Oct. 14, 2020 - Rubin Report - Dave Rubin
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For what though? | |
| I complied. | ||
| I put it on after they asked me to. | ||
| Isn't it policy that he can wear his mask? | ||
| He can take off his mask? | ||
| Here you go. | ||
| Say that again. | ||
| He put his mask on. | ||
| He took it off when he started eating the nuts. | ||
| That was it. | ||
| I was sitting here. | ||
| So it's not a publicity stunt. | ||
| It's trying to make you follow policy indiscriminately and impartially. | ||
| Okay? So, do you follow your policy indiscriminately and impartially, | ||
| or do you just do this for people whose message you don't like? | ||
| All right, we're doing something on the fly today. | ||
| Late last night, I was scanning Twitter. | ||
| Why am I scanning Twitter? | ||
| I don't know, but I was scanning Twitter, and I saw a video that started going viral of a young black man who was on a Southwest flight. | ||
| And being kicked off the flight. | ||
| And it seemed to have something to do with the fact that he was wearing a Trump 2020 mask and he had a Black Voices for Trump hat. | ||
| And there was a supervisor from Southwest kicking him off the plane. | ||
| There was a woman narrating it and a couple other People that got involved, it didn't sound like he did anything wrong, because you obviously are allowed to take your mask down when you're eating or drinking. | ||
| Thanks to the sleuths on the internet, we have been able to locate that guy, Philip Nedifan, and his friend, his co-worker actually, who filmed the whole thing, Chris Ann Hall. | ||
| It turns out that Chris Ann Hall is a constitutional expert and they were traveling the country teaching the constitution and Philip was doing some video work for her. | ||
| So it's sort of a perfect fit on a couple fronts. | ||
| So what we're gonna do right now is we're gonna play most of the two videos that went viral so that you can see the context of what happened. | ||
| And I should just note that I did, before we play the interview, I did talk to them for a minute or two before, and I have assurances from them that nothing happened outside of the video that would imply that they were trying to get publicity or that this was staged or anything else. | ||
| So we're going to play the viral videos, and then we're going to go into my interview with Philip and Chris Ann Hall. | ||
| And I just want to say one other thing, which is that the reason that I wanted to do this is that this is a young black man who was just kicked off a flight in effect for no reason. | ||
| And we certainly know that if he didn't have a Trump mask or a Black Voices for Trump hat, that this is the type of story as he was kicked off by a white supervisor. | ||
| That the media would love, and this would be being played everywhere, and this would be the head of CNN, and celebrities and Democratic politicians would be telling you this proves systemic racism and the rest of it. | ||
| But because he is a Trump supporter, you're gonna see some clips of this on YouTube, and you'll see some clips of it on Twitter, but it won't make it to mainstream. | ||
| It just won't. | ||
| Mark my words. | ||
| As I'm taping this right now, it's about 8 a.m. | ||
| It's not even 8 a.m. | ||
| here in Los Angeles, and I'm willing to take the risk that this thing is not going to be on MSNBC or CNN today, unless we force the issue. | ||
| So that's what I'm trying to do here, because I think it's important. | ||
| It's important to see, because the people that will tell you that everything is racist seem to only see racism when it fits their narrative. | ||
| So without further ado, here's the original viral video, and then my interview with Philip and Chris-Anne. | ||
| So we're not allowed to eat with our masks off? | ||
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Is that what you're saying? | |
| I threw it just now. | ||
| Watch it on the slide. | ||
| They brought the plane back to the gate. | ||
| I'm not going to delay another three people to argue this with me. | ||
| Are you serious? | ||
| I literally was eating. | ||
| So we're not allowed to eat with our masks off? | ||
| Is that what you're saying? | ||
| Am I not allowed to eat with my mask off? | ||
| No. | ||
| You need to come off this aircraft. | ||
| You're being denied. | ||
| On the spot. | ||
| You're denied. | ||
| I put it on after they asked me to. | ||
| Isn't it policy that he can wear his mask? | ||
| He can take off his mask? | ||
| No, I'm sorry. | ||
| I'm his legal counsel. | ||
| Is it not your policy that he can wear him, take off his mask? | ||
| I'm wearing the mask. | ||
| I'm just eating. | ||
| What am I going to do? | ||
| So you're just going on hearsay and violating Southwest policy there, right? | ||
| I'm going to be somewhere that I can literally tell. But the thing about this, right now, if you're not going on | ||
| this airplane, the crew does not need to go on the airplane. | ||
| I wasn't here, the crew just said no. | ||
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So you're just going on hearsay and violating Southwest policy then, right? | |
| What am I supposed to do then? | ||
| I don't know. We'll talk about it. | ||
| Can you go and tell your boss? | ||
| Excuse me? | ||
| Can you tell us the policy that prevents him from taking his mask off while he's eating, please? | ||
| [BLANK_AUDIO] | ||
| I was not here or present. | ||
| The crew has denied it. | ||
| Okay, but you're seeing him with eating, so please tell me the policy. | ||
| Tell the crew to tell me the policy that says he cannot eat with his mask off. | ||
| I'll call the police. | ||
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It's the hat. | |
| It's the hat and the mask. | ||
| It's not the eating. | ||
| I fly three times a week. | ||
| I'll hang back with him. | ||
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I'll go with him. | |
| What'd you say? | ||
| I said I'll go with him. | ||
| I'll hang back with him, I'll go with him. | ||
| What'd you say? | ||
| I said I'll go with him. | ||
| Yeah, but I'm not gonna put my mask on. | ||
| I'll go with him, I'll go with him. | ||
| Do you have any candy over there? | ||
| No. | ||
| There's something in the back. | ||
| Go ahead and grab that. | ||
| So can you clarify for us, are we not allowed to take our masks off to eat on | ||
| this plane? | ||
| [BLANK_AUDIO] | ||
| Can you please clarify, are we allowed to take our masks off to eat on this plane | ||
| Listen to the flight crew and follow their instructions. | ||
| So, are you going to tell us that we can take our masks off to eat on the plane? | ||
| He didn't cooperate. | ||
| See? | ||
| He did cooperate. | ||
| I was sitting right here. | ||
| Here you go. | ||
| Say that again. | ||
| He put his mask on. | ||
| He took it off when he started eating the nuts. | ||
| That was it. | ||
| I was sitting right here. | ||
| So it's not a publicity stunt. | ||
| It's trying to make you follow policy indiscriminately and impartially. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So do you follow your policy indiscriminately and impartially, or do you just do this for people whose message you don't like? | ||
| All right, and joining me right now are the two people in that video, the guy who dared to eat on an airplane, Philip Nadefan, and the woman who filmed the whole thing, Chrisanne Hall. | ||
| Guys, I expect you're gonna have a bit of a crazy day. | ||
| Thanks for joining me so early. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| Thank you for having us on. | ||
| Okay, so look, I don't want to fall into a trap here, and we all know how video can be edited and things could have happened beforehand and everything. | ||
| You guys, before we started, we talked for just 20 seconds. | ||
| You guys gave me your word that, Philip, you were not doing anything you weren't supposed to be doing and all that. | ||
| So before we do anything else, can you guys just tell me what flight you were on, why you were going somewhere, and how do you know each other? | ||
| Let's just start off with the basics. | ||
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We were flying from Tampa, Florida on Southwest Airlines. | |
| Our final destination was going to be Amarillo, but we had a layover in Dallas. | ||
| And I'm a constitutional attorney, which kind of helps us a little bit in this. | ||
| And I'm a constitutional educator traveling around the country, teaching the constitution. | ||
| So Phillip and I were on our way to one of my constitutional training events in Oklahoma City. | ||
| And Philip was coming to film the event, and we were there with my husband and my son. | ||
| It's a whole team that we have to make this Constitution training happen. | ||
| And there really isn't much more to the story than what you see on the video, because we hadn't even pulled away from the gate yet. | ||
| Okay, so Phillip, you had, you dared to have a Trump 2020 mask. | ||
| And what were the exact words on your hat? | ||
| Or you've got the hat there. | ||
| Why don't you show people the hat and the mask? | ||
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Yeah, I have the hat. | |
| It was Black Voices for Trump. | ||
| I'm an African American, just supporting the Trump administration. | ||
| And then my Trump mask, Trump 2020, Make America Great Again. | ||
| And that's basically all that singled me out Basically the whole flight. | ||
| I mean, for the duration of the time that I was on the flight, there was no other reason for them to even point me out except the fact that I was supporting Black Voices for Trump or, you know, Trump 2020. | ||
| Yeah, so did the flight attendant give you any warning before what we see in the video there? | ||
| Did they tell you how you're supposed to eat? | ||
| I mean, I know we've all got these crazy rules. | ||
| What were you eating? | ||
| What were you doing? | ||
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Right. | |
| I was actually eating a bag of trail mix and the flight attendant and a cup of coffee as well. | ||
| I even have a video of myself, you know, drinking the cup of coffee and then putting the mask back on as they required over the nose, which is the only warning that they even told me was to put the mask over the nose, not under the nose. | ||
| So that was the only warning that I received from anybody. | ||
| And the flight attendant himself was Hispanic. | ||
| So, you know, I, I wasn't really expecting any, any drama or anything that was going to happen. | ||
| And prior to that, nothing else led up to the fact that they were gonna refuse my service, except the fact that I was, I had this mask on, I have this on, and I was just eating a bag of Chumleks. | ||
| Yeah, so when the flight attendant came up to you, did he immediately, is what we see in the video exactly what happened? | ||
| I mean, did he immediately say you have to get off the plane? | ||
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That was actually the supervisor. | |
| So the flight attendant never came back Uh, he just went and apparently went to get, went and complained to the pilot. | ||
| The pilot called the supervisor. | ||
| The supervisor is the one that you actually see on camera. | ||
| And so the supervisor is telling him, uh, the flight attendant has told me you're refusing to wear your mask. | ||
| You're refusing to comply with our policy and you now have to leave the plane. | ||
| And so even the lady in the video that I took, the lady behind us, said, look, he's complying. | ||
| He just took it off to eat. | ||
| And there were other people on the plane who weren't wearing their masks that were eating. | ||
| You can look around, you can even see it in the video. | ||
| And the flight attendant said nothing to those people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, just from our couple of minutes here, Phillip, it's pretty obvious to me, this is not like some play for attention or anything like that. | ||
| Can you tell me a little bit, this is sort of offshoot, but can you just tell me a little bit about why you're supporting the president and what Black Voices for Trump means to you? | ||
| I don't know if you guys are familiar with my show at all, but I've had a lot of people on That share that sentiment from the black community. | ||
| And I think something really, really incredible is happening right now. | ||
| I'm just curious your thoughts on that. | ||
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Absolutely. | |
| And I mean, I grew up in a multicultural home. | ||
| My mom's originally from Pennsylvania. | ||
| My dad's originally from Nigeria. | ||
| So as a, you know, black American, I support president Trump because he's obviously he's for pro-life, which I'm about. | ||
| You know, he's doing more for the black community. | ||
| I mean, that's the biggest problem that we're actually having in our inner cities and our inner communities is the death of, you know, unborn babies. | ||
| There's the, you know, the job, joblessness. | ||
| And before the whole COVID, you know, thing transpired, we had the lowest unemployment rate that has that we've ever seen. | ||
| I saw people getting jobs that I never even thought that would, you know, because, you know, I just didn't expect them to, you know, to really take on and are actually starting businesses. | ||
| And then Trump also putting in place the Opportunity Zones with $100 billion into the inner cities for Opportunity Zones to build the community. | ||
| That kind of stuff is unprecedented, and I haven't seen it in my lifetime. | ||
| A president that's undergone such scrutiny for helping the black community and calling him a racist is kind of like, doesn't make sense to me because he's doing more for the black community than any president prior, even President Obama. | ||
| Yeah, I'm guessing you've probably gotten a little hate for the hat and the mask before, right? | ||
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Yeah, definitely. | |
| Not always the most pleasant interactions, but, I mean... You know what was interesting? | ||
| As we were walking through the Tampa airport, Phillip had his mask and his hat on the whole time, and we got nothing but support. | ||
| People would come up to us and And talk to him and ask us what we were doing and why we were traveling and ask him about his hat. | ||
| It was the overwhelming popular support of the people. | ||
| It's just the mainstream media seems to be bent on creating a narrative to simply create a reality rather than simply describe the reality America is actually experiencing. | ||
| Believe me, I hear you. | ||
| I stumbled upon a Trump rally in LA of all places the other day. | ||
| I just happened to be going down the street and there was a Trump rally. | ||
| And guess what? | ||
| There were black people, white people, gay people, straight people, Latino people, and nobody cared. | ||
| All right, so since you are a constitutional lawyer, I suspect there's gonna be some legal action on the way. | ||
| Am I mistaken? | ||
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We're going to start off by writing a nice letter. | |
| We're going to give Southwest the opportunity to do the right thing. | ||
| Although I am a constitutional lawyer, I don't have a trigger finger, so I don't go around and sue everybody. | ||
| I want everybody to have the opportunity to make things whole without entering into the field of litigation. | ||
| I'd like to see an amicable relationship. | ||
| I have personally been flying Southwest for over 10 years. | ||
| And for me, their customer service has been impeccable. | ||
| And so I want to know, as a customer, that this is not the view of Southwest. | ||
| That this is just some flight attendant that got upset or triggered and is letting his own bias override his professionalism. | ||
| So I want Southwest to have that opportunity. | ||
| To make us whole in that. | ||
| All right. | ||
| I'm glad to hear that, because I think, you know, people see these videos and they automatically think, oh, something must have happened right before, or these guys are just trying to get into a lawsuit, and it genuinely doesn't sound that way. | ||
| With you guys. | ||
| Philip, you know, I find that there's moments over the last couple of years where I've interviewed somebody where it's like, oh, they're about to step into something much bigger if they want it. | ||
| If you were introduced to Candace Owens and Brandon Tatum and Larry Elder and all those guys, do you want a louder voice in that Black Voices for Trump movement? | ||
| Because I know a guy. | ||
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Well, I'm all about the Constitution. | |
| That's why I'm actually traveling with Ms. | ||
| Chris Anhall. | ||
| You know, the values that America upholds, the freedom that we have here. | ||
| So if there was any platform that I was ever introduced to do that, I would obviously take that only because I do believe that, you know, not just Trump and anybody that believes in this country and believes in freedom. | ||
| I think that that, that should be voiced from every single person. | ||
| So. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Well, let me, let me see what I could do. | ||
| I might be able to, I might be able to make something happen there. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Well, I know you guys, you guys have a hectic day of teaching people about the constitution, which is another thing dear to my heart. | ||
| So I'm going to let you get to it. | ||
| I thank you guys for taking the time this morning and good luck with everything. | ||
| And you know, if you need to get the message out further, you know how to get me. | ||
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Thanks, sir. | |
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