Dave Rubin, Larry Elder, and Patrick Bet-David dissect the GOP debate, declaring Donald Trump the true winner despite Mike Pence's criticism for being boring. They analyze Nikki Haley's foreign policy stance, Chris Christie's "Donald Duck" remark, and Vivek Ramaswamy's strategic pivot on China issues. The trio debates the upcoming DeSantis-Newsom clash as a distraction from Biden-Harris, noting Kamala Harris's South Carolina support among Black female voters. Addressing high interest rates and inflation, they contrast union wage gains with struggling homeownership costs, ultimately arguing that California's progressive policies fail compared to Florida's approach, advocating for personal responsibility and capitalism to restore prosperity before the November 8th Miami debate. [Automatically generated summary]
Well, my friend, I truly think it was a blessing in disguise, because had you been in that room tonight, it was just a giant, sucking sound of depressive, pretty much nothingness.
Look, we'll get into all of it.
Patrick Bette David will be joining us in a little bit, Carol Markowitz from the New York Post, and we'll see who else shows up.
I sent a couple texts to some candidates, so we'll see if anyone wants to swing by.
You just got here, but you were able to watch it in the car, right?
That, you can't make that kind of an, if you're going to be the guy that's going to go after everybody and you're going to play Trump's card, and Trump's card is what?
And I think the audience could kind of feel it in there when he would kind of go after them a little bit and then say, well, let's just be civil when they threw it back.
The only argument is that there are so many people in this country who do not like Donald Trump for whatever reason, that there's Trump derangement syndrome.
I'm not Donald Trump.
I've got the same policies, so therefore vote for me.
I have a big difference with her on foreign policy for sure.
But she just comes across as confident, clear.
She knows what she's saying.
She was willing to fight.
I walked out with the last five minutes, so I saw, well, oh yeah, I saw the 10 cent thing, and then they're arguing about the drapes, as if she was supposed to return the Obama drapes, or that, to your point, nobody cares.
What an issue!
Should we bring in a woman because we're talking about drapes?
I feel like we should bring in a woman.
Carol Markowitz from the New York Post, our drape expert here.
Actually, if anyone, I was saying to Larry that he sort of won tonight because he wasn't involved in the debate.
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Pat had a better seat than me, that was pretty good.
Would we all agree at this point that Pence, Tim Scott, Christie, and, uh, you call him Bergstrom from Family Guy, but Bergstrom, that if they drop, this would make a lot more sense.
Pat, you think that would be fair?
And then we could have something a little more sensible, Vivek, Nikki, uh, DeSantis.
I think Tim Scott, I believe he'll be one of the ones on the bottom, but I think Tim Scott did okay today.
Do I want him on the stage next time?
I'd much rather watch the four people talk to each other and see what's going to happen.
But at the same time...
I think the last debate is going to be possibly worse than this, because in people's minds, when this is going further and further and further, everybody's asking one question.
What are we doing this for?
Dana asked the question at the end saying, look, you're saying you're not going to write to knock off the show, you know, knock off the debate.
Fine, because that's the last question she has.
Nobody wanted to answer.
You know, Christy wrote a name down and then he comes afterwards and said, looks like you did write a name.
I wrote Trump.
I want him off the debate.
But for me, Dana asked the question saying, so look, you're behind 45, 46 points.
How are you going to pull this up?
And he says, you know, presidents don't get elected by polls.
They get elected by voters.
Phenomenal line.
Good for whoever came up with that.
It's just not the truth.
You have a very, very big, unless if they try to arrest them.
It would have been more entertaining had they done that, but again, What people wanted to see, what would have driven ratings, is for Trump to show up.
He wasn't there.
So nobody really cares.
He's got a commanding lead in the polls.
Joe Biden has horrible numbers on the economy, horrible numbers on the borders.
Everybody can agree on that.
The question is, who do you want other than Donald Trump?
You know how our educational system is not innovating?
It's the same thing it's been for 50, 60, 70 years.
But everything is different.
Technology is different.
And people are disrupting it.
I think this needs to be disrupted already.
What is this all about?
We're supposed to sit there and watch this format?
It makes no sense to me.
You can run a March Madness bracket, have people do face-offs that are two hours long, and then the winner goes to the next, and it's leading to... There's so many different formats you can do than this nonsense they're doing.
But by the way, let's talk about one thing that maybe, you know, you're seeing the DeSantis-Newsom debate, right?
That's coming up.
November 22nd, whatever the date is.
confirm the agreed on how that's going to be taking place.
There's an element right now that something no one's talking about.
You're seeing Newsom is now campaigning.
Newsom vetoed two things this week.
That's drawn him more to the center.
What is he doing?
What do you mean saying no to something you agreed on four or five months ago?
Now you're doing that.
The only reason he would be vetoing things that's more centered than the left.
You know, I don't know what he thinks about his own future, but I completely agree with Larry.
There's no way they're getting Kamala Harris off that stage.
Could he be looking at, you know, a 2024 after 2024 kind of situation?
Sure.
But you know, it does feel very much to me like the DeSantis Newsome debate is a poke in the eye to Biden and Kamala.
Like, I'm here and I'm going to be out there and I'm going to be debating, you know, the The younger candidate in the Republican race, and I want people to see me as the potential successor, if not in 24, then in 28.
What are you... She's not... Newsom's not in the debate.
Like, it's like two guys who are not the heavyweight champions to put up a fight, and one is still in the playoffs, but he's willing to play a team that's not in the playoffs, and it's so confusing to me.
The only way they replace Kamala Harris is if she says, you know what, I'm so incompetent, I'm so clueless, I've got to leave.
And then they have to replace her with an equally popular black female and only two fit the bill, Oprah Winfrey and Michelle Obama, neither of whom want the job.
Well, that's why I wrote the book called As Goes California, My Mission to Rescue the Golden State and Save the Nation, about what a left-wing loon Gavin Newsom is, and the kinds of policies that Democrats have been pushing for decades in California that have resulted in people leaving the state.
500,000 people in the last couple of years.
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But whenever you're ready, we're in Florida waiting for you.
Pat, putting aside politics, how do we export all the good stuff that brought the three of us to Florida?
And again, Larry, you stay here and fight.
Somebody's got to do it.
God bless you for it.
If not through politics, how do we export all of the goodness, all the reasons that you brought so many employees and your family to Florida and everything else?
Because that, putting aside candidates, is what America really should be about, I think.
When they asked the question about, uh, hey, what are you doing with the health care?
You know, Florida has one of the worst.
She was asking, you know, and by the way, it was obvious Dana was a team Nikki Haley.
She kept like protecting her and her husband's also serving.
So I could see that affinity.
So she was probably not pro DeSantis, but she asked the question about, you know, Florida has one of the worst, you know, It may not have been her who asked the question about health insurance or health care.
And then DeSantis says, look, that's part of our philosophy.
We're not a welfare state.
You want to be part of a welfare state?
You want our entitlements?
Go to California.
Go to Illinois.
Go to New York.
If you want to work your ass off and make the money that you want to make and have the life that you want to build, come to Florida.
Do you know how much that answer appeals to me?
That appeals to a guy like me.
I love that.
Straight up.
You want to stand up for yourself and make your money?
Florida's the place to be.
You want your kids to be able to transition legally?
Go to California.
Go to other places.
We don't want that here.
Do you want your kids in third grade to learn about LGBTQ and how to have a boy do what they're doing or a girl do this at third grade?
Go to California.
Go to New York.
But if not, guess what?
We don't stand for that in Florida.
If he stays on that message, and it's a message of, yeah, that's who we are.
Yeah, I think that's attractive.
But the point I was trying to make is during COVID, I think a lot of people are going to gravitate towards different states and they're just going to feel safer.
10 years ago, 20 years ago, you didn't feel that way.
We can move in California, we're going to be okay.
Today, people are moving to raise their kids.
So I think California is going to get bluer.
I think Florida is going to get redder.
I think blue states will get even more bluer.
I think that's what's going to happen next.
Unfortunate, but I think that's what's going to happen next.
One of the fastest way to control people is to destroy their dreams.
Is to make them believe they're not good enough to have their dreams become a reality.
It's such a brilliant, divisive, dirty, dark move.
But the first thing you have to do is kill hope, kill dreams, kill that life that you always wanted to have.
And then you say, it's not gonna happen to me.
Guess what?
Let's just stay in California.
Let's just kind of do, this is kind of what God gave us, which is a bunch of bullshit.
That's not what God gave them, but you have to destroy faith.
You have to destroy hope.
You have to destroy that confidence that people can have their dreams become a reality.
I don't see a lot of dreams being sold.
You know, to me, Tim Scott tried to sell the dream a little bit.
I think we've got to get back to selling the dream.
The whole idea about doing it at a location like this, Reagan was one of the greatest dream sellers, where you're going out there saying, what is your dream?
What do you want to do?
You're getting more entitlement programs.
Is that gonna get you close to your dreams?
We have to speak the dream language today to get people dreaming again.
You know, it's interesting you say that because I kept thinking there are plenty of pictures of Reagan here and busts of Reagan and everything else Reagan and I've watched I've seen virtually every Big Reagan speech forever.
I've seen virtually all of them.
And they were so aspirational and so funny and so decent.
And if you watched him in the debates, they were fun and light.
And it was just the reverse of all this.
What would you have done differently than these guys up there?
Well, on the debt, on how big the country has gotten, Donald Trump got a hit because I think a couple of people said, and it's true, that government got bigger under Donald Trump.
Government got bigger under Ronald Reagan.
All three levels of government, federal, state, and local, in 1900, government took 9% from the American people.
Now, all three levels, government takes almost 35%.
government is way, way too big.
If you run promising to take things away from people, you're gonna lose elections.
If you run promising to reform Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, you're gonna lose elections.
Even Bill Clinton and Barack Obama referred to these entitlement programs as unsustainable.
What I want is an amendment to the Constitution to fix spending to a specific percentage of the GDP.
Otherwise, it's gonna get bigger no matter who's in charge.
If you force the politicians to cut government and to make these structural reforms,
they can then go to the voters and say, I'm sorry, I had to do it, the law made me do it.
That's the only way government's gonna get down to the size it should get down to.
That's one of the things that I've run on during the campaign.
And when they take that shot at Trump, it's a very good shot, except then you need to draw the connection, why this matters to you.
They printed all this money.
This is why everything costs so much.
This is why you go to the supermarket and everything's so expensive.
But they're not making that connection, because it's like, you know, it's the whole, they talk in, what do we say, the 10-point font, and they just don't, They don't understand that people at home don't get why these things are important.
720 pretty good yeah 30 year loan $500,000 today rates are on eight
Your mortgage payment is $3677.
Let me say it again.
$500,000, 8%, 30-year, 720 credit.
Today, $3677.
18 months ago, at 3%, the $500,000 loan, at 3%, 720 credit, 30 years, $2100.
Let me say it again, $500,000, 8%, 30-year, 720 credit.
Today, $3677.
Eighteen months ago, at 3%, the $500,000 loan, at 3%, 720 credit, 30 years, $2100.
So let me get this straight.
The average person's watching this right now, saying, okay, I'm going to go buy a house.
How are you going to do it?
And then the bank is going to go divide your income, your mortgage payment by 36%, and if you do that at $2100, to qualify for that loan, You have to make $5,500 a month.
Doable.
We can do it.
But to qualify for 3677, you have to be around $10,000 a month.
Who is making $10,000 a month right now?
What's happened the last 18 months?
Have people's income gone up the last 18 months?
Mortgage applications are the lowest we've had in 27 years.
No one's trying to do anything with their houses right now.
The people that own a house at 3% are not selling.
The only people that are buying houses have cash.
The average voter sitting right now at home asking themselves, what the hell am I going to do?
This whole union people that are protecting our folks, the Writers Guild, 140 day strike that's in place, do you know finally today ended?
And you know how these union leaders, how much money they were able to get for their employees?
But Riders Guild, they haven't worked for 148 days.
So then you go back to 1972, 25% of Americans in membership for union, 25% of us were part of a union.
Today, that number is 6%.
Americans don't want union anymore.
Don't get involved in my life anymore.
You're bothering me.
So the conversation today about teachers' union, when Chris Christie went after him, and he's talking about, we've got to get rid of some of these people.
All I think about is the average person today, sitting around thinking to themselves, How am I supposed to make it today?
Are people working Uber late at night after they come home, they put their kids to sleep 9 o'clock, they're working 3-4 hours?
What kind of a life is that?
What happened to this economy?
So no, we need to get the dream machine going again and get people to realize, listen, this is how it's supposed to be.
We've got to go back to the market, we've got to go back to capitalism.
If we do that, no one's saying, go be a millionaire, go buy all these exotic cars, but hey, what if we can figure out a way to go back to, you can start a business, small business, There used to be time 49% of employees work for a small business.
That thing's going more and more about these bigger businesses so they can control them.
All I think about is the average voter today's watching this tonight saying, Is my life better today than it was four years ago?
I feel like what Pat is saying is exactly what these candidates should be saying.
Like, I feel your pain.
I know that sounds, you know, ridiculous, the Clinton line, but honestly, I want to see emoting from them.
Like, how are you doing this?
How are you living your lives?
And we understand how bad the inflation has gotten and we understand that, you know, interest rates are just keep climbing and how hard it is to buy a home.
I think that These people really need to connect to what is going on out there in the country and how people are hurting.
I've talked about this before, but I grew up poor in Brooklyn.
My life is still that my neighborhood, my home neighborhood in Brooklyn, and people are struggling.
If they are not the people who got Pelotons during COVID, they got the one-time check and they really never came back to where they were before COVID.
He was raised by an illiterate woman who was irresponsible.
Threw him out of the house when he was 13 years old.
He became a World War II Marine veteran.
Cleaned toilets when I was growing up.
Started a little cafe.
Downtown LA.
Ran it until its 80s.
When he retired, he owned the cafe property next door, plus the little house we still have in our family.
So, my Republican father said this about Democrats.
Democrats want to give you something for nothing.
When you try to get something for nothing, you almost always end up getting nothing for something.
People need to get back to personal responsibility, get government off my back, out of my wallet, put money back into the pockets of the American people, and watch this country explode in terms of prosperity.
And all of a sudden they're saying, oh, just do my thing?
Okay.
Can I do my thing with your family?
Can I do my thing with your kids?
Can I?
No, no, no, no, no.
You're going too far now.
Then you've got the lazy and scared Republicans.
God forbid, they're being challenged.
They just want to kind of have their money and do their thing.
And then you've got a couple other communities.
The part I'm very optimistic about today is the following.
We're finding each other.
More people are coming up to me and saying, man, I'm just so glad you guys are talking about this stuff.
We are finding each other and they're waking up.
A group of pissed off people that are getting united.
If this group unifies, it's going to scare the shit out of them.
We had a conversation with Candace Owens was on a podcast two weeks ago, right after you.
And one of the things was, you know, I'm just done talking about politics.
I'm just done.
I don't want to talk about these issues.
I said, that's exactly what they want you to say.
They want you to be fatigued.
They want your endurance to be done.
They want to look at your eyes and you look defeated.
But here's the part.
Third quarter, when you're going into fourth quarter, your opponent, in their mind, they're thinking you figured out their scheme.
They're thinking if you push a little harder, you're going to win.
They want you to think you can't beat them.
So we need to have a little bit more confidence, more audacity, we need to be united, we need to impose ourselves a little bit, we need to sell our values and principles in a respectful manner, have reasonable conversations, and I think more people are going to say, I kind of like what she has to say.
I kind of like what he has to say.
But I think we need to rise up, and the good news for me being optimistic, I think a lot of people are waking up.