Nov. 16, 2023 - Rubin Report - Dave Rubin
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| For those red tents for the socialist party here, kind of give you the story. | ||
| The old saying is the issue is never the issue. | ||
| The issue is always the revolution. | ||
| So they see an energy that's built up. | ||
| That's mad at something that's going to throw off Western civilization. | ||
| And they say, Hey, those are our people. | ||
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All right, James, Lindsay, here we go again. | |
| You were on my show just a few weeks ago, so I am completely jumping over your intro here, and I'm going to start by throwing to a video that you put up on Twitter from two days ago at one of the protests in London. | ||
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in, let's take a look. | |
| Look at you, walking through a Hamas rally. | ||
| How about that? | ||
| Yeah, well the wrong way. | ||
| That was pretty wild. | ||
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Right, not walking with a Hamas rally, walking into a Hamas rally. | |
| Straight into. | ||
| Literally, right down the middle of the strand. | ||
| I had to go that way. | ||
| I wasn't being defiant to be defiant. | ||
| I had to go that way. | ||
| And they were in my way, so I just went the way I wanted to go. | ||
| Do you think it's a fair estimation for me to call it a Hamas rally and not a pro Palestine rally or something like that. | ||
| I do not make the distinction, because I don't see anyone there making the distinction, so I'm letting them answer it for me. | ||
| Yeah, I would think that's probably right. | ||
| It was a very confused rally, as well, and a very opportunistic situation. | ||
| Every tube stop, there was red tents set up for the Socialist Workers' Party of the UK, handing out propaganda saying that it's a communist movement, and I have a lot of it. | ||
| So, and I put something on Twitter, I'm not exaggerating, that literally this is you know the socialist infitada or whatever which means coming soon i looked it up it means shaking off in arabic like a dog shaking off water so they're going to shake off the existing society or in in the middle east or shake off israel and so i would say that that's right though and what was it 100 i heard 150 i've heard a hundred thousand people and it was it was quite | ||
| Quite the energy. | ||
| What do you make of this bizarre alliance? | ||
| Obviously, from an American perspective, you've been uncovering and unmasking the Marxists and the far-left lunatics and all of this stuff. | ||
| You've been doing this for a long, long time now. | ||
| Now, it seems to have this connection with the Islamists, which has given it some kind of hyper fuel. | ||
| Yeah, well, um, there's, there's a number of things and we talked, you know, the other day, we can talk about it again, about the deeper intellectual currents they share in common. | ||
| But for those, those red tents for the socialist party here, kind of give you the story. | ||
| The old saying is the issue is never the issue. | ||
| The issue is always the revolution. | ||
| So they see an energy that's built up, that's mad at something that's going to throw off Western civilization. | ||
| And they say, Hey, those are our people. | ||
| And that's, that's the simplest thing. | ||
| And. | ||
| Opportunistically, they show up and they, you know, this is really a communist thing and handing out communist propaganda. | ||
| I've talked to a number of communists. | ||
| We're very nice people, but seemed a bit confused. | ||
| What did, when you talk to these people, and I'm not talking about the actual Islamists that are there, but when you talk to just like the communist kid or whatever that's there, like what do they think they are doing? | ||
| They are throwing off years and years and years of oppression, of oppressive systems that keep people down that, you know, whether they're racist, whether they're xenophobic, whether there's, I guess there's queers for Palestine, so queer phobic or transphobic or whatever phobic. | ||
| That's buildings to throw people off in Gaza right now. | ||
| Turns out that they have taken some of them down in a, you know, uncontrolled demolition. | ||
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Right. | |
| But with these marks, it's the kids that you're talking about. | ||
| I say they're kids, but it's mostly in their 20s or something. | ||
| They're mostly upper middle class British people, right? | ||
| The accents were upper middle class British accents pretty much across the board. | ||
| And it was mostly young, very young people who you would expect to see over at the London School of Economics. | ||
| Probably they matriculated over. | ||
| Lots and lots and lots of Irish. | ||
| Somebody mentioned that they were being flown in from Belfast and then older | ||
| ladies with kind of you know a middle-class accent as well would | ||
| represent the Socialists but I think they were there largely opportunistically. | ||
| The Muslims I think are not going to be as friendly to their vision as they | ||
| might hope and it's not gonna see solidarity at all. | ||
| I think that actually happened in one of the countries in the Middle East. | ||
| They paired up with the socialists, they get the revolution, and then the Muslims told the socialists, you can choose Islam or death, and there's no socialism there. | ||
| Right, I mean, they just get beheaded a little bit later. | ||
| Yeah, right. | ||
| I mean, that seems to be it. | ||
| What do you, did you talk to any of the Islamists? | ||
| I did not. | ||
| They, you know, they didn't seem very interested in conversation. | ||
| And like I said, I literally was just trying to go down the street the other way to get to, well, as it turns out, the London School of Economics is where we were headed to go see it and see the upside down globe, the world turned upside down. | ||
| Kind of symbolism there. | ||
| It's a socialist institution. | ||
| Um, we were, we were trying to make our way over and see some of the, the darker sites of London. | ||
| Uh, but I didn't speak with them. | ||
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No. | |
| So look, you're, you're an ideas guy. | ||
| You've been trying to uncover a lot of this for a long time and you, and you've done it quite well, but now that you're seeing it on the router, we're seeing it in all of these other Western societies. | ||
| What are some of the things we can do to reverse it? | ||
| I mean, that's what I've been asking several of the guests so far. | ||
| I don't know that anyone's had like the fully right answer other than kind of expose it and | ||
| well there is I mean it does start with expose and explain exposing and explaining are the number | ||
| one as far as the Marxist takeover there's an old saying that the Marxist fear is nothing more than | ||
| exposure um even more than death and so exposure matters explaining what's going on and why it's | ||
| going on matters but one thing that the conservatives are very bad at is parlaying | ||
| that into the next step of action as far as things go so Bud Light that got exposed | ||
| They exposed themselves, really. | ||
| Embarrassed themselves. | ||
| They get hit with a multi-billion dollar, you know, boycott. | ||
| And then what happened? | ||
| Bill Gates bought a bunch of their stock? | ||
| Womp womp, like what happened? | ||
| At no point was there a Senate Judiciary Committee or Oversight Committee saying, calling these CEOs and saying, what led you to make this decision? | ||
| Was it just virtue signaling? | ||
| Did you really believe in it? | ||
| Did somebody have a financial gun to your head and tell you you have to? | ||
| Because that's a very interesting story and that passes the buck up the chain. | ||
| And that's not happening. | ||
| We're not taking the next steps. | ||
| So we've got to do a lot more of that. | ||
| The underground journalism expose, explain, motivate, get parents going, organized, that all matters. | ||
| But what they've also got to do, again, is take the next step. | ||
| What's the next step? | ||
| Well, our main blockade in many cases that people are discovering is that the Republican Party is not as collaborative in stopping woke as we would hope. | ||
| So it's about time for people to start taking over local Republican parties. | ||
| Those are achievable targets. | ||
| Even in Connecticut, they're doing it, which is like the most law, the constitution state. | ||
| What's going on? | ||
| They are organizing and it doesn't take very many numbers. | ||
| They've taken over Greenwich, which is like a leftist bastion. | ||
| And they organize and they realize that at the meetings where, say, the Republican Party chair for the township or district or county or whatever, that not very many people show up to the meetings where those chairs and those other officials are elected. | ||
| So they're getting a few dozen or maybe a few score people together and showing up to the meeting and voting their people in. | ||
| Then guess what? | ||
| Now they have a lever over the state RNC because they have somebody that's the seat at the table. | ||
| And this is a replicable model that can happen everywhere. | ||
| So you can start taking back power or the Republican Party locally to get the rhinos out, to get these kind of complicit or fearful or clueless or feckless or corrupt politicians out of these seats and start putting in people | ||
| who want to put a stop to this stuff, who will make the policy differences, who will be the sand | ||
| in the gears on the committee that makes it so the left doesn't just have a free march through | ||
| the institutions even further. | ||
| And it's working where people are doing it. Let's back up for a second, because one of the | ||
| things that I'm noticing, and I see this in the video that you posted and from what we're seeing | ||
| now at College Campus at Ebro, is the way they're weaponizing our freedoms against us, the way | ||
| way they're using free speech against. | ||
| The same people who last year were afraid of microaggressions, and if, you know, scary James Lindsay showed up to campus, are now calling for You know, from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free, which is coded genocide. | ||
| Can you talk a little bit about how they use, how they weaponize our freedoms against us and then how they use language in a very bizarre way so that the people who should be defending free speech, guys like us, are also trying to expose how they're using free speech against us. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I mean, that's, that's how they operate. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But just to be real clear about the, the slogan from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free of what? | ||
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Jews. | |
| It will be free of Jews. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| It's a call for genocide. | ||
| If you read the Hamas charter, it's not ambiguous on what it's calling for. | ||
| And I've heard that the Arabic is slightly different. | ||
| It's from water to water, Palestine will be Muslim, which tells you something a little bit different. | ||
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Does it? | |
| Well, it answers the question. | ||
| Free of what? | ||
| Free of what? | ||
| And so it answers that question. | ||
| So let's not be ambiguous about what they're calling for. | ||
| And then of course, some people were unhappy with this. | ||
| So what did they reply with? | ||
| Academic freedom, free speech. | ||
| This is a free speech institution. | ||
| We have, you know, oh, all of a sudden. | ||
| The same people who for years now have been trying to silence us. | ||
| The same people who were firing people over, I don't remember, I don't know if you remember the the communications professor who was explaining that in China there's a word for when you can't remember the word. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Which I'll say because it's Chinese is nega nega nega. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well you can hear what it sounds like. | ||
| So they thought well somebody might think he's trying to say a racial slur so they got him fired. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| They were that stupidly sensitive to free speech So what do we do with that as the defenders of free speech? | ||
| you know, mere months ago. | ||
| In fact, probably until October 6th. | ||
| And then the second, they started running their mouths, and as they would call it, accountability and consequences | ||
| started to come their way. | ||
| No, no, no, no, no, we need our free speech, we need our free speech. | ||
| And of course, what they mean by free speech is there's no accountability for them, | ||
| but there will be accountability for everybody else. | ||
| So what do we do with that? | ||
| As the defenders of free speech, what do we do with that, knowing what they are doing? | ||
| Well, the answer is, we saw the answer in the 1960s in the south at the lunch counters. | ||
| You speak freely and then you take the consequences and then you make a lot of noise about the consequences. | ||
| People have got to stop being afraid of the consequences. | ||
| They've got to stop being afraid of making a sacrifice. | ||
| I was writing over here the best talk I've heard at the conference so far was the cabbie. | ||
| Well, no, that's not true. | ||
| Jordan spoke this morning. | ||
| It was beautiful. | ||
| But besides Jordan, Was the cabbie on the right over here from downtown last night. | ||
| And he's just talking and he's dialed in, his eyes are open, he's tuned in. | ||
| But he's very resolute in saying that we've just got to tell the truth. | ||
| We've just got to be willing to, he said, what brought it up is that he said, we're caught in a dilemma where people are too afraid to lose their living, their means of making a living, so they're willing to give up their freedom. | ||
| Not realizing what that means a step down the track. | ||
| You're a frog in a pot then. | ||
| Yeah, so you've got to be willing to take the risk of losing something. | ||
| You might not lose it if you take the risk. | ||
| We could go all Jordan hour right now if we wanted to. | ||
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Sure. | |
| He's talking about Cain and Abel. | ||
| He does that a lot. | ||
| And he's like, well, you know, Cain was making an insufficient sacrifice. | ||
| Abel's giving the best fat. | ||
| God smiles upon him. | ||
| Cain's pissed off, kills him. | ||
| Instead of making a better sacrifice. | ||
| If you're not willing to make a sacrifice, we're not going to win this. | ||
| So people, what do we do? | ||
| We tell the truth. | ||
| Boldly, but not rashly. | ||
| Get to your Greek virtues or whatever. | ||
| And don't be afraid of the consequences. | ||
| And when there are consequences, we point out the injustice. | ||
| The people that went to the lunch counters in the 1960s sat at the lunch counter and they said, | ||
| serve us lunch. | ||
| If you serve us lunch, we'll leave. | ||
| They weren't, we're sitting in and occupying, we're not occupying your restaurant. | ||
| Serve us lunch like anybody else and then we'll go. | ||
| But if you don't, we're going to sit here until you do. | ||
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Really? | |
| And they waited and people wouldn't. | ||
| And then they get yelled at and they got hit. | ||
| And then the cops come drag them out. | ||
| Looks real bad. | ||
| Turns out this works. | ||
| And when we are being unjustly persecuted this way, this is the attitude we actually have to take. | ||
| take. | ||
| One thing that you and I have both gone through over the last couple years is that you, are you still an atheist? | ||
| Yeah, well, I spend a lot of time with Charlie Kirk, so I have to say agnostic. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| Charlie's working on me. | ||
| But you were, that's what Charlie used to say to me also, but basically you were I don't want to put words in your mouth, but you were a very well-known, let's say, liberal atheist who has now found mostly common cause with, say, more believing conservatives, something like that. | ||
| We've talked about it a bunch before, but does that still, when you wake up every morning, seem a little bizarre to you, or does it now just seem very obvious? | ||
| It just seems very obvious now. | ||
| I think there was the bizarre phase, but I don't think it took very long. | ||
| Maybe most of 2019, a little of 20. | ||
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And what does that say about the atheist liberals then, I suppose? | |
| Because I think people understand what it says about the conservative religious people who have become... Looking back on that, I have not found that to be a very welcoming group of people, a very kind group of people, a group of people who have A vision for something that makes, you know, you want to get out of bed in the morning. | ||
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It's kind of a little bit of a cesspool. | |
| There are wonderful people here and there within it. | ||
| And then there are awful people, but that's true of everything. | ||
| But, uh, there's a, there's, there's a lack of, I don't know, general positivity. | ||
| Maybe faith is the word that, um, it, you know, looking back, it's a bit of a shame. | ||
| Yeah, it is a damn shame. | ||
| Yeah, because it didn't have to be this way. | ||
| And I think that that's what so many of us were screaming about, like, come on, the both like, you don't have to do this. | ||
| But yeah, they all just kind of committed Hari Gari. | ||
| Yeah, well, you know, they they had to find some way to inject meaning and Humanism is an interesting phenomenon. | ||
| A lot of them attach themselves. | ||
| Oh, I'm a, you know, secular humanist or liberal humanist or whatever. | ||
| Well, you know, you track back, it turns out Karl Marx called his philosophy humanism. | ||
| He didn't call it Marxism. | ||
| He was Karl Marx. | ||
| That would have been a little weird, right? | ||
| He called it humanism. | ||
| He said his goal was to humanize the world through the work of man that's liberated from labor and private property. | ||
| And so, to make the world more and more a human place, and befitting humans, and to make humans, as the object of our own work, more human, and that's not a good path. | ||
| It's just, it's rooted in critique, it's rooted in negativity. | ||
| I look back at the New Atheist Movement, and I think, honestly, you know, we talk about critical race theory, or critical gender theory, or whatever critical theory you want. | ||
| It's very much critical religion theory. | ||
| It's very, if you go back and you read the first page of Marx's critique of Hegel's philosophy of right, which sounds obscure, but that's the very famous religion is the opiate of the masses page. | ||
| It's just one page. | ||
| It's the very first page of this, you know, 300 and some odd page book that nobody wants to read. | ||
| It feels like that whole movement. | ||
| And you can see the seeds of all the wrong direction are Kind of tied up within that. | ||
| That might've been the first time we ever met in person was at that Reason Rally. | ||
| And when I spoke at, I think this was probably 2015. | ||
| It was 15. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I spoke at the mall there and I remember saying in my speech, I was like, guys, do you see what's happening here? | ||
| And I think I was probably the only person. | ||
| I'm not saying that to pat myself on the back, but I was, I could see all of the wrongness. | ||
| And unfortunately, I guess I became right. | ||
| But let me end with this because you mentioned jokingly as we Walked in here. | ||
| He said everybody's talking about a story in there, right? | ||
| Yeah, but that's the idea and this is the ARC pamphlet, obviously And as you guys can see it says a better story. | ||
| So what is the better story? | ||
| I mean you're particularly good at laying out the the critiques of the history for the bad story But what what is our better story? | ||
| Well, I mean just to listen to Jordan, of course He laid it out. | ||
| So so Jordan Lee which I think should just be an adjective at this point I think you just coined it. | ||
| Yeah, but it's true. | ||
| He talked about how the path to abundance and prosperity and the, as he calls it, very Jordanly, said the adventure of your life. | ||
| You know, you all of a sudden felt like you're back on the road with him and you hear that the adventure of your lifetime is discovered through taking responsibility within your own sphere of life. | ||
| cleaning your room so to speak but getting your own life in order then building a family and having it ordered and then letting order spread outward where taking responsibility gets you out of this he said infantile state where all of your needs are met like a child but you have no liberty and you get to go on the adventure of your life through taking personal and then family and then community and then even national responsibility civic responsibility um so that he said as we can we have to in a sense choose Whether we're going to tilt the world toward heaven or tilt the world toward hell and tilt the world uphill or tilt the world downhill. | ||
| And how do we do that? | ||
| And he said, so the better story is if you take responsibility in your life and try to be a proactive builder, ordered builder of your life, there's a better story for all of us on the other side of that decision. | ||
| And I think that I have to concur completely with that analysis. | ||
| I mean, not that Jordan's wrong a lot, but, uh, I've been preaching a lot of the same thing lately. | ||
| I found it ironically, perhaps, and you'll enjoy this, one of my favorite words is a different R word, not responsibility, but repent. | ||
| And I don't technically believe in God, so what do I mean by that? | ||
| But say you got caught up in this woke stuff. | ||
| A lot of people did. | ||
| Or you got caught up in COVID hysteria. | ||
| A lot of people did. | ||
| Or you got caught up in, pick your favorite politician, doesn't have to be Trump, derangement syndrome. | ||
| A lot of people did. | ||
| You have to get inside yourself and say, I messed up. | ||
| It's not just, well a lot of people messed up, it doesn't matter. | ||
| You have to get inside yourself and say, I messed up. | ||
| And you've got to get right in your conscience with where you were and then... | ||
| Take responsibility for the mistakes you made and the direction you want to go in the future. | ||
| And I call people to repent all the time. | ||
| Repent of the woe. | ||
| Repent of your participation. | ||
| Look at what's happening in the world right now. | ||
| Look what they're cheering for. | ||
| You know, glory to the martyrs on the side of Columbia University. | ||
| Look what they're cheering for. | ||
| Repent. | ||
| And take responsibility. | ||
| And then there's a better story. | ||
| Your life gets better. | ||
| Just like walking upstream, up through the thing where he started there. | ||
| If you just live your life in truth, I wasn't being glib, I wasn't trying to provoke, I was genuinely going that way. | ||
| And I wasn't gonna let them deter me. | ||
| If you just live that way, what I found is 49 out of 50 times, you gotta burn a little corruption out of your life first, but 49 out of 50 times your life gets better, one time something bad happens, and so what? | ||
| And 49 out of 50 times it gets better. | ||
| It's just this constant building when you're willing to get straight on the truth and just go the direction that you need to go. | ||
| Without worrying too much about what's going on around you. | ||
| James, I suspect that literally and metaphorically, we will continue to walk through Hamas rallies. | ||
| Yeah, we'll see. | ||
| Look forward to it, actually. | ||
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