Dave Rubin and Sage Steele dissect Kamala Harris's political strategy, criticizing Don Lemon's claims about Black men and condemning a racist tweet proposing race-specific loans and marijuana legalization. They contrast Harris's canned responses regarding President Biden's instability with J.D. Vance's accountability, while analyzing David Brooks' divisive "strongman" rhetoric. The episode concludes by praising child CEO Bridget Mendler as a meritocratic success story, highlighting the stark difference between her achievement and the current political discourse. [Automatically generated summary]
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Look at you, flourishing.
The smile.
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Have you ever been happier than you are right at this very moment?
Most importantly, I won't totally brag and be obnoxious, but right over the top of this laptop is the Atlantic Ocean.
That's my view.
Your beautiful view, Dave, but I'm just saying you're number two to the ocean right there, which is why it's a little bit different from the bears I had in my backyard in Connecticut, and then, of course, pull out your snow shovel right about now.
I am so grateful, and I'm just up the road from you, so don't ignore when I come knocking, okay?
The number of people, the diversity of the kind of people that come up to us with our pink jackets on, and it is, it's Women for Trump, and it was Laura Trump's idea, and it's a bunch of us.
The first stop was Tulsi Gabbard and Danica Patrick and Lynn Patton, and I mean, it's been, Elizabeth Pipko, it's been so cool to be with such strong women, all women who have taken chances, you know?
And just, you know what, this is what I believe in.
And like I was saying, the number of people who come up to us, black, white, Hispanic, It's almost emotional.
There have been two so far.
We have probably four or five left as the election as we count down to that.
I don't know.
It's cool because for so long, we've talked about this, Dave, how you feel alone and you feel like you have to just keep your opinions to yourself.
And then when you get out there, and we do it really loud with those hot pink jackets, people just, it's like magnets.
And they come to us and say, thank you and please.
And we have hope and we're no longer afraid.
And Black people in the inner city of Atlanta are like, we got you and we see you.
And we're here to help.
So that's been awesome.
And then real quick, last Saturday, I did the town hall with J.D. Vance in Redding, Pennsylvania.
Dave, this is nothing I ever could have dreamt of because I was like, no, I don't really want to get political.
Too late.
In deep.
But it's been really awesome, personally, just to see the number of people who I appreciate people like you and now people like me who are just finally saying, you know what, forget about the fear and it's so important to talk about the facts and do it in a professional kind way.
We don't have to be hateful and crazy about it, but there's so much more good in this country and good people that I get to see every single day now and I feel fortunate.
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All right, Sage, so why did I ask you about your skin color?
Because of her pandering, Don Lemon, who also happens to be black, I don't really care.
He was not a particularly good journalist who was fired from CNN. Then they brought him back for some reason.
Same thing they did with Stelter.
They sent him to some swing states to lecture black men who are into a certain orange man.
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I was talking to a lot of voters.
And I will just say that you texted me right around the Democratic convention and you said, I am talking to people and Kamala Harris has a problem with black men.
Yeah.
And I told the campaign I did not hear from them.
I mean, who am I for them to get back to me?
But there's a problem.
And look, I went from battleground state to battleground state.
When they invited me to the convention, I didn't just want to fly there.
I said, I'm going to go and talk to voters in battleground states.
And I did.
It was not curated.
I went up to people just doing man on the street.
Who are you going to vote for?
Black men.
And time after time after time, they said, I'm voting for Donald Trump.
Why?
Why?
Now, there are reasons why.
They said because most of the time they said, well, you know, for economic reasons, right?
Or because he gave me a stimulus check.
And I had to correct them over and over and tell them that that stimulus check came from a Democratic Congress and from Nancy Pelosi.
And that Donald Trump actually held the check up so that his name could be put on the check.
So they think they got the check directly from him.
Meanwhile, Joe Biden has given one or two stimulus checks as well, but they seem not to know and understand that.
You can vote for whoever you want to vote for, but the reasons that you're going to vote for them, I think that they should be accurate and factual and you should know why you're supporting someone.
I think there's a little confusion sort of amongst Don and the set that's watching that as sort of what the role of government is and whether it's supposed to give you stuff, etc.
I'm seeing something else happening within the black community, and I hate those phrases.
But it's basically like we've just kind of had it with the BS and Donald Trump speaks straight to us so it doesn't really have anything to do with checks or foreign policy or anything else.
It's just kind of like, oh, he's kind of funny and we remember things were pretty good under him.
I know you talked about it earlier this week with the scolding of Barack Obama and what he's done.
And now kind of the blowback from that and being on the road with Women for Trump and, again, just airports randomly traveling, the amount of people who come up to me and say, Who the hell does he think he is?
Does he think he's stupid?
And that's been amazing to me to watch.
I also think this.
People don't appreciate the way black people that have come up to me and I've talked to and actually gone up to them as well.
They don't appreciate the way that she ended up in this position.
Like, it was a coup.
And they think that the Don Lemons of the world and the Barack Obamas and the Kamala Harris's of the world think that they're too dumb to notice.
And they're like, no, enough of that.
Just like you saw other man on the street interviews with people, you know, in New York City saying, you know, do you have a driver's license?
Do you have an ID? Well, yeah, of course.
Well, they're saying it's racist to have an ID in order to vote, like talking about.
And so I think that's been going on long enough that people are like, no, stop it.
And I'm not, I saw a guy at the gym today who came up to me.
He's like, they think I'm voting for just because we have the same skin color.
And they acknowledge that's actually racist.
That's what you've been fighting against for all these years.
So I think people are done and they've underestimated the black community in that way.
Sage, since you're a classy lady, I won't do all my low-hanging fruit jokes about the women of The View.
Suffice to say, it's like, doesn't that strike you as sort of just the way they have to talk around each other and carefully around all of this and in such pandering ways?
It's like, this is the purpose.
Perfect ending of identity politics, isn't it?
That they now have to figure out a way to rationalize that for some reason, black men who make decisions on their own, just like white men and Asian men, might have been more into Joe Biden than they are Kamala Harris.
We actually have separate brains and can see things for ourselves and think differently.
Therefore, I love how Sonny started that off by saying how...
Divisive, the right is being, like, really?
Divisive?
Actually, you guys have rocked that for many years, but you've been able to get away with it.
I think the big picture is that Democrats have taken Black voters for granted for such a long time, because they could!
Because I think at the peak, when Obama was elected, wasn't it like 97% of Black Americans voted for Barack Obama?
And then it dropped down into the low 90s with Biden, and now look at these numbers, and then it skyrocketed for Trump.
And to me, it makes sense because we know that Donald Trump had historically low numbers for black unemployment, lowest in history, or at least in like a half a century.
Yeah, when people start to actually do their homework, which that's what happens when stuff starts to go south.
That's what happens when the economy goes south, when inflation skyrockets, when people can't afford to live, when eggs are now $7, $8 for a dozen versus half of that.
And so they've taken these voters for granted and all of a sudden it's like, well, wait, wait, what?
And again, I'll never forget how this scolding by Obama made me feel.
I was disgusted.
And oh, by the way, where have you been?
Well, I think he has been behind the scenes working to be president over the last couple of years.
We know that he's kind of been in charge.
That's what we believe.
But also, you've been up in one of your three mansions across the country, Martha's Vineyard, and now you're going to come down?
And lecture us about what we're doing, basically being sellouts for considering voting for someone else.
You're the ones that talk so much about, you know, race relations and nopping about race and not the color of my skin and treat me equally.
And now what?
Vote for her because she's black or you are not a black man.
Kiss my ass.
Like, I'm so angry at him for it, but I shouldn't be surprised.
And I think it's beautiful that so many black men and women are saying, enough of you.
Don't talk down to us.
You've taken us for granted and look where it's gotten us.
Like, I don't know what this is, but the key is that this is happening within three weeks of an election, right?
And so the only reason they're doing this, and all of a sudden Barack Obama comes off his chair, you know, his perch above whatever, is because she's in trouble.
Otherwise, you're not doing that because you never have gone into those communities.
Just like a couple of months ago in Detroit when Donald Trump went up and I forgot the exact location, but it was at a church and it was with a bunch of black ministers and preachers and they said, you know what?
Joe Biden never came here.
Barack Obama in eight years never came here.
Donald Trump, you're here.
You're talking to us.
You're listening.
And people see that and that matters.
Sometimes it's just showing up.
And having a conversation with somebody, that's what Donald Trump is doing, and he's been doing that.
Obama comes down at the last second to scold you because they know that they're in trouble, which goes to speak about all the interviews she's suddenly doing now too, which haven't been going so well.
Did you see this moment last week where I think he was at Mar-a-Lago.
He's given a talk and he says, where are the gays for Trump?
And then someone's like, they're back there.
And he goes, you guys don't look gay.
And then everyone starts laughing.
And I was like, that is what is so great about him because he's treating them like human beings.
He would joke about anybody and he's treating them the same way he would treat the blacks for Trump or the gays for Trump or the three-legged lesbos for Trump, whatever it is.
You know, it's just people don't want to see the human side.
I will say that's the thing that Kamala and I'm surprised because I think usually Democrats run much better campaigns than Republicans, historically speaking, at least over the last, I don't know, two or three decades.
And they've missed the boat on showing the human side of her.
I think that would help.
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And if you could just, well, maybe we are seeing it, Dave.
I don't think I want to see any more than I've already seen.
But with him, he is.
He has a sense of humor.
He's funny.
And sometimes it can be maddening, right?
Where you're like, no, please, just finish your thought because you were there.
Like in the debate, you're like, no, just stick with it.
It is what it is.
And that's why when people say to me, how can you?
I go, you know what?
At the end of the day, I don't care about that stuff.
And is he the most eloquent person?
On a debate stage or even elsewhere, at times, no, I don't care.
It's what we call a track record that matters.
And that track record over four years, when you go back to the black men and black Americans and black voters topic, I mean, you don't have to look that hard, work that hard, search that far to look at what the track record was and how your life was better, period.
So, believe it or not, I do want to talk about other things besides race, but I want to bring up one other thing that Kamala tweeted out earlier in the week, because when she put this out, I said it was illegal.
I am not a lawyer, but I knew there was something not right about this.
Check this out.
This is from the official Kamala Harris account on Twitter.
Harris Wall's policy.
Kamala Harris will create an opportunity agenda for black men.
It will provide $1 million loans that are fully forgivable, up to $20,000 for black entrepreneurs and others to start a business, support education training and mentorship programs that lead to a good-paying job for black men, including Pathways to Become Teachers.
Protect cryptocurrency investments so black men who make them know how their money is safe.
Launch a national health initiative focused on illnesses that disproportionately impact black men.
And here's the bumper sticker for you.
Legalize recreational marijuana and create opportunities for black Americans to succeed in this new industry.
Sage, before we get into how this has already been reversed, would you like to comment on any of that?
I just think it's like, what I'm surprised about is not that they do it.
It's that they think they can get away with it.
And then alas, two or three days later, they can't.
Check this out from Greg Price.
Kamala Harris's campaign has now told the Wall Street Journal that these programs will be open to all Americans on a race neutral basis.
This campaign is a mess.
And then the Wall Street Journal headline right there, Kamala Harris's agenda for black men will be open to all campaigns.
says, I mean...
Again, I'm not a lawyer, but I do know that we have individual rights in this country.
I do know that you are not allowed to discriminate based on the color of skin, certainly as it pertains to the government giving handouts and things of that nature.
So I'm not shocked that they go for it.
I'm shocked that they don't think about the fact that it's illegal.
Yeah, but again, I think it just goes back to the point that they're doing this, and they sent out that tweet on October 14th, which if my math is correct, is 22 days before the election.
Where was that?
Earlier, Kamala, which hopefully we would have crushed her for, I mean, we would have certainly, but others would have crushed her at that time as well.
Because no matter what, there's never a good time to put out a racist tweet with your racist plans for just black men.
Here, that is exactly what it is.
And I'm disgusted.
The good thing is, is that they continue to prove who they are.
And at some point, you're just in denial if you're not going to admit what this is and what they're about.
Also, if you wanted to create racism against black people, wouldn't you have the government give black people more stuff or forgive more loans or get jobs easier?
And then the next thing you know, a white person might be like, you know, I'm feeling a little racist.
I didn't get that loan or that job.
Or an Asian person might be a little racist.
To me, what a great way to create racism, which is kind of exactly what they're doing.
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So, Sage, I was with you on debate night when Trump knocked out Biden officially.
We're going to show a clip of that in just a moment.
But I want to start with another moment from this Kamala Harris-Brett Bear conversation on Fox because he asked her when she noticed that Biden was, let's say, unwell.
I have watched from the Oval Office to the Situation Room, and he has the judgment and experience to do exactly what he has done in making very important decisions on behalf of the American people.
After George Clooney said within a few minutes of talking to President Biden at a fundraiser that he thought this was not the same Joe Biden that we saw on the debate stage.
Yeah, but it was awesome watching it live, and it was like, he asked the question, and it's like, 1-1000, 2-1000, silence.
And again, between that question, between the question on The View from Sonny a couple of weeks ago about if there's anything that you would do differently.
And also, if the idea here is that he's still able to be president right now, if we're to believe that he's acting as president, it's like, well, then why is he not running?
The fact that none of this went through her head, like, oh, some of this might come up, is rather extraordinary to me.
However, it's not extraordinary to former Dave and Sage, because on debate night, this is what we were saying.
Yeah, actually, first of all, it's super uncomfortable, I think for everybody.
And I want to start with that.
I've been saying this since I interviewed him and marked up 2021, right after he took office, that it's actually a heartbreaking thing to watch.
I don't care what side of the aisle you fall.
Uh, the human element of this to see a failing man is actually heartbreaking to me.
Number one, number two, Shame on Jake Tapper in that moment for saving him.
Unfortunately, we need to be able to see all of this and then you make your judgment based on that.
But when you jump in and save him, it's wrong.
And we all had been guessing and speculating as to what are they putting in his body to make him as alert as possible, just like during the State of the Union.
And also, I think she'd never been asked that directly, but when the topic had come up before the other night with Brett Baer, I mean, what did she say?
She said he did the noble thing or, you know, stepping away and such a display of leadership.
Why?
And again, when did you notice it?
Because I know when I noticed it and I've never met the main person.
You know what I mean?
But again, this is part of being a good politician, right?
You just have to be prepared for anything, even if you're going to lie.
I think one of the things that upsets me the most, and I think I've learned when I did the town hall with J.D. Vance, when you're just raw and honest and accountable, That goes a long way.
When I asked JD on the stage the other day about his comments about Trump and I loved during his debate how he said, you know what?
Yeah, I screwed up.
I wasn't clearly or well informed and I've changed my mind.
And to me, that's huge.
When you can admit that you made mistakes, Just like them asking her, what would you change?
And she's like, nothing.
How about you say, you know what?
With the border, I wish that we had acted sooner on this.
But she is between a rock and a hard place, right?
Because you don't want to crush that man, and you don't want to fully acknowledge that you should have done things differently, but you kind of have to.
So I think it's difficult, but they've just been really sloppy, which I said earlier, it's very unlike the Democratic Party to be sloppy in a campaign.
My friend David Sachs from the All In Podcast has been saying that she's in this doom spiral right now, which is they hid her, and then that didn't work, and then they put her out there, and that didn't work, so thus it just kind of starts eating on itself.
So what do they have when you're in a doom spiral?
Well, they've got the F word.
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I do believe that this election is a litmus test for American tolerance for fascism.
The elements of fascism are rooted in this nationalistic drive for more babies for the state, for a strongman-driven nation, and a deep sort of state-based religiosity.
So I do believe we have a media problem, and we do have some of our media that is leading people toward fascism.
The question of America has become too soft and feminine.
I think that is a fascist litmus test.
So this question of whether the society is too soft and feminine...
It was alarming to me that a majority of Hispanic Protestants agree, but that's not shocking.
Immigrants are poisoning the blood of the country.
This is one of the most terrifying things that you've heard a presidential candidate say because it is straight out of my comp.
23% of Jewish respondents agree with that because that's straight out Nazi talk.
Yeah, well, it's sad, and it's gross, and it's kind of all they've got.
They've got fascism.
So we've done sort of the, I would say, fairly obvious, it's not going that well for Kamala stuff.
And I said to my guys, I don't want to end on the pure political thing, and I really don't want to end on the racehorse politics stuff, because we're going to do it hardcore for the next couple weeks.
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This is from the Daily Mail.
Nearly 20 years after starting her career as a child actress, Bridget Mendler is now heading to the boardroom as the CEO of a new startup company.
The 31-year-old started her career as a child actress at just 11 years old in 2004 with a voice role in the animated film Legend of Buddha.
She also has had roles on Jonas, Alvin and the Chipmunks, the Squeakquel, and the Secret World of Already before her breakthrough role in Disney Channel's Good Luck Charlie.
While she was working fairly steadily through 2019, she has spent the last few years on her studies, earning degrees from USC, MIT, and studying at Harvard Law School.
Now she's ready to break into the business world, serving as the CEO of a new space startup, Northwood Space, which landed a $6.3 million round seed funding via CNBC.
And let's throw to Bridget for just a moment.
This is not exactly my generation.
It's just kind of a cool story.
Listen to Bridget herself.
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I think for space companies, you're running a business that is completely reliant upon connectivity, but connectivity with space is stuck in a different era where you anticipate outages.
Or you find very expensive and cumbersome solutions for outages in a way that would be completely unacceptable in other industrialized sectors.
We were actually talking to a space company yesterday that had their contact time just slipped out from under them at the last minute.
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And our first contribution to it is through shared infrastructure through phased ray antennas, which offer a 10x improvement on availability for satellite operators, along with a lot of other exciting features of phased rays.
I'm not smart enough to fully understand all that.
But kudos to her because my kid did see those movies.
Especially the Ariadne one.
Yeah, I mean the Disney one.
And she could have kept going and I'm sure she's still getting paid for some of that.
And at 31, So she's been in school for a long time to get to this point.
That's so impressive.
Thank you.
I haven't seen that.
And I'm going to send that to my 22-year-old daughter and be like, hey, because listen, you heard me talk about Quinn.
She's a senior in college right now.
She's like, mom, I don't know if I'm going to get a job.
Is it okay if I move in with you here in Florida?
I'm like, no, get a job.
Like, absolutely not.
And if this young woman can go over and be a child actress where she couldn't remain comfortable and chooses to do this, I mean, she's a trailblazer to be doing it that way.
For now on, for as many things as we do together for however many years we do stuff, hopefully many years, I'm always going to keep referring to you as a black woman so you can keep saying you're half white.
Let me just show you this tweet from Pop Culture because this shows a little bit about the evolution of this girl, like how great this is.
She's just a Disney Channel girl.
She's doing this kind of standard YouTube song stuff and all that.
And then here she is as a CEO. This is what everyone, including your daughter, who I know you're a great mama too because I've heard you guys on the phone.
This is what every young girl and young boy should aspire to.
Again, I didn't think I'd be on the campaign trail, but I kind of am.
Listen, I just take long walks along the beach in the mornings.
Because like I said, it's right there.
It's one of the coolest things that you already know about.
There's so much good food down here.
And I'm having a blast just trying different random restaurants.
And I'll also say this.
I think people are so friendly here.
And it's because, in my scientific opinion, all the research I've done, because people...
Have made a choice to be here.
They've made a change in life to come down here.
And sometimes that changes is hard.
You know, I sold the house up in Connecticut, everything in it, packed my car with a couple of suitcases, a case of wine and the one plant I hadn't murdered and just drove and just did it.