Sept. 28, 2023 - Rubin Report - Dave Rubin
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All right. | |
| post-debate show. Here we go. | ||
| We are live right outside the Reagan Library. | ||
| You've got all of the mainstream media right over there, and the alternative media, which is one and only Rumble, right over here. | ||
| I'm Dave Rubin, you know that much. | ||
| I am joined by the winner of tonight's debate, by not being on stage, Larry Elder. | ||
| Larry, It's good to see you. | ||
| And I should have been there. | ||
| As you know, I got shafted by the RNC regarding the first debate. | ||
| I had to turn in three polls where I was at at least 1% or better. | ||
| I did. | ||
| I get a phone call from Ronnie McDaniel after the deadline. | ||
| I'm sorry, you can't use one of your polls. | ||
| Why? | ||
| It's affiliated with Trump. | ||
| Which one? | ||
| Rasmussen. | ||
| Rasmussen then puts out a statement, Dave, and says, we're not affiliated with Trump. | ||
| So I submitted a fourth one, and they said you submitted it too late, which is true. | ||
| I didn't realize I needed to submit a fourth one. | ||
| However, they had finished their polling before the deadline, so there was enough wiggle room. | ||
| They could have put me up there had they wanted to. | ||
| So I got shafted, and since you can't make the first debate, how in the world do you get your numbers up to make the second debate? | ||
| Well, my friend, I truly think it was a blessing in disguise, because had you been in that room tonight, it was just a giant, sucking sound of depressive, pretty much nothingness. | ||
| Look, we'll get into all of it. | ||
| Patrick Bette David will be joining us in a little bit, Carol Markowitz from the New York Post, and we'll see who else shows up. | ||
| I sent a couple texts to some candidates, so we'll see if anyone wants to swing by. | ||
| You just got here, but you were able to watch it in the car, right? | ||
| I was. | ||
| I mean, did anything move you? | ||
| Did anything inspire you? | ||
| Any of that? | ||
| Well, the true winner, no kidding, was Donald Trump. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| By once again realizing his lead is so commanding that there's no reason for him to sit there and take shots from other people. | ||
| I think the highlight was this line that Chris Christie uttered about Donald Duck, Donald Trump being called Donald Duck. | ||
| That was the highlight. | ||
| I don't know how long he rehearsed that, but obviously he rehearsed it. | ||
| It fell flat. | ||
| It was stupid. | ||
| It was idiotic. | ||
| Isn't it funny when they do those lines at this point? | ||
| Patrick Bet-David's joining us. | ||
| Pat, we'll have you check in in just one second. | ||
| Patrick, how are you, my man? | ||
| Long time. | ||
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We've seen you do your thing not too long ago. | |
| But isn't it funny? | ||
| I mean, you've done plenty of debates, obviously, in your life. | ||
| Just watching them with the pre-packaged stuff as if it's going to land, and it never does. | ||
| The Donald Duck line. | ||
| Pence trying to choke out the thing. | ||
| About sleeping with his wife for 38 years. | ||
| All of the fakeness, yet they do it again and again. | ||
| It was entertaining, though, to watch them jump on Vivek the way they did. | ||
| During the first debate, one of the lines that caught me was when Vivek said, I'm the only one not bought and paid for. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That clearly cheesed off Tim Scott. | ||
| He'd been mulling it over for a whole month and he teed off on him for saying that. | ||
| And Nikki Haley said, every time I hear you speak, I feel dumber referring to Rebecca on foreign policy. | ||
| So that was kind of entertaining. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And also Haley and Tim Scott got into it. | ||
| At the end there, that was a little tiff over curtains. | ||
| Did it move the needle? | ||
| Did it make you say, you know what? | ||
| I think I don't want Donald Trump to be the nominee anymore. | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| So Pat, I think you're going to be a bit surprised when I say that there really was no winner here. | ||
| I would say Larry was a winner in that he wasn't on the stage. | ||
| And I would say that Donald Trump really was the winner because this is really all about, can someone dethrone him? | ||
| He was barely discussed. | ||
| I think DeSantis did a perfectly fine job, but did not move the needle by any estimation. | ||
| I have to call it as I see it. | ||
| Uh, what do you think? | ||
| First of all, I would have much rather have seen Larry Elder on stage than Mike Pence. | ||
| Mike Pence, I'm sure, is a sweetheart of a man and a father. | ||
| I'm sure he's a great grandfather, but he's a cure to insomnia. | ||
| Honestly, every time he spoke, I wanted to fall asleep. | ||
| Again, I love him, man. | ||
| I'm sure he's a good man. | ||
| What do you think he's thinking? | ||
| Why do you think he's doing this? | ||
| If I'm his grandson, I would say, Grandpa, please wrap it up. | ||
| If I was his son, I would say, just step away. | ||
| Move it along. | ||
| Don't do it. | ||
| I will tell you a couple of things that was very interesting. | ||
| From my perspective, it was a united attack on Vivek. | ||
| It's as if somebody from the RNC fed everybody on the attack on China. | ||
| And whether it's RNC or somebody else, they all went after him. | ||
| He got rattled a couple times. | ||
| He did. | ||
| And you saw that. | ||
| And he kept doing this and he kept doing this. | ||
| And at the end, Chris, he said, put your hand down. | ||
| I see your hand. | ||
| I'm not done yet. | ||
| So it was a little bit of that going on. | ||
| At the same time, Vivek changed his strategy. | ||
| And the adjustment that he did, he went from attacking everybody on the first one to now wanting to be a synergist. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That, you can't make that kind of an, if you're going to be the guy that's going to go after everybody and you're going to play Trump's card, and Trump's card is what? | ||
| I'm the only one I paid for Marco Rubio. | ||
| I paid for this. | ||
| You got to double down. | ||
| You can't now apologize on that. | ||
| And I think the audience could kind of feel it in there when he would kind of go after them a little bit and then say, well, let's just be civil when they threw it back. | ||
| And Tim Scott said, you can't say that. | ||
| And the last time he called us this. | ||
| So I thought Tim played offense. | ||
| First time they asked DeSantis a question was in 16 minutes mark. | ||
| They waited a while till they asked him. | ||
| I don't understand. | ||
| Why wouldn't you ask? | ||
| That's the guy in the center. | ||
| You start off with the guy. | ||
| You don't go to Tim Scott. | ||
| I didn't understand the moderators, to be honest with you. | ||
| I mean, I don't know the moderators. | ||
| I've seen them many times, but I don't know that we don't have a relationship. | ||
| I thought they lost control the first 30 minutes to an hour. | ||
| I'm sure there was a regrouping and somebody gave them feedback. | ||
| I thought they lost control of the entire thing the first hour. | ||
| And they almost made the debate, as a viewer, as a guy that's a competitor, the first hour was super boring. | ||
| Yeah, it was incredibly boring. | ||
| I was looking around, people were getting up and walking out. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So that part's got to be on the moderator as well. | ||
| You know, I do know Dana Perino, and I will for sure tonight, I will send her a text. | ||
| I will ask her what they were thinking in that first hour when there was just no energy in that room. | ||
| But Larry, since you ran for governor and actually did quite... How many millions of votes did you get? | ||
| 3.5 million. | ||
| Larry, 57 of 58 counties on the replacement side. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Got in with eight weeks left. | ||
| In eight weeks, you raised $27 million. | ||
| And I'm honored. | ||
| More than all the other 45 rivals combined. | ||
| And I'm honored that I was just a little piece of doing that thing with you, and it was awesome. | ||
| It really was. | ||
| But it failed, and then that was what caused me to move to Florida. | ||
| Pat also moved to Florida in the midst of COVID. | ||
| You were at one of my rallies. | ||
| You spoke at one of my rallies. | ||
| And by the way, was I not drawing Trump-like crowds? | ||
| No, you were drawing Trump-like crowds. | ||
| It was unbelievable. | ||
| But I mention all of that because the guy that obviously I'm backing, DeSantis, All the answers were good. | ||
| I don't think he lied about anything. | ||
| I don't think anyone hit him. | ||
| But he needed something magical there. | ||
| And I can't sit here and tell you that it was there. | ||
| Patrick and I were talking about this when I did his show. | ||
| It's not anything that DeSantis has done or has not done. | ||
| It's a 10,000 pound elephant in the room called Donald Trump. | ||
| Michael Dukakis was once flattering Bill Clinton by saying he's the best stand-up politician I've ever seen. | ||
| He meant that in a positive way. | ||
| Donald Trump is the best stand-up politician I have ever seen, bar none. | ||
| You and I were talking about what normally happens when you're a one-term president. | ||
| Jimmy Carter was a one-term president. | ||
| He couldn't get a table at Fat Burger. | ||
| George Herbert Walker Bush was a one-term president. | ||
| His dog wouldn't sniff him. | ||
| This guy's a one-term president, has retained his stranglehold over the party. | ||
| I've never seen anything like that. | ||
| He's funny. | ||
| He's clever. | ||
| He's witty. | ||
| He's successful. | ||
| He's confident. | ||
| And he has a record. | ||
| He ran and governed for four years. | ||
| Great economy. | ||
| So I think everyone gets it on Trump, but do you think there's something different that DeSantis should be doing? | ||
| And Pat, I want to ask you the same thing, because you said to me months ago, this is a marketing issue with him, not a policy issue. | ||
| Well, yeah, he and I disagreed about that. | ||
| There's nothing you can do. | ||
| What are you going to say? | ||
| Give him a nickname? | ||
| Say that he had a bad economy? | ||
| Say that he did a bad job on borders? | ||
| Bad job on gasoline prices? | ||
| What's he going to say? | ||
| The only argument is that there are so many people in this country who do not like Donald Trump for whatever reason, that there's Trump derangement syndrome. | ||
| I'm not Donald Trump. | ||
| I've got the same policies, so therefore vote for me. | ||
| That's the only argument. | ||
| I would say DeSantis did much better on this one than the first one. | ||
| However, he did have one mishap with the whole fracking in Florida. | ||
| And if you go Google right now, does DeSantis approve fracking or not want fracking? | ||
| The first thing that'll come up is an article from October 2022, where he's talking about fracking in Louisiana and Texas, but not in Florida. | ||
| And then there's another article from Tampa Bay. | ||
| Talking about the fact that he's willing to do fracking in any state but not in Florida. | ||
| And by the way, as a Floridian myself, I don't want to see rigs on the beach. | ||
| I just don't want to see it. | ||
| But just say that. | ||
| Maybe that is an angle to take rather than saying, no, I do support it. | ||
| Nikki Haley. | ||
| If you look at Drudge's report and you see who's at the top, who they have at the top, they got Haley at the top. | ||
| And Drudge is not a Haley. | ||
| I think Nikki did just fine. | ||
| I have a big difference with her on foreign policy for sure. | ||
| But she just comes across as confident, clear. | ||
| She knows what she's saying. | ||
| She was willing to fight. | ||
| I walked out with the last five minutes, so I saw, well, oh yeah, I saw the 10 cent thing, and then they're arguing about the drapes, as if she was supposed to return the Obama drapes, or that, to your point, nobody cares. | ||
| What an issue! | ||
| Should we bring in a woman because we're talking about drapes? | ||
| I feel like we should bring in a woman. | ||
| Carol Markowitz from the New York Post, our drape expert here. | ||
| Actually, if anyone, I was saying to Larry that he sort of won tonight because he wasn't involved in the debate. | ||
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Pat had a better seat than me, that was pretty good. | |
| But you had the best seat for you guys watching at home. | ||
| Carol was right behind who is the male moderator. | ||
| You were right there. | ||
| You were one of the two people right there. | ||
| You could have stolen the show tonight, like a little something. | ||
| You made some bases. | ||
| I'm getting a lot of Twitter comments. | ||
| I was smirking, but that's just my face. | ||
| What's your takeaway as to what happened here? | ||
| Nobody seems particularly impressed, to say the least. | ||
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I mean, he's right. | |
| They're not getting anywhere. | ||
| We're not answering any questions. | ||
| Everybody's trying to land like the good line. | ||
| I think Nikki did well landing those lines. | ||
| I think DeSantis looked like the grown up in the room trying to avoid the squabbling. | ||
| But I don't know that these debates are getting anywhere. | ||
| And one of the reasons is there are just too many candidates up there. | ||
| It's gotten to where we're not getting anybody's message. | ||
| Nobody knows what anybody stands for. | ||
| And it's pointless. | ||
| Would we all agree at this point that Pence, Tim Scott, Christie, and, uh, you call him Bergstrom from Family Guy, but Bergstrom, that if they drop, this would make a lot more sense. | ||
| Pat, you think that would be fair? | ||
| And then we could have something a little more sensible, Vivek, Nikki, uh, DeSantis. | ||
| Look, we're in the business of politics. | ||
| I'll give you my one feedback that Maybe we don't want to hear, but it's how I feel about this. | ||
| You know how in soccer they have the championship, the main fight, you know, the main match that everybody wants to see? | ||
| And then they have third and fourth place play. | ||
| Nobody cares to watch third and fourth. | ||
| I got that feeling today. | ||
| Literally, I'm looking at the crowd. | ||
| People are yawning and walking out. | ||
| Who walks out of a debate? | ||
| People were getting up and shaking hands after the first time walking out. | ||
| Yeah, I didn't want to hear from Mike Pence. | ||
| Mike Pence took 14 minutes that we can get back. | ||
| I don't, I lost 14 minutes tonight. | ||
| I didn't want to hear from him. | ||
| Doug, very good. | ||
| He's not, he's good. | ||
| He, I mean, he's competent. | ||
| He's a nice guy. | ||
| Smart guy, qualified, all of that. | ||
| But president is a different job. | ||
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Okay. | |
| It's a very different job. | ||
| I think Tim Scott, I believe he'll be one of the ones on the bottom, but I think Tim Scott did okay today. | ||
| Do I want him on the stage next time? | ||
| I'd much rather watch the four people talk to each other and see what's going to happen. | ||
| But at the same time... | ||
| I think the last debate is going to be possibly worse than this, because in people's minds, when this is going further and further and further, everybody's asking one question. | ||
| What are we doing this for? | ||
| Dana asked the question at the end saying, look, you're saying you're not going to write to knock off the show, you know, knock off the debate. | ||
| Fine, because that's the last question she has. | ||
| Nobody wanted to answer. | ||
| You know, Christy wrote a name down and then he comes afterwards and said, looks like you did write a name. | ||
| I wrote Trump. | ||
| I want him off the debate. | ||
| But for me, Dana asked the question saying, so look, you're behind 45, 46 points. | ||
| How are you going to pull this up? | ||
| And he says, you know, presidents don't get elected by polls. | ||
| They get elected by voters. | ||
| Phenomenal line. | ||
| Good for whoever came up with that. | ||
| It's just not the truth. | ||
| You have a very, very big, unless if they try to arrest them. | ||
| Today, I made an offer on Mar-a-Lago. | ||
| Yeah, you could have thrown $19. | ||
| $19, what are you doing? | ||
| I said if it's $18 million, I'll buy it myself. | ||
| They're targeting that guy left and right. | ||
| And if I'm a true competitor on the Republican side, I'm sitting there asking myself, | ||
| do I want these guys targeting Trump as much as they are, or do I want them to leave him alone? | ||
| The more they do, the more they're giving him the limelight. | ||
| Yeah, well, Larry, I think you agree with this. | ||
| I tweeted in the middle of this thing, it was like, the debate really should have been one question, and then it should have been a free-for-all. | ||
| It should have been, how are you going to beat Trump? | ||
| Forget the Democrats for a second, but this is a freaking primary! | ||
| And there was just, there was just simply none of that, right? | ||
| I mean, DeSantis tried once or twice, but that was about it. | ||
| It would have been more entertaining had they done that, but again, What people wanted to see, what would have driven ratings, is for Trump to show up. | ||
| He wasn't there. | ||
| So nobody really cares. | ||
| He's got a commanding lead in the polls. | ||
| Joe Biden has horrible numbers on the economy, horrible numbers on the borders. | ||
| Everybody can agree on that. | ||
| The question is, who do you want other than Donald Trump? | ||
| And the answer is, we want Donald Trump. | ||
| Let's talk about the other guy. | ||
| Let me just say I don't know about that because, you know, he's running sort of as the incumbent. | ||
| This is owed to me. | ||
| I deserve this chance. | ||
| And he's only got half the Republican Party. | ||
| I said this on your show last time I was on. | ||
| But if Joe Biden woke up with Donald Trump's numbers, he would, you know, to paraphrase the old Chris Rock line, throw himself out the window. | ||
| And so what we have here is half the party who does not want Donald Trump. | ||
| And 73% of Iowans want, you know, some of them will take Trump, but they want someone | ||
| else. | ||
| So look, to me, it's not about, you know, defeating or defending anybody. | ||
| It's about that half the party does not want this man. | ||
| And it's a very winnable contest. | ||
| Primary voters. | ||
| These are primary voters. | ||
| You look at the polls in Iowa, look at the polls in New Hampshire. | ||
| If anything, Donald Trump is increasing his lead. | ||
| So the question is, what do the people in the primaries want? | ||
| From what I can tell, on the campaign trail, and I've been around all these people, heard them all speak, they still want Trump. | ||
| Pat, from a marketing perspective, are you shocked how the lack of entertainment... Like, I want a competent executive. | ||
| We've discussed this many times. | ||
| I actually don't care about the show that much. | ||
| I just want someone... I moved to Florida and changed my life because of a competent executive and the people that supported him, right? | ||
| So I don't care about the show that much, and yet it's increasingly obvious that the show may matter way more than the policies. | ||
| Like, why aren't they figuring out a better way to do the show? | ||
| You mean the debate? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just the show portion of all of this. | ||
| It's so boring. | ||
| It's not even funny. | ||
| It's driving me insane just watching it. | ||
| How they don't want to innovate. | ||
| You know how our educational system is not innovating? | ||
| It's the same thing it's been for 50, 60, 70 years. | ||
| But everything is different. | ||
| Technology is different. | ||
| And people are disrupting it. | ||
| I think this needs to be disrupted already. | ||
| What is this all about? | ||
| We're supposed to sit there and watch this format? | ||
| It makes no sense to me. | ||
| You can run a March Madness bracket, have people do face-offs that are two hours long, and then the winner goes to the next, and it's leading to... There's so many different formats you can do than this nonsense they're doing. | ||
| But by the way, let's talk about one thing that maybe, you know, you're seeing the DeSantis-Newsom debate, right? | ||
| That's coming up. | ||
| November 22nd, whatever the date is. | ||
| confirm the agreed on how that's going to be taking place. | ||
| There's an element right now that something no one's talking about. | ||
| You're seeing Newsom is now campaigning. | ||
| Newsom vetoed two things this week. | ||
| That's drawn him more to the center. | ||
| What is he doing? | ||
| What do you mean saying no to something you agreed on four or five months ago? | ||
| Now you're doing that. | ||
| The only reason he would be vetoing things that's more centered than the left. | ||
| It's because maybe he wants to win that voter. | ||
| Maybe he wants to run. | ||
| He's running, period. | ||
| Are you thinking about something's going to happen there? | ||
| He's running. | ||
| So if Newsom comes up, who is he going to match up against? | ||
| Or Fox News? | ||
| We know Fox News is not for Trump. | ||
| Fox News is more for DeSantis. | ||
| Of course, they're going to want to put DeSantis against Trump. | ||
| But at the end of the day, you can do all you want to do if the voter wants Trump. | ||
| You can try to convince yourself and make yourself feel happy and all this stuff. | ||
| That's not how business and competition works. | ||
| Numbers do a lot of talking. | ||
| Regarding Newsom, Newsom, of course, he wants to be president. | ||
| If Joe Biden and Kamala Harris dropped dead, he'd be extant. | ||
| However, They're not going to. | ||
| Joe Biden, if he can fog up a mirror, will be the nominee. | ||
| And if he can't fog up a mirror, it will be Kamala Harris. | ||
| I know that Kamala Harris is unpopular, but for crying out loud, she's very popular among Black female voters. | ||
| And they are the most loyal part of the Democratic base. | ||
| And the first primary for the Democrats is South Carolina. | ||
| 60% of the Democrat primary voters in South Carolina are Black. | ||
| Majority of those are Black female. | ||
| And they love, love, love Kamala Harris. | ||
| And if she is perceived as having been drop kicked for some white dude like Gavin Newsom, | ||
| are you kidding me? | ||
| They won't vote Republican. | ||
| They just won't vote at all. | ||
| I actually think the party is so evil that it wouldn't surprise me if they did that. | ||
| But I get it. | ||
| They painted themselves in a corner with this race and gender stuff. | ||
| The reason she's there because she's a black female. | ||
| By the way, for a while, it appeared that Dianne Feinstein might not finish her term | ||
| in California. | ||
| And Gavin Newsom said, I will appoint a black female. | ||
| In order to get Joe Biden's support, James Clyburn, before the South Carolina primary | ||
| in 2020, expected a promise that the first nominee would be a black female. | ||
| Now you're going to dropkick a black female for a white dude? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| I don't think so either. | ||
| And they can't afford to do that. | ||
| They are stuck with Kamala Harris. | ||
| So, Carol, what do you think? | ||
| Since you also, well, you fled New York, but now live in Florida, but I know you're no fan of Newsom. | ||
| I mean, what do you, he's here. | ||
| He's literally here. | ||
| Can you guys smell the sulfur? | ||
| You smell it, can't you? | ||
| He's here somewhere, and I would, we reached out to him. | ||
| We did the appropriate channels. | ||
| He did not respond. | ||
| He didn't want to come on with you. | ||
| He did not respond. | ||
| Maybe it's all the lizard pictures that I keep sending him, but either way, what do you think he's really up to here? | ||
| You know, I don't know what he thinks about his own future, but I completely agree with Larry. | ||
| There's no way they're getting Kamala Harris off that stage. | ||
| Could he be looking at, you know, a 2024 after 2024 kind of situation? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But you know, it does feel very much to me like the DeSantis Newsome debate is a poke in the eye to Biden and Kamala. | ||
| Like, I'm here and I'm going to be out there and I'm going to be debating, you know, the The younger candidate in the Republican race, and I want people to see me as the potential successor, if not in 24, then in 28. | ||
| Does the, Pat, does the DeSantis Newsome thing seem like DeSantis' last stand to you? | ||
| Because it seems to me like that's what he needed tonight. | ||
| Again, nobody hit him. | ||
| Nobody hit him. | ||
| Nothing he said. | ||
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Nikki tried. | |
| No, they tried a little bit, but I don't think anyone's walking out of there like, oh, DeSantis got hit. | ||
| But it's not that he just, he needed to do more than just not get hit. | ||
| He needed magic. | ||
| Maybe something happens with the DeSantis. | ||
| Let me ask you a question. | ||
| Here's a question for you. | ||
| How does DeSantis win from doing the Newsome debate? | ||
| That it maybe centers it more around him again and less about Trump. | ||
| No, to me it comes across arrogant. | ||
| What are you... She's not... Newsom's not in the debate. | ||
| Like, it's like two guys who are not the heavyweight champions to put up a fight, and one is still in the playoffs, but he's willing to play a team that's not in the playoffs, and it's so confusing to me. | ||
| But it seems like the Fight Americas, but put aside where their rankings are, than the Florida vs. Cali fight. | ||
| You know when that would have been appropriate? | ||
| Nine months ago, not right now. | ||
| No, it would have been appropriate in 2021 when I ran against him for governor in the recall election, and he would not debate me. | ||
| Nobody put any pressure on him. | ||
| Nobody on Fox said, why don't you debate Larry Elder? | ||
| Where was that? | ||
| Where was where was Anity then? | ||
| Yeah, I needed him. | ||
| Yeah, he's this is a circus. | ||
| But I'm talking in this context. | ||
| This would have mattered. | ||
| He would have had to defend his record on COVID, his record on homelessness, | ||
| his record on the fact that people are leaving California for the first time in 170 years. | ||
| But nobody put any pressure on him to debate. | ||
| And now that there's nothing at stake, he's debating Ron DeSantis. | ||
| It's a circus. | ||
| But even if he's not trying to dethrone Biden or something like that, | ||
| isn't it weird that it feels like it's it kind of feels like the energy is around him, | ||
| not around Biden? | ||
| There's no energy around Biden, right? | ||
| So he's 150 years old and he's going to have to be dragged across that finish line. | ||
| But I think the Democrats are fully prepared to do that. | ||
| The thing is, it's getting late to replace him. | ||
| It's getting to the point where you can't replace him with Newsom, no matter how badly they might want to. | ||
| They really can't even replace him with Kamala unless something really happens. | ||
| So it's going to be Biden. | ||
| That's been my $5 bet all along and I'm planning to collect. | ||
| The only way they replace Kamala Harris is if she says, you know what, I'm so incompetent, I'm so clueless, I've got to leave. | ||
| And then they have to replace her with an equally popular black female and only two fit the bill, Oprah Winfrey and Michelle Obama, neither of whom want the job. | ||
| Man, your whole life's work is sort of summed up in the craziness of the Democratic Party, wouldn't you say? | ||
| Well, that's why I wrote the book called As Goes California, My Mission to Rescue the Golden State and Save the Nation, about what a left-wing loon Gavin Newsom is, and the kinds of policies that Democrats have been pushing for decades in California that have resulted in people leaving the state. | ||
| 500,000 people in the last couple of years. | ||
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But whenever you're ready, we're in Florida waiting for you. | |
| Pat, putting aside politics, how do we export all the good stuff that brought the three of us to Florida? | ||
| And again, Larry, you stay here and fight. | ||
| Somebody's got to do it. | ||
| God bless you for it. | ||
| If not through politics, how do we export all of the goodness, all the reasons that you brought so many employees and your family to Florida and everything else? | ||
| Because that, putting aside candidates, is what America really should be about, I think. | ||
| Yeah, no question. | ||
| And I think A part of what COVID did. | ||
| Like, I love what DeSantis said today. | ||
| When they asked the question about, uh, hey, what are you doing with the health care? | ||
| You know, Florida has one of the worst. | ||
| She was asking, you know, and by the way, it was obvious Dana was a team Nikki Haley. | ||
| She kept like protecting her and her husband's also serving. | ||
| So I could see that affinity. | ||
| So she was probably not pro DeSantis, but she asked the question about, you know, Florida has one of the worst, you know, It may not have been her who asked the question about health insurance or health care. | ||
| And then DeSantis says, look, that's part of our philosophy. | ||
| We're not a welfare state. | ||
| You want to be part of a welfare state? | ||
| You want our entitlements? | ||
| Go to California. | ||
| Go to Illinois. | ||
| Go to New York. | ||
| If you want to work your ass off and make the money that you want to make and have the life that you want to build, come to Florida. | ||
| Do you know how much that answer appeals to me? | ||
| That appeals to a guy like me. | ||
| I love that. | ||
| Straight up. | ||
| You want to stand up for yourself and make your money? | ||
| Florida's the place to be. | ||
| You want your kids to be able to transition legally? | ||
| Go to California. | ||
| Go to other places. | ||
| We don't want that here. | ||
| Do you want your kids in third grade to learn about LGBTQ and how to have a boy do what they're doing or a girl do this at third grade? | ||
| Go to California. | ||
| Go to New York. | ||
| But if not, guess what? | ||
| We don't stand for that in Florida. | ||
| If he stays on that message, and it's a message of, yeah, that's who we are. | ||
| Yeah, I think that's attractive. | ||
| But the point I was trying to make is during COVID, I think a lot of people are going to gravitate towards different states and they're just going to feel safer. | ||
| 10 years ago, 20 years ago, you didn't feel that way. | ||
| We can move in California, we're going to be okay. | ||
| Today, people are moving to raise their kids. | ||
| So I think California is going to get bluer. | ||
| I think Florida is going to get redder. | ||
| I think blue states will get even more bluer. | ||
| I think that's what's going to happen next. | ||
| Unfortunate, but I think that's what's going to happen next. | ||
| I sense you're basically okay with that notion, right? | ||
| I mean, it's what the founding of America really is about, and it's unfortunate as a lifelong New Yorker until you move to Florida. | ||
| Yeah, and I think a lot of these places need to hit rock bottom. | ||
| Look, New York was a wonderful place to live. | ||
| I loved it. | ||
| You know, I always say I was a New York supremacist. | ||
| I was all about the New York. | ||
| But then... You know what he was. | ||
| He was a white supremacist. | ||
| Yeah, he was a... Blackface! | ||
| The blackface of white supremacy. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Get it right, Patrick. | ||
| My apologies. | ||
| I worked hard for that title. | ||
| Yeah, so I love New York. | ||
| New York was doing great, and that was doing great because it hit rock bottom. | ||
| They elected Rudy Giuliani, Bloomberg continued those policies, and even Bill de Blasio was able to coast on a well-functioning New York for a while. | ||
| But then those blue policies came back and everything, you know, started to fall apart. | ||
| I think some of these places are going to hit rock bottom. | ||
| They are going to elect Republicans, even if they do become deep blue, because they just can't take it anymore. | ||
| I hope you're right. | ||
| I mean, that's the argument I made when I ran for governor. | ||
| But look, the crime is still crazy. | ||
| Homelessness is still crazy. | ||
| He's taken a $100 million budget surplus, Gavin Newsom, and turned it into a $30 billion budget deficit. | ||
| And he still has above-water poll numbers. | ||
| So I thought, you know, that in crime, during the campaign, A guy was murdered in Beverly Hills. | ||
| He had armed security and somebody who should not have been on the streets broke in and murdered him. | ||
| A woman who was a graduate student at UCLA was stabbed to death at a high-end furniture store | ||
| in Hancock Park where Maxine Waters has her mansion. | ||
| I thought maybe at that point people would just, you know, it's gotten so crazy now, | ||
| maybe just maybe we need somebody who's not soft on crime. | ||
| But it didn't seem to matter. | ||
| But at some point, I agree with you, that voters are gonna have to hit rock bottom | ||
| and begin to rethink their assumptions, but it doesn't appear to happen | ||
| to be anytime soon in California. | ||
| Is the depressing reality maybe combining with what you just said there to Pat, | ||
| with what you said about Florida's a place where you gotta get yours versus these blue states | ||
| or they're gonna hand it to you, is that most people either just, | ||
| at this point, the sad truth would be that most people either just don't care or don't know | ||
| or don't understand what the American dream is. | ||
| They don't understand how to get theirs. | ||
| And they just hear mostly Democrats being like, yeah, we'll give you this. | ||
| We care. | ||
| We'll give you health care, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| They don't understand. | ||
| Why that systemically actually destroys healthcare and everything else? | ||
| One of the fastest way to control people is to destroy their dreams. | ||
| Is to make them believe they're not good enough to have their dreams become a reality. | ||
| It's such a brilliant, divisive, dirty, dark move. | ||
| But the first thing you have to do is kill hope, kill dreams, kill that life that you always wanted to have. | ||
| And then you say, it's not gonna happen to me. | ||
| Guess what? | ||
| Let's just stay in California. | ||
| Let's just kind of do, this is kind of what God gave us, which is a bunch of bullshit. | ||
| That's not what God gave them, but you have to destroy faith. | ||
| You have to destroy hope. | ||
| You have to destroy that confidence that people can have their dreams become a reality. | ||
| I don't see a lot of dreams being sold. | ||
| You know, to me, Tim Scott tried to sell the dream a little bit. | ||
| I think we've got to get back to selling the dream. | ||
| The whole idea about doing it at a location like this, Reagan was one of the greatest dream sellers, where you're going out there saying, what is your dream? | ||
| What do you want to do? | ||
| You're getting more entitlement programs. | ||
| Is that gonna get you close to your dreams? | ||
| We have to speak the dream language today to get people dreaming again. | ||
| Until we don't, that can be easily controlled. | ||
| You know, it's interesting you say that because I kept thinking there are plenty of pictures of Reagan here and busts of Reagan and everything else Reagan and I've watched I've seen virtually every Big Reagan speech forever. | ||
| I've seen virtually all of them. | ||
| And they were so aspirational and so funny and so decent. | ||
| And if you watched him in the debates, they were fun and light. | ||
| And it was just the reverse of all this. | ||
| What would you have done differently than these guys up there? | ||
| Well, on the debt, on how big the country has gotten, Donald Trump got a hit because I think a couple of people said, and it's true, that government got bigger under Donald Trump. | ||
| Government got bigger under Ronald Reagan. | ||
| All three levels of government, federal, state, and local, in 1900, government took 9% from the American people. | ||
| Now, all three levels, government takes almost 35%. | ||
| government is way, way too big. | ||
| If you run promising to take things away from people, you're gonna lose elections. | ||
| If you run promising to reform Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, you're gonna lose elections. | ||
| Even Bill Clinton and Barack Obama referred to these entitlement programs as unsustainable. | ||
| What I want is an amendment to the Constitution to fix spending to a specific percentage of the GDP. | ||
| Otherwise, it's gonna get bigger no matter who's in charge. | ||
| If you force the politicians to cut government and to make these structural reforms, | ||
| they can then go to the voters and say, I'm sorry, I had to do it, the law made me do it. | ||
| That's the only way government's gonna get down to the size it should get down to. | ||
| That's one of the things that I've run on during the campaign. | ||
| I think one of the biggest problems is that people have no idea what it means, like the government's too big or it's, you know, spending is too high. | ||
| Yeah, that's what I mean, actually. | ||
| They have no idea what that means for their actual everyday life. | ||
| I mean, I don't know. | ||
| Do you ever see those interviews of people in the street? | ||
| Like, who's the president right now? | ||
| It's like, I don't know. | ||
| People are assuming a lot. | ||
| These candidates are assuming a lot when they say things like, oh, the government has gotten so big, or, oh, the spending has gotten so high. | ||
| And when they take that shot at Trump, it's a very good shot, except then you need to draw the connection, why this matters to you. | ||
| They printed all this money. | ||
| This is why everything costs so much. | ||
| This is why you go to the supermarket and everything's so expensive. | ||
| But they're not making that connection, because it's like, you know, it's the whole, they talk in, what do we say, the 10-point font, and they just don't, They don't understand that people at home don't get why these things are important. | ||
| Well, the reason it's important is because we high-five ourselves. | ||
| We have GDP growth of 2.5% to 3%. | ||
| We should be growing twice as fast. | ||
| Your income should be growing twice as fast as it's growing. | ||
| Your net worth should be growing. | ||
| Your own life should be better. | ||
| And it will be better if more money is in your pocket because you'll spend it more efficiently than some government bureaucrat. | ||
| Pat, you're shaking your head no, but I can't tell if it's no with frustration or disagreement. | ||
| Some of us do okay financially, right? | ||
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Okay, think about... He told me he was wearing a fossil watch last time I saw him. | |
| Some of us do okay. | ||
| Man just made a bid for Mar-a-Lago. | ||
| I guess some of us are doing okay. | ||
| Some of us are doing good financially. | ||
| But watch this. | ||
| So the rates this week, if your credit score is 720, you wanted to get a 30-year loan. | ||
| 720, pretty good. | ||
| 720, pretty good. | ||
| 720 pretty good yeah 30 year loan $500,000 today rates are on eight | ||
| Your mortgage payment is $3677. | ||
| Let me say it again. | ||
| $500,000, 8%, 30-year, 720 credit. | ||
| Today, $3677. | ||
| 18 months ago, at 3%, the $500,000 loan, at 3%, 720 credit, 30 years, $2100. | ||
| Let me say it again, $500,000, 8%, 30-year, 720 credit. | ||
| Today, $3677. | ||
| Eighteen months ago, at 3%, the $500,000 loan, at 3%, 720 credit, 30 years, $2100. | ||
| So let me get this straight. | ||
| The average person's watching this right now, saying, okay, I'm going to go buy a house. | ||
| How are you going to do it? | ||
| And then the bank is going to go divide your income, your mortgage payment by 36%, and if you do that at $2100, to qualify for that loan, You have to make $5,500 a month. | ||
| Doable. | ||
| We can do it. | ||
| But to qualify for 3677, you have to be around $10,000 a month. | ||
| Who is making $10,000 a month right now? | ||
| What's happened the last 18 months? | ||
| Have people's income gone up the last 18 months? | ||
| Mortgage applications are the lowest we've had in 27 years. | ||
| No one's trying to do anything with their houses right now. | ||
| The people that own a house at 3% are not selling. | ||
| The only people that are buying houses have cash. | ||
| The average voter sitting right now at home asking themselves, what the hell am I going to do? | ||
| This whole union people that are protecting our folks, the Writers Guild, 140 day strike that's in place, do you know finally today ended? | ||
| And you know how these union leaders, how much money they were able to get for their employees? | ||
| 5% raise. | ||
| A 5% raise. | ||
| Right, probably less than UPS. | ||
| UPS got a lot of raise for them. | ||
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| But Riders Guild, they haven't worked for 148 days. | ||
| So then you go back to 1972, 25% of Americans in membership for union, 25% of us were part of a union. | ||
| Today, that number is 6%. | ||
| Americans don't want union anymore. | ||
| Don't get involved in my life anymore. | ||
| You're bothering me. | ||
| So the conversation today about teachers' union, when Chris Christie went after him, and he's talking about, we've got to get rid of some of these people. | ||
| All I think about is the average person today, sitting around thinking to themselves, How am I supposed to make it today? | ||
| Are people working Uber late at night after they come home, they put their kids to sleep 9 o'clock, they're working 3-4 hours? | ||
| What kind of a life is that? | ||
| What happened to this economy? | ||
| So no, we need to get the dream machine going again and get people to realize, listen, this is how it's supposed to be. | ||
| We've got to go back to the market, we've got to go back to capitalism. | ||
| If we do that, no one's saying, go be a millionaire, go buy all these exotic cars, but hey, what if we can figure out a way to go back to, you can start a business, small business, There used to be time 49% of employees work for a small business. | ||
| That thing's going more and more about these bigger businesses so they can control them. | ||
| All I think about is the average voter today's watching this tonight saying, Is my life better today than it was four years ago? | ||
| They're all scared today. | ||
| I don't know how most of them are making it. | ||
| That is way better analysis than I was going to do on the union thing because my main takeaway was that they all slept with Randy Weingarten. | ||
| That seemed to be the running theory. | ||
| They were all like, I slept with her and she's a lesbian. | ||
| I don't know what was going on there. | ||
| What do you think on the economy stuff? | ||
| It's like the Democrats are just, the messaging is just easier and whatever. | ||
| It's like, we like you. | ||
| I feel like what Pat is saying is exactly what these candidates should be saying. | ||
| Like, I feel your pain. | ||
| I know that sounds, you know, ridiculous, the Clinton line, but honestly, I want to see emoting from them. | ||
| Like, how are you doing this? | ||
| How are you living your lives? | ||
| And we understand how bad the inflation has gotten and we understand that, you know, interest rates are just keep climbing and how hard it is to buy a home. | ||
| I think that These people really need to connect to what is going on out there in the country and how people are hurting. | ||
| I've talked about this before, but I grew up poor in Brooklyn. | ||
| My life is still that my neighborhood, my home neighborhood in Brooklyn, and people are struggling. | ||
| If they are not the people who got Pelotons during COVID, they got the one-time check and they really never came back to where they were before COVID. | ||
| Alright, well it seems like nobody left this thing, at least out of the four of us, particularly inspired. | ||
| So, Larry, give me all one thing to wrap up with. | ||
| Give me something inspirational for people to walk from here. | ||
| Maybe a little beyond just the political realm of this whole thing. | ||
| Well, you know about my background. | ||
| My father never knew his father. | ||
| He was raised by an illiterate woman who was irresponsible. | ||
| Threw him out of the house when he was 13 years old. | ||
| He became a World War II Marine veteran. | ||
| Cleaned toilets when I was growing up. | ||
| Started a little cafe. | ||
| Downtown LA. | ||
| Ran it until its 80s. | ||
| When he retired, he owned the cafe property next door, plus the little house we still have in our family. | ||
| So, my Republican father said this about Democrats. | ||
| Democrats want to give you something for nothing. | ||
| When you try to get something for nothing, you almost always end up getting nothing for something. | ||
| People need to get back to personal responsibility, get government off my back, out of my wallet, put money back into the pockets of the American people, and watch this country explode in terms of prosperity. | ||
| I feel like you can pick up from that. | ||
| Yeah, you know, today we're at Rafi's place, okay? | ||
| So this Armenian guy comes up to me, he says, I said, so what do you do for a living? | ||
| He said, I just finished my law degree. | ||
| I said, how old are you? | ||
| 27 years old. | ||
| He says, at the school I went to, everybody's liberal. | ||
| So Adam asks, do you talk? | ||
| Do you give your opinions? | ||
| He says, oh no, I can't talk. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because if I do, you know, it's going to be bad for me. | ||
| I can't talk about that in California. | ||
| What if I do? | ||
| What if I get fired? | ||
| What if this happens? | ||
| So here's the problem on what's happening right now. | ||
| The reason why the left is winning is because the right is afraid of talking about issues and how they feel. | ||
| They're quiet. | ||
| I'm convinced the four communities that are hurting America need to wake up. | ||
| One of them is the tolerant Christians. | ||
| They're way too tolerant. | ||
| They're sitting around saying, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay. | ||
| Now they're in your face. | ||
| Number two are the libertarians. | ||
| The libertarians have this mindset of, do your thing. | ||
| Listen, as long as you do your thing, it's good. | ||
| I don't care what you do, just do your thing. | ||
| It's got to be a two-way street. | ||
| And all of a sudden they're saying, oh, just do my thing? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Can I do my thing with your family? | ||
| Can I do my thing with your kids? | ||
| Can I? | ||
| No, no, no, no, no. | ||
| You're going too far now. | ||
| Then you've got the lazy and scared Republicans. | ||
| God forbid, they're being challenged. | ||
| They just want to kind of have their money and do their thing. | ||
| And then you've got a couple other communities. | ||
| The part I'm very optimistic about today is the following. | ||
| We're finding each other. | ||
| More people are coming up to me and saying, man, I'm just so glad you guys are talking about this stuff. | ||
| We are finding each other and they're waking up. | ||
| A group of pissed off people that are getting united. | ||
| If this group unifies, it's going to scare the shit out of them. | ||
| We had a conversation with Candace Owens was on a podcast two weeks ago, right after you. | ||
| And one of the things was, you know, I'm just done talking about politics. | ||
| I'm just done. | ||
| I don't want to talk about these issues. | ||
| I said, that's exactly what they want you to say. | ||
| They want you to be fatigued. | ||
| They want your endurance to be done. | ||
| They want to look at your eyes and you look defeated. | ||
| But here's the part. | ||
| Third quarter, when you're going into fourth quarter, your opponent, in their mind, they're thinking you figured out their scheme. | ||
| They're thinking if you push a little harder, you're going to win. | ||
| They want you to think you can't beat them. | ||
| So we need to have a little bit more confidence, more audacity, we need to be united, we need to impose ourselves a little bit, we need to sell our values and principles in a respectful manner, have reasonable conversations, and I think more people are going to say, I kind of like what she has to say. | ||
| I kind of like what he has to say. | ||
| But I think we need to rise up, and the good news for me being optimistic, I think a lot of people are waking up. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| It's why I see all these worlds, all of our worlds, colliding more and more every single day. | ||
| Every single day it's happening. | ||
| I feel like you can give like the kind of mama version of that. | ||
| Yeah, I feel, you know, it's hard not to be optimistic. | ||
| In Florida, I used to be that college student that couldn't be openly conservative. | ||
| And in graduate school, I was the only conservative in my political program. | ||
| I mean, it's like, this was my world. | ||
| But I think that living in Florida has made it so, first of all, I see people unafraid. | ||
| They're themselves, and they're liberals, they're conservatives, but they're, like, sane, and they're normal, and they're defending their families. | ||
| I love to see it, and just being Floridian has really made me so much more optimistic about America's future. | ||
| Well, I'm optimistic because people like you guys tune in and I get to sit down and chat with these guys. | ||
| And we did the impossible, guys. | ||
| We took two of the most boring, uninteresting hours in the history of humanity. | ||
| And I think we cleaned it up quite nicely. | ||
| So I thank you. | ||
| Oh, and the next debate, by the way, I think is November 8th in Miami. | ||
| How about we do this over tequila next time? | ||
| It'd be much better. | ||
| I wouldn't do this at my place over tequila. | ||
| All right. |
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