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joe biden
And now's the time when things are shifting.
There's gonna be a new world order out there.
unidentified
And I for one welcome our new insect overlords.
[Music]
dave rubin
All right people, I'm Dave Rubin and we've got another Friday panel extravaganza.
Joining me today, our host of the Liz Wheeler Show, Liz Wheeler and Fox News columnist and New York Post columnist.
Two columnists, that's a lot of columnists.
Carol Markowitz.
We had Robert Barnes but the internet gremlins did something to him a few minutes ago and he can't join us so it's an all-lady panel.
How are you ladies?
unidentified
How's it going?
liz wheeler
Hi, Dave.
Hi, Carol.
dave rubin
I am glad to have the two of you because this was another crazy week.
It's always a crazy week.
But I feel like something happened this week that leveled up the craziness.
And I know that you guys will give me some good insight onto this new world order thing that Biden just sort of slipped out.
Oh, there's a new world order coming.
Somehow I don't remember that.
Do you guys remember that during the campaign?
Was there anything about a new world order coming?
Do you guys remember that?
Was there anything?
I don't think so.
But that just slipped out.
That's what he's throwing at us.
Let's show you the full clip on that, and then we'll jump in.
joe biden
You know, we are an inflection point, I believe, in the world economy.
Not just the world economy, in the world.
It occurs every three or four generations.
As one of the top military people said to me in a secure meeting the other day, 60 million people died between 1900 and 1946.
And since then, we established a liberal world order, and that hadn't happened in a long while.
A lot of people died, but nowhere near the chaos.
And now's the time when things are shifting.
There's going to be a new world order out there, and we've got to lead it.
We've got to unite the rest of the free world in doing it.
dave rubin
Okay, so putting aside the lack of energy, the odd telling us that the New World Order is coming and sort of threatening us that an awful lot of people are going to die, he puts that out there and it doesn't get a lot of traction on mainstream media.
And before I throw to you guys, I want to show one other thing.
Twitter trending immediately told us that it wasn't even true.
What he said right there, it was trending in politics.
Unfounded claims about the New World Order conspiracy theory are discussed after President Joe Biden used the phrase as he spoke about the United States' response to Russia's invasion of Ukraine during an address at business roundtables CEO quarterly meeting.
So don't worry guys, even though Joe Biden said that there's a new world order, Twitter cleaned it up for him real quick.
Carol, I'll jump to you first on this because you work at the New York Post and the other thing that we were covering pretty heavily this week was the whole Hunter Biden thing.
Who do you believe here?
Do you believe Twitter or do you believe Joe Biden?
karol markowicz
Well, I think neither really.
I think I don't know where Joe Biden got this New World Order from or where he imagined he'd be the one leading it.
I think we're in a really crazy place with Joe Biden as our president,
where nobody really believes that he's the guy in charge, which is difficult for a new world order
when the guy is declaring that he's going to be the man running it,
and nobody thinks he's the man running anything.
So it's a really wild situation to watch him on the world stage
and be kind of nervous that other countries are seeing this.
They're seeing our president sort of stumbling and talking about kind of crazy things.
dave rubin
Liz, what do you think about Biden saying it?
I mean, did he just kind of slip or did, I mean, you know, they give him the script.
He reads usually quite poorly off the paper or the prompter.
I mean, it doesn't seem like it was something he was supposed to say.
liz wheeler
Well, this was so hilarious to me when I first saw this headline and then I watched the clip for myself to make sure that the headline wasn't out of context.
This was hilarious to me because like two or three years ago, if anyone said the phrase New World Order, they were castigated by the left for being conspiracy theorists.
This doesn't exist.
This isn't a real thing.
You tinfoil hat crazies, we were told.
And then obviously, you know, two, three years later, Joe Biden says it himself.
And now I'd love to hear from those same liberals, those same mainstream media outlets that said that there was no such thing as a new world order.
But Twitter actually, this is a very interesting and telling warning, or I guess it was more of a summary that Twitter put out.
If we lived in a society where journalists were curious, where they had any kind of journalistic integrity, they would ask the question, well, what do you mean?
You and I, Dave and Carol, wouldn't have to sit here and speculate, did Joe Biden mean to say this?
Did he not mean to say this?
Was this an accident?
Who wrote this for him?
Because journalists would be asking the question, they'd say, Mr. President, that phrase is attached.
To accusations of globalism from some people and accusations of conspiracy from other people.
Could you clarify what that means?
What do you mean by a new world order?
What do you mean by we might take the lead?
Because there is an effort by people, not just in our country but around the world, to have a globalist world order.
To have these bodies above the sovereignty of nations ruling us.
I mean, this is what the World Economic Forum wants to do.
This is what the United Nations wants to do.
And there are politicians in our country who want to give away our sovereignty to these extra-governmental bodies.
And so if we had a journalistic class that had any integrity at all, they would say, Mr. President, what do you mean when you say New World Order?
dave rubin
Yeah, and it's not just that we don't have a journalistic class, but, Connor, real quick, could you throw the tweet up again, the screenshot of what Twitter put there?
Unfounded claims.
So first off, he's the one that said New World Order.
They start the sentence with unfounded claims.
And then the implication is that if you talk about it, you're a conspiracy theorist.
Carol, go ahead.
karol markowicz
Yeah, no, I was just going to say exactly to that point that somebody at Twitter understood the reference, whereas Joe Biden did not.
Somebody at Twitter was like, wait, we can't have the president saying this.
This is a term used by people to mean something very specific.
And the president maybe didn't mean it or, you know, they cover up for him.
But somebody at Twitter literally understood what the implications of that was in a way that Joe Biden did not.
dave rubin
Carol, I want to go a little further on the on the Twitter part of this, because the other big thing, of course, in the last week was the the Hunter Biden story, which the New York Times confirmed.
And now basically we're done.
It's over again.
You know, it's like we had two years of we couldn't talk about it.
New York Times finally admits it's real.
And then sort of maybe us and some of the online people talk about it for a day or two.
And now it's gone again.
But as someone that works at the New York Post, which was suspended, the links were unable to be posted by other people and everything else.
It's sort of directly connected to this story that that Twitter is now more important than the journalistic outlets.
And as Liz said, we don't really have that many journalists in the first place.
karol markowicz
Right.
And you were unable to direct message that link to somebody.
If I wanted to send it to you in a private message on Twitter or Facebook or Instagram, I would have been unable to.
And so I think, again, going back to a lot of things are really scary right now.
So I'm going to keep using that word.
But this is scary that social media platforms have this kind of control over what people get to read
and see and learn about.
And the joke, of course, is that the New York Times didn't produce any new information
to confirm the Hunter Biden story.
They simply looked into it a little deeper when it no longer mattered.
And the thing is, and obviously this is a question that just kind of gets asked because of the timing, but why?
Why did the New York Times do this now?
And not really a conspiracy theory to say that they probably are looking to the future and they are not sure that they want Joe Biden to be the candidate in 2024.
And I can't blame them for that, but this is a really targeted, specific way To get at the Biden family, to look at an old story and say, oh, we've discovered something new.
There is nothing new here.
dave rubin
Liz, I suspect you're not surprised that none of those 50 intelligence officers who issued the statement saying, you know, that it was complete misinformation two years ago.
Nobody's retracted anything.
Nobody's apologized.
We know nothing of who decided to do this at Twitter two years ago.
Nobody's asking the questions.
As you said before, we just don't have journalists Carol, you must know somebody.
Could you call somebody and ask somebody to call somebody at Twitter and say, who is in the meeting?
You know, really, that's what people should be looking at.
Who is in the meeting at Twitter to say, OK, we're going to ban this thing.
But Liz, I'm surprised.
You're not surprised by any of this, obviously.
liz wheeler
No, I'm not surprised because the 50 intelligence officers who said that this was a conspiracy theory, they've ruined that term, by the way, because now no one's ashamed to be associated with so-called conspiracy theories because they all come true.
But these intelligence officers made a deliberate choice at that time.
They did not believe that it was untrue.
They just wanted you and I to think that it was untrue.
They wanted the American people to think it was untrue.
So, of course, they're not going to retract.
They lied once.
They're fine lying again here.
The actual problem here, though, isn't the mainstream media.
The mainstream media is part of the problem, but the bigger problem that we shouldn't forget, that we shouldn't overlook, is what Hunter Biden did.
The fact that his emails showed that he was selling access to his father when his father
was vice president of the United States under the Obama administration.
That he was taking money from foreign entities tied to hostile governments, and that he was
saving part of that money for the big guy, for his father.
This is the reason it's a bombshell story.
It's not really a bombshell story that he's a crack addict.
That's a sad part of it that explains some of his behavior.
But that's actually, it's not just for family shame that we talk about Hunter Biden.
It's not just to embarrass Biden.
It's because his behavior put the national security of our country at risk.
And so I think conservatives do need to be really careful when they're talking about
this story.
Not just to focus on how awful the New York Times is, or how awful Twitter, which they
are of course, but focus on the actual crime that was committed.
Because there was a poll that showed that Democrats who voted for Joe Biden in 2020, that there's a good percentage of them who wouldn't have voted for Joe Biden if they had believed the Hunter Biden story to be true.
And so we need to focus on that, I think, more than the media aspect.
dave rubin
Carol, at some level, again, because you're at The Post and you probably know personally some of the people involved in this, I mean, at some level, this really was election interference, the fact that they would not let us get this information.
karol markowicz
Right, I think what Liz is saying is exactly right.
This wasn't a story about, look at the president's crackhead son.
It absolutely is not about Hunter Biden's problems.
It is about what Hunter Biden did while Joe Biden was vice president.
And I think that had Americans heard that his son is so compromised and had accepted payment to connect to his dad.
I think it would have been a really different story.
That's the thing, I think, you know, Liz mentioned the conspiracy theorists
are no longer like a bad term.
That's where we are now.
And it's a bad place to be.
I don't like that Americans don't trust anything.
I don't think it's a good thing that we can't trust the media at all,
that we don't trust most of our institutions at all, that we know that we're being lied to
and that nobody will do anything about it.
All of that is bad, in my opinion.
I think as a cohesive country, we can't be in that place and be a cohesive country at the same time, and I think we all know that.
dave rubin
All right, well, putting aside our crazy conspiracy theories and the wacky ideas that you guys are talking about, Biden continued in that speech yesterday and he's warning us.
You remember about two months ago and for a month he warned us that there was going to be a war coming with Russia and Ukraine?
Now he's warning us about food shortages.
Here we go.
joe biden
Nothing more to report.
With regard to food shortages, yes we did talk about food shortages.
And it's going to be real.
The price of these sanctions is not just imposed upon Russia.
It's imposed upon an awful lot of countries as well, including European countries and our country as well.
dave rubin
Ah, so the sanctions are going to cause us and the Europeans to have food shortages.
Liz, were we promised that a couple weeks ago when this thing started?
I don't remember anything about food shortages right here at home.
I mean, we're having shortages of everything else, so I guess we should have expected it, but I don't remember that.
liz wheeler
Well, I think there's a couple things.
I mean, I myself was waiting during this speech for Biden to mention whether his transportation secretary, Buttigieg, was actually back to his job, whether he was going to address the supply chain crisis that we've been experiencing that does lead to food shortages.
The other reason, this is true, right?
Everyone who goes to a grocery store, which means not Joe Biden, understands that prices have been hiked really high.
I mean, a gallon of milk is a lot more expensive.
Um, diapers.
I buy diapers for my daughter.
They're a lot more expensive.
This is a, this is a real thing that we're dealing with.
And the reason is it's not just arbitrary.
It's not just happening.
It's happening because of deliberate political decisions that Joe Biden has made, whether it's spending, which leads to inflation, whether it's not addressing the supply chain crisis, whether it's environmental policies that have, that have hurt our farmers across the country that have either driven prices up or driven the supply down.
This is, this is Joe Biden being out of touch once again.
And I, I'm excited in a sense to see how this plays out in the midterms because people are hurting and he's just being flippant about it.
dave rubin
Carol, I want to focus on one word that Liz said right there.
Deliberate.
Because all week I did shows, this whole week, basically my argument at this point is that this is deliberate.
I think that they actually do want these supply chain issues.
I think they want food shortages.
I think they want high gas prices.
They are trying to usher in, his words, a new world order and you'd have to collapse the system and make everyone think this thing doesn't work.
So when people say, "Oh no, they're just bad at what they do," it's like, "No, they're
actually quite good at it."
What do you think about that?
karol markowicz
I don't know.
The problem with that, and I get why that could be a theory of what's happening because everything makes no sense.
But the problem with that is at the end of that, who chooses the Biden administration or Democrats in general to lead the way on this new world order when everything has collapsed around them?
I think one of the things is that we don't hear from Joe Biden that often.
And when we do hear from them, it's always like winter of despair is coming.
It's never like, Don't worry, I'm going to make things better for everybody.
It's always like, prepare for the worst, we're all going to die.
So I don't really know why that's the strategy that his administration has come up with for when we do see the president, he's always there to deliver the worst possible news to us.
I think food shortages are coming.
I don't think they have anything to do with the war in Russia.
unidentified
I think people have been predicting these food shortages for a while.
karol markowicz
I think we're seeing in stores a lack of supply.
It completely comes back to this administration being inept and not caring that this is affecting people on a very day-to-day basis.
And it's just the world of the delayed treadmill, et cetera.
They have no idea what's really happening out there in America.
dave rubin
Yeah, by the way, congratulations on to you guys for surviving the winter of death.
And Michael Bowles had a great point.
We went from like the winter of death to now the spring of food shortages.
It's just incredible the way they use fear.
But but that's pretty much all they got at this point.
Right, Liz?
liz wheeler
Yeah, certainly.
I mean, it's emotional manipulation.
It's emotional blackmail.
I think that the threats for the spring aren't going to be quite as frightening to people as the threats of COVID, but this is what they do.
I mean, think about how they act on climate change.
They tell us in 11 years, or I guess it's 10 years, but you haven't noticed that they changed their talking points, which is interesting.
They're still saying 11 years, three years in a row.
In 11 years, the world is going to end if we don't If we don't stop eating red meat and stop using airplanes and if we don't sacrifice our souls on the altar of socialism here, they do the same thing with COVID.
If we don't give away our freedoms, then you will die and you will be killing grandma.
Now, you know, you're not going to have food for your family if you don't let the Democrats turn our country into a Marxist state.
I mean, at some point, they're going to have adrenal burnout syndrome, I would think, just from this constant hyping.
But I don't know.
I would hope that the American people at some point would realize, listen, these predictions are not coming true.
These predictions are inaccurate.
It is fear-mongering.
And I do think it's a deliberate strategy.
I do think that you are correct when you say that it's a deliberate strategy because in order to usher in the America that they want or the governing system of our country that they want, a socialist, communist, Marxist system, they have to destroy our institutions first.
This is classic critical theory.
This is Marxism.
Carol, which would you say is worse?
dave rubin
If it's deliberate or not deliberate, which is actually worse?
I mean, if it's deliberate, then it feels like, oh, we can fight it because we know there's something direct to point at.
I mean, if it's complete ineptitude, I'll pretend that that sounds right.
Like, that's much scarier in a way, right?
karol markowicz
Right.
Well, that's exactly it.
I'm not sure which the conspiracy theory is at this point.
But no, I think it is an ineptitude.
I think this administration has no idea what's going on.
And they're just completely out of touch.
I remember Joe Biden going on vacation as the Afghanistan thing fell apart.
And it's just like, how do you do that?
How do you go home to Delaware when Americans are dying in a country that we've been in
for so long and you pulled out haphazardly and really didn't care about them?
And so Liz said that she hopes Americans see through what's going on.
And I really do think Americans have gotten very savvy and that they understand a lot
more than they say used to.
And they're able to see the angles in a way that they hadn't maybe in the past.
I think they see this administration for what it is.
I think they know that things are going badly and it's the direct result of this administration
and their policies.
Whether or not that's intentional is a separate issue.
But I think Americans really do know where this begins and ends.
dave rubin
I hope you are right.
Well, whether it's intentional or not, here is one of Biden's top economic advisors by the name of Brian Deese telling us that we're probably going into a recession or maybe not, but it sort of has something to do with them and also nothing to do with them.
unidentified
As it begins to tighten policy, are you confident that the Fed won't tighten into a recession?
Look, I don't think anybody can be 100% confident of anything at this point.
We're in uncertain territory.
I think that that's the task that they have in front of them, and what I'm confident of is that they will do that with care and with precision and with independent judgment, and that that is the best that we can expect.
dave rubin
Pretty inspirational, huh?
I don't think anyone can be confident of anything.
This is a White House spokesman!
unidentified
Liz, I don't even have a question for you.
dave rubin
Just say something.
liz wheeler
Well, listen, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
So even if you think that this dude from the White House, and I call him that deliberately because he is in no position to be admired here, even if he just doesn't know what he's doing, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
I mean, they're leading the country into a financial crisis.
That's obvious.
You can see what's happening here.
I personally, like I said, I think it's deliberate because I think that they're surrounding themselves, whether or not Biden himself Is aware of this stuff?
That I don't know.
I mean, the guy is senile.
He belongs in a nursing home.
You hear him.
I mean, he's practically shuffling.
I expect him to show up with Velcro shoes any day.
But the fact of the matter is, he surrounds himself with people who do know what they're doing.
He surrounds himself with financial advisors who espouse modern monetary theory.
This banana's idea that the government can just, or should, as the issuer of currency, just continue to spend.
That they shouldn't worry about debt.
They shouldn't worry about deficit.
They should only worry about the amount that they spend as it relates to inflation.
And when inflation becomes too high, then they just raise taxes so that it decreases
demand on the supply.
I mean, these are the people that Biden surrounds himself with.
And we know that the ultimate result of that kind of crazy monetary theory is going to
be economic ruin.
Again, I think they're leading us to economic ruin because they want economic ruin to take down the institution so that they can impose instead socialism.
But the fact of the matter is these people surrounding Biden are crazy.
They're very radical and deliberately so.
dave rubin
Carol, you're a mother.
If your kids came to you and they had a problem, and your response was, well, I don't think anyone can be confident of anything, and I can't really trust anybody, et cetera, et cetera, would this be a good way of parenting?
karol markowicz
You know, it's funny, because that clip really did remind me of my children, that little shrug in the beginning, like, who colored on the walls?
unidentified
I don't know.
karol markowicz
Could be anyone, really.
Anything is possible.
I really think that shrug has to be memed, because that's really a perfect encapsulation of what's going on in the Biden administration.
Just that little, like, I don't know, could be anything, really.
Yeah, I think that it's An irresponsible way to talk to the American people and say that, you know, anything is possible, prepare for the worst, start hoarding food, etc.
This administration really doesn't understand that their policies are leading to a lot of problems, but their communication is just really abysmal.
dave rubin
What about the way that they sort of also, it's not just the strange wording and the double speak and all that stuff, but the blatant lies.
I mean, things that we all know are true.
That if you just print money endlessly, you will deflate the value of money.
It's basic economics 101.
Everyone understands it.
You can learn it from Monopoly if you didn't learn it in school.
Is this also just a problem of education at this point that we have so many people who have been poorly educated that you can't blame these people for trying to take advantage of the situation, Liz?
liz wheeler
Yeah, definitely.
I mean, it's twofold in education.
And not just children, young adults in college are not only not taught good sound economics, they are actively taught not to think critically.
And they're actively taught that it's not their place to question the experts.
You know, we're basically raising children in this brainless technocracy where only certain people with certain degrees, as bestowed by radical leftist institutions, Are you guys stockpiling food?
Do you guys have emergency food?
Tange Brown Jackson, well, I can't tell you what a woman is.
I'm not a biologist.
Like, are you joking, lady?
You are a woman.
Define a woman.
This is, this is, this is, well, not to make a bad pun here, this is not rocket science.
You can take part in this.
So yeah, so it's the fault of bad education, but you can tell what people are believing.
Just, I'm gonna go off of something Carol said.
She said, we talked about food hoarders.
I mean, are you guys, are you guys stockpiling food?
Like, do you guys have emergency food?
I do.
My husband's somewhat of a prepper.
We have emergency food because we know what's coming.
Even if you can't write down that economics algorithm in your notebook, like, people know what the result of these behaviors from the Biden administration are going to be.
dave rubin
I've got a freezer in my garage stocked with all kinds of good stuff that you guys are both welcome to during the apocalypse.
karol markowicz
I'm coming.
dave rubin
For sure.
So we basically should have known this was all coming, right?
They told us 2 plus 2 is 5.
They told us that boys are girls.
Of course the next thing would be that nothing you know related to math and economics actually has any meaning.
karol markowicz
Right.
Or the COVID years, right?
Two years of nothing making sense.
Like, these people don't have to be vaccinated, but these people do have to be vaccinated.
These people don't have to mask, but these people do have to mask.
And none of it made any sense.
And we were screaming, you know, into the void about it for two years.
And the left still doesn't want to face up to any of that.
But you know, the thing about inflation is that it Really can be explained in a really simple way.
I'm telling you, you can talk to my nine-year-old and he'll explain why printing too much money will lead to prices becoming higher.
And I don't think this is a complicated concept.
I think it just needs to be put out there.
But instead we have, you know, the Biden administration saying that this money printing thing that they're doing has nothing to do with inflation.
That it has to, you know, Putin did it.
It's always Putin at this point.
And I don't know.
I don't know that Americans understand that they should be kind of, not affording, okay?
Like, you know, not everybody can have a freezer in their garage, but they absolutely should be stacking up with an eye on the future, for sure.
dave rubin
Carol, is your son looking for a job?
Because I'm pretty sure he could be head of the Fed.
I mean, I'll hire him for something, but he could be head of the Fed.
All right.
Let's do one more thing here that sort of, I guess, captures this whole thing.
I mean, Biden is just losing it.
He just is.
It's a sad, depressing reality.
We can all joke about it all the time.
And I do.
And then my mom always says, stop joking about it so much because it's actually quite sad.
He's the pilot of the plane and the pilot is clearly incapable.
Here he is yesterday when he thought he was just going to freely take some questions.
joe biden
And I'll be now happy to take your questions.
Since there's so many people out there, I'm going to give them a list.
Now, how about Chris or the Associated Press?
First question.
unidentified
[inaudible]
Mr. President, how does that mean?
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Come on, let's go.
[inaudible]
dave rubin
So they hand him a list.
We don't know who they is.
And then when other people try to ask him questions, they get pushed away and rushed away.
I'm fairly certain if this was the orange guy, the media would be screaming about it.
Carol, it's depressing, right?
Whether you like the guy or not, whether you think that they're trying to usher in the New World Order or not, this isn't the way it's supposed to be.
karol markowicz
Right.
Whether you like him or not is irrelevant here because I think we need to hear from our president.
You don't have to agree with him.
You don't have to disagree with him.
We need to hear him speak.
We need to hear him talk to the American people.
And again, every time he talks to us, he says something crazy and we're all like, wait, what?
But in general, we don't hear from him that often.
And the fact that he only goes to media that is his preferred media people, you know, I don't know who Chris at Associated Press is, But Chris at Associated Press should know that he's being chosen because they think that he's going to be kinder to Biden or just softer.
If I'm Chris, I don't think that looks particularly great for me, that they're confident I'm not going to ask a difficult question and throw the president off his game.
dave rubin
Liz, did you happen to see the other part in this speech, we should have grabbed the clip, where he goes again in on the very fine people hoax and he says that, you know, this is why he decided to run for president, because Trump said there were very fine people in Charlottesville.
And we know, and I've debunked it a million times, and all the internet conspiracy theorists have done the same thing, where Trump immediately did condemn the white supremacists and the neo-Nazis.
But that Biden is just repeating lies that are put in front of him.
He doesn't know what he's saying.
And I just don't know what to do at this point.
liz wheeler
Well, it's interesting.
I did a whole episode on my show last week about this trifecta of... I called it this trifecta of evil that's happening in our country, where we have corrupt politicians who don't want to be held accountable to their voters.
They're doing things like what Hunter Biden did.
They're doing things like trying to spend our money, like with the modern monetary theory.
I don't need to give you an example of all the corrupt things they're doing.
We have corrupt politicians.
We all understand that.
But the reason they're able to get away with their corruption is twofold.
It's because we have big tech That's censoring reality.
They're censoring any information that would expose the corruption, right?
They're creating this information vacuum by saying, nope, if you send a link about Hunter Biden, we are going to actively stop you from doing that because we don't want you to hear about this story.
And then in this vacuum of information that they've created, then the mainstream media comes in and they propagate lies.
They're not the censors.
They're the ones who are telling you, actually, now that we have the truth out of the way, here's what we want you to believe.
And it's only because of this trifecta, these three parts of this apparatus, that corrupt politicians are actually able to get away with their corruption.
Otherwise, we would find out and we would never stand for it.
This would be a bipartisan rejection of this kind of corruption.
That's what we see with the story about Charlottesville, this very fine people narrative from the left.
We know empirically what the truth is.
This is not a controversial thing to say.
You can look up the video yourself.
Trump actually said, except for white supremacists and neo-Nazis.
Like, he was not talking about them.
dave rubin
Who I condemn totally.
liz wheeler
Big Tech censors conservatives.
Yeah, he condemned them totally.
He did, and he did it again and again.
And Big Tech censors conservatives who try to tell the truth.
And then the mainstream media comes in with their false narrative, and that's what people believe.
The only reason Biden is able to get away with his corruption and lies is because of Big Tech and the mainstream media.
That's why he calls on these people, because they are a critical part of his apparatus.
dave rubin
Carol, as someone that works at the Post and Fox and columnist and journalist, do you remember when it really went so haywire with so many of your colleagues or so many of the people at these other organizations?
unidentified
Trump.
karol markowicz
I think that was the moment where they lost it, where they no longer even pretended to see themselves as some arbiters of truth.
They became, you know, anti-Trump as a position and as a job.
I remember Brian Stelter working this out kind of publicly.
And saying, like, are we supposed to, like, you know, fact check Trump in real time?
Are we supposed to ask questions that we know he's going to not tell the truth to?
But as if that's only limited to Trump, right?
They're not fact checking anybody else.
So it became like our mission is no longer to be journalists, where, you know, liberal media has always been a thing.
It's not like that's new.
It's not like they've Just began pushing their positions.
But I think what changed is the openness with which they do it and the way that they have changed their entire focus.
It's really no longer about telling American people the truth.
It's about telling American people the story that they think that American people need to hear.
dave rubin
Right.
And by the way, it's like you got to sort of admire the machine, to your point, Liz, because they can get away with the lies because then there's big tech and the machinery that we're always playing catch up and trying to whack a mole of the lies.
We're all running behind that.
We do need a little bit of a paradigm shift, which is my final question, which is you guys know how I try to do this show.
I try to give people at the end, especially on a Friday, Like the vision, the positive vision of how we get through this thing and how we make some sense of it and how, as I know you guys both as friends, you can live good, happy lives in the midst of this lunacy.
Liz, how can we do it?
liz wheeler
Well, I mean, I say this tongue in cheek in a sense because I am myself obsessed with politics, of course, but make sure that you have your perspectives in proper order.
I mean, you should be spending time with your family.
You should be spending time with your spouse.
You should be having children.
You should be going to church.
You should be having a community.
You should be pursuing hobbies.
You should be doing things for enjoyment.
You should be partaking in charity.
I mean, all of these things, I mean, I know I sound like a preacher at this point,
but all of these things are the joy of life.
The reason that we're in politics, the reason that we're in political commentary,
the reason that we're in media is to protect those things.
Now, so often we have so much passion for what we do that we get, I should speak for myself here,
I get obsessed with it.
I'm a workaholic by nature because I love what I do.
But I have to make sure that I don't lose sight of those things because those are the joys of life.
So what I do on the weekend is I spend time with my husband, I spend time with my daughter, I spend time with my family and my friends.
And I do the things that we are fighting to protect.
And so, like I said, I know this sounds cliche, it sounds cheesy.
This is what we as conservatives have to remember to do.
It also helps us order what we need to protect politically based on what we want to do with our families.
dave rubin
Carol, politics shouldn't be everything?
unidentified
It is!
My answer is not opposed to that.
karol markowicz
For sure, I focus on my family above all.
I focus on my friendships.
I think that it's very important to take long breaks from Twitter.
And remember that Twitter is not real life.
But I will say that I think I'm very hopeful right now because I think so many eyes have been opened over the last, especially two years, where I don't think we're letting our kids get indoctrinated in quite the same way that we used to.
I think that we are super involved now in what our kids are learning, not just in school, but what they're learning on TV shows, what they're learning through books.
I think parents have been You know, finally awoken and they understand that something is targeting their children and they're fighting back.
So my hopeful thing is that parents have realized just how much politicization of their children is happening and they're ready to fight that and they are fighting that.
And I think they're winning.
I really do.
I think the last few weeks have really been encouraging to me that sanity will prevail.
dave rubin
That's a solid note to end on.
Well, I want to thank you two women, although we know this week that technically we're not sure what a woman is.
I'm not a biologist, so I apologize if I've offended either one of you.
I'm going to finish up for a couple minutes, but have a great weekend, guys.
And Carol, I'm going to have that gelato that you sent me tonight.
Thank you very much.
All right, guys.
So, yeah, I think that's the right take.
I really think that's the right take.
I think they both hit Good points there at the end.
Liz's point of you just got to go live your life and be with people you love and do things you love to do and do charity and be part of your community, like that's the point.
And then Carol's point that the silver lining to all this, which is much harder to see, is that so many people are waking up.
I mean, the messages that I get from you guys, so much of my audience is filled with people that are waking up, as I once woke up years ago.
So that really is the message.
Actually, I would say that mostly when people say hi to me, on the street or at a store or something else, they'll be
like, "Oh, you know, I was a lefty a year ago," or "I didn't get any of this a year ago," or "I
saw you and Larry Elder in this and that and the other thing." And it's like, that means that
tons and tons of people are waking up. And I think COVID woke a lot of people up. I think some
of this obvious nonsense that we just went through on this show today with Biden, it's like, it's
pretty damn obvious.
And maybe that means that the machine will just hit down harder.
Maybe that means that more censorship will be ramped up.
Maybe that means that they'll just try to scare us more and more.
COVID-2 is coming back.
Food shortages are coming back.
unidentified
Nuclear war.
dave rubin
But I think we're gonna be alright.
But it's on us.
And actually, I wrote a book about it.
Can you believe it?
It's right here and it's coming out in a couple weeks.
April 12th is when the book comes out, but the book tour comes starting on April 19th.
I'll be in Orlando, Florida.
Then I'll be in West Palm Beach on the 19th.
I'll be in Clearwater on the 20th.
April 21st in Raleigh, North Carolina.
April 22nd in Atlanta, Georgia.
The 23rd in Chicago.
23rd in Chicago, 24th in Dallas, Washington DC on the 25th, West Nyack, New York on the 26th.
Then I have a little bit of a break.
Then Brea, California in Brea, California, in Brea, California, May 12th, Oxnard, California,
May 15th, San Jose, California, May 16th, Phoenix, Arizona, May 18th, Denver, Colorado.
We'll add some other dates.
You can go to daverubin.com/events and Dennis Prager's joining me.
Larry Elder's joining me.
Oh, we just announced Don Jr.
Donald Trump Jr.
You know this guy?
He's going to join me in West Palm Beach on April 19th.
We've got Benny Johnson.
We've got Yanmi Park in Chicago.
It's just a great group of people.
It's going to be fun.
I hope you guys will join us and have a fun night out.
That's all we've got for you today.
I hope you enjoyed the shows this week.
I did.
And I hope you have a great weekend and you don't stare at your phone the whole time and you get out there and get some fresh air and enjoy your loved ones.
That is all.
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