Larry Elder guest-hosts the Dave Rubin Show following Rubin's 31-day absence, revealing Rubin became a father to Justin on August 6th. They dissect an FBI raid at Mar-a-Lago seizing 15 boxes under Judge Reinhardt's warrant, contrasting it with past Clinton-era leniency. The duo critiques CNN's Brian Stelter firing, the Inflation Reduction Act's student debt provisions, and Sesame Place's alleged racial bias. Discussing Twitter's bot manipulation under Elon Musk and Zuckerberg's suppressed Hunter Biden laptop story, they analyze Ukraine aid corruption and Gavin Newsom's gas bans. Elder predicts Kamala Harris will secure the Democratic nomination while debating Tulsi Gabbard's potential to shift voters from identity politics. Ultimately, the episode highlights perceived media hypocrisy and political double standards across legal, social, and foreign policy arenas. [Automatically generated summary]
I'm more likely known as the black face of white supremacy by an LA Times columnist whose initials are Erica D. Smith.
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Dave has been gone for an entire month, and my job Great deal of pressure is to go over every major event that's happened in the last month and get his reaction to it.
But Dave, first, tell us what you've been doing for the last month.
So you're hosting the first show right here in the local studio.
I have been gone for a month.
Oh, but real quick, your intro was very nice there because I like that you had to say that you were not me in case people thought, you know, I go away for a month.
And the first year that I did it, it was a joke, really.
It was just like, ah, let me just put my phone away for a month, see what happens.
And then it was pretty great.
And I get to sort of reset my brain and think about things a little bit differently.
And we're in this political thing.
It's burning hot all the time.
And I wanted to just see if I could cool it off a little bit.
And then it's really been great over these years.
Now, David, I'm gonna ask you a question.
This year, obviously, was a little different than my other years where I've gone to the rainforest of Mexico or to Bora Bora and disappeared and stared off into the edge of the world.
So I thought we were going to go off the grid and we'd have a couple weeks and enjoy ourselves and you know, we'll eat good food and we'll go to the beach and everything will be great.
But five days into off the grid thing, we got the call and Justin is here.
I'm a dad.
It's been, it's been something, you know, it's, I've been peed on more this month than at any other time in my life.
But all my friends, every time they have a baby, you see them like three days later, and the men aren't the ones that carry the child, I don't know if you know that, but somehow the men- Well, I'm not a biologist, but I have heard that.
Because nobody's sleeping or eating so it was my responsibility this month.
David and my mom and his mom, they were handling a lot of like the nitty gritty and I changed a couple diapers and yes, I truly was peed on.
He pooped on me several times.
It's a lot, right?
I felt if I could keep our life in order, like make sure we were like sitting down to eat and make sure the house was clean and all of that stuff and going to Home Depot and blah blah blah.
So, I know nothing, so... I have, as you know, your staff assembled this long list of things... Lordy, lordy!
...in chronological order the last month.
But something happened that is so big, I think we ought to start with that.
Okay.
But before I start, I want to say this.
There's a lot of pressure on the person sitting in for you to ask you stuff because How the news is delivered will shape how you perceive it, which is why we're so angry about the left-wing media—CNN, MSNB, HeHaw, ABC, NBC, CBS.
They hate Trump.
They don't like Republicans.
They're happy with high taxes.
They're happy with soft borders.
And through that filter comes our news.
I'm a Trump guy.
I believe that there's two tiered systems of justice.
I believe Trump was probably the worst treated president in my lifetime.
And it is through that filter that I see everything.
So I feel a responsibility to give you the news in a fair and in balance way so you can react to it properly as opposed to reacting to my own biases.
district judge, his name is Bruce Reinhardt, executed a warrant.
And at 9.30 or so in the morning, around I think it was the 8th or so of this month, of August, about 9 or 10 FBI agents swarmed in on Mar-a-Lago and went through the Trump residence and removed about 15 boxes of information.
At first we didn't know what they removed.
Trump wanted the list of stuff revealed.
He wanted the warrant unsealed and revealed.
And then he wanted the underlying affidavit unsealed and published, all of which ultimately happened.
These are all unprecedented for the warrant to be revealed, let alone the underlying affidavit, and that's to protect the investigation.
It's hard to say when it broke, but it broke fairly quickly.
Keep in mind, Trump has cameras everywhere.
And he lives there, right?
Trump was not there.
Trump was not there, Melania was not there, he was elsewhere, but he was watching the raid apparently on video, and that video has not been released yet.
But he was watching it.
His son Eric found out about it, contacted his dad, and told his dad it was going on.
When this happened, exactly I can't tell you, but the news broke within hours or so of this raid.
They went in, they were armed, and around eight or nine agents came there.
And this was never happened before.
And based on the revealing of the warrant, revealing of the underlying affidavit, revealing of commentary that I, of people I respect, he is accused, Trump, of having probable cause to violate the Espionage Act by removing Information pertaining to national secrets, national security, from the White House when he left the White House.
He's accused of violating an act that prohibits you from destroying sensitive government documents.
And he's accused, at least there's probable cause, that he committed obstruction of justice.
Apparently, 15 months ago or so, There was some back and forth about documents that he removed, and some of them were returned, and it appeared that they were voluntarily, they meaning the FBI, the National Archives, working with Trump lawyers about what he took.
And normally when a president leaves, the president often takes documents that are perceived to be documents he shouldn't have removed, and you work it out.
Right.
This was not worked out.
And a lot of people feel that There's a double standard here.
It should have been worked out.
Garland gave a statement, unusual after this happened, because half the country was on fire, not on fire physically, which is angry, and said that we always try to get these things resolved in the least invasive fashion.
And he suggested that Donald Trump was being difficult, refusing to turn over documents he should have turned over, so we had no choice but to do this.
Trump has now demanded that they appoint a marshal, an independent marshal, to go over all of the documents underlying the warrant and to make sure that what was done by the FBI is on the up and up.
That's also unusual.
So Trump has filed a motion to have an independent third party take a look at everything the FBI did on that day to determine whether or not they should have done it.
And I'll tell you somebody that I look at a lot when these kinds of things happen, because I think he's fair, and that's Andrew McCarthy on Fox.
He's not a Trump guy, but he doesn't hate Trump.
And he's a former U.S.
attorney, and he wrote a very long piece that came out a couple of days ago in the National Review and said Trump probably took documents he shouldn't have taken.
Trump probably was uncooperative.
Trump probably made public statements about whether he was cooperative, when in fact he probably wasn't.
And there may be an indictment forthcoming, accusing him of violating the Espionage Act, violating the act that I said earlier that forbids you from destroying government documents, and accusing him of obstruction of justice.
He now believes that there may be an indictment coming.
Alan Dershowitz, angry about the whole thing, feels that there won't be an indictment, feels that this is double standard.
Elder feels it's double standard for a couple of reasons.
Hillary, as you know, clearly violated the Espionage Act.
On which she sent and received information that was classified, denied that she did, turns out she did, and then later on she said that she never sent or received information that was stamped as classified.
She lied and said, and turns out she did.
And as you know, James Comey did this big presentation and talked about how careless she was, how reckless she was, but at the last minute he said, but she lacked the intent.
Eric Holder was under a subpoena to turn over documents pertaining to Fast and Furious.
That was a gun-walking thing that, for some reason, the government did, presumably to trace where these guns were going and to bust the cartels for buying these guns.
Well, the guns got loose, and at least one of them was used to kill a border patrol agent.
And so Eric Holder was subpoenaed by Congress to turn over the documents.
He didn't do them, didn't do it.
He was found in criminal contempt of Congress, the first and only AG to have done so.
Republicans took him to court, and over a course of five years, Holder was able to negotiate back and forth, ultimately turned over the documents, we think.
He was Bill Clinton's National Security Advisor, and Congress was conducting hearings on whether or not Bill Clinton, this is after 9-11, might have known something or should have done something to have stopped it.
So Berger goes to the National Archives.
Steals documents, stuffs them in his pants, gets busted, and got a slap on the wrist.
And so, these are just three examples where, in my opinion, if we were being consistent, they should have been punished far more harshly.
Hillary wasn't punished at all.
And as you pointed out, destroyed a bunch of documents that were under subpoena, used bleach bit.
and got rid of all of them and nothing happened to her.
So even if Donald Trump, my long way of saying, even if Trump took documents he shouldn't have taken,
even if he's uncooperative, how is it you came down on him with a hammer
And right now, the issue is whether there'll be some independent magistrate or marshal, or I forget the term, to look at all of this to determine whether or not it was fair.
If you talk, if you cut on CNN and cut on MSNBC, all their lawyers say Donald Trump
should not have taken these documents.
It's outrageous for him to take the documents.
This is a guy who does not play by the rules and he got what he deserves.
There was a list of all the stuff that was taken out, although the affidavit underlying the warrant was heavily redacted.
I mean, you look at the sheet, there's a bunch of black stuff all over there, so you're not sure exactly what it is they were looking for or what it is they have.
Does this feel like all the others to you, like the impeachments, like it's just like a show, or the January 6th thing, like the show must go on, but obviously nothing comes of it?
So right before I went off the grid, as I say every year, but I really meant it more so this year, just because of the general state of chaos.
And we haven't even talked, we haven't mentioned Brandon yet, but like, I wasn't even sure if he was going to be president when I got back.
I assume he is, if that's the biggest story.
Um, but I, I said right before I left, I was like, there is nothing that would surprise me that there would literally be, it would be almost impossible for you to sit me down here and say something that would be so off the rails, you know, short of the alien invasion or the zombie apocalypse, which wouldn't have been, That crazy to me either.
But this, this feels a little bit more like, just like the standard, this is what these guys do.
So I think my gut reaction is just sort of non-hysterical because this is what they do.
We went through 18 impeachments.
We went through the January 6 farce.
Like, I'm not saying, I have no idea, obviously I'm just hearing this now, but it's like, maybe he took some stuff he shouldn't have.
And yeah, is he a little sloppy in the cross the T's and dot the I's stuff?
Sure, but like, does he have secret documents at the country club in West Palm?
If they thought that he was going to announce a run over the summer and that's why they did it, because I kind of felt, I didn't want to say it right before I went off, but I kind of felt he was going to announce in the summer so that he would be first in, keep the media always about him, and then also take credit when hopefully, unless you're going to tell me something else crazy here, we get a massive red wave in November, that he would basically be like, see, I announced, Republicans crushed, I'm orange, We're red, let's roll.
Speaking of which, and there's a lot of stuff I want to get to, but speaking of which, after this raid, and Trump, by the way, calls it a raid, and the FBI does not call it a raid, they call it a search.
It's like insurrection, riot.
The polls show that the percentage of Republicans who want Trump to run in 2024 went up.
And the polls show that the percentage of people after these 9-11 televised hearings who believe Trump is responsible for the riot went down.
So if the goal was to weaken Donald Trump as a candidate in 2024 regarding the televised hearings or to weaken him as a candidate regarding this raid on Mar-a-Lago, it backfired.
You know, it's so obvious when you step away from the news a little bit and then I hear a story like this, like, it's just so obvious to me how badly CNN and MSNBC and Washington Post and New York Times, they need him.
They need him way more than he needs them at this point.
Like, I'm sure their ratings are pretty good right now, right?
Like, people are paying attention.
You know, pretty good relative to what they are, right?
So it's like, they're not Fox ratings, but like, people are paying, they need hysteria.
Wait, Stelter, first off, what's interesting to me about that is like, he sort of became the worst of the worst.
You know, he's supposed to critique the media, and you know, you're probably, are you friends with Howard Kurtz at all, or you must have done a show over the years?
But since this guy, since the new CEO has been in office, but we've been running the place, by the way, about six weeks now, their numbers have gotten worse.
Ann Cheney gave a concession speech in which she said she's going to spend the rest of her energy making sure that Donald Trump never approaches the White House again.
Well that's good, that's good because she's nothing.
You know it's like what I always call these people, they're pet republicans.
The sort of Mitt Romney's or Liz Cheney's.
These people who go on MSNBC, they say exactly what you want, they never conserve anything, they never accomplish anything.
But they get pet on the head, you know, they give him a cookie after the appearance, and then they get to come back in a week or two, and then the Washington Post says nice things about them, as opposed to L.A.
Times calling you the black face of white supremacy.
Well, and you know, Dave, what gets me about people like Romney and Cheney, Romney, as you know, ran in 2012.
Harry Reid goes on the floor of the Senate, and flat out lies, and says, the word on the street is, the man has not paid taxes in 10 years, because at the time, Romney didn't want to turn over his tax returns.
And then a few years later, Harry Reid's interviewed, and he admits he knowingly lied, And when Dana Bash of CNN asked him about that, how do you feel about that?
He goes, well, he didn't win, did he?
And at the time, the polls showed that Romney was probably going to beat Obama, who wanted to be reelected.
And so what Harry Reid did was basically torpedo Romney's chances of becoming president.
Fast forward, he now hates Donald Trump's guts.
And Cheney, her dad, Dick Cheney, as you know, was vice president under W. And just a few years ago, he was called a war criminal by the very people that are now embracing Liz Cheney.
If you can sell your soul to that degree, the same people, you will sell your soul to the same people who are trying to destroy your father and your family name and everything else.
I guess the constituents are a little wiser than Liz.
Wait, can we pause for one second because I just realized, I mentioned to you right before we started, but it's worth mentioning again, that a year ago right now, September 1st, you were running for governor of California, just to talk about how a year Changes so quickly and how everything flips so quickly you were running for governor.
We were campaigning together I think on September 2nd or 3rd.
I was at an event with you, right?
Somewhere about about half hour 45 minute maybe Modesto or something And then obviously the recall did not go the way we wanted and then two or three days later I was done.
You know, remember what happened right before I left the grid just a few days before was when he accidentally said he had cancer and everyone was like, no, no, no, that's just because he has dementia.
Like that's the level that we're dealing with with Brandon.
I didn't hear his name once.
Actually, the only time I heard his name the entire month is we've been doing some construction at the house and my, my contractor's annoyed.
He calls him Brandon because the supply chain is so screwed up that, you know, you can't get a screw because of Brandon basically.
You can get screwed because of Brandon.
So wait, so he has COVID for now, the 18th time.
And what about the fumbles and the mumbles and everything?
I think there were two major things he's done that you should be aware of.
The first is the sort of skinny version of Build Back Better has now been passed.
Mansion and Cinema both conceded.
And a bunch of money, hundreds of billions of dollars of money is being spent, 85% of it which is for climate change, but it's called the Inflation Reduction Act.
And even Bernie Sanders said that this bill is not going to reduce inflation.
Even Bernie Sanders said it.
So, a bunch of money, hundreds of billions of dollars more.
The second thing he did is that he is, through executive order apparently, there's still some details left, but going to forgive up to $10,000 in student debt for people making under $125,000, or for a household making $250,000, it could be as high as $20,000.
$25,000 or for a household making $250,000, it could be as high as $20,000.
But if you're a household, you can forgive up to $20,000.
These are people that had Pell Grants.
And so the idea is these are people who are on the lower end of the economic spectrum.
But the people that went to college, and the reason you go to college is to make more money, are either at or will likely be at above the national average in salary.
Larry, I'm not a constitutional scholar and I've been a little off the beaten path lately, but I'm pretty sure the founders didn't think that the president would be able to sign something, which he doesn't even sign, it's like an auto-penner sign, so that someone's debt, who voluntarily got into debt to do something, whether it turned out to be good or not, And often, at 125 grand, that means you could get out of college, be making 100 grand a year, which is pretty decent.
You went to Duke, where you spent all this money to get in.
You're subsidizing, actually, upper-middle class people, in many cases, right?
You're not just subsidizing the kid from the inner city who goes to community college.
Somebody's got to carry You remember when Obama used to say he didn't have the legal authority to legalize a bunch of illegal aliens and didn't DACA anyway?
And I'm gonna guess actually that, correct me if I'm wrong, I got one here for ya, I'm gonna guess that the loony progressive side is saying he didn't do enough, right?
It's interesting, because here in Florida, I thought maybe that I would be able to gauge what's going on in the country just by the amount of people that are out and about, or just, you know, when you go into stores, but everything's so flourishing here that everywhere I go, things are packed.
There's so many cars on the roads, the stores are all packed, the restaurants are all packed, but I know Florida's not the sort of perfect bellwether for the rest of the country.
God, it's so gross, I mean that, when you make politics about everything, that it's just so gross that they do, it's not a newspaper.
That's what people need to understand, these things are not, New York Times by no estimation of what we old school folks would think of as a newspaper, all the news that's fit to print, it's not that.
CNN is not a news organization, even if this guy fired Stelter, like that type of thing, that's just so gross, that doesn't surprise me.
Were you on the, when they did the Sunday cover about the people on YouTube that are leading people to the alt-right and it was me and Jordan Peterson and Milton Friedman and Shapiro?
It was about, then came around the time of my election, and I'm sitting in a chair, kind of like this, like the Godfather, and there are four or five other Republicans standing around me, including Winston Sears, Candace Owens, Oh, the whole crew!
You know it's interesting because basically you're getting back to that double standard thing again and in some ways you know for this whole month it was a lot of baby stuff for me but when I would sort of think about how I want to do the show going forward and how I want to have a new take on things and it had something to do with this because this the double standard thing it is never going to stop and People need to understand that we can expose it.
There's Shapiro and Rogan and all these people exposing the nonsense, right?
But the nonsense is never going to stop.
The machine sort of needs the nonsense.
It needs the lie.
It launders lies through the system and then you get a certain amount of people like a Liz Cheney or say a Jennifer Rubin who is not my sister or a Bill Kristol.
These people who used to kind of make sense, but then they realize the system never loses, the house never loses, so then they want to get in on it.
So it's a much, I guess it's a little more scary to be on our side of it, to know that for whatever reason this force just exists.
And it's going and going and going, and you're always fighting it.
But I've been really trying to think in the last month, like, how do I want to go ahead and do the show?
And it's like, you have to call attention to it, and you have to be, hey, you know, they would do it this way if it was our guy, and this is how they do it for their guy.
But also not get completely obsessed by that, because you can't win.
And in January of 2005, after George W. Bush won re-election, they challenged the certification of the electors in Ohio.
And he joined 30 Democrats to argue that the election in Ohio was fraudulent, should be set aside, arguing, among other things, that the Diebold voting machines were rigged, because Diebold, I think the CEO is Republican, were rigged, even though there's no evidence of that.
So he was engaging in, wait for it, election denying.
Remember that when she was calling for defunding the police, they're literally burning down Minneapolis and then she does that press conference from a gym somewhere at a school and she's like, the police aren't doing their job.
And she won her primary and is in a tough fight for governor.
But DeSantis is being criticized for supporting, quote, election deniers in various other races around the country.
So if you support somebody who is skeptical about the results of 2020, you, in fact, have now been infected by the same disease and you're an election denier as well.
No, there's video of Rosita going down a little street where the kids are going like this, cheering as she's going down the street, and she's high-fiving white kids, but they're little black girls that want him to high-five, and Rosita ignores them.
I mean, it's pretty blatant if you look at the video.
Sesame Place puts out a statement apologizing profusely, offering the family whose feelings were hurt that lifetime passes.
Wow.
But Jesse Jackson sends a letter demanding that they all undergo sensitivity training, that there be at least one black member of the board of directors, and they do more business with black vendors.
Jackson says nothing, however, about the fact that in Baltimore, the city where these kids were from, 13 public high schools, 0% of the kids are math proficient.
Another half dozen where only 1% is.
Jackson did not write a letter about Philadelphia on track for more homicides in their history, and almost all these homicides are black people.
So that didn't cause Jackson to write a letter, but he wrote a letter on behalf of the families that allegedly were dissed by Rosita.
Although, I will tell you that it spawned four months, as you know, of riots in the streets.
Peaceful riots.
Love and tolerance riots.
25 people were killed or more, about 2,000 officers were injured, and it is estimated that about $2 billion of damage was done.
Zero evidence that whatever you think about Derek Chauvin, and I believe that the verdict was just, that he did it because of Eric, of George Floyd's race.
The black prosecutor leaned over backwards to make sure in his opening statement that he said police officers in general were not on trial.
Minneapolis police officers went out on trial.
This individual was on trial, and he never argued that Chauvin was motivated by George Floyd's race.
Yet there were four months worth of protests in the streets, all presumably because they believed that George Floyd was a victim of police brutality because of his race.
Three or four days ago, there were three Arkansas cops, I forget the name of the town, Beating the crap out of a white suspect.
The cops were all white.
And the suspect allegedly, we don't know because they didn't show the video ahead of time, but the suspect allegedly attacked an officer, body slammed an officer, and there were three officers on top of this guy just beating him, beating, kicking him, beating him, beating him, kicking him.
And it's just like, it's something we just have to like, you just basically have to swallow it, understand it, know that it is.
And that, right, like where, wouldn't Black Lives Matter care about police brutality regardless of skin color?
If your main issue For two years we were told the whole country, or for more than two years, but their driving force of that movement when they weren't burning down the local mom-and-pop nail salon and shoe repair place was that this is a systemically racist country and police are evil.
So if police were beating the crap out of a white guy, wouldn't you still care about that if you really cared about it?
Larry, I'm starting to think these people are full of shit!
Man, I mean, well I'm sorry to hear that but the fentanyl thing, I don't know if there are any major stories, well I guess this is a major story about that but that is like the big problem in America on the horizon if people aren't aware of it.
So I did have a feeling, that was the one thing that I thought maybe happened because when I was flipping through like Apple movies at night and on Spotify there was a ton of Olivia Newton-John stuff and I was like they only show you that kind of stuff if someone died.
I thought either she died or it was the 50th anniversary of Greece or something like that.
When I signed my first deal, my agent took me there and then I went one other time.
Anyway, so the second time I'm there, this is before Alec Baldwin shot that person or some of this stuff, but this is maybe like six years ago or so.
I'm at Craig's and the way the whole restaurant is, because it's to be seen there, all the booths are sort of in a U so that everyone can see everybody because that's the whole idea.
You want to see people and the paparazzi are outside.
Alec Baldwin came in and he's with his wife, I don't know her name, but maybe they're still married, blonde woman.
He was screaming at her and getting in her face in a violent manner like I have never seen before.
Ever publicly.
Like it was so designed to be seen and make sure everyone knows they see.
The reason I mention it is that for whatever reason, the FBI did some sort of report, investigation on whether or not he pulled the trigger.
He, Baldwin, on a couple of occasions, once to, I call him George Clintonopolis, Stepanopolis, told Stepanopolis, I would never pull a trigger on a gun.
And so the FBI did some sort of analysis and said, actually you did, and you pulled the trigger and the gun and the bullet went out and you're the one responsible for having killed this set designer or cinematographer or something.
Right, so I guess the policy is you have to check yourself, but I would imagine that actors, think about all the movies with all the guns, you think you think Sly Stallone is like flipping through the chamber every single time he's shooting something like, you know, so there's a lot of blame to go around.
Well, I'm guessing nothing happened with Elon Musk, unfortunately.
That would be my gut feeling, is that that thing just fizzled out.
I think maybe it was intentional.
I was saying this months ago, as much as I wanted him to get it, I thought maybe he was intentionally trying to expose the nonsense, knowing that there's so much fakeness there.
In fact, when you and I first met, you had about 50,000 more than I did, and I thought, if I can stay even with Dave, and then of course you just took off, so you left me in the dust, but I had a little under a million.
And as soon as I ended the campaign, over the next several weeks, I lost almost $10,000.
And then when it looked like he was backing away because he claimed that he was sold a bill of goods, that there were way more bots than he understood, all of a sudden I began losing again.
Um, so right now where it stands is he's taken them to court, or Twitter's taken him to court to force him to go through with his $44 billion offer.
Twitter, there's something about what's going on on Twitter that is way more obviously evil than the other stuff.
The other ones you know it's evil, like you post something on Instagram and it's all full of bots and they're trying to get you to click this link to buy Bitcoin or like nonsense.
Twitter, it went from, there was this feeling like you could really share a message and thing you could see, you could watch things go viral, you could see it.
Now I just don't see, like I haven't been on Twitter in a month, but I like basically never see your tweets anymore.
Now does that mean that they're shadow banning you?
But does that mean they're shadow banning you to everybody, or do they actually pick who they want to see who because they know what nodes are able to then get other people's messages to spread?
It's like, this is what I kept thinking all month with Twitter, because I really, I'm feeling this thing, you know, Jordan Peterson got booted from Twitter because he said that Ellen Page was a woman, or Elliot Page is, I don't know, whatever the hell he said, doesn't matter.
And as far as I know, unless he came back this month, which I think I can say with confidence he hasn't, there was a feeling, because I got booted when I then defended him.
I basically just screenshot what he said.
And I decided to come back because I wanted to be in where the fight is.
But really, it's like playing Monopoly.
We're all basically playing Monopoly, knowing that the guy in charge of the bank is stealing money.
And we all keep losing, and every night we say, let's play Monopoly again.
I'm like you, I'm mostly a libertarian as you know.
This is where if the government can't ensure that there is some basic ability for companies to compete, then I don't even know what the purpose of the government is.
Now that Google has become more important than the government, if they say your store You will not be allowed to be in the marketplace.
And he of course asked Mark Zuckerberg about the Hunter Biden laptop story, which Facebook and Twitter both suppressed.
Twitter didn't even retweet the story on the New York Post, shut down the New York Post's ability to do it, and Facebook also altered the algorithm so that far fewer people saw it than otherwise would have.
And Zuckerberg says, and I'm paraphrasing, this is very important how he phrased it.
He said, some people from the FBI came to us.
Or came to some members of my team and said that there's going to be some stories that are going to be dropping pretty soon.
And it is likely going to be Russian disinformation.
And we want to give you a heads up.
They did not specifically say there's going to be a story about Hunter Biden's laptop.
But within days of the FBI coming to Zuckerberg's people, Zuckerberg said that the laptop story dropped.
We assumed, again I'm paraphrasing, we connected the warning to the story and that's why we suppressed it.
Logan followed up by asking, did they specifically talk about the Hunter Biden story?
He didn't say it quite that way.
He didn't say it quite that well, frankly, he should have.
I was critical of the interview, and I'll tell you why in a second.
Zuckerberg said, no, but they told us there's going to be Russian disinformation, as there
was in 2016, says the FBI, and we should be wary of that.
And so when the Hunter Biden story broke, I thought that's what the FBI was talking about, referring to, so that's why we suppressed the story.
And he admitted, Zuckerberg admitted, that they altered the algorithm so that it didn't get the same kind of coverage it otherwise would have, and used the word meaningful, meaning the percentage of people who did not see it was meaningful.
So at that level, so in essence, what you have is the government outsourcing the tyranny.
The government is basically saying it's a threat.
If they're calling Facebook, there is some level of a threat involved.
There's some stuff coming down the pike that if you promote, You might have some other problems, we might want to audit you, all sorts of stuff.
So that's where they are outsourcing the tyranny.
They're not stepping on the First Amendment directly.
Well, this is sort of like, I remember when Psaki said over, what was it, was it last summer when Psaki said that the government flags certain posts for us.
You know, we flag certain posts for Facebook, I should say.
It's like, this has been happening for a long time.
So, when did this happen, this Zuckerberg interview?
Because there was a study that was done by Media Research Group and found that 16% of Joe Biden voters say, had they known about the Hunter Biden laptop story, they would not have voted for Biden.
So it clearly altered the election.
But something altered the election even bigger, and one of the reasons I was critical of Joe Rogan's interview is he didn't bring this up.
You know about the $419.5 million that Zuckerberg spent of his own money to bring out Democratic turnout.
Molly Hemingway wrote a book about it called Rigged.
We talked about how Zuckerberg strategically went to election officials in places where there were a lot of Democratic votes, Cleveland, Detroit, Atlanta, Philadelphia, to gin up Democrat turnout.
Now the idea was that he was being a good government guy and some money was spent for Republican turnout as well, but like maybe 10% and 90% for Democrats.
So clearly he did it to tip the scale in favor of Democrats.
The only thing that I can say slightly in Rogan's defense on this, which just as an interviewer, and you know this too, sometimes over the course of an interview you're doing something, and especially if it's live and you don't edit, that you want to get back to something and it just doesn't present itself.
That's not really like a full-throated excuse or something, because he should have hit on that.
But putting that aside, you know what's interesting about this is, remember, Jack Dorsey from Twitter Once the New York Times said that the Hunter Biden laptop was real, Jack Dorsey basically, who doesn't work at Twitter anymore, so when he was running it, he did all the bad shit.
Now he doesn't, pardon my French, he did all the bad stuff.
He said we shouldn't have done it.
But now that he doesn't run it anymore, he says we shouldn't have done it.
Years after the election result that Zuckerberg wanted, now he can kind of sort of admit there was government pressure to do something.
And it's like, how many times will we continue to play Monopoly with a bunch of people who own all the hotels on Park Avenue who we know are rigging the game?
That's the question.
Maybe that's my number one sort of public facing question.
Years ago he reached out to me to have me on the show.
We went back and forth, it never happened, but since then I've heard nothing.
I'm digressing.
When I just did a two hour interview with C-SPAN.
And somebody called up, a black guy, and he said, I watch your career.
Why is it you never go on this show or this show or this show?
Like I can just show up, knock on the window and say, hey, interview me.
And I mentioned Charlamagne Than God.
I was on a plane once and a guy named Bill Bellamy, fellow comedian, meaning you, fellow comedian, was sitting next to me and we started talking and after a while he realized that I wasn't an ogre.
And he said, you know, I have a very good friend, Charlemagne the God.
Have you ever done his show?
I said, no, I'd love to do his show.
He said, let me set that up.
We exchanged information and I've talked to him twice since then, Bill, and nothing's happened.
I think you're probably right, but I'm going to try it and I'll do it respectfully.
Even for my frustrations with him now, I admire the guy.
I think he fought for what he believed was a good, sane liberalism in the face of this woke stuff.
It didn't work.
But now you got to get to the end, where the end is, hey, Larry Elder's not my enemy, and believe it or not, Ted Cruz and Rand Paul aren't my enemies either.
Did you see there was an episode a couple months back, we covered it on my show, where he's going on and on about how great things are in Florida.
And he's going, you know, DeSantis kept the state open and he's fighting the woke stuff and the race stuff and the police are funded, blah, blah, blah.
But then he has to couch it in, but I'm not moving to Florida!
And it's like, well, what do you mean?
So what is it that you're against?
Is it just because you really, really love abortion?
Which, by the way, we have a 15-week ban here.
That's three and a half months.
That's a moderate position.
Florida, which is now thought of as a far-right red state, has a very, very moderate... I would argue 15 weeks is far more moderate than 8-month abortions that California has, or 9-month abortions, or post-birth abortions and murder.
So it's like, that's what I want to get him to.
It's like, wait a minute, if you're for all of the stuff that a guy like Ron DeSantis is trying to get done, is this really because you're still for the welfare state and high taxes?
And she danced around and danced around and danced around it, and they caught Biden going from the White House to the helicopter or something, and yelled at him and said, what did you mean by referring to Trump supporters as semi-fascist?
And he said, you know what I mean.
That was it.
Smiled and said, you know what I mean.
This is a guy who, as you know, the reason he was nominated is because, at the very least, they thought he would bring down the temperature.
He promised to do that in campaign speeches.
There's no reason why we can't all get along.
There's no blue America.
There's no red America.
There's just us.
And refer to Trump supporters as believers in semi-fascism.
There is literally nothing the guy could say either meaningfully, intentionally or unintentionally or flubbered or whatever that would shock me at this point.
I mean they will say anything.
They need it.
They need to believe that A huge percentage of this country, in essence half of the country, are fascists or evil or Nazis or whatever.
And it's like, man, maybe there's no one that I could possibly commiserate.
Maybe this is why we do all this so well together.
As I always describe you as a political commentator who happens to be black, your life is a direct example of it's all a lie.
When I go to events with you as I did a year ago, basically this week, and there's thousands of people in a parking lot on a 110 degree day cheering for you.
Now, a good percentage of them were white, but does that mean that they were white supremacists who were cheering on the black guy because they're so evolved that they figured out how?
It's all so incredibly stupid, but they have nothing else.
What does Biden have to say?
What could he say to the country that would make any sense and be honest and truthful?
Philadelphia, I believe it is, has reimposed the mask mandate.
What's interesting about that is in California a few weeks ago, a few months ago, one of the counties, Alameda, reimposed the mask mandate.
The adjacent counties that are demographically identical did not, which gave us an ideal time to look at this and find out whether or not it's going to make any difference.
It made no difference whatsoever.
None.
But Philadelphia is reimposing a mask mandate.
Meanwhile, a third of the Philadelphia kids, K-12, cannot read at proficiency levels, and 20% cannot do math at proficiency levels.
California, the governor and the state have banned gasoline-powered cars effective 2035.
And within days of announcing the ban, They urged people with electric cars not to charge them up during primetime hours because of the stress on the electric grill, on the energy grid.
So, banning, an edict to ban cars, gas cars by 2035, within days, another edict to not charge your cars up during certain hours because of the stress on the grid.
The fact that that man, Gavin Newsom, has any control over anyone's life, who has systematically destroyed San Francisco as mayor, destroyed California.
And on my show, on my Epoch Times show, notice I got that in, Epoch Times show, E-P-O-C-H Times show, I've interviewed an engineer named Dan, named Ron Stein many times.
And he's talked about how these cars are built through fossil-fueled power.
The ingredients in them, lithium most notably, has to be mined in places like China and Chile, which destroys the planet.
And he says the impact of electric cars is worse on the environment than the impact of gasoline-powered cars.
Tucker Carlson did maybe a 10-minute thing on this just the other day, where he outlined all of the stuff that it takes to make an electric car, and what it does to the environment, and how little effect it'll have on the climate.
And it's the first time I've ever heard anybody do it really in prime time.
And apparently, well, she did plead guilty and her lawyer wrote a letter of apology.
So she did apparently break the law.
What Biden has done, however, after initially refusing to do it, is offer her In exchange for a guy we have in custody, a Russian guy, who tried to kill Americans, who was an arms dealer.
And a lot of the foreign policy people that I watch on Fox say this is an outrageous trade, that you have a trade like for like, and she, A, violated the law, she wasn't a political prisoner, but B, what we're giving up is too much.
To me, you get your citizen back, but I get why that it's not as simple as that, right?
Of course, like you do that and then you encourage them to kidnap people, right?
It's why you don't negotiate with terrorists.
It's because if you have this huge asset that it sounds like we have and she's not of national security interest, but she is a citizen of the United States, that matters.
To do an asymmetrical trade sort of doesn't make sense, but you do want to get your citizens back.
You would think that everyone would be fighting to free her, that the left would be going bananas, that Biden would be bending over backwards to do it because this is the person he should care about the most.
But I guess that's just not the case and they're sort of all BS artists.
Larry, has there been a theme of double standards?
Has there been a theme of they can do it, and they'll always do it, and they'll always get away with it, and we do have to point it out.
It's important to point it out, and note it, and mock it, and the rest of it, as I said earlier, but it won't stop it.
So if you have that side doing that, that chaos, and that endless lie, this nonsensical endless lie that's always existing here, to me, you can be part of it at some level, but you gotta extricate yourself, and you gotta go do other things.
Again, that really is, it's where I've been at for a long time, By the way, it wasn't a minor fender bender.
Speaking of Fauci, Joe Rogan, also getting back to him for a second, he had a guest on, I'll think of him in a minute, and they were talking about COVID shutting everything down and how the organization CDC mandated this, that, and the other.
And now we're finding out that the lockdown, bad idea.
Finding out that regular immunity, natural immunity is stronger.
Finding out that the vaccines for young people were probably pointless because young people don't get it.
And Rogan said, when asked, oh he's talking to Aaron Rodgers, the quarterback of the Packers.
There's an interview, it's from about, I don't know, maybe eight years ago, where she's on Letterman and he's asking her, you know, could you beat a guy?
Could you beat, you know, Federer or one of these guys?
And she's like, men's and women's tennis aren't even the same sport.
Nancy Pelosi announced her desire to go to Taiwan.
There is a fear right now that China is going to invade Taiwan.
China has always had a one-China policy and believes Taiwan is part of China.
But Nancy Pelosi announced her intention to go to Taiwan.
And some members of the White House apparently did not want her to go, but she went anyway.
And there was some controversy before she went, and the feeling was, once you say you're going to go, just because China, and China puts out some statement, they were very angry about it, once you say you're going to go, you can't let China dictate who goes and who doesn't go because we've had
Government officials going to China going to Taiwan for years, right? So Pelosi went and
Came back and now a couple of Republicans are going but there's a real fear right now that China is about ready
I think this is mostly where my libertarian side says we can't do much.
We can turn some screws on some economic stuff.
I'm not a big tariff guy.
We can't get into a military confrontation halfway across the world.
Even though I absolutely believe that Taiwan is entitled to being a sovereign nation.
I don't know, what do you think?
With this buffoon as president and Nancy Pelosi and the rest of these clowns, it's like, we don't have the moral authority, nor the sort of technical capability to lead.
I know the main libertarian policy is that if you get ten libertarians around a table, you're going to argue about driver's licenses for about seven hours.
Well McConnell in a weird way might want them all to lose because if they all won, those are all Trump back candidates.
I happen, Blake I know, I consider him a friend.
He's a good guy.
He would join me on tour just like you did.
He would be a great senator, and he's a good human being.
I've interviewed J.D.
Oz, it's a little hard to tell what he really is.
And Hershel Walker, I don't know personally, but seems like a good guy.
But you could see why McConnell, McConnell's the ultimate swamp creature, right?
So why would he want Trump backhanded?
It's that he can't control.
So you could sort of see that.
But does it feel a little bit like, hearing you say that, it sounds a little bit like a media Make-believe story, like all the Trump people are going to lose and then everyone will be caught with their pants down in two months.
They dropped 60%, it's like, well, but they had gone up 215% before that.
But I wrote about this in my last book, I mean, this is a little bit like Plato's The Cave.
If you just exist in the cave, and that's all the information that you have,
and that's what a lot of people have, and that still is our job, is to keep breaking
the ice that exists around people, that all of the nonsense that they have been lied to
It's why that video that you and I did way back when, when you smacked me senseless, when I didn't even know, you know, we didn't know each other personally at that point.
It's why that video has now been seen probably, it might be 50 million times the amount of ways it's been cut, and people saw me breaking out of the ice, and that's what we got to keep doing.
And the speculation is, as you pointed out, that Newsom may run for office.
And I want to talk to you a little bit about that, because let me tell you what I think is going to happen.
The Democrats are stuck with Kamala Harris.
I mean, stuck with her.
The reason she was chosen, because she clicked all the boxes, she tried to run for president.
And the scuttlebutt is that her numbers are so bad, they're under Joe Biden's, that they have to dropkick her.
Are you kidding me?
Democrats are the most loyal part of, blacks are the most loyal part of the Democratic base, and black females are the most loyal part of that.
And I read a lot of black media, publications like The Griot, and when Kamala Harris was mocked for her cackle, and for her doing nothing about determining the root causes of illegal immigration, they reacted with, that was trivial, the reason they're laughing at her is because she's a black female, and Joe Biden's giving her crappy jobs, and how dare they supplant her with a man, especially a white man.
And so my feeling is that if Kamala Harris wants the job, and she does, if they dropkick her, black females will be livid, and they are important in the Alabama, Georgia, and South Carolina primaries.
Almost half of the Democrat voters in those primaries are blacks.
They won't vote Republican, but they'll sit home, which will ensure the defeat of the Democrat nominee in 2024, no matter who we put up against him or her.
And the answer is they are stuck with Kamala Harris.
They cannot get rid of her.
They will, if they try to do so, it will be perceived as both sexist and racist and black female voters will simply stay home and they can't afford it.
By the way, we're letting people watch the first one for free on UncleTom.com because The first one, as you know, when you do a documentary, any kind of movie in Hollywood, if you do three times its cost, that's considered to be a hit.
Uncle Tom generated ten times its cost.
Has a higher IMDB rating than any of the ones that was nominated for Best Documentary in 2024.
And to give you some perspective, those who aren't familiar with IMDb ratings, Casablanca has 8.5, which is one of America's most beloved movies, so it really has done well.
And right now, there are about 29, 30 reviews of Uncle Tom 2 on IMDb, and it's got a 9.9 rating.
The reviews have been off the chart, and I've had premieres in Phoenix and in Dallas, one in LA, and people are just going crazy.
It was so refreshing, and it didn't hate America, and there was no social justice, and it was about accomplishing something and, you know, melding the past with the future and the present.
And Tom Cruise, I don't know what the hell they're injecting him with, but the guy looks pretty freaking good.
And for some reason, Posobiec came to whatever this event was that Stewart was doing outside where he talked about this bill, and they started yelling at each other.
And from what I could tell, both of them supported the bill.
Both of them supported paying off, paying armed services for being exposed to toxic substances.
But Stuart and he just went at it.
And my feeling is that what Prosobiec was basically saying is legislation often is saddled with a bunch of nonsense and a stripped down bill both sides would sign up on.
And ultimately there was a stripped down bill that both sides did come to agreement on and Joe Biden signed it.
But for whatever reason they were yelling at each other.
He was interviewed and he talked about how Congress is dragging its feet and these people are dying and I didn't know that much about the bill.
All I do know about Congress, I know how it works, and oftentimes stuff is voted down because the other side puts on riders and other stuff so it's not a clean bill.
And so it got voted down because it wasn't a clean bill.
Both sides perceived the other side to be playing games.
But I knew ultimately it would pass.
Ultimately it did.
So I'm not quite sure why Jon Stewart felt the need to yell and scream at this guy because of this.
I mean, look, the bigger issue, since I don't know all the specifics on that, the bigger issue is they got to stop tacking on all of this other nonsense to all these bills.
Imagine if we just had clean bills.
Hey, this is a clean water bill.
This is what it's going to be.
It's not also about giving paraplegic lesbians the right to play volleyball on the moon.
I believe that the last thing I said to my crew before we went off the grid was, uh, when I'm gone, guys, uh, no having sex with random strangers in alleyways.
And that still stands.
It's like, if you don't want monkey pox, don't bang a monkey and don't have sex with a whole bunch of strangers.
Sure, well you know I had, well David Horowitz who of course you know, I had David Horowitz on years ago and he said something really fascinating to me that I think stands to your point on monkey pox.
He said that when he was in New York City in the 80's and he was just starting to become a conservative, so you know this is a lefty, a communist, he's now He's now starting to become a Republican, or whatever you want to call it, that the AIDS crisis is breaking out.
And they knew where the AIDS crisis was spreading.
They knew it was happening at these bathhouses, right?
These guys, I mean, this is also why you want equality.
If you have people that can only meet in underground bars and clubs and whatever, then it's going to breed a certain amount of promiscuity and whatever.
But he said that the Republicans in New York City, because they knew that it was happening at these gay bathhouses, AIDS, that's where it was spreading like crazy.
The Republicans wanted to close down the bathhouses.
He said that it was the Democrats that wouldn't let it because they said you're homophobes.
So the Democrats actually, and this is exactly what you're talking about with monkey pox, it's the same thing.
In the interest of, oh, behavior doesn't matter and everyone can live however they want and blah, blah, blah, you actually end up killing the people that you're purporting to protect.
I was just in Phoenix, and I was standing at a sign for her, and she had a picture of Trump next to her, and was called Trump-backed candidate.
My understanding from talking to people in Phoenix is that many of the signs have been sabotaged, have been vandalized, because she's referred to herself as a Trump-backed candidate.
As you know, she was a anchor, very popular for years in Phoenix and got out of the business because she felt it was just too one-sided.
Well, right before the invasion, there were a bunch of articles in the New York Times about how corrupt Ukraine is, and how they have all these oligarchs who spend all the money.
Then all of a sudden, it was a great country with this wonderful democracy, and we have to get behind them 100%.
Well, just imagine had the Democrats at the end, when they handed it to Biden and they made all the backdoor deals and gave Pete and everybody when they all left right before Super Tuesday.
Imagine if Tulsi, who stayed in because she's not part of the machine, imagine if Biden had been like, you know what, I'm going to go with this Tulsi.
Girl and she's actually an active member of the military and she loves America and she's not about identity politics and blah blah.
Think how different the country could potentially be.
Her sitting in for Tucker, I don't know that she wants to be a TV star in that regard, but I think she's an important voice and I think she is a crossover type person.
She's the type of person that I referenced earlier.
The sort of disaffected liberal that is basically ready to vote Republican but doesn't, they either don't want to say it publicly or they don't know how to quite get there.
She's the type.
It's why I'm always putting the pressure on Mar.
It's like there's a couple people that can help lead these people to the promised land.
Maybe that's sort of what you did a long time ago.
It's what I've done over a couple years, right?
And people need somebody to kind of map it for them.
So when Rogan, Who is not a traditional Republican.
He is not religious or whatever.
When he, you know, he's a pot smoking, mushroom eating, ayahuasca doing, MMA fighting, you know, blah, blah, blah.
It's like when he says, hey, I could be conservative.
It's kind of interesting because the left, of course, tells blacks that they are victims of systemic racism while telling them to trust the government when they promote this vaccine.
And so you're shocked that a lot of black people are skeptical.
And when I was running for governor I was asked about vaccine Mandates and I said I've been vaccinated because of my age because I've got underlying things high blood pressure among other things But I don't believe that young people should be vaccinated.
I think that young healthy people not likely to get sick Not likely to get really sick, not likely to go to the hospital, and not likely to die.
And as I'm doing this, I say again, there's a lot of pressure because I've got to give you the facts so you can respond properly as opposed to when we're done, you go, Elder said this.
That's not what happened.
The Mar-a-Lago thing in particular.
It's got a lot of angles to it, a lot of wrinkles to it, and I'm trying to give you exactly what happens so you can respond properly to it.
I should also note that I'm going to do a Locals exclusive livestream to talk a little bit more about the personal stuff, the parenting, and did I even say my son's name?