Nov. 8, 2020 - Rubin Report - Dave Rubin
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| I am not surprised to see the end of Trump's at least first four years ending chaotically, since that is how they began and that is how they went. | ||
| And that is why he was elected in the first place, to be a disruptor. | ||
| So why are people so shocked that he continues to disrupt? | ||
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| Alright, this is the Rubin Report. | ||
| I'm Dave Rubin, and we are doing a quick on-the-fly interview today, because I mentioned on the show the other day, I don't know who to trust anymore. | ||
| I don't know who's making sense. | ||
| I don't know who's looking at the world with clear eyes. | ||
| And I went through my mental Rolodex, and Megyn Kelly popped up. | ||
| And Megyn, you agreed to do the show just like that, and here we are. | ||
| How you doing? | ||
| I'm doing well. | ||
| For you, Dave, anytime. | ||
| Clear eyes, full heart, can't lose. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Well, here are my notes for today's interview. | ||
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Oh, and you're just like Amy Coney Barrett. | |
| I got nothing, although my guys did tell me. | ||
| This is gonna air on Sunday. | ||
| We're taping this Friday afternoon, so people will have to bear with, you know, if any little crazy vote got changed or anything else. | ||
| But generally speaking, as we tape this on Friday afternoon, how are you feeling about the state of this election, the media portion of it, the recount portion of it, Biden, Trump, the whole damn thing? | ||
| I have a lot of thoughts, a lot of thoughts. | ||
| Let's do them, let's do them, one at a time. | ||
| I am not surprised to see the end of Trump's at least first four years ending chaotically, since that is how they began and that is how they went. | ||
| And that is why he was elected in the first place, to be a disruptor. | ||
| So why are people so shocked that he continues to disrupt right up to the last, what appear to be the last final moments of his, if not his presidency, the time in his presidency before election. | ||
| I think Trump has lost. | ||
| I do. | ||
| I know people don't want to hear that, but I think he's lost. | ||
| And I think a lot of people are struggling to accept it, right? | ||
| It's like a grief process. | ||
| The first step is denial. | ||
| And I think Trump, I'm not saying that he shouldn't get We should do all the stuff. | ||
| We should check out what's happening in Pennsylvania. | ||
| He should see those legal challenges through. | ||
| We should make sure we have a Wisconsin recount and a Georgia recount. | ||
| But my assessment from where I sit out here is there are not enough gettable votes, even if he can prove fraud or some untoward process with the mail-in votes, to get him over the top anymore. | ||
| That phase has passed. | ||
| Do you have faith that the numbers that we're getting are real? | ||
| Do you have faith that not only the people on the ground in whatever state you want to pick, whatever city you want to pick, are being honest and that is being translated to us honestly through the media? | ||
| Do you have faith in that? | ||
| Not utter faith, but enough faith. | ||
| I mean, these are the same people who did the count four years ago, and he won. | ||
| So, let's be real. | ||
| They didn't just become fraudulent vote counters in the past four years, and they also hated him four years ago. | ||
| It's not like they loved him, they thought he was going to be full of love and rainbows when he got into office. | ||
| They wanted to kill him four years ago. | ||
| And, you know, Philadelphia is famous for its voter fraud, and so, like, these problems have existed long before now. | ||
| And what I'm seeing in the electoral process is, to me, it's akin to, like, when we went HD in television, where everything looked just fine when it was like this, a little fuzzy, and then, like, when you could see it up close and personal, it was like, my eyes! | ||
| Oh, my God! | ||
| I didn't want to see this! | ||
| It's hideous! | ||
| And that's what's happening with our electoral process. | ||
| It isn't perfect. | ||
| It's far from perfect. | ||
| It's the best we have. | ||
| Should we do better? | ||
| Can we do better? | ||
| Yes and yes. | ||
| Hello, Florida. | ||
| Let's just be like Florida. | ||
| But we're not right now. | ||
| And we're not going to get it to the point of Ah, now it's perfect. | ||
| And we can perfectly know that every vote that was proper was counted and everyone that wasn't was not. | ||
| It's not going to happen, people. | ||
| That's not the way our system is built. | ||
| So we're going to have to do good enough. | ||
| That's how the system's set up. | ||
| And even the votes he's counting, even the ones he's like, that was fraudulently filled out, or that's blah, blah, blah. | ||
| You're talking about handfuls, handfuls here and there. | ||
| You know, you're not talking about 70,000 votes that's going to get him over the top in Arizona. | ||
| That's not going to happen. | ||
| And, you know, the places where it's tightest, Biden is ahead. | ||
| Biden is ahead right now in Georgia. | ||
| Biden is ahead in a couple of these states that Trump is contesting. | ||
| So I just think the odds of Trump turning this around right now are infinitesimal. | ||
| And so, I'm not saying it's totally impossible, but realistically, if you want to know what I think, I think he's lost, and I don't think his legal challenges or the recounts are going to amount to much. | ||
| Yeah, so what do you think he'll do? | ||
| Do you think he just runs the table with every legal recap, every legal course of action and just does absolutely anything? | ||
| Or do you sense that maybe at some point, if what you're saying is right, that he will throw in the towel? | ||
| Throwing in the towel doesn't sound like Trump. | ||
| And I also think he owes it to his supporters who love him and don't trust these systems for good reasons to see these challenges through. | ||
| I have no problem with him stoking those fires and getting in there and making sure To the extent he can, maybe it's his final act as president, right, before his lame duck period, to like, disrupt yet another system, to upend it, blow it up, and ultimately make it better, right? | ||
| Tear it down so we can come back better for the next four year period. | ||
| But I support his willingness to challenge these-- | ||
| where he has good faith evidence of a problem, like what happened in Pennsylvania with allowing | ||
| the mail-in votes to be postmarked on election day, something that was approved by judges and not legislators, | ||
| which is not OK. | ||
| And the Supreme Court refused to take that challenge. | ||
| They said, get back to us if this becomes an ongoing problem | ||
| after the election and if there's a split in the states that we might have to resolve. | ||
| He should pursue that. | ||
| He should. | ||
| But again, it doesn't look like there enough votes in that pile that could help him. Anyway, I | ||
| think he should see it through. | ||
| I don't think he should give up before he has to. | ||
| But I think realistically, when it becomes clear that he's lost, we're going to need the people who are closest to him, who he trusts, not the media, which he doesn't, for good reason, to sit him down and say, it's no longer about you. | ||
| This is about the country. | ||
| And there will be a peaceful transfer of power. | ||
| And while you can go out there and say, I have real problems with the way the system | ||
| conducted itself and I don't know about this vote, I am going to pass the torch and put America first | ||
| to quote somebody we all know. | ||
| Do you think that part of his calculation of, even if he sees it, that he's lost, | ||
| like the challenges aren't going anywhere, that part of it will be the burn it down thing | ||
| because even just a few minutes before we started here, I saw a tweet by AOC and in effect, | ||
| we're going to have to come for Trump and they keep saying enablers and the sycophants | ||
| And it's like, you know, a few weeks ago, Robert Reich, who was in the Clinton administration, talking about a truth and reconciliation commission, and that these people love lists And all of these weird things, and it's like, for all the chants of, lock her up, it never happened. | ||
| There was nobody knocking on Hillary's door, and that Trump may feel, and I think actually for good reason, that these people, whether the guy did anything illegal or not, they've created this monster in their heads, let's say, and that they will do things that are unimaginable in the American political landscape. | ||
| Well, I think yes, they will. | ||
| It's not paranoia when they really are out to get you. | ||
| And that explains a lot of Trump's behavior. | ||
| I mean, I think the media is like so disgusted by his rhetoric from the White House. | ||
| And they're like, it's not great. | ||
| I'm not going to defend it. | ||
| But I understand where he's coming from. | ||
| They have been out to get him for more than four years. | ||
| The media is his enemy. | ||
| They absolutely are his enemy. | ||
| And the Democrats loathe him. | ||
| in a special way. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And one does have to wonder if a lot of these Democrats think the ends justify the means. | ||
| I mean, we really have had a baseless attempt to impeach the guy that was right on the heels | ||
| of a completely made up Russia investigation. | ||
| And not to mention all the non-controversies the media fed off of for the last four years. | ||
| So he is right to totally distrust them. | ||
| The pollsters have had it totally wrong when it comes to Trump all along. | ||
| I do want to make a distinction between the pollsters who predict vote prior to the vote and the people at the decision desks who analyze for a living raw vote tallies. | ||
| Two totally different animals. | ||
| Okay, so just because we don't trust the pollsters like Nate Silver doesn't mean we shouldn't trust the Fox News decision desk. | ||
| But anyway, Trump has a general distrust of these systems. | ||
| That's well founded. | ||
| And so to his fans. | ||
| And that's why I think people aren't being nuts right now. | ||
| It's not crazy conspiratorial people like no one, but it's based on data. | ||
| It's based on experience. | ||
| And to expect the left to understand any of that is too much to expect. | ||
| They won't. | ||
| There isn't grace on the other side. | ||
| I mean, there's great guys like Andrew Yang, right, who's saying all the right things, like, be cool and, like, let's not go too far and whatever. | ||
| And then there's just jerks like AOC, you know, or Nancy Pelosi coming out and saying we have a mandate, which you don't even have close to a mandate. | ||
| And one other point on her. | ||
| The more you say you have a mandate, which you clearly do not. | ||
| You lost House seats instead of gaining them. | ||
| It looks like you're not going to have control of the Senate. | ||
| You didn't get the blue wave at the federal, at the presidential level. | ||
| The more the Republicans, if they do take over that Senate, are going to do to stymie every piece of Joe Biden's agenda. | ||
| There will be no grace on their side either. | ||
| So I actually read your tweet about Nancy Pelosi and the mandate on my show this morning. | ||
| And I was trying to frame it in a way that will give people, obviously a lot of my audience, you know, likes Trump. | ||
| So I was trying to say, okay, if this doesn't end up the way you want it to end up, like what are the silver linings around this thing? | ||
| And I agree with you that her tweet or her comment was so over the top that maybe it gets the Republicans to dig. | ||
| And then I'm starting to think, you know, I'm not a statist generally in like a traditional sense, but I'm starting to think That maybe instead of the small government that I really want, maybe we never really get to that, but maybe the best thing we could have is sort of like an endlessly stalemated government, like that basically just can't do anything, and then what'll happen is every four years we'll have the guy do executive actions and then the next guy will reverse them, and that'll just be the way we're governed, and I know it kind of sucks, and for those of us that do this for a living, it's like, | ||
| Not really what you want, but maybe in a bizarre sense, that's the last fail-safe that we have? | ||
| Does that make any sense? | ||
| Stasis. | ||
| Stasis. | ||
| Could be okay. | ||
| I think the Democrats would much have preferred stasis to Trump doing anything meaningful, and I think that's how the Republicans are feeling now. | ||
| My own sense of it is most Republicans aren't that scared of Joe Biden. | ||
| The man because he has a 50 year history of legislating from the middle. | ||
| But Joe Biden is elderly and not totally with it mentally from what we've seen. | ||
| And I think a lot of people are worried that he is just going to be the puppet and people like AOC and Nancy Pelosi are going to be the puppeteers. | ||
| I realize those two women don't have the same agenda, but as far as Republicans are concerned, neither is good. | ||
| You're not going to have some moderate Joe Manchin pulling the strings on Joe Biden. | ||
| It's going to be people like that, the squad, and nobody wants a squad getting in there and telling him what to do, or just pressuring him so much that he does it. | ||
| So I think stasis would be okay, but I think it could be worse than stasis. | ||
| It could be a bloody civil war, sort of, if you will, or political civil war, forgive the reference. | ||
| If they do go after Trump, if they decide to go after him legally and put him in jail and undo everything and like, you know, completely go after Trump and his supporters, you know, the Senate does a lot. | ||
| Republicans control the Senate. | ||
| And I know we're looking at two runoffs in Georgia, but Republicans have never lost a runoff in the state of Georgia. | ||
| Never. | ||
| I realize we're going to have a huge money dump there to try to change that this time around. | ||
| And Georgia's changing. | ||
| It's becoming bluer, obviously. | ||
| But the odds are on the GOP side. | ||
| So let's assume for now, GOP retains control of the Senate. | ||
| If they retain control of the Senate and the Democrats do all those things, they're gonna make it as ugly and as acrimonious and as unfortunate for the Dems as possible. | ||
| A lot of these cabinet choices have to be confirmed by the Senate, right? | ||
| What if a justice, God forbid, dies, and you need confirmation by the Senate? | ||
| There's a lot the Senate can do to stop a president from getting anything done, and then in two years, we have another election. | ||
| And the Democrat share of the House majority, I mean, it's going down like this as we speak. | ||
| It's getting smaller and smaller and smaller. | ||
| And it could get down when all is said and done to just a four-seat advantage by the Dems. | ||
| If that happens, they're almost certainly going to lose control in two years. | ||
| So politics never stops. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And, you know, if you are just a complete prick, two and four years later, it's going to come back at you. | ||
| Right, and then when you look at some of the interesting numbers that broke in different ways, that black men voted more than two times as high for a Republican as they did last time, and black women, it went up from 4% to 8%. | ||
| That's not a huge percentage, but doubling is pretty good. | ||
| I saw something this morning that 16%, I think, of Muslims voted for Trump. | ||
| All things that you just wouldn't expect, that LGBT support for Trump. | ||
| Actually, more than doubled. | ||
| So, like, there are some interesting signs for the future. | ||
| How worried are you just about general, like, trust in the whole damn thing? | ||
| Like, that the same people who said Russia are now saying our election is tamper-proof, right? | ||
| Like, that's the big one that I'm, like, seeing the hypocrisy on right now. | ||
| You guys ran around saying Russia interfered in our elections four years ago. | ||
| Now you're telling us, because you got what you wanted, apparently, that the system is perfect. | ||
| So that people won't trust the electoral system, they already don't trust the media system, that basically all of our, the colleges, just the institutional level, there is just no trust in anything anymore, and I can't really fake it for people, you know? | ||
| Like, I wish these things were better, but I don't think they are. | ||
| Some of that concerns me, but most of it doesn't. | ||
| I think, for example, I think Joe Biden's not going to pack the Supreme Court, and that's good, because that would have been a massive move that would have ruined the Supreme Court, and that would have been the end of the Supreme Court, and that would have been a catastrophic breakdown of systems. | ||
| But what if it ain't Joe? | ||
| Because I'm with you on that. | ||
| I think Joe actually is. | ||
| No, there's not support for it within the Democratic Party or writ large. | ||
| There isn't. | ||
| So you think by him getting in, it's fed them enough that they won't have to do the crazy stuff? | ||
| I even think if Kamala Harris were at the top of the ticket right now and ascending to the White House, it wouldn't happen. | ||
| There isn't support for it in the United States. | ||
| The people don't want it. | ||
| You know the FDR couldn't get it through when he controlled his party, Democrats controlled the House and the Senate. | ||
| And he was hugely popular. | ||
| Well, his support right now is 20% lower for packing the court than it was back then. | ||
| It's not going to happen. | ||
| People don't want it. | ||
| These politicians aren't politically suicidal. | ||
| So that was a good talking point by Jeffrey Toobin, who really should have been more focused on how to work his Zoom than writing provocative articles in the New Yorker about shit that's never going to happen. | ||
| Um, and I don't think Joe Biden's going to do that. | ||
| I think the reason he wouldn't answer that when he was running is because the answer was no. | ||
| It was to protect his left flank, you know, him from his left flank, not to protect himself from the right. | ||
| But I also kind of think that distrust in Some agencies can be good, and it's not all destructive. | ||
| I think the media needed to be destroyed, and now it will rebuild in some way, shape, or form. | ||
| I've said this to you before, the journalists They've been on a kamikaze mission ever since Trump. | ||
| I mean, it didn't start with Trump, but that was the real mission. | ||
| They've been on a kamikaze mission to take him down. | ||
| And it wound up being a thing where they did kill themselves. | ||
| And in the end, it does appear they took him with them. | ||
| It does appear they brought him down. | ||
| Because if you don't think the media played a role in people's perceptions of Trump these past four years, as controversial as he is legitimately been, I don't mean to give him a full pass on all the crazy stuff he's done. | ||
| But the media did so much of it. | ||
| So they are a force, I don't want to say for evil, that's too strong, but they're not to be trusted. | ||
| And they're not what they used to be, and they're not honest about it. | ||
| So they needed to be destroyed and we'll see what comes up. | ||
| So maybe that's true in the FBI. | ||
| They needed to be unmasked as this political organization. | ||
| I had complete trust in James Comey, David. | ||
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I did. | |
| I was like, Jim Comey, I, you know, the guy, wrong. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I'm grateful for having that. | ||
| You know, that mask pulled off, and so I can't totally dismiss the dismantling of trust in some of these organizations. | ||
| Right, like, well, that's what I'm saying. | ||
| I'm down with the distrust stuff. | ||
| I don't think they deserve our trust anymore, but the problem is that it sort of only got halfway. | ||
| In other words, if Trump loses, well, then they've been unmasked, but they're about to rebuild. | ||
| You can already feel it a little bit, like, oh, they didn't fully get us. | ||
| So here we go again, something like that? | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| I don't think that's right. | ||
| Because they never lost trust with the Democrats. | ||
| They've had it. | ||
| I mean, we're just going to a more fractured media world like the country used to have when we were founded and for 100 years thereafter, where the left has its sources and the right has its sources. | ||
| But one great thing Trump did was make very clear that virtually everybody is on that first side. | ||
| Virtually everybody is actually fighting for Democrats. | ||
| There's not a Republican in the country left, I think, that thinks CNN is fair and objective news. | ||
| I mean, maybe some people who really don't pay attention to the news might still think that. | ||
| But Republicans haven't been fooled. | ||
| The mask has been pulled off. | ||
| So that's a good thing. | ||
| I think they're going to be very defensive of Joe Biden. | ||
| I think, quietly, the Washington Post, Democracy Dies in Darkness, is going to just get pulled off the mask. | ||
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It's no longer dark, so we don't need that. | |
| But I think all that's great, and it gives the audience, you know, it's like, let me put it to you this way. | ||
| If you have a friend who's a real jerk, and you didn't know it, I'm thinking of my one friend's example, so I'll give you this. | ||
| Friends of ours, interracial couple, the husband's black, the wife is white. | ||
| And after the George Floyd thing, they were very upset because one of their white friends called them up and said, how are you doing? | ||
| I hope you're okay. | ||
| And then they saw, they found out, oh no, you know what? | ||
| I can't tell the whole story because it will reveal who it was. | ||
| But it was somebody who they thought was a friend and who they had helped out with their, with respect to their kid getting into college. | ||
| They had done a lot to help him. | ||
| And basically the guy got outed as repeatedly saying the N word and really racist stuff about black people. | ||
| So they were shocked. | ||
| They were horrified. | ||
| And I said to them, you know what, this is a good thing. | ||
| Because that was the reality yesterday. | ||
| And you just didn't know. | ||
| It's better today to know and then act accordingly. | ||
| It's hurtful to find out, but it's not better to be in the dark. | ||
| And that's how I feel about the media and these organizations, which really are politically driven, but we didn't know it. | ||
| It may hurt to learn it or not, but it's better to know and then act accordingly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm with you on that. | ||
| Well, what do you think about the big tech element then? | ||
| Also that, you know, going forward that at least, even though they did nothing, I mean, I kept saying this the whole time, you guys are having these hearings and it's great to see Ted Cruz, who I totally like and respect. | ||
| It's great to see him grill Jack, but you guys are doing it six days before an election. | ||
| And we're pretending that this is in theater. | ||
| Are you worried that, okay, Trump was sort of the last thing that was stopping big tech from doing whatever it might want to do. | ||
| I don't know what exactly what it wants to do, but now without that threat of | ||
| we're gonna regulate you, whatever it might, you know, break you up, stuff that I | ||
| don't particularly want them to do, are you worried that they're just gonna go | ||
| all in and and silence the real resistance which will be, you know, the | ||
| remaining free thinkers? Yes, I am worried about that. | ||
| I don't have the solution to that either. | ||
| I am worried. | ||
| I think one of the sad things about the realities over the past 20, 25 years is the Republicans have shown themselves to be very good at winning elections. | ||
| Maybe not in this particular case for the White House, but in general, they win elections and very bad at fighting the culture wars. | ||
| It's unfortunate because now the Democrats control the media, Hollywood, academia, big tech, and half the country doesn't feel represented at all. | ||
| Almost all of the information that comes back to them publicly. | ||
| Like sports, forgot to mention that. | ||
| So you turn on the television and watch a sports game, or get the news, or watch the Oscars, or the VMAs, whatever it is, and now you're getting wokeism shoved down your neck and you're being told you're a racist if you happen to be a Republican and you like Trump, or even just if you're a Republican these days. | ||
| You know, you sent out a tweet that is totally legitimate and maybe just opinionated, or a news story being reported by that New York Post. | ||
| Censored, censored, censored. | ||
| You know, your viewpoints, you're being told they're bad by everyone that has control of the public microphones. | ||
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And I do think it leads people to be like, am I insane? | |
| Is everything I think awful? | ||
| It's a problem. | ||
| And I think big tech is part of the problem. | ||
| I really wish we'd see somebody like Peter Thiel, you know, who you know, He's gonna have to actively create a new Twitter and a new Facebook. | ||
| There needs to be a real other digital forum out there that represents the other half of the country, because I just don't think they've got much of the future on the existing platforms. | ||
| Well, the irony is, if Trump loses, and then it finally gives him the impetus to be like, okay, I'm going to another platform, or I'm starting my own platform, that's how the platform will work, right? | ||
| That ultimately would be it. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| No, you don't think that would be enough? | ||
| No, I think that'll be like, I mean, with all due respect, Sean Hannity starting his own network. | ||
| Like, you know, you know what you're going to get. | ||
| You're not going to get real analysis. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I don't mean, I don't mean you'll get analysis. | ||
| I mean, if Trump is just like, all right, I'm going, I'm going to parlor or I'm going to locals or wherever that it would be like everyone would go there just because he's still the show in a way. | ||
| Oh, no question. | ||
| I don't mean that he's going to create some non-partisan network or something like that. | ||
| I mean, conservative media is well represented in the digital world, I get that. | ||
| But when it comes to the main platforms out there, I mean, Facebook gives a little bit more play, but they're censoring a lot of stuff too. | ||
| But if you could have a real, and I know there's Parler, I'm on Parler, but it's just, it's not what Twitter is, and I don't know that it's going to be. | ||
| You need a real player with a lot of money to create the platform and back it, and somebody with a spine of steel like Rupert Murdoch to say, I don't need to be loved at the cocktail parties. | ||
| I'm going to let this be a real forum for mainstream conservative thought. | ||
| In other words, we don't need Alex Jones on there, okay? | ||
| But Dave Rubin does not need to get censored, right? | ||
| And that's my only thought because you're not going to change Jack Dorsey. | ||
| You're not going to change Facebook. | ||
| You're not going to change these big tech organizations for whom it's like deeply ideological. | ||
| They think it's the difference between good and evil. | ||
| You know, it's not just about getting Biden elected. | ||
| It's about silencing the rest of these racists. | ||
| Did you see that clip from Sonny Hostin on The View? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Unbelievable. | ||
| That embodies how they think, the left wing. | ||
| And I don't even mean progressives. | ||
| I know there used to be one. | ||
| Most progressives I know are totally normal and mainstream, and they don't believe in any of this nonsense. | ||
| It's the, quote, Left, with a capital L, who are insane in the way they see the other half of the country. | ||
| And Sonny Hostin just put it on display, where it was like, at least half the country. | ||
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I'm not going to say they're racists, but they're racist. | |
| Let us see the racists! | ||
| But at least half the country voted for him notwithstanding his racism, his sexism, his xenophobia, his transphobia. | ||
| And then another woman on the panel, Sarah, I don't remember her name, but she was like, how can you say that? | ||
| You know, people vote in their own self-interest all the time, pocketbook issues and so on, doesn't make them bad, doesn't make them racist. | ||
| And the response was, no, because this is about we the people, and we are supposed to behave as a collective and do what is right. | ||
| It's one of those things, Dave, I was like, oh my God, I wish so badly for the first time in my life that I were sitting on The View I would have loved to say it to her. | ||
| I get it, totally. | ||
| And just out of curiosity, I'm wondering, because there's a lot of people who really feel like, for example, Abortion is murder, and it's actually killing babies. | ||
| And that's wrong. | ||
| And what would be right would be to ban it outright. | ||
| And if you don't support that, you are on the wrong side. | ||
| You're in favor of murder. | ||
| And we, the people, respond to you to behave as a collective, right? | ||
| Like, I could go on for, you know, five other examples. | ||
| And by the way, let's look at the southern border. | ||
| You know, the people down there who have had family members killed by people illegally coming across with drugs and weapons, who have lost jobs to people who are here unlawfully in the country. | ||
| They have real reasons for wanting a great border wall and for cracking down on illegal immigration. | ||
| And if you don't support it, you're the one who doesn't care about life and the well-being of your fellow citizens and we the people. | ||
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Who died and made her king of we the people, right? | |
| It's like, that's how they think, the left. | ||
| But do you think they'll ever stop that thing? | ||
| Like that, in many ways, what you just described there, that is the thing that most, the rest of us are fighting. | ||
| We don't have to make it about Sonny, but that thing, and it's been so successful. | ||
| And as we're talking, potentially is about to dethrone Donald Trump. | ||
| Why would they stop doing it? | ||
| They're not going to. | ||
| They're not going to. | ||
| I agreed with the headlines this week that said wokeism was delta blow during this election because you saw his numbers, as you pointed out, with all these minority groups go up. | ||
| The minority groups like him more than they used to, not less. | ||
| It's like four years of ubiquitous media coverage telling them he's awful, a racist bigot, all this stuff, and that they're awful if they like him. | ||
| So that didn't work. | ||
| Oh, and by the way, I mean, even just today, there was a congressman, a Democratic congresswoman who was saying, defund the police killed us, killed us. | ||
| That is why we went down in the House instead of up. | ||
| And if we don't abandon that ridiculous messaging, we're going to see a bloodbath in two years. | ||
| So wokeism, you know, the messaging was proven to be a failure when it comes to electoral politics. | ||
| But that won't deter them. | ||
| That's not going to stop anything. | ||
| But for the reasons I was saying, It's ideological. | ||
| It makes them feel like better people, superior. | ||
| I don't know if it's their guilt, if it's just the virtue signaling makes them feel great about themselves in bed at night when they judge other people and decide they're all bad. | ||
| So we're gonna have to deal with it. | ||
| And the people who don't believe in this B.S. | ||
| culture. | ||
| And there's so many people in the center-right who don't either. | ||
| Look at the Harper's Letter. | ||
| Look at people like Andrew Sullivan who hated Trump but, you know, he's completely taken a stand against this baloney. | ||
| They're gonna have to speak up. | ||
| The people who are against it, I know they're afraid. | ||
| I know you can get fired now for the most ridiculous reasons. | ||
| Trust me, I know. | ||
| We're going to have to start taking risks. | ||
| Otherwise, we're all going to go down. | ||
| We're going to go down together on this war. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| On a personal note, as you were watching the election and you're not in the big studio and doing all that stuff that you've done in the past, did you enjoy it more in a weird way? | ||
| Because you could just kind of watch it and be on your couch. | ||
| Were you on your couch? | ||
| Where were you? | ||
| I was, yeah, I was doing a bunch of hits from here, my living room. | ||
| So I will say that- Oh, right, you were on Daily Wire right before me that night. | ||
| You were home. | ||
| Yeah, I saw you. | ||
| But no, can I tell you honestly, that's the first time that I've actually missed being on TV since I went off TV. | ||
| I love those big election nights, and I think I know how to anchor them well. | ||
| It's one of those things where if you're a strong pitcher and you see somebody else pitching in the big game, you're like, hmm, I wish I could be doing it. | ||
| So that was one of the first nights, I think, that I actually thought, oh, I'd love to be out there. | ||
| But not to disparage anybody who was out there, just that I sort of missed throwing my fastball. | ||
| Yeah, so what's next then for the Megyn Kelly Media Empire if you missed that? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I sense something. | ||
| You just said you missed something. | ||
| Not at all. | ||
| I love what I'm doing. | ||
| I am loving my podcast. | ||
| It's like I'm home. | ||
| I chose right. | ||
| This is exactly right for me. | ||
| It's a new forum. | ||
| It's one in which I can Use all aspects of my personality, you know? | ||
| It's like, I'm loving it. | ||
| But that doesn't mean it can scratch every itch. | ||
| But I have no desire to go back to Fox or, you know, cable news at all. | ||
| You know, as you know, I left it for very good reasons, who happen to be 11, 9, and 7 right now. | ||
| And they're more important to me than taking care of that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't think that I asked you this when I had you on a couple weeks ago, but what is your sort of philosophical or religious, like, what is the thing that's beneath politics that kind of keeps you sane throughout this? | ||
| Because when we're talking about the people that use this in a religious nature and how wokeism has caused so much destruction and caused people to become believers who otherwise usually aren't believers in a traditional sense. | ||
| I find the only people that are making sense to me these days are people that come at it from some sort of belief aspect. | ||
| They can have various versions of it, but what is beneath just your political outlook of life? | ||
| Well, it's more like it's above my political outlook of life. | ||
| I just feel like politics is over here, and I'm here. | ||
| This is like something we talk about. | ||
| It's not who I am. | ||
| It's not really that important to me. | ||
| I have to get involved because it brings up important fights that one must fight, and I cover it as a journalist and a commentator. | ||
| But I am a woman of faith. | ||
| I'm not particularly observant in my Catholicism, but I was raised Catholic, and I have that moral imprint on me. | ||
| And I believe in God, and I totally believe in an afterlife and a higher power. | ||
| And I guess I just believe what we're here for is our human connections and not any of this BS. | ||
| This is small stuff that people use to enjoy divisiveness. | ||
| They enjoy hostility. | ||
| And I really believe a lot of them have too little fulfillment in their own lives. | ||
| And the smaller your life gets, the more you feel the need to fill it with something else, be it drama, be it anger, fighting, I'm not in that boat. | ||
| I am filling the main pitcher over here. | ||
| P-I-T-C-H-E-R. | ||
| My children, my husband, my marriage, my friendships, myself, my enjoyment in life. | ||
| And then politics over here and I'll take a swim over and I'll fight where I need to fight. | ||
| But I just think people who have nothing to remind them, it's just a limited time we're here together, make bad choices. | ||
| And I'll put one period on it. | ||
| I interviewed Adam Carolla recently, who I just adore. | ||
| Yeah, me too. | ||
| And he said it in such a good way. | ||
| He said, I have no time for people who obsess over people who are generally good, but sometimes say controversial things. | ||
| And he, because I was asking him, how's he best friends with Jimmy Kimmel, right? | ||
| Who like, doesn't seem to really like conservatives, and Adam pretty much is. | ||
| Like, how does that work? | ||
| And he just sees everybody in terms of like, look, That's not a bad person there, who's like doing good things. | ||
| Even like AOC, right? | ||
| She's not a bad person. | ||
| She's young. | ||
| She's a whippersnapper. | ||
| She got herself elected to Congress from being a bartender. | ||
| I mean, on some level, you got to respect that. | ||
| You don't have to agree with the words she says politically, and you don't have to like her judgments of other people. | ||
| But like, should we be focused on tearing down, let's say, the civilian AOCs of the world? | ||
| No. | ||
| I don't know why we get so upset about them. | ||
| They might be a minor irritant. | ||
| You know, like Sunny Hostin. | ||
| I was just ripping on her because she's got hostility for everybody. | ||
| Do we really need to worry about the Sunny Hostins? | ||
| No. | ||
| We should fight the political battles. | ||
| Just don't get so upset personally over these people. | ||
| When it's coming into your life and it has the power to fire you or make you lose your job or endanger your children, You gotta perk up and you gotta pay attention. | ||
| But you don't have to get personally offended by everything somebody else stands for. | ||
| You know, you did it to me last time, and you did it this time, which is you know how to end an interview. | ||
| Because we could keep going here and talk more about politics or the election, but I think that was it. | ||
| That was it. | ||
| I'm not going to drag out anything else. | ||
| That was just perfect. | ||
| So we are going to link to the podcast down below. | ||
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Thank you, sir. | |
| Thanks for taking the time. | ||
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Subscribe. | |
| You've got to subscribe. | ||
| Oh, subscribe is very... | ||
| Very important to subscribe and enjoy the weekend, Megan. | ||
| And, you know, don't think about politics the whole time. | ||
| Have fun with the kids and the dog. | ||
| That's the plan. | ||
| And the husband. | ||
| And the husband. | ||
| Hopefully we'll do this in real life soon. | ||
| See you soon, dude. | ||
| Lots of love. | ||
| If you're looking for more honest and thoughtful conversations about the media instead of non-stop yelling, check out our media playlist. | ||
| And if you want to watch full interviews on a variety of topics, check out the full episode playlist. | ||
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