Dec. 5, 2021 - Rubin Report - Dave Rubin
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| One instance that I think is still to this day one of the most egregious was Michael Brown. | ||
| I mean, They still are saying, hands up, don't shoot. | ||
| They are still pushing this rhetoric and agenda. | ||
| And that to me has stimulated all of this fear and hate and misinformation. | ||
| And where you can just blatantly lie about the police and it's just acceptable. | ||
| You could say that the black man had his hands up and was executed in the middle of the street. | ||
| And that's totally fine. | ||
| Even though the DOJ and with a black president, a black attorney general found that the officer did nothing wrong. | ||
| You still can push that, and that leads to the Jacob Blakes. | ||
| That leads to all of these other cases. | ||
| I'm Dave Rubin and joining me today is a former police officer and now author of the | ||
| new book, Beaten Black and Blue, Being a Black Cop in an America Under Siege. | ||
| Brandon Tatum, my friend, welcome back to the Rubin Report. | ||
| What's going on, Dave? | ||
| I'm doing all right, as I said to you right before we started, just trying to survive the revolution. | ||
| And you? | ||
| Oh, doing the same thing. | ||
| You know, we both in this together and I'm sure we're both trying to make a concerted effort to do something about what's going on and keep a positive attitude. | ||
| So I think we're on the same page, man. | ||
| Indeed, we are that very much about keeping a positive attitude and kind of knowing what you're saying and all that. | ||
| That is sort of what the book is about. | ||
| We'll obviously get to that. | ||
| I know most of my audience is familiar with you already. | ||
| You've been on the show a couple of times, but for those that aren't, can we just do a quick recap of the bio of Brandon Tatum? | ||
| What made you a guy that's writing a book about policing and doing crazy YouTube shows like this? | ||
| Yeah, you know, the funny thing is, man, I grew up in Fort Worth, Texas, a young man with parents who were divorced and all the other stuff. | ||
| And, you know, some people may think that I would have fallen down a particular path, but I believe that God had a plan for me in college. | ||
| I played football. | ||
| I was leaning more left. | ||
| I got saved in 2008, and I never in my life thought about being a police officer. | ||
| I knew I was going to play in the NFL. | ||
| I did not get drafted in 2010, although I was in the draft. | ||
| And it really changed my life. | ||
| I became a police officer after doing a ride along and my political views changed. | ||
| My worldview changed in a significant way and I was a police officer for six and a half years. | ||
| I did the SWAT team. | ||
| I was a field training officer. | ||
| I was a spokesperson. | ||
| I did almost everything that I could on the police department. | ||
| And really during Barack Obama's era is where things begin to really change significantly for me. | ||
| And with the attacks on police during that period of time and the rhetoric coming from the White House, this book idea came to my mind, man. | ||
| I said, you know what? | ||
| I feel like I'm getting beat up from both directions. | ||
| I'm getting beat up as a black man trying to be a police officer by the black community. | ||
| And then I'm getting beaten up for wearing a uniform in general by the population that had been swindled by the propaganda from the mainstream media and these political leaders. | ||
| And I said, one day I'm going to write a book. | ||
| And I wrote the book last year. | ||
| And leading into this year, I've made some additions to it because of the George Floyd situation. | ||
| However, it's going to be published November 30th, and I'm excited about it. | ||
| So there's obviously a ton to talk about there related to when things changed with policing and how it changed. | ||
| But you mentioned sort of getting it from both sides and we've talked about that a little bit before but can you just go into that a bit more? | ||
| How going into these black communities as a black man in some ways you told me last time it kind of helped at times because it gave you a little cred but then in another way it was sort of like you were seen as like a traitor or something like that. | ||
| Yeah, 100%. | ||
| You know, some things, some people, they were reasonable, rational individuals. | ||
| Sometimes they felt a connection with me because I look like them, you know, and maybe I sound like them because I got kind of a country accent. | ||
| It's kind of gone away now, but at the time, you know, I was a lot more country. | ||
| And so people maybe identified with me and I was able to communicate with individuals that some officers couldn't. | ||
| More so than not, people would criticize me because I'm black and, and you working for the white man and you were traded to your people. | ||
| And, you know, even when they would spew rhetoric, this, the white man system, systemic racism, it's like, look, I'm a part, I'm a part of this system. | ||
| And you are proclaiming that I'm a problem and that I'm involved in systemic racism. | ||
| And even just last week, two weeks ago, I was at the Revolt Summit, which is a summit for primarily just black people. | ||
| I think a lot of celebrities there. | ||
| Rick Ross was there. | ||
| P. Diddy is there. | ||
| He runs the organization. | ||
| And I was on the panel as a black police officer, and literally everything I said to support the relationship between law enforcement and the black community, I got booed. | ||
| That sentiment is the reason why I think, you know, kind of drew me to writing this book and wanting to express this is another side of it that people may not understand is that this is what it's like actually being a black man in America on the police department. | ||
| Did I see a clip of that from Revolt? | ||
| Did you post a clip of that getting booed? | ||
| Or am I thinking, I think I may be thinking of something else. | ||
| It was not that? | ||
| They may have posted, Taylor Report may have posted that I had attended there, but you know what? | ||
| The funny thing is they scrapped, when they posted this live, because it was pre-recorded, they scrapped everything me and that other black officer said. | ||
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| And we said a lot of profound things that I think could be invaluable to the community, and they deleted it when they posted it, which is, it's shameful. | ||
| So what do you make of that? | ||
| I mean, you were invited. | ||
| It's not as if they don't know what you think, right? | ||
| Like, it's not that you're gonna suddenly get there and they're gonna be like, holy cow, this guy, you know, doesn't fall in line with us exactly. | ||
| They know that to begin with. | ||
| What do you make of even being invited? | ||
| And then were you able to get across any of the ideas to some of the people that maybe were booing you? | ||
| Nah, I mean, there were people there that already agreed with the sentiment. | ||
| The police officers that were there, all the black cops that were there supporting the event. | ||
| Some people already agreed, but the others, you know, they had their mind fixed. | ||
| And you can see that it's a rigged situation where you have, you know, them having other voices. | ||
| to express the totality of the black experience. | ||
| And then when the push comes to shove, when the audience is bigger than 50 people, when it's going out to the millions of people that follow the revolt network, they completely silence your voice. | ||
| And the crazy thing is, is that they allow the misrepresentation of police officers and hateful divisive rhetoric They allowed those panelists to have a highlighted voice, and then he deleted everybody else that said anything different. | ||
| So, to me, it speaks to the bigger overarching issue that there's an effort and a push in order to block any thought that's different than the mainstream idea they want to push. | ||
| Right, so you mentioned, okay, the way the black community sometimes felt when you'd go into these neighborhoods, and then you mentioned the other side, that you were getting it from both sides. | ||
| You're sort of describing that already, but what was that like as a police officer? | ||
| You're saying, okay, I'm going in to do my job, but now here's the people on the outside who are also hitting you for it. | ||
| Yeah, and one thing that I learned before I became a police officer, that I had no idea what police officers actually did. | ||
| And then when I became a police officer, I was like, Oh my God, man, we do stuff that people have no idea about. | ||
| I mean, we're put in situations, the things that we see, the stress that we are under, the decisions that we have to make in a split second when, you know, you take it to trial and attorneys have months, years to deliberate and figure out a strategy to argue your, you know, half a second decision. | ||
| But we would get pushback, you know, with the George Floyd stuff, not the George Floyd, because I wasn't a cop in that time, but Michael Brown and some of these other incidents, people just projected negativity on you. | ||
| You had to be a murderous thug, even though none of that happened in the city of Tucson where I work. | ||
| And it was, it was hard, man. | ||
| It was very disheartening because I knew the men and women who work with me and work around the country, putting your life on the line for other people. | ||
| I mean, this is not a video game, man. | ||
| This is not, oh, it is, you know, like a, like a prerecording or something. | ||
| I mean, you, you mess up. | ||
| It's real life. | ||
| This is, this is real at real time. | ||
| And the men and women, I knew their families, a lot of people, just great individuals. | ||
| who have a passion for supporting their communities and to see them get just ragged on with false narratives being pushed was something that was like, you know what? | ||
| I gotta write a book and I gotta tell the story and correct some of this stuff because people aren't getting a fair evaluation of law enforcement. | ||
| So that's exactly what you do in the book. | ||
| And you mentioned many of the names that people have heard. | ||
| And if you wanna highlight one particular story, feel free. | ||
| But one of the things that I find interesting about this is There's a certain obsession with the trials, an obsession with all the minutia of what happened. | ||
| And I think what you said a moment ago is right. | ||
| It's like, you guys have to make snap decisions. | ||
| It doesn't mean all the decisions are right. | ||
| But then months later, you got lawyers and judges and trial experts and everybody looking at everything with a microscope. | ||
| And it's like, that's not exactly how it all happens in real life. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, you gotta think of this. | ||
| You know, some people have probably experienced a dramatic situation where they felt afraid or a tense situation where sometimes they feel like they froze or they had tunnel vision or they didn't know what was going on. | ||
| They're shaking. | ||
| Adrenaline is rushing. | ||
| You gotta imagine The police officers are experiencing what you are experiencing, but then have to make a decision whether to kill somebody or not, or whether to, you know, do different arrests or chase in a split second. | ||
| And then after the fact, people Monday morning quarterback and say, you know, I wouldn't have done it. | ||
| You shouldn't have shot that person. | ||
| But it's like the same fear that you feel from somebody knocking on your door whom you don't know who it is, you know, which is nowhere near the fear of a man pulling a gun out on you or you think he's pulling a gun out on you. | ||
| I just wish that people could have a glimpse into policing where they could say, | ||
| "Okay, I understand. | ||
| I may not agree, the cop may be wrong, but at least I'm coming from a standpoint and saying, | ||
| I understand the stress, I understand what these officers may go through. | ||
| There may be another side of this that I may need to consider | ||
| before making a formal conclusion." | ||
| So the goal is not to convince or brainwash anybody into anything, | ||
| but to say there's another side of this that you may wanna be privy to | ||
| so you can make an educated opinion about things that go on in law enforcement. | ||
| You talk about the media a lot in the book, obviously. | ||
| I mean, is that problem that you're laying out right there, is that purely on the media or should the police departments be doing something different? | ||
| Should the, you know, local, the mayors, the governors, like where does that really fall when you have that disconnect between what's really going on and then what we see? | ||
| I think there's blame to go around in all aspects. | ||
| Law enforcement, I would like to consider them to hold themselves accountable as well, and that we need to work on our messaging. | ||
| We need to work on being more involved in the community. | ||
| We need to recruit individuals from the community to be a part of the police department. | ||
| So the police department has an objective, you know, the leaders, local government, they | ||
| have an objective as well. | ||
| I mean, they need to push and promote and support the joining together of the community | ||
| and police and also parents, people who are in the community. | ||
| It's not just the police officers. | ||
| You need to raise your children in a way in which you're not demonizing law enforcement | ||
| before they ever have an interaction. | ||
| Why can't you go out as a community leader and say, look, we want to be more involved | ||
| We want to do ride alongs. | ||
| Everybody together should work in a sense to make sure that that connection happens. | ||
| I don't believe it's just one side or the other. | ||
| I think everybody has to come together and then we can see a better, more equitable relationship between law enforcement and the community. | ||
| Right, that was equitable in a good sense, not the way that the word is usually used. | ||
| How worried are you that basically what has happened now in the Democrat cities, in the progressive cities, is they've demonized the police to such a point and defunded the police to such a point. | ||
| That not only are you gonna get less qualified people, but that the breakdown is just too severe. | ||
| Sort of like in Minneapolis, Ilhan Omar, she defunded the police, and then when people saw crime spike and murder spike and everything else, what'd she do? | ||
| She blamed the police for not doing their job because there weren't enough of them. | ||
| I mean, it's extraordinary. | ||
| You gotta kind of admire the evil. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, these people are, I think that they are not acting in good faith, right? | ||
| I believe they push rhetoric that they think could be trendy enough to get them elected, but it doesn't have real life application. | ||
| And in many cases, they would love to see things get destroyed so they can be the focus of change. | ||
| You know, it's like, no, you created the problem. | ||
| Now you want to be the solution to the problem. | ||
| You know, and I think that that's where they're coming from. | ||
| The citizens are experiencing this. | ||
| I mean, when you demoralize the police, because defunding the police, happens in a fiscal year, right? | ||
| So if you talk about defunding now, you have to wait to the next budget | ||
| then to cut the budget. | ||
| So they may not have the effects of the defunding until the next fiscal year. | ||
| However, when you mention it, you start to demoralize the police department, | ||
| you start to create rhetoric and the morale of the police department begin to crumble. | ||
| Police begin to, or they eliminate proactive policing, which is one of the main key of policing | ||
| to help the community and to stop crime is being proactive. | ||
| That perspective of policing begins to go away. | ||
| good officers with training and experience and leadership leave the police department through retirement. | ||
| And then you have young people coming up with no guidance, young people coming up lost in the police department. | ||
| And then if you don't pay them well, the people who are good and they'll get another job, | ||
| then you're gonna be stuck with people who may not, not everybody, but may not be as qualified. | ||
| And then you have unqualified police without proper training and finance. | ||
| So I really wish that people would take a step back and look at it and say, | ||
| what are the complaints of law enforcement? | ||
| OK, we didn't need better training. | ||
| OK, we need more funding so that we can train officers, recruit better officers. | ||
| That takes more money, not less money. | ||
| Now, you can reallocate funds if you feel like there's wasteful spending. | ||
| But to completely, you know, defund, I was going to say devalue, demonetize, but defund the police. | ||
| We'll be demonetized. | ||
| We know that. | ||
| I'm so used to that word demonetization. | ||
| So, you know, to, you know, to defund the police is not, it's not a winning strategy. | ||
| And the crime rate has spoken on their behalf. | ||
| Do you see any hope in that regard, that as we've seen these cities defund, I mean, Seattle did a major defund push, we got chopped, crime went crazy, murders, I think something like up 600%, but now suddenly they're saying, okay, maybe we're not gonna fully defund, or the mayor of even crazy Portland, who got heckled out of his own apartment, had to leave because of protesters and move, suddenly he's moving a little against it. | ||
| Do you see some hope in some of these places? | ||
| Yeah, I think that things ebb and flow. | ||
| You know, you're going to have police becoming excellent, and then you're going to have times where they hate the police. | ||
| And I think that we're experiencing that now because it's a mathematical equation. | ||
| It's very simple. | ||
| There's no way to evade it. | ||
| If you defund the police, you lose police officers, then you cannot have an adequate amount of people to push law and order. | ||
| And so people are going to do crimes. | ||
| And here's another thing. | ||
| In addition to defunding the police and demoralizing the police, when you have the prosecutors Not even prosecuting people on crimes, especially in places like California and different places where you can steal $900 worth of stuff and you're not going to be prosecuted. | ||
| When you couple that with defunding the police, I mean, a city cannot exist. | ||
| A city cannot stand. | ||
| Small businesses cannot live. | ||
| Even major corporations have the financial support to leave a city. | ||
| And then you have an economic structure that's, you know, downtrodden or destroyed in some of these cities where you see the proliferation of violence and proliferation of theft. | ||
| I mean, we see it all over the country now. | ||
| People are just bomb rushing these places, stealing hundreds of thousands of millions of dollars worth of property. | ||
| It can only go on so long before people begin to say, OK, enough is enough. | ||
| There's no way we can survive this. | ||
| You know, people are dying every day in the streets. | ||
| I come outside. | ||
| I used to be able to have my car to park it on the street. | ||
| Now it's getting vandalized. | ||
| People taking my property. | ||
| I don't feel safe. | ||
| When that begins to happen, you see the character of people voting. | ||
| You see that begin to change. | ||
| I went out to dinner in San Francisco with our friend, Candace Owens. | ||
| We went to a nice steak joint, Morton Steakhouse, on a nice street in San Francisco a couple of years ago. | ||
| Our car got broken into. | ||
| They stole my bag with my notebooks and my clothes and my Nintendo Wii, the whole thing. | ||
| And I took pictures of the broken glass outside the restaurant. | ||
| And I said, hey, my car just got broke into, or the car that was driving us around just got broke into while we were in San Francisco. | ||
| And I had, I kid you not, Thousands of responses basically saying, what kind of idiot leaves a bag in a car on the street in San Francisco? | ||
| That's how bad it's gotten. | ||
| Yeah, that's troubling, man. | ||
| I mean, I don't know if we're getting desensitized to crime, but it's like in a normal sense, maybe even before, you know, a decade, a couple of decades ago, this probably wouldn't have been as prevalent. | ||
| Like you should be able To believe that people aren't going to take your property that belongs to you. | ||
| We don't live in a society where you could just break the law just because you feel like it. | ||
| And if you do break the law, there should be accountability. | ||
| And now people expect you to say, oh, you can't leave your stuff in the car, even though it belongs to you. | ||
| Even though you lock your car, you can't leave it in there because somehow the burden is on you to protect your property from people who are thieving. | ||
| And I don't think that's the way society is structured and the way it should work. | ||
| The way that we should look at society is that if it don't belong to you, you shouldn't put your hands on it. | ||
| If you don't live there, you shouldn't be going into somebody else's property. | ||
| It's that simple. | ||
| And if you do, you have to be held accountable. | ||
| And that's in the cities where they believe law and order is important and they fund their police and they support investigations like that. | ||
| Because I know that people may think it's a small deal, man, but I bet you were hurt over losing that stuff. | ||
| You felt violated. | ||
| That's a real feeling. | ||
| And for cities to defund the police and say, oh, that's not a big deal. | ||
| No, it's a big deal to you. | ||
| That's going to affect your life and your emotionally. | ||
| I really wish they would change the way they perceive criminal behavior, and that's to start cracking down on it. | ||
| Yeah, and it was more the way that so many people were just saying the same thing, like, ah, what kind of idiot does that? | ||
| As if you just don't, it's like we've all just accepted the horror that is going on up there. | ||
| What kind of pushback do you get from officers who say, well, actually, if we don't, Prosecute some of these crimes. | ||
| Maybe that helps us because we're not stretched as thin. | ||
| Some of these people, they're either on drugs or mentally ill. | ||
| Like, that's not exactly what we should be doing. | ||
| Like, how does that conversation go? | ||
| Well, I believe most reasonable officers don't disagree with me, because if we don't prosecute these people, they don't just disappear, right? | ||
| If you're smoking crack today, you're going to be smoking crack tomorrow. | ||
| And if you're breaking into buildings today, you're going to be breaking in tomorrow. | ||
| Most officers would agree that we need to be stronger on it, and the prosecutors need to prosecute people and actually take them to jail for the things that they do. | ||
| Um, just like we saw in Wisconsin, you know, you got the guy running over people. | ||
| He had just made a cash bail of like a thousand dollars and he's a convicted felon. | ||
| He is a dangerous criminal. | ||
| He should have never been on the streets. | ||
| And so when you do things like bail reform and all this crazy stuff that they do, this person is the next crime. | ||
| This person is the next suspect in a violent murder. | ||
| And so law enforcement officers, and I don't get much pushback from it, but those who may want to push back, it's like, use your common sense. | ||
| Like, we do need to hold these people accountable. | ||
| Just because if marijuana is legal, that does not mean that people aren't going to, the crime that's associated with marijuana uses, the sales, the production, the shipping, even illegal marijuana, that's not going to stop because it's legal. | ||
| You can make heroin legal. | ||
| That's not going to stop people from the effects of heroin, the criminal element of heroin, the violence that come along with heroin, the gun violence that's associated with these things. | ||
| They're going to still persist. | ||
| It's not going to stop just because a law says it's legal or illegal. | ||
| Yeah, it's funny because it's like, I can make a lot of good libertarian arguments on legalizing and all sorts of stuff, but as I've discussed with Michael Malice many times, it's like, you still don't want the crack house next door, whether it's legal or illegal. | ||
| You know it comes with a whole bunch of stuff. | ||
| So you do write about a bunch of the names that we've all heard about over these last couple of years. | ||
| But you know what, before we get into that, since you mentioned what happened just now in Wisconsin and the cash bail that let this guy out, What would you say is the most shocking part of this? | ||
| I mean, I talked about on the show this morning how within two, three days of this thing happening, it's off the CNN front page. | ||
| They're just not talking about it because it doesn't fit the narrative. | ||
| I don't care about the race of the perpetrator or the victims. | ||
| They do, right? | ||
| Like, they like race stuff, but this one didn't fit the equation for them. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I mean, it's shocking. | ||
| I mean, it's not shocking to me, it's disappointing to me that the media is just, they're not genuine. | ||
| I mean, this guy, this is almost as significant as a terrorist attack. | ||
| I mean, these are two situations that we've seen the media just blow under the rug. | ||
| You got this one in Wisconsin, where a man is involved in domestic violence. | ||
| I think he ran his girlfriend leg over, then he plows through children. | ||
| This is, this is, you know, I don't know, I can't, I don't want to say this and get it wrong because I don't know what the death toll of the Boston bombing was, but you got to think a crowd of people getting mowed down. | ||
| Little kids are getting mowed down. | ||
| People have died. | ||
| People were dead on the scene of this maniac. | ||
| And this guy is a, is a criminal, a profound criminal. | ||
| If this guy was white and ran down a group of black people chanting in the middle of the street, We will hear non-stop. | ||
| We still hear about Charlottesville. | ||
| It was one guy who they determined was a white supremacist. | ||
| He killed one person. | ||
| Then he ran over maybe six people, killed one person. | ||
| They still talking about that. | ||
| They're still saying it's a systemic problem in our country, racism. | ||
| And the guy ran over and killed a white person. | ||
| A black person does it to all white people. | ||
| With racial undertones, in my opinion. | ||
| You can see the social media posts. | ||
| I mean, you're not making it up, obviously. | ||
| Yeah, it's there. | ||
| And then also, they go on and on about Kyle Rittinghouse. | ||
| He's a white supremacist. | ||
| I mean, Kyle Rittinghouse is gonna break the record for the most lawsuit victories possible because they all disparaged him. | ||
| However, he was not guilty. | ||
| He always have been not guilty. | ||
| He's not even close. | ||
| But they bash him in the media. | ||
| The black kid in Dallas, Texas, who went into the school—I think it was in Arlington, technically—he went into the school, he got into a fight, he pulled a gun out and shot three or four people. | ||
| The 17-year-old kid that he shot is in critical condition. | ||
| This kid got out the next day and threw a party. | ||
| His family came out and said that he was bullied. | ||
| The black police chief came out and said he wasn't bullied. | ||
| And I know people in the community that told me that he was selling drugs, and what happened is he messed somebody out of their money, so he had to carry a gun around in case they tried him. | ||
| And he ended up getting into a fight and shooting people. | ||
| This is an active school shooter, and he get out the next day, and they don't even talk about it. | ||
| I haven't even heard about it. | ||
| Yeah, nobody's heard about it. | ||
| That big smiling picture. | ||
| I mean, it's just, it's pretty extraordinary. | ||
| On the Rittenhouse one, the meme out there seemed to be that this guy is a white supremacist. | ||
| And if you listen to half the media, it was basically He shot three black people. | ||
| He did not shoot any black people. | ||
| This was a white kid, shot white people in self-defense. | ||
| The whole thing was screwed up. | ||
| How do we get past some of this stuff? | ||
| I mean, how do we show people this is just not true? | ||
| Well, hopefully the people who want to be informed will watch the trial, at least watch highlights of the trial, and come up with their own conclusion about what happens. | ||
| Because when you listen to the mainstream reader, you will be deceived, right? | ||
| They make the picture of this guy, and even to this day, you see Black Lives Matter out protesting at the verdict. | ||
| It's like, Dude, this was a white guy who they consider a suspect. | ||
| And then you have white victims, you have a white judge, you have a white prosecutor, you have a white defense team. | ||
| What are y'all even talking about? | ||
| This has nothing to do with black people. | ||
| This has nothing to do with black in general. | ||
| And if you want to make the argument and say, this is a white supremacy, a picture of white supremacy and criminal justice, which white people? | ||
| The white people that died, they didn't get no justice. | ||
| I mean, if you feel like they were unlawfully shot, they didn't get any justice. | ||
| It's just foolery. | ||
| They made a mockery. | ||
| And the sad part is that they're willing to forego the rights of individuals, the constitutional rights of individuals, somebody's dignity. | ||
| Martin Luther King died in an effort to help us understand that we should all be | ||
| treated equally. | ||
| They are foregoing Martin Luther King, all of our ancestors, all of the wars that have | ||
| fought, just to push an agenda, in my opinion, to sell advertisement and fear. | ||
| This kid was never a white supremacist. | ||
| And then they connected him to the Proud Boys. | ||
| The vice president of the Proud Boys, who I think he went to jail for burning a BLM | ||
| flag, he's a black man. | ||
| He's the vice president or like the chair of the Proud Boys. | ||
| I have interacted with Proud Boys all the time. | ||
| And I've interacted with black ones, Hispanic ones. | ||
| I was in LA and they came to one of my events to help do security just on their own. | ||
| And most of them were Hispanic. | ||
| So it's like, It's a rhetoric that's being pushed, and I'm hoping that people see the hypocrisy. | ||
| At minimum, when he's found not guilty, at least go back and say, well, why did he was found not guilty? | ||
| Let me go do some research instead of just blaming it on the system. | ||
| So going into some of those other names, obviously we don't have to cover all of them, but because you hit on some of the names that we've heard a lot of over the last couple of years, is there one particular one, either the trial or the events that unfolded, that you think was most egregious, sort of in the way police were treated, or the result of it, or whatever else? | ||
| Yeah, I think I mentioned a few of them. | ||
| I kind of lumped a couple of them together. | ||
| One instance that I think is still to this day one of the most egregious was Michael Brown. | ||
| They still are saying, hands up, don't shoot. | ||
| They are still pushing this rhetoric and agenda. | ||
| And that, to me, has stimulated all of this fear and hate and misinformation, and where you can just blatantly lie about the police, and it's just acceptable. | ||
| You could say that the black man had his hands up and was executed in the middle of the street, and that's totally fine. | ||
| Even though the DOJ, with a black president, a black attorney general, found that the officer did nothing wrong, You still can push that, and that leads to the Jacob Blakes. | ||
| That leads to all of these other cases, some of which I speak about in the book. | ||
| That leads to Breonna Taylor, where you could just make up that she was sleeping in her bed. | ||
| You could just make up she was an EMT and they hit the wrong house. | ||
| When she was on the search warrant, she was involved in a criminal enterprise. | ||
| And unfortunately, her boyfriend, Shot a cop at the door and they returned fire and she ended up dying subsequently. | ||
| But you can just make up the fact that Jacob Blake was doing nothing wrong when he had a knife in his hand and he was actually trespassed from the area. | ||
| He was area restricted because he had sexually assaulted his baby mama. | ||
| He shows up. | ||
| She calls the police. | ||
| He has a knife. | ||
| They shoot him. | ||
| You can just blatantly say that they shot him for no reason. | ||
| Macabre, that gone away because they knew the girl was trying to stab that other girl | ||
| when she got shot by the police. | ||
| You can blatantly say they gunned down a 16 year old girl with no unarmed and the people sitting there at the scene | ||
| saw that she had the knife. | ||
| And they go on TV and say she was unarmed. | ||
| Because in our society today, because of Michael Brown, you can just make up whatever you want and you can cry over it. | ||
| It's crazy to me. | ||
| That one, when we've all seen the video, she's got the knife. | ||
| She could basically either stab the other girl or decapitate her in that moment. | ||
| And people are going, oh, he shoulda shot the leg, or he shoulda shot, or he shoulda used a taser, et cetera, et cetera. | ||
| It's like, I guess at some level, that sort of makes sense. | ||
| Like, you don't wanna kill somebody, obviously. | ||
| You don't wanna lethally shoot somebody. | ||
| On the other hand, the person who's about to be killed, they need to be saved. | ||
| To me, that one, because it was just so obvious, to be angry at that police officer who's trying to save someone's life, woke up that morning, did not know he was gonna have to save someone's life, And he's a freaking big-ass knife. | ||
| He's a hero. | ||
| I mean, essentially, he's a hero. | ||
| I bet the parent of the girl that was gonna get stabbed think, I mean, I don't know these days, but you would imagine that the parents think that he's a hero. | ||
| I mean, you gotta understand, people who have not been a police officer, | ||
| the way he handled himself and the way he was able to use force | ||
| against only that one person, he hit nobody else, | ||
| he used the amount of force necessary to prevent her from killing the other girl, | ||
| the guy was composed, he did his doggone job. | ||
| And it's a split-second decision. | ||
| You gotta think, he see the 16-year-old girl, but he also see another young lady | ||
| that needs her life saved, and he did what he had to do to make that happen, | ||
| and LeBron James come out and demonize the man, | ||
| and it's like, listen, Dave, it's a bigger problem | ||
| than just misunderstanding. | ||
| There is an effort and an ignorance within a large population of our community, the black community and the community at large, of people just being dumb. | ||
| I mean, they don't do any research. | ||
| They don't look at nothing. | ||
| People still think Kyle Rittenhouse killed black people. | ||
| Like some people still are saying Black Lives Matter, he can kill them black people. | ||
| If people even after the do Andrew, I think his name was Andrew Coffey. | ||
| He was, he got off the same day as Kyle Rittenhouse on a self-defense case | ||
| when he killed a police officer in a SWAT raid. | ||
| I believe the verdict was, I mean, I accept the verdict. | ||
| I didn't watch the trial, so I don't know if the verdict was right or not, according to my opinion, but I accept it. | ||
| But you gotta, if he was black, if Kyle Rittenhouse was black, this wouldn't have happened. | ||
| Well, you got a black man right here that killed a white, I don't know if the guy was white, but he killed a police officer. | ||
| This is prime real estate for the racist justice, criminal justice system to throw a black man under the bus, and he gets off on a self-defense charge. | ||
| Come on, man, like you can't give them more evidence and they just don't receive it. | ||
| Brandon, I assure you that the pandemic of dumb people has nothing to do with anyone's skin color. | ||
| You know, this is this thing is across the system right now. | ||
| Absolutely across the system. | ||
| Do you sense that this is all ramping up again? | ||
| It seems to me like, you know, we had all the riots and the BLM stuff and the Antifa stuff before the election. | ||
| Then we sort of got the results that the mainstream wanted. | ||
| Okay, Joe Biden's president. | ||
| We had 10 months of nothing. | ||
| Then in the last month, it seems like the race stuff is starting to bubble up again. | ||
| We get the Kyle Rittenhouse verdict. | ||
| We get what happened just now in Wisconsin. | ||
| It feels like it's about to all start again. | ||
| Almost as if, and I think this is sort of what you're saying, it's kind of manipulated. | ||
| This isn't all organic bubbling up from the bottom. | ||
| Frustrated kids. | ||
| Yeah, if you think about it, these occurrences of police getting into shootings with people or shooting people unarmed or whatever it could be, this is consistent every year. | ||
| There's nothing new. | ||
| Funny thing is, is when election time comes around, it's all of a sudden the biggest thing that have ever happened to us in world history. | ||
| I mean, this is what they make it out to be. | ||
| They did Ahmaud Arbery's case and Kyle Rittinghouse case almost simultaneously. | ||
| And I think they did it for a purpose because You had Kyle Rittenhouse, which I think that they wish that he was found not guilty, and they could have said, look, white supremacy. | ||
| And then the McMichaels, where they believe that they will be found guilty, which they did today, they were going to say, look, white supremacy. | ||
| These are two cases that they can compile together to cause the world to have an uproar for the next I don't know how many months. | ||
| I mean, they are just pushing this and pushing it and pushing it. | ||
| And with the pandemic and everything else, they are creating a crescendo of violence and tension amongst us. | ||
| Because the biggest thing isn't just the killing, it's the racial tension. | ||
| It's the fact that the President of the United States claimed that Kyle Rittenhouse, pretty much, I'm paraphrasing, that this is somewhat of an injustice. | ||
| He just said that the McMichaels got convicted, which I disagree with the conviction, but I accept the verdict, that they got convicted today and then we have a long way to go in our society until we, what do you mean? | ||
| In our society, you should be able to break into people's houses and do whatever you want and not be held accountable to it. | ||
| In our society, I mean, they stoke these things because it makes black people mad, it makes white people mad, and they want us to hate each other. | ||
| And if we keep hating each other, they come out during the election season and say, look, I'm going to be a part of the change. | ||
| Y'all creating a problem. | ||
| You a part of the change? | ||
| Nah, not really. | ||
| You just mentioned something interesting, which I agree with. | ||
| This idea that they sort of wanted the result that they got at the Rittenhouse trial. | ||
| Because if he had been convicted, well then they would have had to calm down for a little bit. | ||
| That would be the natural inclination. | ||
| Like, oh, the system must work. | ||
| I guess it isn't a white supremacist system. | ||
| I guess the patriarchy isn't as scary. | ||
| But that's not what they want. | ||
| They don't want the pressure taken off, right? | ||
| The activists I'm talking about, the base, they want the result that seems like the bad result because that adds fuel to the fire. | ||
| I mean, that's a very dangerous place to be in. | ||
| So that no matter what happens, you're going to be angry. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, they want it from both sides. | ||
| I mean, think about this for a minute. | ||
| They, when Kyle Reddinghaus' verdict came out, they are up, the world is in, white supremacy is stronger than ever. | ||
| They compared, I think they compared it to like Emmett Till. | ||
| I was like, y'all are just out of control. | ||
| And then when the McMichaels were found guilty, This is this this should have been a time to say, well, this was the right verdict. | ||
| In their opinion, this is the right verdict. | ||
| And we know this is a time to say, finally, they got it right. | ||
| And we got so far to go. | ||
| It's like you can't have it both ways. | ||
| You can't say because the verdict wasn't in my favor. | ||
| The whole system is wrong. | ||
| White supremacy is as worse as it's ever been. | ||
| And then the verdict is in your favor because they found them and Michaels and all three of them guilty of all eight charges or whatever they were charged with. | ||
| And they're going to spend the rest of their lives in prison. | ||
| And now that the verdict is your way, now all of a sudden, this is what justice looks like. | ||
| It's like, wait a minute, man, is the criminal justice system racist and systemically racist or is it not? | ||
| But they are mad when it is, they're mad when it isn't. | ||
| They just live in a constant state of just hatred and turmoil and revenge. | ||
| So I know that you and Candace and Larry Elder and Thomas Sowell and many other, David Webb, many other black conservatives, you guys get hit from both sides, of course, and get some of the worst possible stuff said about you that is really unimaginable at this point from the so-called tolerant people, usually. | ||
| But what do you make of the people on the other side of this? | ||
| And I hate to play the identity politics game, But like, when you watch Joy Reid, or you see the clips of Joy Reid on MSNBC, or you see Michael Eric Dyson, or Al Sharpton, or the usual suspects that are racializing everything, constantly saying the most anti-white, racist stuff you can imagine, is it just purely like, it's the grift? | ||
| It's just the grift with these people? | ||
| Do they believe it? | ||
| What do you think? | ||
| You know what? | ||
| It's hard to tell, you know, Michael Eric Dyson. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I think that some of these individuals, they have built their whole life around this, around this victim mentality, and they can't deviate because they've written books. | ||
| They have made a name saying that I'm fighting for justice, piggybacking on real people who are fighting for justice, like Martin Luther King. | ||
| But they're piggybacking on these people, and that's their whole identity. | ||
| So they can't deviate from an identity because they lose everything. | ||
| And they are afraid they're going to get called a sellout, Uncle Tom Coon, because no matter how much you've been doing work for black people in the community, you do one thing that they don't agree with. | ||
| You ain't never been black. | ||
| And so I often wonder, you know, they think the same thing about us, which is very interesting to me. | ||
| And I tell people this, I say, they think we crazy, we think they crazy. | ||
| How do you determine who's right or wrong? | ||
| Look at facts. | ||
| There is no factual basis that there's systemic racism in our country. | ||
| There are racist people, duh! | ||
| There's going to be racist people till we all die. | ||
| I mean, till Jesus come back to earth, even if it's a thousand years from now, there are going to be people who hate other people for whatever reason. | ||
| If you go to an all-white community, white people mad at other white people for whatever reasons, you know what I'm saying? | ||
| And you go to a black community, you too light-skinned, you too dark-skinned, and you poe, you think you saididdy, you speak proper English. | ||
| Like, even within communities that are the same race, they have problems. | ||
| We're going to always have these problems. | ||
| But then you have to say, what statistical data are you drawing from that will give you an inference to say that this country is the most racist country ever? | ||
| The system is not built for African Americans. | ||
| You say, well, what constitution, what part of the constitution that deemed that black people aren't a part of that document? | ||
| Oh, you have none. | ||
| What law specifically is targeting black people? | ||
| Oh, you have none. | ||
| And Thomas Sowell, and you interviewed Thomas Sowell, and I watch the interview all the time. | ||
| And he wrote a book called Discrimination and Disparities. | ||
| I may have it backwards. | ||
| Discrimination and Disparities. | ||
| I've got it right over here. | ||
| Discrimination and Disparities. | ||
| Discrimination and Disparities. | ||
| I read the first couple chapters of that book, and I feel like I'm the smartest man in the world. | ||
| But the thing is that Thomas Sowell talks about this, that just because there's disparities don't mean that there's discrimination. | ||
| You know, so they conflate disparities with racism. | ||
| You know, they never talk about the fact that men represent the prison system far beyond what women are. | ||
| Is it sexism? | ||
| Is the prison system sexist? | ||
| No, it's not. | ||
| It's the behaviors of men that lead more men to go to jail. | ||
| Just because black people are overrepresented in the criminal justice system, does that mean the criminal justice system is racist? | ||
| No. | ||
| One tell sign is that black men commit 54% of the murders in this country. | ||
| Most violent crimes are committed by black men in America. | ||
| So when you look at these numbers, you say that can be a correlation to why there's disparities. | ||
| That doesn't mean discrimination and racism. | ||
| However, they use those stats to push an agenda instead of sitting back and saying, okay, All of us have worked together to build this beautiful country, no matter who you are. | ||
| Gay, straight, black, white, Asian, immigrant, where you were born here, Native American. | ||
| We've all worked together to a certain degree to get our country to this point. | ||
| You can go back and look in history from the founding. | ||
| You can go back and look at the abolitionists and Harriet Tubman. | ||
| You can go back and look at the fact that black people did not have the right to vote. | ||
| They didn't have a right to do any of that stuff. | ||
| How did they get it? | ||
| Good white people decided that it was not right to not allow black citizens or black people to not be citizens, to have the right to vote, all of these things. | ||
| So when you look at it, We've all worked together. | ||
| We've all fought in these wars to create a better America. | ||
| And when you see people deviating from that, you realize that they're probably not truthful. | ||
| And you know, one of the things you realize after reading that soul book, or any of his books, is that if you don't have disparities, you do have actual discrimination. | ||
| Because disparities, it's like if you had a country that was 80% white and 20% black, are you saying that you want the prison population to be exactly that? | ||
| To make everybody feel better? | ||
| Or should it have something to do with who's committing the crime? | ||
| I mean, so you're right on the facts stuff, but man, it's hard to un-brainwash people. | ||
| Have you had some luck in that department? | ||
| I know you have. | ||
| Well, I tell you what, thank God that there are some people that are waking up. | ||
| And you know what, the way I look at it is that It's planting seeds. | ||
| So what I do on my social media, and I reach, you know, millions of people a month, is that I say, you know, I'm just planting seeds. | ||
| Not everybody's going to wake up immediately. | ||
| Not everybody's going to receive what I have to say. | ||
| But, dude, I get so many messages on a day-to-day basis of people saying, you know what, man, you woke me up, man. | ||
| Thank you, man. | ||
| I used to not even like you. | ||
| That's what they say. | ||
| I used to hate you, man. | ||
| And then I just kept listening. | ||
| I realized, man, you're telling the truth. | ||
| And so there is some achievement in pursuing truth because Truth transcends race. | ||
| If somebody's telling the truth, at some point, you're going to hear it, and truth will resonate with you if you're seeking truth. | ||
| And you're going to say, I may not like the way he dressed. | ||
| I may not like the way he said. | ||
| I might not like how he said. | ||
| I may not agree with his religion. | ||
| But man, I tell you what, that's the truth. | ||
| It may hurt my feelings, but it's the truth. | ||
| And inevitably, the people who are actually seeking truth, they find it. | ||
| And I've found that a lot more people People are starting to figure out what the truth is. | ||
| Yeah, well, listen, as long as I've known you, you've been a guy pursuing truth. | ||
| And I'll tell people a little insider thing. | ||
| You went on after me at a turning point thing, and you turned to me, and you go, I'm nervous. | ||
| And I'm like, what? | ||
| You're nervous following me? | ||
| I go up there, I speak calmly forever. | ||
| You go up there, you were screaming and dancing with the crowd and everything. | ||
| And I was like, something is very, very, very backwards here. | ||
| But I enjoy being on the adventure with you, man. | ||
| Well, I appreciate it, Dave. | ||
| Thank you for having me on, man. | ||
| I mean, you're a tremendous influence, and I really appreciate it, man. | ||
| The fact that this is, I think, our third interview, and I feel like every time we have a conversation, it's always good and productive. | ||
| So I really thank you and appreciate you for having me on. | ||
| Good seeing you. | ||
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