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Debunking the Media's Lies About Events in Brazil | Matthew Tyrmand | INTERNATIONAL | Rubin Report
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matthew tyrmand
They put the protesters in buses.
It started off with 400.
Then it was 1,200.
The last number I heard was that they captured about 1,700 people.
And they bring them to the federal police training facility in Brasilia, stick them in the gymnasium.
No food, no water, no bathrooms.
Young kids, no food.
Old women, dehydrated.
Intel says, and it's been pretty well verified, that at least one person's died.
That day I heard two people, now they say it's up to four or five.
And they basically create a gulag, which are being called in Brazil, lulacs, lula gulags, in Portmanteau.
And now, after two days of that, that was Monday and Tuesday, They let the women and children go.
By the way, the images of old people sitting in puddles of their own urine because there are no bathrooms.
Sweltering conditions.
No food, no water.
They let the older women and the women and children go.
And on the condition, and we have these floating around, a denunciation page.
You have to sign it to be released saying, I am a terrorist.
I assaulted democracy.
And this now has them on lists.
dave rubin
They will never get a job again.
Matthew, finally, welcome to The Rubin Report.
How are you?
matthew tyrmand
It's an honor to be with you, Dave.
You forgot the most important honorific.
Friend.
dave rubin
And friend, you are one of the people in our little Florida crew here, our little Florida freedom crew.
Basically, this is home base for sanity throughout the world.
I've wanted to have you on for quite some time because, you know, there's this whole Well, I know you know this.
There is this whole situation, let's say, happening in Brazil, which has been unfolding after these elections for the last couple months.
I've only talked about it maybe two or three times on the show.
It is not my area of expertise.
But the crazier it seems to get out there with the visuals of the protesters and everything else, it seems to me the more the mainstream media is ignoring it.
And that's one of the things that always lights up in my mind, like, oh, mainstream media is ignoring it, we better pay attention to it.
You basically...
Have been, I don't know, possibly the most outspoken person from an American perspective on what's going on in Brazil.
So let's do this.
Can you give me 30 seconds on your background, why people should trust you on this topic, and then let's do a little Brazil 101 and then get people caught up to speed on what's going on over there right now.
matthew tyrmand
Sure.
As I said, great to be with you and, you know, thank you from, you know, on my behalf as well as Brazilians behalf because they feel very, very ignored and I've become somewhat of their voice sort of for the Western press from a right-wing perspective, a conservative perspective, an honest perspective as they've been totally, their voice has been negated as their laws have been abrogated.
And I, you know, I didn't expect Brazil to be my beat.
I'm an investigative journalist and a political activist.
I wear my politics on my sleeve.
Everybody knows it.
This is not, you know, my vocation professionally.
I do not make money as an activist or in campaigns or in journalism.
I do it because of the love of the game and the belief in truth to power.
You know, we have mutual friends like James O'Keefe.
I'm on the board of Project Veritas.
I help manage a group in Chicago called Open the Books that does forensic audit in the public sector.
All things I believe are important to, you know, make a more honest society because our society is as broken as it's ever been.
I did not expect Brazil to be my beat.
I've been covering a lot of international geopolitics from a European perspective.
I'm a Polish dual citizen.
I live in Europe a good chunk of the time.
I've certainly covered Russia, Ukraine, especially from the Polish perspective, given that they're sort of in the line of fire.
But, you know, I cover the sovereigntist movements in Europe, Westphalian sovereignty, as expressed in politics, whether it's Poland or Hungary, or the right-wing parties in Sweden and Spain and France and Germany, etc., etc.
I didn't expect to do Brazil, but here we are.
I went there for CPAC in 21 with Jason Miller, gave a speech about exactly this, honest media, free press, culture war.
And lo and behold, as we were exiting the country, we were detained by Alexander Marias, the Supreme Court, which we will speak about, and interrogated and asked to write down the names of who we met with, the politicians, the activists, the journalists.
And it had a very Stalinist feel to it.
You know, give us the next tranche of our enemies list.
Of course we did not comply with that.
And from that, I, you know, germinate an interest.
I want to understand exactly... Wait, wait, wait.
unidentified
Hold on.
dave rubin
I gotta, I gotta pause you there.
You're trying to leave a country.
unidentified
Yes.
dave rubin
They ask you for the list.
They detain you.
You don't comply.
unidentified
Yes.
dave rubin
That's not an easy thing to do.
I think you glossed over how that ended.
matthew tyrmand
Well, they said we were not under arrest.
We were part of what they call the fake news investigation.
And we'll talk about this for years.
The court and the burgeoning judicial autocracy had put every one of the political enemies of the court of the Lula camp into this box of By being critical of the court or any of the things in government that was not aligned with Bolsonaro, they were assaulting democratic institutions.
That's the sort of framework that they applied.
And so they've had this fake news investigation that has given them the pretext to censor journalists, arrest journalists, even arrest sitting members of the lower house.
In Brazil, they put Daniel Silveira under house arrest.
A lot of ankle bracelets rolling around there.
And so I knew that going in to some degree.
I got educated more on the ground.
Jason Miller and I, and as people don't know, this is Trump's sort of campaign main comms guy.
Very, very close to Trump.
Very, very high profile figure in his own right.
And he was building out Getter at the time, still is, an alternative to Twitter that, you know, is more egalitarian, freedom-oriented, especially as Twitter was a highly censored platform, as we all know, as I know you know.
And so he was going to talk about that at CPAC and promote it.
And I was talking about, you know, private veritas and media.
And I organized, because I am quite friendly over the years with Eduardo Bolsonaro and other members of the Bolsonaro family, I organized a meeting with all of us in Jair Bolsonaro, the sitting president, at the palace, and those pictures that we posted went viral.
And it turned out that on the Sunday, we were leaving on a Monday, on the Sunday after CPAC had concluded, news stories broke in the stenographer press, the guild-carrying mainstream press of Brazil, which It actually makes CNN here look downright honest.
I mean, these guys were really, really, really propped up, really propagandist.
Incidentally, not surprisingly, they were also on the payroll of the previous regimes quite heavily.
State-owned enterprises were funding much of their revenue, advertising and whatever else.
So they reported on a Sunday afternoon before we were supposed to leave that we'd been under surveillance from the moment we landed.
And I told Jason, you know, I spent a lot of time in Central and Eastern Europe, post-communist nations, I've been tapped.
I've been surveilled.
I've been watched.
I've been dragged into kangaroo court hearings.
None of this stuff surprises me.
And I told him, and I said, there's a good chance we're going to be detained at the airport.
And he goes, no, you're being paranoid.
I'm not being paranoid.
I think it'd be kind of great.
It would serve the point.
Perfectly.
I also have dual citizenship, which is kind of helpful.
And we were.
So we were leaving on Monday to fly out, and before we can get to our plane, they say, you know, please come with us.
And they put, we had a traveling party of four, Jason, myself, and two dual Brazilian American citizens
that came with us and also had been involved with CPAC.
And they really, Jason was the main one they wanted to talk to.
And so they let us sit on the plane for a little bit and three, four hours goes by, lawyers are called,
State Department lawyers called.
They say, well, you're screwed, get another lawyer.
So they weren't very helpful.
Eventually, Jason was able to procure a good lawyer through Brazilian context to come and help extricate us.
But it became a big story when we were flying out.
Politico, CNN, Forbes, Business Insider, they all picked it up about our detention.
But it was very, very instructive of how heavy-handed they are.
Here we are, you know, not Brazilians, just coming in in a constitutional republic.
We can come and speak our ideas.
Well, or so we thought apparently not without some sort of repercussion and they wanted to probe and understand who we met with to add to their enemies list.
So from that moment on, I just said, I'm going to go deep.
I'm going to talk to people.
I'm going to really understand the history, how we got here, the mechanisms of power that are in place and being utilized to clamp down.
on opposition and I learned a lot in the following months and I published on it
ahead of the election and I basically predicted that this election would be
filled with you know to use a generous term anomalies but this even Tucker said
it the other night when I was on the fix was in the fix was in you know the real
genesis of the fix being in was this court subsuming all these powers that
are generally broken down in a constitutional republic they are they're
Remember, Audubon Bismarck said, politics is the art of the possible.
They just do it.
And the power assumptions they've done by censoring journalists, by shaping the narrative, by forcing people and cowing them into submission is overwhelming.
I wrote in one of my articles, the powers they've taken would make Mugabe blush.
It would be akin to in the U.S.
if we had one tribunal that had all the powers of the DOJ, say Merrick Garland, the head of the FBI enforcement, The Supreme Court, of course, you know, like Ruth Bader Ginsburg also.
So if you wrapped up all these people, Eric Holder, everyone who is fighting, you know, the American right, and you gave one body and one person all of their powers combined, that's what the Supreme Court has become.
And as a result, it's up for quite gross abuse.
One of their biggest gross abuses was they- Wait, hold on, let me pause you for a sec,
dave rubin
because there's a lot here I want to make sure we don't get ahead of ourselves.
First off, everything that you just described there, I feel like is basically slow motion happening
in this country, I mean, in this country that we're in right now, that's one problem.
But okay, so there was a centralization of power.
This is last year first when you got detained.
Now you're deep into this thing.
You're predicting sort of what's gonna happen with the election.
And I don't wanna get too, just because I'm trying to intro everybody to this, I don't wanna get too lost in all of the weeds of this.
So let's just flash a little bit towards the election.
So it's a couple days before the election.
What were you thinking was gonna happen?
And can you just describe the two candidates a little bit?
Because it really is, in essence, this is a capitalist versus socialist fight that's happening there.
matthew tyrmand
Yeah, and very, very basic.
I mean, hard right, hard left.
You know, the Brazilian right is more and more evangelical.
Brazil's always been Catholic.
Brazil's populism, that Bolsonaro really became the head of, and he was a legislator before his career military, then he was a legislator in the lower house, a congressman.
They call it the Chamber of Deputies.
The populism that he came in with to Brazil was really reactionary.
Obviously, we saw what's going on in the whole world.
Poland and Hungary reacting against the EU overreach of their sovereign decision-making capacity on borders, on economics, on everything.
Trump.
Brexit.
So, Bolsonaro comes in in 2018, and he obviously is a conservative, he's a right-winger, very, very strongly aligned with evangelicals, with Israel, very much a believer in Brazil first.
And also a guy warning about China's deep integration into the ever more communist Latin America.
And the important history is why Bolsonaro's reaction.
Because before Bolsonaro, you had Lula da Silva, Dilma Rousseff, and Michael Temer.
Lula was a two-term president.
Who was impeached, convicted, and sent to jail for a very, very famous, maybe one of the largest public corruption scandals in the history of the world.
It's called Operation Car Wash.
It's so brazen and overdone that even the Wikipedia is accurate because you can't spin billions of dollars stolen.
They call it Lava Jato in Brazil.
And they were selling under Lula's presidency, essentially the state assets, natural resource
assets, state assets for cash in bags to the Chinese, to others, taking nice commissions
for themselves.
Huge money was changing hands within their cabal.
And also very importantly, sending money to Cuba via Petrobras.
Petrobras is the state oil company, one of the biggest in the world.
And they were helping support Cuba by giving them free oil, even though it's a joint stock
company with international investors.
So very, very, very illegal stuff.
He was convicted of a dozen charges by 19 judges in three separate hearings, three separate court trials.
So when they say, oh, well, it was it was fixed, it was wrong.
unidentified
No, no.
matthew tyrmand
Three separate tribunals of 19 judges unanimously convicted him of 12 charges and sentenced him to 12 years in jail.
His judicial appointees, him and Dilma, people from his own party, they appoint these judges, Supreme Court and other courts, they let him out citing a jurisdictional technicality.
Now that is an absolute canard, because he's still from the entire country, so in sort of the jurisprudence along the Brazilian constitutional lines, There are no jurisdictions where he would not be eligible for trial because he stole from everybody.
And these judges that unanimously found him guilty, these were not Bolsonaro people.
These people predated Bolsonaro by many years.
And in fact, even the mainstream media at the time was covering it.
Even the military, when we talk about the Brazilian military and the mixed bag of their political allegiances, they were defending the protesters on the street when this broke.
So he goes to jail.
Dilma Rousseff, his vice president in essence, takes over.
She ends up impeached and convicted for the same thing.
She gets kicked out of office.
Her vice president, Michael Temer, comes in and only serves out two years.
Very, very pro-China.
When he left, he had 7% approval, which is, you know, pretty historic lows for any constitutional republic to have 7% approval of a head of state.
Bolsonaro got elected on a wave of this, just discontent Lula, politically, is, you know, I read sometimes in mainstream press now that they are covering it because it's expedient to do so to further their narrative.
He's a socialist.
He's not a socialist.
He's a communist.
He is a full-on Marxist.
Hammer and Sickles, five-pointed stars.
In 1990, he co-founded the São Paulo Forum with, drumroll please, Fidel Castro.
And the genesis of this was the Soviet Union was breaking down between 89 and 91.
The Soviet Union, for the better part of 50 or 60 years, was feeding money to Cuba and using Cuba as the base of operations for this hemisphere to incubate and inculcate Marxist political movements all over Latin America.
So, with the Soviet Union that well running dry, Lula and Fidel realized they needed to do it, and you couldn't do it out of Cuba, per se, because of all the sanctions.
So, Lula created in Brazil the São Paulo Forum as an incubating vehicle, like a think tank, like an AEI on the right, or a Brookings, or a World Economic Forum, to push the ideas and to teach the political players.
And they were very much behind the rise of Chavismo, Chávez, Maduro.
There is no Latin American communist that did not go through Forum São Paulo trainings.
Ortega in Nicaragua, Morales in Bolivia, Arce who's now in Bolivia, Maduro and Chavez, Kirchner, Fernandez, and more recently in Colombia, which was sort of a righty country because of the reaction against the Marxist guerrilla narcotraficantes of FARC, You now have a leader named Petro, who also was a Marxist guerrilla with another sort of drug-moving guerrilla force.
He's now head under some questionable election runnings of the election.
And then in Chile, another country that sort of bounced between right and center-left, was never a hard left, Bolivia or Venezuela.
Now you've got Boric, another student Marxist leader that was incubated by the South Palo Forum.
Brazil is the gold standard.
Brazil is what they needed to bring it all together.
So the judges released him, made him a sort of figurehead.
He couldn't go, I mean, it sounds familiar, he couldn't go out and campaign, much like Biden.
But, you know, when Biden couldn't campaign, it was because there was no enthusiasm.
When Lula couldn't campaign, it's because if he went into public and walked down the street, He'd be ripped limb from limb like Qaddafi.
He's not liked everybody in the country.
I even was on a Twitter spaces the other day and I even got the communists who were on the spaces in this debate to concede.
Oh yeah, of course he was guilty of public corruption.
Everybody knows that, which I started tweeting at them that they admitted that for their base.
dave rubin
All right, so wait, let's pause for a second.
So okay, so there's a lot here.
So I want to make sure everyone's following all this.
So you have the communist that was in charge for a while.
There's all this corruption.
He's basically selling the country off to China piece by piece.
Eventually he gets released, starts this forum.
You've explained how this sort of got exported.
matthew tyrmand
The forum in 1990.
So this is basically where he built his political...
dave rubin
So now this is sort of exported all through the region.
Now let's get, then Balnesaro takes over, he has a couple pretty good years actually, but then we have this election.
So get us caught up really starting a little bit before the election, because I want people to understand really what some of the, because we're going to show some B-roll as you're talking, of the protests and everything post-election.
But I want people to understand why there are these people out there, what they are doing, and how our media is trying to really, really paint them in this, you know, these are the ultra-mega-Republicans that are out there doing all this stuff.
matthew tyrmand
Yeah.
Now, this is a silent majority center.
I mean, these are not, you know, oath-keeper Proud Boys as much as they'd like to spin it.
So very, very important is that Bolsonaro comes in in 18.
Very, very quickly, the rallies around him are driven toward the debate over elections because people know, much like Hillary Clinton and Trump, they didn't expect Bolsonaro to win.
The establishment, the leftist establishment, the courts, the media, they thought they would be fine.
Bolsonaro actually won, and I really believe that it was, you know, this sort of circumstance.
He got stabbed while on the campaign trail, and he was almost assassinated, almost murdered.
And the strength he showed inspired a lot of people.
He was back on the campaign trail.
I mean, he was near death.
He was in the ICU.
And then he's back on the campaign trail, and he ekes in the victory.
And of course now they're apocalyptic.
Now they have to go especially aggressive, the establishment.
And how do we undermine him?
And how do we make sure this doesn't happen again?
Very, very important data point.
When he was in Congress, he sponsored a bill that was passed to have backup paper ballots to the electronic voting machines, which they started using a certain Venezuelan company in 2016.
And people kind of knew, we don't trust our Latin American democracies because we're, this is not like, you know, us thinking back a hundred years ago.
This is for them 20, 30 years ago, what Latin America looked like.
Military dictatorships, heavily Marxist rule in many of the countries, it kind of bounces back and forth.
And so people knew that, you know, they're always one step away from going back to that.
And so massive rallies in the street, give us paper.
I was there in Brasilia when I saw a rally and the chants are, give us paper ballots.
That is what they want.
So he pushes a bill in 16 that, you know, four backup paper ballots.
Dilma was president at the time.
She vetoes it, citing, you'll love this, the cost.
So the machines themselves are $20,000, the printers $100.
And she's like, well, this is fiscally irresponsible to put a printer in the, and everybody knew
that was a BS, a BS, you know, reasoning.
dave rubin
So can't you just borrow the money from China?
matthew tyrmand
Yeah, well, I mean, it's a de minimis cost right now, printers.
The beauty of capitalism, prices go down.
So it goes back to Congress.
Congress overrides the veto.
That never happens.
Brazilian parliamentary, congressional politics, legislative politics, very fragmented.
It's not like two parties.
There's like 10 parties and really five frames, center left, hard left, center, center right, hard right,
and then multiple parties in each one.
Overwhelming support for this in the legislature.
And then, so it now overrides for veto, it gets passed, Supreme Court strikes it down citing privacy issues.
So they were very at war with paper ballots because they knew that that would be auditable.
So now he's talking about this as president and people are obviously nervous coming in
because they let Lula out of prison.
Lula, and they're citing all the international press, Lula's back out, technicality, absolute nonsense, you know, because the criminality was so high, everybody knew it.
So now the court is going full interference mode in every which way.
Arresting and censoring journalists was a great journalist here in the US Alan dos Santos.
He's like Brazil's Tucker Carlson I mean like if you could pick one journalist who represents the voice of the people from a conservative and right wing perspective.
He's been exiles, they ransacked his house and he escaped and claimed asylum here he has sort of a sort of temporary asylum.
And more recently, they've revoked his passport and put out Interpol red notices for him.
This is how heavy handed they are.
They arrested sitting members of Congress, dozens of journalists, as I mentioned before, a lot of ankle bracelets, a lot of home detentions, frozen bank accounts, deplatforming.
They started going after big tech.
And saying, anytime we send you somebody to de-platform, you have to take them off or we will fine you.
If you ignore the fines, we will come after you.
We will kick you out of the country.
And even Facebook, initially, and YouTube pushed back.
We're talking like four years ago or so.
They said, no, we don't see grounds for a social media suspension or a blacklist or a ban.
And they said, well, we don't care if you see grounds.
If you don't do it, we're going to raid your servers and kick you out of the country.
And by the way, this Supreme Court, Has their own federal police force like an FBI that's loyal to them.
So they have real power real muscle behind you know, what was the Supreme Court supposed to do in a constitutional republic adjudicate legislation if it's constitutional or not, they're so far beyond that, and the guy who runs it wasn't a judge.
He was a prosecutor.
He was a very famous, zealous, political prosecutor from Sao Paulo that Temer pointed out.
This is guy Alexander Marais.
For anybody who, like, is researching Brazil, looks at my articles or anything on social media, he's the guy who looks like Brazilian Lex Luthor.
He looks exactly like Lex Luthor.
I mean, a big shit eating grin on his face, drunk with power.
And he's literally, he just has anybody he doesn't like arrested.
So Bolsonaro tried to fight back on it, but he was kind of hamstrung.
The legislature wasn't overwhelmingly for Bolsonaro either.
I mean, very fragmented.
So now you have leading into the election, all the polls done by the usual suspects,
the mainstream press, Globo, Folha, the equivalent of CNN,
are saying that Lula's up by like 20 points.
He's gonna win in a landslide.
Well, the end of the first round, Lula was up by three or four points,
neither got over 50%.
And really, as I believe I proved in my CDM media, I write for an outlet called CDM.press.
The publisher's name is Todd Wood, ex-military.
He does not afraid of anything, so he'll publish me.
I touch some third rails.
And I did some statistical analysis with an international group of forensic auditors and analysts in Electoral distributions, political science, and what we saw in just the first round, let alone second round, was that Bolsonaro was well up initially until the ballot drops skewed after the first 10 or so percent of precincts.
Every single one therein was 55-45 Lula, including in regions, I mean certainly in regions where were historical leftist strongholds.
Poor areas in the Amazon, a lot of indigenous tribes people used to vote for Lula, for Dilma, for the socialist programs like Bolsa Familia, redistributing wealth.
Well, it turns out that in those precincts, there were zero votes for Bolsonaro, which was so brazen because many of the... Bolsonaro did bring a lot of people together.
People really did like him on the ground.
And they ended up in these marches and as protest leaders, the indigenous tribal leaders, and they have special rights in the Brazilian constitution.
They don't have, it's almost like American Indian, Native American reservations.
There's sort of a dual legal code and some things apply to them, some things don't.
And so they were leading the protest movements as well.
And the chief of the Javanchi tribe, Cesare, is still in jail from January 12th on.
My intel tells me they've been torturing him trying to get him to sign a self-denunciation and public apology to Marias.
This is coming from his family and his fellow tribe members.
So the first round, they're marching because they're like, no, we did vote for Bolsonaro.
There's no way in these precincts in our region that there were zero votes.
So we know that there was gross fraud.
In the second round, the clampdowns came down because there's a first round, if you don't win a simple majority, and there was like six or seven candidates.
Nobody got over 50%.
So it goes to a runoff between Bolsonaro and Lula four weeks after the first round, October 2nd, Sunday, October 2nd, then Sunday, October 30th.
And then the same exact thing happens in the second round.
Bolsonaro is way up initially, and then the ballot drops start 55-45, give or take, until they both cross over, both the first round and the second round, they crossed over to a Lula lead at 66.66% of precincts reporting, which is like, you know, and by the way, if you're a mathematician, the standard deviation sort of differentials and Fibonacci level, 66.66 is a very important number in statistics for a reason.
And so it was kind of interesting with the algorithms how it somehow ended up there.
dave rubin
Okay, again, let me pause you for a sec.
So basically, there's all this corruption, he's running on this idea that we have to secure our elections.
There's a reason I wanted to do this for my audience that mostly focuses on American politics.
The themes here, obviously, are transcending borders.
So then, okay, there's the first one, there's the second one, and now people are going, something really isn't right because what they're seeing out of the media is really not matching up with what they're seeing on the ground.
Again, this sort of seems familiar.
matthew tyrmand
Here's another important point between the first round and the second round.
In the first round, Bolsonaro's party did unprecedentedly well.
Regents that they never secured governorships for senators or lower house legislators.
They never had that representation.
His party on the strength of his endorsement alone, one handily unprecedented.
How much 27, 19 out of 27, one third of the Senate seats, 81 Senate seats are up.
One third of them.
And he got 19 out of that one third, 27.
That is a massive mandate.
Governorships.
So down ballot, everybody performed well.
And these are not people who even had political identities.
Their entire identity was predicated on the fact Bolsonaro said, okay, go for this guy.
And they won easily.
So again, everyone's like, something's rotten in the state of Brazil, to paraphrase Hamlet.
They start marching on the second round.
The day after October 30th, so October 31st, that Monday, that was the first I'm sure to show some of this footage.
dave rubin
Yeah, so we'll play some footage right now just that you can keep going and we're just going to show you because these were extraordinary images.
matthew tyrmand
We're not talking tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands.
We're not even talking millions.
We're talking eight figures.
People in the streets, not just in Brasilia or the major cities like Sao Paulo and Rio or Belo Horizonte.
We're talking leftist strongholds in the north like Recife.
Every city in the country, their town square was filled.
With people screaming about this, saying, no, we, and you know, part of it is they also know communism.
They don't want to be communism.
They know Lula is an actual communist.
And so the protests are massive.
And as I was saying on, you know, a lot of the appearances, the revolution will not be televised.
Not a single Reuters dispatch, BBC, NBC, NPR, nothing.
Silas Globo, their fake news media, decides that they want to prove to the world how there are no protests.
So they go to a back alley and go, see, nobody's here.
That's how gross and Pravda and Soviet and brazen it is.
The protests accelerate into the certification.
The certification, and by the way, very important, there is the Supreme Court, which is the, you know, creme de la creme of the pyramidical distribution of judiciary.
But right under the Supreme Court is the Electoral Court, the Tribune Superior Electoral.
Guess what they do?
They oversee the elections, administer the elections.
Guess who's the head of it?
The same Chief Justice appointed himself from the Supreme Court, Alexander Moraes, as head of the Electoral Court, so he's been head of the Electoral Court as well, and uses that as anytime somebody leading into the election, between the first and the second round, after the second round says the election might have been fraudulent, Electoral Court says you're assaulting the democratic institution, you're besmirching the faith and integrity of our elections, you're under arrest, your bank account's frozen, you've been deplatformed on social media.
So gross abuses, Soviet style, in power.
Now, the military wakes up and they say, well, the Constitution says in Article 142, we have the role in society of when there's a separation of powers dispute to adjudicate.
And as we have now, the judiciary is at odds with the executive branch.
And so it's the military's job to adjudicate it.
So they file a petition to audit the machines, the tabulation date, and the source code, which is very much their constitutional right and responsibility.
The electoral court says, pound sand.
They ignore it entirely.
Military puts out a 65-page audit report that says, well, we can't give anything conclusive because they wouldn't let us near the actual evidence.
Then right after that, You've got the head of the party, Bolsonaro's party, the Liberal Party, PL, say, follow the court.
We also, we found fraud.
We're petitioning the court to address this.
They say, this is nonsense.
You are guilty of fraud by telling us that we are possibly fraudulent.
We're going to fine your party 22 million reais, five, six million bucks.
And now you're under criminal investigation for fake news and assaulting democratic institutions.
So, I mean, we see a pattern here.
dave rubin
Yes, there is something going on.
matthew tyrmand
The vice titans, more and more.
Now, I said this, you know, Bolsonaro did not, you know, prevail in this election.
The trend towards Venezuela would be very, very quick.
And I am even shocked with my cynicism how quick it's been.
So now we have, you know, the military does fail to act and invoke martial law.
I believe Bolsonaro was pushing that.
He had some generals behind him, some not behind him.
In the end, he leaves, Lula comes in, and now you have this protest that was very well telegraphed.
I mean, I was seeing stuff all over social media.
We're marching on Brasilia into Three Powers Square.
Three Powers Square is the picture where you have this sort of sunken-in giant field in between the three major buildings, the National Congress, the Supreme Court, and the presidential executive branch palace, the Palo Alto.
That's where you guys are from.
And they marched to this, and now we already have videos after the fog of war that show there were agent provocateurs already in the National Congress, taking hammers to the windows, screwing up all the chairs, ripping stuff off the wall, waiting for the throngs of people to enter, and then, hey guys, come in, the water's nice.
They came in, you have videos of the protesters, and by the way, it's almost like a kind of kumbaya, like, you've never seen such a cross-section of society.
Every race.
male and female, every age, 10 year old kids, 80 year old men and women, all together.
And then they're arguing with the agent provocateurs, no, don't break that.
dave rubin
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
matthew tyrmand
Don't rip that off the wall.
Don't, you know, don't bang a chair until the legs fall off.
Like they're arguing, we have tons of videos of this.
Then the National Guard, the federal police come in And they have a little bit of a standoff with the military police who are generally defending the protesters because the military's job is to defend the Constitution, not to defend the judicial autocracy and takeover of the country and the shredding of the Constitution.
And there's a little standoff.
The federal police prevail.
They put the protesters in buses.
It started off with 400.
Then it was 1,200.
The last number I heard was that they captured about 1,700 people and they bring them to the federal police training facility in Brasilia.
Stick them in the gymnasium.
No food, no water, no bathrooms.
Young kids, no food.
Old women, dehydrated.
Intel says, and it's been pretty well verified, that at least one person's died.
That day I heard two people.
Now they say it's up to four or five.
And they basically create a gulag, which are being called in Brazil lulacs.
Lula gulags.
dave rubin
Yeah.
matthew tyrmand
Portmanteau.
And now, after two days of that, that was Monday and Tuesday, They let the women and children go.
By the way, the images of old people sitting in puddles of their own urine because there are no bathrooms, sweltering conditions, no food, no water.
They let the older women and the women and children go.
And on the condition, and we have these floating around, a denunciation page, you have to sign it to be released saying, I am a terrorist.
I assaulted democracy, and this now has them on lists.
They will never get a job again.
And they take all the men, and I guess some of the more able-bodied younger women.
They're now in the equivalent of a federal penitentiary.
No due process.
They have not had access to counsel.
We have videos that have been leaked that show, just kill us already.
You've basically taken everything.
The despair, the despondency.
And now, of course, they're clamping down.
They just shut down yesterday Brazil's version of Fox News, Jovem Pan.
It was shut down by Fiat.
So now there's no alternative media whatsoever.
They've shut down everybody on the right social media.
The list of people who have been deplatformed on social media is now into the tens of thousands.
And they're clapping down.
Now, the Alexander de Moraes has suspended the governor of the federal district, the state where
Brasilia is a part of, suspended the governor for 90 days.
He doesn't have the power to do it, but he did it, saying that, well, you did not help us defend it.
I went on Tucker and said that a senator, who's not a Bolsonaro
party member at all, found documents.
They were documents submitted by security agencies to Flavio Dino, the justice minister,
and Lula saying that there was going to be unrest on Sunday.
We should cordon off the buildings so that it's not, you know, an insurrection.
I mean, it kind of reminds you of Nancy Pelosi, who the Capitol Hill police report to.
I mean, right?
Tucker said it as well, you know, it's a template now.
dave rubin
So all these pieces, I think people are following along, even if they're missing some of the specifics that you're talking about.
The big pieces here all feel very familiar to a lot of things that have been happening across the West.
And even the way our mainstream media was ignoring everything for months, then finally the events of basically the last week happen and they can start just claiming that it's a bunch of insurrectionists and this is This is MAGA exported and the rest of it, and that's what we're seeing out of all of our Democrat politicians, the ones who are speaking about it, and out of our media machinery.
matthew tyrmand
I'm reading that, you know, I read in Vanity Fair and Politico and I was watching a post that, you know, this was coordinated.
Tucker alluded to this.
Now the media is covering this, right?
The revolution wouldn't be televised for eight weeks.
dave rubin
Right, when they got the images they wanted.
matthew tyrmand
Then all of a sudden I'm getting asked for comment, and all of a sudden I'm reading.
I organized it because I was covering it.
Or Bannon, because I've been doing War Room every day on it.
Bannon understands global communism.
So we've been covering this for even months leading in, that Brazil's been the most important electoral battleground in 2022 against global communism.
against China coming into Latin America and creating the Orwellian super state.
If you read 1984, Oceania, East Asia, that's Lula's goal.
He wants a South American super state. He's already floated one currency.
dave rubin
They were always at war.
matthew tyrmand
Exactly. They were always at war until they're not.
And then history gets revised.
They want one currency, which if you thought the euro was a bad idea, with southern Italy and Spain, with Germany and Amsterdam, Netherlands, two different types of economies merging into one currency, all the problems that's created.
How do you have Venezuela, an absolute communist rat hole that's been created out of the forum Sao Paulo, and Brazil, one of the wealthiest nations in the world, third largest economy in our hemisphere, second largest country, third after US, Canada, 220 million people.
Wealthy in oil, gas, magnesium, manganese, bauxite, tin, copper, gold.
Third or fourth largest food producer to the world.
Wheat, barley, oats.
You know, this is a big deal that China is going to have a very controlled foothold.
And by the way, also important, I don't believe Lula is the president of the country.
I mean, he is a name.
He's a figurehead.
They let him out of prison so they could have a figurehead.
They can have somebody that they could spin.
The people were with him.
It's Alexander Marias.
It has been wholesale taken over by the head of the judicial autocracy, the Supreme Court judge and electoral court judge who has taken all these powers and has weaponized them against political opposition.
You know what they're saying now?
They're saying they are not going to seat the right-wing legislators in the legislature.
dave rubin
Right, they're just not going to put them on.
matthew tyrmand
Because they're terrorists.
Because now after January 8th, Nicolas Ferreira is a young congressman who got more votes than anybody else in any of the ballots in Brazilian history.
And they are not going to seat him because he tweeted that, you know, this is the election fraudulent, that Marias is out of control.
So the terror, Carlos Zambelli, Bia Kicis, like hardcore political righties, are not only going to be not seated, many of them are going to be put in jail very, very soon.
So this has gone from zero to Stalin in record time.
I thought it'd be Venezuela in 6 to 12 months.
Well, it's going to be, you know, the post-Bolshevik order in Russia in 1920-21 when the first Soviet government was formed.
It is going to be that.
Show trials, purges.
Probably gulags and mass executions.
That's what these people are capable of.
dave rubin
Okay, so in the remaining moments, again, there's just so much here, you're giving us a lot, and we'll do this again, and I want people to pay attention to this, because even when I, I think I retweeted one or two of the videos that you had posted, and the amount of people that I saw responses from saying, we're in Brazil, everyone's ignoring us, we're not terrorists, we're, I mean, all the, it's just like, they're being ignored or, you know, what people are saying about them is a complete manipulation of the truth.
At the moment, I think, Bolsonaro's here in Florida.
People have taken videos of him basically wandering around Publix and seeing what's going on over here.
So did he technically flee?
I mean, was that a midnight job?
matthew tyrmand
Uh, fight back with the fraudulent election.
Uh, the judiciary got to, I guess, some of the judges, threatened to arrest some of the, I'm sorry, the judiciary got to some of the generals, threatened to arrest him, have still threatened to arrest him now if they don't go and weaponize their forces against the protesters.
Uh, he was not able to get Article 142 invoked.
So, on the 30th, and you know, if you're a head of state, the American visa program is you can come in and out as you
please.
So he had to leave before his term was up on midnight the 31st and Lula was sworn in.
But I know him personally, he didn't want to be a part.
The changing of the guard has a symbolic optic where you hand the sash over.
You present the sash.
He didn't want to be a part of that.
He knows what this is.
So between that, the symbolic optics, and having to get out because if he was there, they would have arrested him that day.
They would have put him in jail that day.
And now they're going to try to extradite him.
He has telegraphed that he will go back to Brazil.
Uh, he may go into exile in Italy, for instance.
His family has an Italian background.
I think the Maloney government would give him refuge.
I suggested to them, go to Hungary.
They'll give a lot of people refuge.
But he's going to go back now, I believe, in short order.
But it's not going to end well for him.
And he said this to Jason and myself when we met with him.
This is going to end one of three ways.
In my arrest, my death, or my victory in prevailing.
And it doesn't look like victory in prevailing is going to happen.
So, now he did go to Florida, which I thought was Personally, I would have gone to Italy and put in a caretaker government by force, but hey, I'm not a Brazilian politician.
dave rubin
Not yet, anyway.
matthew tyrmand
I mean, he said he did not want to have civil war, his fingerprints on civil war.
My argument on that, and I know that, you know, Vanity Fair and Politico, they'll have a field day with this, is civil war, you have an option of winning, and you probably would have won, because the military, by and large, was with you.
170 of the highest ranking officers in an unprecedented act signed an open letter to Bolsonaro, publicized in media, we need you to act and invoke Article 142, otherwise we are going to be Venezuela.
Well, he didn't, and now it is Venezuela, but even more, it took Chavez a few years to really cement power.
He got power, democratically elected, coercively so, but democratically elected.
It wasn't until he held a sham referendum to cement power, I think it was in 2002, that it got really brutal and oppressive, and they went after dissidents and really took just unilateral control of the country.
This is happening in Brazil within a week.
dave rubin
So, in essence, he's in exile.
We'll see where he ends up.
Lulu is the, I suppose, titular head of state, but you're saying he's not even really in charge.
We'll see what happens to all of the quote-unquote insurrectionists.
The media will lie about pretty much everything.
Well, I guess, in summation, where should people go to find out more of something Approximate to honesty related to all of this, because if you turn on CNN for the little bit, or the one article that might be on the second page over at CNN.com, it's basically, as I said, it's the MAGA insurrectionists trying to destroy democracy just like they did in America.
matthew tyrmand
Well, one of the powerful things of Brazilian populism is that Brazil is, I think, and I'd love to see quantitative metrics on this, the most social media engaged country and citizenry in the world.
Everybody's on social media and they're active, they're engaged, they use technology very effectively.
There is no shortage of prima facie evidence from the ground of what has transpired and what's continuing to transpire.
Obviously, I'm a hub and spoke for it.
I've become a bit of an English-language voice in global Western press, especially in the U.S., for them.
So my Twitter, my Getter, my Instagram obviously have blown up on this.
I feel like I better learn Portuguese, otherwise I won't be able to use my own newsfeed.
So it's very, very social media engaged up until a few days ago.
You did have a sort of alternative media and right wingers, but they've literally been shut down by Fiat.
The right wingers, the journalists and conservatives who are in this country are all now going to be pushed to be extradited back and be put in prison.
Paolo Figurito, Rodrigo Constantino.
Ricardo Martins, who's a pastor, they want to put him in jail.
I'm getting messages, they're so heartbreaking, the despondency from the people.
I have people who have been sources for me now for months, and especially in the last couple months, saying I'm shutting down all my social media to remove the tracks so that they don't break down my door at 5 a.m.
tomorrow and put a paper bag or a cloth bag over my head and rendition me.
And you know, my father was an anti-Communist dissident in Poland, imprisoned by the Soviets in Lithuania, dealing with the Poles, censored and harassed non-stop for being a dissident.
So I know, you know, what this looks like.
And it basically looks like a Kafka story where, you know, you get a bag over your head at 5 a.m.
and then your wife goes to the police station and says, my husband was taken by the government.
They go, oh no, you just misplaced him.
We don't know what you're talking about.
dave rubin
Man, there is a lot here.
I appreciate you packing in a lot in a short amount of time.
We'll link to your social media accounts below so people can follow you more specifically on the day-to-day stuff, what's going on here.
But keep it up, man, and maybe we'll bump into him someday at Publix.
You know what I mean?
unidentified
I don't know.
matthew tyrmand
I think he's probably not going to have that freewheeling lifestyle going forward.
dave rubin
Thank you, Matthew!
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