Rudy Giuliani joins Dave Rubin in Miami to address his legal stipulation on the Atlanta ballot video, conceding its falsity while denying intent and alleging a coordinated censorship campaign by the Biden administration, Big Tech, and the FBI. He claims the FBI ignored evidence of Russian collusion involving Hunter Biden and asserts Joe Biden knowingly discussed his son's foreign dealings. Contrasting NYC under Democratic leadership with his tenure, Giuliani cites illegal marijuana shops and fentanyl contamination, reflects on 9/11 losses including Ted Olsen, and expresses hope for a future Republican shift in New York despite current political headwinds. [Automatically generated summary]
Alright, well I'm always thrilled to sit down with you and everyone knows most of my formative years I spent in New York City when you were the mayor and I was there for 9-11 and I wrote about you in my book because you've just done so many incredible things but I thought for however long you want to do it, up top, you want to get into any of this legal nonsense?
Sure, whatever you want to ask, it's always worth clarifying it because there are some people That forget that most of what they get from 80% of the media is nowadays not even... Oh 80, you're being nice.
So the latest one is, I admitted that I lied About the two women in Atlanta who were on video appearing to be taking ballots out of
out of a box that was under a big blanket, and they had gotten rid of all the Republicans, and they were furiously counting ballots, and they were alleged to be involved in violating the law, because in Georgia, you have to have a person present when you do that, and you can see them on the video throwing everybody out.
They sued me, and they alleged that I'm lying about that.
That the words are false, that I have intent, and that they can violate my First Amendment privilege because it's so bad, what I said.
So, in order to get to the heart of the case, we've made a stipulation, which is very common in the law.
We concede, for the purposes of the case, that first allegation that it was untrue.
We don't admit it.
We don't deny it.
We just put it aside and say it doesn't matter if it's true or false, because we have such a strong and winning case on lack of intent and on our First Amendment defenses.
Second reason.
That first part would be tried before an Atlanta—I'm sorry, a Washington jury.
And my chances of winning before a Washington jury are none.
You look at the document carefully, it says this is just for the purpose of that case.
It's not an admission of lying.
It's not contesting it.
And I can't contest lying anyplace else in the world.
But they don't bother to read the rest of it.
And something like this, of course, as a lawyer for 50 years, I've probably done 500 times.
And it's well known in the law.
It's a stipulation where you don't admit or deny, so that you don't have to fight over this part of the case.
Even though you think you might win, it might take you so long and cost you so much money, when you can win on this part of the case much faster and much cheaper.
Well this will permit me to not have to go through a big long trial, and we will get to a legal decision on In trying to hold me responsible for defamation, aren't they violating my First Amendment rights?
My rights to represent my client and have that position as a lawyer.
district, and we get it up to the more General legal principles are applied in the DC circuit.
And I also think we got a chance to go to the Supreme Court because it is a perfect example of the censorship that's going on now because I was being censored.
So we want to get it on the fast track there.
So when you do that, you make stipulations.
So we made the stipulation.
The lawyers did it in the language it's been a hundred times.
Never interpreted that way.
And of course the fake media immediately says, Giuliani admits that he's lying!
Well, I'm not lying.
I didn't admit it.
I didn't even admit it for that case, I just didn't contest it.
And I have to tell you, I'm proud of myself.
I woke up this morning, I saw it in the newspapers, I put it down and I went back to sleep.
So how worried are you that because so much of what happens electorally is left to the states, that certain states like Florida where we are, we have airtight elections?
I think I told you this when I saw you.
It was such a pleasure.
To vote here.
Show my ID.
Have them match it.
Walk to the box.
A guy standing there.
Get a piece of paper.
It was so perfect.
And contrast that with Los Angeles, where I walked in, I tried to show my ID just out of force of habit.
The guy...
Goes like this.
So how worried are you that no matter what we do right in certain states, that the three or four states that are purple or blue that really matter, it just won't make a difference?
In fact, I think at this point, anything can change.
That would be the only way we lose.
And now I'm not just talking about my candidate, Trump, or DeSantis, or who knows, Tim Scott, I'm talking about Republicans will win this election because there's more to come out.
I've been wrong in the past because I thought some of the revelations in the past, which is like when I got the hard drive, because I was the only one who had it, right?
I do want to get into some of your past history, which I think led you to being able to do these fights and wake up every morning and read something stupid and then go back to sleep.
Someday, some little thing that they misrepresent about me will get me all upset.
And I will get into what normal people do, which is maybe they'll never get over it, maybe this will be my real legacy.
And then after a while, I think about it.
And I think about the bigger picture.
And I think about the fact that I've been true to myself.
And I think about the fact that my father would be proud of me.
And I say that's more important.
That's eventually going to win out.
If it isn't here, it'll be in heaven.
And I do feel proud that I'm doing the right thing for my country.
I'm also proud of the fact that if it wasn't for me, none of this would be out.
When I listen to them debate this, I sometimes say to myself, wow, they would have known none of this if I didn't put out the original information way back in 2019, early 2019, when I went on Hannity Show.
And went to John Solomon and said, look what I have.
There is no evidence in the file that he's corrupt.
And the press very, very corruptly avoids an actual recording Between Poroshenko and Biden, in which Poroshenko tells Biden that he's going to have to make up the corruption.
And you know that Biden approves the new prosecutor.
How does Biden get to approve the new prosecutor?
How does the Vice President approve the new prosecutor if he isn't involved in a corrupt scheme to make sure the case is dismissed?
Also, I'm fairly certain, I'd have to check in the Constitution, our Vice President doesn't have the real authority to be deciding who prosecutors are in other countries.
I guess maybe a little bit with the Attorney General he can offer some insight.
But are you worried that no matter how, like after the years of this, the lies and more lies and censorship, that you'll swim and you'll swim upstream and the machine just has a way of convincing people that up is down and left is right and two plus two is five?
One is, I would say I could locate maybe five instances in which either I've come across, or somebody else has, a piece of information that at any other time, in any other place in American history, would have destroyed a candidate.
And all of us sitting around, people like Steve Bannon, and people like Dan Bongino, and people like you, and people who are knowledgeable, would say, wow, this is over.
Or, on the other hand, we would have looked at Trump and said, he did something, either correctly interpreted or incorrectly interpreted or exaggerated, or we would have said, it's over.
Do you find him, so you know I supported him and I've interviewed him and I'm friends with the kids and I like him, I happen to love DeSantis right now, what's going on here in Florida of course.
Which we already did that game and we can talk about it a little bit if you want.
Do you find just in terms of being legal counsel for him, that because of his I'll say anything at any time, does that make you pull out some of the hair that's left?
Well, there used to be hair there before I represent.
I did all the pulling of hair that I can do.
And at this point, I'm convinced that you have to let him do it because he is a strange situation that I guess a lot of people accept but some don't.
He actually is an innocent man who's being falsely accused.
And the frustration, now having gone through a little of that myself, not at the level that he has, but they went after me for two years, took all my documents, took my iCloud account without telling me, listened to three years of my conversation without my knowing it, it does produce a certain Reaction that nobody's going to have until they go through it.
You know when I interviewed him I asked him about this and it probably relates to a little bit of your trajectory as well, but when I would watch, and I remember watching these things in the late 80s, 90s, watching him on Phil Donahue or watching him on Oprah, you know his affect was very soft.
There was a very pleasant way of doing everything and like a warmth and everything else, right.
From the times I've met him, yes.
But then I think the machine hits you so hard, you start becoming more gruff, you start becoming whatever, and then I think that leads to this.
There were a lot of Rubens that lived in New York City in those years.
They've all since fled.
They stayed for you and then got out.
But my point is that someone like you, you were on Seinfeld, the number one sitcom in the country in 1994, and it's like Hollywood would not do something with you now.
And it's the same thing with Trump.
He was in Home Alone 2, and now they edited his scene out when they put it on... How about I hosted Saturday Night Live?
Luckily, we didn't put our life at risk by coming across the border like you did between East and West Berlin.
Right.
But I mean, that, I think, for New Yorkers particularly, and that's why so many of the people that come here are New Yorkers, that was like a, that was like a mind blower.
I mean, it just, like, here we are in, in oppression, and here we are in pretty much an open society, and they're losing less people than we are.
Which shocks the hell out of me because I was a mayor who took over a city that had had two major riots, including a pogrom.
And I vowed no riots.
I put a whole program in place that I borrowed, really, from a report that was done for Governor Cuomo, put a whole program in place on how to prevent a riot.
Since the day we put that program in effect, there's been no riots until then.
The most important one is the thing they violated right from the beginning.
You deal with the riot, if you can, even before it starts.
So the idea is, when the guy throws the first rock, arrest him.
The Dinkins idea was cooling off period.
Let him throw a couple of rocks.
If you arrest him, you're going to create the riot.
Let them bang up a couple of cars.
Maybe even bang up a couple of people.
But don't show too much police presence, and don't get involved early, because you'll make the riot worse.
My theory, based on thousands of years of criminology, and having been in the field for 40 years, is you deal with the smallest possible act, and it doesn't escalate.
So they were going to set up legal Very well inspected centers for legal marijuana with a limit on the amount of marijuana and a certain amount of vetting as to who gets it so you're not giving it to addicts.
They took so long fighting over how to do that, about three years, that over 1,000 illegal shops set up in between.
The people are half in confusion as to whether it's legal or illegal.
It is legal, but you can only buy it from a state store.
So because I know you're a conservative in certain senses, obviously you're a Republican, and at one time You were running for president as a Republican and you were mayor as a Republican, but I know you have some libertarian beliefs as well.
I do.
You're a little more liberal in certain things.
In terms of marijuana, I don't want to get too lost in this, but what would your policy be if you were mayor now and you see that there's this problem with this, you want people to be able to have individual autonomy, how do you balance those things in a city of 8 million people?
Do you think there's enough, I don't know if this is the word, I don't want to say good people, but do you think there's enough true New Yorkers, in the sense that you and I know what that means, to fix what's going on there?
I don't see another Rudy Giuliani that's going to do it at a political level, or even the people there anymore.
You go to New York, it doesn't feel like what we know New York was.
I don't think that's a question we can answer until somebody tries to answer it.
Because if that same question were asked in 1984, 85, 86, a lot of people would have said, a lot of people have tried, nobody succeeded, it doesn't work.
My answer is, and probably because I still am an idealist, yes.
There is a conceivable person and then change of opinion on the part of New Yorkers that could bring it about.
Now, a bit of good news, you look at the last gubernatorial election, even the last mayoral
election where Adams beat Curtis Slewa.
Curtis did much better than the usual Republican, probably as well as anyone since Bloomberg
How do you feel, personally, when you're walking around now, where, you know, you once were the hero of the city?
I mean, I will never, it is so ingrained in me, those days in 9-11, and I lived up by Gracie Mansion at the time, I was on 90th and York, and just, you basically saved that city, and in some ways the country, truly.
Walking around then, And the aftermath of that versus walking around now?
It's a running joke on our show, sadly, where I ask the guys, I guess, basically, how many people shot and killed, but it's never covered on mainstream media, because of course it doesn't... And please realize, they're mostly black people.
Does that also drive you nuts how everything still in 2023 from a certain set of people is so racial when you were mayor of the most diverse in the good sense of diverse, where everybody, you know, whether we loved each other or not, we were, I always think like, if you went on a sub, it's now 1997, you're on the subway in New York City.
Everybody from planet Earth is on that subway, and maybe some people not from planet Earth, and we're not killing each other.
And so New York was what America is really supposed to be.
Yeah, you know, one of these days I've got to have a camera with me for two or three days, just walk down the city.
I think people would be shocked by the number of minorities that come up and thank me.
I think they think in New York I must be very unpopular.
If I go to a democratic city, I'm very unpopular.
Not New York.
Not New York.
New York I get a little bit, but I get much more of, we want you back, we don't care if you—some of them will come up to me and say, it usually starts this way.
We used to love you.
You were a great mayor, great prosecutor.
I always know what's going to happen.
And then you supported Trump.
Now I get a final part of the chapter, and we forgive you.
And sticking with it and not paying attention to the know-it-alls.
They used to be just know-it-alls.
Now they're worse.
Now I think they're part of an ideology, almost part of a conspiracy.
The press, when you watch the way in which they censored, that was highly organized.
I don't know how close.
I used to notice this when I represented Trump in the impeachment proceedings.
Every day they leaked something.
You'd listen to the shows and they'd all say precisely the same words.
It was like they were reading from the same playlist that was put out by the The bureau, the Biden Bureau or the Democratic Bureau, you know, the report's been debunked.
The report's been debunked.
The report's been debunked.
Biden knew nothing about his son's foreign dealings.
Biden knew nothing about his son's foreign dealings.
Now it's become Biden wasn't in business with his son.
Well, the other line that Biden keeps saying, which I think shows like the craziest level of all of this, is when Biden has repeatedly said he's never discussed business with his son.
As a father, what an insane statement that he never discussed.
He had no idea what his son was doing for a living.
So the minute I see as a prosecutor, I paid for all the expenses of the family.
I go subpoena all the mortgages, I go subpoena all the credit cards, and I create a, I work with the honest IRS, and we create a big ledger of how much he paid for.
How much did Hunter pay for, for Joe?
And how does that equate with the bribe money he was getting?
And you have on one side of the ledger, the money's being paid for Hunter for no reason Having to do with Hunter, I mean, China didn't pay $31 million to a degenerate drug addict so he could buy coke.
They had another purpose.
And now you see the money flowing to him and you figure out the purpose.
And then with China, you can put down a list of all the favors that Joe did for China.
Just for the heck of it, given up Bagram Air Base, 400 miles from China.
I don't think any patriotic American would have given up that airbase.
They'd have to have killed me to give up that airbase.
400 miles from China, when we know that China may possibly go to war with us one day, and we're right on their back door and can bomb the living daylights out of them if we have to.
How aware were you that there were cameras with you and that you had to maintain a certain layer of confidence?
Because that's what it was for the city.
I just assumed.
I remember you going down the street, mobs of people around you, I remember Carrick there, and you were always focused and calm, there was no sense of like, oh, this guy doesn't know what he's doing, as we're literally thinking that there's more terrorists on the way.
100% aware of the fact that people were gonna watch me, and they were gonna react based on how I reacted, and when I would find out that a good friend of mine, or pretty close to a best friend of mine had just died, I would say to myself, I'm going to think about that tomorrow.
And I remember being told about Father Judge being dead, the first one.
And I could feel tears coming up.
And I said to myself, not today.
Not today.
Only break, and that was at the first or second press conference.
After we finished, one of the reporters, Marsha, asked me, Did you hear the tape of the woman on the plane going into the Pentagon talking to her husband about their slitting, people's slitting throats?
I had just given him a going away party at Gracie Mansion with him and 200 people, his family.
Got to know his whole family.
No, these were my special people.
I would go to their football games, their hockey games, try to get them out of trouble when they'd start fighting the police and the fire at the hockey games.
We all got tossed out of Madison Square Garden.
I mean, these are my guys, my people.
And I could see their cars when I was standing there, and I knew who they were based on their police car or fire car.
I knew they were in the building.
And I knew the kind of guys they were.
When we gave the order to evacuate, I knew they were going to say, We'll evacuate when the civilians are off the floor, because they were criticized for not responding immediately.
But it's such a naive thing to think of, right?
They're on a floor.
There are 100 people on the floor.
We say evacuate, and they run away?
I mean, what kind of firefighter is that?
My guys are going to wait until everybody's off the floor.
Those are the ones who survived, the ones who died.
They were remarkable people.
Remarkable people.
The level of courage, unmatched.
And somehow, even though it's a great tragedy, that feeling of courage elevates you.
Mr. Mayor, I don't know that I could possibly end a show better than that, and as my last thing before I go off the grid, what a pleasure to be with you as always, and I thank you for your time.