Oct. 27, 2023 - Rubin Report - Dave Rubin
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| Obviously so much of our story is built on the hero's journey of overcoming obstacle and yet everything in | ||
| society today is telling us You know conflicts not okay, you know challenge is not okay. | ||
| We've got to be safe We've got to be like prevented from having challenges | ||
| Whereas actually it's it's challenge that enables the human spirit to grow and to overcome | ||
| I'm Dave Rubin and joining me today is the Baroness at the UK House of Lords and the CEO of the Alliance for | ||
| Responsible Citizenship also known as ARC Baroness Philippa Strahd | ||
| Welcome to The Rubin Report. | ||
| Thank you so much, Dave. | ||
| Really great to join you. | ||
| Well, I'm very happy to have you because I will be joining you guys at the ARC Conference in London in about a week and a half or two weeks or so. | ||
| And I thought we could just chat for a few minutes about what the conference is all about, sort of how this originally came from the, I think I can say the great mind of Jordan Peterson, what the genesis of all of this was and what the intentions are. | ||
| So I'd love to talk to you about British politics, but I think we have to focus on that. | ||
| So can you talk about what ARC is, How Jordan got to you and where you want to go with this thing? | ||
| Yeah, thanks Dave. | ||
| So ARK is really a movement of people who are basically saying that we've had enough | ||
| of a declinist, permacrisis, polycrisis type way of thinking. | ||
| We actually believe that there is a better story, a better way forward and a more hopeful | ||
| narrative. | ||
| And because we so believe in story, because it shapes who we are and it shapes our direction | ||
| of travel as societies, we actually want to come together to develop a better story for | ||
| our society. | ||
| But actually when I think back to how it all started, I had invited Jordan to come and | ||
| do a talk at the think tank that I led in London. | ||
| And... | ||
| We had a fantastic time with him. | ||
| The whole time we were focused on freedom of speech and higher education and how we restored freedom of speech and academic freedom back to our universities. | ||
| And at the end of it, he went on his way, did a big tour around Eastern Europe. | ||
| And halfway through that tour he rang me and he said, Philippa, everywhere I go, There are people, fantastic leaders, but they're so isolated. | ||
| And they're doing amazing work. | ||
| What would happen if we brought them all together to do a conference in London? | ||
| And I thought, great story. | ||
| And at the end of it, he just said to me, Philippa, do you know this chap called Paul Marshall? | ||
| And I said, yeah, great friend of mine. | ||
| So I pinged an email and said, hey, Jordan, meet Paul. | ||
| Paul, meet Jordan. | ||
| You're going to love each other. | ||
| Next couple of days, Paul rings me and says, you know this conference that you and Jordan are doing? | ||
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I'm in. | |
| Anyway, it kind of just snowballed from there. | ||
| And you know when an idea's time has come, it just has momentum behind it and people wanting to get on board and make it happen? | ||
| That's what ARC has been like from beginning to end. | ||
| I have to say, just on a personal note, as you know, I toured with Jordan in 2018 and 19, about 120 shows, I think 20 countries, and what you just described there of all these great people coming up to him after the show, political leaders, politicians, celebrities, thinkers, authors, everyone was like, we've gotta do something. | ||
| So I'm so thrilled for this thing, I really can't wait. | ||
| But do you find it strange, you mentioned stories, and obviously Jordan has been a great explainer of why stories are important. | ||
| You can't just give people policy. | ||
| Do you find it odd that the West, which has come up with so much great movie making and books and literature and all of the stuff that our culture is made of, we somehow didn't tell a story to defend ourselves? | ||
| Does that seem like a strange dichotomy to you? | ||
| Yeah, and it's like our stories got so fragmented. | ||
| So one of the questions we're going to be asking at ARC is what can we draw from our history? | ||
| What is the narrative, the story that can unite us as we go forward? | ||
| And we're asking like what story can be drawn from our liberal democratic history? | ||
| And what story can be drawn from our Judeo-Christian history? | ||
| Are there stories that actually can be foundational to who we are that can take us forward? | ||
| And obviously so much of our story is built on the hero's journey of overcoming obstacle. | ||
| And yet everything in society today is telling us, you know, conflict's not okay. | ||
| You know, challenge is not okay. | ||
| We've got to be safe. | ||
| We've got to be like prevented from having challenges. | ||
| Whereas actually it's challenge that enables the human spirit to grow and to overcome. | ||
| So there are lots of different themes like this that we're going to be exploring at ARC as well. | ||
| Right, and the conference is, it's four days if I'm not mistaken? | ||
| Is it four full days? | ||
| Yeah, it starts on Sunday the 29th and then it's going through the 30th, 31st and 1st of November. | ||
| So Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday in London. | ||
| So exciting. | ||
| Great, so we're gonna link to it down below because obviously portions of it at least are open to the public and we want people to be there. | ||
| and all of that. | ||
| What other types, is it fair to call it sort of a counter to the World Economic Forum, | ||
| sort of a bottom-up way of looking at the world as opposed to a top-down version of looking at the world? | ||
| Yeah, so it is a gathering of leaders in London, but it's also really profoundly built | ||
| around the principle of subsidiarity. | ||
| So what am I responsible for as an individual? | ||
| What is my family responsible for? | ||
| What is my community responsible for? | ||
| And then what is my nation responsible for? | ||
| So instead of hiding away, somewhere and coming up with these big decisions, then imposing them on society and pushing them down. | ||
| It's very much coming up from the principle of responsibility at every level, including the individual. | ||
| And then on the night of the 1st of November, Jordan's throwing Open the Doors at ARC at the O2, huge place where anyone can book a ticket. | ||
| It takes 20,000 people, ARC, and it's literally open to anyone who can get a ticket. | ||
| They're going very fast if they haven't already gone. | ||
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| And what are some of the, like, categories that you're going to be talking about? | ||
| So I think people understand sort of broadly what you're talking about, but this is going to be about science. | ||
| It's going to be about tech, media, et cetera, right? | ||
| Like, it's going to be sort of across all disciplines. | ||
| Yeah, so the big question we're asking is, what is the better story? | ||
| But within that too, it's like, what is the better story for family and the social fabric? | ||
| What is the better story for business? | ||
| What is the better story for energy and the environment? | ||
| So it's asking right across the board, all these, like, what is the better story in all of these different aspects There's so much that we want to platform that I think it's gonna take years two, three, four to platform it all, but it's all going to be framed around that lens of the better story. | ||
| And is the plan then, I assume so, but the plan will be, okay, we're gonna come up with sort of specific stories that can lead us to policies, and then we're gonna find the people that might be in the House of Lords or in the United States Congress or elsewhere, and we're gonna try to implement some of this stuff. | ||
| Absolutely and what's really exciting too is that we've got at least half the shadow cabinet from Australia coming, three ex-Australian Prime Ministers are coming, we've got two congressional delegations coming from the US, we've got over a hundred different MPs from different parts of the world coming, so we have some people of real influence but we also have 200 business leaders, 200 Another 200 kind of ideas and influences as well. | ||
| So, I mean, it's going to be a very rich, rich audience. | ||
| Do you think there's anyone in the world that could have pulled something like this off other than Jordan? | ||
| Like when I first heard about this, I was like, oh, this is what Jordan was supposed to do. | ||
| It just seems so obvious to me in a way. | ||
| I mean, he's a remarkable, you know this, he's a remarkable individual and I love working with him. | ||
| I think he's an extraordinary man. | ||
| But what's been really great in the ARC conference is the ability to gather other like-minded, extraordinary people too. | ||
| We've got over 90 speakers who are going to be platformed. | ||
| People wanting to come and be on the stage and contribute. | ||
| And I think this sort of change, Jordan will be the first person to say, it can't be through one person. | ||
| It has to be through a movement of people. | ||
| But, oh my word, he's been the most extraordinary catalyst. | ||
| Does it also feel to you that the timing is kind of right? | ||
| Not just because of what's been happening in the world for the last couple of years, obviously, but really even the events of the last 10 days or so really have the West feeling very shaken. | ||
| I mean, I'm seeing obviously the protests that are happening in London, but they're happening here in New York City and other places here as well. | ||
| Yeah, I would really agree with you, Dave. | ||
| I think one of the One of the questions that we're asking is, where did we lose our confidence and how did we lose our values in the West? | ||
| And would these events be happening if we had more confidence in who we are as people, more confidence in our values? | ||
| And I think we've got fantastic historians like Neil Ferguson who are going to be joining us. | ||
| We're hoping that we will have some extraordinary spokespeople even from Israel who are able to join us that aren't announced yet and obviously for obvious reasons may not be able to join us. | ||
| But I think this is a moment for us to really ask ourselves some difficult questions and say actually we've got to strengthen ourselves, we've got to have more courage, we've got to have a better story to tell. | ||
| I think, actually, we should leave it there so that people will hear a small bite. | ||
| And then, of course, we're going to be recording everything, and there'll be all sorts of videos that'll get out. | ||
| I'm going to try to do some interviews on the ground. | ||
| Even if I've got to do it from an iPhone, we'll chat with everybody there. | ||
| And I just want to thank you for putting this together and working with Jordan on this. | ||
| Links to the tickets to the O2 event are right below. | ||
| Do you have any final thoughts before I let you go? | ||
| No, just can't wait to welcome you to London, Dave, as well. | ||
| I can't wait. |
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