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How CRT Backfired & Blew Up in Democrats' Faces | Christopher Rufo | POLITICS | Rubin Report
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Good, good.
christopher f rufo
We're live, huh?
dave rubin
You have to follow Douglas Murray.
That's not easy.
christopher f rufo
Yeah, that's right.
He's always the best dressed.
You and him are both very well dressed.
dave rubin
You're doing all right.
christopher f rufo
You're doing all right.
dave rubin
I'm trying.
So look, everyone knows my feelings on people that just talk for a living versus people that actually do things.
You're on the short list of people that do things.
You've really started getting some wins against Critical Race Theory.
It's pretty freaking impressive, man.
christopher f rufo
That's right, yeah.
We've gotten wins in the policy sphere.
We've gotten bills and Board of Education directives in 10 states covering 75 million people.
dave rubin
They're telling us to talk a little louder if possible.
christopher f rufo
Yeah, talk louder.
And I think, too, one of the things that's really been fun is that this was a Not in the consciousness of the American public a year ago, and now you heard even today at the conference, Josh Hawley talking about it, Ted Cruz talking about it, Marco Rubio talking about it.
The people who are in positions of high politics have absorbed the information, the praxis, the language that we've uncovered and created in the last year.
And it's turning into a political issue because people care about it.
You know, when you actually talk about parents, families, real people, this engages them at that emotional level.
And when you connect with that, the sky's the limit.
dave rubin
In a weird way, was it almost a blessing in disguise that they started coming after kids now, the way that they did?
Of course we don't want that to be, but you see what's going on in Virginia right now, and it's like, maybe it's going to be Critical Race Theory and McAuliffe who keep saying that parents don't have a right to be involved in their children's education.
It's so over-the-top bananas that a guy like you, you must be like, thank you Terry McAuliffe, I appreciate it.
christopher f rufo
Yeah, and the numbers are pretty stunning.
You have, two months ago, Glenn Youngkin pivoted his campaign.
He made Critical Race Theory his closing argument.
And then all of a sudden, once he started talking and connecting with people, you see that the issue among voters goes to number one.
And then you see a 42-point shift in those voters towards Junkin, because he's connecting with something that matters, and then aided by McAuliffe's gaffe, where he's saying, parents should be out of the classroom.
dave rubin
Crazy, crazy.
christopher f rufo
And then you see, wow, this is a gaffe that reveals his true thing.
He's going to walk it back.
He doubled down just yesterday on Meet the Press or one of the morning shows.
He said, oh yeah, I was completely right.
And everybody clapped.
Everybody clapped in his mind, but no voters in Virginia are clapping for that because it's one thing when you say, well, you've talked to so many people.
These are the problems in the universities.
This is the corruption in academia.
This is what's going wrong in the bureaucracy.
The average American say, yeah, that's wrong.
That's stupid.
That's corrupt.
It doesn't affect me.
But when you put that between parent and child, you're activating a different set of reactions and a different set of emotions.
And you're now getting that ferocious pushback where people who are even saying I'm on the left.
I'm a Democrat.
I voted for Biden.
But I don't want this.
What do we need to do to get rid of this?
And I get it.
Yeah.
dave rubin
I mean, you're going to attack kids.
It's one thing when people let themselves be attacked, but you start attacking the kids, something does change.
What do you think are the next places we could get some wins?
Let's assume that this goes well tomorrow.
I mean, obviously, fingers crossed.
It seems like it sends a message.
But where are the other places that you're working on some stuff right now?
christopher f rufo
I mean, the great thing about this is it's decentralized.
It's a grassroots movement with some of us in a leadership position, but not in a top-down position.
We're providing information, we're providing vocabulary, we're providing some inspiration.
But you have, I think now, more than a thousand school districts, parents that are rallying together to fighting against this at the local level.
And we can replicate this on the different axes of this cultural battle.
So we're doing critical race theory.
We can see an analogous movement if we get some better leadership on critical gender theory.
We can see an analogous movement on all these different axes or verticals of these cultural battles that are starting to seep into mainstream culture, that are starting to affect people directly.
And I talk to people all the time in my community.
Normal, small town.
That they're really for the first time starting to ask questions.
And if we can provide a trail of answers to those questions, we can now mobilize people in a way where I sometimes feel like even this group, this is a fairly large group, but it's a very small group compared to the billions upon billions of dollars that are pumped into these ideologies in the opposition.
But we have something that I think is powerful for people and I think with Critical Racer we've demonstrated with like me, James, Lindsey, you, a couple guys and gals.
dave rubin
Yeah.
christopher f rufo
We can actually force them on the defensive.
And I think that's, to me, the greatest hope.
Is that a small group of people with a fierce commitment to the truth, with a sophisticated strategy to subvert this stuff, can move the needle.
dave rubin
That's why they hate you so much, because you're going on the offensive.
Rufo's weaponizing truth!
He's attacking us!
We're the ones that are supposed to be attacked!
christopher f rufo
They're used to a pathetic defensive strategy.
Oh, we're going to protest this.
We don't like this.
But eventually they know they're going to fold.
And what are we defending at this point?
The territory is so limited.
I think we have no choice but to actually go on offense.
And it's a rich environment.
This stuff is ridiculous.
It should be mocked.
It should be exposed.
The people who are using your money, my money, taxpayer money, to promote it should be humiliated.
This is why Trump being out of the spotlight is, I think, going to provide a new space for some of this discussion.
Because they can't just say, well, Trump bad.
Trump's gone.
Trump's on the sidelines.
For now.
For now.
But let's really kind of dig into the issues.
Let's dig into the substance of it.
That's not a useful kind of brain-sucking device.
People are thinking.
And with Bill Maher, I mean, we have to just point out logically.
You have the premise.
The conclusion is built into your premise.
And you don't have to be a Ted Cruz-supporting Republican.
But just cross off the line to say, we don't want this.
Just cross that line.
He's close.
dave rubin
And ironically, Bill Maher would be welcomed at a conference like this.
A lot of people would say, hey, we disagree with your bunch of stuff, but they'd love him.
christopher f rufo
They'd love him, yeah.
dave rubin
All right, that is the message to Bill Maher and the remaining liberals.
Be like this guy who went all the way, and you're actually changing the world, man.
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All right.
dave rubin
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