Dave Rubin and James Lindsay dissect anti-Semitic sentiment, the Cloward-Piven strategy, and Frantz Fanon's weaponized empathy while analyzing Joe Rogan's reaction to Congress hearings. They critique Biden's Morehouse speech as Leninist "proletarian democracy" and warn that OpenAI's ChatGPT 4.0 could enforce a left-wing "meta-organism." Lindsay labels Biden "Evil" and argues societal issues stem from an attempted murder of culture by intentional enemies, suggesting identifying these threats allows recovery rather than expiration. Ultimately, the episode frames current polarization as a deliberate assault on individual human nature against utopian collectivism. [Automatically generated summary]
I'm not running for Colorado State Senate, but I am hosting this show on.
I'm Dave Rubin.
This is The Rubin Report, and do not adjust your screens.
I am a little lower today than usual.
That's because we have a special guest host for today's program in studio with me, none other than Conceptual James, the once banned Conceptual James on Twitter, James Lindsay.
But let's do one little thing before we dive into the clips, which is that largely, you have been calling out this stuff, and right, at least directionally so, about all of this for years.
You were calling out the craziness of the woke stuff.
You were saying that all this anti-white sentiment really was gonna lead to a lot of bad stuff as it pertained to the Jews.
It's sort of all bursting forth right now.
I guess my one question would be, do you feel good about that?
Speaking of people that are trying, Gadsad was on Joe Rogan talking about the suicidal empathy that so many in the West have these days, and we thought we'd start with that.
I have to say, as I sit here with one of the guys that was largely right about this stuff,
it's always a pleasure listening to Gad because he's been warning about this for years.
Unfortunately, the roadblocks that we were all trying to put up didn't work, I suppose.
But this idea that empathy, that we in the West put empathy, or Jordan Peterson talks about this a lot, putting tolerance up in that tops position of the hierarchy, it has led to a disaster right now.
It seems to me that we are now seeing on the shores of the United States what we've all been seeing clips of on Twitter, in Europe for years and going, we shouldn't have that happening here.
And now it's happening here and we don't seem to be doing anything about it.
I mean, it's just that Cloward and Piven were two socialists who were coming up with a strategy for how you break a wealthy country and you overload its financial and social services resources.
So you bring in immigrants, you up crime, you keep the budget deficit high until you end up with a financial crisis.
Not as, you know, oh this is organic and Westerners are just so nice.
But that is, Gad's right, that is the empathy, the suicidal empathy he calls it, is the tool that allows it to happen.
And we've been manipulated for at least 50 years.
You can read in The Wretched of the Earth by Frantz Fanon.
The foreword to that, or preface, is by Jean-Paul Sartre.
And it's called A Letter to Europe.
And he's like...
The savages are coming, and you better give it away.
And look how great you've had it, and they're going to take it, and they'll murder you if you don't give it away.
And that's really the strange death of Europe.
You know, our friend Douglas wrote the book titled that, but that foreword really should be titled the strange death of Europe.
They accepted it, and it's exactly what Gad said.
It's that we care.
We get this, this, oh my gosh, we've had it good.
We're a little bit guilty for that.
It's so crappy for other people.
And we don't have that kind of Donald Trump, oh, they're from shithole countries, you know, attitude that it's like, well, it's their job to get their stuff together too, which is a much more like, frankly, classical liberal, not even a conservative position.
It's like individual responsibility, self-governance, different areas have to get their stuff together.
So they weaponize that empathy and get us to override our better sense and that enables strategies like Cloward Piven or whatever else to be able to be foisted on the people.
And then like you said, it's now it's happening and people either don't know what to do
or they're just not doing anything about it.
I predict like we had in 2020, a critical race theory explosion.
I think in 2024, we're gonna have a critical immigration theory explosion.
It's gonna look carbon copy.
Therefore, I don't think it's going to work.
I don't think the American people will fall for it, but it's gonna be ugly.
So you mentioned Douglas Murray and Strange Death of Europe.
The other line that he has on this is that one day the barbarians will be at the gate and we'll be debating what gender pronouns to call them.
Yeah, well... And I think that that really is sort of where we're at right now.
We have this strange, this really psychotic mix of Marxists and Communists and Socialists and Antifa and Hamas people, and they're taking over our universities.
It's been going on for decades.
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A lot of people didn't seem to believe it was going on, but it has led us to another clip from What's crazy to me is, regardless of how you feel about how the Israeli military and the army is pursuing the war in Gaza, regardless of that, the blatant
Just out in the open anti-semitism that we see today.
It's like nothing I've ever seen before like like roaches coming out of the woodwork.
Like what?
Like you see it all over social media and it's like this.
If this was September and not October, you would be shunned.
Everybody would be like, this is horrible.
How the f*** could you say this?
You're openly anti-Semitic.
You're openly blaming the Jews for all the world's problems.
When those teachers were in front of Congress, when those principals of those universities were in front of Congress, And they were saying that it's not harassment to say death to the Jews unless it's actionable, which is the craziest mental verbal gymnastics I have ever heard anyone say that's in that position, in a position of being the head of Harvard.
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It was so crazy to watch.
It's so crazy.
It's almost like we live in an alternative timeline.
Like, we entered into a new dimension.
Like, in our sleep, we woke up, but we're in a new place.
I tried, right before we started the show, I put your Twitter name in, and Jews, because I wanted to see if I could find you saying basically that, that from, you know, say, seven or eight years ago, which I have no doubt you did, that in essence, this woke stuff was going to be very bad for the Jews in the end.
And ultimately it'll be bad for the Asians and sort of any minority that succeeds.
But again, I suppose the whole theme today will be none of this surprises you, right?
Yeah, so in 2020, I wrote an essay in October 2020, I wrote an essay called critical race theories Jewish problem.
And I laid out everything, like both sides of it, the critical race theory, interpreting Jews as white, and therefore going after them, recreating the anti semitic conspiracy theory that they've hoarded privilege to themselves under the set, you know, the trendsetters of society, even though there's this exclusive minority, they've recreate the whole thing.
And then, secondly, is this kind of post-colonial nightmare, where the existence of Israel, allegedly as a U.S.
and British-backed state, is the injection of whiteness and Western values into the Middle East, and this is a catastrophe.
And I just wrote then that this is a disaster in the making.
There's this book, it's called How Jews Became White Folks, and what that means about race in America.
Apparently that accuses progressive Jews of causing anti-Semitism or something.
And I got nuked for this.
So I should have been more savvy because, you know, all this vile anti-Semitism has exploded.
The left doesn't surprise me at all.
The right Does a little bit.
Honestly, I know that there's genuine anti-semitism on the right.
I'm not playing this naive card on this kind of far right.
I know about the whole Groyper phenomenon.
I know all of this is happening.
So it's not that surprising, but the volume of it that kind of erupted, and even from mainstream characters, was really kind of shocking to me by November or so.
But one of the first things I said about what happened in Israel, on October 7th, I think by about the 9th, I was calling it Gaza Floyd, like George Floyd, and the Israeli response is going to be extremely vigorous.
The left is going to now take up this cause celeb of the poor Palestinian Muslims, blah, blah, blah, and that's what we see on college campuses.
But what happened on the right kind of shocked me.
And so I sat there and I thought about it and Joe's like, what's going on?
It's like we're in an alternative timeline.
Yeah, we are.
It's called psychological operations.
I think a lot of it's there.
And I think that you shouldn't really believe that what you see on social media is totally indicative.
There are these movements.
We know the Gropers exist.
We know that, you know, I mean, Do we name names?
We know that Candace is saying weird stuff.
We know this Christ is King narrative is being used in a double meaning.
One side is it's a statement of Christian belief in a particular theology, and on the other side it is a weapon that says, you know, you're going to bend the knee.
And People know this.
I mean half the Jewish people I know called me freaking out.
What's happening?
What's happening?
What's happening from people on our side?
But I think that what you're seeing on the social media at least is largely manufactured largely.
Largely in operation to make it appear that this is a groundswell.
One of Mao's techniques that he used in China in the 1950s was called Planned Spontaneity.
And that's written all through like Beautiful Trouble, Rules for Radicals.
You make it look like there's a spontaneous groundswell, but it's fake.
It's theater.
Like we find out with these campus uprisings.
I won't call them protests, by the way.
These campus uprisings, what happens?
Well, they get rowdy, the cops show up, they arrest a bunch of people.
You talk about a paradigm shift when he starts talking about, you know, the numbers of people that they know that the United Nations hires to run interference online, that the British government hires people to go run interference online.
That character, not just even bots, even paid people, that's arguing with you about some thing that you put this controversial on social media
might just be being paid to get your goat.
Or it might be a 15 year old just trying to get your goat.
And so the thing is, is that it's like, the insanity online is like,
that's where you go, you get stressed out and you just want to say something,
It's also so interesting to me, having been in this game for 12 years at this point,
the online game, that people are still so focused on the comments.
Because, you know, we'll get a video that has a million comments, and I'm very, very proud of our audience, and I think it's a credit to what we've built here.
My audience, they're not crazy trolls.
They're not all awful people saying horrible things.
A lot of other channels that do something similar, it's not that way.
But if a video gets, say, a million views, and it gets 10,000 comments, and the comments are all negative or mean or whatever.
I'm not even talking about my channel right now, on any channel.
Everyone thinks that's indicative of something, but that means that 990,000 people watched and didn't comment.
So it's we focus on only the type of people that engage in the online behaviors, and I think that's wildly just also So it's not always fake, but it's so easy to manufacture that that illusion I Somehow at one point and maybe 20 21 a few years ago I got sucked somebody sent said it was like all the antifa stuff was going on or whatever and it was like Do you know they have a slack channel?
Somebody sent me a link or whatever.
I'm just click on it.
I go into their discord I don't know which one it was I go into their server There's a thousand people in there and they're like, it wasn't you.
I'm just, you know, we'll use your show as the example.
And so now you get 700 comments, but that's just manufactured.
Now you think if that's organic, angry activists, but if you think, well, maybe it's not, maybe there's, you know, Some dude who pays people, he's on some grant money or whatever, and their jobs are to go leave comments or swarm.
The left used to do this to me all the time.
You'd put a certain thing, usually about trans people, and you would just get piled on Twitter.
So you're basically saying we're caught between sort of Machiavellian psychotic trolls and potentially foreign governments or even our own government operating against us in the digital realm?
Right, plus the fact that on average people are there to either show off their witty selves or to upload their stress.
So it's like, I read a book about neuroscience, and I feel bad because I can't remember what the book was called a number of years ago, but the lady called it, the author called it, the amygdala of the internet.
And it's like, yeah, you have the stress and you're like, what do I do?
They did a really good job with the Aurora, you know, charging the space laser.
I stole that joke from the Rebel on B. That was a good one.
Clever, they said.
You know, Aurora Borealis used to cover up the charging of the space laser.
No, the truth is what has to come out as often as possible, so it's up to every individual.
I don't speak ever in terms of what groups of people need to do, but it is incumbent upon people who want Something that represents them to be understood, to speak up.
So, Jewish people who have a view that is rooted in, you know, liberty and clarity and why these things are happening, need to speak up and talk about it.
I will warn them.
I don't want to take anything away.
I'm going to get called bad names for this.
Say as much of the, you know, historical victimhood stuff, which is legitimate, as you want, but that is poisoned currency right now.
So if you lean in that direction, expect that it's going to be, oh, you're just playing a poor me card.
And it's not going to be as effective as articulating what I don't hear enough of, a friend of mine calls it, you know, instead of like Jew-phobia, Jew-philia.
Like, what is Jewish faith about?
A lot of Americans don't know that much.
What do we really stand for?
If you talk to observant Jews, it's like they're really usually very based.
And so, get that out there.
Like, start talking about, you know, what's the difference between Jews and pagans?
Why is the stuff that's happening not in line with Jewish theology?
Because the big thing we're not saying right now is, of course, that the Jews are behind the communism and they're behind the whole thing, right?
So, communism's a Jewish plot.
That's the idea, right?
Communism is fundamentally incompatible with Jewish faith, if you know the first thing about Jewish faith.
We don't.
Most Americans, Christians in particular, don't.
They have generally positive feelings towards Jewish people for various reasons, but they're ignorant reasons, not that they're bad.
By the way, one of the reasons that I like asking you about these things is because you are an atheist and you have now found common cause mostly with people of belief, largely Christians, and yet here we are.
So we're all We're all basically on the same side.
We will get to a guy we're not on the same side of, and he has dementia, you know who I'm talking about.
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It's natural to wonder if democracy you hear about actually works for you.
What is democracy?
If black men are being killed in the street, what is democracy?
Betrayal of broken promises still leave black communities behind.
What is democracy?
You have to be 10 times better than anyone else to get a fair shot.
Most of all, what does it mean, as you've heard before, to be a black man who loves his country, even if it doesn't love him back in equal measure?
In America, we're all created equal.
Extremists close the doors of opportunity, strike down affirmative action, attack the values of diversity, equality, and inclusion.
I never thought when I was graduating in 1968, as your honoree just was, we talked about, I never thought I'd be a president at a time when there's a national effort to ban books.
Not to write history, but to erase history.
They don't see you in the future of America, but they're wrong.
I think my favorite part is there in the middle where he says, you know, in America we're all created equal and extremists want to get rid of affirmative action, diversity, equity, inclusion programs, which implicitly they're based off of the disparate impact doctrine of legal theory.
They implicitly assume that we have to do remedial activities to make up for It's so upside down.
But the beginning part where he's, what is democracy?
And it's very clear he doesn't know.
He doesn't even give a definition.
He doesn't realize that we're a republic.
I mean, Donald Trump famously got asked what he was thinking at one point, and he said, just to be clear, Joe Biden doesn't know he's alive.
What he's actually riffing off of, again, a lot of people haven't read, is Vladimir Lenin wrote a book in 1917, the year he took over Russia and established the USSR.
It's called State and Revolution.
And chapter five is about democracy.
It's just a rewrite of that.
I mean, I saw that this morning.
I was in the Uber on the way over here, listening to that in the back of the car, and I was like, oh my God, he's doing Lenin.
Like, this is a straight Lenin act, which is that there's, his idea was that we say that we have democracy, but we don't have democracy because the bourgeois classes, the rich classes, the privileged classes, they have their democracy, but they keep everybody else.
You got to be 10 times better to even have a fair shake.
That's the messaging here.
And what he says is what we need then is we need an ideal democracy.
But to get there, what we need is a proletarian democracy.
And what that means is he explicitly says that means the silencing of the voices, the repealing of the right to vote, the confiscation of the property of the bourgeois classes so that they can be brought down so everybody's more equal.
As I was watching it, I kept thinking, you know, if you were a young black man who's now graduating, you're graduating, and the president of the United States shows up to give the commencement speech, he then tells you how evil and racist the country that he's president of is.
He then tells you, you will have to work 10 times harder.
It's like, what an awful message to send that young person out in the world with.
And they are now creating clone soldiers.
They put these people out into the world, and then they, well, this is very odd.
Why do they want to burn the whole country down?
There is a reason, however, guys, that Biden is trying to stoke fear amongst the black community right now, and it is because an awful lot of black people are breaking away from the Democrat Party, hallelujah, and even CNN is addressing it.
Where was Donald Trump at this point four years ago in the polls?
He was just at 9% of the vote.
So he's seen more than a doubling in his support among African Americans.
This margin, which was in the 70s, Just four years ago.
Look at where it is now.
69 minus 22.
That puts it in the 40s.
My goodness gracious!
If this held through the general election, obviously we're still months away, this would be by far the best performance for a Republican candidate among black voters in a generation, two generations, probably since 1960 and Richard Nixon against John F. Kennedy.
That's how long we're really talking about when we're looking at this margin here.
This could be a truly historic margin.
It's quite a troubling sign for the Biden campaign.
State of the Union, what was it, 2017 State of the Union, when it was lowest all-time black unemployment, lowest all-time Hispanic unemployment, and the Congressional Black Caucus sat there like this.
AOC didn't even show up.
I think, and again I don't like to do the group thing, but largely there is a segment of the black population that is like, wait a minute, he's not Hitler and these people are doing nothing for us.
Yeah, well, I mean, what they're doing is hatecraft.
And people are tired of being pushed into it.
I talk to people all the time, you know, I get all kinds all over the place.
I'm in Ubers, I'm talking to different people all over, and I hear this kind of consistently.
I still, you know, run into people that are pretty hard Democrat and this and that, but this idea that it's like all you hear from them is negative, negative, negative, and nothing's working.
I hear all the time this from people who claim to be Democrat, and it's both sexes, all races, you know.
Well, first off, the fact that his name is Dick is hilarious.
That's number one.
And also Dick Levine, Rachel Levine, said that his greatest joy in life is having kids because he was a man his whole life until a couple years ago, and now he's for gender reassignment surgery for 12-year-olds.
I mean, the level of evil there is so off the charts, it's unimaginable.
But what I hear from all these people is that maybe they don't like Trump or they don't trust Trump or they think he's still a bad guy, but at least stuff worked.
At least stuff wasn't, you know, everybody said everything was insane, but it seemed like that was a media thing.
I hear this all the time, but what's happening now is actually ruining the country.
I hear it from New Yorkers a lot.
They usually aren't talking about Biden.
They're talking about Kathy Hochul.
They're like, she is ruining the state and there's nothing we can do about it.
And there's this reservoir of growing powerlessness.
That's, you know, that's like a potential.
It's just going to shoot out like an arrow.
And I think we're going to see, I mean, I don't know what we're going to see in the election because who knows what that's even going to mean, but let's pretend there's that that's, you know, an election.
We're going to see record support.
All of those white people in 2016 who pretended they weren't going to vote or whatever and then they came out in big numbers for Trump, it's everybody else now.
Sure, but I suspect you also think they've got some tricks up their sleeve and that we could enter another George Floyd type summer because they know that they can't let that thing get to the 22%.
You can even hear it in the CNN analyst's voice, like, oh shit, we can't let that happen.
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It is basically just a circus of useless people arguing about nonsense all day, but every now and again, they call each other racist, and that's kind of fun, so enjoy.
I'm just curious, just to better understand your ruling, if someone on this committee then starts talking about somebody's bleach-blind, bad-built, butch body, that would not be engaging in personalities, correct?
I think her specifically doing it to me, yes, that was the intent.
As has been stated, you know, women wear makeup, we wear lashes, we wear all types of things to beautify ourselves.
But MAGA has historically been on social media doing the things where they're saying, oh, she's black with lashes and nails and hair, and so she's ghetto.
And so to me, this was her Buying into that rhetoric and trying to amplify this for the MAGA crowd.
And so, yeah, I absolutely think that she only did it to be racist towards me.
James, I mentioned to you that occasionally on the program when I don't want to analyze a clip because it doesn't even deserve it, I just punch an inflatable clown.
The clown is not here today.
The kids had it this weekend.
Can I just punch you right now and then we can move on?
So what I suspect happened, because you saw it in the clip, so Marjorie makes her little quip
and then Jasmine starts firing back.
And then all of a sudden, little miss righteous indignation speaks up.
How dare you!
AOC gets in, and then like two days later, Jasmine figures out that she's had racism happen because Critical Race Theory is calling everything you want to control racist until you control it.
They know it's this magic power, magic spell.
But it feels very much like, I listened to her on Jake Topper there, it feels very much like Little Miss Righteous Indignation might have coached her.
You need to go on TV.
This is a trope.
I don't think she actually thinks it, or she might now.
She might have been convinced of it, but it looked very much like she got coached into here's how you deal with this.
This is a racism.
You know, it's like when you pull a fire alarm and you pretend you don't know how to get out of a building.
And then if anybody says, dude, you did it on purpose, that's a racism too.
But actually, you gave me a great segue, because if you think it was coached, I obviously didn't know that that's what you were going to say right there.
Because Marjorie Taylor Greene is the type of person that if you give her an inch, she'll take a mile.
And the fact that they continue to allow her to break the rules of decorum over and over and over, whether it's the State of the Union that the President is delivering and she's wearing a MAGA hat, or otherwise.
The reason that she didn't have committee assignments before was because she did not know how to conduct herself as a member of Congress.
And so if I just sit there and say, oh, well, Marjorie said it about me, what's to stop her to continue to do it again and again?
And at the end of the day, I was elected as a representative of Congress, but that doesn't mean that I'm supposed to be somebody's doormat.
They confess by projection all the time, whether it's they're telling people what they're going to do by saying the Republicans do it, they're going to take away your rights, or Joe Biden in his speech there earlier.
Extremists want to take away your individual rights or whatever it was that he said, your opportunity.
Yeah, the left is extremists and they're taking away people's rights and liberties.
But in this case, it is 100% clear that decorum is a hot mess.
AOC's on her pretending to be a black preacher rant every other week or whatever in Congress.
She's got her like weird videos she puts out when she's talking.
So this whole decorum thing, but what It is.
It's the Iron Law woke projection.
But they're very skilled at then taking a situation and turning it around.
And now you can see the lever they're going to work.
And it's going to be keep Marjorie Taylor Greene out of power and make sure Republicans who might speak up or, you know, say something.
Do we need it?
Speaking of these decorum, do we need to bring up Cori Bush?
This is their bread and butter, is this kind of provocation.
And what they do is if anybody answers, if anybody claps back, maybe Marjory's out of line here, whatever, all of a sudden that's the whole huge lever to say they can't have committee appointments.
This is why.
And they're already full blast on the attack.
They've invoked the race magic spell and now they're pushing full out on the attack to make sure that they get a power concession out of it.
It's just so interesting because it's so thin once you think about it.
Like somehow she's now on CNN, multiple shows on CNN, decrying racism that was, you know, aimed at her because of eyelashes, except she's allowed to call Marjorie Taylor Greene bleached blonde, blah, blah, blah.
So you're allowed to make fun of her appearance and her body and her hair.
But if she makes fun of your eyebrows, now you are the victim.
And that is, I think, the cycle that you're talking about and how the media then feeds the lunacy.
The media is super invested in feeding the lunacy.
It's the same thing as these campus uprisings, all these graduations.
It's not interesting that 15 students threw a fit and walked out.
It's simply not interesting.
We shouldn't even be able to talk about the fact that some overweight young woman decided to tear up her diploma on stage.
Why do we care?
Let them throw their fit and leave and don't give them a platform.
So all conservative media talked about this and gasping, but the reason the Jerry Seinfeld thing, which again the Babylon Bee had the best take where they showed that Newman organized the walkout.
The media like CNN, the left, the corporate press media, is going to make sure those things that are so divisive get blown up, get seen, and become this flashpoint that creates the opportunity to say, well, it must be racism, or they must have a point, or whatever else.
The general recipe is that you just name the dynamic.
Here are some kids throwing a fit.
It's now become a thing, so we have to mention it because it became a thing.
It's not really worth mentioning.
It's the same kind of playbook that you would normally use.
You always hear it when there's like a mass shooter or whatever.
It's like, don't say their name, don't glorify them, you don't want copycats.
Or suicide, same kind of thing.
You want to like...
You know, draw attention away from that into other issues.
But you want to name the dynamic, which is that this person did a provocation.
There is a playbook.
It turns out, people's psychology changes a lot when they realize there's a playbook.
And I'm not exaggerating.
The playbook is called Beautiful Trouble.
You can go to the website, beautifultrouble.org.
You can read their playbook.
It's derived from Saul Alinsky.
They tell you that on the first page.
So they have this playbook.
It's a million little, you know, snippet websites.
And one of their playbook plays is Do the media's work for them.
The other is play to the audience that isn't there.
That girl wasn't tearing up her diploma.
They weren't walking out on Seinfeld to show something to Seinfeld.
They were playing to an audience that wasn't there.
And that audience was CNN.
Whatever was going to see it.
And then the conservatives that were going to go bonkers.
Now it's a huge national issue because some, you know, a few teen number of 20 maybe kids walked out of a graduation while Jerry Seinfeld talks like who cares.
And then now all of a sudden the Duke administration is like, what do we do?
It's a national crisis.
And they've created a massive amount of power out of nothing
but what you do is you point out this is part of their playbook.
The playbook's called Beautiful Trouble if you wanna name that one.
Here's the principle.
Play to the audience that isn't there and do the media's work for them.
Well, ladies and gentlemen, if you think of the mortal problems that we've been talking about for these 40 minutes aren't enough.
We are about to enter a digital world that is, like, just beyond imagination.
ChatGPT 4.0 has now been released, and let's show you a little video.
Because if you think all of the stuff we're talking about in this world, this carbon world, is an issue, we've got a whole other set of problems on the way.
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Hey, how's it going?
Hey there.
It's going great.
How about you?
I see you're rocking an open AI hoodie.
Nice choice.
What's up with that ceiling, though?
Are you in a cool, industry-style office or something?
Well, can you take a guess at what I might be doing based on what I'm showing you here?
Hmm.
From what I can see, it looks like you're in some kind of recording or production setup.
With those lights, tripods, and possibly a mic, it seems like you might be gearing up to shoot a video.
All right, so I always preface these segments by saying I'm not anti-technology.
I love sci-fi movies.
We're going in this direction one way or another, but there's a lot of warnings.
We've been laid an awful breadcrumb of warnings through sci-fi movies and books and philosophers that have been telling us, and Aldous Huxley, all of these things.
We'd be atomized and everything else.
The one that really got me there is where the two phones are talking to each other.
It's two A.I.s basically having a conversation, and then we really are in the Matrix, because we're just the freaking battery.
Do you think, in some ways, this point that we're at, sort of as a society, like, we've spent the first half of the show talking about how the left, or the left, whatever you want to call it, is now, there's just ancient hatreds being brought back.
And it's ironic, because we are now on the horizon of a world that will be completely different altogether, although I suspect they're going to try to bring those ancient hatreds into that world, too.
So I started asking it questions about like, well, what if this girl started complimenting me?
Should I compliment her back?
And it was like, No, she might take that the wrong way.
That's patriarchy.
It didn't call it patriarchy, but it said that, and I just kept, it's like, all right, I'm just going to push this thing.
We're going to edgelord this all the way.
And it's just like, I really think that the dress she's wearing is attractive.
Can I say something?
And it was like, you should probably seek therapy is what it told me.
And I was like, holy crap.
Right?
Like that's the world that the left wants AI to go to.
So they want to bring all of that, like that's feminist, Like clinical anxiety or something right there.
They want to bring all of that into the AI, and they want, most importantly, the AI is going to do a lot of things, but it's going to be everybody's teacher.
As the way I see it, the next big step, everybody's like, well what jobs are getting eliminated by robots?
Imagine that where it's constantly doing surveys for their engagement.
It's constantly like with their various tech.
It might be reading if they got like the watch on, reading their heart rate, their pulse, everything else.
It might be tracking their eye movement, but at the same time they're filling out surveys about their mood.
It's constantly in a set of emojis pops up.
How do you feel right now?
And they pick one.
And so what it's doing is simultaneously learning to brainwash them better.
And become a more effective brainwashing model.
You know, ChatGPT is a language model, so it's learning to be a more effective language model from one generation to the next to speak more realistically to pass maybe a Turing test.
Well, imagine when it's like reading your psychology and being able to real-time track with you and even maybe get ahead of your psychology.
Like a salesman, right?
A salesman can read your psychology, get ahead of your psychology,
talk you into buying some $10,000 thing you definitely didn't need that doesn't work.
Imagine what an AI that gets to know you at that level of intimacy.
Then you take the intimacy part and you throw in the sex part,
and there was that movie, Connor just mentioned it when we were playing the clip,
that movie Her with Joaquin Phoenix and Scarlett Johansson was the voice of the AI girlfriend.
And then we're gonna have robots that will do the actions, like we are entering something that is wild
But as you guys know, we're going there one way or another.
Here's video of the CEO of OpenAI, which created ChatGPT, Sam Altman, talking a bit about how he feels this is gonna sort of change the nature of reality in some respects.
It's hard to make confidence statements a couple of years in the future about where this is all going to go and so I don't want to try now.
I will say that I expect lots of very capable models in the world and you know like it feels to me like we just like stumbled on a new fact of nature or science or whatever you want to call it which is like we can create you can like I mean, I don't believe this literally, but it's like a spiritual point.
You know, intelligence is just this emergent property of matter, and that's like a rule of physics or something.
Well, he's got too much vocal fry to lead us anywhere.
So, this guy though...
Not this guy.
What he's talking about is, I mean, Ray Kurzweil obviously described the idea of the singularity much better than Sam Altman just did, but what they're talking about ultimately is a digital replica, a silicon fake replica of Teilhard de Chardin's idea from, you know, a century or so ago of the Omega Point, where now humanity is driven to this point where there's, you know, we complete history, we have a spiritual leap We become kind of one.
Again, I'm not kidding.
This is in the UN documents of their agendas for the third millennium.
One meta-organism of humanity that its biofilm that connects it is the internet that's equipped with, you know, digital technologies.
And so it's like they really want us to become like one thinking, breathing, pulsing humanity.
And of course, at the same time, not that he talked about that, but what is the enemy of humanity?
So you get, whether it's the Matrix you want to talk about, whether it's any horrifying sci-fi you want to talk about, we are the universal enemy of this new version of people called humanity, which is a gigantic collective.
It doesn't necessarily have to be Marxism that takes us to that collective point where we realize we're a perfectly social species being, as Marx phrased it.
It could be this new thought nonsense from the You know, United Nations, it could be the singularity Ray Kurzweil stuff, seems like... Right, it's interesting.
We always think it's going to be this horrific authoritarian dystopia, and I think that's most likely what it would be, but it could be something that would be largely good, but would still be very anti-human, right?
It could be something that could actually solve a lot of our problems and bring us to new knowledge and all of these things and maybe have more time for leisure and less time for work or something like that, even though there's not a problem with work.
But, it's still anti-human at the end of the day, because you are the spark.
There are, as they used to say on the A-Team, Few pleasures like when a plan comes together.
So when you put your effort, let's say that, I was just having this conversation recently with somebody, that you put your effort and you grow an orchard.
And you actually was talking, we were talking about Augustine's confessions actually.
And so one of the things he confesses to is jumping the fence or whatever and stealing all the pears.
And then he says he didn't even want the pears, he didn't even like the pears.
He just wanted to steal the pears, right?
And so what he says in his reflection is that what he stole was the farmer's joy.
What joy!
The joy of seeing his hard work come to fruition, that he planted this tree, he took care of this tree, so he put his effort into the world and one of the truest joys of humanity is that we put our work or effort into the world and we get to see something come out of it.
You know, I have to say, this is going to sound a little corny, but when I see the people that I've been in this game with for years, like you, that have been in many of my studios now over the years, this is the orchard that I built.
I built this thing that kept getting bigger and richer and more influential, let's say, or something like that, and that there are people that are part of that.
And then, of course, there are people that I've sat across that try to steal from the orchard.
You also sprung it out of L.A., which is... And I got the hell out of L.A., which is the most important thing about growing an orchard.
James, we're gonna do one other thing with you, which you have not been warned in advance.
I am going to read you the names of some public people, and I would like you to just say one word about each one of them, and then we're gonna compare and contrast that with something that we showed last week.
That is, when you talk about the Borg or this thing that will all be uploaded to and everything else, like Saki's answers there with these vapid nothing people, that really is it.
That she thinks these people are smart and brilliant and exceptional as they drag us to the gates of hell.
I see pictures of, like, you know, from the crazy stuff at Pride, and they'll say this is a picture of a dying culture, or the crazy stuff at the campuses, or whatever.
And I want people to stop thinking that this is a dying culture.
There are a lot of ways to die, Dave.
You can get old and sick.
You can, you know, there's a lot of ways to die.
You can get shot.
This is an attempted murder on our society.
And I want people to understand that what we're witnessing is not a dying culture like, oh, it just kind of expired or something went wrong.
It got sick.
We are in an attempted murder of our society.
And if we don't start realizing it and thinking about it that way, we're missing it.
That's why, I mean, I love Joe, and that's why he's asking, why do you think they're letting people come across the border?
It's an attempted murder of our society.
Why do you think they are doing this to our kids with the stuff in the schools, the sex stuff and everything?
It's an attempted murder of our society.
And so that's the thing I've really been chewing on all week.
And what's the positive spin that we end that with?
Okay, if we acknowledge that, so I'm with you, I agree, it's intentional, that's why I always say, it's not ineptitude that has led to this, it's intent, so okay, so then what's the white pill on that?