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One thing that came out on my podcast with him, because I asked him, there's this misconception that old people or people that were poor lost money at my firm. | ||
It just wasn't true. | ||
It was not true. | ||
I ran the firm and this was a policy in place. | ||
We only call rich people Now, A, it was on purpose. | ||
I didn't want people that couldn't afford to lose to lose. | ||
But also, because I'm a greedy bastard. | ||
Like, hey, you know what? | ||
If you're going to go take money, you might as well take it from those who have the most, because you're going to get the most. | ||
So I'm not trying to say I was the greatest guy ever, but I certainly purposely steered clear of people | ||
that could not afford to lose money, right? | ||
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I'm Dave Rubin and joining me today is an entrepreneur, a motivational speaker, | ||
a best-selling author, and the original Wolf of Wall Street, | ||
Finally, welcome to The Rubin Report. | ||
How are you? | ||
I'm glad to be here. | ||
I am good. | ||
What's going on? | ||
Well, I thought you'd be a perfect guy to have on this week because we are both in this crazy town of Los Angeles. | ||
I've been to your house. | ||
It ain't bad, my friend. | ||
You're in your beautiful studio and you got a pretty swank setup. | ||
But tomorrow, Gavin Newsom is gonna allow us to leave our homes. | ||
Can you believe it's actually happening? | ||
You know, let me give you my take on it. | ||
I don't think anybody really listened to him. | ||
I don't think there was any lockdown that I noticed other than that I feel terrible for restaurant owners who were forced for no good reason, at least in my opinion, to close their outdoor dining after they spent tons of money Putting in the safeguards that one would need to have outdoor dining and all the barriers, partitions, heaters. | ||
I mean, it's crazy. | ||
And then just, I mean, I really feel bad, but I have to say, other than that, I think that there was like Corona fatigue here in LA and it was more of a ceremonial lockdown. | ||
I remember the first lockdown, Davey, there was no one on the street. | ||
There was no cars around. | ||
Yeah. | ||
This was not that over the last four weeks. | ||
It was like, oh, let's screw over all the restaurant owners and just like wipe them out of business. | ||
That's kind of what it felt like to me. | ||
How about you? | ||
Yeah, I mean, I think, well, my audience knows. | ||
I mean, we've basically been ignoring it around here and I feel bad for the small business owners and the restauranteurs. | ||
And you know, it's sad when I'm in your neighborhood or even in my neighborhood where you drive by the main drags and everything's closed. | ||
But that's kind of a good spot for us to start because for the people that know you, they know the Leo DiCaprio version of you, But in a way, you're kind of a startup guy. | ||
You're like, you're gritty and you get out there and you do stuff. | ||
That's what your whole career, the ups and the downs has been about. | ||
If you right now were just trying to start up something, how would you feel in the midst of knowing that the government can just come in and shut you down at any point? | ||
I feel like at this point, you have to take advantage of that insane fact that the government can come in and shut down many | ||
different types of commerce right now. | ||
So what you want to do is position yourself in an industry or business that would give you the | ||
greatest likelihood of being insulated from any of those shutdowns. So things that are, you know, | ||
delivered online and can be done from home and get delivered through the mail. | ||
Those are the sort of things right now that everyone is focusing on things that are, you know, virtualizing basically everything. | ||
So I think, you know, I hate to say this, but it's true. | ||
Like in the worst of times, you typically have the most opportunity for people who are willing to go out there and take risks. | ||
So like, if I look at my business and I had this conversation with someone just last night about, you know, that there's a new round of PPP loans coming out and I, I apply for it and I deserve to get it. | ||
My business got decimated, decimated. | ||
My speaking business, because that was my core business, but now I'm doing well because I have a new business. | ||
But the point is, is like, if you, what business you were in last year, you have to say, okay, well, in the new reality, the new normal, if you want to call it, those rules, you know, you can't just go out there and do business the way you used to do it. | ||
I have people working in my house. | ||
I don't have an office. | ||
I focus on online delivery, on virtual learning, on other things I know that won't be as impacted. | ||
So I think that you have to go out there right now and assume that at any given moment, the | ||
rung can be pulled out from under your feet. | ||
And while when we were growing up, we used to call like, "Oh, let's go into defensive | ||
industries like food and like everyone needs to eat, right? | ||
Like the movies, everyone goes, those are like defensive industries, right?" | ||
Well now defensive industries are characterized as things that are defensive, that can't be | ||
shut down by draconian state and government measures. | ||
It's insane. | ||
So do you think that's kind of the key to being a good business person, a good business guy in general, someone who can just see that things have changed? | ||
I think a lot of people right now, they still think that the old world's coming back. | ||
They still think February 2020 is coming back, but February 2021 is gonna be way different than February 2020, and I don't think February 2020 comes back. | ||
I think this is one thing that's always constant in this world, and that is that the world is always changing. | ||
The difference right now, and I think you're 100% right, I don't think things are going back to the way they were, ever. | ||
I really don't. | ||
And not that people won't have, you know, I think people will not always wear masks, and I think that There won't always be people social distancing because, you know, if you look back right now, we're in the middle of bubbles with things like Bitcoin and all this crazy stuff going on with some real estate prices soaring in certain areas. | ||
And you look back in 2008 and we didn't learn anything. | ||
It's the same thing again, another bubble. | ||
So people like, you know, it's really bad after 2008. | ||
In 2008, it was like, oh, we got to be really careful. | ||
We can't have bubbles. | ||
People forget really quickly. | ||
But I think you're right, though, that I think that there's a new way that people have become accustomed to consuming everything, whether it's food, movies, learning, buying products. | ||
I think that people have gotten comfortable right now or used to and even prefer in some respects to Buy things and stay home, and I think that's never gonna change. | ||
I think that's gonna be here to stay. | ||
There's a movie, some crazy movie that was, I think Bruce Willis was in this movie, where they all call, what was it called? | ||
Where they're like, they all live virtual lives. | ||
They're like actually locked away in these like little shells. | ||
They have like their counterparts, like their clones go out there and move through the world because it's too dangerous and too deadly with viruses and diseases. | ||
I can't watch, it's a really interesting movie, but it's almost like what we're heading towards, I feel like. | ||
Yeah I'm shocked I don't know what that is but it's got it's got a bit of the matrix in there for sure right like we're just we're just the batteries for the digital world in essence. | ||
Basically yeah I think that what you know one of the things you brought was a very good point is that you know what makes a great business person it's not just seeing it's also The ability to pivot quickly. | ||
It's pivoting and learning how to be wrong quickly, too. | ||
You have to learn how to try things and be wrong and live to fight another day. | ||
Not to get so emotionally involved in the things that you're trying where you feel like, I gotta make it work. | ||
It's like, you know, I went this far. | ||
You know, no, this is just a bad idea. | ||
And like, you know, you try it, doesn't work, next. | ||
And really to not get caught up in bad ideas. | ||
Not to go down rabbit holes. | ||
And also just to keep trying and trying and trying. | ||
And again, until You find that model, and I think if you do that right now, there is a path to success for everybody out there, no matter how desperate things might seem right now. | ||
So that right there is what I want to spend most of our time talking about, because that's your expertise, and it's not something you're just talking about. | ||
You've freaking lived it. | ||
Right, I live it. | ||
I get it again, always, yeah. | ||
But one thing before we get to that, since we are both in LA, right? | ||
Right now, my audience knows, like, you know, I went to Florida a couple weeks ago. | ||
I was happy, man. | ||
It was open and good. | ||
People were smiling. | ||
Like, there was some great energy there and everything else. | ||
Are you worried about the future of LA? | ||
Not only because of Newsom and lockdowns and all that, but the progressive mayor Garcetti here, and just generally the amount of homeless and drugs and, The whole freaking thing. | ||
Yeah, I'm outta here. | ||
I'm getting outta here. | ||
Oh, you are? | ||
Oh, great. | ||
But you're on my short list of like four friends left now. | ||
I gotta go. | ||
I might keep a small apartment here at some point. | ||
I can't, you know, listen. | ||
California was the place that everybody else dreamed of moving to. | ||
And the weather is beautiful, the terrain is beautiful, the air is mostly clear, at least where we are, right? | ||
But I think really poor political policies have turned it into a fricking cesspool. | ||
Not only that, but into a high-tax cesspool. | ||
And I don't care paying, I'm okay to pay taxes if they're gonna use those taxes for great things, but they're not. | ||
You know, they use the taxes, they're wasted. | ||
And I just, I can't, it's just, it's honestly beyond the pale what's happening here. | ||
And I think the only solace I can take is I think it's worse than San Francisco. | ||
So like, I mean, I think it's actually worse there, right? | ||
So, oh, well, it's not as bad there yet, right? | ||
So I plan on moving to Florida. | ||
It's causing a bubble right now. | ||
Everyone's running to Florida, driving up real estate prices. | ||
I'm kind of waiting. | ||
I don't know. | ||
But again, it's this weird thing here where you and I are watching. | ||
We're almost sitting here and watching in real time the decline and unraveling of once great city. | ||
It's insane to watch. | ||
Yeah, and what's also weird about it, and I think this exact same thing happened in San Francisco, was it doesn't happen overnight. | ||
It takes a couple years, but if you talk to literally everybody, anyone that will talk to you, they all admit it's going in the wrong direction. | ||
Yet for some reason, people in LA, they can't make the connection between voting for policies and these politicians, and then the bad stuff that happens. | ||
There's like a complete disconnect there. | ||
Because I think what happens is that, you know, and I don't want to get to left-right here, but I think that the Democrats have been very, very clever and very adept at at his Hearts and Minds campaign of using this sort of, | ||
they've linked these things with some moral high ground that they have with things like | ||
climate and gay rights and other things that are completely unlinked to the economy | ||
and yet, you know, it becomes an emotional issue and people, when they go to the voting | ||
booth, often vote based on emotion and not based on logic. | ||
And they've been really, really clever. | ||
They've consolidated this party, which comes to represent things that, like, I think most people don't agree with, fiscally. | ||
But they have this overwhelming, and I think the Republicans have made some huge errors, like gay rights. | ||
I mean, good Lord. | ||
I mean, stop already. | ||
I mean, will you just stop? | ||
Just accept it. | ||
It's so stupid. | ||
So if the Republicans hopefully will wake up and see what's going on right now. | ||
And they've come a long way, I believe. | ||
I don't want to get caught up in the election and stuff, but I think that it's time for the Republican Party to be what it should be, which is the most inclusive party for everybody. | ||
That cares about less government, more rights for people, and not screwing around with everybody's life. | ||
And both sides always get hijacked by the extremists on either side, but what happens is the extremists on the left have this moral high ground, so to speak, and they're using that to win the hearts and minds of young people and the academics and the high-tech you know, mafia there, whatever you want to call it. | ||
And it's causing elections to be swayed in one way. | ||
And it's basically taken this once great city and it's, you know, essentially flushed it | ||
literally down the drain. | ||
All right, well, look, if you buy a couple acres in Florida, | ||
maybe just clear out some land for me and I'll- - Yeah, buy the Gator patch. | ||
I'm like, hey, Dave, come on. | ||
Don't worry, they don't bite. | ||
They're not crocs, they're alligators. | ||
Big difference, you know? | ||
Yeah, big difference, big difference. | ||
All right, so let's talk about that other stuff, though. | ||
Let's talk about the stuff that you really, it's your area of expertise. | ||
First off, I am sure that everyone watching this has seen Wolf of Wall Street, but for the people that aren't sure who Jordan Belfort is, give me the minute elevator pitch on what you've done. | ||
So, you know, when I was very young, we grew up in Long Island, both of us, right? | ||
I started a firm in the late 80s, and I uncovered this niche in the market for selling $5 stocks to the richest Americans. | ||
No one had tried it before, and I then very shortly thereafter discovered a way of training salespeople So I could take average people that really weren't great at | ||
sales and make them unbelievable at sales. | ||
Those two things combined resulted in me building what became very quickly the largest firm in the | ||
country back when I was still in my early to mid-20s and I was making a million bucks a week | ||
and I was from a poor family and I absolutely went hog wild and lived out every adolescent fantasy | ||
I could ever have dreamed of. | ||
From, you know, buying a white Ferrari Testarossa because Don Johnson had one in Miami Vice. | ||
From taking a private jet out to LA and renting out the presidential suite, the Beverly Wilshire, because Richard Gere had done it in Pretty Woman. | ||
I went all, I went full on there. | ||
And ultimately, it started off as a beautiful, amazing thing, and I lost my way, and I started manipulating some stocks, smuggled money to Switzerland, clients lost money, I went to jail, and I wrote a book about it, and that book became a movie, and I got really lucky, because when you make a movie, there's two things that can happen. | ||
You can, like, have a movie made about you, and I love Danny DeVito, but let's just say you can get played by Danny DeVito, or... | ||
No offense, no offense. | ||
I love Danny by the butt. | ||
Or Leonardo DiCaprio and have Martin Scorsese direct that movie. | ||
And I have to say, you know, what they did is they took a book that I worked very hard on and I was proud of, and the writer, Terrence Winters, a brilliant guy, and all of us together Created what really ended up being a very special, amazing movie that has certainly stood the test of time and become probably one of the biggest cult hits of all time. | ||
And I think it will... I don't see it ending. | ||
I think it's just here to stay forever because it really connects with people. | ||
Yeah, and it's awesome! | ||
Who could... Scorsese, what can you say, right? | ||
It's just perfect. | ||
I mean, the movie really from start to finish is just perfect. | ||
The speech that Leo, that you give, I mean, it's just absolutely epic and has been memed into a million other things. | ||
I know. | ||
But you mentioned that we're both from Long Island. | ||
You were born in 62, right? | ||
Am I allowed to say that? | ||
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Correct. | |
Am I allowed to say that? | ||
Absolutely. | ||
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I look pretty good considering all the drugs I've consumed, right? | |
I mean, good Lord. | ||
I should be like Keith Richards from the Rolling Stones, but thank God I did pretty well, you know? | ||
No, no, I can't see through your skin, you're doing all right. | ||
But no, you got 14 years on me, but we basically come from virtually the same town, and a lot of the guys that are in the movie that you train, in effect, are from Syosset, they're from Plainview, it's a lot of these local Long Island towns, you know, right outside New York City. | ||
And we talked about this when I was on your show, but I'm sort of fascinated by it. | ||
There is something about Long Island that has generated so many talented people, corrupt people, comedians, actors, money guys, like, it's nuts. | ||
I was gonna say, I didn't want to interrupt you, I was like, there's something in the water. | ||
There's something in the water. | ||
There's something in the water, like even in my apartment building, On my floor. | ||
I lived in this six-story, low-rent apartment building. | ||
Three people on my floor went out to Wall Street and built massive firms. | ||
Now, one of them, besides, he was a good friend, so he worked, but another was an independent guy named Randy Pace, who I babysat for his kids. | ||
He's 10, he's passed away now. | ||
He had one of the largest firms on Wall Street in the 70s. | ||
So it's like there's something, and Syosset, it's like this Syosset, Jericho thing. | ||
I was like Bayside, like it's, and I'll tell you what I think it is. | ||
I'll tell you what I think it is. | ||
I think it is a combination of proximity to massive wealth, but | ||
not actually having massive wealth. | ||
It's about not being so poor that it seems out of reach. | ||
It's about having a great education. | ||
So it creates this almost aspiration. | ||
Like you almost feel like it's just there. | ||
It's within your reach. | ||
You see it's not yours. | ||
You have, you're given the tools because like, I think what's really sad sometimes | ||
in some really, you know, kids that grow up in these. | ||
Bad areas. | ||
They really have the deck stacked against them. | ||
They don't get a great education. | ||
They have a lot of gang violence. | ||
It's almost like they have to really be special to make it out. | ||
And that, hopefully, will continue to change and get better. | ||
But I think we didn't have that. | ||
Although I wasn't born rich, something bad had to happen for me not to get out to the next level. | ||
There was such a pathway out, and I think part of it is that. | ||
Stressing education, for sure, was just a big thing in my area. | ||
And also, there was like this mythical thing, like, you go there, you move out to Long Island, you get rich. | ||
Like, that was a path. | ||
And I think that's part of it, you know? | ||
And I think that if you take those things and it creates a sort of competition and pathway to success. | ||
That's my opinion. | ||
So when you were building the companies and you figured out how you could do this by sort of reaching the rich people with something that wasn't normally thought of as kind of in their world, what kind of like ethical issues were you having as you were doing it? | ||
Like at first did you think it was fully legit and then kind of lost control or did you kind of know or did you not know or like what were you struggling with? | ||
Very good question. | ||
So number one, there's two things, and it's a very interesting fact that came out on my podcast. | ||
I had the FBI agent who indicted me, he's a friend of mine now, wonderful guy. | ||
Oh man, alright, I gotta listen to that. | ||
Yeah, you should have him on your podcast, he's a great guy. | ||
And one thing that came out on my podcast with him, because I asked him, there's this misconception that like That old people or people that were poor lost money at my firm. | ||
It just wasn't true. | ||
Like, it was not true. | ||
Like, I ran the firm and, like, this was a policy in place. | ||
Like, we only call rich people. | ||
Now, A, it was on purpose. | ||
I didn't want people that couldn't afford to lose to lose. | ||
But also, because I'm a greedy bastard. | ||
Like, hey, you know what? | ||
You know, if you're going to go take money, you might as well take it from those who have the most because you're going to get the most. | ||
So I'm not trying to say I was the greatest guy ever, but I certainly First purposely steered clear of people that could not afford to lose money, right? | ||
But yet the perception was that people that couldn't afford lost money. | ||
The FBI agent clarified because what happened was I left the firm. | ||
I sold the firm in 1996. | ||
Five and after that and before that it was very controlled and we were basically I wouldn't listen it wasn't like stealing it wasn't it started off perfectly legit and Then it started to spiral out of control, but it was very contained about 95% legit I would say now that given what I see on Wall Street what I did was a hundred percent legitimate and Like, now, given what I see happening every single day, I used to always say I deserve to go to jail. | ||
Now, I don't really think so anymore, because there's such corruption on Wall Street. | ||
It's, like, so bad now. | ||
I really, you know, I say, okay, well, I did things wrong, but it's not nearly. | ||
I didn't bankrupt Greece or Iceland, at least. | ||
So, you know, I'm not that bad a guy, right? | ||
So, seriously, the things that you see now happening in Maine, in the bigger firms, is unbelievable. | ||
But the big mistake I made was this Lapse of ethics, one step at a time. | ||
So I want to be clear, I did break the law. | ||
I deserve to go to jail for breaking the law, although my perspective has changed since what I see is comparatively, but it's still like, I don't want to say I did break the law. | ||
It started off perfectly legitimate, trying to make people money, and then I made some fundamental errors, and I allowed the firm to grow too fast, and I lost control of it. | ||
And then the first time I really broke the law, I was like, oh, I'll do it once, I'll never do it again. | ||
But then my line of morality got moved a bit. | ||
So next time, you know, you do things good again, then next time you step over, it's a little bit further to the right. | ||
And then back again, and before you know it, through these tiny, almost imperceptible steps, you're doing things you thought you'd never do, you're associating with people you never thought you'd associate with, and it all seems perfectly okay. | ||
It's like you dip your toe into a bath of piping hot water, and you're like, oh wow, so hot, right? | ||
And then three minutes later, you're in the water, and it feels fine. | ||
Now, when I was a young boy, I remember distinctly thinking, oh, I know what's going on. | ||
I get in the bath and the water's cooling down because my body's cool. | ||
But no, the water's not cooling down. | ||
You're just getting used to it. | ||
And that was the mistake I made. | ||
And it's a mistake I'm very aware of today. | ||
I won't even take one little step over the ethical line. | ||
I am more careful than anybody else because I can't afford to have a second hiccup here, right? | ||
So I always say to myself, any action I take, Like, if it's even the slightest bit unethical, I just won't do it, you know? | ||
I'm not gonna take that chance. | ||
That's my best protection against ever doing anything wrong again, and I think it's really good for everyone to look that way, but there are some things in life where there's gray areas, and there's nothing wrong with playing in the gray, you know what I'm saying? | ||
But, you know, I think that the test is if you're gonna hurt someone else along the way. | ||
That's probably the single thing that, that's like, eh, if you're gonna hurt someone else, if it's a victimless in the gray, okay, well, you can consider it, but other than that, it's a no-go. | ||
Well, I just love the honesty there because I think a lot of people think it's like, oh, there are like good people and then one day they just make a decision to like do bad things, where it's like, oh, along the way of building something that started just exploding under you, Like some strange, not strange, some decisions start being made and then next thing you know, you're in that different water. | ||
But one of the things, I watched the movie about two weeks ago in preparation for this, and I've seen it probably 10 times already, but one of the things that I think is like your greatest skill, and I sense probably what you get the most joy from, is the way you were able to train these guys. | ||
Just guys that weren't thinking that they were going to be selling stocks, guys that probably didn't have much of a future, guys that were doing all kinds of drugs and had all kinds of other problems, but that you could turn them into something that they weren't is pretty cool. | ||
It's still my, to this day, it's definitely the passion I have. | ||
And I love the fact that I go out and get to do that. | ||
Not as much now with COVID, but you know, I still do it virtually. | ||
And I'm sure that part will eventually come back of speaking to live in, you know, these huge stadiums and stuff, which I used to do a lot of. | ||
Um, I, you know what I really think, and I noticed this very young when I was in my early twenties and I had this ability to, to, you know, kind of motivate and just naturally knew what someone wanted to hear. | ||
And I really perfected that over many, many years. | ||
But I think what I, the most important thing to take away to everyone listening is that I don't think that you, the listener, just, I don't know who you all are, but what you're truly capable of. | ||
I think people tend to not realize what they're truly capable of. | ||
Like, we all have all this really bad programming, and so much of it comes down to you not possessing the skills that you need. | ||
There are certain core skills that you need to succeed in this world, and they're not all taught. | ||
Most aren't taught. | ||
Many of us are naturally good at certain things, but what we don't realize is that, like, for example, okay, you want to play tennis and you suck, so what do you do? | ||
You take tennis lessons, like you go and get lessons, right? | ||
You know, well, if you want to go out and succeed in the world of business and make money, what do you do? | ||
Get lessons! | ||
People fail to make this connection that all of these things, especially now, where every bit of information is so at your fingertips, pretty much everything that you need can be learned. | ||
or can be found. | ||
And if you're struggling right now making money or finding a career or just feel like you're living an empowered life, it's not because you are fundamentally flawed or inferior or not worth it, it's because you probably lack some specific knowledge that you need to have in order to realize your dreams and your hopes and all the things that would just make you feel like life is just awesome and it's all out there and I think it's so freaking sad That people are like, they get blocked from going out there and living the life they deserve because they lack knowledge. | ||
It's like knowledge. | ||
I think that's the thing. | ||
It's not, you have this talent. | ||
I'm never going to be Roger Federer on the tennis court, but I could be good enough to have a lot of fun and win a lot of games from some good plays. | ||
Like, you're never going to be me as a salesperson, but I could teach you to be so good at it that like, you'll get whatever you want in life. | ||
And it's not just sales. | ||
It could be, how do you run a business? | ||
It's all out there. | ||
The templates, the work has been done by people. | ||
Granted, the problem is a lot of charlatans out there teaching stuff as well, but you could kind of, you know, you can look at reviews and search around, but I would urge everybody here, like, I don't care, you know, if times are tough right now, or you feel like there's just, like, you don't know which way to turn, like, you have the ability to do whatever you want, like, you just do, as long as you're willing to take the time to learn the things you have to learn, and take some risks. | ||
Yeah, and now you can learn so much of it for free, too! | ||
It's like YouTube, a lot of this stuff is free! | ||
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Ridiculous! | |
It's free! | ||
Yeah, I mean, I know people are paying you a lot of money to go to your seminars, but like, at the same time! | ||
People pay me every single day and they buy my courses. | ||
And you know what? | ||
You could go online, go to my own website, and get enough for free! | ||
The difference is, is that, of course, if you pay, it's all perfectly laid out for you. | ||
It's the next level. | ||
But I purposely give... I want people... If you can't afford it, just go and get the stuff for free from me. | ||
Because once they do, they'll buy, because they'll say, oh wow, it's great, but I'd rather have it all laid out for me in exactly the right order, and it's a better deal for them. | ||
But you can get everything for free, so it's not money, and everyone has enough time when it comes down to it. | ||
What happens is people, they get caught up in like, these limiting beliefs with self-defeating attitudes and | ||
negative programs. They start thinking that, you know, this is my | ||
lot in life and I'm stuck and you know maybe it works for this guy or that guy or | ||
Jordan or Dave but I'm not them. And it's so sad. I think now if there's ever been | ||
a time where you can reinvent yourself, now is the time. | ||
The whole world is going online. | ||
Everyone is in that same boat of like, you know, what's next? | ||
There's money always to be made in those situations. | ||
Yeah, I totally agree. | ||
It's like we're watching the old world go away but there is a new world on the horizon and there's going to be a lot of people that build a lot of cool stuff and make a lot of money in that process. | ||
Last night a friend of mine had some surgery and I was at his house and he's telling me about Bitcoin and GameStop and all these things and I was really ragging on this new world of like a lot of the some of the way money's being made right now but I think he missed my message. | ||
My point was is that like I don't Like, I don't play myself in some of these things that I think are, or like, you know, it could go one way or the other. | ||
I'm more of a skills-based player. | ||
Like, I just like things that are more skills-based, where I could stack the deck in my favor by being really great at something. | ||
You know, versus, like, when I look at, like, throwing a dart and hoping I catch it going up versus going down, right? | ||
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So, like, my friends are like, oh, you're so negative on the new world, and I agree. | ||
I'm not. | ||
I'm positive. | ||
I think that you're 100% right. | ||
The old world, as we knew it, is basically either I would say it's dead but it's dying a very rapid death and there's this new like entity forming right before our eyes of how people go about and consume and do and live everything and everywhere and | ||
Opportunity is all around us right now, and as long as you're willing to accept the fact that you're right, that it's not going to be February 2020 in another month right now. | ||
It's going to be 2021, and the lockdowns will end eventually, and you know what? | ||
There will be opportunity. | ||
I believe that's going to be extraordinary. | ||
There's also going to be some hell to pay for all the fiscal irresponsibility, but that's a separate issue. | ||
Yeah, so this is an odd segue from the success part, but as you were doing all of this stuff and the money and the traveling and all the crazy stuff you were doing, you were on a lot of drugs. | ||
I mean, the movie is sort of like an adventure through drugs. | ||
In retrospect, are you like shocked that you were even able to survive? | ||
And there were some moments where maybe you wouldn't have. | ||
Shocked. | ||
At this point, I think it's an amazing testament to the resilience of the human body, like the human liver. | ||
One thing I had going for me is I wasn't a big drinker and I think that like what happens with a lot of the drugs that I took, and I got plain lucky, like better men than me have taken one hot dose and they've died, like Heath Ledger and a lot of great people, right? | ||
I got lucky, no doubt about it. | ||
But I wasn't a drinker, and I think what happens with alcohol | ||
is it sort of takes a different, it takes drugs that you might know | ||
what the safe doses are for you, and it throws it out the window. | ||
It intensifies the effect of lots of drugs, and it depresses breathing and your heartbeat. | ||
And I think I was pretty at least aware enough that I never got myself. | ||
I mean, I overdosed once, but that was pretty much on purpose. | ||
It was more of an outcry of an act more than trying to kill myself. | ||
But I mean, I think I got very lucky because at the end of the day, I look at many people who I went through that with, they never really recovered fully. | ||
They never really, you know, if they're around that they look unhealthy. | ||
Some of them died. | ||
But I also by the grace of God, by the way, as well, I mean, you know, yeah, I got a thing. | ||
I think that I, I've never been I believe in God. | ||
But I think that at this point, certainly there's definitely a path for me that wasn't Supposed to end back then and I've been sober for a really long time. | ||
I still drink a little bit, but I, you know, I haven't done drugs. | ||
It's been a very, very, the last time I really partied like hard was April 17th, 1997. | ||
That was my date where I went to AA and, you know, and that was it. | ||
And then I've, you know, I've dabbled a couple of times since then, but never, I've never done drugs like, you know, anything more than a little bit. | ||
I tried smoking pot a few times, but that's it. | ||
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Yeah, but a lot of the guys, a lot of the guys though, they either didn't make it or they're pretty banged up now. | ||
Yeah, it's pretty terrible, but I think also my drug choice was mostly like, it was Quaaludes and cocaine. | ||
It wasn't heroin, you know, and heroin is like more of like, you know, the death blow because it depresses your breathing, choking on your own vomit, stuff like that. | ||
Like, I think the drugs that I did were more Not safer. | ||
I was like, oh, they're safe drugs. | ||
I think they're less bad, you know? | ||
They're less bad, so to speak, you know? | ||
On the terrible, like on the terrible index, they're not quite as terrible, you know? | ||
Right, exactly. | ||
All right, that's good to know, though, that you do still drink. | ||
For all you children out there. | ||
Yeah, you do still drink occasionally, though, so. | ||
I love a nice little glass of wine here and there. | ||
I've never drank, I never drink enough to get really drunk, though, ever. | ||
It's not my thing. | ||
Yeah, so what right now are you seeing sort of business-wise with all the chaos and with the dinner that you had with your friend last night and everyone's sort of hot on Bitcoin right now and there's suddenly a whole bunch of social media alternatives. | ||
I think you know a little bit about what I'm doing with Locals.com. | ||
There's like a whole bunch of stuff sort of appearing. | ||
Are there things that are really interesting you right now? | ||
Yeah, so you know, I have my own, you know, my own business, which is doing really well, I'm growing it right now, which is, you know, a recruiting business that I'm rolling out over, you know, around the world right now, right? | ||
Help companies scale by finding them salespeople. | ||
So that's my long term, you know, outcome that I see. I think a lot of the things that you | ||
know, like these Bitcoin and trading, you know, listen, there's windows of opportunity for | ||
everything. What scares me, always scares me about Bitcoin is that, you know, I, as much as I know about | ||
the government and how they detest money laundering, I just, I just scratch my head and say, | ||
how would they allow this to Become something that could so easily be used to launder | ||
money And it can! | ||
I have a lot of friends that are really successful. | ||
That love Bitcoin, and I have some that hate Bitcoin. | ||
And the ones that love Bitcoin, they're legitimate people, and they're not scamming, they just think they like it, they have their reasons why. | ||
But I know enough about it, it's very easy to use Bitcoin to hide money and do deals that would otherwise be much more difficult to do. | ||
Through the traditional banking system, so my point is like, I'm not saying that's what Bitcoin is only used for because it's not, but why would the government, it's my fear, it's like the government saying, you know, we spent all this time trying to stamp out Switzerland and the Caymans, so what, all right, well, great, let's just turn control over now to a system that we can't control. | ||
It doesn't make sense to me. | ||
The only thing that does make sense to me is if it's the government itself that released Bitcoin. | ||
and they know everything like it was actually the CIA or the government that's behind the whole thing and like yeah go hide your money it's great and then like they know where everything is that if that came out and say aha now it all makes sense you know now you're now you're really going down the rabbit hole Other than that, I think the technology itself of blockchain is really elegant. | ||
I think it's got a lot of uses and I think that I understand that Bitcoin has a lot of people that like it. | ||
And the more people, there's a network effect on that in terms of not so much for spending it, but there's a network effect of the more people that think it's worth something, I guess it really is in some respect. | ||
And then also that we always look at things from a purview of the United States and it's having a stable currency. | ||
So, you know, imagine if you're in a country, let's say you're in Peru or somewhere, or Chile, and the currency is devaluing, or Cuba, and it's almost impossible to be able to hold currency because it's not worth anything. | ||
They would usually use dollars, but Bitcoin, I guess, is an alternative. | ||
It's not very good for transactions. | ||
It's a storehouse of value. | ||
I guess it's much better than their own basically worthless currency. | ||
So I think there's applications for other countries that we probably don't realize as much coming from the United States. | ||
I've seen it as I go around the world that people in other countries, they much more think it's like, oh yeah, it's better than my own currency. | ||
I'll take that any day. | ||
So we'll see. | ||
The jury's out. | ||
I'm still ambivalent. | ||
I think that it could go either way right now. | ||
If the US government doesn't step in and try to squash it, I think it could go much higher. | ||
Do you think despite the opportunity that we have right now because of the chaos that just sort of generally the Biden administration with taxes and regulation and all that stuff is gonna scare a lot of people from building the right businesses? | ||
What I think is that typically a president inherits what they got from the administration | ||
before them. | ||
So Biden will reap the rewards of Trumpism and that will probably last for the first | ||
year or so, maybe two, and then the effects of Bidenism, whatever that might be, the liberal | ||
policies will start to really take hold more in the second and third year and even fourth | ||
year of his term. | ||
So I think there's this really weird thing like, you know, administrations, you know, you know, they either get the credit or blame for things that really probably weren't much of their own doing. | ||
And my biggest thing is immigration. | ||
I don't get it. | ||
I just don't understand. | ||
I don't understand. | ||
There's no doubt the immigration system is broken. | ||
I have clients who are immigration lawyers and so I really have a very good insight into immigration right now. | ||
Really good insight. | ||
So I understand the system is terrible. | ||
It's broken. | ||
It needs to change. | ||
There's a lot of terrible things happening to illegal aliens that shouldn't be happening. | ||
I couldn't believe it until I actually saw it myself that there are things that it wasn't Trump's fault. | ||
It's been happening for a long time. | ||
It started under Obama. | ||
It got worse under Trump. | ||
To say everyone can stay, it's insane. | ||
It's pissing in the eye of every person that legally came here, as much as forgiving student loans is pissing in the eye of every person who went to school, borrowed money, and paid it back. | ||
There's moral hazard here in this thing. | ||
Obviously, the intelligent person would say, if I'm going to make no consequence for sneaking in, everyone's going to come and sneak in. | ||
If I make no consequence for not paying back student loans, no one's going to pay back their loans. | ||
So there's a huge issue with these things and I think that's I think that the common theme that you and I think agree on is that like about just personal responsibility for one's actions and I think that's like almost the underlying theme on on the left is like there's almost a lack of personal responsibility for one's actions and where one is in life at this moment. | ||
Where does just common sense fall into that? | ||
Because it's interesting, when I listen to you, it's like, I know you can go deep on all the business stuff and how to help people succeed and all that, but you just strike me actually more as just like a common sense guy, more than anything in a way. | ||
That may be a Long Island thing too, at some level, or like a Queens thing. | ||
I think that common sense is much more easily shown when one isn't, Saddled with prejudices. | ||
I don't care about any of the social stuff on either side. | ||
I just don't. | ||
To me, I think people should just do and be what they want. | ||
I think a lot of the problems with both parties is they represent things that are so... There's politics and there's other things. | ||
I'm trying to say... For me, I think I see things really clearly because... | ||
I don't care. | ||
Like I always say, I'm prejudiced against two types of people. | ||
Lazy people and stupid people. | ||
Other than that, I love or hate everybody else equally, right? | ||
And I think a lot, I think there still is out there, there's a lot of prejudice. | ||
People have a lot of like, just a lot of, like they come into an idea, like not looking at it from a level playing field. | ||
And I think one thing I do pretty well is I'm able to look at, I'm able to take a step back and go, it's called going better on my own. | ||
I just take a step back and say, okay, In truth, all things being equal, let's take the bullshit out of this thing. | ||
What's the real truth here? | ||
I think I have a pretty decent read. | ||
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I guess everyone probably thinks that. | |
No, I really think I have a pretty good read. | ||
I'm well educated. | ||
I make sure I listen to a lot of different points of view. | ||
So I think that If I sound reasonable, it's because I'm not allowing a belief I have, a core belief I have, whether it's about abortion or being gay. | ||
To me, it's so stupid to allow that to color your judgment for other decisions. | ||
But it does. | ||
I think it does all the time. | ||
And it's really destructive to the country and to the world. | ||
I really think it is. | ||
How much of that do you think is connected? | ||
You just mentioned that you believe in God. | ||
I've been saying for the last couple months that I'm probably more of a believer now than at any time in my adult life, for sure. | ||
And I think it's partly that I've watched so many people from like a purely secular perspective or an atheist perspective, that just like they can change their opinions on anything on any given day, depending on who said what, or if Trump said something, you say the opposite, something like that, where people that have some belief We can all argue what that definition of God is. | ||
It just keeps you at least some level centered. | ||
I think that, you know, like I don't... | ||
Look at it like there's a big man in the sky in a chair, like Abraham Lincoln sitting against God. | ||
I think that when you really come down to it, God and science are all very close. | ||
I think they're all on two sides of the same coin. | ||
Some people call it one thing, others call it something else. | ||
But I just think that I'm not the highest authority out there, myself. | ||
I think that there is truth. | ||
I think there's truth, I think there's goodness and there's badness, there's right, there's wrong. | ||
I think it's pretty obvious and I think like those things are just, you know, where they come from? | ||
I don't know. | ||
When I say I believe in God, I mean I believe there's something out there greater than myself and I don't really care what it is. | ||
I think it gets corrupted by religion, by organized religion. | ||
I mean that's the biggest problem is that people, it's such a powerful It's such a powerful pretense and a powerful thought, just a premise that it's just so easily corrupted by smart people for their own ends. | ||
And I think religion in an organized sense is just that to the extreme. | ||
People that were smart took some people, whether it was Jesus or Buddha or whoever it might be, or Mohammed, had really amazing ideas. | ||
Whatever they were, they were a higher level of thinker or teacher or spirit. | ||
And then, ooh, I can take that shit and frickin' make it good, you know? | ||
Damn, I can get everyone to give money, I can control the population, make them... And that's probably the worst view of it. | ||
I'm sure there's a lot of benevolent people in there as well, but I think that, at some point, a lot of this stuff gets, you know, goes towards the darker side because it's so powerful, because it's such a... Like, I think one of the greatest movies is, like, Contact. | ||
It's with Jodie Forster, right? | ||
This is a great movie. | ||
I love their Carl Sagan, yeah. | ||
Right? | ||
And it's a great book, great movie, and like, you know, they ask, so you think that 95% of the population is suffering from mass delusion? | ||
Right? | ||
She says I've answered the question. | ||
Basically, I've answered the question. | ||
I think I've already answered that question. | ||
But the point is, it's a valid Occam's Razor. | ||
Again, everyone, it can't all be crazy. | ||
So I think that my biggest fear right now, you want to know my biggest fear, Dave? | ||
I'll tell you what it is. | ||
My biggest fear is that we're living in the midst of a reordering of the world as it is in terms of power between China and the United States. | ||
And I think the moment, the big cataclysm is going to be if there is a shift away from the U.S. | ||
dollar to another currency, whether it's the yuan or some other currency, this is going to be that black swan moment. | ||
The reason the U.S. | ||
is allowed to get away with what they're allowed to get away with and the reason the world is typically stable is the U.S. | ||
is that stable currency that's backed by only one thing. | ||
Military might. | ||
Yeah. | ||
It's orders. | ||
It's because we have more atom bombs and planes and stealth and this and that. | ||
That at the end of the day, it just comes down to we could blow you up. | ||
It really comes down to just that, right? | ||
Right, because they own all of our debt. | ||
So it's like if they call in the chips, it's like, well, if the mafia doesn't have a guy that can beat your guy up, you're in pretty good shape. | ||
Exactly. | ||
It's really sad, but it's true. | ||
At the end of the day, it really comes by societies organize around war powers. | ||
It's like about war protecting. | ||
It's go back to ancient times. | ||
So I think right now is you have China playing this really slow, methodical, long game. | ||
You know, you can't listen. | ||
You can't be a consumer. | ||
And stay on top forever. | ||
There's producers and there's consumers. | ||
And the U.S. | ||
has become a consumer-based economy. | ||
We make very little now except ones and zeros. | ||
And, you know, China now is, and by the way, China is also getting to the point now where, you know, they are now, you know, as you start to elevate out of that middle class, you know, you become more of a consumer-oriented country. | ||
We're a financial services-based country. | ||
Watch what happens though. | ||
Look, where does the wealth go? | ||
Where do the reserves go? | ||
They flow always to the people who are producing, not consuming. | ||
And that's why the US is basically flat broke right now. | ||
And, you know, it's almost like, you know, we talk about too big to fail with our banks, but, you know, the U.S. | ||
is the ultimate, the ultimate example of too big to fail, because, you know, if the U.S. | ||
dollar fails, well, you know, good luck, what happens next? | ||
Like, not everything, but that's the question. | ||
It's like, how long, how... | ||
Long can you kick the can down the road, and I think there's probably smarter people than me, Ekanan, that really study this stuff, that maybe know. | ||
I don't really know at this point, but, you know, it seems to me that, like, at a certain point in time, something's gotta give, and it's probably gonna have to do with, uh, an event, whether it's an EMT, um, um, you know, um... EMP, I think. | ||
EMP, excuse me, EMP event. | ||
Something's gonna happen, That is going to be impossible to come back from, and that's when we're going to see a complete reordering of everything. | ||
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And here's the thing, how hard would that be to happen? | |
An EMP. | ||
Like, that's not, you know, I always wonder, like, when is, like, one of these crazy Roguelos? | ||
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Let's reset the board. | |
Let's reset the board. | ||
I mean, they did it in Oceans 12, so... Or was that Oceans 11? | ||
Maybe it was the first one. | ||
They did it in, like, Avengers and Civil War, they did it. | ||
The guy did it, like, in Sokovia. | ||
The evil guy from Sokovia did it. | ||
Right, exactly. | ||
If they've done it... | ||
If they've done it in Avengers, then clearly they can do it. | ||
But I actually, the broader point though, of like, that they own so much of our debt and that we owe them so much money and that what ultimately keeps us safe is just our military. | ||
So it's like, yeah, we end up just kicking everything down the road until this, it's almost like it has to end horribly. | ||
It's not really something you want to think about, but at some point it's like, how does it not end? | ||
It's not like we can ever really pay them back. | ||
We can't get out of debt. | ||
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I'll tell you how it ends. | ||
Very simple. | ||
Look at England. | ||
England's a perfect example of a post-global power that's a declining power. | ||
I just watched a show called Bridget. | ||
Did you see Bridget? | ||
It's pretty good actually. | ||
I didn't. | ||
I know a bunch of people have told me. | ||
But you look back at the wealth, the concentrated wealth and power that, you know, this small island had, right? | ||
They ruled the world by, you know, it's always about, you know, and what really killed Britain was, you know, the cost of projecting their power to the periphery of the empire was just too great to hold, right? | ||
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The U.S. | |
is in the same situation right now. | ||
And it always comes down to how much does it cost you to project your power out. | ||
And I think that you look at Britain right now, and what do you see? | ||
Well, you still see a big financial center there in London. | ||
You still see lots of wealthy people. | ||
But, you know, it's a lot of middle class sloggery that people like not You know, feeling there's a way out, a lot of like, just like a very, just that boom. | ||
It's not that, oh yeah, people were on the way up. | ||
So I don't think it's like, you know, the United States becomes the great dust bowl of, unless something really, if there's a black swan event, that's one thing where something really bad happens. | ||
But I mean, a slow, like a decline I could see would be like, the U.S. | ||
is like, just becomes like, you know, there's always going to be, listen, You dropped me, my belief at least, you dropped me into the Sahara Desert, and I will figure out a way to become rich in the Sahara Desert, okay? | ||
Like, there's always gonna be wealthy people and entrepreneurs, and one thing the U.S. | ||
has is this entrepreneurial spirit, ingenuity, so you'll always have successful people. | ||
What happens is the middle class gets squeezed. | ||
And it gets harder, people have to work harder, they have to less, | ||
you know, the lower class just struggles more. | ||
And you have the, and also what you have with globalism too is a concentration of wealth in the hands of a few people. | ||
That's what you see with like the Bezos of the world. | ||
I don't put Elon Musk into that category at all. | ||
I love you. | ||
I think Elon Musk is just like, he's got the Elon Musk cool dude net worth thing going on. | ||
Like he's not monopolizing anything at all, but he's just like, it's hysterical. | ||
But other than Elon, you look at these guys that have, you know, like Bezos and Facebook, there's a globalist People that have made money on globalism, and, because that's what, you know, globalism concentrates wealth in a few people's hands. | ||
That's my opinion, and it's very bad for most people other than them. | ||
Did you see this thing just in the last couple of weeks that Bill Gates is now the largest farm owner in the United States? | ||
Yeah, isn't that crazy? | ||
It's like, what does he know that we don't? | ||
Or maybe we do know it, we just can't afford it. | ||
Bill Gates has always, no, Bill Gates has always, always very quietly been in things like Food security, water security. | ||
That's been a big play for Bill Gates quietly for many, many years. | ||
So that didn't surprise me when I saw that. | ||
He's always been talking about that stuff. | ||
It's just that he's been overshadowed in the last few years about his, you know, vaccinations and stuff like that. | ||
But, you know, listen. | ||
There's two sides to it, to Bill Gates. | ||
Either he's a really benevolent, amazing, brilliant genius, or he is the most evil man in the world. | ||
I kind of like... I don't know. | ||
If Bill Gates' heart is pure, I'm going to say, what a great guy. | ||
What a wonderful guy. | ||
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Or he's Dr. Evil. | |
I don't know. | ||
I guess the jury's out. | ||
I kind of like... My ex-wife really hates him. | ||
She thinks he's real. | ||
I always say, I don't know. | ||
What has he really done that's so bad? | ||
I don't know. | ||
You don't know. | ||
Maybe she's right. | ||
I don't know. | ||
I don't know. | ||
He's not going to end up going down in history as a guy who's like, this guy is going to be like, what an amazing, benevolent, amazing guy. | ||
Or like Dr. Freaking Evil. | ||
Yeah, this goes one of two ways. | ||
I have to back up for a second, because I don't have any great drug stories, like being on Quaaludes and having to drag myself down the stairs into the Lamborghini, anything like that. | ||
But the one good drug story I have is that in 1997, in the summer, I ate a bunch of pot brownies with some friends, and we went to the movie theater. | ||
We're basically tripping. | ||
We were just truly, when it got you at that level, out of our mind. | ||
We were going to see Air Force One on opening night, and it was sold out. | ||
The only other movie we could go into, you'll see why I'm telling you this story, was Contact, which I had not heard of Contact, and I sat down and I'm tripping, I mean I'm full on like losing my shit, and that opening panorama scene of the universe that I'm sure you know, that two minute just extended And that thing blew my mind and it truly changed my life. | ||
I read all of Carl Sagan's books after that, you know, Contact was his only non-fiction, but I read all of his books and it changed my life. | ||
It opened me to all of that stuff. | ||
I thought you would appreciate that. | ||
I know it's not as exciting as some of your drug A good pot brownie story is always good because it's one of those weird things that you're like, uh-oh, I think I ate too much. | ||
It's an uh-oh moment and you can't shut it off. | ||
You're like, oh my god. | ||
We've all had those. | ||
Yeah. | ||
What's next for you? | ||
With all this in mind. | ||
All this opportunity and all this stuff you're doing. | ||
I'm feeling like that I'm really like on path right now like I think I kind of love what I'm doing. | ||
I love the business that I'm in right now. | ||
And I'm slowly but surely, like just like, you know, | ||
like what I'm doing is I'm building a network really of for recruiting and, you know, going city by city | ||
and ultimately then, you know, state by state, country by country, and really trying to create a platform | ||
that will allow anybody who wants to go into sales to really easily get themselves trained | ||
and get a high paying job and also allow companies that are looking for salespeople, quality salespeople | ||
to be able to go somewhere and use this as a resource to instantly be able to find, you know, | ||
the type of people they want, to know what their level of training is, | ||
how they perform on certain types of tests and scores. | ||
I think this doesn't exist right now. | ||
With sales, because like, you know, for most professions, you know, you can look at someone's resume or their career or their school and say, oh, this person went to Harvard or Yale or this place or that place. | ||
And, you know, they've got this degree, so they've done the work. | ||
And that doesn't hold up when it comes to sales. | ||
Like, you know, some of the worst salespeople in the world went to the best schools and vice versa. | ||
People that did not even graduate high school are incredible salespeople. | ||
Huge assets to companies. | ||
So there's a different parameter. | ||
So I think it's a very disjointed, kind of screwed up model that how companies go about choosing salespeople and trying to scale. | ||
And it's probably their biggest pain point. | ||
So a company that's trying to grow, they'll typically say the biggest pain point is, you know, my turnover of salespeople was massive. | ||
First year attrition is enormous. | ||
First year performance is terrible. | ||
So I'm trying to address that problem by really creating a much more robust database and data | ||
set for people to go out there and choose salespeople. | ||
So it's a long-term project I have right now. | ||
It's like mapping the genome. | ||
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No, it's a little shorter than that. | |
But I'm doing that right now. | ||
It's going amazing. | ||
And I'm doing a lot of consulting right now for companies, exciting stuff. | ||
And I'm waiting anxiously for the world to open, and there's going to be just a wonderful | ||
year for me of just going country to country to country to country for all of those countries | ||
that I always go to. | ||
I mean, I just could have a fun couple of years where I'll get to really travel the world and really do what I love doing, which is, you know, getting in front of a large crowd. | ||
So in the meantime, I'm just doing that and having a lot of fun. | ||
Jordan, I owe you dinner. | ||
We're doing it at my place next week. | ||
I'm going to text you in a minute. | ||
We'll get it on the books. | ||
Text me and we'll do it. | ||
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All right. | |
And it was great talking to you. | ||
And wait, where are we sending people? | ||
I want to put a link in the description. | ||
JordanBelfort.com or StraightLineHiring.com. | ||
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Check it out. | |
And everyone knows where to find me. | ||
I'm a weed. | ||
I'm everywhere. | ||
All right, good seeing you, man. | ||
Take care, pal. | ||
Bye. | ||
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