Nigel Farage joins Dave Rubin to argue that open-door immigration destroyed UK socialism, warning Democrats face similar risks of alienating Midwest voters. He urges Republicans to unite against a globalist establishment driven by George Soros, criticizing the Biden administration's malleability to hard-left agendas and the destructive nature of Black Lives Matter. Defending Brexit as a victory over bureaucracy, Farage highlights the UK's rapid vaccine rollout versus EU failures, while advocating for grassroots activism to counter union influence and support candidates like DeSantis. Ultimately, he suggests that avoiding doom-mongering and building a "People's Army" are essential for political survival in 2022. [Automatically generated summary]
But one of the things that I love about you, and we've gotten to know each other over the years a little bit, we've had a couple of gin and tonics together once or twice.
But you're the type of politician that actually does instead of just talks.
Can you talk a little bit about what that is like?
Because I think most people see politicians at this point basically just as bureaucrats who pretty much just take their money and do nothing, or maybe lock them in their homes.
But you actually make things happen, and that's gotta be very different than most of the people that you're around often, or have been around over the years.
So in June 99, against the flow, totally unpredicted, I found myself being elected as a member of the European Parliament, and everybody was shocked.
Yeah, who is this guy?
What's this new party?
And I remember the next morning, the phone rang, and it was a guy who'd been a commentator and a satirist in Britain, a guy called Christopher Booker, very intelligent man.
And Christopher said to me that morning, he said, Nigel, after 40 years of study, I can tell you, there are two types of people in politics.
There are those who want to be someone, and there are those who want to do something.
And make your mind up, young man.
I was young then.
He said, make your mind up, young man, which of those you want to be.
And here's the point.
He was absolutely right.
The vast majority of people in politics are there for rank, title, position, status, and they'll sell their grandmothers to climb the greasy pole because for them it's all about career advancement.
Then you get people in politics who are doing it out of genuine conviction because they believe the agenda they're pursuing is going to make their country better and the lives of their people better.
And I personally couldn't give a damn.
about titles.
People say, oh, you're not Lord Nigel, you're not Sir Nigel.
I couldn't care less about any of that.
I did this because I could see globalism building.
Back in the 1990s, I could see bureaucracy was beginning to win over democracy, and I was determined to do something about it.
So yeah, I'm a doer, and I'm not here for the title.
The first big moment was in 1990, when the government pegged sterling against the basket of European currencies, effectively the Deutsche Mark.
Now, anybody with any economic history knows all pegged currency systems end in disaster.
None of them, through time, ever succeed.
And they'd done it because they wanted us to join what became the euro.
And that was the first alarm bell.
That whatever they were telling the electorate come general election time, actually, they were literally selling off our country.
And then there was a rebellion.
In 1993, there was a rebellion.
Backbench conservatives rebelled over a new European treaty, the treaty that turned it from a European community into a European Union with a flag and anthem and all of those things.
And I watched this rebellion.
And right at the last minute, John Major, who was the Prime Minister, used a motion of confidence to get this treaty pushed through.
And I couldn't believe it.
I said, well, hang on.
You've been telling me, guys, that if this treaty goes through, we lose our independence.
And yet, when it came to it, you decided to put your career, you decided to put your party above the interests of the country.
And I realised then that the so-called Tory Eurosceptics were frankly A bunch of chinless wonders.
A bunch of losers.
None of them had the stomach for the fight.
And I said in 93, I'm going to do this.
I don't care if people laugh at me.
I don't care if I'm the only person that votes for me.
I'm going to fight this and do this as a matter of principle.
You know, frankly, that moment spelt the next 27 years of my life.
Did you have any idea the opposition that you were gonna come against?
I mean, when I was in London last time, when I saw you, it was during the tour with Jordan Peterson, and it was in the middle of Brexit, but there was still a huge feeling like, Ah, maybe it's not gonna happen and maybe the bureaucrats still will take over or do some last minute tricks.
And then of course it was framed that all the people that supported it were racists and bigots and all the rest of it.
But just the endless machine that we now all see that has been so exposed, and in many ways from an American perspective, thanks to Donald Trump, was so exposed.
Did you realize how crazy that machine was gonna be and what it was gonna do to you and your supporters?
Gandhi, of course, fought the campaign for India to leave the British Empire and to get its independence.
And Gandhi once said, first they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they attack you, and then you win.
And I went through every one of those four stages, you know.
In the beginning, I was being ignored completely.
When they couldn't ignore me, I think I was the most cartooned, the most lampooned person on comedy shows.
It was as if I was like the sort of patron saint of lost causes.
And then, and then, the moment that it really changed was in 2004, eight and then ten former communist countries joined the European Union with total rights of free movement.
And this led to millions of people coming into the United Kingdom.
It was too much, too quickly.
It was out of control.
And that was the moment when I linked the immigration issue with the sovereignty issue, the independence issue.
And that was the moment that the establishment turned on me.
And they spent basically the next 15 years trying to tell anyone that would listen that I was a racist leading a dark, dangerous movement that harked back to the 1930s.
I mean, nothing could have been, David, nothing could have been further from the truth.
That is what they tried to do.
And I have to tell you, in all honesty, if I'd known Just how horrible my life was going to be.
I don't know whether I would have done it.
I mean, you know, I finished up having to live with protection around the clock.
If you went out somewhere, people threw things at you.
And this was the media.
This was mainstream media working with big global corporations, trying to maintain their own self-interest.
But in the end, in the end, you know, you can keep pushing accusations against somebody, but if you can't prove it, It's a little bit, it's a little bit like crying wolf.
And in the end, people saw through it.
But yeah, it was it was tough.
It was hard.
And then, you know, I was perhaps guilty of some naivety, because on the 23rd of June 2016, that moment where we've won And all the parties promised that they would honour the result.
And then we saw a three-year campaign.
As you say, we were told we didn't know what we voted for.
We were told property prices would collapse.
We were told millions of jobs would be lost.
We were told foreign direct investment from America and elsewhere would dry up.
We were even told, brace yourself for this one, We are even told there would be an outbreak of super gonorrhea in the country because the drug that was used to treat it came from Germany and we wouldn't even get supplies of drugs.
I mean, there is no depth to which these people did not sink.
But the resolve of the British people did not budge one inch, and I believe There is a parallel.
I don't believe those 75 million people who voted for Donald Trump have changed their mind.
In fact, I think in many ways, probably in their hearts, they feel it even more strongly.
And that's why I'm on this tour, to spread that message, a message of optimism.
a message that you can beat the odds, you really can.
Yeah, look, I think, yeah, obviously the election result was a shock.
The events of January the 6th were unsavory.
There's no other way of putting it.
And it's been difficult.
It's been very, very difficult.
And yes, as you say, Biden being pulled to the left, Biden, you know, even dropping references to God, which I think shocked- Just this morning, yeah.
Many, many, yeah, yeah.
Many, many tens of millions of Americans.
I understand why people feel depressed and down, but look, I was getting this in 2018 in the UK, in the 2019.
Everyone's saying to me, Nigel, it's done, it's finished, it's not going to happen.
And I kept saying to them, no.
And I spent that period of time planning, planning the next fight back, planning the next big campaign, because I knew, I just knew that once we got the arguments back out there again, people would rally, rally to the flag, as it were.
So, look, I understand it, but I think there is a responsibility here on American commentators, American journalists, American politicians who are on the centre right in this country.
They have a responsibility.
To stop doom-mongering, frankly, to the extent that many of them are.
And over the course of the last couple of weeks, I've met with a lot of congressmen, congresswomen, and they are down.
They are depressed.
They are down.
Well, if you're depressed and down, if you're disillusioned, if you're defeatist, that then becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
So I would just say to all these commentators and all these elected politicians, If you give the appearance of being miserable and depressed, you are letting down not just your party, not just the millions of voters, you're letting down the country.
I mean, goodness me.
You know, Winston Churchill, in the middle of the Blitz, when the big cities were being bombed night after night for 60 nights, and what did Churchill do?
He said, we will come through this and move on to the sunlit uplands.
Even at that darkest of desperate moments, with thousands being killed every day by bombing, Churchill offered a vision, the shining light on the hill, the optimism.
And that's what needs conservative politicians need to start doing it.
And frankly, need to start doing it very quickly, because the electoral cycles here, it's almost unending, isn't it?
But if there are going to be big successes in the midterms, dramatic successes, In the midterms, people have got to get prepared and start planning right now.
Yeah, look, my first job, After I left college was in 1982 working for Drexel Burnham Lambert of Wall Street fame.
All right.
I spent I spent 20 years working for American companies before getting involved in politics.
And since 2016, I've been pretty involved in politics here, too.
You know, I came in 2016.
Trump put me on a stage with him in Jackson, Mississippi, and I came with the message That because we'd won Brexit against the establishment, that you too, the Trump campaign, could upset the odds.
So I have a huge interest in what happens here.
I'd also say this to you.
You know, we've got Brexit.
We're free.
We're away from this bureaucracy.
And the signs for the future of our country are looking very, very good.
Even the IMF now think, having told us doom and disaster would befall us, that we're now going to outperform the French and German economies.
All right?
You know, the point is this.
The point is this.
If we with Brexit, if America falls.
If America falls to hard left socialism, you know, and we know that those behind Black Lives Matter and elsewhere are dedicated Marxists, determined to bring down the Western world.
If America falls, where does that leave us as Brexit Britain?
Because the fact is, the English speaking peoples of the world share something extraordinary between us.
You know, we are all family.
We know whether people like that or not, but we are all family.
So I don't want America to fall.
And I like to think, David, But the message I brought in 2016 did give people a sense of, wow, these guys have done it.
We can do it.
And I'm trying to come back with that same optimistic message again.
So I'm spending six weeks going around, you know, speaking to grassroots events, trying to rally people.
And I can tell you, Already two weeks in, the number of people that have come up to me and said, boy, I really needed to hear that.
You know, it's interesting, the kids, I don't know if you know the phrase black pill, but the kids are calling this black pill when you sort of, you're red pilled, meaning you've woken up to all of this.
And then I know you get that one, but then the black pill is, oh, but now the whole system is so corrupt and so against us that you just sort of, Check out, so you're kind of waking them up from that, because that's the path you don't want everybody to go down.
So the British Labour Party has its roots way back to 1900.
It was a working class movement.
It was quite strongly Methodist as well, sort of low church, high church for the Tories, low church for Labour was kind of how it was.
And it was genuinely a working class movement.
But a patriotic working class movement.
The Labour Party, you know, whatever socialist policies they brought in post 1945, they believed in the country.
You know, Clement Attlee, who was the Prime Minister that brought in the welfare state, on his door it said Major Clement Attlee.
He was proud of the First World War service that he'd given.
And what has happened to the Labour Party is it's become a party of the globalist metropolitan elite.
It's become a party predominantly of the upper middle classes, people born into relative sort of champagne socialists, I guess, is the kind of phrase that we would use.
And their globalist view means they're ashamed of saying anything vaguely patriotic.
They wouldn't be seen dead, you know, with a Union Jack or an English cross of St.
George because they don't like any of this symbolism.
And on Brexit, they have completely and utterly You know, turn their back on Brexit in every way.
They lost a special election, a by-election in the north of England.
It had been a Labour seat forever.
They pick someone to stand who thinks we should rejoin the European Union.
I mean, they just don't get it.
But the key, and this is where I think the crossover could be very interesting, the key is this.
When UKIP started to pick up millions of votes, It wasn't just middle class conservatives voting for Nigel Farage.
No, it was patriotic working class people living in the north of England, a lot of them in the north of England, and people who believed that mass uncontrolled immigration was driving down their wages, changing their communities beyond all recognition.
And that doesn't make these people racist.
It makes them want to keep their towns, their communities, their families in some shape that is recognisable.
And they were the people that came to me.
And, you know, I'll tell you something.
The Labour Party at the centre basically thinks we're all global citizens.
We can all go wherever they want.
So Labour has lost its voters on Brexit.
It's lost its voters on open borders.
It scared its voters when Jeremy Corbyn It was pretty much an anti-Semite as well, was its leader.
And the Labour vote now is collapsing.
So look at what's happening on the border.
I'll bet you, if we had dinner tonight with AOC, now that sounds pretty unlikely, David, I know.
But if we talk to that group, they would not be in the least bit concerned.
about what's happening down on the border.
In fact, we understand some of the people that come are given Kamala Harris books to read.
I mean, you can't believe it, but it's happening.
They don't think it matters.
And I think that the risk for the Democrats is they fall as out of touch with people living in the Midwest, living wherever else it is in this country.
Open door immigration got Brexit over the line and has destroyed socialism in the United Kingdom.
And that, I think, is a very inspiring message.
It needs a Republican party that's got a distinct, clear message as to how they're gonna deal with the crisis.
So they've gotta get themselves organized.
But with the right message, there are an awful lot of Democrat voters that will vote Republican next year.
Do you think there's a fundamental reason that the left tends to always double down instead of saying, oh, something has changed here and maybe we need to take a look in the mirror, but instead they always seem to go to their most extreme?
Because that seems to be the outlier at the moment.
It's like, is he gonna run?
What I've been trying to tell people is, to me, it seems like the best thing he could do is basically be the outsider taking the fire, and then you get a guy like DeSantis to just run right through.
That seems to make sense to me, but Trump obviously does whatever Trump thinks is best.
Yeah, I have spent some time with him on this trip, And that's a meeting of friends, basically.
We have become friends.
This is what I said to him, OK?
I won't say what he said, but this is what I said to him.
I said, look, we've got the external threat of the Chinese Communist Party getting more and more aggressive.
And who's to say in Taiwan or elsewhere what might occur over the course of the next few years?
We've got the internal threat, which, of course, is cancel culture.
and the threats that represents to free speech and everything else.
And I said to him, I don't see anybody who's got the courage or the charisma to fight those
things. Now, if somebody else comes along who's got the big charisma that can do the job,
that can rally people in those working class communities to go out and maybe for the first time
vote Republican, if that person comes along, then fine. But you know something,
Donald Trump, people like him don't come along very often.
I mean, the guy has got an incredible animal magnetism, and he's shown more courage as a leader than any global leader I've seen in my lifetime.
That guy was under relentless assault from day one, just as they tried to stop Brexit, they tried to delegitimize him, and it never stopped.
And of course, if he'd eased back on his policies, they would have eased back on the pressure.
But he didn't.
He's got the courage of a lion.
Now look, he's got his faults.
Of course he has.
We've all got our faults.
But in his heart, and with his instincts, does he stand for the right things?
I truly believe that he does.
So let's see what happens as the next couple of years roll out.
But do you know what?
When I saw him, he's lost a lot of weight.
He's playing loads of golf, taking loads of exercise.
He looks younger than he looked in 2016.
I mean, most American presidents age.
Obama and Co.
You can almost see them graying before your eyes.
And the fact that he's going to be 78 next time around, well, who knows?
But God willing, if he's in the same kind of shape that he's in now, there's nothing to stop him from doing it.
And the other point here that's worth mentioning, I went to I think it was eight of the rallies in the run up to the November election all over America.
You know, it's kind of funny because I remember when I met you for breakfast one morning and we took a picture and I posted the picture and then people were saying, oh, look, you're with that racist, that racist.
And meanwhile, we sat there for two hours, we talked about freedom, we talked about liberty, all this stuff.
And it's very similar to going to a Trump rally when I started going to those rallies.
And I'm thinking, oh, am I gonna see these racists here or something like that?
And it's the happiest, most joyful people who, in many cases, are not political at all.
I mean, this has been a constant attempt by the left to tarnish us with this racism word, and it just doesn't work anymore.
The real racists are actually those behind Black Lives Matter.
And I really mean that.
You know, when Martin Luther King said In that amazing speech.
I mean, what an orator the guy was.
But when he said, I want my four children to be judged not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.
And now what's happening through BLM and elsewhere is we are dividing people up into different groups, dividing them up on the grounds of race, Ethnicity, gender, whatever else it may be.
And that is disastrous.
That is destructive.
That is the real racism.
And I loathe it.
And I want to live in a country where everybody is treated exactly the same.
Because if you start giving special privileges to certain groups, you then automatically alienate other groups who feel left out.
A free, fair society would have equality of opportunity for all.
And of course, I condemn and loathe racism.
And yes, there are some.
There is a fringe.
On the extreme right, who I think we should simply, David, have nothing to do with whatsoever.
But you're quite right.
You know, whether it was my UKIP supporters, my Brexit Party supporters, Trump supporters at the rallies, these are very, very good, decent people.
And the more mainstream media, you know, or Hillary Clinton point fingers at them and call them deplorable or ignorant or stupid, the greater their resolve to fight What do you make about how the BLM movement, some of the Antifa stuff, that now that is being exported.
Yeah, I mean, within 24 hours of the death of George Floyd, within 24 hours, there were riots in the streets of London.
So don't tell me this was a spontaneous outpouring.
This was all planned.
They'd been waiting for the opportunity.
I mean, I was disgusted, I mean, to see, The Cenotaph in London, the monument to one and a half million dead fighting for liberty in two world wars, to see that desecrated, to see the Churchill statue repeatedly desecrated.
And what stunned me was to see British police officers taking the knee in the streets.
They don't, well some do, some do, some do, but I think we're going to have to, that's a policy that we'll need to change, no question about that.
But to take the knee, and I was going on UK TV and radio and writing, saying to everybody, understand what this is.
If this organisation was genuinely about equality, genuinely about getting rid of racial prejudice, I'd have no problem with it whatsoever.
But the truth of it is, and you've only got to read their website.
They tell you they're an avowedly Marxist organization intent on defunding the police, bringing down Western capitalism and for a new Marxist order to take its place.
Do you think he has a chance to actually, from a liberal, a true liberal perspective, do you think he has a chance to fight off the progressive movement onslaught?
You know, I mean, if you'd said to me 20 years ago, Nigel, where are you on the left-right spectrum, I'd have called myself a Gladstonian liberal.
You know, Gladstone was a liberal prime minister back in the 19th century, but one who believed in freedom of the individual, you know, believed in the country.
Classical liberalism, if you go to the Oxford Union and debate with some of the brightest students in the world, maybe there you can talk about classical liberalism.
If you try and talk about classical liberalism to anybody else, if they're conservatives, just go mad.
Because the word liberal now means illiberal.
The liberals wanna ban everything.
The liberals wanna control everything.
The liberals don't even believe in free speech.
So yeah, classical liberalism, I'm afraid, is only for the debating chamber.
Well, The truth of it is that Boris Johnson's government were painfully slow to address the issue when it first came to us.
18 million people flew into the United Kingdom during the first months of COVID-19 without a single person even being asked to take a test.
So we directly imported this.
When the government then did decide it was going to do something and lock us down, the truth of it is they've taken it way too far.
At the moment, We're 50% lockdown still.
I mean, even though COVID deaths now are in single figures every day, right?
Single figures every day.
On many days, the number of road deaths will be bigger than the number of COVID deaths and suicides on a lot of days will be bigger than COVID deaths.
You can go to a pub, but you can't drink inside.
You have to drink outside.
Which at this time of the year in England isn't very appealing.
You can go to a restaurant, but you can't eat inside.
You have to eat outside.
Non-essential shops are back open, but the damage that's been done to them by Amazon is just incalculable.
Because that's where we finished up with this.
You know, I couldn't go.
Say I wanted to buy a pair of trainers for my kids.
I couldn't go to the local market town and buy them because the shop was closed.
I had to order them through Amazon online.
And this is one of the great sadnesses.
It's the little people that have been so, it's the self-employed and little people that have been hurt.
And of course, the public sector, oh, they love it.
I mean, this is fantastic for them.
They're being paid to sit at home and drink beer without any threat to their jobs.
So it's big business and big government has benefited from this.
So look, frankly, we should have eased up a long time ago.
But I will say this, Boris, despite everything, Despite his own personal difficulties, of which he's got many, despite all of that, there's been one huge success, and it's this.
It's the vaccine rollout.
None of us have ever lived perfect lives, but gosh, his is very, very complicated to
say the least.
Despite all of that, there's been one huge success and it's this.
It's the vaccine rollout.
OK, so as members of the European Union, we were part of the European Medicines Agency
and the European Medicines Agency, through an unelected European commissioner, was to
make the decision in any pandemic as to what should be done.
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We left the European Medicines Agency with Brexit, and The Guardian and others said this proved that Brexit was a death cult, because we'd left the all-embracing arms of this big unelected government.
And the truth of it is, the one thing they have got spectacularly right They handed this job to a woman from private equity, who in six months put in place a system, as opposed to the EU, where a woman from Cyprus, who nobody had ever heard of, who nobody had ever voted for, with a degree in psychology and no other life achievements that I could discern,
has made an absolute, complete and utter mess of it.
So you know, basically, basically, we vaccinated, you know, three, four, five times the number of people that our European counterparts have.
And that is being seen as a, you know, by the way, if you don't want to take the vaccine, nobody should force you to take the vaccine.
But basically, people over 50, people who are overweight, people who've got diabetes, you know, in vast numbers, they have gone to get the vaccine.
And it kind of proves Whether you're pro-vaccine or not, it kind of proves that we're better off outside the European Union.
So to you, that must be like the true reward of this thing, that when push came to shove, not only did you get it there, but then in the year or so since, people are actually going, oh, there was a reason for this, and the country didn't collapse, and racists aren't running in the streets, and everything else.
So speaking of other European countries, do you sense that some of the Eastern European countries that are doing more on borders right now, that seem to be fighting a lot of the critical race theory stuff, not allowing some of the gender stuff into the system, do you sense that they're better set up to fight this stuff than say the UK and America?
Because they were communist countries and more recently, and they sort of get the bad stuff that could be on the horizon.
Is that really why they're setting up?
Well, I'm talking specifically about Poland and some of the countries over there.
I mean, have a five minute study of the history of Poland in the 20th century.
It is a desperate, desperate history.
You know, I mean, not just communists, but Nazis invaded.
I mean, the whole thing.
So bloody, so awful.
And of course, the tragedy in 1945 that, you know, as Churchill very much predicted in that speech at Fulton, that we finished up with an iron curtain, as he named it, down the centre of Europe.
You know, these Poles, the reason they joined the European Union is because it was sold in a job lot with NATO.
Now, if I was a Pole, I would absolutely want to be in NATO, you know, for every reason.
But now the debate that's going on in Poland and in Hungary is if unelected bureaucrats in Brussels are telling us who we should appoint to court positions, what decisions we should make on gay marriage or other very important social issues, the argument is now resurfacing.
Well, hey, what's the difference between this and living under the Soviet Union?
And you're right about their culture, their identity, And indeed, they're Christianity.
Christianity is very, very strong in those two countries that I've mentioned.
And I think everything the European Union does continues to alienate those very proud countries.
And I think at some point, at some point, they will not stay part of this union.
And the other interesting dynamic that's going on is the single European currency, the euro.
All right.
means that all countries in it are in the same economic and monetary union.
How can Greece and Germany coexist inside the same economic and monetary union?
They can't.
It's literally impossible for cultural reasons.
And at some point in time, Greece, Italy, perhaps even Portugal, will decide we simply
can't go on like this because they've got the wrong valuation of currency.
It's hopeless.
And I remember the late, great Milton Friedman saying that if you get stuck in a currency
peg that's wrong for your country, one of two things happens.
Either you get out and devalue, or you devalue the country.
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I I think Greece knows a little something about that right now.
You know, Buddy Can You Spare Us a Dime in the Depression was a 16% fall.
This is a 25% fall.
So, you know, far from being this wonderful project, that was going to serve all the peoples of Europe well.
It's robbing them of their independence.
It's making huge numbers of them poorer.
Oh, sure, if I was a German car manufacturer, I'd love it, because the Deutsche Mark would be a damn sight higher than the Euro is.
So it's been wonderful for German exports.
But no, look, I recognised this early on.
I recognised that this was just yet another attempt to dominate everything and take everything over.
I called it in the parliament repeatedly.
I said, this is the new form of communism.
And of course, whenever I did that, 500 of them would start booing and screaming and jeering.
But hey, it didn't bother me.
I mean, I rather enjoyed it.
And that's what it is.
And of course, for the globalists, you know, for people here like the Clintons, the Bidens, the Obamas, who so love the European Union project, Brussels is the epicenter of the globalist project.
And if we can defeat that, I really genuinely believe we're taking the free world or putting the free world back into a far better place.
And for some of those with a hard left agenda, that makes him quite useful, because he isn't going to resist too much.
I'm also told that his actual work rate is down to just less than a handful of hours every day.
He's just physically not up to it.
And I've been asking the same question that you've asked in the last two weeks here.
The common consensus is that team Obama still have a massive hand to play in all of this.
And I don't know enough, maybe you do, I don't know enough to contradict this, but that's certainly from those who I would judge to be in the know, that's their view.
You remember there was that famous interview years ago where Obama said it would be great if he could just not be president, but be pulling the strings from behind.
That would be pretty, I mean, the guy said it himself.
Do you sense now that you're here in America and you're on tour and you're in the middle of the country and seeing the heartland and everything, that America is uniquely set up to fight this, even though maybe we can't quite see it right now, but our history, the way we left King George, the way we fought for independence in a very unique way, the way that this country was set up as an idea for all people, Do you think, is that in essence the thing that you really want to reignite?
And is that why you've got that flag behind you right now?
Yes, yeah, you know, I mean, I'm not American, but I have a huge, as I've said already in this interview, a huge self-interest and I care passionately what happens in this country.
And you're right, you know, when American children were being taught properly at school, I'm not sure they all are these days, but they were being taught all about the revolution, breaking free, about liberty, about the amazing constitution that those brilliant minds put together.
So, yeah, I think it is deeply ingrained within the American people.
Of course, you know, through welfareism and other problems, you know, there is a growth of the leftist ideology, but it is still a small activist minority.
And what you've got to do is to reach out.
You know, there's something like 30, 40 percent, 40 percent who just don't vote in American elections.
And yet their lives are being directly affected by what has happened.
We got Brexit.
We got Brexit.
We won that referendum because two and a half million people who literally never voted in their lives came out because they believe they can make a difference.
And I think if the Republican candidates can get that message out.
And it's not just the negative message, but it is genuinely about how they can make life better for people.
You've gotta mobilize those that don't normally vote.
And I think America's history does lend itself to that.
No, I'm basically going to, Activist groups and in some towns we go through that might be 30 people meeting in a bar and other events, you know I'm speaking at events in Arizona where
That's in a couple of weeks time where, you know, 500 of book tickets already and I've no doubt it'll be a lot bigger than that on the day.
But I'm meeting the people who give of their time, their love, their energy, people that really care.
And I'm going out and meeting them in their thousands and trying to re-motivate them, trying to get them out of.
And when I sit and talk to them, they are very, very down.
Very, very down indeed.
So I'm trying through the Brexit, you know, the Brexit example, And also the immigration issue, to explain to them that, you know, a huge victory may not be too far away.
So that's the main emphasis.
Obviously, I'm doing media, various other things like that.
But really, this is about getting out with Freedomworks and meeting these people who did such a great job.
I mean, just look at the House, you know, where the party picked up seats.
And I've met congressmen and women who say, look, we love this organisation because when we need help, when we shout, keen people arrive.
So it is about motivation.
And it's also, too, I want to raise an issue, which is most people in and around politics I think that the grassroots bit doesn't really matter.
And it's the least glamorous bit of politics.
But I know from all the races that I've been involved in, and particularly when we got Brexit back on track, I know that a good grassroots campaign is the absolute key.
Because remember this, on the left side of the debate here in America, you've got the trade unions, you've got many of the students, they have an army on the ground.
And at the moment, I don't believe the Republican Party does have one of Sufficient scale and sufficient size.
So I'm trying to push that argument that everybody can help.
It's no good just turning up and clapping somebody.
You've actually, if you believe in this, you've got to commit that you're going to do something.
And it doesn't matter if you're 97 and sitting in a wheelchair.
You can still do something.
You can still make some phone calls.
There are still things that everybody can do.
And if you really do want to save your country from hard left socialism, Sitting around and complaining isn't the answer.
Do you think it's kind of funny that you ended up, you did the Brexit thing, and now you're here doing this, and it's like, there'll probably be something else that you'll be fighting for in 10 years?
You don't strike me as someone that will ever retire.
At the end of the day, I think the most important thing we can all do as human beings, and as early as possible if we can, find out what you're good at.
Find out the one thing in life that you're good at and pursue it.
And I'll be honest with you, there are lots of things I'm terrible at.
Lots of things I'm hopeless at.
But I've always... I like people.
I'm very gregarious.
I'm very social, as you mentioned earlier on in the chat we've had.
And I love going out.
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Perhaps to spread a little bit of inspiration, a little bit of optimism.
So no, I'm going to go on fighting for these conservative causes across the English-speaking world.
And so I'll do stuff in the UK.
I'll do stuff here.
I can't wait to get back to Australia to do more stuff down there.
As for New Zealand, I'm not quite sure where we stand there, given that they've now basically sold their souls to the Chinese Communist Party, which should be a warning to all of us.
So no, I love this.
I love campaigning, I love life, and yeah, I'm gonna keep on running.
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