Dave Rubin hosts Alex Stein and Adam Sosnick to critique Charlamagne Tha God's script attacking DEI, which Rubin counters with over 900 studies contrasting the approach with failed initiatives like D.A.R.E. The panel mocks late-night hosts for partisan bias regarding Donald Trump and the Biden administration's handling of scandals, while Sosnick challenges Stein's election fraud claims about mail-in voting. Ultimately, the discussion highlights deep cultural fractures in American media and politics, questioning whether celebrity endorsements and divisive rhetoric are eroding democratic trust. [Automatically generated summary]
I'm Dave Rubin, and joining me today is an all-white panel.
Very exciting.
We've got host of PRIMETIME with Alex Stein on Blaze TV, Alex Stein, as well as host of SauceCast and the co-host of the PBD podcast over at Valuetainment, Adam Sosnick.
I know you had both requested to be with other white people on the show today, and that's why we set this up this way, and I think that'll kind of... It's a DEI reverse dress code.
We're gonna talk about racism and stuff and as it pertains to the mainstream media and the quote-unquote comedians who are pushing this stuff down our throats all the time.
So as you guys know, The Daily Show is now back.
It is only a once-a-week show, even though they keep calling it The Daily Show, and it doesn't really matter who's sitting in the chair, because they just hand them a script and they just read the script.
So Jon Stewart is back on The Daily Show, but Charlemagne the God, I have trouble calling anyone God, so his name is Leonard McAuley, He is guest hosting this week, or he guest hosted this week's show on Monday, and he seems to be, he's like kind of getting it about DEI and also not getting it at all.
We're gonna show you a couple clips here, including one where he called me racist.
Me, Dave Rubin, racist.
But here's the first clip where he's sort of, sort of getting it on DEI.
First off, I just want to reiterate the point that he's just reading a script.
He's the guest host of a show where they hand him a script.
These are not ideas coming out of his brain.
I don't know that they would have given that exact script to Jon Stewart because they do believe in this neo-racism.
But Alex, let me start with you here.
He kind of gets it, that DEI doesn't actually work, and yet he also, and we're going to play some other clips, seems to think that people who don't believe in it are racist.
Well, but I mean, he does make a good point that when you make everything about race and gender, that is inherently racist.
I mean, when you separate us by race, so it's just like, uh, I forget what social experiment they did was that they went to a school and they said, should there be a special water fountain for black people?
And all the black people were like, Oh yes, that would be great.
But that shows you that's dumb because that goes back to the whole reason for the civil rights movement is so that we wouldn't be separated into groups.
So, you know, it's, it's very hypocritical, but the left is the most hypocritical people on the planet.
I don't know that it would be based on race, but just a water fountain with Hawaiian Punch would be pretty good.
Adam, this endless confusion about DEI, on one hand sort of saying it's bad, you don't get the results you want, but on the other hand saying it's good because, you know, we're thinking about race more.
So, the most ironic part of this is You know, there's been a resurgence with The Daily Show now with the re-emergence of Jon Stewart, but one could argue that The Daily Show hired Trevor Noah as a DEI hire.
It was horrible to watch.
And look, we're all comedians, former comedians.
I've spent time with Trevor Noah.
Talented guy.
Not exactly who we need to be commenting on American politics and society.
DEI hire right there.
So, the conversation of meritocracy versus a DEI hire is in full effect on The Daily Show.
So, but I will give Charlamagne Tha God credit.
He's built up a following, immense following on The Breakfast Club and I actually would give him kudos for putting in the work and getting to where he's at based on merit.
I want a transgender surgeon on, you know, ten different antidepressants to do my gender reassignment surgery.
No, I mean, you know, the ludicrous thing about Charlemagne than God is that is kind of funny, but he makes a racial joke at the end of it, making fun of black people for always getting pulled over.
So it's just kind of, like I said to the beginning, very hypocritical.
And, you know, Dave, you're not racist for pointing out that you want to live in a meritocracy and not a place where You know, you get chosen or get a job because of the color of your skin or your gender.
There's also a certain irony here because in the first clip we showed you, he said that the results of DEI don't work because he's saying there aren't more black executives at these companies.
And at the same time, the line he said, talking about me, is that DEI gives racist people cover.
But again, I don't want to discriminate against Asian kids who are trying to get into Harvard.
That is not racist.
But should we show you one more thing from The Daily Show?
It's great that they brought this thing back.
Corporate America bringing back comedy.
It's fantastic.
But as I said, they're a little confused.
Like sometimes they kind of get it right on DEI and sometimes they kind of get it wrong.
They did air this compilation of DEI woke advertisements and I'll let you make your own judgment call.
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So they showed that compilation to show how cringy all of these things are.
I know when I'm having my Froot Loops in the morning, I'm always thinking about whether it was a black man or a white man or an Asian trans lesbian who boxed the freaking thing.
Sosnik, help me with this one, because it is the anti-racists who have taken Aunt Jemima, everyone loved Aunt Jemima, they took her out of the stores, she's off the shelves, and they got rid of Uncle Ben, and the Lando Lakes girl.
So they've taken all of the people of color off the thing, so now only white people can be on boxes, and they did that in the name of anti-racism.
So, but there's what I've realized, and look, I'm a Miami Beach nightlife guy, got into finance, who got into podcasting with PBD.
I wasn't in this DEI, ESG, woke, racist agenda.
This wasn't my world.
I got thrusted into it.
I'm a very common sense individual, and I'm sitting here being like, "What is happening all around me?"
But there's corrections and then there's over-corrections.
So like, as an example, in Hollywood, we start to see things like Snow White and the Seven Dwarves
because they have quotas and basically boxes they need to check,
the Seven Dwarves can't even be dwarves these days.
Now you need to have a tall dwarf and a black dwarf and a gay dwarf and just a regular, and a woman.
So it's like, it's counterproductive to what is actually should be going on.
Look, I'm all for lifting people up.
So as an example, my father was a handicapped businessman.
He had cerebral palsy.
So he was given opportunities To basically start a business and ingratiate himself with the community and he was given funding to hire other handicapped individuals.
Alright, let's jump over to some other comedy, again quote-unquote comedy related things, because Stephen Colbert, who's basically just a DNC activist, he's a Democrat activist at this point, he doesn't like this Trump guy and he goes on his show every night to make fun of Donald Trump and alienate half the country and I guess get paid handsomely for it.
They throw fish at them so that they applaud properly and all that stuff.
But Adam, you're a money guy.
You focus on how to build wealth and all of that stuff.
Donald Trump, whether people like him or not, and you're not or at least haven't been a huge Trump guy over the years, this resentment over, let's even remove Trump for a second, this resentment against billionaires and people that create and people that are successful, it strikes me as extremely, extremely dangerous because eventually you do string these people up.
And I was sick of being broke and living on my friend's couches.
And I said, let me get into finance and make some money.
And when I made some money, I circled back, opened up a comedy club in Miami, which led to getting back on stage, which led to podcasting, which led to social media, which led to PBD.
So here's the problem with what's going on with late night comedy.
Whether it's Colbert, who I think is actually super talented, despite all the vaccine dances that he does.
You could talk about that.
Kimmel, not as talented.
Fallon, super talented.
The essence of comedy, and you know this, Dave, is misdirection.
You saw something coming, or you didn't see it coming.
Boom, he hit you out of nowhere.
Oh my God, I didn't see that coming.
The problem with the late night comedy these days is you know where the joke is headed.
You know that Trump is going to be the punchline, and it's not funny.
So from a comedic standpoint, I just can't take it.
And I want to give a shout out to SNL.
Like my little brother, who I found when he was 19, is Marcelo Hernandez, amazing comedian.
He's one of the new stars of SNL.
They've realized they can't keep doubling down on the anti-Trump rhetoric.
They can't.
At some point, like from a business perspective, like Dave, you said, they're alienating half the country.
It's OK to be anti-Trump if you're these people, but you can't be every anti-Trump voter.
And that's the problem.
Supply and demand.
Last point.
That's why Greg Gutfeld, who's arguably the least talented, the least funny, the least hilarious guy on late night.
Stein, well actually that's a great point for you because you take the opposite approach as it pertains to politics in your comedy and who you're talking to and the rest of it.
Is part of that just calculated market share, like in the Gutfeld sense in a way?
Well, I guess, but really what makes me so mad about seeing this clip is, and I talked about Howard Stern earlier, Howard Stern's the best example, that he used to kiss Donald Trump's ass.
He used to be, oh, Mr. Trump, oh, please come on my show, call in.
He would roll the red carpet out for Donald Trump.
And as soon as he, you know, ran for president, all of these celebrities, every single rapper that would rap about Trump, that kissed Trump's ass, all of a sudden hated him.
So these people don't have a thought for themselves.
Stephen Colbert, he couldn't say what he wanted.
If he did say, "Oh, people are getting myocarditis from the vaccine," he's not allowed to say that.
He's not allowed to say what he probably really feels.
So whether they're talented or not, they are a deep state mouthpiece.
And that's why the humor sucks, because it's just not funny
when they're just attacking one person and not being self-deprecating, not making fun of Joe Biden,
not talking about how Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton are going to Epstein Island
and doing Lord knows what with children.
You know, I mean, make fun of that.
That's what's funny.
That's what I make fun of.
But you'll never hear that from a real mainstream media late night host when that's what's actually funny is talking about what's really happening behind the scenes.
And, you know, why don't they talk about Joe Biden?
His diary is taking showers with his daughter.
I mean, these people would say, oh, well, that's I think the Krasinski brothers said, oh, well, a lot of pediatricians would approve young children showering with their dad.
I don't know if that's true or not, but if you're the president and your daughter's writing about how she felt uncomfortable taking showers with you, maybe we should look into that or at least lampoon it and bring attention to it.
And that's what I try to do, Dave, is I'm not even trying to make you agree with me.
I'm not trying to make you like Trump.
But I want you to ask questions.
I almost try to be purposely confusing in my content to try to make people think, is this real?
So I fully agree with Alex that if you're only making fun of one side and completely Missing the obvious hilarity that's going on on the left, it's not common anymore.
It's, um, you're just a mouthpiece for the left, deep state.
To illustrate both of your points quite brilliantly, here is Dave Rubin, who's fantastic, by the way, on Bill Maher's Club Random podcast about a year ago.
We're supposed to put everybody to bed or whatever it is.
PBD, a man of morals, a man of conviction, a man of principle, he's like, no, can't be bought.
Okay, maybe you're one of the few, maybe you're an exception.
PBD, obviously he's made Hundreds of millions of dollars he's done his thing.
At the end of the day, when someone dangles a paycheck or access or status or wealth or opportunity, You're going to sign on that dotted line for whatever the number is and you're going to say whatever the machine or the message wants you to say.
I want to show you guys one other clip from late night quote unquote comedy because this is Jimmy Kimmel and Adam, you mentioned how they basically just say the same things and there's no misdirection and the audience just, you know, they're just like robots.
One of my most viral videos on my YouTube channel was a guy hitting on a transgender, and I went up to him and I was like, you know that's transgender?
And the guy had no idea.
I'll send it to you.
It's just, it's hard to tell, especially if you've had six beers, seven beers, and somebody's skinny and they have fake boobs.
I mean, what the hell?
Anything can happen.
Next thing you know, you're with a sweet Filipino girl.
She takes off her dress and she's got hanging Wang.
You know, it's, it can, it happens to the best of us.
Well, let me tell ya, you know, in comedy, set up, punchline, you couldn't have set me up for a better story than this because Born and raised in Miami, been in the scene forever.
My friends throw an event every year, it was just this past weekend, called Model Volleyball.
And I have the challenging, difficult job of interviewing all the hottest, top models in Miami.
And this is sort of like, maybe like a metaphor for where we're at politically and as a culture.
Joe Biden, who literally is a Catholic and goes to church every Sunday, from what I understand, this is the difference in the messenger and the message.
He is part of the woke, transgender, DEI crowd, whereas Trump, who, for all intents and purposes, would rather be on a golf course, hanging out with chicks, doing modeling things like that with Melania, is selling Bibles to evangelicals Completely different narratives.
And, you know, it's kind of like one is old and effective and compassionate, has a heart
and really cares about people, and one is old and has been charged with 91 felonies.
I don't understand why this is even a hard choice, really.
I don't understand it.
But we have to go through the election and hopefully people will realize what's at stake because it's an existential question.
What kind of country we're going to have?
What kind of democracy we're going to have?
And people who blow that off are not paying attention because it's not like Trump, his enablers, his empowerers, his allies are not telling us what they want to do.
I mean, they're pretty clear about what kind of country they want.
Alex, when Johnny Carson hosted The Tonight Show, he brought on people of every walk of life, of every political stripe, ethnicity, religion, blah, blah, blah.
That would be great to call Hillary Clinton out on her history of people dying, literally, so many close acquaintances.
But one thing about Hillary Clinton people don't talk about is when she was Secretary of State, she was in charge of killing Muammar Gaddafi in Libya, and now Libya is the only place on earth right now where there's an actual slave trade.
There's still slavery going on.
And this is a decision she made, and not one of these pundits would ever say, hey, what's going on with the slave trade in Libya?
Because once Muammar Gaddafi was running the place, they didn't have slavery.
Actually, you know, the citizens actually rated the place decent.
So my point is, she's an actual evil murderer, and I wouldn't even be surprised.
I would go so far as saying, the rumors of her drinking blood from children, and probably you're right!
I mean, I have no evidence.
Obviously, that's a conspiracy, but she's so evil and sadistic, I would not be surprised.
No, I love talking about the hit list from Hillary Clinton.
That's like my favorite thing ever.
But full disclosure, my best friend, one of my two or three closest best friends, was her South Florida campaign finance director, and I had the opportunity to meet Hillary.
I made it out alive, all good.
But where I'm at politically, I think is I'm very, I have the ability to see both sides, say when both sides are doing the good thing or a bad thing and sort of calling balls and strikes.
Not that you're hiring me as a ref or an umpire, but could you, Hillary, listen to me, Hillary, Hillary, could you be any more out of touch and completely lacking any sort of social cognitive grace How do you not understand why it's a hard choice?
He said, it's not even a hard choice.
You lost because you didn't read the room.
Trump beat you because you called half the country deplorable.
You're basically saying he's an existential threat.
The definition of existential is the ability to exist.
I think we have four years of evidence that Trump has existed.
The country existed.
It's just so laughable that she just doesn't get it.
more Trump derangement syndrome than her.
Last point, it just goes to show the movable middle, which you talk about quite often, Dave, right?
The disaffected liberals.
I don't know if you heard what The Rock said today.
He said, "There's no chance I'm voting for Biden."
We know that Joe Rogan, biggest podcaster in the world, was a Bernie guy six years ago, eight years ago.
No chance he's voting for Biden.
Elon Musk, definitely not a Trump guy.
Now he's definitely not a Biden guy.
Even Michael Rappaport, which you saw, I saw the reaction that you did.
There's a lot of common sense people that are like, I wasn't on the Trump train, but whatever this Biden debacle is, I'm happy to jump back on the Trump train.
I'm an optimistic guy, and I believe we can get better.
The endorsement that I made years ago with Biden was what I thought was the best decision for me at that time.
And I thought back then, when we talk about, hey, you know, I'm in this position where I have some influence and it's my job then, I felt like that then, it's my job now to exercise my influence and share with this is who I'm going to endorse.
Alex, to Adam's previous point about these people waking up that are definitely not MAGA people, but the Rogans and the Elon Musks, and now The Rock, and And even Adam himself and guys like me who certainly aren't traditional conservatives.
You think Trump can bring a bunch of these people truly to the promised land or do you think they end up either not voting?
You know, a guy like Rogan, do you think he'll just not vote again or maybe support an RFK, something like that?
Like, what do you think gets them there if that's where they're supposed to get?
Well, I'll say this much, you know, I believe Donald Trump's not perfect, you know, the way he handled COVID.
There's some criticisms, January 6th.
But at the end of the day, I think Trump is the actual populist candidate.
And I believe these celebrities would fit in that category.
But the thing is, The Rock, I loved him as a kid.
He was a great wrestler.
But when he was on Joe Rogan's podcast, he didn't even understand how many billions of dollars we were giving the Ukraine to fight Russia.
So this guy claims that he wants to be involved in politics, but he doesn't even know anything about the geopolitical money laundering scheme that's going on that involves the president's son.
So I don't really put my hope and prayers into politicians or celebrities, because idolizing a politician or celebrity is like thinking the stripper actually likes you.
We jumped ahead on that rock clip because you mentioned it, but this is Stephen A, a guy who you sat down with on the PBD podcast last week, Adam, referencing what Hillary said in the clip that we showed you just a moment ago.
I don't think it was a very wise statement on her part.
How did that work out for her in 2016?
I think that's something that we have to recognize.
Yes, she won the popular vote, but at the end of the day, she wasn't the President of the United States.
It was him.
You can look at her not campaigning in Wisconsin in the last days, not campaigning in Pennsylvania in the last days.
You can look at some of the stuff that they were saying about her that sort of distracted things from where it should have been in terms of Comey and his report from the FBI.
You can bring up a whole bunch of things, but at the end of the day, the last thing you need to do Is to do anything that could agitate a potential voter in this particular election.
This is the billion dollar question, so to speak, or, you know, the amount of money they're going to be spending on advertising for the campaigns, the hundred billion dollar question.
By the way, just a little callback, fun fact, there is Like we talked about DEI at the beginning.
I think that we're going to probably get a similar result.
As much as I want Donald Trump to be president, I think it's going to be probably Joe Biden, and they're going to use some sort of way to make him win.
And by the way, even if there isn't fraud per se, it still leaves us in this weird situation that we're referencing, where all of these people want to leave the Democrat party, but seem to be unable to get through the force field around Trump, which is exactly what he just laid out there.
I have to give my, I've agreed with Alex on everything so far, but I have to give me a little pushback on this one, despite you being 6'4 and good looking and a stud.
The problem with pushing that narrative, we've seen a case example of telling voters, "Don't
And like I said, I thought the election Was stolen.
I mean, that just is what it is.
And I think they can steal it again.
They've been stealing elections in foreign countries for years.
The CIA, they don't care about the president because they know that the president is only going to be the president for four to eight years.
The CIA is going to be there forever.
So if you know that the deep state exists, which I think you do, I think that they have more power and control than the president or the voters, sadly.