Oct. 3, 2021 - Rubin Report - Dave Rubin
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| I mean, look, he's the kind of guy, just understand the psychology, right? | ||
| He's the kind of guy where if, you know, if he thought, and again, I'm not saying this is what happened. | ||
| I'm saying, just talking his perspective, if he thought he'd be beaten fair and square, he'd say, all right. | ||
| And he, you know, he'd pack up, he'd go home. | ||
| But if he thought something was stolen from him, If he thought something was taken away from him, | ||
| then does he really seem like the kind of guy that's just gonna let that happen? | ||
| That's just gonna let that slide? | ||
| Of course not, no. | ||
| He's gonna be the guy who's gonna wanna get back in and take back what he, right or wrong, | ||
| views as something that is rightfully his. | ||
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| I'm Dave Rubin, and joining me today is a former Navy intelligence officer, | ||
| the senior editor at Human Events, and the author of the new children's book, | ||
| I've got it right in my hand right now, The Island of Free Ice Cream, Jack Pasobiak. | ||
| Welcome to The Rubin Report. | ||
| Dave, I am so excited, and I just can't hide it. | ||
| We're gonna talk all about the fact that there's no such thing as free ice cream today. | ||
| You know, I've known you, we met once in person. | ||
| You've done the show once before, but I know you mostly through Twitter. | ||
| And if you would have said to me a couple of years ago, you think Jack Posobiec is going to write a children's book? | ||
| I'm pretty sure I would not have had that on my list. | ||
| But at this point, where we're at in the world, it's like pretty much anything's possible. | ||
| This is proof of that, I think. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, when they reached out to me, so it's, it's with Brave Books. | ||
| And they have the whole thing up at Brave Books. | ||
| So it's like Ashley Sinclair and Elizabeth Johnston. | ||
| And there's some other big names. | ||
| Actually, I think they just announced it. | ||
| So I can say this now that Dan Crenshaw is the is going to be the next one coming out with a book. | ||
| You know, that was something we were like, don't say it yet. | ||
| We're still you know, getting the ink is just getting dry, everything etc, etc. | ||
| But um, But yeah, we can't announce that now. | ||
| And what it really is, is look, when you walk into, and it's a big thing for me too, right? | ||
| You mentioned a couple years ago. | ||
| Well, a couple years ago, I wasn't a father, right? | ||
| I didn't have my own kids, right? | ||
| I wasn't looking at life differently. | ||
| I was just, it's go, go, go, man. | ||
| Hey, you go back even, you know, 10 years, I'm in the Navy, I'm deploying, I'm doing this, I'm doing that. | ||
| You know, I'm not thinking about that stuff. | ||
| I'm thinking about me, right? | ||
| Yeah, right. | ||
| It's when you're younger, your life is more centered on yourself. | ||
| That's just how we are. | ||
| That's human nature. | ||
| But, you know, as you get older, and then we do have kids, and you start thinking more socially, being more socially minded, more broadly minded, more, you know, you have a more of a widespread outlook on life. | ||
| And you start to think, well, wait a minute, what about what's going on here? | ||
| What's going on there? | ||
| How are we doing this? | ||
| How are we not? | ||
| And when you walk into one of these, you know, commercial bookstores lately, books, a million Barnes and Noble, I swear, it's like the first book I see, it's always this table That set out, and it's children's books, and every single one of the authors, their last names is either a Biden, Obama, Clinton, or Harris, right? | ||
| Mina Harris, the niece. | ||
| And so I'm saying, wow, this is just, it's so politicized. | ||
| And I don't remember that. | ||
| I mean, you know, my kids' books were like, the last name was Seuss, you know? | ||
| Like, it's just basic, you know? | ||
| You mean that old racist? | ||
| Right, right, right, right, right, right, right. | ||
| You can't even do that. | ||
| You know, I'm learning like one fish, two fish. | ||
| And now we're talking about all of this really politicized stuff. | ||
| And so I said, look, There's been this idea on the right, that, you know, it was always like, it's always like, well, the campus crazies will just stay on campus, because then they'll go to real life, and they'll get mugged by reality to use the the old Buckley in line, and then they'll stop and they'll go back to normal and everything will be fine, right? | ||
| Well, that's not what happened. | ||
| The campus crazies followed into the corporate crazies, the military crazies, the academia crazies, all the crazies, right everywhere. | ||
| And so that's now filtering into where? | ||
| Into schools, right? | ||
| Pre-K through 12. | ||
| And of course, this is happening with CCRT, etc, etc. | ||
| And the books are a huge part of this. | ||
| So the right... | ||
| has been playing this game, or not even just the right, but people who just believe in, you know, traditional values, basic American values, totally seeded this space, just totally seeded this space and said, Oh, it'll correct itself. | ||
| It's self correcting. | ||
| Don't worry, this isn't some big thing. | ||
| Guess what, folks? | ||
| It is. | ||
| So that's why we decided to put this together. | ||
| They reached out to me and they said, Do you want to do something? | ||
| I'm like, I don't know, like, what should I write about? | ||
| And they're like, what do you they're like, what's something that you don't like? | ||
| And I said, communism, right? | ||
| You know, And they said, well, we just so happens that we have a book that we think that would lend itself to that. | ||
| So we kind of work together on the writing of it. | ||
| And it's, it's, it's actually got, and this is the one thing I said to them, I was like, look, I don't want to do one of those big preachy things where it's some story and then all of a sudden, you know, Jack Posobiec walks over and is like, well kids, let's talk today about the virtues of the free market and Milton Friedman and Ayn Rand. | ||
| It's like, no, no, no, no. | ||
| Like I don't want to do that stuff. | ||
| Right. So they showed me the storyboards on it. | ||
| And I said, this is actually really cool. | ||
| Like this is a book. | ||
| There's characters. | ||
| They're like on an island. | ||
| There's a marketplace. | ||
| But then, you know, some wolves show up and they say, hey, come to our island. | ||
| We've got free ice cream, you know? | ||
| And this guy's trying to- Not only, I'm gonna illustrate the island here. | ||
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There's a giant, it comes with a big map. | |
| I think I got it right here. | ||
| Oh my gosh, yeah, look at this. | ||
| Right, so what the way this- We'll put up a still so that I'm not so foldy here. | ||
| I know, right? | ||
| So the, yeah, so the way it works is with the whole series, And there's 12 in the first saga, there's going to be more sagas, so it's like you get one a month. | ||
| And then each one of the books corresponds with one of those circles, and the different places that are on that map are different stories and they all kind of interlock. | ||
| I mean, you can read them out of order, I think makes sense as long as it's in the saga, but Um, each story kind of feeds into the other one. | ||
| It's sort of a shared, you know, like, Marvel Universe kind of idea. | ||
| But, you know, for kids that are reading it, and, you know, my son's three, so I showed him some of the storyboards, and he's like, oh, cool, sheep and wolves! | ||
| Like, he kind of knows that wolves are, like, bad, and sheep are good, but he doesn't really have, you know, and he knows ice cream is good. | ||
| He gets that, right? | ||
| Naturally, naturally. | ||
| That one, that's pretty basic. | ||
| But he doesn't understand so much the total plots yet, but he can at least get the action of it, right? | ||
| So they go to the island of the wolves, and guess what, spoiler alert, right? | ||
| It's not very good on the island of free ice cream. | ||
| It's actually quite bad, and you can't get out, and there's like this Berlin Wall surrounding it, | ||
| so it's like a Cuba, East Germany, China kind of place. | ||
| And anyway, so that's kind of the story, but there's a lot of action to it. | ||
| And it's interesting. | ||
| And then you get to talk about some of these ideas. | ||
| And at the end, there is a little bit more of like that whole educator piece where, you know, we're working with like homeschool groups. | ||
| We're working with religious groups. | ||
| We're looking with a lot of people who are just want to check out of the system and say, look, we are not on board with where you guys are going, but we need to find something to replace all of this woke junk with. | ||
| And I said, look, that's, that's where brave books comes in. | ||
| So it's actually really cool. | ||
| You know, and you can start to have those discussions like, okay, you know, it, yeah, I wish things were free too, right? | ||
| Wouldn't that be great? | ||
| Wouldn't it be awesome to live in the world of Star Trek, the next generation where there's a replicator and you can walk over and you know, I've got my Earl Grey tea, right? | ||
| But we don't live in that world. | ||
| And so maybe when somebody, and it's just the basic idea, right? | ||
| That when someone offers you something that seems too good to be true, probably is. | ||
| It probably is. | ||
| Now, the real question is, at the libraries, will this book be recommended by the drag queens during Drag Queen Story Hour? | ||
| Are they going to be handing out this book? | ||
| I might be able to sneak it in. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Maybe while they're getting all the attention, we'll just be running around in the back, throwing them all over the place. | ||
| So I mean, I'm super impressed by this because one of the things I've been talking about on the show for a while is I'm sort of tired of people that just talk and I want to find people that build and people that do. | ||
| And that's why it's very cool to me that you were like, yeah, I will write a children's book about these ideas because we got to fix all of this stuff. | ||
| But I wanted to read the mission statement by Brave. | ||
| They're the publishers of the book. | ||
| I thought this was pretty great. | ||
| Timeless virtues for a new generation. | ||
| A progressive agenda is dominating today's culture and teaching our kids all the wrong lessons. | ||
| That's why we created a book series geared towards children ages 4 to 12. | ||
| Each month we will release a new story which teaches a foundational conservative value. | ||
| So you already hit on this, but do you think that's where we're at as a society at this point? | ||
| That depending on what your political beliefs are, you're literally going to have different children's books, you're going to have different schools, you are going to have different businesses, ultimately different tech, and just, you know, as far down the road as you want to run that concept. | ||
| Well, it's really interesting because you know, and I know you talk about this a lot that a lot of this started with relativism and the idea that there are no, you know, absolute, there's no good, there's no bad, there's just it's, it's what was the phrase that seeped into our culture? | ||
| It's not the truth. | ||
| It's my truth and your truth. | ||
| And it's like, Whoa, wait, wait, if we can't agree on basic facts, and we can't agree on basic Morality than what's going to happen, right? | ||
| This is exactly what happens because of that because we took away objective morality in society, right? | ||
| We took that away. | ||
| We rejected it. | ||
| We replaced it with what with nothing, right? | ||
| And we tried to do that for a while, but it didn't work. | ||
| But then up along comes this new ideology and says we are the new morality. | ||
| We are social morality. | ||
| The government has essentially replaced God in this sort of this like inverted hierarchy and then so the leading purveyors of the government, the bureaucrats, the experts, you know, they are the high priests and the acolytes, etc, etc. | ||
| And so these books then seek to impose that new morality, right on our kids. | ||
| And it's a false reality in many ways, but also because it just doesn't line up with | ||
| people's lives. | ||
| It doesn't line up with reality. | ||
| It doesn't line up with human nature. | ||
| And so people who read this stuff at a young age are set up with false expectations for | ||
| how their lives are going to be. | ||
| And it is not going to work out. | ||
| You are not going to get success. | ||
| And so that's why the true test of an actual moral system is does it work, right? | ||
| If I follow these precepts, will I succeed? | ||
| Will I find happiness? | ||
| Will I find self-actualization, right? | ||
| As Thomas Aquinas wrote years ago. | ||
| these are the basic understandings of what should underpin a moral ideology. | ||
| And yet, when you look at the left, the people who follow it, | ||
| they're some of the most curmudgeonly, miserable, nasty people in the world. | ||
| It's just terrible. | ||
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They don't look that good either. | |
| No, no, no. | ||
| There's a reason for that. | ||
| There's a reason for that. | ||
| I believe it's like, it's like in "Star Wars" when the emperor | ||
| I believe it's like in Star Wars when the Emperor is using the dark side and he, you | ||
| is using the dark side and he corrupts his appearance, right? | ||
| know, and corrupts his appearance, right? | ||
| And I never liked how they changed that where they said it was just the lightning. | ||
| And I never liked how they changed that, where they said it was just the lightning. | ||
| I always liked this idea that, you know, he was using the force for evil and then so that | ||
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I always liked this idea that, you know, >> No, no, no, no. | |
| created a negative, you know, full side of him. | ||
| Like that was sort of what was going on in the originals but then, you know, then they | ||
| had to throw that out and say, "No, no, it's just a blaster from a light saber." | ||
| I was like, "Oh, no, you actually had a really good story there." | ||
| But then you decided that wasn't as marketable as just, you know, being able to sell new | ||
| toys. | ||
| I know that the two of us could do like an eight-hour show on Star Wars and the disaster | ||
| that it's become but we'll... | ||
| I'm actually, funny enough, 'cause we're talking kids' books, I decided my house is | ||
| gonna be Star Wars free for my kids. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wait, so you wouldn't even do the originals for them and just say cut it off at that? | ||
| I mean, I'm big on the prequels, but you wouldn't even go that far? | ||
| No, no, because the way I look at it now is the originals for, as much as I liked them when I was growing up, they're just a gateway drug into the rest of it now. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so that they hook you, they hook you like a drug dealer, right? | ||
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Right. | |
| So Lucasfilm is the drug dealer. | ||
| They say, Hey, look at these movies. | ||
| They're so great. | ||
| They're so good. | ||
| And then you come in and then you, you know, by the time you get to the woke awakens or whatever, the next one that comes out is you're like, wait, where am I? | ||
| This is not where I started. | ||
| And you even actually had Marshall Lucas, which I thought was amazing. | ||
| Marshall Lucas, who was the original editor of star Wars, and Empire, the ex-wife of George Lucas, after he divorced | ||
| her, he kind of writes her out of the story. | ||
| You know, the force is female, right? | ||
| What about Marcia Lucas? | ||
| Not so much. | ||
| And so she comes out and says, these aren't movies. | ||
| These are made by people who have no idea what what Star Wars is. | ||
| There's no morality. | ||
| What is this? | ||
| There's like some girl who shows up and she just has force powers because. | ||
| I think you mean the last three, not the prequels. | ||
| You mean the last three, right? | ||
| Oh, she cried after the prequels, too. | ||
| She's the daughter of a clone, and that makes sense for some reason. | ||
| She said that after she watched the prequels, she went into her car and cried | ||
| because it could have been so good, and we ended up getting what we got. | ||
| And so my heart-- | ||
| Wait, I don't think you mean the prequels there. | ||
| I think you mean the last three, not the prequels. | ||
| You mean the last three, right? | ||
| No, it was "The Phantom Menace." | ||
| Oh, she cried after the prequels too. | ||
| After seeing "The Phantom Menace," yeah. | ||
| Ah, but that was at least Lucas, you know? | ||
| Right, but that's the thing, is that the original "Star Wars" movies | ||
| by sort of a committee in a sense, right? | ||
| Where, um... | ||
| You know, Lucas sort of came up with this, you know, he took elements, of course, from like Dune and Flash Gordon and these, you know, Joseph Campbell, this idea of the monomyth, the hero's journey, right? | ||
| And so he's picking all that together. | ||
| And then he had some of the names, right? | ||
| He had some of that stuff together, but it was really Gary Kurtz and Marshall Lucas on the editing side and a bunch of people that were brought in by Fox that said, Hey, George, we're gonna take your story that he was trying to do this whole Vietnam War thing and, like, make it this, like, very, like, top-heavy kind of, like, really heady material kind of deal and said, they're like, yeah, we're just gonna make this, like, good guys versus bad guys, George. | ||
| So, you know, I know you don't like that. | ||
| He was like, oh, you guys know what you're talking about. | ||
| So we're just gonna go in a little bit of a different direction. | ||
| Well, look. | ||
| I assume this is going to do extremely well, so your obvious next move is to just... It will be the next Star Wars. | ||
| Recreate Star Wars. | ||
| Bigger than Star Wars. | ||
| Yeah, bigger. | ||
| Alright, moving on from Star Wars for just a second. | ||
| There's a lot going on in the world. | ||
| Look, I thought that Biden was going to... Is there some news? | ||
| It's been so boring here in DC. | ||
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Oh, right. | |
| You're in DC too. | ||
| We should talk about that. | ||
| But look, I thought Biden was going to be a disaster. | ||
| So I'm really not surprised by any of this. | ||
| I suppose if I'm surprised at any level, it would just be like how quickly everything became awful. | ||
| But the general awful state, I'm not surprised by. | ||
| Where do you grade this thing at the moment? | ||
| I mean, just as we're starting this, Biden just said that 98% of us have to be vaccinated. | ||
| Otherwise we'll never get back to normal. | ||
| As he was getting his booster shot from the vaccine that he said if you got in the first place that, you know, we'd all be OK with. | ||
| Yeah, that's actually right. | ||
| And and I'll I'll break a little news on here and I'll hold this back from, you know, from Twitter and everything else before we can do this, because I actually just as you and I were preparing to get on here in the pre-show, I got a text in from Someone who is a currently serving US official at the White House who said that statement, that number, that 98% came from a briefing from Dr. Fauci about a week ago that was being had. | ||
| And my question is, if I would go back to that briefing and I'll respond to them after this and say, Was that talking about herd immunity? | ||
| Because I remember the last time I heard this, herd immunity was like 75, 80% was the idea. | ||
| And that also that herd immunity should include people like myself who have natural immunity because I had real COVID. | ||
| I had like, knocked me on my butt, I'm eating Vietnamese pho for a week and watching like bad TV shows because my, you know, I'm just like half tired, half asleep the whole time. | ||
| I mean, it sucked. | ||
| Like it's definitely not the flu, right? | ||
| But you know, I ate pho and a bunch of like Sprite and I'm fine, right? | ||
| I'm totally fine. | ||
| It's like a year ago. | ||
| And so I've still yet to have somebody come to me and make the convincing argument as to why natural immunity shouldn't count, right? | ||
| And I think there's a huge portion of the population that is also wondering about this. | ||
| Plus, you also used to have, and Glenn Greenwald talked about this, that the ACLU used to be one of the leading organizations talking against Vaccine mandates, because they actually pointed out that pushing vaccine mandates from a higher level actually drives vaccine hesitancy, because what is it, right? | ||
| It's the hammer, not the stick. | ||
| It's the hammer, not the carrot, right? | ||
| You're demanding people do it, so you're going to initiate, you know, there's going to be a certain number of people that say, well, I'm not going to do it just because you say I have to. | ||
| Why should I? | ||
| Right? | ||
| You know, and of course the U.S. | ||
| government hasn't ever done anything, Dave, that would call into question their trustworthiness and their veracity with the American people. | ||
| I've never heard of anything. | ||
| I don't know what you could possibly. | ||
| No, no, I couldn't possibly, couldn't possibly. | ||
| But are you somewhat shocked that if we were to question any of this stuff, like I'm very aware of this on Twitter, if we're to question any, the veracity of the vaccine, whether it's working or not, actually, as you know, because I think you were probably the first guy I texted the day before I went off the grid last day of July. | ||
| What was the tweet again? | ||
| What was the tweet? | ||
| Well, in essence, I said that vaccine mandates are coming and they don't want you to know that. | ||
| And I was banned from Twitter. | ||
| Twitter later said it was an error, but I'm pretty sure I got that one right. | ||
| But then if you talk- This is like a month ago, right? | ||
| This is hilarious. | ||
| It was July 31st, yeah. | ||
| A couple months ago, okay. | ||
| Yeah, give or take a month. | ||
| So you tweet out that you think, essentially, it looks like vaccine mandates are coming. | ||
| Banned on Twitter, right, right. | ||
| Locked out, was it 12 hours? | ||
| 12 hours, and then I had to delete the tweet, otherwise they put you in perpetual with no answer as to when you might come back if you refuse to delete it. | ||
| So they put you in the penalty box for 12 hours, then they make you take the tweet down, | ||
| which by the way, we're talking about communism in the book, but this is, in Mao's China, | ||
| the idea of self-incrimination is big. | ||
| They could delete the tweet for you. | ||
| I always bring this up with people. | ||
| They could delete the tweet for you, but as part of your struggle session, | ||
| you have to admit your crime. | ||
| You have to admit your thought crime. | ||
| You have to admit, "I was a capitalist. | ||
| "I was an exploitative landlord. | ||
| I spoke out against the Great Leap Forward, right? | ||
| You have to admit that. | ||
| And only if you believe to, your struggle session, this is the key. | ||
| People don't understand, they use that phrase, struggle session. | ||
| You're not struggling against the people. | ||
| You're struggling against your past self. | ||
| And the idea is that you're purifying yourself into the new ideology. | ||
| So I always think about that when they make you delete the tweet yourself. | ||
| There's something very insidious about that and the fact that it actually is a form | ||
| of making you incriminate your own thoughts and your own words. | ||
| But the fact is that you said this was coming, and I remember the tweet, the way you had worded it | ||
| was like, you think this is coming, not like, you know, I can prove this is coming. | ||
| And yet, here we are talking about 98%. | ||
| People are about to be kicked out of the military. | ||
| There's that, you know, the great account, libs of TikTok has, and they're not just doing libs anymore, | ||
| it's really just sort of like a TikTok news kind of site now. | ||
| And military members, and we covered this on Human Events Daily just today, | ||
| that there's an E4 in the Air Force saying, look, I don't wanna take this, I'm about to be kicked out. | ||
| I've signed up, I've gone through all my training, here are my qualifications, can you guys help me find a job? | ||
| Right? | ||
| So we're purging our military on the basis of this. | ||
| Think about who we're purging, by the way, our healthcare workers. | ||
| So many, in New York State, they're talking about bringing in the National Guard to backfill healthcare workers. | ||
| I'm sorry, I thought this whole thing was supposed to be help, remember, two weeks to stop the spread, right? | ||
| Lower the curve so that we can help ICUs because of the capacity and because of bringing the burden down on healthcare workers. | ||
| If this is about health, why are you firing the healthcare workers? | ||
| Right, so it literally, we went, in a year and a half we went from two weeks to flatten the curve to we're firing nurses in the name of health. | ||
| Which I don't know that we've had any sort of mass outbreak by nurses or within our military or anything like that. | ||
| But what do you think this really gets to in that it's not stopping? | ||
| I mean, this is what I'm trying to explain to people. | ||
| It doesn't matter if everyone's vaccinated or everyone stays home or everyone wears masks. | ||
| The governments, and I mean governments, not just ours but Australia, Canada, I mean we're just watching Western governments commit harry-carry and take down their people at the same time. | ||
| That's what it seems like to me, that they're just loving rampaging through everyone's rights and very few of us are doing anything. | ||
| This will stop when The citizenry decides it should stop. | ||
| You know, Russ Dohat in the New York Times, and I don't really cite the New York Times very often, but he had a pretty provocative headline on an op-ed about a week ago. | ||
| And he said, what if COVID was 10 times more deadly, right? | ||
| What if COVID was 10 times more deadly? | ||
| And I'm like, Well, if COVID was 10 times more deadly, then I'd probably be on board with a lot of this stuff, right? | ||
| I think that would make sense. | ||
| Don't give him any good ideas, Jack. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| But here's what I'm getting at. | ||
| Here's what I'm getting at, because I'm not, I want to make a point, is that We have a situation where we know that it's not. | ||
| We know that there are people, it's, look, it's been what, a year and a half? | ||
| I was one of the first people that said, you know, all the way back January 2020, let's add China to the travel ban. | ||
| We can't allow those flights to come in. | ||
| Why are we still doing this? | ||
| We can see what's going on in Wuhan. | ||
| We can see they're trying to shut it down. | ||
| Just stop the flights. | ||
| Just do it. | ||
| Just stop the flights. | ||
| We were doing podcasts about it back then. | ||
| They're like, oh, you're crazy. | ||
| You're xenophobic, et cetera, et cetera. | ||
| I said, no, it's about a virus that comes from there. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| That it is there, but it is to deal with it. | ||
| We know everything that's come out since then about that and the lab and what they don't want us to know, etc, etc. | ||
| But I think the key thing in this is that you have a situation now where people are going to say, look, we can look at this as as independent, critical thinking individuals and know that, okay, people with comorbidities, you got to take care of them. | ||
| People who are seniors, right? | ||
| They're higher risk. | ||
| You gotta take care of them. | ||
| People who have the immunodeficiency. | ||
| I was just down in Florida meeting with a friend of mine who had gone through, he's just getting a throat cancer, right? | ||
| He walks around double-masked all the time. | ||
| That makes sense, right? | ||
| Because he gets that, he's done. | ||
| He's gonna be wiped out. | ||
| Like his system will not be able to handle that, right? | ||
| That makes sense for his position. | ||
| But the idea that we are going to allow government to have all this power, They're never going to give it away. | ||
| And you know, there are some people who said, well, you know, I think this is just, it's a one-time thing. | ||
| It's got none. | ||
| Medical tyranny, medical tyranny is the future. | ||
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| This is never going to stop because medicine in our technology, our biotechnology is only getting better and better. | ||
| Our government systems are only becoming more and more advanced. | ||
| You're seeing the union now of government with Silicon Valley. | ||
| So with technology, you tie in the biomedical aspect of that. | ||
| And look, if you ever watched that movie, Gattaca from 1997, five years ago, I think it was it was Andrew Nichols and Ethan Hawke and Jude Law and Uma Thurman. | ||
| And I think they just nailed it. | ||
| You have two classes of people. | ||
| You have the valid and the invalid. | ||
| And we are rapidly, very rapidly running to a society like that. | ||
| So what do you think is the driver of this? | ||
| You're a bit of an expert on what's going on in China. | ||
| I mean, did China release this and then basically convinced all of our governments to destroy themselves? | ||
| Is that really the driver? | ||
| Like, why is it that every time I open up Twitter, I have videos of Australian police officers and members of the army literally choking their own citizens in the name of health, or Canada closing churches, or all of the nonsense that we see here every day? | ||
| So the the analysis, you know, with my sort of, you know, putting on my China analyst hat here for a minute. | ||
| You know, looking at the CCP, they're terrified of anything that slows down their growth. | ||
| And you can look at their response to the contagion or potential contagion of Evergrande, which is one of their largest real estate developers, possibly going down through a very similar subprime market situation as the U.S. | ||
| saw during the credit crunch in 2007-2008. | ||
| Watch the movie The Big Short, you know, if one wants to know more about that. | ||
| China, same situation, right? | ||
| They overheated this, they overheated this, they fueled it with debt, fueled it with debt. | ||
| But what's interesting is a lot of the money, a lot of the investments that China was using actually come from U.S. | ||
| pension funds. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because you have organizations like BlackRock and Blackstone that are putting U.S. | ||
| dollars, U.S. | ||
| money, into Chinese investments, right, in China. | ||
| So one interesting thing that China's doing right now in the CCP is they're bailing out these firms partially, where they're only bailing out the Chinese liability side of it, but for the U.S. | ||
| side, because a lot of these are joint ventures, For the U.S. | ||
| side, they're letting the contagion spread. | ||
| It's the exact same situation that we saw with COVID-19. | ||
| And somebody actually had an analysis that was pretty provocative in relation to the Wuhan lab. | ||
| And they were wondering, is it possible? | ||
| Because we're now seeing all these variants, right? | ||
| There's all these different variants coming out and, you know, it's this variant, that variant. | ||
| But we don't really know where the first variant was, right? | ||
| Because we don't have the data internally when it comes to China. | ||
| So we just sort of arbitrarily started naming these with the Greek alphabet. | ||
| And so some people have suggested that what if, you know, in those crazy videos coming out of China early on, like what was people knocking, you know, falling down and stuff. | ||
| And so the theory was, is it possible that the original variant of this thing was actually a lot worse, right? | ||
| Is it possible that that variant was a lot worse? | ||
| That's what was knocking down people in Wuhan and some of the other cities, but then it was a mutation of it that got out. | ||
| And so with my CCP analyst hat on and I'm looking at Xi Jinping and I'm thinking, look, he doesn't want a slowdown in China because of one or 2% unemployment taking it in the United States. | ||
| Okay, that's a couple hundred thousand people, couple hundred thousand people there, here, there, etc, etc. | ||
| You do the stimulus statements. | ||
| One to 2% unemployment in China is a revolution. | ||
| Right, that yeah, you've got a revolution on your hands. | ||
| And every Chinese dynasty, and you can think of the CCP as a dynasty, has gone through what's called the theory of dynastic decline. | ||
| And so they go through this cycle where the dynasty is doing well, it's risen, then the dynasty becomes corrupt, and this goes thousands of years, right? | ||
| And then the dynasty becomes corrupt, they lose what's called the mandate of heaven. | ||
| And one of the ideas that they see as an omen or a precursor of losing the mandate of heaven is famine, pestilence, and disease. | ||
| So that's why very early on CCP, of course, you know, they're an atheist organization. | ||
| They're not, they're not, they're not Christian. | ||
| They're not believers. | ||
| One of the first things they said was this disease is a virus from hell, a demon from hell. | ||
| Why did they specifically use that language? | ||
| Because they were framing themselves as being on the side of heaven and the demon is being on the side of hell. | ||
| That's, that's, that goes back to this sort of like this, this, this idea of the theory of dynastic decline. | ||
| And so I think really what they're, what the thought was, was, All right, we have this thing inside China. | ||
| We know that it's circulating. | ||
| We know that it's mutating. | ||
| We know that bad things are happening. | ||
| Why should we be the only ones who take the hit? | ||
| Why shouldn't the rest of the world have to take the hit, too? | ||
| So then, do you think they're thrilled watching these Western nations do to their citizens what they're doing? | ||
| I mean, we're helping them do it, right? | ||
| Whatever it is that they want to do? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| I mean, you know, it's like Howard Bloom wrote in Lucifer Principle that, you know, this idea that Every every nation is a sort of super organism in a sense, a collection of cells that's all connected, but we're always vying for hierarchy. | ||
| And that's that's real politics, right? | ||
| So in when I lived in China, one of the things that people would frequently say to me was, You know, it's not that we hate America, Jack. | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| We don't hate America. | ||
| We just want to be where America is. | ||
| We want it to be one, was it a one Chinese yuan equals eight US dollars. | ||
| We want to be in a situation where we're on top and you're actually one thing that somebody said to me, and I want people to understand he didn't say this as a threat. | ||
| He doesn't say this offensively. | ||
| It's just, it was his point of view. | ||
| It was what he wanted for his country. | ||
| He said, I want to be in a position. | ||
| Where someday rich Chinese families are adopting poor American children. | ||
| And that's just how they see it. | ||
| Do you think there's any force in America at this point that can stand up to this? | ||
| I mean, fairly certain it's not this administration. | ||
| Like, if anything, we're just pushing it all along. | ||
| Well, you have a situation in America right now where there's this idea that, you know, if you go back a couple of years and I've been, I've been sort of like teasing out this, this theory for the past couple of months now, right? | ||
| I call it the axis of authoritarianism, right? | ||
| So if you go back to the 1990s back, you know, battle of Seattle, right? | ||
| Antifa is like against globalism and against China and against all of these different things. | ||
| And they actually wage war on the WTO summit there in Seattle. | ||
| Seattle's a large international port because of its proximity to Asia and Russia, that | ||
| they didn't want China into the WTO because they said their authoritarianism will come | ||
| into the United States. | ||
| And, you know, it's like, you know, Jack, you're like Mr. | ||
| Anti-Antifa. | ||
| I'm like, well, there's some truth to that. | ||
| I think it's just that Antifa got co-opted, but that's a different story. | ||
| But when you see what happened was there is this idea, and even if you talk to some of the British interlocutors from the 1980s about the negotiations over whether or not they would adhere to the treaty about giving Hong Kong port back to China in 1997, which they eventually did, One of the leading theories of the case was that they would be able to use, they said, well, we have this liberal democracy and we have capitalism and we have financial capital and this free market system. | ||
| And the more exposure that we can give communist China to our system, it will make them more open, more transparent, more liberalized. | ||
| And eventually make them a democracy, right? | ||
| That's what's going to happen. | ||
| And this was the whole, like, if you go through back to the 90s, that's what everybody talked about. | ||
| When is China going to become democratic? | ||
| You look at the history of Tiananmen Square, and certainly, you know, they had a point where it seemed like it might be on the cusp of happening. | ||
| My theory, though, is that the opposite happened. | ||
| Because the Chinese Communist Party went through the Tiananmen Square massacre, they went through, and this is the key difference between the fall of communism in the Soviet Union, And Tiananmen in China, in the Soviet Union, in Moscow, the soldiers refused to fire on the citizens when they were protesting. | ||
| They refused. | ||
| In China, the tanks rolled. | ||
| We've all seen it, right? | ||
| We don't even need to go through any more of that. | ||
| And so this created a situation where the regime was then able to stay in power. | ||
| But they also realized that they couldn't just keep the people in abject poverty because has created too much of a mishmash. They were going to have | ||
| this foreign direct investment that had been started in the 1970s. So what were they to do? | ||
| So they embark on this new strategy where they have corporate power from the West and they have | ||
| the authoritarian regime of the of the CCP on top. And so what it created was a new type of | ||
| government that really hasn't been seen on the face of the planet since, you know, the time of the | ||
| great, you know, mercantile empires of the past, where they said, look, there's going to be no | ||
| democracy. There's going to be pure authoritarianism, but we will allow a market to operate | ||
| underneath us as long as you don't threaten our political power. | ||
| This is what the CCP became. | ||
| So American elites, when they would go over, American politicians or congressional delegations, and I would see them when I was in Shanghai, when they would come over, they would say, wow, your guy's system is really good. | ||
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You don't have to worry about any of that free speech stuff. | |
| If you want a high-speed rail, maglev, you just knock down all the houses. | ||
| And what about the people? | ||
| Get rid of them! | ||
| You know, move them away. | ||
| Who cares if you're a hundred years, a thousand years, who cares? | ||
| Your village is in my way. | ||
| Oh, if you want to build the three gorges dam, well, just, Flood all those towns. | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| Let's build a giant lake. | ||
| We need this because progress is the only thing that matters to us. | ||
| And so you take those two forms and put them together. | ||
| It's intoxicating. | ||
| It is, it is a form of absolute power. | ||
| It is intoxicating. | ||
| And my theory of the case is that in America, our elites, our ruling class, the 1%, whatever you call it, and if you actually look at it, the 1% of America, It's, you know, that phrase, right? | ||
| It used to be in the Occupy movement, but the Chinese Communist Party, they're about 1% of the Chinese population as well, so slightly less. | ||
| But I crunched the numbers on it. | ||
| And so, it really is, what you have to do is you have to look away from the elites in society, but if you take, you know, I guess you call them the deplorables, or just the American people as a whole, the people that aren't making money, that aren't profiting off this system, and you put them together with, in China, the cognate would be the Laobai Xing, which means the old hundred names, you know, the sort of like, the same burgeoning middle class, lower class in China, they don't have a middle class like we do. | ||
| Um, you put that together and you say, Hey, these guys are screwing you. | ||
| These guys are screwing you. | ||
| They're robbing you blind, right? | ||
| You know, they're all getting rich. | ||
| One side gets the wealth, but the wealth doesn't trickle down in China because of their authoritarian system. | ||
| The one side in the US they're getting the wealth, but all you're, all you're becoming is a consumer, right? | ||
| You get your cheap Chinese TV. | ||
| You get your cheap cell phone, whatever it is, but you don't get the wealth, right? | ||
| You don't get any of the benefits. | ||
| You don't get the jobs. | ||
| You don't get the secondary tertiary industries that would come off having a primary primary income driver. | ||
| And this is why the vast heartland of the United States has been completely hollowed out. | ||
| You know, I'm from not the heartland, but you know, one of these sort of post-industrial cities in the Northeast, and it's the exact same situation. | ||
| This is the reason the Rust Belt exists, is because of this, and it's not elite capture, it's not man-trained candidate, it's nothing like that. | ||
| It's a merger. | ||
| That's what I'm trying to get people to understand. | ||
| It's actually a merger at the highest level. | ||
| So what do we do? | ||
| So what do we do? | ||
| Good luck with all of that! | ||
| You have to decouple, right? | ||
| You have to, you have to decouple and you have to say, you have to come to it from a perspective. | ||
| And I've been, I've been looking at this thing for 15 years, right? | ||
| Um, I first went to China in 2006, uh, moved there in 2007, lived there for two years, learned the language from the military afterwards. | ||
| The primary focus was China. | ||
| Um, it, it, you know, it's, and I'd be in these rooms in the Intel community and we'd be talking about like the South China Sea and we'd be talking about, Oh, they're building these islands and they're militarizing the islands and they've got this aircraft carrier and it's going to be coming in. | ||
| It's going to be doing operations. | ||
| What do we do? | ||
| We'll, we'll send a message. | ||
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| We'll send a strongly worded message. | ||
| We'll, we'll get the United Nations involved, right? | ||
| We'll, we'll get the, Three part talks, five part talks, and I would be the guy in the back saying, you know, | ||
| I mean, that's that's nice. | ||
| But, you know, I you know, I don't think we're planning to go to war with China. | ||
| I certainly hope we aren't. | ||
| But, you know, unless you use economic leverage, isn't it? | ||
| Listen, it's the only thing they're going to answer to. | ||
| So you that's what you have to break up. | ||
| You have to break up that merger. | ||
| You have to get people to understand that you are being screwed, that you are being robbed blind and you have to then turn on the economic screws. | ||
| But I don't care. | ||
| If it's a Republican, a Democrat, or other that does it, right, it's just what's good for the people on both sides of the world, in this case, both sides of the Pacific. | ||
| It's going to be better if you break this up, you start actually having real diplomacy and not these quasi-transnational organizations anymore. | ||
| Right, but is there any chance, I mean, that this administration, or even if we got an American, that was a hell of a Freudian slip, a Republican administration, is there any chance that America could actually do that? | ||
| I mean, I certainly don't see it under Biden that we could ever, no, I guess we could do it, but that we would ever exert the type of influence that you're talking about. | ||
| I think it's there. | ||
| I think there's, I think that economic populism is actually something that, you know, if you look at it and going back to what we were just talking about with the vaccine mandates, you're seeing a lot of this populist energy find and make strange bedfellows, right? | ||
| The city right now this past weekend, There was an anti-vaccine march by a group of MAGA supporters in Staten Island, but then there was also an anti-vaccine protest in Brooklyn by Black Lives Matter. | ||
| And yet, if you listen to some of the things that they were saying, it was almost the exact same phrases. | ||
| And yet, here are two groups that are supposed to be, you know, in mortal opposition to one another. | ||
| They're both agreed it's that it is and you know sort of not a you versus we but it's an us versus it's an up-down thing it's not a left-right thing and so I think the more people start to talk about economic populism the less that people talk about some of these more caustic politicized issues. | ||
| I actually think that you there are potentials for a coalition to be built across Parties across nations of people coming together and saying, look, we don't want to be ruled by a transnational elite anymore. | ||
| We just, we don't want it. | ||
| We want to be countries again. | ||
| We want to be citizens again. | ||
| We want to have real diplomacy. | ||
| France, you know, France is, is, is standing up right now and kind of thumbing their nose at, at, at Biden. | ||
| They pulled their ambassador, which is like the first time in history that I think that's ever been done. | ||
| And I think that's, in a sense, I think it's good because, As the U.S., you know, because the U.S. | ||
| is losing its position, right, it's certainly losing its position as the global hegemon, if you will, then it's going to require alliances and it's going to require actual diplomacy and sitting down with people that we want to have actual help with and mutual aid. | ||
| You can't have any more of this, you know. | ||
| We're going to invade Iraq and you have to come along because we said so, right? | ||
| Or else we're going to pull this, that and everything. | ||
| No, no, we're not going to do that anymore. | ||
| It has to be actual mutually assured benefit. | ||
| We always talk about mutually assured destruction. | ||
| Why don't we talk about mutually assured benefit? | ||
| Right, so what do you think that actually looks like from an American perspective? | ||
| Like, I've been saying for a while, as a kind of new guy to the right, if we can talk about things in that left-right paradigm, but I get it, it's top-down, really, or authoritarian versus libertarian. | ||
| They shoved you out. | ||
| Yeah, right, right, or they shoved me out, but for this new thing, this center-right sort of economic populist thing that you're talking about, like, I see myself on more of, say, like a libertarian side of that, then there are sort of more traditional religious conservatives. | ||
| I think we're seeing Tulsi Gabbard kind of, Yeah, but look, we're obviously on the same side in the big picture of things. | ||
| I see someone like Tulsi Gabbard being like, well, there's nothing left for me over here. | ||
| I don't know that she's fully making the move, but it seems like she's on her way. | ||
| I see that thing as super broad. | ||
| I think that the disagreements that we might have can all be sort of worked on or like we still want to live | ||
| in the same country with each other. | ||
| What do you think that really looks like politically? | ||
| Like, is it Trump that has to lead that thing in? | ||
| Cause he kind of was the guy that was doing it in the first place or has that ship sailed? | ||
| Like what does it actually look like? | ||
| Yeah, that's the thing with movements, right? | ||
| Is that movements are great, but ideology suck, right? | ||
| So, you know, movements are wonderful because they're, they're explosive, they're natural, they're living organisms of their own, but then ideology gets injected and people try to codify it and people try to, to quantify it and package it and sell it and all this stuff. | ||
| And that it's, it, it always sort of takes away from that spirit of it. | ||
| Um, you saw this in the spirit of, Of 2016 where it was just this, this, this movement, this explosion of memes and energy and all things across the place. | ||
| But I really do think that that a lot of the energy is there. | ||
| It's just moved. | ||
| And you know, I do think that the Trump movement is part of it. | ||
| Um, you can't, and you can't remove Trump from the Trump movement, right? | ||
| You just, you just can't. | ||
| I know there's so many people who are like, Oh man, I just wish he would. | ||
| You know, sit out 24 and let DeSantis take his turn. | ||
| It's probably not going to happen. | ||
| He's probably going to run. | ||
| So yeah, you've been saying that and I'm hearing from every somewhat insider that I know that he's running. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, look, he's the kind of guy, just understand the psychology, right? | ||
| He's the kind of guy where if, you know, if he thought, and again, I'm not saying this is what happened, I'm saying, just talking his perspective, if he thought he'd be beaten fair and square, he'd say, all right, and he, you know, he'd pack up, he'd go home. | ||
| But if he thought something was stolen from him, If he thought something was taken away from him, | ||
| then does he really seem like the kind of guy that's just gonna let that happen? | ||
| That's just gonna let that slide? | ||
| Of course not, no. | ||
| He's gonna be the guy who's gonna wanna get back in and take back what he, right or wrong, | ||
| views as something that is rightfully his. | ||
| And I think that's-- | ||
| But why wouldn't he think they'd just do it again though? | ||
| If that's what he believes, I think that is what he believes. | ||
| Like, why wouldn't he think? | ||
| Has he done any of the legwork to fix the system that he feels wrong to him in the first place? | ||
| Well, I do think you see some laws getting passed in 2022 and really when it comes down to it, | ||
| there were so many things that happened on the back of COVID | ||
| that I don't think are going to be sustainable. | ||
| I think that was something, and you're seeing a lot of it attempt to be continued, | ||
| but I think that a lot of these sort of temporary measures that were held are not going to face | ||
| the same type of scrutiny because you really do see people that are very upset with it. | ||
| You see people saying, "Look, this just doesn't feel transparent. | ||
| It doesn't feel like the same type of system that we've had in the past." | ||
| And they want to go back to it. | ||
| So they're looking to their governors, particularly, you know, look at Georgia, | ||
| the amount of crap that they went through when they passed that law. | ||
| And I know Trump doesn't like Kemp very much, but you gotta admit that was a pretty good law | ||
| if you look at his perspective. | ||
| He did deliver something that you should support if you are someone who's coming from that side. | ||
| Now, that being said, I'm personally somebody who I say, | ||
| "Look, you know, talking about the French, let's take the French example." | ||
| And what's the, what did the French do? | ||
| They use voter ID, they use voting in person, unless you have a specific medical reason, like you literally can't leave your house, right? | ||
| Other than that, you're voting in person and you're voting with voter ID. | ||
| I think that's great. | ||
| I think that's fantastic. | ||
| We need to know who's voting. | ||
| It's a basic, System of democracy and something also, by the way, where I was actually talking to a French MEP last last week. | ||
| He was telling me they know the answers to their election. | ||
| They have the outcome within like two hours after the poll. | ||
| The entire country. | ||
| And they look at the United States and what are you guys doing? | ||
| Like what are you doing? | ||
| What is this? | ||
| And so it's ridiculous. | ||
| So I do think that there are methods that, you know, going back to sort of my, my, my read on Trump, that there are things that he can put in place. | ||
| And certainly, you know, obviously there's certain states like, like California, like, you know, they worry about that. | ||
| Like you're not going to win California or Donald Trump. | ||
| Um, maybe Virginia is in that bucket as well. | ||
| I know some Republicans are going to be mad that I say that, but I don't know if Virginia is possible to win by a Republican anymore. | ||
| But by the same token, I don't know that Florida is a swing state anymore. | ||
| Um, you look at the past few elections, the way the population's been moving, the way a lot of people, you know, Hispanics in Florida broke for Trump, uh, broke really big for Trump. | ||
| Um, not, not, I mean, I don't mean majority, but in, in a way that we haven't seen in the past. | ||
| And so I, I think that there's a coalition for at least a Trump or a Trump style candidate in Florida that would be pretty solidly red. | ||
| Um, so there's, there's absolutely a pathway forward for that and you know, Like it or not, you know, just as from an analyst perspective, he's definitely going to run. | ||
| The real question though is, and I see nobody talking about this, is that if, let's say Trump runs and wins, right? | ||
| And just what if, what if he runs and wins, he can only do one more term, right? | ||
| He can only do one more term. | ||
| So he's out. | ||
| So whoever he picks as vice president, then if he runs and wins, is really going to be set up, is really going to be set up | ||
| to sort of be the, you know, be the inheritor of this movement, whatever this | ||
| thing is. So when I look at this whole thing, I almost think you're going to, it's, it's | ||
| almost like a passing of the baton kind of thing. And that whoever that pick is, and really I've been | ||
| thinking about it, Tulsi was someone that I did kind of have in mind because I think that's a | ||
| really interesting choice. And I think that she embodies a lot of the spirit in many ways, but I'm | ||
| not, I'm not a hundred percent sold on, on her either, though I will say that Tulsi is somebody | ||
| that I had respect for even, even years ago, 2014, I was out in Hawaii and I actually went and I | ||
| was on there for a military thing. And I, I actually went and stopped by her office and was just talking to her staff. | ||
| Got to meet her, her mom was there, you know. | ||
| Got to meet her, because she was just someone that even as a Democrat, because of where she was on, at the time, military issues, someone that I had a lot of respect for. | ||
| Are there any sane Democrats left at this point? | ||
| I mean, mainstream. | ||
| I don't mean the average person. | ||
| Of course, there's some sane Democrats. | ||
| But like, in terms of the machinery that is the Democratic Party, are there any, the former Me's, are there any of them left over there that can be worked with? | ||
| Well, I think there are, but I think it's going to be on an issue-by-issue basis, right? | ||
| I think you do see Democrats... | ||
| By and large, who have good outlooks when it comes to social media, right? | ||
| I'm talking about actually using the government to rein in the power of social media and these oligarchic systems. | ||
| But the only problem is, of course, they, where we disagree is that they say, well, not only should we rein in the power, but also you have to crack down on that very bad misinformation and the very bad, you know, these people are saying that Hunter Biden had a laptop and COVID might've come from a lab and they might be doing function experiments. | ||
| These crazy, crazy statements are, Or saying things like Americans might be left behind in Afghanistan, just just wild, wild, you know, tinfoil stuff. | ||
| When of course, we all know the truth of all that. | ||
| And so I think there but I do think there's room there. | ||
| I do think that's a that's a broad movement and a broad issue topic where I think you could actually sit down and find some common ground. | ||
| I actually hate to say it, but you know, again, I actually respected the way that when Amazon was trying to come into AOC's district, AOC was like, no, you're going to ruin this area. | ||
| You're going to, you're going to kick out all the people. | ||
| You're going to destroy all of it. | ||
| Though I do also point out that she's a hypocrite because in, and she very famously, is in Navy Yard in DC. | ||
| And that's exactly what happened. | ||
| Navy Yard is that all the people came from the hill kicked out the families that have been living there for generations. | ||
| They're now over in PG County, Maryland. | ||
| And now you've got all like, you know, the DC yuppies are based and like are all living around Navy Yard. | ||
| It is the worst place in DC. | ||
| I cannot stand it down. | ||
| Like I'm a people watcher. | ||
| I like people watching not in Navy Yard. | ||
| Oh my gosh, I was there the other day. | ||
| I like I almost had like I had to leave. | ||
| I actually like the toxic Just energy of that place. | ||
| Oh, disgusting. | ||
| Where does the mainstream media or whatever is left of it, where does that fit in this whole equation? | ||
| You know, I did my show this morning and just once again, just showing clips of CNN saying the, you know, Stelter usually saying just the reverse of everything he said a year ago under Trump and just the endless lies and how that we're all just being shifted into our own little worlds where we just believe completely different things. | ||
| Is there anything that can be done to fix any of this? | ||
| Dinosaur. | ||
| That's the dinosaur, right? | ||
| You know, they are going to go the way, I don't know if there'll be a comet, but we are seeing an evolution right now in terms of media. | ||
| We're seeing a massive explosion in terms of media. | ||
| Social media has given people the opportunity to use these systems to create a real democratization of information in a way that's never before been seen. | ||
| Never before been seen. | ||
| And that's of course why they want to shut it all down, like these narrative gatekeepers. | ||
| And so I don't foresee, like I don't know anybody under 40 | ||
| who just goes home and sits down and turns on cable news the way they used to, right? | ||
| I know people say, I'm going to watch this specific show, and then I'm going to catch this podcast when I'm at the gym, and I'm going to listen to this audio book. | ||
| And oh, I love listening to Human Events Daily from from Poso in the evening, right before I go to bed on my MyPillow, which is available at MyPillow.com. | ||
| I knew it. | ||
| I knew it. | ||
| Had to do it. | ||
| I knew it was coming. | ||
| But no, I really do think that people are going to follow less and less brands, and they're going to follow more and more individuals. | ||
| And I really think that's the way coming forward. | ||
| And you look at Joe Rogan as sort of the, very much a pioneer in this sense. | ||
| Rush Limbaugh, in many ways, a pioneer in this sense. | ||
| Not necessarily in terms of, obviously they have a lot of stuff I'm sure they disagree on, but the idea that I'm gonna tune in because I don't always agree with this guy. | ||
| But I like him. | ||
| I think he's personable, I like what he has to say, I like that he's up front about where he's | ||
| coming from, and I don't think that they're trying to mislead me. And at the end of the day, I think | ||
| that's what anybody wants. And I think that corporate America, and specifically corporate | ||
| media, has lost that. They've totally lost that sense of it. | ||
| You know, we did, there was this sort of hagiography of the 9/11 anchors. I don't know if | ||
| you saw any of that, because they just had the 20th anniversary. But all the anchors were, you | ||
| know, and Brokaw and Jennings, and Rather, they were the ones that walked us through that. And I don't | ||
| really remember them being the ones who But that was like the last shining moment where you really only had three choices for your media and now it's totally dispersed and it ain't going back. | ||
| That genie ain't going back in the bottle, the toothpaste ain't going back in the tube, the bell cannot be unrung, right? | ||
| You are going to have now a bifurcated media. | ||
| So does that lead to parallel economies? | ||
| Does that lead to parallel systems? | ||
| Does that lead to parallel countries? | ||
| I hope not. | ||
| I really, really, really hope not because I really don't want to do that. | ||
| So that's why I've always been trying to set, you know, basic guidelines. | ||
| The New Yorker just ran a piece yesterday. | ||
| Yeah, yesterday. | ||
| We call for sabotage and the bombing and and blowing up pipelines. | ||
| I said, look, You have to put a fault line on no doxing, right? | ||
| No going after families and no violence. | ||
| It's simple. | ||
| No violence. | ||
| You lay down some of those guardrails, at least so that at least, you know, if we're going to have these culture wars, right? | ||
| We don't want to blow up the entire country while we're at it. | ||
| So. | ||
| But is that the inherent problem? | ||
| I mean, I've discussed this with Tucker and a bunch of other people, that they actually believe you should do those things, and that political violence is okay. | ||
| And maybe if you have to take out a couple bloggers like they would do in Bangladesh or Pakistan, that's kind of okay. | ||
| We can blow up. | ||
| I mean, this headline from, it was New Yorker or New York? | ||
| Yeah, New Yorker, right? | ||
| New Yorker. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, literally, we can blow things up. | ||
| Like, maybe we have to. | ||
| We have rules, they don't. | ||
| This is an asymmetric problem. | ||
| Well, see, that comes down to a larger question of the rule of law, right? | ||
| So will, were the laws applied equally to, you know, and I'm not someone who says I defend what happened on January 6th, but I do like, I do look at it from perspective of saying, were the laws applied to the January 6th rioters the same way they were applied to the Antifa rioters of 2020, right? | ||
| Was it applied at the same level or to the people that attacked Trump's inauguration in 2017 in Washington DC, right? | ||
| In many cases on some of the same streets. | ||
| right where this took place. So we can see obviously not and the ACLU came in and the | ||
| city of Washington DC had to pay a 1.2 million dollar settlement to the 200 antifa that were | ||
| arrested en masse because of false targeting and all this other junk, this settlement with them. | ||
| And so that's the problem of the system that we're in. | ||
| And so what I what I try to do is I turn this around and I say, look, if you are on the right or if you're someone who's the victim of this, you have to prosecute. | ||
| And if you can't prosecute, you have to sue and you have to stand up and you have to do it now. | ||
| That's why anybody who's taken a swing at me or there's that picture of me and the Antifa guy. | ||
| I'm taking to court. | ||
| I will testify. | ||
| I will press charges every single time. | ||
| If you can't be identified, then guess what? | ||
| We are going to identify you. | ||
| We're going to put you behind bars. | ||
| If you're lying, you're screaming, you're doing, you know, defamation, we'll bring charges against you, right? | ||
| You have to use the system of law and peaceful civil disobedience, right? | ||
| The same way that I see people saying, like, I refuse, you know, zero refuse, right? | ||
| In terms of these vaccine mandates, because that's the only way that people en masse are going to be able to say, no, we check out. | ||
| What else is on your mind these days besides all of this? | ||
| On my mind? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I've been, I want to write a historical fiction novel or possibly comic book series about Washington DC. | ||
| I've been, I've actually been thinking about that lately. | ||
| There's this, there's this whole idea that Washington DC has always been this like, you know, pristine capital, but there is actually like in the post civil war era, there's been a, there was a huge, Just just seedy underbelly of Washington, but right in between where the White House is ensconced and the Capitol building. | ||
| And there's a canal. | ||
| There used to be a canal, actually, because that was sort of the main thoroughfare in the past that connected the Potomac River to the U.S. | ||
| Capitol. | ||
| And so the senators, the congressmen would go back and forth. | ||
| And so it's kind of where the National Mall is now. | ||
| It's all it's all, you know, covered up now. | ||
| But back in the day, that area used to be so bad. | ||
| The Union soldiers from the Civil War would go in there and it was saloons and brothels and just craziness. | ||
| And it was so bad that people would go in there and they would just find dead bodies floating around in this canal all the time. | ||
| And so one of the things that they started referring to the place was was Murder Bay. | ||
| And I just thought, man, It's it was a swamp. | ||
| And then it was Murder Bay. | ||
| And now it's Washington DC. | ||
| And if people want to actually understand the history, the real history of what happens in our nation's capital, we have to actually start telling these stories. | ||
| So that's, that's one thing I'm looking at. | ||
| Because again, you know, you know, you talk about Look, the Daily stuff and the China stuff and all that, that's my drive. | ||
| That's doing the show. | ||
| This is the Human Events Daily studio. | ||
| We just partnered with Turning Point USA. | ||
| We're doing this now every day. | ||
| We went number one for the first two weeks that we're out. | ||
| It was amazing for Apple politics. | ||
| And for that one, I keep it short. | ||
| It's like 25 minutes. | ||
| I call it the bottom line up front. | ||
| Be good, be brief, be gone, right? | ||
| And it's like something you can just share it with your normies a couple of stories a day. | ||
| But I really want to keep going with this cultural stuff. | ||
| You can kind of see I have a lot of passion for it. | ||
| I have a lot of interest for it. | ||
| And I think that ultimately certain The daily stuff has a shelf life, right? | ||
| You know, listen to one, you hear one of these things, even this conversation that you and I are having, it's, you know, maybe relevant for like a couple of weeks and then it's gone, right? | ||
| But if you have a cultural product, you have artwork, if you have something that you're putting real value into, and that is also has an exegesis of, you know, timeless values, really. | ||
| Then that's something that you can look back 30 years and say, you know what? | ||
| There's a reason that we read certain books over and over. | ||
| There's a reason that certain collections of books have gone down through the ages. | ||
| And I'm not saying that I'm gonna write something like that, but I do think that that stuff, long-term speaking, actually has a lot of value. | ||
| I'm with you, man. | ||
| Build new things, write new books, and although we will link, to the book down below. | ||
| I will give you a chance one more time. | ||
| If you wanna very cleanly and clearly sell a pillow right now, we can go out on that note. | ||
| Dave, I don't know. | ||
| You know, I know you travel a lot in your business. | ||
| I know there's so much you do. | ||
| Everybody in the world's like, I want Dave Rubin! | ||
| How do I get Dave Rubin? | ||
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| Thanks, man. | ||
| Appreciate it, Dave. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
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