKJ is not wrong when he points out what a huge advertiser Pfizer is all over television.
A big advertiser in a day where cable news is doing this.
So what is the interest in that company and having a bunch of segments bashing Pfizer or talking about the myocarditis that teenage boys are getting after they take these vaccines?
There's plenty of other things that can fill the news.
And that's one of the beauties of being where we are.
You can talk, you can say what you want, even YouTube for all of its censorious instincts.
has allowed yours truly to maintain this platform now for four years and i've only ever had one video demonetized and it happens to have been with donald trump and it's because he used the m word in talking about chopping off body parts of children and if you use the m word to discuss what it is the chopping off of body parts YouTube gets upset, but I'm just saying we live in these alternate forums and it's working.
It's not working perfectly, but we're all strong.
We've all found a way to get our voices out there and make our frank discussions heard.
I do have to say, you know, I don't give YouTube a lot of credit, obviously, and thank God for X and Rumble and everything else.
But, you know, the New York Times ran that crazy piece a few days before the election, basically trying to make sure that all the right-wing YouTubers, including us, were going to be demonetized.
And they asked YouTube for a statement, and YouTube was like, nope, we're not doing anything.
So that also goes to that cultural shift.
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It's a TikTok tweet.
It's just, there's no way MSNBC, which is in a full meltdown now about how bad their losses were, there's no way they can keep this woman.
I don't, like, I realize they're in the same problem that the Democrat Party is, like, they have a base that they need to keep, but she and her little friend Ellie Mistel are truly the most racist people on television.
Weren't we lectured by people like Joy Reid about white women who want to wear the braids?
It's a no.
That's why when we went to the Bahamas for like 10 years, we couldn't have our child's hair with the braids, that the Bahamian women would love to charge you $100 to put in their head, but you're not allowed to help the Bahamian women because Joy Reid will call you a racist if she sees your child and her white hair in the braids.
Then we were told, you can't make yourself look like a Latina, or as J-Lo says, Latino, Latino.
They all speak completely without any Puerto Rico accent until they get to their words, and then they want to remind you, Latino.
Anyway, we were told you're not allowed to wear the lip liner or the big hoops because that's all appropriation.
And as a white woman, you're not allowed.
So why can Joy Reid have the white hair, have the bright blonde hair?
For a while there, it was long and it looked exactly like Donald Trump's.
And now she's gone closer crop to find, which is what leftist women are doing.
They're shaving off their hair to prove that they're leftists.
P.S. We could tell by your sour face.
You didn't need to shave off all your, we're good, we got it.
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I don't think it's worth going into Elie Miesel or whatever his name is, Miss Style, but I will say he looks like half-fat Albert, half-Albert Einstein.
What do you think happens to all of these people now?
Like, what do you think happens to not just, I don't mean just the MSNBC class, but all of these people who've been so wrong about so many things.
And I'm not just talking about the elite, the media people, but, you know, the professors, but even the young girls who I do have sympathy for, who are going crazy with the posting of the videos on TikTok, because they've been abused by probably their parents and the entire system and everything else.
Like, what happens to that thing as Trump makes things better?
Because I see that happening very clearly.
And these people, it's hard to basically be like, oh, Hitler's not so bad.
The media will do what the media does, and they will make everything he does bad.
Think about Tom Holman and the deportations that are about to start.
It's going to be great.
I can't wait to get these murderers and rapists and child molesters out of our country.
If you don't believe me, go follow Bill Melugin's ex-feed.
He works for Fox, covers the border exclusively, tweeting about the number of rapes, child rapes, that have been going down in Massachusetts, which has said it won't cooperate with the deportations.
Great, great.
Where's your concern for your children?
But anyway, What the mainstream media will do is not, oh, Trump got the rapists out.
He got the murderers out.
It's going to be, he took a father from his family.
All the coverage will be the most negative angle they can find when Trump changes Title IX back to what it was always and was meant to be, which is a statute that protects girls.
They will have a million articles on how it's transphobic, and they'll put the trans kid, the one trans kid who's a Boy pretending to be a girl.
Teary-eyed on TV. Poor me.
I never heard anybody.
I just wanted to play field hockey.
They will not put on the girl who had all of her teeth knocked out, by the way, again, in Massachusetts by said boy.
So that's what the media is going to do because they have TDS. And even without Trump, they hate Republicans.
They really think conservatives and Republicans are bad, genuinely.
So they will not be seeing the bright side.
There will be no silver lining for them.
They will get back on mission of trying to destroy...
and laying the foundation so that they can win first the midterms and then the next presidential election.
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By the way, I just want to mention again, I think I said it to you on election night.
I really think that the speech that you gave with Trump, was it the day before?
I know there's some people predicting there's going to be tension between Trump and Elon because Elon's more eccentric.
I mean, he's the most creative genius we have in the world.
And that comes, I'm sure, with a bunch of potential problems because it's not clear who's the subservient one in the room when he's there and Trump's there.
So I could see that maybe there'd be some friction at some point.
I don't know, though.
i think it would be far down the line because right now they're completely aligned in their mission and elon he has a touch of humility i mean i think he understands when he's in the room with trump right now anyway trump's el jefe and um i don't know i i can see some potential for conflict and i can see some potential conflict for with rfk j2 who's similarly a strong personality and slightly out there on a few things like the brain worm was A turn I didn't expect in this election.
So I can see that.
These are very interesting, very accomplished people, and they're not type B's.
So we're going to have a lot of type A's in there.
But that's good.
I think Trump is used to surrounding himself with type A's.
I think he'll be able to harness their gifts.
And I think, you know, realistically, everybody knows there's only one president, and his name is Donald J. Trump.
And what about the next couple months till Trump takes office?
Because I think there's, and I said this on my show last week, and I want it to bubble up to whatever sane Democrats are left, that Biden has an incredible opportunity right now, regardless of whether they took him out or whether he actually kind of did it voluntarily or whatever.
He has no need now to placate to the crazies.
But he does have this two and a half month period where Where he could actually restore his legacy and do some things right.
I don't know, maybe get five American hostages out of Gaza, not to even speak of the Israelis.
Maybe sort of wrap up Ukraine because Trump's going to do it pretty quickly, fix the border further.
Do you think that there's enough juice left around Biden or whoever's around him to do some of the right things?
I don't see him going scorched earth on Trump right now.
I just don't think there's a lot of People aren't going to credit Biden for it.
They would credit Trump, I think.
And Biden doesn't want to wrap up the Ukraine war.
Biden is more with the neo-Khani wing of the Republican Party and his own party now, where I think they're still Team Zelensky, where they see some favorable outcomes still in Zelensky's future.
I think it's more of us on the Republican normie side that are saying, what specifically?
How could this possibly end without Zelensky giving up significant portions of the country, which we don't want.
It's just It's just reality.
That's the only way to end this thing without more bloodshed and without destabilizing the world even further.
So I think that's a belief that's held by Biden and Jake Sullivan and Team Blue that won't waver in the last two months.
They'd rather Trump take the hit for wrapping that thing up.
I'm not having like a sandwich for breakfast and a sandwich for lunch, but I do have a piece of bread often in the morning with my eggs, or sometimes I'll have peanut butter toast, which I love.
It's such a treat.
And when I go to the restaurant and they have not just any random bread, but if they have the white bread that just came out of the oven and it's not stale, you know, it's like soft and doughy with like the good butter that has the salt on it.