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Dave Rubin Returns to the Grid After 31 Days! Larry Elder Guest-Hosts | POLITICS | Rubin Report
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Hi, I'm Larry Elder.
larry elder
This is the Dave Rubin Show.
Obviously, I'm not Dave Rubin.
I'm more likely known as the black face of white supremacy by an LA Times columnist whose initials are Erica D. Smith.
Oops.
Dave has been gone for an entire month, and my job Great deal of pressure is to go over every major event that's happened in the last month and get his reaction to it.
But Dave, first, tell us what you've been doing for the last month.
dave rubin
Well, first off, Larry, it's good to see you, my friend.
You too.
larry elder
It's been a while.
dave rubin
It has been a little while.
Last I saw you was in California.
larry elder
Last time you saw me, we were both Californians.
dave rubin
Now you're stuck.
larry elder
I'll turn out the light though when I leave.
dave rubin
I am free in the free state of Florida in Miami where we're at right now.
And I should mention real quick that we are debuting the local studio here in Miami right at this very moment.
larry elder
Right.
dave rubin
So you're hosting the first show right here in the local studio.
I have been gone for a month.
Oh, but real quick, your intro was very nice there because I like that you had to say that you were not me in case people thought, you know, I go away for a month.
I can get very tan.
larry elder
That's right.
dave rubin
Next thing you know, And we often wear very similar.
larry elder
Wherever you go, people are going, aren't you Larry Elder?
dave rubin
Which one are you again?
Anyway, yes, I have been gone for a month.
One hundred percent.
I know nothing that has gone on.
larry elder
I asked David, you know nothing.
You didn't walk by a TV set.
You didn't cut on the radio.
You didn't pick up a newspaper.
You know nothing at all what's going on the last whole month.
So this is the sixth year that I've done this off the grid thing.
dave rubin
And the first year that I did it, it was a joke, really.
It was just like, ah, let me just put my phone away for a month, see what happens.
And then it was pretty great.
And I get to sort of reset my brain and think about things a little bit differently.
And we're in this political thing.
It's burning hot all the time.
And I wanted to just see if I could cool it off a little bit.
And then it's really been great over these years.
Now, David, I'm gonna ask you a question.
This year, obviously, was a little different than my other years where I've gone to the rainforest of Mexico or to Bora Bora and disappeared and stared off into the edge of the world.
larry elder
You've got some big news for us.
dave rubin
I am now a father, Larry Elder.
That's right.
Justin was born wee early hours of August 6th.
The due date was the 22nd.
So I thought we were going to go off the grid and we'd have a couple weeks and enjoy ourselves and you know, we'll eat good food and we'll go to the beach and everything will be great.
But five days into off the grid thing, we got the call and Justin is here.
I'm a dad.
It's been, it's been something, you know, it's, I've been peed on more this month than at any other time in my life.
larry elder
This time literally.
dave rubin
If you took all the other times I was peed on.
larry elder
This time literally.
dave rubin
Yeah, exactly.
Um, but it's been, it's been great.
You know, I'm, I'm a little tired.
larry elder
I've got to ask you about that.
I have friends, of course, who have kids.
I do not.
My brothers do.
And everybody, everybody, everybody tells me it's changed their life instantly in ways that they never imagined.
So the same question for you.
How has it changed your life?
What did you think would happen?
What has happened?
dave rubin
It's weird because so usually I feel very refreshed when I come back, right?
So I have a month off and I feel refreshed.
I don't feel refreshed right now.
I feel renewed, which is different, right?
Like I don't feel refreshed like I got a lot of sleep and I just like fully like, bam, let's go.
I feel more like I actually feel I feel the responsibility of what we do is heavier on me.
Like now when I look at him, it sounds corny.
It really does sound corny.
But I feel like, wow, I'm not just fighting now to save a world for myself.
Or for David, or for you, or for Nina.
It's like, now I have this kid who I want to make the world as good as possible for him.
So he has been surrounded by an awful lot of love.
We've had a lot of family.
My folks, David's parents, sisters, brothers, uncles, cousins.
My sister who lives in Miami had a baby a few days later.
It's just been baby palooza and up all night.
And you know, you've got to feed these things.
Like every two hours, you know about this?
It's a lot.
So it was easy to be off the grid this time.
The only thing that was different, because I was basically locked at home,
except every now and again someone would tell me, you gotta go get diapers, you gotta go get butt paste,
you gotta get whatever, you know, aquaphor, blah, blah, blah.
It was very easy to be off the grid, except I did have my phone this time.
So I wasn't on social media, but usually I just locked my phone away.
But this time, in case there was an emergency, or I had to go pick something up,
or I was getting a lot of phone congratulations So it was a little different this year, but I feel good and I feel ready to be back in on it.
larry elder
Well, two more things before we get back in on it.
I heard a rumor that your son may have a companion at some point in the near future.
I'm not quite sure where I heard that.
dave rubin
Yeah, we got another one coming in the middle of October, supposedly.
Due October 14th, but I have a feeling it's going to come a little bit early, so we'll do it all again.
But you gotta say, I look pretty good, considering.
You know what I mean?
larry elder
You always look good.
dave rubin
But all my friends, every time they have a baby, you see them like three days later, and the men aren't the ones that carry the child, I don't know if you know that, but somehow the men- Well, I'm not a biologist, but I have heard that.
larry elder
The second one is this.
dave rubin
But the men all look horrible, right?
Because nobody's sleeping or eating so it was my responsibility this month.
David and my mom and his mom, they were handling a lot of like the nitty gritty and I changed a couple diapers and yes, I truly was peed on.
He pooped on me several times.
It's a lot, right?
I felt if I could keep our life in order, like make sure we were like sitting down to eat and make sure the house was clean and all of that stuff and going to Home Depot and blah blah blah.
larry elder
So yes, another one's coming.
Second major question.
Yes.
What exactly is butt paste?
unidentified
I haven't heard that term before.
dave rubin
You never heard about butt paste?
larry elder
Not sure I want to know.
dave rubin
Almost everything I've been discussing in the last week is butt paste.
If a kid gets diaper rash, there are many treatment options available.
Butt paste, that's the brand name.
larry elder
Is that what it's called?
dave rubin
It's called butt paste and it's old school and it comes in this little jar and it's just...
Pace for the butt.
larry elder
That's more information than I think I want to know about.
dave rubin
So Larry, did anything happen?
Did I miss?
So I honestly, I have no idea.
The one, wait, let me just say one thing.
So the one, I don't know anything other than he was born on, uh, we went to the hospital on the 5th.
He was born early morning on the 6th.
When I got to the hospital, a lot of the nurses there and staff knew me and, and security people and other people.
And a bunch of people kept saying, you don't know about the thing.
You don't like, they were like kind of jumping at me.
So I feel like something happened at the beginning, but I truly have no idea.
larry elder
Is that how they phrase it?
You don't know the thing?
Is that how they put it?
dave rubin
Well, I made it very clear to everybody.
larry elder
Because they knew that they weren't supposed to tell you anything.
dave rubin
And everyone that I went up to when they were trying to say hi to me or take a selfie, I was like, just remember, I don't know anything.
So yeah, everybody was respectful of that.
Even when I saw people, when I'd go to Whole Foods or I went to Home Depot or whatever, people would be like, so you still don't know?
You still don't know?
Yeah, nobody blew it.
Nobody blew it.
larry elder
So, I know nothing, so... I have, as you know, your staff assembled this long list of things... Lordy, lordy!
...in chronological order the last month.
But something happened that is so big, I think we ought to start with that.
Okay.
But before I start, I want to say this.
There's a lot of pressure on the person sitting in for you to ask you stuff because How the news is delivered will shape how you perceive it, which is why we're so angry about the left-wing media—CNN, MSNB, HeHaw, ABC, NBC, CBS.
They hate Trump.
They don't like Republicans.
They're happy with high taxes.
They're happy with soft borders.
And through that filter comes our news.
I'm a Trump guy.
I believe that there's two tiered systems of justice.
I believe Trump was probably the worst treated president in my lifetime.
And it is through that filter that I see everything.
So I feel a responsibility to give you the news in a fair and in balance way so you can react to it properly as opposed to reacting to my own biases.
dave rubin
So I sense you're about to tell me something about Trump.
Is he running?
larry elder
Well, that's not what I'm going to tell you.
I'm confident he is going to run.
I'd be shocked if he didn't run.
I don't know anything anymore than anybody else knows about that.
dave rubin
I thought maybe he announced it.
larry elder
There was an FBI raid at Mar-a-Lago.
A warrant was taken out.
A warrant is supported by an affidavit.
And a judge, a U.S.
district judge, his name is Bruce Reinhardt, executed a warrant.
And at 9.30 or so in the morning, around I think it was the 8th or so of this month, of August, about 9 or 10 FBI agents swarmed in on Mar-a-Lago and went through the Trump residence and removed about 15 boxes of information.
At first we didn't know what they removed.
Trump wanted the list of stuff revealed.
He wanted the warrant unsealed and revealed.
And then he wanted the underlying affidavit unsealed and published, all of which ultimately happened.
These are all unprecedented for the warrant to be revealed, let alone the underlying affidavit, and that's to protect the investigation.
That's why they don't want it revealed.
dave rubin
Wait, can I pause you for one second, just to understand the story.
So they raid, does it immediately break that they did it, or did people find out later?
Like, did people know that day?
larry elder
It's hard to say when it broke, but it broke fairly quickly.
Keep in mind, Trump has cameras everywhere.
And he lives there, right?
Trump was not there.
Trump was not there, Melania was not there, he was elsewhere, but he was watching the raid apparently on video, and that video has not been released yet.
But he was watching it.
His son Eric found out about it, contacted his dad, and told his dad it was going on.
When this happened, exactly I can't tell you, but the news broke within hours or so of this raid.
dave rubin
So they basically just busted in, if he's not there?
larry elder
That's right.
They went in, they were armed, and around eight or nine agents came there.
And this was never happened before.
And based on the revealing of the warrant, revealing of the underlying affidavit, revealing of commentary that I, of people I respect, he is accused, Trump, of having probable cause to violate the Espionage Act by removing Information pertaining to national secrets, national security, from the White House when he left the White House.
He's accused of violating an act that prohibits you from destroying sensitive government documents.
And he's accused, at least there's probable cause, that he committed obstruction of justice.
Apparently, 15 months ago or so, There was some back and forth about documents that he removed, and some of them were returned, and it appeared that they were voluntarily, they meaning the FBI, the National Archives, working with Trump lawyers about what he took.
And normally when a president leaves, the president often takes documents that are perceived to be documents he shouldn't have removed, and you work it out.
Right.
This was not worked out.
And a lot of people feel that There's a double standard here.
It should have been worked out.
Garland gave a statement, unusual after this happened, because half the country was on fire, not on fire physically, which is angry, and said that we always try to get these things resolved in the least invasive fashion.
And he suggested that Donald Trump was being difficult, refusing to turn over documents he should have turned over, so we had no choice but to do this.
dave rubin
God, this sounds like just such an extension of all the stupidity.
Wait, so they're accusing him of taking a bunch of stuff, so they bust in there, they take the documents.
Have the documents been released?
larry elder
When you say bust in, I don't think they knocked down a door, but I think they knocked on the door at 930.
Nobody got a heads up.
Two of Trump's lawyers were there, but they were not allowed in to witness the search, but they were in the house when it happened.
dave rubin
They weren't allowed in to witness the search?
larry elder
They weren't, no.
dave rubin
So they can just basically, the FBI, is this how it's supposed to operate?
They can just basically get into your house, take all your stuff, and no one's allowed to witness what you're doing?
larry elder
When there's a warrant allowing you to search certain places, and apparently they even searched Melania's wardrobe.
dave rubin
Okay, so I would imagine a lot of people are not happy about this.
I would imagine Trump is fighting this.
I mean, what's going on?
larry elder
A lot of people are very upset.
Trump has now demanded that they appoint a marshal, an independent marshal, to go over all of the documents underlying the warrant and to make sure that what was done by the FBI is on the up and up.
That's also unusual.
So Trump has filed a motion to have an independent third party take a look at everything the FBI did on that day to determine whether or not they should have done it.
dave rubin
Man, they really don't want this guy running for president.
What else could this possibly be about?
Does he really have documents there that he wasn't supposed to take?
larry elder
Well, that's unclear.
And I'll tell you somebody that I look at a lot when these kinds of things happen, because I think he's fair, and that's Andrew McCarthy on Fox.
He's not a Trump guy, but he doesn't hate Trump.
And he's a former U.S.
attorney, and he wrote a very long piece that came out a couple of days ago in the National Review and said Trump probably took documents he shouldn't have taken.
Trump probably was uncooperative.
Trump probably made public statements about whether he was cooperative, when in fact he probably wasn't.
And there may be an indictment forthcoming, accusing him of violating the Espionage Act, violating the act that I said earlier that forbids you from destroying government documents, and accusing him of obstruction of justice.
He now believes that there may be an indictment coming.
Alan Dershowitz, angry about the whole thing, feels that there won't be an indictment, feels that this is double standard.
Elder feels it's double standard for a couple of reasons.
Hillary, as you know, clearly violated the Espionage Act.
She had an unsecured server in her basement.
dave rubin
Bleach!
Bleach!
larry elder
On which she sent and received information that was classified, denied that she did, turns out she did, and then later on she said that she never sent or received information that was stamped as classified.
She lied and said, and turns out she did.
And as you know, James Comey did this big presentation and talked about how careless she was, how reckless she was, but at the last minute he said, but she lacked the intent.
dave rubin
Right.
larry elder
Well, the relevant part of the statute, Dave, does not require intent.
And so, a whole bunch of us, and I'm a lawyer.
dave rubin
You can't just do a bunch of mad stuff and not have intent.
larry elder
And then you have Eric Holder.
Eric Holder was under a subpoena to turn over documents pertaining to Fast and Furious.
That was a gun-walking thing that, for some reason, the government did, presumably to trace where these guns were going and to bust the cartels for buying these guns.
Well, the guns got loose, and at least one of them was used to kill a border patrol agent.
And so Eric Holder was subpoenaed by Congress to turn over the documents.
He didn't do them, didn't do it.
He was found in criminal contempt of Congress, the first and only AG to have done so.
Republicans took him to court, and over a course of five years, Holder was able to negotiate back and forth, ultimately turned over the documents, we think.
Okay, so wait, wait, wait.
dave rubin
I get the double standard, right?
No doubt.
larry elder
Sandy Berger, remember that one?
He was Bill Clinton's National Security Advisor, and Congress was conducting hearings on whether or not Bill Clinton, this is after 9-11, might have known something or should have done something to have stopped it.
So Berger goes to the National Archives.
Steals documents, stuffs them in his pants, gets busted, and got a slap on the wrist.
And so, these are just three examples where, in my opinion, if we were being consistent, they should have been punished far more harshly.
Hillary wasn't punished at all.
And as you pointed out, destroyed a bunch of documents that were under subpoena, used bleach bit.
and got rid of all of them and nothing happened to her.
So even if Donald Trump, my long way of saying, even if Trump took documents he shouldn't have taken,
even if he's uncooperative, how is it you came down on him with a hammer
and those guys got a pass?
dave rubin
Right, so okay, so the double standard thing, that's just standard stuff, right?
We're used to this, you know, you're on the left, you're gonna get the pass.
You're in on the, you know, it's basically a mafia game where if you're all in on it together,
you let your people off and you always go for everybody else.
So is the country just insane right now?
I mean, basically when this happened, I assume that just lit a fire under MAGA
and is MSNBC and CNN saying, wait, are the walls closing in on the guy?
The walls are closing in?
These freaking walls, man.
larry elder
We got you now!
We got you now!
That's exactly what they're saying.
That's exactly what you're saying.
dave rubin
And is this story still burning hot right now?
Because you said, what did you say, on the 8th or so?
8th or 9th?
Something like that?
larry elder
It happened about a month ago, not quite a month ago.
dave rubin
Yeah, okay.
larry elder
And right now, the issue is whether there'll be some independent magistrate or marshal, or I forget the term, to look at all of this to determine whether or not it was fair.
If you talk, if you cut on CNN and cut on MSNBC, all their lawyers say Donald Trump
should not have taken these documents.
It's outrageous for him to take the documents.
This is a guy who does not play by the rules and he got what he deserves.
dave rubin
Do we know what any of the documents are though?
Like, do we actually know, okay, there is a document in there that had some secret stuff
larry elder
There was a list of all the stuff that was taken out, although the affidavit underlying the warrant was heavily redacted.
I mean, you look at the sheet, there's a bunch of black stuff all over there, so you're not sure exactly what it is they were looking for or what it is they have.
But it does not appear that We still know.
We still don't know.
dave rubin
Does this feel like all the others to you, like the impeachments, like it's just like a show, or the January 6th thing, like the show must go on, but obviously nothing comes of it?
As you're telling me this, that's my gut feeling.
Oh, here we go again.
larry elder
This is where I feel the pressure on me.
I want to make sure I give you enough information so that you can respond to it in a rational, Dave Rubin-esque way.
I think I've given you all the information.
The answer to your question is, in my opinion, yes, it's the same stuff.
dave rubin
It feels like the same thing.
larry elder
They despise this man.
They're not giving him any leeway.
You know, Trump does not dot all the i's and cross all the t's.
He often says things that turn out to be exaggerations.
I mean, that's how he is.
I've always said this, and this is not original to me.
We, meaning people that support Trump, take him seriously but not literally.
The people who hate his guts take him literally but not seriously.
And that's, to me, what's going on here.
dave rubin
So, I mean, people think there's a legitimate feeling that he could be indicted, which would send him to jail?
larry elder
I've always said that I bet my house, and since I live in L.A.
and given the homeless encampment not too far from it, maybe you don't want it, but I always said I bet my house he will not be indicted.
I still don't think he will be, but I never would have thought that they would have executed a raid on Mar-a-Lago either.
So, I don't know anymore.
I still, if I were a betting person, I would say he's not going to be indicted.
So, you asked me if the country's on fire.
That's what the country's waiting for.
If the man gets indicted, a senator from North Carolina, Lindsey Graham, said that he believes there will be riots in the street.
He said that.
And a lot of people reacted to what he said.
I believe that that's the next shoe to drop.
If that happens, there will be an explosion in the country, in my opinion.
So, that's what people are waiting for right now.
dave rubin
Wow, you know, it's funny.
So right before I went off the grid, as I say every year, but I really meant it more so this year, just because of the general state of chaos.
And we haven't even talked, we haven't mentioned Brandon yet, but like, I wasn't even sure if he was going to be president when I got back.
I assume he is, if that's the biggest story.
Um, but I, I said right before I left, I was like, there is nothing that would surprise me that there would literally be, it would be almost impossible for you to sit me down here and say something that would be so off the rails, you know, short of the alien invasion or the zombie apocalypse, which wouldn't have been, That crazy to me either.
But this, this feels a little bit more like, just like the standard, this is what these guys do.
So I think my gut reaction is just sort of non-hysterical because this is what they do.
We went through 18 impeachments.
We went through the January 6 farce.
Like, I'm not saying, I have no idea, obviously I'm just hearing this now, but it's like, maybe he took some stuff he shouldn't have.
And yeah, is he a little sloppy in the cross the T's and dot the I's stuff?
Sure, but like, does he have secret documents at the country club in West Palm?
And this is what's going to get him?
larry elder
And is he trying to undermine the country?
Is he taking documents out because he's selling them to the Russians?
I mean, what exactly are you suggesting here?
dave rubin
And he's fighting this like Trump style, full on fight, fight, fight.
larry elder
Right.
And his lawyers have been on television.
And one of them said that we were cooperating.
Then all of a sudden the cooperation stopped and they went in.
They didn't have to do this.
We could have worked it out.
Why didn't they give us a chance to work it out?
dave rubin
Interesting.
If they thought that he was going to announce a run over the summer and that's why they did it, because I kind of felt, I didn't want to say it right before I went off, but I kind of felt he was going to announce in the summer so that he would be first in, keep the media always about him, and then also take credit when hopefully, unless you're going to tell me something else crazy here, we get a massive red wave in November, that he would basically be like, see, I announced, Republicans crushed, I'm orange, We're red, let's roll.
larry elder
Speaking of which, and there's a lot of stuff I want to get to, but speaking of which, after this raid, and Trump, by the way, calls it a raid, and the FBI does not call it a raid, they call it a search.
It's like insurrection, riot.
The polls show that the percentage of Republicans who want Trump to run in 2024 went up.
dave rubin
That doesn't surprise me.
larry elder
And the polls show that the percentage of people after these 9-11 televised hearings who believe Trump is responsible for the riot went down.
So if the goal was to weaken Donald Trump as a candidate in 2024 regarding the televised hearings or to weaken him as a candidate regarding this raid on Mar-a-Lago, it backfired.
dave rubin
You know, it's so obvious when you step away from the news a little bit and then I hear a story like this, like, it's just so obvious to me how badly CNN and MSNBC and Washington Post and New York Times, they need him.
They need him way more than he needs them at this point.
Like, I'm sure their ratings are pretty good right now, right?
Like, people are paying attention.
You know, pretty good relative to what they are, right?
So it's like, they're not Fox ratings, but like, people are paying, they need hysteria.
They just need that endless source of hysteria.
larry elder
They need Trump.
dave rubin
And there ain't anything better than that.
larry elder
They need Trump.
And I've always maintained, one of the reasons the media so dislikes him is because when he ran in 2016, They thought of him as a joke.
They put him on MSNBC, they put him on CNN, and the ratings went up.
But they did not think of him as a serious candidate.
So, no harm, no foul.
Numbers go up, we can have some fun with him, laugh behind his back.
And then little by little, of course, he began picking off his rivals, and they realized they created a monster.
And they were determined now to undo that.
You mentioned ratings.
While you were gone, Brian Stelter got fired.
The media guy on CNN.
dave rubin
Yes, are you kidding?
larry elder
Jeff Toobin got fired.
When they brought him back.
dave rubin
Wait, they brought him back?
larry elder
You know they brought him back after he took out his tubing.
dave rubin
Alright, alright.
Nobody's perfect.
larry elder
New Yorker, by the way, fired Tubin on the spot.
And CNN suspended him and brought him back.
But he came back before you left.
dave rubin
Wait, wait, wait.
Put Tubin aside.
Stelter's out.
larry elder
Stelter's out.
gone.
Gone.
Wow!
They did it!
Yeah, they did it.
They did it!
There's a new CEO who says he wants CNN to get back to being fair and balanced, as if
they ever were.
Right.
dave rubin
A little late for that.
larry elder
And he's apparently cleaning house.
He had a little meeting.
The new CNN, I think his name is White.
dave rubin
I'm shocked!
larry elder
Had a meeting and said, nobody is secure.
We want to get back to not being perceived as a left-wing network.
I'm paraphrasing.
And then within days of that meeting, Brian Stelter was gone.
And they gave him a week or so to say goodbye, which was a mistake because he teed off on the new owners, their discovery and the C.E.O.
and teed off on that guy.
And then Jeff Toobin also got released.
dave rubin
Wait, Stelter, first off, what's interesting to me about that is like, he sort of became the worst of the worst.
You know, he's supposed to critique the media, and you know, you're probably, are you friends with Howard Kurtz at all, or you must have done a show over the years?
larry elder
I did a show when I ran for governor.
dave rubin
Because he had the original reliable sources before Stelter, and I remember watching that when I was a kid.
I was always interested in media and politics and that stuff, and it was a good show on Sunday mornings.
And then he just, Stelter just Became the worst of the worst, like giving everyone what you think they want all the time.
Man, the internet must have loved this.
The memes must have been incredible.
larry elder
Remember when the Hunter Biden laptop story broke?
Stelter was one of those out front talking about Russian disinformation.
All the hallmarks of Russian disinformation and went off on how fraudulent the story was.
And of course, it wasn't fraudulent.
And he denied that he did that when the tape was all over the place.
No, he is the embodiment of why a lot of us dislike CNN.
But, as far as I'm concerned, Don Lamond is every bit as bad, if not worse, because he purports to be a news guy.
At least Stelter never pretended to be a news guy.
He was a commentator, a critic.
And why Don Lamond still has a job is beyond me.
Remember during Jossie Smollett?
Turns out Don Lamon called him off the record and told him that the Chicago police did not believe his story and gave him a heads up.
A news guy is not supposed to do that.
And later on, that came out and nothing happened to Don Lamon.
So.
dave rubin
Well, none of that surprises me.
And my guess is that Lamon's head is on the chopping block, too, and probably a few others.
larry elder
We'll see.
But since this guy, since the new CEO has been in office, but we've been running the place, by the way, about six weeks now, their numbers have gotten worse.
unidentified
Really?
dave rubin
Because it's so irreparably damaged.
The nuclear meltdown, it's begun already.
The core meltdown.
There's nothing they can do.
The New York Times, there's nothing they can do.
You step away from it for a little bit, it's so obvious.
These things are in their death throes.
And what's interesting about a guy like Stelter is like, Stelter has all the opportunity in the world right now, right?
larry elder
So you're more surprised at Stelter being fired than the Mar-a-Lago raid?
dave rubin
Well, the Mar-a-Lago raid just feels like, yeah, the next Trump adventure.
It's like the adventures of Donald Trump, you know?
It's like Harry Potter and the blah, blah, blah.
It's just Donald Trump and the raid on Mar-a-Lago.
Okay, here we go.
Stelter, though, what's interesting is, I'm guaranteeing you, this guy is not getting another decent job.
Like, he's done.
unidentified
Oh, please.
larry elder
Oh, please.
dave rubin
And he has nobody that's going to support him.
Here we are in the local studio because a certain amount of people support me, a certain amount of people support you.
There's such an incredible fertile ground right now for people that are interested to get out there and get support.
larry elder
He'll get another job.
dave rubin
No, he'll get some crappy throwaway job, but I'm saying no real people will support him.
larry elder
He'll go back to Washington Post or he'll go back to MSNB Hee Haw, which brings up another thing that happened.
Um, I made a joke and I said something about, uh, what's the over under on whether Emmett and Beheehaw hire Stelter first or Liz Cheney.
dave rubin
Oh my God.
larry elder
Liz Cheney lost her primary.
dave rubin
Oh, she did.
Good.
Well that, that's good.
Great.
Let me ask you, was it a bloodbath?
larry elder
By how many points do you think she lost it?
dave rubin
So I like Harriet Hageman and I had her on the show and I was very impressed with her.
How many points?
I mean, oh my god, was it more than 10?
unidentified
37.
larry elder
Wow.
She lost by 37 points.
The biggest loss of any incumbent running for re-election in a primary this century.
And the largest one I've ever heard of.
37 points.
dave rubin
But I thought she was the moral face of the Republicans.
larry elder
Ann Cheney gave a concession speech in which she said she's going to spend the rest of her energy making sure that Donald Trump never approaches the White House again.
I guess except as a tourist maybe.
dave rubin
Wait, wait, wait.
So I'm guessing now MSNBC and CNN, everyone's saying that she's going to run for president probably.
That's got to be the next move.
Oh, she was sort of too good for that simple job.
larry elder
She certainly implied it.
Unbelievable.
And then she was interviewed and she said something to the effect of, they don't want to see me on the debate stage with Donald Trump.
Well, as far as I know, in order for you to get on the debate stage, you have to agree to support the eventual nominee.
And the whole point about her running is to make sure that Donald Trump does not become the nominee.
So I'm not quite sure how she's going to navigate that.
But there is speculation she may run for president, yes.
dave rubin
Well that's good, that's good because she's nothing.
You know it's like what I always call these people, they're pet republicans.
The sort of Mitt Romney's or Liz Cheney's.
These people who go on MSNBC, they say exactly what you want, they never conserve anything, they never accomplish anything.
But they get pet on the head, you know, they give him a cookie after the appearance, and then they get to come back in a week or two, and then the Washington Post says nice things about them, as opposed to L.A.
Times calling you the black face of white supremacy.
larry elder
Well, and you know, Dave, what gets me about people like Romney and Cheney, Romney, as you know, ran in 2012.
Harry Reid goes on the floor of the Senate, and flat out lies, and says, the word on the street is, the man has not paid taxes in 10 years, because at the time, Romney didn't want to turn over his tax returns.
And then a few years later, Harry Reid's interviewed, and he admits he knowingly lied, And when Dana Bash of CNN asked him about that, how do you feel about that?
He goes, well, he didn't win, did he?
And at the time, the polls showed that Romney was probably going to beat Obama, who wanted to be reelected.
And so what Harry Reid did was basically torpedo Romney's chances of becoming president.
Fast forward, he now hates Donald Trump's guts.
And Cheney, her dad, Dick Cheney, as you know, was vice president under W. And just a few years ago, he was called a war criminal by the very people that are now embracing Liz Cheney.
So I don't quite understand it.
dave rubin
No, but because she wants in on the machine.
It's pretty sexy if you can get in on it.
If you can sell your soul to that degree, the same people, you will sell your soul to the same people who are trying to destroy your father and your family name and everything else.
I guess the constituents are a little wiser than Liz.
Wait, can we pause for one second because I just realized, I mentioned to you right before we started, but it's worth mentioning again, that a year ago right now, September 1st, you were running for governor of California, just to talk about how a year Changes so quickly and how everything flips so quickly you were running for governor.
We were campaigning together I think on September 2nd or 3rd.
I was at an event with you, right?
Somewhere about about half hour 45 minute maybe Modesto or something And then obviously the recall did not go the way we wanted and then two or three days later I was done.
I was done with Cali.
You're still in Cali.
We're now in Florida like things man.
What a year.
larry elder
I You know, a whole bunch of people told me, had I won, they would have stayed.
A lot of people told me, had I won, they would have come back.
dave rubin
I would have stayed, obviously.
larry elder
So the exodus has accelerated after that.
dave rubin
What a year!
larry elder
Back to Cheney for a second.
dave rubin
Yes, sorry.
larry elder
You said she wants to join the machine.
It turns out her net worth, since she's been in Congress, has increased substantially.
dave rubin
Pelosi-style?
larry elder
She has a husband who's a partner at one of the major law firms, Latham & Watkins.
But her own personal net worth has also increased three or four-fold.
And nobody can quite figure out why.
She owns a lot of stock.
As you know, many people who are in the house have been able to take advantage of inside information.
I'm not saying she did it.
All I'm saying is that there was a big story about how her net worth has increased pretty substantially.
dave rubin
All right, so far this is pretty interesting.
So we got the Trump raid.
I have to obviously ingest that a little bit more.
Stelter getting the boot is spectacular.
The thing is, I don't wish ill on people, but he's not someone that should be respected or listened to.
So go do something else.
Go be a potato farmer.
You gotta get going.
You just can't stay here.
So him out tubing, who cares?
It's like, all right, whatever.
I'm sure he can get a job on, what's that site?
OnlyFans or something.
He wouldn't do well.
And then this Liz thing.
So, okay, we're getting rid of some people.
Some people seem to be moving out of the way.
The brush is clearing.
What else you got for me with that smile on your face?
larry elder
Speaking of Brandon, Brandon has tested positive for COVID again.
unidentified
Right now?
larry elder
And then after a few days, he went into isolation and they said he was negative and tested positive again.
dave rubin
You know, remember what happened right before I left the grid just a few days before was when he accidentally said he had cancer and everyone was like, no, no, no, that's just because he has dementia.
Like that's the level that we're dealing with with Brandon.
I didn't hear his name once.
Actually, the only time I heard his name the entire month is we've been doing some construction at the house and my, my contractor's annoyed.
He calls him Brandon because the supply chain is so screwed up that, you know, you can't get a screw because of Brandon basically.
You can get screwed because of Brandon.
So wait, so he has COVID for now, the 18th time.
And what about the fumbles and the mumbles and everything?
larry elder
Still doing those.
And he did a big signing.
I think there were two major things he's done that you should be aware of.
The first is the sort of skinny version of Build Back Better has now been passed.
Mansion and Cinema both conceded.
And a bunch of money, hundreds of billions of dollars of money is being spent, 85% of it which is for climate change, but it's called the Inflation Reduction Act.
dave rubin
Ah, yes, because spending a whole bunch of money really helps.
larry elder
Right.
dave rubin
God, you've got to admire it.
You've got to admire the evil.
larry elder
Right.
And even Bernie Sanders said that this bill is not going to reduce inflation.
Even Bernie Sanders said it.
So, a bunch of money, hundreds of billions of dollars more.
The second thing he did is that he is, through executive order apparently, there's still some details left, but going to forgive up to $10,000 in student debt for people making under $125,000, or for a household making $250,000, it could be as high as $20,000.
$25,000 or for a household making $250,000, it could be as high as $20,000.
And the lion's share of it...
dave rubin
I mean, it's just nonsense.
larry elder
The lion's share of it is going to go to people whose incomes are at or above the national
average or will soon be at or above the national average because they went to college.
dave rubin
Right.
larry elder
And so people that didn't go to college or people who went and paid their own loans off are not happy.
Even some Democrats are not happy.
unidentified
Right.
dave rubin
Well, you're punishing people for doing the right thing.
I remember very clearly when we paid off David's final college loans.
It was a great moment.
We worked really hard.
He had loans for years.
And finally, we were making some money a couple years ago.
We paid it off.
It was great.
It's like, why pay it off?
And also, what do you say for $100,000?
larry elder
$150,000?
$125,000, singles.
But if you're a household, you can forgive up to $20,000.
These are people that had Pell Grants.
And so the idea is these are people who are on the lower end of the economic spectrum.
But the people that went to college, and the reason you go to college is to make more money, are either at or will likely be at above the national average in salary.
And so people that are below that are not happy.
dave rubin
Larry, I'm not a constitutional scholar and I've been a little off the beaten path lately, but I'm pretty sure the founders didn't think that the president would be able to sign something, which he doesn't even sign, it's like an auto-penner sign, so that someone's debt, who voluntarily got into debt to do something, whether it turned out to be good or not, And often, at 125 grand, that means you could get out of college, be making 100 grand a year, which is pretty decent.
You went to Duke, where you spent all this money to get in.
You're subsidizing, actually, upper-middle class people, in many cases, right?
You're not just subsidizing the kid from the inner city who goes to community college.
larry elder
God, these people are just morons!
the legality of this. I forgot how stupid everybody is. In July of last year, Nancy Pelosi said during
one of her press conferences that the president lacked the legal authority to do this. Right,
of course. After Biden did it, she extolled the virtues of the bill. The general counsel of the
secretary of education under Barack Obama also said recently that he did not believe the president
had the legal authority to do this.
So it's already being sued, being challenged in court, and it's going to work its way up to the Supreme Court probably.
dave rubin
Do they ever even think of the secondary effects of this stuff?
It's like you can't just erase it.
It still exists.
You could say, oh, you don't have to pay it, but the debt still exists.
larry elder
Do they care?
dave rubin
Somebody, right?
larry elder
Somebody's got to carry You remember when Obama used to say he didn't have the legal authority to legalize a bunch of illegal aliens and didn't DACA anyway?
dave rubin
So, remember AOC?
She said you don't have to be factually correct, you have to be morally right.
larry elder
Morally right.
dave rubin
God!
Morons!
Alright, so this is hung up in court though.
And I'm gonna guess actually that, correct me if I'm wrong, I got one here for ya, I'm gonna guess that the loony progressive side is saying he didn't do enough, right?
larry elder
Well, actually, you're right.
The NAACP is unhappy because they feel a disproportion of this will go to white people.
dave rubin
To white people!
larry elder
In fact, I've called it reparation for rich white people.
Lawrence Tribe is a law professor from Harvard.
He tweeted, this is great news for my students now who went to school, who I taught, are now going to be relieved of $10,000.
So, people that went to Harvard Law are going to be relieved of $10,000 of debt, says Lawrence Tribe.
dave rubin
They just want the machine to continue.
So much of it, when you step away, is just about the show must go on.
The stupid show must go on.
They must get more money with the bills that they sign.
So are Republicans, let me just back up to the first bill that you were talking about, the scale back, bill back better.
Are Republicans all, did any Republican, oh no, so obviously some Republicans voted for it, right?
larry elder
Not in the Senate.
dave rubin
Not in the Senate.
But Manchin and Sinema came over, that was enough.
And that's where we're at on that.
larry elder
That's where we're at.
dave rubin
The Inflation Reduction Act.
larry elder
That's what it's called, the Inflation Reduction Act.
And by the way, Joe Biden's poll numbers appear to be doing a little better because gas prices have gone down a little bit.
And in July, there was 0% inflation that one month.
And Biden did a big press conference and said inflation is now at zero.
It's not at zero.
It was zero in July.
Year-to-year, 8.5 percent.
dave rubin
Wait, but was that a flub or just a lie?
Like, was that just one of his, like, he doesn't know what he's saying?
larry elder
If you say inflation did not go up in July, it's correct.
But inflation year-to-year went up 8.5.
And year-to-year for gas prices up almost 50 percent.
So, people are still hurting.
And it's still the number one issue.
dave rubin
It's interesting, because here in Florida, I thought maybe that I would be able to gauge what's going on in the country just by the amount of people that are out and about, or just, you know, when you go into stores, but everything's so flourishing here that everywhere I go, things are packed.
There's so many cars on the roads, the stores are all packed, the restaurants are all packed, but I know Florida's not the sort of perfect bellwether for the rest of the country.
larry elder
I'm going through some of these.
A Republican member of the House, name is Jackie Walorski.
Indiana, was killed in a car crash.
And she's 58 years old.
And the controversy is the way the New York Times did her sort of obituary.
One of the first lines was, Support it would happen when Donald Trump has been denying the election.
Basically called her an election denier.
As opposed to going over her career, her life, and what happened.
Representative Walorski, comma, who was one of those who doesn't believe the 2020 election was on the up and up, comma, blah, blah, blah.
dave rubin
God, it's so gross, I mean that, when you make politics about everything, that it's just so gross that they do, it's not a newspaper.
That's what people need to understand, these things are not, New York Times by no estimation of what we old school folks would think of as a newspaper, all the news that's fit to print, it's not that.
CNN is not a news organization, even if this guy fired Stelter, like that type of thing, that's just so gross, that doesn't surprise me.
larry elder
You mentioned New York Times.
New York Times has not endorsed a Republican for president since 1956.
Is that right?
Since I was four years old.
dave rubin
Who was it?
larry elder
Do you know who it was?
56, that would have been Eisenhower.
dave rubin
Jeez.
larry elder
That's it.
dave rubin
Yeah.
larry elder
That's it.
So Mondale over Reagan, really?
unidentified
Yeah.
larry elder
Dukakis over George Herbert Walker Bush, really?
dave rubin
Were you on the, when they did the Sunday cover about the people on YouTube that are leading people to the alt-right and it was me and Jordan Peterson and Milton Friedman and Shapiro?
Were you?
larry elder
I'm not sure I was.
I don't think so.
dave rubin
Did you not make that one?
larry elder
I think I would have known.
dave rubin
Damn.
larry elder
I did make the cover of Newsweek recently.
unidentified
You did?
larry elder
Yeah.
It was about, then came around the time of my election, and I'm sitting in a chair, kind of like this, like the Godfather, and there are four or five other Republicans standing around me, including Winston Sears, Candace Owens, Oh, the whole crew!
Vernon Jones, and one or two other people.
dave rubin
Yeah.
I don't remember that.
larry elder
Back to this Congresswoman that died and how they are phrasing her as an election denier.
Here's what bothers me.
Dave, I want to get your reaction to it.
For four years, when Trump was president, Hillary referred to him as illegitimate, her word, not mine, and called the election stolen.
There was a 1,000-page report about the 2016 election, the Senate did, and there were two major conclusions.
Conclusion number one is that the Russians tried to alter vote tallies, but they did
not succeed in changing a single vote tally.
YouGov poll came out in 2018.
Sixty-six percent of Democrats believe the Russians, quote, altered vote tallies, close quote, to elect Donald Trump.
Even though there's zero evidence they altered a single vote.
Jay Johnson, his DHS secretary, testified under oath, Obama's secretary under oath, that not a single vote tally was changed.
Yet two-thirds of Democrats believe that they were.
The second major finding is, Jay Johnson said, we have no idea whether the Russian interference altered
the outcome of the election.
We'd have to be mind readers to know that.
We know they tried.
We don't know whether it had an effect on public opinion.
We don't know whether it had an effect on the outcome.
78% of Democrats, according to Gallup, 2018, believe that the Russian interference, quote,
altered the outcome of the election, close quote.
My point is, a greater percentage of Democrats believe 2016 was stolen
than we believe that about 2020.
Yet, Hillary's not called an election denier.
Stacey Abrams, who still claims that she lost her election because of fraud,
is not called an election denier.
Al Gore, who still claims that the Supreme Court put George W. Bush there,
is not called an election denier.
Hillary's not called an election denier.
Her platforms have not been shut down, even though they're and
analysis of 2016 has caused so many Democrats to falsely believe the Russians changed vote tallies.
dave rubin
You know it's interesting because basically you're getting back to that double standard thing again and in some ways you know for this whole month it was a lot of baby stuff for me but when I would sort of think about how I want to do the show going forward and how I want to have a new take on things and it had something to do with this because this the double standard thing it is never going to stop and People need to understand that we can expose it.
A lot of us do a hell of a job exposing it.
You've been doing it for years on the radio.
Obviously, I've been doing it now.
There's Shapiro and Rogan and all these people exposing the nonsense, right?
But the nonsense is never going to stop.
The machine sort of needs the nonsense.
It needs the lie.
It launders lies through the system and then you get a certain amount of people like a Liz Cheney or say a Jennifer Rubin who is not my sister or a Bill Kristol.
These people who used to kind of make sense, but then they realize the system never loses, the house never loses, so then they want to get in on it.
So it's a much, I guess it's a little more scary to be on our side of it, to know that for whatever reason this force just exists.
And it's going and going and going, and you're always fighting it.
But I've been really trying to think in the last month, like, how do I want to go ahead and do the show?
And it's like, you have to call attention to it, and you have to be, hey, you know, they would do it this way if it was our guy, and this is how they do it for their guy.
But also not get completely obsessed by that, because you can't win.
larry elder
What they do, what they say is, you're engaging in whataboutism.
I hear that all the time.
I said, no, I'm calling out the hypocrisy.
I'm calling out the selective outrage.
I'm calling out the double standard.
For example, Benny Thompson is the chair of the January 6th committee.
He's the one chairing these televised hearings.
unidentified
January... Wait, is that shit still going on?
larry elder
Oh yeah.
dave rubin
It's still happening?
larry elder
Still going on, yeah.
dave rubin
Didn't they put a pin in it and then they said we'll have season two after that?
larry elder
They stopped it, but they are implying there's one more to come.
dave rubin
Anyway... Because Trump, didn't Trump grab the driver and then drive the car?
larry elder
Yes, supposedly, and then one of the Secret Service agents said it never happened.
But Benny Thompson is the chair of the January 6th committee.
dave rubin
Yeah.
larry elder
And in January of 2005, after George W. Bush won re-election, they challenged the certification of the electors in Ohio.
And he joined 30 Democrats to argue that the election in Ohio was fraudulent, should be set aside, arguing, among other things, that the Diebold voting machines were rigged, because Diebold, I think the CEO is Republican, were rigged, even though there's no evidence of that.
So he was engaging in, wait for it, election denying.
And here he is, sharing the hearings.
dave rubin
It's just what they do.
You know, it's like, if you think about the way that they've treated the squad, right?
These are all heroes, and they're such empowered, wonderful women.
And then what happens?
That woman, Mayra Flores, wins that seat in Texas, right?
And what is she in the New York Times?
What's the article called?
The Rise of the Far-Right Latina.
Sound a little familiar?
Something they used to do to you?
So it's like, it just is what it is, and we just have to keep building new things, and separate from these people.
larry elder
I really believe that.
This is not on the list of topics I was given, but you just reminded me of something.
One quarter of the squad is Ilhan Omar, who of course wants to defund the police.
She called the cops because somebody apparently was on her property, hiding in her trash can.
And she called the police.
So she kind of wanted them to come to her rescue when she needed them, but she wants to simultaneously defund the police.
dave rubin
The same people that she has demonized endlessly have basically destroyed Minneapolis.
larry elder
We don't want to use the H-word, hypocrisy.
dave rubin
Remember that when she was calling for defunding the police, they're literally burning down Minneapolis and then she does that press conference from a gym somewhere at a school and she's like, the police aren't doing their job.
Man, you people.
larry elder
Your governor has been hitting the campaign trail.
Yeah.
And he has been supporting people that the critics have been calling election deniers.
People like Carrie Lake in Arizona, who I also support.
dave rubin
Oh, so DeSantis is supporting Carrie Lake?
larry elder
Right.
dave rubin
All right, great.
larry elder
And she won her primary and is in a tough fight for governor.
But DeSantis is being criticized for supporting, quote, election deniers in various other races around the country.
So if you support somebody who is skeptical about the results of 2020, you, in fact, have now been infected by the same disease and you're an election denier as well.
dave rubin
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Ron DeSantis doesn't care about that, and he's going to keep doing what he's doing.
I assume things are going well here in Florida.
Is he still basically the president?
I mean, he basically is the functioning president.
larry elder
He's still a rock star.
dave rubin
He's sort of the leader of the country at the moment.
larry elder
He's still a rock star.
The mask mandates have now come back in certain areas.
dave rubin
So I have not heard a thing about COVID.
COVID has nothing to do With my life, right now.
Like, literally nothing to do with my life at any level whatsoever.
larry elder
Fauci, apparently, is going to retire at the end of the year.
Okay.
With the highest pension any government employee has ever had.
Close to half a million dollars a year.
Until he dies.
Jesus.
dave rubin
Well, he's the highest paid federal employee, right?
He makes about $420,000 a year.
larry elder
Yeah, and he's never going to die, so... Right, they've been rejecting him with all sorts of stuff.
He also got... Wait, wait, wait, wait.
dave rubin
Did you say the mask mandates are coming back?
larry elder
Where?
In certain areas.
Philadelphia.
Speaking of which, I've got to tell you about this little thing that's going on in Philadelphia.
You're not on this sheet, but I want to get your reaction to it.
There's an amusement park called Sesame Place.
Have you ever heard of it?
unidentified
Oh yeah!
dave rubin
I used to go there when I was a kid.
I've been there many times.
Climb on those ropes.
larry elder
I had never heard of it.
I'm in LA.
unidentified
You've got Universal Studios.
larry elder
You're a Burbank guy.
Notchberry Farm and a few other things, but I had never heard of Sesame Place.
dave rubin
It's in Pennsylvania.
larry elder
Right outside Philadelphia.
So there are Muppets characters that run around.
And the character named Rosita, you know who that is?
That's the green one with shaggy stuff?
Rosita?
dave rubin
Let me guess, she's trans?
larry elder
No, there's video of Rosita going down a little street where the kids are going like this, cheering as she's going down the street, and she's high-fiving white kids, but they're little black girls that want him to high-five, and Rosita ignores them.
I mean, it's pretty blatant if you look at the video.
dave rubin
Okay, so it actually strikes you as blatant.
larry elder
Coming down the road like a parade, and on the sideline you have all these people and the characters highlighting them.
By the way, you don't know who's underneath the costume.
It could be a male, it could be a female, it could be black, it could be anybody.
You don't know.
But these little black kids were ignored.
And the parents of the black kids put it on YouTube.
And then other parents who'd gone to Sesame Place put other instances on YouTube where their kids were ignored.
dave rubin
By the same character?
larry elder
By the same character.
dave rubin
Okay, so this sounds like something interesting here.
larry elder
Maybe.
We don't know.
dave rubin
Let me guess, it was a black woman in there.
larry elder
No, we don't know who's under there.
unidentified
We still don't know.
larry elder
We still don't know.
It's still a mystery right now.
unidentified
Wait, why don't they tell us who Rosita is?
larry elder
25 million dollar class action lawsuit followed by a family from Baltimore whose kids were ignored.
dave rubin
Oscar already lives in the trash.
Now they're going to sue him for $25 million.
larry elder
Sesame Place puts out a statement apologizing profusely, offering the family whose feelings were hurt that lifetime passes.
Wow.
But Jesse Jackson sends a letter demanding that they all undergo sensitivity training, that there be at least one black member of the board of directors, and they do more business with black vendors.
Jackson says nothing, however, about the fact that in Baltimore, the city where these kids were from, 13 public high schools, 0% of the kids are math proficient.
Another half dozen where only 1% is.
Jackson did not write a letter about Philadelphia on track for more homicides in their history, and almost all these homicides are black people.
So that didn't cause Jackson to write a letter, but he wrote a letter on behalf of the families that allegedly were dissed by Rosita.
dave rubin
So you're saying there's a little more publicity in going after Elmo than, say, dealing with crime and inner city?
Yeah, yeah.
Well, obviously we must know the racial makeup of Rosita to have a better understanding of this story.
Because if it's a white person, it's racist.
If it's a black person, maybe they're confused or colorblind.
larry elder
Or self-loathing.
dave rubin
Self-loathing.
larry elder
Or a black face of white supremacy.
dave rubin
Or people saying it's you.
Are you Rosita?
larry elder
That's messed up, man.
As you know, George Floyd died because of what Derek Chauvin did.
Big trial.
Derek Chauvin was found not guilty.
A few days ago, there were three Arkansas police officers.
dave rubin
Wait, sorry, Derek Chauvin was found guilty, right?
Was found guilty, okay, okay.
larry elder
Did I say not guilty?
dave rubin
I think you said not guilty, okay.
larry elder
Found guilty.
Although, I will tell you that it spawned four months, as you know, of riots in the streets.
Peaceful riots.
Love and tolerance riots.
25 people were killed or more, about 2,000 officers were injured, and it is estimated that about $2 billion of damage was done.
Zero evidence that whatever you think about Derek Chauvin, and I believe that the verdict was just, that he did it because of Eric, of George Floyd's race.
The black prosecutor leaned over backwards to make sure in his opening statement that he said police officers in general were not on trial.
Minneapolis police officers went out on trial.
This individual was on trial, and he never argued that Chauvin was motivated by George Floyd's race.
Yet there were four months worth of protests in the streets, all presumably because they believed that George Floyd was a victim of police brutality because of his race.
Three or four days ago, there were three Arkansas cops, I forget the name of the town, Beating the crap out of a white suspect.
The cops were all white.
And the suspect allegedly, we don't know because they didn't show the video ahead of time, but the suspect allegedly attacked an officer, body slammed an officer, and there were three officers on top of this guy just beating him, beating, kicking him, beating him, beating him, kicking him.
One day story.
unidentified
Yeah.
dave rubin
I'm surprised it even made a day story.
larry elder
One day story.
There were about 10 million views on YouTube, but on CNN and Emerson Behear, one day story.
dave rubin
Man, that's the double standard thing again.
And it's just like, it's something we just have to like, you just basically have to swallow it, understand it, know that it is.
And that, right, like where, wouldn't Black Lives Matter care about police brutality regardless of skin color?
If your main issue For two years we were told the whole country, or for more than two years, but their driving force of that movement when they weren't burning down the local mom-and-pop nail salon and shoe repair place was that this is a systemically racist country and police are evil.
So if police were beating the crap out of a white guy, wouldn't you still care about that if you really cared about it?
Larry, I'm starting to think these people are full of shit!
What do you think, man?
I've been gone.
larry elder
One day's story.
dave rubin
I'm seeing it clear, man.
larry elder
As my mom used to say, he's just a dead fly.
The guy's alive, he wasn't killed, but he was beating the snot out of him.
It was a Rodney King-esque kind of beating, although it was just three cops and not how many there were with Rodney King.
Show business.
dave rubin
Yes!
larry elder
You know who Anne Haysh is?
dave rubin
She's not Ellen's wife.
larry elder
She was Ellen's wife.
dave rubin
They got divorced or whatever.
larry elder
She's dead.
She was in a car accident.
Apparently she was on drugs and this was in an area of L.A.
called Hawthorne.
She was driving and she plowed into another house and she was killed.
No one in the house was killed, but she was taken out on a stretcher, this video, and she died a few hours later, apparently.
53 years old and apparently full of drugs.
Fentanyl, including fentanyl.
dave rubin
Man, I mean, well I'm sorry to hear that but the fentanyl thing, I don't know if there are any major stories, well I guess this is a major story about that but that is like the big problem in America on the horizon if people aren't aware of it.
larry elder
Olivia Newton-John died.
dave rubin
She died.
So I did have a feeling, that was the one thing that I thought maybe happened because when I was flipping through like Apple movies at night and on Spotify there was a ton of Olivia Newton-John stuff and I was like they only show you that kind of stuff if someone died.
I thought either she died or it was the 50th anniversary of Greece or something like that.
That's it.
larry elder
Staying in the show business mold, Alec Baldwin.
dave rubin
As you know, Alec Baldwin… I'm going to shoot now.
larry elder
By the way, when I was running for governor, Alec Baldwin tweeted, Larry Elder is dangerous.
I mean, Trump dangerous.
So I tweeted back and I said, how many people have I shot and killed?
Just in round numbers.
He didn't respond.
dave rubin
I'll tell you one Alec Baldwin story.
I don't think I've ever said this publicly before, but you know that place Craig's in LA?
Yeah.
It's very famous.
It's like where you go to be seen there, this restaurant in West Hollywood.
larry elder
Which is why I never go there.
dave rubin
Right, so I've only been there once.
larry elder
Right, I bet you have.
dave rubin
No, no, I've been there twice.
I knew it.
When I signed my first deal, my agent took me there and then I went one other time.
Anyway, so the second time I'm there, this is before Alec Baldwin shot that person or some of this stuff, but this is maybe like six years ago or so.
I'm at Craig's and the way the whole restaurant is, because it's to be seen there, all the booths are sort of in a U so that everyone can see everybody because that's the whole idea.
You want to see people and the paparazzi are outside.
Alec Baldwin came in and he's with his wife, I don't know her name, but maybe they're still married, blonde woman.
He was screaming at her and getting in her face in a violent manner like I have never seen before.
Ever publicly.
Like it was so designed to be seen and make sure everyone knows they see.
Because it's all celebrities there.
larry elder
So he wanted them to be seen and he wanted them to report on him yelling at her?
dave rubin
I think so.
Just that he wanted everyone in that place to look at him and see him and blah blah blah.
larry elder
Did it work?
Was there a story on it?
dave rubin
I don't know that there was a story on it, but everyone in the restaurant was looking at him.
Everybody there.
Oh, it's Alec.
Oh, look at the way he's yelling.
It was embarrassing.
It was embarrassing.
But I did see Steve Guttenberg there.
That was pretty good.
larry elder
What's he doing now?
dave rubin
I don't know, but he was having dinner at Craig's.
larry elder
He was there.
dave rubin
That was pretty cool.
larry elder
You're probably the only one who recognized him.
I'm just saying.
dave rubin
Police Academy, man!
larry elder
I love you!
dave rubin
Wait, so what happened?
larry elder
The reason I mention it is that for whatever reason, the FBI did some sort of report, investigation on whether or not he pulled the trigger.
He, Baldwin, on a couple of occasions, once to, I call him George Clintonopolis, Stepanopolis, told Stepanopolis, I would never pull a trigger on a gun.
I would never do that.
I would never point a gun.
dave rubin
But he did, didn't he?
larry elder
Of course he did.
And so the FBI did some sort of analysis and said, actually you did, and you pulled the trigger and the gun and the bullet went out and you're the one responsible for having killed this set designer or cinematographer or something.
Right.
dave rubin
I mean, the whole thing with that story is, look, I don't think he's a murderer in a traditional sense of murder.
larry elder
He hasn't been charged with anything.
unidentified
Right, right.
dave rubin
I don't think it's like that.
I also, I don't know the exact policies related to on set when they hand you a weapon, but I'm pretty sure when you're on set... He broke the policy.
larry elder
Somebody didn't follow the policy.
dave rubin
Right, so I guess the policy is you have to check yourself, but I would imagine that actors, think about all the movies with all the guns, you think you think Sly Stallone is like flipping through the chamber every single time he's shooting something like, you know, so there's a lot of blame to go around.
larry elder
Twitter.
dave rubin
God, please.
So Twitter more than anything.
larry elder
What do you think that I'm going to say about Twitter?
dave rubin
Well, I'm guessing nothing happened with Elon Musk, unfortunately.
That would be my gut feeling, is that that thing just fizzled out.
I think maybe it was intentional.
I was saying this months ago, as much as I wanted him to get it, I thought maybe he was intentionally trying to expose the nonsense, knowing that there's so much fakeness there.
I will tell you this, having not been on social media for a month, I mean, first off, I don't miss any of it.
Absolutely none of it.
I miss this.
I miss doing a show.
I miss the reaction with my real fans, that sort of thing.
And I love this, I really do.
Twitter is the one, like, I don't know if I want to get back on there.
I'm starting to think that, oh, I've been thinking it for a while, like, just let it go.
It's evil and it's so highly manipulated.
So I don't know what you're about to tell me.
Please tell me they've discovered something about the algorithm, or there was a mass banning, or am I even on Twitter?
larry elder
Let me first respond to some of the stuff you just said.
When I ran for governor, I was just a smidge under a million followers on Twitter.
dave rubin
I remember, we were always neck and neck.
larry elder
In fact, when you and I first met, you had about 50,000 more than I did, and I thought, if I can stay even with Dave, and then of course you just took off, so you left me in the dust, but I had a little under a million.
And as soon as I ended the campaign, over the next several weeks, I lost almost $10,000.
dave rubin
Yep.
larry elder
Almost $20,000.
Little by little by little, I began losing them.
Elon Musk announced his intention to buy Twitter.
dave rubin
Blows up.
I gained about $200,000.
larry elder
I got $10,000 within 24 hours.
Yeah.
And then when it looked like he was backing away because he claimed that he was sold a bill of goods, that there were way more bots than he understood, all of a sudden I began losing again.
Um, so right now where it stands is he's taken them to court, or Twitter's taken him to court to force him to go through with his $44 billion offer.
dave rubin
To buy the fraudulent company, yeah.
larry elder
And there's now a whistleblower who's come forward and said that we at Twitter have no idea how many bots there are.
It is not in our best interest to know how many bots there are.
They have no mechanism to find out how many bots there are.
dave rubin
Wow.
larry elder
And so now it looks as if the argument that Elon Musk made has a lot more strength behind it now.
dave rubin
I'm going on the assumption that the whistleblower is now being called an alt-right conspiracy theorist and Alex Jones' acolyte.
larry elder
Yeah, we don't know who the whistleblower is.
dave rubin
Twitter, there's something about what's going on on Twitter that is way more obviously evil than the other stuff.
The other ones you know it's evil, like you post something on Instagram and it's all full of bots and they're trying to get you to click this link to buy Bitcoin or like nonsense.
Twitter, it went from, there was this feeling like you could really share a message and thing you could see, you could watch things go viral, you could see it.
Now I just don't see, like I haven't been on Twitter in a month, but I like basically never see your tweets anymore.
Now does that mean that they're shadow banning you?
larry elder
I tweet a lot.
dave rubin
But does that mean they're shadow banning you to everybody, or do they actually pick who they want to see who because they know what nodes are able to then get other people's messages to spread?
It's like, this is what I kept thinking all month with Twitter, because I really, I'm feeling this thing, you know, Jordan Peterson got booted from Twitter because he said that Ellen Page was a woman, or Elliot Page is, I don't know, whatever the hell he said, doesn't matter.
larry elder
He's not a trained biologist.
dave rubin
Yeah, he's not.
What does he know?
Psychiatrist, not a biologist.
What does he know?
Psychologist.
But, you know, he stayed off Twitter.
He could have deleted the tweet and come back.
And as far as I know, unless he came back this month, which I think I can say with confidence he hasn't, there was a feeling, because I got booted when I then defended him.
I basically just screenshot what he said.
And I decided to come back because I wanted to be in where the fight is.
But really, it's like playing Monopoly.
We're all basically playing Monopoly, knowing that the guy in charge of the bank is stealing money.
And we all keep losing, and every night we say, let's play Monopoly again.
And we do it again.
larry elder
Because he's the banker with the money.
dave rubin
Yeah.
And we just keep doing it.
And that's what has to shift.
That's what has to shift.
That's why I built a studio.
That's the thing about the double standard thing, to get back to what we were talking about earlier.
It's like, that's something.
It is real.
It exists.
It ain't going anywhere.
What can we do to move off it?
I don't know that I can play that game anymore.
Something feels very, very off about it.
larry elder
Well, the obvious solution is for us to have our own mechanism, our own platforms, indeed our own Google.
Because Truth Social, which is the platform that Donald Trump has built, is now not going to be carried on Android.
dave rubin
Oh, they're booting them from Android.
That's interesting.
larry elder
That's almost 40% of the market, so he won't even be able to speak to a lot of people.
dave rubin
I'm like you, I'm mostly a libertarian as you know.
This is where if the government can't ensure that there is some basic ability for companies to compete, then I don't even know what the purpose of the government is.
Now that Google has become more important than the government, if they say your store You will not be allowed to be in the marketplace.
That is the marketplace.
larry elder
Right.
dave rubin
And now they're saying you can't be in there.
And I gotta say, truth was, I was getting good traction on there.
It felt real to me the way Twitter used to feel, because I got on there a little bit before.
larry elder
Well, this leads us to another very important topic.
I can imagine people watching this live on our live stream going, ask him about this!
Ask him about this!
You just led into it.
We talked about Twitter.
dave rubin
Yeah.
larry elder
Big story.
On the Joe Rogan podcast, he is interviewing Mark Zuckerberg.
dave rubin
No shit.
No shit, he did it already?
larry elder
I'm laughing because I'm tempted to respond in kind.
My father hated it when I cursed.
dave rubin
Yeah.
larry elder
Hated it.
And I used to do it much more freely than I do right now.
dave rubin
Yeah.
Once in a blue moon off camera, he'll drop something.
larry elder
My father used to wince when I would curse.
And so I worked on it.
And now we've got to the point where I don't do it anymore.
Now you're going, no, wait!
dave rubin
Wait, he did it already?
They did the interview already?
larry elder
Okay, did the interview already.
dave rubin
Okay.
larry elder
Very long interview.
As you know, he's lengthy interviews, kind of like this.
dave rubin
I'm shocked, yeah.
larry elder
And he of course asked Mark Zuckerberg about the Hunter Biden laptop story, which Facebook and Twitter both suppressed.
Twitter didn't even retweet the story on the New York Post, shut down the New York Post's ability to do it, and Facebook also altered the algorithm so that far fewer people saw it than otherwise would have.
dave rubin
Yeah.
larry elder
And Zuckerberg says, and I'm paraphrasing, this is very important how he phrased it.
He said, some people from the FBI came to us.
Or came to some members of my team and said that there's going to be some stories that are going to be dropping pretty soon.
And it is likely going to be Russian disinformation.
And we want to give you a heads up.
They did not specifically say there's going to be a story about Hunter Biden's laptop.
But within days of the FBI coming to Zuckerberg's people, Zuckerberg said that the laptop story dropped.
We assumed, again I'm paraphrasing, we connected the warning to the story and that's why we suppressed it.
Logan followed up by asking, did they specifically talk about the Hunter Biden story?
He didn't say it quite that way.
He didn't say it quite that well, frankly, he should have.
I was critical of the interview, and I'll tell you why in a second.
Zuckerberg said, no, but they told us there's going to be Russian disinformation, as there
was in 2016, says the FBI, and we should be wary of that.
And so when the Hunter Biden story broke, I thought that's what the FBI was talking about, referring to, so that's why we suppressed the story.
And he admitted, Zuckerberg admitted, that they altered the algorithm so that it didn't get the same kind of coverage it otherwise would have, and used the word meaningful, meaning the percentage of people who did not see it was meaningful.
dave rubin
So first, let's do this.
larry elder
So just getting back to you about being a libertarian.
Yeah.
It's one thing for a private company to make that decision.
It's another thing for the government to essentially warn you, knowing full well that you're going to take the warning seriously.
And so it makes it almost state action now.
unidentified
Right.
dave rubin
So at that level, so in essence, what you have is the government outsourcing the tyranny.
The government is basically saying it's a threat.
If they're calling Facebook, there is some level of a threat involved.
There's some stuff coming down the pike that if you promote, You might have some other problems, we might want to audit you, all sorts of stuff.
So that's where they are outsourcing the tyranny.
They're not stepping on the First Amendment directly.
Well, this is sort of like, I remember when Psaki said over, what was it, was it last summer when Psaki said that the government flags certain posts for us.
You know, we flag certain posts for Facebook, I should say.
It's like, this has been happening for a long time.
So, when did this happen, this Zuckerberg interview?
larry elder
Is this the last couple days?
Last ten days, maybe.
dave rubin
Last ten days?
So, are people hopefully realizing what's going on here?
Like, are you able to break through any of the robots, the NPCs?
larry elder
Our side, meaning the non-woke side, is reacting exactly as you have just done.
dave rubin
Surprise, surprise, man.
larry elder
But the others aren't saying a whole lot.
Because there was a study that was done by Media Research Group and found that 16% of Joe Biden voters say, had they known about the Hunter Biden laptop story, they would not have voted for Biden.
So it clearly altered the election.
But something altered the election even bigger, and one of the reasons I was critical of Joe Rogan's interview is he didn't bring this up.
You know about the $419.5 million that Zuckerberg spent of his own money to bring out Democratic turnout.
Molly Hemingway wrote a book about it called Rigged.
I'm sure you talked to her.
dave rubin
I saw her right before I went up.
larry elder
Right, I interviewed her.
Citizens United did a documentary about it.
It's still online.
You can watch it for 40 minutes.
We talked about how Zuckerberg strategically went to election officials in places where there were a lot of Democratic votes, Cleveland, Detroit, Atlanta, Philadelphia, to gin up Democrat turnout.
Now the idea was that he was being a good government guy and some money was spent for Republican turnout as well, but like maybe 10% and 90% for Democrats.
So clearly he did it to tip the scale in favor of Democrats.
Rogan did not mention it.
In a two-hour interview, did not raise it.
dave rubin
That's interesting.
larry elder
How do you do that?
How do you not have Mark Zuckerberg in front of you and not bring up... It's like my talking to the Wright Brothers, not mentioning airplanes.
Or Henry Ford, not mentioning cars.
Or O.J.
Simpson, not mentioning he killed two people.
I took that in the dark.
dave rubin
At least took a ride in a Bronco.
larry elder
I took that in a dark place, didn't I?
But how do you not ask him about the $419 million of your own money that you spent On the election in 2020.
How do you not ask that?
He didn't ask it.
dave rubin
I'm gonna go back and watch it for sure.
The only thing that I can say slightly in Rogan's defense on this, which just as an interviewer, and you know this too, sometimes over the course of an interview you're doing something, and especially if it's live and you don't edit, that you want to get back to something and it just doesn't present itself.
That's not really like a full-throated excuse or something, because he should have hit on that.
But putting that aside, you know what's interesting about this is, remember, Jack Dorsey from Twitter Once the New York Times said that the Hunter Biden laptop was real, Jack Dorsey basically, who doesn't work at Twitter anymore, so when he was running it, he did all the bad shit.
Now he doesn't, pardon my French, he did all the bad stuff.
He said we shouldn't have done it.
But now that he doesn't run it anymore, he says we shouldn't have done it.
Years after the election result that Zuckerberg wanted, now he can kind of sort of admit there was government pressure to do something.
And it's like, how many times will we continue to play Monopoly with a bunch of people who own all the hotels on Park Avenue who we know are rigging the game?
That's the question.
Maybe that's my number one sort of public facing question.
larry elder
But again, getting back to Rogan, and I have respect for him.
I think he's a good interviewer and he's clearly very popular.
dave rubin
Did Rogan put you on when you were running?
larry elder
No.
Years ago he reached out to me to have me on the show.
We went back and forth, it never happened, but since then I've heard nothing.
I'm digressing.
When I just did a two hour interview with C-SPAN.
And somebody called up, a black guy, and he said, I watch your career.
Why is it you never go on this show or this show or this show?
Like I can just show up, knock on the window and say, hey, interview me.
And I mentioned Charlamagne Than God.
I was on a plane once and a guy named Bill Bellamy, fellow comedian, meaning you, fellow comedian, was sitting next to me and we started talking and after a while he realized that I wasn't an ogre.
And he said, you know, I have a very good friend, Charlemagne the God.
Have you ever done his show?
I said, no, I'd love to do his show.
He said, let me set that up.
We exchanged information and I've talked to him twice since then, Bill, and nothing's happened.
dave rubin
So your point is that this is not for lack of effort, right?
This is the criticism that guys like you and I... I'd be delighted to go on The View.
larry elder
I'd be delighted to go on Charlamagne Than God.
I'd be delighted to go on Al Sharpton's radio show.
Invite me!
I'm there!
dave rubin
You went on Marr once, but many, many years ago, right?
larry elder
I haven't been on Marr's show in years because I lit him up when he called himself a libertarian.
You can go on YouTube and look at it.
And I said, Bill, you're not a libertarian.
You support higher minimum wage.
You support an Obamacare-style healthcare system.
You don't mind raising taxes.
I said, the only thing you're a libertarian on is drugs.
You're not a libertarian.
You're a libertine or a liberal.
I don't know what you are, but you're not a libertarian.
dave rubin
He was furious.
He was not happy with that.
That was on Politically Incorrect or Real Time?
larry elder
It was on my radio show.
dave rubin
Oh, it was on your radio show?
Yeah.
larry elder
He came on to talk about something else, and I said, before we get started, can we talk about this?
And he was livid.
That's the last time I've been on his show.
dave rubin
I guess I can say one thing, which is that on, I think it's September 20th or so, 21st, something like that, I'm going to LA.
I have to go back to LA.
Maybe I'll have lunch with you.
That'll be the one Joyful thing that I do there.
But I'm doing Bill Maher's podcast, so it's two hours, just me and him.
And I've been very critical of him, in a respectful way.
I think he's just gotten to the wrong conclusion.
I think he's anti-woke, he's anti-the gender stuff, he's anti-the race stuff.
I think he's realizing stuff about COVID.
I want him to get to the end of the road, which is, man, you gotta stop voting for the Democrats.
You gotta stop pretending to be a progressive.
Maybe he can't, but I'm gonna try.
Two hours, I got two hours.
larry elder
That's one bridge too far, he's done.
dave rubin
I think you're probably right, but I'm going to try it and I'll do it respectfully.
Even for my frustrations with him now, I admire the guy.
I think he fought for what he believed was a good, sane liberalism in the face of this woke stuff.
It didn't work.
But now you got to get to the end, where the end is, hey, Larry Elder's not my enemy, and believe it or not, Ted Cruz and Rand Paul aren't my enemies either.
Sure, we have a different view on religion.
larry elder
And call out these Democrats who are denying elections.
Call out Al Gore.
Call out Hillary, who's been doing it for four years.
Call out Bennie Thompson, who denied the election in Ohio.
Be consistent.
That's all I want.
dave rubin
Did you see there was an episode a couple months back, we covered it on my show, where he's going on and on about how great things are in Florida.
And he's going, you know, DeSantis kept the state open and he's fighting the woke stuff and the race stuff and the police are funded, blah, blah, blah.
But then he has to couch it in, but I'm not moving to Florida!
And it's like, well, what do you mean?
So what is it that you're against?
Is it just because you really, really love abortion?
Which, by the way, we have a 15-week ban here.
That's three and a half months.
That's a moderate position.
Florida, which is now thought of as a far-right red state, has a very, very moderate... I would argue 15 weeks is far more moderate than 8-month abortions that California has, or 9-month abortions, or post-birth abortions and murder.
So it's like, that's what I want to get him to.
It's like, wait a minute, if you're for all of the stuff that a guy like Ron DeSantis is trying to get done, is this really because you're still for the welfare state and high taxes?
Have you not, have we not done that yet?
Have you not read the Thomas Sowell book?
Have you not listened to Larry Elder long enough?
And that's what I'm going to push him on.
larry elder
A few days ago, Biden is at a campaign stop.
dave rubin
Barely talked about him.
larry elder
I forget the state.
And he refers to Trump supporters as believers in semi-fascism.
That's the word he uses.
Semi-fascism.
dave rubin
Isn't it his justice department that's now investigating the former president?
Wouldn't that be a form of semi-fascism?
larry elder
The press secretary was asked about this, Jean-Karine Jean-Pierre.
dave rubin
Yes.
Oh, I missed her.
larry elder
And she danced around and danced around and danced around it, and they caught Biden going from the White House to the helicopter or something, and yelled at him and said, what did you mean by referring to Trump supporters as semi-fascist?
And he said, you know what I mean.
That was it.
Smiled and said, you know what I mean.
This is a guy who, as you know, the reason he was nominated is because, at the very least, they thought he would bring down the temperature.
He promised to do that in campaign speeches.
There's no reason why we can't all get along.
There's no blue America.
There's no red America.
There's just us.
And refer to Trump supporters as believers in semi-fascism.
dave rubin
Well I mean that doesn't surprise me.
There is literally nothing the guy could say either meaningfully, intentionally or unintentionally or flubbered or whatever that would shock me at this point.
I mean they will say anything.
They need it.
They need to believe that A huge percentage of this country, in essence half of the country, are fascists or evil or Nazis or whatever.
And it's like, man, maybe there's no one that I could possibly commiserate.
Maybe this is why we do all this so well together.
As I always describe you as a political commentator who happens to be black, your life is a direct example of it's all a lie.
When I go to events with you as I did a year ago, basically this week, and there's thousands of people in a parking lot on a 110 degree day cheering for you.
Now, a good percentage of them were white, but does that mean that they were white supremacists who were cheering on the black guy because they're so evolved that they figured out how?
It's all so incredibly stupid, but they have nothing else.
What does Biden have to say?
What could he say to the country that would make any sense and be honest and truthful?
larry elder
Well, he can't defend himself on crime.
He can't defend himself on gas prices.
He can't defend himself on inflation.
dave rubin
He can't put his underwear on.
larry elder
He can't defend himself on what he did with Afghanistan.
They didn't, in my opinion, encourage Putin to invade Ukraine.
dave rubin
Oh, is Ukraine happening still?
larry elder
It's still going.
dave rubin
Is that a thing?
larry elder
It's still going.
dave rubin
Yeah?
That's still a thing?
Whatever that is?
larry elder
There's a Ukraine counter-offensive right now as we speak.
The Russians have taken over probably the eastern part of the country, and we're still sending billions of dollars there for aid to them.
We're still doing the lion's share of that, not the rest of NATO.
dave rubin
I'm sure we know where that money's going though, right?
We must have, I assume somebody, there's an account.
Of course.
larry elder
Same as we knew where all the COVID money was at.
Yeah.
Same guys doing that.
dave rubin
I mean, I didn't think of Ukraine once during this month, but wait, can we just back up for a second on COVID just real quick?
So there's some states doing some something or cities.
Now there's just some something.
larry elder
Yeah.
Philadelphia, I believe it is, has reimposed the mask mandate.
What's interesting about that is in California a few weeks ago, a few months ago, one of the counties, Alameda, reimposed the mask mandate.
The adjacent counties that are demographically identical did not, which gave us an ideal time to look at this and find out whether or not it's going to make any difference.
It made no difference whatsoever.
None.
But Philadelphia is reimposing a mask mandate.
Meanwhile, a third of the Philadelphia kids, K-12, cannot read at proficiency levels, and 20% cannot do math at proficiency levels.
But they'll be wearing a mask.
dave rubin
But they'll be wearing a mask.
That's pretty good.
larry elder
California, the governor and the state have banned gasoline-powered cars effective 2035.
And within days of announcing the ban, They urged people with electric cars not to charge them up during primetime hours because of the stress on the electric grill, on the energy grid.
dave rubin
On the grid, on the grid.
Wow, he is really evil.
larry elder
So, banning, an edict to ban cars, gas cars by 2035, within days, another edict to not charge your cars up during certain hours because of the stress on the grid.
I kid you, you can't make it up.
dave rubin
I mean this with love and respect.
larry elder
You can't make it up!
unidentified
You, Prager, Carolla.
dave rubin
Do I know anyone else that's sane in Cali?
I must know somebody.
larry elder
Everybody else is gone.
You're gone.
Shapiro's gone.
dave rubin
Elon Musk is gone.
Everyone's gone.
The fact that that man, Gavin Newsom, has any control over anyone's life, who has systematically destroyed San Francisco as mayor, destroyed California.
He wants to be president, obviously.
Like he wants to push Biden out.
It's just all so obvious.
The script is right in front of us.
But wait a minute.
Ban gas cars by 2035.
larry elder
Ban the sale of new gas cars by 2035.
The sale of new gas cars by 2035.
dave rubin
As if that were God, these virtue signaling buffoons.
And now all the Tesla people of LA.
and Beverly Hills, yeah, as if they're going to not charge their cars when they want to, you know what I mean?
Of course not.
These are the same people who, you know, they're for defunding the police, but not the Beverly Hills police when the mob starts getting to us.
larry elder
And on my show, on my Epoch Times show, notice I got that in, Epoch Times show, E-P-O-C-H Times show, I've interviewed an engineer named Dan, named Ron Stein many times.
And he's talked about how these cars are built through fossil-fueled power.
The ingredients in them, lithium most notably, has to be mined in places like China and Chile, which destroys the planet.
And he says the impact of electric cars is worse on the environment than the impact of gasoline-powered cars.
Tucker Carlson did maybe a 10-minute thing on this just the other day, where he outlined all of the stuff that it takes to make an electric car, and what it does to the environment, and how little effect it'll have on the climate.
And it's the first time I've ever heard anybody do it really in prime time.
And it was just masterfully done.
dave rubin
Wow.
And Tucker still has a show.
They didn't try to lynch him or axe him or get all the advertisers to disappear.
larry elder
And Ron Stein, the engineer I mentioned, believes that it is immoral for people to drive an electric car for all those reasons I mentioned.
Not least of which is where they're doing all this mining are places where they use a slave laborer.
And nobody seems to care.
So the pollution takes place.
It's not here in California.
It takes place elsewhere.
dave rubin
Larry, there's a lot of money in China.
And it would be good if the NBA could get that money, you know?
larry elder
Brittany Griner, speaking of that, remains.
dave rubin
Is she out?
larry elder
No, she's not.
She's still behind bars.
She received, I think, nine years.
She pled guilty.
She apologized and said she inadvertently packed some, like a vape thing with THC in it.
I'm not even sure what it is.
And her husband, her wife, says that she would be out if it had been LeBron James.
So it wasn't really the Race cards since LeBron James is black, but it's a sex card.
dave rubin
I mean, it really is a crazy story.
Like there is a famous, you know, WNBA, whatever.
There's a level of fame there.
We can make all the jokes.
larry elder
Don't slam a WNBA.
Cause I did.
I got a letter from a, from a campaign donor whose daughter works with the league.
And she was angry that I had kind of dismissed the, uh, The League, and I said I wasn't dismissing The League, I just said I don't watch it.
dave rubin
I don't mean to dismiss The League.
When I hit 50 and I'm retiring from Rubin Report, I'm throwing on a wig and I'm going to be in the WNBA, so I'm not dismissing that.
But if you really think about this story, so she has a vape pen or something, she's in Russia.
And by the way, she had left Russia.
larry elder
From the time she left to the time she came back, the State Department put out a statement and said, don't go.
Right.
For fearing that maybe people like her would be nabbed for political purposes and Russia would use it because of Ukraine.
So she went anyway.
unidentified
Yeah.
larry elder
And she brought the stuff.
And apparently, well, she did plead guilty and her lawyer wrote a letter of apology.
So she did apparently break the law.
What Biden has done, however, after initially refusing to do it, is offer her In exchange for a guy we have in custody, a Russian guy, who tried to kill Americans, who was an arms dealer.
And a lot of the foreign policy people that I watch on Fox say this is an outrageous trade, that you have a trade like for like, and she, A, violated the law, she wasn't a political prisoner, but B, what we're giving up is too much.
And so, so far, nothing's happened.
dave rubin
It's interesting because it's a huge catch-22.
To me, you get your citizen back, but I get why that it's not as simple as that, right?
Of course, like you do that and then you encourage them to kidnap people, right?
It's why you don't negotiate with terrorists.
It's because if you have this huge asset that it sounds like we have and she's not of national security interest, but she is a citizen of the United States, that matters.
To do an asymmetrical trade sort of doesn't make sense, but you do want to get your citizens back.
So let's put aside the politics.
larry elder
And by the way, she's not the only one that they have.
They have other citizens, other Americans who have been in captive longer.
dave rubin
What's interesting though to me is that she is a black lesbian public person.
So this is very high.
larry elder
But I had never heard of her until this happened.
I bet you hadn't either.
dave rubin
No, I hadn't.
larry elder
And that's one of the problems.
When they made her a call celeb, it increased her value as a token for the Russians.
dave rubin
So okay, so you have a black lesbian, let's just put it that way.
That's a fact.
You have a black lesbian.
This is what the hierarchy of the Oppression Olympics puts at the pinnacle of this thing, in essence, is a black lesbian, right?
She's oppressed by her skin color, she's expressed by her gender.
larry elder
And she did not stand for the national anthem during WNBA games.
dave rubin
Oh lordy, lordy, she's got the whole package.
You would think that everyone would be fighting to free her, that the left would be going bananas, that Biden would be bending over backwards to do it because this is the person he should care about the most.
But I guess that's just not the case and they're sort of all BS artists.
larry elder
I bet you she would love to hear the national anthem right now.
dave rubin
I mean, how crazy, it really does show you how weak the United States is.
I'm pretty sure you can say it plainly, which is that if Donald Trump was president, Brittany Griner would be back already.
He would have done something, some sort of deal, or a threat, or they wouldn't have done it.
larry elder
We would not have had the disastrous pullout of Afghanistan, which inspired Putin to do what he did, so this kind of thing wouldn't have happened.
It's all connected.
I can't remember where the Pauli-Pelosi situation was when you left.
Paul Pelosi, he got busted for DUI.
dave rubin
Yeah, he got busted for DUI.
That happened right before I left.
larry elder
Right.
What was the status?
dave rubin
Nothing.
I think there was like a mugshot of him and I think that was it.
Or he had never been charged, maybe?
larry elder
Well, okay.
He was since charged, but the video was not released.
Now, over the years, I've watched a lot of people get busted, famous people get busted.
The manager of Oakland Athletics.
dave rubin
Tony La Russa?
larry elder
Yeah, he got busted and they put out the video of him mumbling and stumbling.
And I've seen other celebrities get busted and they put out the video.
But we never saw the Paulette Pelosi video until after the plea deal.
And there has been a plea deal.
And the deal basically is he gets some community service, five days in jail, which are suspended because of something or other.
Slap on the wrist.
dave rubin
He does have to live the rest of his life with Nancy Pelosi, which is a certain type of punishment.
larry elder
We also found out, though, that when he got busted, he's fumbling, he won't take a breathalyzer.
He produces a card that you get if you donate $100,000 or more to the police and flashed it.
And it appeared to be, not a bribe, but he also said, I'm a high-profile person.
He said that.
And tried to get a pass, and they didn't give him a pass.
The cops didn't.
But the DA claimed that she did it by the book.
But a lot of us, meaning on our side, believe she did not do it by the book.
And that the video was not released the way it often is on other people.
dave rubin
Larry, has there been a theme of double standards?
Has there been a theme of they can do it, and they'll always do it, and they'll always get away with it, and we do have to point it out.
It's important to point it out, and note it, and mock it, and the rest of it, as I said earlier, but it won't stop it.
So if you have that side doing that, that chaos, and that endless lie, this nonsensical endless lie that's always existing here, to me, you can be part of it at some level, but you gotta extricate yourself, and you gotta go do other things.
Again, that really is, it's where I've been at for a long time, By the way, it wasn't a minor fender bender.
larry elder
There was a substantial amount of damage.
Pelosi could have killed somebody, and the person whose car he struck, on the video, he's speaking Spanish.
I have no idea what he's saying, and I don't know whether he's in the country even legally.
My suspicion is, I could be wrong, that he was an illegal alien, and that's one of the reasons why Pauli Pelosi was able to get off so easily.
This had been you, let's say, he ran into.
And it was his fault.
I think you would have made a big stink out of it.
What's an illegal alien going to say?
dave rubin
Right.
unidentified
Interesting.
larry elder
But again, I'm not sure whether the guy was an illegal alien.
That hasn't been determined one way or the other yet.
dave rubin
Right.
Well, you would think that'll break at some point, right?
I mean, they'll do their darndest to hide it if he's illegal.
larry elder
Um, first lady, Dr. Jill Biden.
dave rubin
Yes, she's still a doctor performing those surgeries.
larry elder
Tested positive for COVID-19 again.
dave rubin
She's got it too.
larry elder
Yeah.
dave rubin
Despite being a doctor.
larry elder
Despite being a doctor.
dave rubin
Jeez.
Are they still like, they're still trying to get everybody vaxxed and all of this stuff.
It's like, they still, so Fauci's on his way out.
That's great.
larry elder
Speaking of Fauci, Joe Rogan, also getting back to him for a second, he had a guest on, I'll think of him in a minute, and they were talking about COVID shutting everything down and how the organization CDC mandated this, that, and the other.
And now we're finding out that the lockdown, bad idea.
Finding out that regular immunity, natural immunity is stronger.
Finding out that the vaccines for young people were probably pointless because young people don't get it.
And Rogan said, when asked, oh he's talking to Aaron Rodgers, the quarterback of the Packers.
And Roger says, what's the answer?
And Rogan said, vote Republican.
dave rubin
Oh, he did.
So he's really getting there.
So his red his red pilling has been really nice because it's taken him a while.
Let's not forget this.
This guy was a you know, he was very conflicted about his views, I think, in a lot of ways.
And everyone is to some extent when you're waking up, because the guy was a Bernie supporter who then left California for tax purposes.
So it's like you got to piece these things together, man.
You can say I'm a nice Bernie supporter, socialist, and I like all this stuff.
larry elder
But I don't want to pay taxes.
dave rubin
But I don't want to pay taxes, so I'm moving to Texas.
So his, you know, this is sort of similar to right before I left, he said that he was going to vote for DeSantis.
So that's great, because he's got real influence.
And if you think about it, there's not a lot of people that could move politically, right?
You got your people that are hardcore Republicans, let's say, and hardcore Democrats.
I think the sliver of people that could move are the disaffected libs.
It is the Bill Maher, Rogan-esque.
It's those libs that are just like a couple years maybe behind where I was.
Those are the ones that can still be shifted, let's say.
larry elder
So that's great to hear.
Speaking of Rodgers, he was very critical of the NFL.
And he called him stooges for mandating all of this, all these rules and regulations.
Good.
Djokovic, Novak Djokovic, is not going to be playing in this year's U.S.
Open because he refuses to get vaccinated.
dave rubin
They're still doing that?
larry elder
They're still doing that.
Now, you can go and watch the U.S.
Open not being vaccinated, and if you're born in America and have not been vaccinated, you can play.
But because he is a foreigner and because the CDC requires anybody coming in from out of the country to be vaccinated, he cannot play in the U.S.
Open.
dave rubin
Is that right?
That's still a thing?
So right now, if you were to come to the United States on vacation, you have to be vaccinated?
larry elder
I think so.
I think so.
dave rubin
The vaccine which will stop and or prevent the spread of COVID until it doesn't.
larry elder
We're on tennis.
Serena Williams has announced this in her last tournament, U.S.
Open.
She played her first round, she won, and the stadium was packed.
Second round, she won, I think it was yesterday or the day before, and the stadium's packed.
And she is now getting the kind of Treatment that I recall, wasn't John McEnroe, but another major player.
dave rubin
Oh, Connors, B.B.
Connors.
Yeah, I remember that, 92.
larry elder
Aaron Crickstein, remember that?
unidentified
Yeah.
larry elder
And he went pretty deep into the thing.
dave rubin
Yeah, I think that was 92 if I'm not mistaken.
larry elder
39 years old.
unidentified
Yeah.
larry elder
She's older than he was.
dave rubin
Oh, is that right?
larry elder
Yeah, she's 41, I think.
Yeah.
And she's getting the same kind of reaction.
dave rubin
Oh, that's nice.
larry elder
People are going nuts.
dave rubin
That's nice.
You know, what's funny about her is you've seen the interview with her and Letterman about men's and women's tennis.
There's an interview, it's from about, I don't know, maybe eight years ago, where she's on Letterman and he's asking her, you know, could you beat a guy?
Could you beat, you know, Federer or one of these guys?
And she's like, men's and women's tennis aren't even the same sport.
They would crush me.
It wouldn't last 10 seconds.
larry elder
Yeah, I think she said the top, the hundredth guy, hundredth men could beat the best woman.
Right.
dave rubin
So I guess she's a misogynist.
larry elder
Nancy Pelosi announced her desire to go to Taiwan.
There is a fear right now that China is going to invade Taiwan.
China has always had a one-China policy and believes Taiwan is part of China.
But Nancy Pelosi announced her intention to go to Taiwan.
And some members of the White House apparently did not want her to go, but she went anyway.
And there was some controversy before she went, and the feeling was, once you say you're going to go, just because China, and China puts out some statement, they were very angry about it, once you say you're going to go, you can't let China dictate who goes and who doesn't go because we've had
Government officials going to China going to Taiwan for years, right? So Pelosi went and
Came back and now a couple of Republicans are going but there's a real fear right now that China is about ready
this close to invading Taiwan I
dave rubin
Mean that's That's like world-altering stuff people
I don't think people fully understand the ramifications.
larry elder
And if China does invade Taiwan, what should we do, if anything?
That's my question to you.
dave rubin
I think this is mostly where my libertarian side says we can't do much.
We can turn some screws on some economic stuff.
I'm not a big tariff guy.
We can't get into a military confrontation halfway across the world.
Even though I absolutely believe that Taiwan is entitled to being a sovereign nation.
I don't know, what do you think?
With this buffoon as president and Nancy Pelosi and the rest of these clowns, it's like, we don't have the moral authority, nor the sort of technical capability to lead.
larry elder
The bottom line is, if China invades Taiwan, we're not going to do anything.
What are we going to do?
Go to war?
Even though there's a treaty that obligates us to do it, we're not going to do that.
So it almost doesn't matter what I think ought to happen.
We're not going to do it.
But I do want to comment on what you said about your libertarian instincts.
There isn't any libertarian kind of foreign policy that I know of.
A lot of people think libertarians all believe that we ought never intervene in anything.
dave rubin
Like full isolation.
larry elder
I don't believe that there's a libertarian doctrine regarding foreign policy that I can determine.
Although I know a lot of people feel that way.
dave rubin
Right.
larry elder
Ron Paul was a libertarian and didn't want to intervene in almost anything, and so therefore people assume that every libertarian feels that way.
They don't.
I'm not quite sure what the libertarian worldview is.
I know the libertarian worldview is regarding domestic policy, which is government should be small and unobtrusive, and it would get off my back.
dave rubin
I know the main libertarian policy is that if you get ten libertarians around a table, you're going to argue about driver's licenses for about seven hours.
That's the main thing.
larry elder
A growing number of people believe now that the likelihood of taking back both the House and the Senate is not good.
There are at least four Senate races.
dave rubin
Is not good?
larry elder
Is not good.
House still good.
dave rubin
Yeah.
larry elder
But there are four Senate races where the Republican candidate is losing.
Arizona's one of them.
dave rubin
So Blake Masters is losing to Gifford's husband, Mark whatever his name is.
larry elder
Ohio.
dave rubin
So that's JD.
larry elder
Not going well.
Pennsylvania, that's Oz.
And Georgia, Herschel Walker.
They're all underwater right now.
Not underwater, but beyond the margin of error.
And there's a chance that all four could lose.
And Mitch McConnell has now said that we should change our expectations.
He didn't say it quite that way.
And he said it's because of candidate quality.
Indicate, suggesting that these candidates, I think all of them have been backed by Donald Trump.
dave rubin
That's a Trump thing, that's right.
So that's a McConnell going after Trump thing.
larry elder
It looks like it.
dave rubin
Well McConnell in a weird way might want them all to lose because if they all won, those are all Trump back candidates.
I happen, Blake I know, I consider him a friend.
He's a good guy.
He would join me on tour just like you did.
He would be a great senator, and he's a good human being.
I've interviewed J.D.
Oz, it's a little hard to tell what he really is.
And Hershel Walker, I don't know personally, but seems like a good guy.
But you could see why McConnell, McConnell's the ultimate swamp creature, right?
So why would he want Trump backhanded?
It's that he can't control.
So you could sort of see that.
But does it feel a little bit like, hearing you say that, it sounds a little bit like a media Make-believe story, like all the Trump people are going to lose and then everyone will be caught with their pants down in two months.
larry elder
It's this.
It's the media happy to watch the Trump people win primaries, but then lose the general.
And that seems to be the kind of thing that people on the left are happy about.
I'm not quite sure what Mitchell's thing is.
I think what Mitchell is doing is saying, don't blame me if we don't take back the Senate.
dave rubin
Right.
Interesting.
I mean, look, it's September 1st.
The election is still, you know, two months and a week away, basically.
So anything can happen.
I wouldn't get too worried about that.
But generally, is the feeling still that the House will be taken back?
larry elder
Yeah.
Yeah.
dave rubin
Although Sarah Palin lost her race.
larry elder
What do you feel like the general temperature of the country is right now?
She's gonna run again in November for the full seat, but she lost the seat that would be held
from now until November, but she's running again in November, but she didn't lose.
dave rubin
What do you, the general I asked you at the beginning when you told me about the Trump thing,
what do you feel like the general temperature of the country is right now?
Does it feel crazier than it felt sort of a month and a half ago?
larry elder
No.
dave rubin
You know, it's hard to imagine that things ever get, that the pressure release ever valves off so that the temperature goes down.
But does it seem, or does it seem roughly the same?
larry elder
Well, here's my thing.
When people were saying, it's a slam dunk, we're going to take back the Senate and the House, I never felt that way.
And the reason I never felt that way is because anything that Joe Biden does, if he expels gas in the pantry, oh, it smelled like perfume.
So he signs this bill, this skinny bill-back-better bill.
He does the student debt thing.
And these are called Democrat victories by the media.
One of my friends is a guy named Tim Groseclose.
He's a professor at George Mason University.
Used to be at UCLA.
He wrote a book called Left Turns.
We've talked about this before.
And he tried to quantify the effect the left-wing media has on votes.
And based on some experimentation, his conclusion is that left-wing media gives the Democrat 10 points out of the gate.
And so anything that happens between now and the election time that is perceived at all
beneficial for Joe Biden, as when there was a 0% inflation increase in July,
as the gas prices are coming down a little bit, they're gonna call this, his plans are working.
dave rubin
They dropped 60%, it's like, well, but they had gone up 215% before that.
But I wrote about this in my last book, I mean, this is a little bit like Plato's The Cave.
If you just exist in the cave, and that's all the information that you have,
and that's what a lot of people have, and that still is our job, is to keep breaking
the ice that exists around people, that all of the nonsense that they have been lied to
It's why that video that you and I did way back when, when you smacked me senseless, when I didn't even know, you know, we didn't know each other personally at that point.
It's why that video has now been seen probably, it might be 50 million times the amount of ways it's been cut, and people saw me breaking out of the ice, and that's what we got to keep doing.
larry elder
There is a video of Governor Gavin Newsom at the White House.
This is when Biden was out of the country.
dave rubin
Yes, I saw that.
That was right before I left.
larry elder
And the speculation is, as you pointed out, that Newsom may run for office.
And I want to talk to you a little bit about that, because let me tell you what I think is going to happen.
The Democrats are stuck with Kamala Harris.
I mean, stuck with her.
The reason she was chosen, because she clicked all the boxes, she tried to run for president.
And the scuttlebutt is that her numbers are so bad, they're under Joe Biden's, that they have to dropkick her.
Are you kidding me?
Democrats are the most loyal part of, blacks are the most loyal part of the Democratic base, and black females are the most loyal part of that.
And I read a lot of black media, publications like The Griot, and when Kamala Harris was mocked for her cackle, and for her doing nothing about determining the root causes of illegal immigration, they reacted with, that was trivial, the reason they're laughing at her is because she's a black female, and Joe Biden's giving her crappy jobs, and how dare they supplant her with a man, especially a white man.
And so my feeling is that if Kamala Harris wants the job, and she does, if they dropkick her, black females will be livid, and they are important in the Alabama, Georgia, and South Carolina primaries.
Almost half of the Democrat voters in those primaries are blacks.
dave rubin
You think they would be?
larry elder
They will be so angry, they will sit home.
They won't vote Republican, but they'll sit home, which will ensure the defeat of the Democrat nominee in 2024, no matter who we put up against him or her.
So they're stuck with her.
dave rubin
It's a good example of why making a deal with the devil rarely works out, because they made a deal with the devil with her, right?
You take this mentally compromised, completely swamp-ridden, 47-year politician in Biden, who everyone knows is nothing of what he used to be.
You throw in the diversity check with her, because that's all she was.
I don't mean that because I care about race or gender, but it's simply the truth.
She was polling at zero.
You know this, Larry.
She was polling at zero in her own party when she dropped out of the race, right?
larry elder
She dropped out before the first contest.
dave rubin
Yeah.
What'd she do?
She did one or two debates where the media loved her, but remember when Tulsi really smacked her down?
larry elder
She never recovered from that.
dave rubin
No, so she has no real support, but you make a deal with the devil.
The deal with the devil that the Democrats made is, oh, we can And it's like, who is this?
I'm not totally sure.
Is it Clinton's dumb house still, or is it Obama or whatever?
But the deal was basically, we're gonna have this mentally compromised
President Joe Biden that will appear to be a moderate, but will usher in all the lunacy.
Then we're gonna bring in this black woman that if you criticize her,
you're gonna be considered a racist or a misogynist.
And then I don't think they thought he was gonna break down this quickly.
I think that's the fly in the ointment.
larry elder
I don't know, I don't think they care.
They wanted him to go across the finish line to make sure that Trump did not win.
After that, we'll figure it out.
dave rubin
So what do you think they're going to do?
larry elder
They're going to run Kamala Harris.
They have no choice.
dave rubin
So you think Biden, I'm still, I still, two years into this thing, I still would be shocked.
larry elder
Biden is not going to make it to Thursday.
Yeah.
The question is what happens in 2024?
And the answer is they are stuck with Kamala Harris.
They cannot get rid of her.
They will, if they try to do so, it will be perceived as both sexist and racist and black female voters will simply stay home and they can't afford it.
dave rubin
So you run Kamala Harris and Gavin Newsom, the ticket from hell.
larry elder
Well, I'm not sure about Gavin Newsom.
Two people from California, two left-wing people from California, I don't think that's going to work.
But at the top of the ticket will be Kamala Harris if Joe Biden does not make it to 2024, and I don't see how he can.
unidentified
Right.
dave rubin
Did anything else happen in terms of Republicans announcing they were running for president?
Has anyone announced?
larry elder
No, no, no.
The scuttlebutt was that Trump would announce.
dave rubin
Right, so I guess that just threw everything.
larry elder
Then the Mar-a-Lago raid happened.
I'm not saying he was going to, I'm just saying that raid happened.
And so now the feeling is Trump will probably wait until the midterms are over before he announces, but who knows.
dave rubin
You know I just remembered the last time I saw you was not in California.
larry elder
Was it Mar-a-Lago?
dave rubin
I saw you at Mar-a-Lago for the 2000 Mules premiere.
Were you there when the guy fell in the pool?
It's pretty great.
larry elder
I heard about it.
dave rubin
A guy just having a drink standing on the side of the massive pool.
There's thousands of people there out in tuxedos.
Guy just takes a spill into the pool pretty soon.
larry elder
Yeah, he might have been a plant.
A bunch of companies are talking about hiring freezes.
Amazon, Apple, Ford, JP Morgan, Lyft, Microsoft, Meta, which is Facebook, Netflix, StubHub, Substack, Tesla, Twitter, Wayfair, all announcing hiring freezes.
dave rubin
Wow.
Let me say something about Substack real quick.
You know about Substack, right?
unidentified
I don't.
dave rubin
So, Substack is where a lot of independent writers are now going because you can basically have your own paywall.
Where Locals does video, Substack does written word, so a lot of people have gone there.
As of this morning, since I'm in the local studios, I can say this, we now have all the functionality of Substack on local.
So you can fully do all of your articles there and everything else.
So we're really going all in on this.
That's why I'm very proud to be here in the studio that we created and everything else.
Well, that doesn't surprise me.
Wait, so is the economy still not going great?
larry elder
Is that what you're telling me?
dave rubin
Still not going great.
larry elder
Still pretty much the number one issue.
While we're being self-serving, my documentary Uncle Tom 2 has come out.
dave rubin
Yes.
Wait, it came out in August, right?
larry elder
It came out August 26th.
Yeah.
dave rubin
Oh, just a couple days ago.
Congratulations.
larry elder
Thank you.
And it's available on UncleTom.com.
By the way, we're letting people watch the first one for free on UncleTom.com because The first one, as you know, when you do a documentary, any kind of movie in Hollywood, if you do three times its cost, that's considered to be a hit.
Uncle Tom generated ten times its cost.
Has a higher IMDB rating than any of the ones that was nominated for Best Documentary in 2024.
dave rubin
You don't say!
larry elder
I don't say.
IMDB rating of 8.4 right now as we speak.
Uncle Tom won.
And to give you some perspective, those who aren't familiar with IMDb ratings, Casablanca has 8.5, which is one of America's most beloved movies, so it really has done well.
And right now, there are about 29, 30 reviews of Uncle Tom 2 on IMDb, and it's got a 9.9 rating.
The reviews have been off the chart, and I've had premieres in Phoenix and in Dallas, one in LA, and people are just going crazy.
It's Godfather 2.
It's better than the first one.
The first one was really good.
dave rubin
Oh, I'm thrilled to hear that and obviously I'll promote the hell out of it.
Good for you.
And that's what we have to do, right?
That's not just exposing the hypocrisy.
That's then building something new.
Here's a new way of looking at this stuff.
By the way, speaking of movies, I did watch one.
Well, I watched a bunch of old movies, you know, while doing cardio or whatever.
But I did watch Top Gun.
larry elder
I was going to tell you about that.
Top Gun is now the seventh or eighth highest grossing movie ever.
dave rubin
Is that right?
larry elder
Yes.
dave rubin
I loved it.
Did you see it?
larry elder
Yes.
dave rubin
It was so refreshing, and it didn't hate America, and there was no social justice, and it was about accomplishing something and, you know, melding the past with the future and the present.
And Tom Cruise, I don't know what the hell they're injecting him with, but the guy looks pretty freaking good.
He's like 87 years old.
larry elder
Who was his love interest in the first one?
dave rubin
What's her name?
Gene Treblehorn.
larry elder
No, McGinnis.
dave rubin
Oh, Kelly McGinnis, sorry, yeah.
larry elder
Okay, she was asked, Why you weren't invited to do this one?
dave rubin
Oh, I can see the answer already.
larry elder
And she said, have you seen how I look?
dave rubin
Because my guess is she's 70 or something and whatever, that's all right.
larry elder
Whatever age she is, same age as Cruz.
dave rubin
Right, but it wouldn't have worked.
larry elder
She said, have you seen me?
dave rubin
That's funny.
unidentified
Wow.
dave rubin
It was so refreshing to see a movie that was actually, it's not even that it was pro-America.
It just was, it just was real and it like accomplishment.
It had heart.
It had, I liked it more than the first one.
Yeah, so did I. I really liked it.
larry elder
I hadn't seen the first one until I saw the second one.
Oh, interesting.
I saw the first one right before I saw the second one.
A few days before.
And I went, eh, it's okay.
dave rubin
I didn't love the first one the way everyone did.
But isn't that interesting, like the state of Hollywood, that when something is good, it's shocking to you at this point?
If you go to a new movie, or you hear new music, and you go, it's actually good, that there's a shock level there.
Where back in the day, It's like when either one of us were growing up, right?
It's like when you were growing up in the 70s, I'm growing up in the 80s.
It's like every day there was something new that was great.
A new sitcom, a new album.
larry elder
I grew up in the 60s.
Thank you.
dave rubin
Black don't crack.
larry elder
I appreciate that.
dave rubin
But you know what I mean?
larry elder
Born in the 50s.
dave rubin
Man, the 60s?
So in the 60s, every day there was another amazing song that was hitting number one on the charts.
Almost every day, right?
Where now it's like anything that's new that's good, you're kind of shocked.
You know, when you turn, you watch, I shut off Top Gun and I was like, wow, I wasn't angry.
It actually didn't insult me.
I felt it was entertaining, like pretty good.
larry elder
On the Hollywood front, Jon Stewart.
dave rubin
He's back?
larry elder
Well, he's back in the news.
There was a bill to provide money for members of our armed services who were exposed to toxic substances.
dave rubin
He's been fighting for this for a long time.
larry elder
Right, for a long time.
And it's been held up, held up, held up.
And there is video of him confronting a white, doesn't matter what his race is, a conservative Oh, Jack Posobiec.
dave rubin
Yeah, I know Jack.
larry elder
And for some reason, Posobiec came to whatever this event was that Stewart was doing outside where he talked about this bill, and they started yelling at each other.
And from what I could tell, both of them supported the bill.
Both of them supported paying off, paying armed services for being exposed to toxic substances.
But Stuart and he just went at it.
And my feeling is that what Prosobiec was basically saying is legislation often is saddled with a bunch of nonsense and a stripped down bill both sides would sign up on.
And ultimately there was a stripped down bill that both sides did come to agreement on and Joe Biden signed it.
But for whatever reason they were yelling at each other.
dave rubin
Over this.
I guess I would need a little more.
I take it it caught fire if Jon Stewart's yelling at somebody because he doesn't yell that often.
larry elder
He was interviewed and he talked about how Congress is dragging its feet and these people are dying and I didn't know that much about the bill.
All I do know about Congress, I know how it works, and oftentimes stuff is voted down because the other side puts on riders and other stuff so it's not a clean bill.
And so it got voted down because it wasn't a clean bill.
Both sides perceived the other side to be playing games.
But I knew ultimately it would pass.
Ultimately it did.
So I'm not quite sure why Jon Stewart felt the need to yell and scream at this guy because of this.
dave rubin
I mean, look, the bigger issue, since I don't know all the specifics on that, the bigger issue is they got to stop tacking on all of this other nonsense to all these bills.
Imagine if we just had clean bills.
Hey, this is a clean water bill.
This is what it's going to be.
It's not also about giving paraplegic lesbians the right to play volleyball on the moon.
Which that's coming, I would imagine.
larry elder
Are you following monkey pox?
dave rubin
Oh, well, does everyone here have monkey pox?
Do you got the pox?
larry elder
Well, California has declared a state of emergency over the monkey pox outbreak.
It turns out, from what I've read, 98% of those who get monkey pox are men having sex with men.
They developed a vaccine for it just like that, though.
There's now a vaccine available for it.
dave rubin
Like a vaccine vaccine or a vaccine like a COVID vaccine?
larry elder
Like a COVID vaccine.
dave rubin
Oh, so not something that works?
larry elder
I have no idea.
I just know it was developed real fast.
All of a sudden, monkeypox comes out and suddenly there's a vaccine, which kind of surprised me.
dave rubin
I believe that the last thing I said to my crew before we went off the grid was, uh, when I'm gone, guys, uh, no having sex with random strangers in alleyways.
And that still stands.
It's like, if you don't want monkey pox, don't bang a monkey and don't have sex with a whole bunch of strangers.
larry elder
But they did not ban any kind of outdoor gatherings among gays.
And so there is some feeling that the way they're dealing with this outbreak is different than the way they're dealing with other outbreaks.
dave rubin
Oh, because of the political nature?
Sure, well you know I had, well David Horowitz who of course you know, I had David Horowitz on years ago and he said something really fascinating to me that I think stands to your point on monkey pox.
He said that when he was in New York City in the 80's and he was just starting to become a conservative, so you know this is a lefty, a communist, he's now He's now starting to become a Republican, or whatever you want to call it, that the AIDS crisis is breaking out.
And they knew where the AIDS crisis was spreading.
They knew it was happening at these bathhouses, right?
These guys, I mean, this is also why you want equality.
If you have people that can only meet in underground bars and clubs and whatever, then it's going to breed a certain amount of promiscuity and whatever.
But he said that the Republicans in New York City, because they knew that it was happening at these gay bathhouses, AIDS, that's where it was spreading like crazy.
The Republicans wanted to close down the bathhouses.
He said that it was the Democrats that wouldn't let it because they said you're homophobes.
So the Democrats actually, and this is exactly what you're talking about with monkey pox, it's the same thing.
In the interest of, oh, behavior doesn't matter and everyone can live however they want and blah, blah, blah, you actually end up killing the people that you're purporting to protect.
So I'm not surprised by that at all.
larry elder
Are you following the Kerry Lake gubernatorial race in Arizona?
dave rubin
Yeah, well, I've had Carrie on the show.
I like her a lot.
I hope she wins.
larry elder
I was just in Phoenix, and I was standing at a sign for her, and she had a picture of Trump next to her, and was called Trump-backed candidate.
My understanding from talking to people in Phoenix is that many of the signs have been sabotaged, have been vandalized, because she's referred to herself as a Trump-backed candidate.
As you know, she was a anchor, very popular for years in Phoenix and got out of the business because she felt it was just too one-sided.
She couldn't do it anymore.
dave rubin
Interesting.
So, well, she is a Trump backhanded for sure, right?
He has officially endorsed her.
larry elder
So did my PAC, Elder for America.
We endorsed her too.
dave rubin
Good, good, good.
By the way, Larry Elder.
I feel like your political future is not over.
You just have that glow.
Well, you know, when women get pregnant, there's a glow.
You've got the glow.
larry elder
Well, I'm not pregnant, I tell you that.
But I am considering doing something down the road.
I'm not ready to make any kind of announcement, but I am thinking about maybe running for a higher office.
What's higher than Governor of California?
unidentified
Head of the penitentiary in California.
dave rubin
I gotcha, I gotcha.
larry elder
I wanted to ask you about, for some reason, this is your staff, not me, because I didn't even know about this guy.
Kim Kardashian and Pete Davidson have officially called it quits.
dave rubin
Could not care less.
And whoever put that in the rundown is funny.
I could not care less.
larry elder
I had to look to see who he was.
He was a long time SNL guy.
unidentified
He was an SNL guy.
dave rubin
He smokes a lot of pot or something.
Or he looks like he smokes pot.
larry elder
But I did a wiki on him.
His father was killed 9-11.
His father was a firefighter.
Charging up the stairs.
Was killed.
And he was about 8 years old or so.
And he says he's never been quite the same.
But I had no idea that they were together for 9 months.
Which for California is kind of an old marriage.
And they've now broken up.
unidentified
Wow.
dave rubin
So that was what you held.
You held that one to the end.
Riveting, riveting.
larry elder
But by the way, the Kardashians have said something about his equipment, the size of his equipment.
For some reason that's been in the news.
I don't know.
I asked my girlfriend about it.
She knew about it.
dave rubin
Good or not good?
larry elder
Depends.
We are still sending money to Ukraine.
Another 5.5 billion.
dave rubin
Nonsense.
Absolute nonsense.
Absolute nonsense.
I interviewed Rand Paul right before I went off the grid, a couple days before.
larry elder
Rand Paul?
dave rubin
Rand Paul.
And all he said was, hey, we just want some... He's like, I'm not voting for it, but, you know, could we at least get some numbers on this thing?
Can anyone break it down?
What is this money going to?
Is there any tracking of any of it?
They don't track any of it.
It's a giant slush fund.
larry elder
Well, right before the invasion, there were a bunch of articles in the New York Times about how corrupt Ukraine is, and how they have all these oligarchs who spend all the money.
Then all of a sudden, it was a great country with this wonderful democracy, and we have to get behind them 100%.
dave rubin
Yeah, and we're still sending our celebrities there to take pictures with what's-his-name.
larry elder
We talked earlier about Tulsi Gabbard.
What do you think her future is?
She sat in for the Tucker Carlson show recently, did a good job.
dave rubin
Look, first off, I like her a lot.
I like her personally.
I know her a bit off camera.
I've interviewed her several times.
She is a good human being.
Why is she still a Democrat?
Well, just imagine had the Democrats at the end, when they handed it to Biden and they made all the backdoor deals and gave Pete and everybody when they all left right before Super Tuesday.
Imagine if Tulsi, who stayed in because she's not part of the machine, imagine if Biden had been like, you know what, I'm going to go with this Tulsi.
Girl and she's actually an active member of the military and she loves America and she's not about identity politics and blah blah.
Think how different the country could potentially be.
Her sitting in for Tucker, I don't know that she wants to be a TV star in that regard, but I think she's an important voice and I think she is a crossover type person.
She's the type of person that I referenced earlier.
The sort of disaffected liberal that is basically ready to vote Republican but doesn't, they either don't want to say it publicly or they don't know how to quite get there.
She's the type.
It's why I'm always putting the pressure on Mar.
It's like there's a couple people that can help lead these people to the promised land.
Maybe that's sort of what you did a long time ago.
It's what I've done over a couple years, right?
And people need somebody to kind of map it for them.
So when Rogan, Who is not a traditional Republican.
He is not religious or whatever.
When he, you know, he's a pot smoking, mushroom eating, ayahuasca doing, MMA fighting, you know, blah, blah, blah.
It's like when he says, hey, I could be conservative.
It's like there's something there.
There's something powerful there.
Tulsi, that would be great.
So I don't know.
I don't know.
But that's interesting.
larry elder
That's interesting.
Let's finish up with COVID.
The superintendent of schools in, excuse me, the mayor of D.C.
says unvaccinated students are banned from in-person learning.
dave rubin
That's Muriel Bowser, I believe her name is.
Don't like her.
larry elder
Who's very unhappy about the busload of illegal aliens.
dave rubin
That we ship them, you know, we ship them from Florida.
larry elder
Governor of Florida and Texas have been shipping up there.
dave rubin
Yeah, pretty sweet.
What a great policy.
larry elder
So you enter the country without being vaccinated, that's okay.
dave rubin
Yeah.
larry elder
But you can't go to school if you haven't been vaccinated.
dave rubin
I mean, that's just, it's profoundly evil.
I think you could argue in that they frame everything through racism.
You probably could argue it's racist because there's a certain amount of black people who don't trust the system.
larry elder
And a larger percentage of blacks are not being vaccinated than whites.
dave rubin
So she doesn't want young black kids going to school.
larry elder
It's kind of interesting because the left, of course, tells blacks that they are victims of systemic racism while telling them to trust the government when they promote this vaccine.
And so you're shocked that a lot of black people are skeptical.
dave rubin
The government is an evil, systemically racist patriarchy, and it just needs your money to get more done.
That's the thing with the government.
larry elder
That's the thing with the government.
And these kids, again, are denied a whole year of in-person education.
A whole year.
There was a study done a few years ago.
85% of black 8th graders, 13-year-old people, cannot read or do math at proficiency levels.
And they lost a whole year of in-person education.
And suicides have gone up in the black community.
Depression's gone up.
Drug abuse has gone up.
We think child abuse has gone up.
I say we think because we don't know because the number one way of reporting that is teachers when the kids go to school.
They didn't go to school for a whole year so we don't know.
We assume the other things went up.
Why wouldn't that go up as well?
dave rubin
We got work to do.
Who is it that says we got a country to save?
There's somebody I know.
larry elder
I think the great Alderski says that.
dave rubin
Somebody that I know says that.
larry elder
And when I was running for governor I was asked about vaccine Mandates and I said I've been vaccinated because of my age because I've got underlying things high blood pressure among other things But I don't believe that young people should be vaccinated.
I think that young healthy people not likely to get sick Not likely to get really sick, not likely to go to the hospital, and not likely to die.
CNN interviewed me for about a half hour on all of this, and they played two minutes of what I said.
And they didn't snip it up, but they played what I said, what I just now said.
And then Joe Johns, the correspondent, said, but that's not true according to the CDC, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Now it's coming out that everything I said was accurate.
dave rubin
Man, they just, they lie and lie and lie, and we know they're lying, and they know they're lying, and they know we know they're lying.
larry elder
And what they've done to the economy, what they've done to learning, what they've done to businesses.
About a third of all the restaurants in California are now gone forever.
Most of them owned by mom-and-pops, black and brown people, the people that they claim that they care about.
dave rubin
You don't have to go back to California.
We're here in Miami, man.
I got a great real estate agent.
What are you doing?
Stay here with me.
Come on, man.
larry elder
They probably won't let me back in.
dave rubin
Larry, I thank you for doing this.
This was perfect.
Absolutely perfect.
I appreciate it.
You are a true pro.
I said to my guys when we were going through the list that who could bring me back.
larry elder
Well, I appreciate it.
dave rubin
I said, who is a pro?
Do we know any professionals?
larry elder
And as I'm doing this, I say again, there's a lot of pressure because I've got to give you the facts so you can respond properly as opposed to when we're done, you go, Elder said this.
That's not what happened.
The Mar-a-Lago thing in particular.
It's got a lot of angles to it, a lot of wrinkles to it, and I'm trying to give you exactly what happens so you can respond properly to it.
dave rubin
Larry, I thank you very much.
My pleasure.
I should also note that I'm going to do a Locals exclusive livestream to talk a little bit more about the personal stuff, the parenting, and did I even say my son's name?
Did I even say it?
larry elder
You said Jason.
dave rubin
Justin.
larry elder
Justin.
dave rubin
Did I say Jason?
That might be the other one.
larry elder
Okay.
dave rubin
Maybe you've revealed too much.
I think it's Justin.
But yes, where's the camera?
I'll just talk to you.
Yeah, I'm going to do another Locals exclusive livestream.
ReubenReport.Locals.com at 2 p.m.
Eastern, so in just a little bit and take a little break.
I'll even buy you lunch and then you're going back to Cali.
larry elder
Going back.
dave rubin
Yes, sucker.
What are you doing?
larry elder
Somebody has to do it.
dave rubin
Thank you, my friend.
larry elder
They're not going to chase me out.
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