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michael j knowles
Welcome to the Rubin Report.
I am not Dave Rubin.
I am Michael Knowles, but we are here because, you know, Dave has been away now for an entire month.
He's been in bliss.
He's been in paradise, away from all the misery, and we are gonna spoil all of that for them.
This is the Rubin Report.
Welcome back.
unidentified
Knowles, I have literally...
dave rubin
No idea what's going on in the world.
We have sat here for a few minutes, talked about life.
michael j knowles
Yes, but not news.
dave rubin
You did not reveal anything.
michael j knowles
No.
dave rubin
I truly know nothing.
I absolutely nothing.
unidentified
I knew.
dave rubin
People don't believe it, but it's true.
michael j knowles
When you asked me to host your coming back show.
dave rubin
Yeah.
michael j knowles
I knew there'd be a lot of fun.
We've seen it in years past.
Ben has done it.
Glenn has done it.
Oh, you know, there's always some crazy news.
You have no idea.
This year, you know, they always say this is the most important election in our lifetimes.
This is the craziest year of news in my entire lifetime.
And you thought things, you thought things were bad in July, probably, right?
dave rubin
Well, everyone thought things were bad in July.
I can tell you this.
So first off, in a weird way, even though obviously whatever you're about to tell me about, like you could almost tell me anything at this point.
You could tell me aliens invaded.
You could tell me Joe Biden's head exploded.
You could tell me coronavirus was a hoax.
You could tell me half the country has it.
You could tell me almost anything and I could pretty much believe it because that's how bananas the world has become.
But oddly, getting off the grid this year, and this is the fourth time I've done this August off the grid thing, In a weird way, this was the easiest, because in years past, I traveled, I went to the gym, I went to public places, restaurants, and in those places they often have televisions where they're showing the news, or I was in an airport.
I was home this whole time.
We moved, but I was home, so I had no people around me anywhere.
And in other years, if I went to the store, people would come up to me like, Dave, I know you're off the grid, but come on, you have your phone on you, don't you?
Like literally, keeping me honest.
I'm not kidding, I would do that.
I'd pull my pockets, I'd be like, I got nothing.
But now, because I'm in a mask when I'm out, nobody came up to me.
So I have had almost no human communication.
Even this morning when I got here, just to say hi to the security guard,
I was like, whoa, that's what it's like to be with like a human.
'Cause I've been with David basically and our dog.
I have no freaking clue what's going on.
And I'm a little afraid, honestly.
michael j knowles
I envy you.
I wish that I had this kind of month away from all the craziness before we get into, before I just burst your lists and your piece.
dave rubin
Yes.
michael j knowles
How was it?
How was it being away?
Did you miss it?
unidentified
No.
michael j knowles
Were you itching for the Twitter?
dave rubin
Were you... I am excited to be back and I'm excited to be sitting here with you and this is gonna be fun and like people are gonna get the reactions in real time and then I'll get right back in the fight tomorrow.
michael j knowles
Yeah.
dave rubin
But it was really, really great.
First off, the reason we're doing this here at The Daily Wire is because I moved and we rebuilt the Rubin Report studio, which will debut tomorrow separately.
michael j knowles
I noticed we've got new graphics here.
dave rubin
We've got new graphics, we've got new music.
My team was busting their butts.
One of the things that was different this year is that in years past when we've gone away, and I'm laying at the beach and I'm reading and whatever, is my phone is literally locked in a safe.
We couldn't do that this year because I had plumbers and electricians
and people working on things and things like that.
But also, the way we're connected actually really struck me this year more than past
because I have Sonos music in my house, the Sonos system.
So if I wanted to listen to music, I actually needed my phone.
So I took out an old iPhone and it wasn't connected to the cellular network,
but it just had my wifi to make sure I wasn't gonna get notified.
Like these weird things.
Or to turn on Nest air conditioning, you need your phone.
michael j knowles
Yeah, that's true.
dave rubin
They have figured out ways.
michael j knowles
A lot of security systems now go through the phone, right?
dave rubin
Right, cameras at my house, like everything.
It all goes through this thing that we're walking out with.
And even if you want to get off it, like just to not know the news,
like something that should be kind of simple.
That thing, that Matrix has us so locked in.
michael j knowles
Yeah.
dave rubin
It's crazy.
Like, I guess I could have busted out my old CD player.
unidentified
Yeah.
My little boombox.
michael j knowles
Like a Nextel to call your friends.
dave rubin
Right.
michael j knowles
Your Walkman to listen.
dave rubin
Yeah, but it was great.
It was, I feel, truly, I feel relaxed.
I feel calmer.
I feel a little more patient.
I also feel that whatever you're going to tell me, and this is what I thought a lot about over the last couple of days, Is that I think what I've realized is the reason that this is important to do that for especially for guys like us and and in a weird way everyone's become like us right like meaning creatures of the news because this is now taking over everything and in the public too right everyone's in the public if you have any kind of social media account you are a public facing person right so while we do it with fancier cameras and things like that everyone is like in this fight right yeah everyone's in this thing and what I realized is
When you wake up every day, and I try not to have my phone in my room anyway when I'm on the grid, when you wake up and you're always in the fight and at any given moment somebody could say something horrible about you or that this media thing, like that keeps you in this like, it sounds cliche almost, but like it keeps you like a rat or a hamster on a wheel and your brain is just going all the time and it's just like this endless thing that it's always like, feed me, feed me, feed me.
And I feel like I really do have some better perspective right now.
Like whatever you're going to tell me, again, World War III could have started.
Antifa could have taken over the White House.
I have no clue.
michael j knowles
What if I told you?
What if I said to you, because you're so happy right now and you're totally at peace.
What if I told you?
Everything calmed down, you know.
dave rubin
There's no way.
michael j knowles
The riots stopped and the virus cured.
Would you believe that?
dave rubin
Not only would I not believe you, I thought a lot about that.
michael j knowles
Yeah.
dave rubin
Because every time someone would come into my house and I had to announce to plumbers and electricians and everybody else, guys, just don't, because the news comes.
It's like, why would a plumber come into your house and tell you about the news?
Except we live in this bizarre world where everyone talks about it all the time, right?
So I would literally, someone would come into my house and be like, listen, I know it's going to sound crazy.
They don't know who I am.
So, you know, so, but like, don't tell me about the news.
Okay.
But that idea that it could slow down or it could stop, there's just no way.
Because every time I told somebody what I was doing, people would be like the same thing.
Everyone said the same thing every time.
Oh, it's much worse now.
Oh, God, it's worse now.
You're not going to believe it when you get back what happened this time.
Wait, you don't know about that?
And then I have to stop everyone.
They couldn't stop him.
So I don't know anything about the news.
But you don't you must know about that.
And I was no, no, no.
And then so so the idea that it could stop the idea that the machine could somehow reverse like that's what I think what we all want.
unidentified
Yeah.
dave rubin
Is we all sort of like, even if you think about it this way, February or so when the lockdowns began, I guess that was maybe the beginning of March.
unidentified
Yeah.
dave rubin
That's not that long ago, right?
Like, it's like six months.
michael j knowles
Was it 15 days ago?
I was told 15 days to slow the spread.
Was it?
No.
dave rubin
Remember?
Remember, slow the spread, flatten the... I assume we flattened the... Tell me we must have flattened the curve.
michael j knowles
The curve.
Can we get the curve on call here so we can... I think it's flattened.
dave rubin
I think it's... But, like, that the world is now changing so fast that it's... that February now seems like the good old days.
And I think what we all want and what we all need is some people, and I'm really gonna try to do this going forward.
I think I've tried to do it anyway.
I'm gonna try to be one of the people that like slow down the machine from just crushing everybody all the time
because we can start.
And I have no doubt that almost everything you're going to tell me is bad.
That there won't have been, like, for example, I was thinking, all right, well, the conventions happened.
I assume the conventions happened.
michael j knowles
They did.
They did happen.
I'll spoil that.
OK, we'll get into the convention.
dave rubin
So the conventions happened.
But I was thinking, like, is there any chance like a Democrat got up in the convention and said identity politics is bad or rule of law is good or or the Constitution is good or America is kind of decent?
Well, like, is there any chance that happened?
I'm sure not.
And I'll just say one other thing, and then we should get going here.
So I had no news, no nothing, but one thing, one little thing happened, which is one night we were watching Netflix, and we X'd out of Netflix, like went back into Apple TV, and something happened for, it was two seconds.
We somehow got onto the, I guess it was the Democratic National, the convention, and all I heard, this is exactly what I heard, Yeah.
was Bernie Sanders.
I saw his giant head after not seeing anything for 20 days.
unidentified
And he goes, "Joe Biden will fix our crumbling infrastructure."
dave rubin
And then we quickly shut the TV off.
That's the only thing I heard.
But like that like stupidity, the level of, "Yes, Joe Biden is gonna fix
our national crumbling infrastructure."
michael j knowles
Finally. - Yeah.
He's only been in government 50 years.
unidentified
Yeah, that old guy who said nothing and the other guy... He was around when they built the infrastructure.
michael j knowles
Now they're going to have to do it again.
dave rubin
But I have no idea.
There could have been an earthquake.
Anything could have happened.
Trump could have shaved his head.
unidentified
I have no idea.
michael j knowles
I want to start off with the most important news.
dave rubin
Yes.
michael j knowles
Then we'll get down.
We'll do it in descending order.
dave rubin
Yes.
Descending of importance?
michael j knowles
Of level of importance.
I'm going to start with the most important stuff.
Okay.
WNBA cancelled three games last Wednesday.
unidentified
Is that not?
dave rubin
The WNBA.
michael j knowles
They did.
You know, they did.
They actually did.
dave rubin
They cancelled games.
But wait, are they playing in front of people?
michael j knowles
Wait, are they still a league?
dave rubin
Is that a league?
Are we allowed to say that now?
unidentified
No.
michael j knowles
They cancelled the three games for racial justice.
So if you want to watch your Atlanta dream or your Washington Mystics play the game, you can't do it for racial justice.
It wasn't just them.
The NBA, the one that people actually watch, cancelled games.
Why?
For racial justice.
dave rubin
Wait, you are messing with me, right?
michael j knowles
I am not messing with you.
dave rubin
They canceled games not because of COVID, but because in protest of racial injustice.
michael j knowles
And you don't even know, you don't even, I mean, you're probably still thinking George Floyd or whatever.
Yeah.
No, there have been like seven since then.
There have been so many totally contrived incidents since then.
unidentified
Can I?
Yeah.
dave rubin
Well, just on the basketball front.
So one of the things that I do is when I'm doing cardio and I did cardio, I did about an hour of cardio every day for the last month.
That's how I would pretty much start my mornings.
I'd have some coffee, I'd jump on the, elliptical machine, and I watch old NBA games.
I watch 1990s, you know, Jordan Peak years NBA games, and there's a crowd, and people are screaming, and it's fun, and it's all people.
And I said right before I went off the grid, because I watched like a few minutes of one of these games in the dome, or whatever they call it, you know, their place where there's no people, and you're watching millionaires yell at referees, and it all feels very dystopian and evil.
It's like, why would Why would anyone want to pay these people at this point?
Why would you want to give your hard-earned money to these people?
They won't even play basketball for a living?
michael j knowles
Yeah.
What are they boycotting?
The millionaire players are boycotting the league, and the league is pro-DLM or whatever, and they're very pro-China.
dave rubin
Wait, did something new happen?
The NBA players?
Let's put the WNBA aside.
michael j knowles
We'll put the W for now.
We can put that aside.
dave rubin
So something new happened that triggered?
michael j knowles
So I will spoil it for you.
The riots are still going on.
That's what we're doing.
The riots are still going on.
The riots have been going on this whole time.
There have been so many new attacks.
But I'll give you the one that everyone's talking about now.
BLM's come out.
There's Antifa in the streets.
People are very upset about this killing of a man named Jacob Blake.
And I'll walk you through the killing of Jacob Blake.
Jacob Blake is a guy who had a warrant out for his arrest.
He had a warrant out for sexual assault, domestic violence.
Obviously, this woman called the cops on him.
She said that he comes and beats her up every time he gets really drunk.
So the cops are out there, they pull their guns out, and he is resisting arrest.
They try to tase him.
It doesn't matter.
dave rubin
Where is this?
michael j knowles
This is in Kenosha, Wisconsin.
dave rubin
Okay.
michael j knowles
So this guy, you know Kenosha, that thriving metropolis.
But Kenosha, Wisconsin, keep in mind, a swing state.
This guy's walking then, he's evading arrest, he's got the guns drawn on him.
He walks up to his car, opens the car door.
The car is full of kids.
Reaches into the car, where we all knew he had a weapon stashed, but you weren't allowed to say that until finally it was confirmed.
And then at that point, after the police have been yelling at this guy, they shoot him.
And he's still alive, by the way, he's not dead.
I think he's paralyzed, he's obviously very angry.
dave rubin
It was his kids in the car.
michael j knowles
It is, I guess, I suppose that's a bit unclear.
dave rubin
Okay.
But you've got these, so part of the issue is... In other words, it's just another one of these stories.
michael j knowles
It's another one.
dave rubin
The media now frames it as this is racism, this is, yeah.
michael j knowles
Yeah.
dave rubin
You know, one of the things that I was thinking about a lot this month, and I think when you get away from it, you can kind of see it a little clearer, is that I know guys like us do complain about the media a lot, and I know that more and more people are waking up to it, but it really is an evil machine.
michael j knowles
Yeah.
dave rubin
It really is an evil machine that people are making money on pushing narratives.
Sounds like this, like you probably don't have to tell me that much more to give me a clearer picture.
You get the idea.
So now people are in the streets of Kenosha.
michael j knowles
They burn the city down.
But this is where it gets even worse.
This is what you're talking about with the kind of media just as the puppet masters of everything.
You're always on this wheel.
So they're pouring onto the streets, BLM, Antifa, right?
And then this one kid, I guess he's a conservative kid, goes to clean up the streets.
So he's there.
There's a famous picture of him now clearing the graffiti off of murals.
dave rubin
Conservatives always clean it up.
michael j knowles
But he came armed because he said, look, there are rioters in the streets.
We have it on video that these BLM and Antifa guys are attacking this kid, kicking him in the head, going after him.
Takes his gun, shoots three of them.
Shoots three.
Now, these three guys who are now being hailed as heroes, as saints, one of them was a serial domestic abuser, the other was a convicted child molester, one guy was chasing him with a gun.
So we're not, these weren't social workers here.
Right, right, right.
dave rubin
But the media narrative is now they're somehow the good guys.
michael j knowles
And the media narrative is that they're the good guys, that this kid is a white supremacist based on absolutely nothing.
And the biggest change that's happened since you've been away is the media initially, and the left, and the universities, and the elected officials, Yeah.
Well, that's what they were telling us about Portland.
These are peaceful, mostly peaceful protests.
dave rubin
Well that's what they were telling us about Portland. It was always peaceful.
michael j knowles
Yeah, in DC and all over the country.
Minneapolis, mostly peaceful protests.
Now they're saying that there is violence and it's being caused by white supremacists.
dave rubin
It's all they have left.
That's what I'm saying.
When you step away from it, it's so obvious.
It's like nauseating.
All they've got left is that the rest of us are white supremacists and we're not.
And that isn't to say that there aren't some white supremacists.
There are, but I'm going to go out on a limb here, Knowles, after being off the grid for a month and guess that this kid who was cleaning up is probably not a white supremacist.
And I'm going to guess he wasn't looking to shoot people that morning.
It sort of sounds like that McCloskey story.
unidentified
Yeah.
dave rubin
Which was the story with the two people defending their house in Missouri.
michael j knowles
Yeah.
dave rubin
Right before I went off the grid.
Which was, it's not, everyone's trying to frame it that they're bad guys and all this stuff.
And it's like, they weren't waking up that morning like, let's bust out the guns.
michael j knowles
They didn't go to someone else's house, right?
They were at their house.
So the president, to his great credit, comes out and says, the kid was acting in self-defense.
Now, could you imagine any other politician of either party actually going out on a political limb and saying like, uh, rioters bad, uh, rioters attacking people bad, self-defense totally justified.
So Trump goes out there and says this, but this is the way it's being framed.
And do you see, do you see the contradiction there that the media are trying to work out?
Totally peaceful, no violence at all.
All the violence is being caused by white supremacists.
I thought there was no violence.
What do you mean all the violence is?
And if you look down, obviously, how many white supremacists are there in the country?
Like seven or something like that?
dave rubin
How many times can they pull the same trick before we all wake up?
And that is what I will tell you.
You know, one of the things that I actually did get to do is, I'm sure like you, I get a lot of emails that are nice and people say nice things about me.
I read your book or whatever.
But I get a lot of handwritten letters, and I usually don't have a lot of time to be reading them, but I did read a lot of handwritten letters that people sent me.
And almost every time, people include the phrase, wake up.
Like, I woke up.
It has something to do with some of the things that you've talked about, or people.
And it's like, this type of stuff, it's like, of course!
And it's like, I'm sure you're going to tell me another city something happened.
michael j knowles
Yeah, so the riots are going on.
dave rubin
So nothing got tempered down?
michael j knowles
No, it only got ratcheted up.
It only got worse.
dave rubin
You do realize that this is hilarious, that you didn't start with the pandemic.
michael j knowles
No, that's right.
The pandemic is like story number seven.
dave rubin
Oh, that's not even, are we doing a pandemic?
michael j knowles
The pandemic is like, although there, I gotta tell you, okay, all right.
dave rubin
Yeah, I wouldn't know, by the way, if there's, really anything.
You could tell me it was over.
You could tell me it was a hoax.
You could tell me 90% of us have it.
You could tell me half the civilizations, anything would sort of work out into, oh, that's possible.
Because when you're not paying attention to the news, and then you, we live in SoCal, it's sunny and 90 degrees every day.
Everyone here looks great.
is healthy, everything else.
And every store, if I went to the supermarket or anywhere else, it sort of feels crazy.
I'm not saying it's a hoax, I'm not.
But it feels kind of crazy.
michael j knowles
To see healthy people wearing masks in the sunshine. - Just all young,
dave rubin
healthy people where we know it's not killing young, healthy people.
And yet, if you even say that, I know I'm gonna get a lot of hate just saying that.
michael j knowles
Okay, so then I wanna know what your hunch is.
Do you think that the virus, you know, and people's health and everything, has it gotten better since you've been away?
Or has it gotten worse?
You know, are we finally reopening or are we locking down again?
dave rubin
Well, so I can tell you from my L.A.
experience.
I honestly don't know if restaurants are open right now or not.
I know I can go to the supermarket, and I went to CVS the other day, and a guy yelled at me because I was walking into the store without my mask.
I did put it on as I was entering, like I was entering an airlock.
So I would guess that it all is worse.
I would guess that the The vision of it that we all hear or see is worse because that's what the media has to run with, at least through the election.
I don't know if it's, like, I'm guessing you're not gonna read me numbers right now that show me it's much worse or suddenly lots of young people are dying or something like that.
michael j knowles
No, none of that.
In fact, it's so much better.
In California, hospitalizations are dropping, deaths are dropping, same thing is true in Orange County, same thing is true in San Diego.
This is good!
Yeah, it's good, right?
unidentified
Good!
michael j knowles
It's all good.
unidentified
Great!
michael j knowles
So what's the plan to reopen?
dave rubin
No plan.
michael j knowles
There's no plan.
Well, here is the plan.
We will nearly reopen, according to Governor Nussolini, we will nearly reopen.
dave rubin
That guy's still around.
michael j knowles
He is somehow still around.
We'll nearly reopen when there is a lower than 2% test positivity rate.
Not contagious, not hospitalizations, not deaths.
That people, that less than 2% of the tests are coming back positive.
This is what I'm talking about.
So never, so never, right?
dave rubin
This is what I'm talking about, about the rat race and what they get you to do.
You can find videos, I'm sure you have similar ones too, you can find videos of me saying two weeks into this thing that when they say flatten the curve, that I guarantee you once we flatten the curve, that they will pick some other arbitrary thing down the road.
And I remember when Newsom, our governor here in California, when he said, okay, we're gonna lock down till August 1st.
I remember saying on air, people can find the videotape.
I remember saying, well, there's no reason to think they'll open up then.
And now they'll just come up with some other arbitrary thing and some other arbitrary thing.
And we all keep playing along.
We all keep playing along.
And again, that's not to say it's a hoax.
It's to say, There's something wrong with the information system, or something like that.
michael j knowles
I've got two data points for you that just came out.
Data?
Is that still legal?
Only when it goes along with the left-wing narrative.
So, out of the New York Times, 90% of people who test positive are no longer contagious.
So 90%...
So we've been told the whole time that even if you seem totally healthy,
you could be an asymptomatic spreader and this is going to kill granny,
so you've got to lock yourself in your home.
Now we're finding out actually even 90% of people who test positive are really not that contagious.
And then this number is pretty crazy, from the CDC.
This number, by the way, even if you logged on to Twitter today, you wouldn't have seen it because Twitter banned it, even using data from the CDC.
dave rubin
Oh, so Twitter's still banning reality?
michael j knowles
Oh, Twitter's gotten way worse.
dave rubin
That was a big thing, right?
For those few days right before I left the grid, they were banning reality.
michael j knowles
Oh, it has only gone up.
The percentage of COVID deaths that were exclusively caused by COVID, not by other comorbidities, you know, not by cancer, whatever, 6%.
6% of people who died of COVID died specifically of COVID, which brings the number from around 180,000 down to about 11,000 who died specifically from COVID.
You're not allowed to say that on Twitter.
dave rubin
Because... Do people get it yet?
michael j knowles
No, they don't.
dave rubin
Do people get it?
michael j knowles
They don't.
dave rubin
But people do get it, right?
Like the wake-up that I just referenced, like, it is happening at some level, right?
And you just can't see it.
Or sort of the mainstream tier won't let you see it.
michael j knowles
Yes.
dave rubin
But the average person is just going, this is just too obvious now.
It's too ridiculous.
We can see the guy behind the curtain.
Like, what are you guys doing?
michael j knowles
Well, you see that a little bit in the reactions to the party conventions.
dave rubin
Yeah, oh, the party conventions!
michael j knowles
The party conventions happen, they both happen.
dave rubin
So is Biden alive?
michael j knowles
Biden, uh, technically, I don't, I mean, that's at least what they're saying.
dave rubin
Yeah, so Biden is still the nominee.
michael j knowles
He is the nominee.
dave rubin
Yeah, I'm still, I'm still not convinced.
unidentified
You don't know.
michael j knowles
Do you have any guesses who the vice president?
dave rubin
Okay, so a day or two before I went off the grid, Politico leaked out that it was going to be Kamala Harris, and I sort of felt that was like a little too obvious, even though he said it had to be a woman, and we know he's... He said it had to be black.
Did he in fact say it had to be... He said a woman of color.
michael j knowles
So it could have been Elizabeth Warren.
dave rubin
Yeah, exactly.
About a week later, and now I was off the grid already, I was in the fruit section.
I was buying a melon, actually.
I do enjoy a little watermelon in the summer months.
It gets hot here.
And there was a woman like screaming in joy about Kamala Harris.
So I suspect that it is Kamala Harris.
I'm guessing it's Kamala Harris.
The way you're nodding at me sort of... It is Kamala Harris.
She is the worst.
I mean, she is the worst.
Do you think- She is the worst.
michael j knowles
Do you think that Dick would have helped him or hurt him in the polls?
dave rubin
Do I think that Kamala would help him or hurt him?
Well, it can't really... Well, first off, the polls at this point, it's like... Who knows what the polls mean?
It can't really help because the Democrats hated her.
Nobody voted for her.
Nobody likes her.
And the crazy lefties that are running the show right now, the Antifa-Bernie coalition of Marxist lunatics, they all hate Kamala Harris because they think she's like a corporatist sellout.
But she...
Oh, that's so gross.
michael j knowles
It's so gross.
And it did.
dave rubin
You know, look, she's the worst.
She's the worst kind of authoritarian.
michael j knowles
Yeah.
dave rubin
You remember that moment at one of the debates when she was still in it, when the question was asked to Biden about would you use an executive action to ban assault weapons or do something on guns?
And Biden said, people can find this.
Biden said, "Oh, well, it would have to be constitutional."
And Kamala Harris looks at him laughing.
And she says, "Joe, can't we just say, yes, we can."
unidentified
(laughs)
dave rubin
And it's like, wait a minute.
You think that you can use the power of the executive branch
to supersede the power of the legislative branch on something that's enshrined in the Bill of Rights?
Like, she's the worst.
michael j knowles
It's funny you mention that witchy cackle, because you'll remember, this is the big problem when Biden picks her.
She launched the most vicious attack against Biden that has yet been launched this cycle.
She called him a vicious racist at those early debates and said he was a segregationist or whatever, right?
unidentified
Oh, right, right, right.
michael j knowles
Remember that?
The bus thing and all this ridiculous thing.
So she goes on The Colbert Show, and Colbert, to his credit, pushes her.
He says, Senator Harris, what happened to Joe Biden being a terrible
racist?
And she puts on the cackle, she goes, "Ha ha ha ha, it was a debate!"
And so he says, "Right, it was a debate, but are you saying you were lying then?"
"Ha ha ha!"
It was a debate!
It was a debate!
It's called a debate!
It was a debate!
She must have repeated the word debate.
dave rubin
That's how evil these people are.
That's what I'm talking about.
It's all becoming too obvious to everybody.
The nonsense.
She never believed he was a racist.
No one in their right mind believes Joe Biden is a racist.
But then you throw it out there, and for anyone that's on the fence about politics that's watching this happen, it's like, when you see them do it against their own and it's a lie, does it make you wonder when they call everybody else?
Maybe it's a lie too.
michael j knowles
Right.
dave rubin
But this stuff, for some reason, it just sticks to conservatives more than it does their own.
But wait, so tell me about the polls.
michael j knowles
So they pick Kamala, and you know, you pick a vice presidential candidate, your polls are supposed to go up.
That's the point of picking a vice presidential candidate.
Balances the ticket, maybe you win a state, but it's got to help you.
The poll numbers went down.
So even Democrats were deeply dismayed by this.
dave rubin
Because who likes her?
michael j knowles
Who likes her?
She was one of the first people out in the primary.
Nobody wanted this woman to be the pick.
And so this ties in.
dave rubin
Identity politics ruins everything it touches, period.
michael j knowles
Including your own base of support.
unidentified
Yeah.
Right?
michael j knowles
It's like even the Democrats kind of made this Faustian bargain.
We're like, okay, we'll do this identity politics thing, which is obviously evil and contrary to logic.
dave rubin
Yeah.
michael j knowles
But at least we'll get more support.
Maybe for a little while, but you go in, so first is the DNC.
dave rubin
Yeah.
michael j knowles
And the RNC followed.
dave rubin
Oh, okay.
Okay.
michael j knowles
DNC.
Worst produced thing I've ever seen.
unidentified
Yeah.
michael j knowles
You would think Democrats own Hollywood.
dave rubin
Wait, and was it live or not?
michael j knowles
It was, some of it was live.
dave rubin
So live meaning they had, there were people.
michael j knowles
Oh no, no, no.
All of it was, it was a zoom call.
It was, the only question is, were they, was it actually going out live or was it, Did Biden get out of the basement, or did he literally do it from the basement?
So, he did.
He actually did somewhat well in his acceptance speech.
He slurred some words, but that's par for the course.
dave rubin
Yeah.
michael j knowles
But, he was barely in it.
He was barely a part of this thing.
It was all this weird Zoom call stuff.
I actually want to do two truths and a lie with you right now, just before we get into the DNC, okay?
unidentified
Okay.
michael j knowles
So, you tell me which one of these is the lie.
dave rubin
Okay.
michael j knowles
The DNC removed the phrase, under God, from the Pledge of Allegiance.
dave rubin
That feels true to me, because they've been trying to do this for a long time.
michael j knowles
They booed God, remember?
dave rubin
Yeah.
michael j knowles
Was it 2012?
Yeah.
dave rubin
So that feels true.
michael j knowles
That feels true.
Hillary Clinton urged Americans to respect the results of the election.
dave rubin
No, that doesn't feel true to me.
It doesn't feel true.
michael j knowles
Even if it's Biden, even if they think Biden's going to win?
dave rubin
They're setting it up, knowing that Biden's brain is going to explode or something, but she doesn't want people, they haven't done it for four years, these last four years.
So that does, I guess, well, no, I mean, I suppose I could envision a situation where she's tipping to the people, you know, if our guy wins, let's make sure he accepts it.
michael j knowles
Right, I guess it's sort of poll dependent, right?
It's like, if Biden's way up in the polls, and don't forget, when you went off the grid, Biden was way up in the polls.
We can maybe get into that a little bit too.
dave rubin
One of my neighbors in the new house does have a Joe Biden, you know, little placard in front of his house.
It's Biden's sunglasses.
And it's got the American flag in each eye.
michael j knowles
Is there anything more contrived than the stupid Biden aviator thing?
dave rubin
I wear aviators.
He's ruined these.
michael j knowles
He's ruined aviators.
It's so lame.
dave rubin
Yeah.
michael j knowles
Third one, Trump brought peace to the Middle East.
dave rubin
I like the way you play this game, Knowles.
That seems more legit to me than the Democrats respecting the election if Trump wins.
But I'm going to go on the assumption that that is false.
michael j knowles
Okay.
So then you've got these three.
DNC removes Under God, Hillary Clinton says respect the election, Trump brings peace to the Middle East.
dave rubin
Yeah.
michael j knowles
So which is the lie?
dave rubin
Trump didn't bring peace to the Middle East.
Although, you know, I've been away for a while, Knowles.
We live in a strange time.
There's peace in the Middle East.
michael j knowles
There's sort of peace in the Middle East.
unidentified
We got peace!
michael j knowles
And Trump sort of brought it.
unidentified
We got peace!
michael j knowles
So there is an historic deal that was just signed normalizing relations between Israel and the United Arab Emirates.
This is the first time that Israel has normalized relations with an Arab country in at least two decades.
I think 26 years or something.
This is actually world historic news.
And of course, it's being blocked out of the mainstream media.
Even if you had been in the news, you probably wouldn't have seen this during the week because mainstream media is not talking about it.
So Trump actually does this.
He gets absolutely no credit for it, of course.
The under God thing?
unidentified
Yeah.
michael j knowles
The DNC did remove it at the start of the Muslim Caucus and the LGBT Caucus.
So it wasn't at the start of the convention.
dave rubin
Oh my God.
michael j knowles
But at those two, could you imagine?
dave rubin
That's really twisted, but that's not surprising.
michael j knowles
Seems to me the LGBT Caucus, I guess there's no direct, it's not like that's a religious group.
dave rubin
Right, it's not religious.
So, all right, let's just put that one aside for a second.
michael j knowles
But the Muslim Caucus, that doesn't make a lot of sense.
dave rubin
I'm sure they believe in God.
michael j knowles
I think they do.
I think God is part of the religion.
So they do it because obviously the DMC is now just totally secular totally atheistic and you were right Hillary Clinton of course I love I love that it is more believable that Trump brings peace to the Middle East than that Hillary Clinton says respect the election and not only is it believable it's true Hillary Clinton went out there and said Joe Biden should not concede this election.
They are trying to start a war.
Under any circumstances.
Not just he shouldn't concede, it's closed, it'll be a little... Under any circumstances.
dave rubin
It's so obvious to me that the Democrats invited this evil cancerous ideology into the House.
They invited it in.
And now it has ransacked the entire place.
It's pulling the copper wiring from the walls on the way out.
The entire thing is collapsing.
Really, this is true.
I don't mean this to be hyperbolic.
There's almost nothing you could have said to me.
michael j knowles
Yeah.
dave rubin
That happened at the DNC thing, short of Biden burning the American flag, like right up there, like, you see, let's just do it, everybody, that I wouldn't have believed because I don't, I hope maybe more people are realizing how evil and corrupt and anti-American and everything else this thing has become.
And I look forward to criticizing the Republicans in just a moment when you tell me a little bit about what happened there.
But there's nothing, we've discussed this a million times in the last year, there is nothing the liberals can do.
The good, decent liberals who are scattered throughout the galaxy, and there's very few of them left, there's nothing they can do to stop this thing.
If you think that Joe Biden is the thing that's gonna stop Antifa and the rot that is AOC and the rest of them, And I just, I say it all the time, but I can't wait till it takes out Bernie.
That when it comes around for Bernie and they're dancing as they destroy him, which they will.
unidentified
He's a conservative, corrupt white supremacist.
dave rubin
And he backed Joe Biden after backing Hillary Clinton and he was never a true revolutionary.
They'll get him.
He, you know, whatever.
But man, the God thing, I mean, that is, You know what it reminds me of?
You remember that quote from Marianne Williamson?
Remember Marianne and the Crystals?
michael j knowles
The dark psychic forces.
dave rubin
Well, remember when she said the thing about when she got caught off mic or she got on a hot mic after she was on some show where she said, you know, I understand.
She's like, I've never gotten the hate from the right that I get from the left, which is her own side.
And she goes, I understand why the conservatives call them godless.
And it's like, it does make sense.
They don't believe in anything other than power.
Yeah, yeah.
That doesn't mean every single one of them.
I don't think they're all awful people, but Biden, who I think is probably a decent man,
you know what I mean?
He doesn't know what he believes anymore.
And now the party, ugh, it's gross.
michael j knowles
I actually feel gross.
dave rubin
I felt great about a half hour ago.
michael j knowles
Well, it's only going to get worse.
I mean, we've barely gotten into it.
The thing about the DNC was it was about nothing.
It was truly about nothing.
It was about, you know, they had 10 million different identity groups, 5 million of which were created in the last six months.
And it was all about orange man bad.
And there really was no, at any point, there was no specific argument for why we need to vote for Joe Biden.
One thing that was curious about it, though, You know, they take God out of a few of these caucus meetings.
They've got this kind of anti-American sentiment.
They say they're going to destroy capitalism in the youth caucus.
You know, because this was all a big Zoom meeting, all the Republicans infiltrated it.
And so you actually got these kind of secret meeting videos.
It was one of the positives of coronavirus, of the lockdowns rather.
But the one thing is they tried to seem patriotic.
dave rubin
No, they actually tried it, but they can't do it.
michael j knowles
It was not believable.
Andy Cuomo got out there and he said, we're America tough.
We're going to be with a great country.
We're going to be America tough.
18 months ago, Andrew Cuomo said, we're not going to make America great again.
America was never that great.
So what happened?
dave rubin
Yeah.
michael j knowles
Why are they trying to do it?
dave rubin
As you were watching it, as someone that's not on that side, you're obviously not a Democrat, but I know you're a pretty fair guy.
Were you trying to pilfer out anything sensible?
Because even though I'm obviously not a Democrat, I'm registered here as a Democrat because I wanted to vote against Sanders.
Which is, it's all so stupid, but I do try to look at both things objectively and pilfer some kind of, like, can I get something honest?
Like, can this all be eaten?
Was there anything there?
unidentified
No.
dave rubin
Like, did Biden offer anything?
There's nothing left.
michael j knowles
No, the thing he offered is, he said, the theme of his campaign is, we're going to restore the soul of the nation.
And Donald Trump called neo-Nazis very fine people at Charlottesville.
dave rubin
Which is not true.
unidentified
True.
michael j knowles
Which is not true.
It's obviously... He says in the next paragraph, he says, I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis and white supremacists who should be condemned totally.
unidentified
Yeah.
michael j knowles
Doesn't matter.
dave rubin
No, he said that in the previous, before he said the thing about there's good people on both sides.
He said that first, actually.
And he... That's the part that always gets cut.
michael j knowles
Yeah, because they never play them together.
dave rubin
Yeah.
michael j knowles
But that's the lie that the campaign was founded on.
And so when you listen to Biden, you think, wow, he's making a really good argument about a fantasy.
dave rubin
About a thing that didn't happen.
michael j knowles
About a thing that didn't happen.
And so he arrives at this conclusion based on a false premise.
So that was the DNC, all vague, all whatever.
The reason that the Democrats are still pushing all of these race riots and stoking all these race riots Because the RNC did a great job of black and minority outreach.
In a way, it was like almost pandering.
You thought, oh my gosh, it's like every black Republican in the world is coming and speaking at this thing.
But they wanted to make the point that Democrats are calling us racist.
We are manifestly not racist.
The RNC, I got to tell you, I think it's because of Trump.
dave rubin
So wait, was it in Florida?
I'm forgetting where.
michael j knowles
The RNC was all over the place.
dave rubin
Oh, so it wasn't, that wasn't physical either.
unidentified
Oh.
michael j knowles
It was all, except they made, there was a difference here.
The Republican convention came afterward and they learned from the Democrats.
The problem with the Democrat convention, it was so, it was so dull.
There was no surprises, right?
The Republican convention, was people giving live speeches to nobody.
And sometimes that was kind of hilarious.
You know, Kim Guilfoyle was a very energetic, you know, kind of got memed afterward.
But, you know, people were passionate and they were giving these live speeches, warts and all.
There were some really amazing highlights of it.
And the difference was that the Democratic convention was all vague.
It was all Trump's meanie and he's bad.
The Republican convention put up the victims of these riots.
You remember David Dorn, the black former police officer who was killed in the riots?
His widow gave an unbelievable speech, just totally.
The parents of Kayla Mueller, who was abducted and killed by ISIS, they gave a speech specific about Obama's policies, Obama-Biden's policies.
It was that specificity that really, really got you.
And then Trump's speech, which went on for 70 minutes, was all specifics.
It was, I did this, I did that, I did this, we're going to do this, we're going to do that.
After the convention, his approval among black voters, right?
We're talking about all this racial division in the riots.
How much do you think it changed?
Do you think it went up or down?
I've kind of given it away already.
dave rubin
Knowles, I've been out of the game for a little bit, but you did lead me there.
You know, I tweeted about a year ago That's an insane number.
Support was going in, and this is mid-August.
These are very recent numbers.
Support was 15%.
No one in their right mind would say that, but I put these things out there on Twitter.
That's what I do as a professional.
I'm going to guess that his support, tell me what the support was going in.
michael j knowles
Support was going in, and this is mid-August, so these are very recent numbers.
Support was 15%.
dave rubin
15%?
michael j knowles
15% approval.
dave rubin
Yeah, I'm guessing it could be around 30%.
michael j knowles
It hit 24 already.
And by the way, that's only factoring in the first two days.
That's not even factoring in the last day.
It was just an amazing surge.
Because you say, oh, 24, that's not that big.
That's a 60% jump.
If you go up that many points over 15, if you go up 9 points, that's a 60% jump.
dave rubin
Well, you know what it is? You can't bullshit people forever.
Because eventually the masses wake up.
The bullshitters aren't that good at bullshit.
I think that that's starting to become what is real.
So it's like, if your whole narrative is, America is evil, it was founded on racism, 1619 project, systemic racism, everything's evil, we're an oppressive state, the patriarch, all of these things, well then you'd go, alright, if all of those horrible things are true, I guess they had something to do with the time before Trump.
You know what I mean?
You can't suddenly blame it all on Trump.
So in a weird way, their own logic or their own nonsense, the nonsense that they were peddling about how evil we all are and how evil the system that has freed more people than any other country ever, the more they've peddled that nonsense, in a way, it actually is telling you that Trump isn't the horrible, evil thing.
Because it's like, oh, I guess Obama was pretty evil.
He was part of it.
And I guess Biden was part of it.
And that Nancy Pelosi, you haven't told me anything about Pelosi's.
michael j knowles
Pelosi, she's still ticking, as far as I can tell.
dave rubin
She's still eating her ice cream?
unidentified
Yeah.
dave rubin
But you know what I'm saying?
If your whole story is how horrible America is, which I suspect, and has always been, which is what I suspect most of the DNC, what the convention was, well in many ways you're actually saying, okay, well then Trump's not to blame for any of it.
He's just a new guy.
You may not like him, but he's a new guy who, by the way, at his last State of the Union was talking about all-time low black unemployment, and the Congressional Black Caucus sat there like this.
I thought that was a good thing, but what do I know?
michael j knowles
No, that's right.
If there is systemic oppression, if the system is rotten, You can't blame this guy, he's only been doing it for three years!
Well, you know, speaking of these specific people, I do want to get into a little, a little kind of political celeb news.
You got to be in on the gossip, a little bit of patience.
dave rubin
Yeah, yeah, give me something.
michael j knowles
What's going on?
dave rubin
Who got destroyed?
Someone must have been destroyed.
michael j knowles
People got destroyed.
People got destroyed.
I want you to tell me which one of these is not true, okay?
I'll just give you...
I'll give you four.
dave rubin
Okay.
And one is not true.
michael j knowles
One is not true.
dave rubin
Okay.
unidentified
Okay.
michael j knowles
Jerry Falwell has resigned because he was found out to be in a cuckold voyeur thruple with the pool boy.
That's the first one.
Kellyanne Conway has resigned from her post at the White House.
Candace Owens is pregnant.
Jake Paul's house was not raided by the FBI.
Which one of those?
dave rubin
Well, you're asking me, I got a double negative that one.
unidentified
Yes.
dave rubin
All right, so Jake Paul's house was not raided.
michael j knowles
Yes.
dave rubin
I feel like his house being raided is probably true.
I don't really know who he is.
Yeah, he's like a random.
He gets hit in the nuts or something on YouTube.
I'm not totally sure what he does.
Yeah.
But okay, so that he was not raided, I feel like maybe he was raided.
Candace, I'm good friends with Candace, but I haven't spoken to her in a month, but I'm gonna guess she could be pregnant.
So I'll take Candace as pregnant.
The Jerry Falwell cuckold thing is... I think that's a little beyond your imagination, so I'm going to say that that's true.
michael j knowles
You're going to say that the president of a major... I want to be very clear.
dave rubin
I love Liberty University.
michael j knowles
Yeah, I love Liberty.
dave rubin
I've met Jerry.
Nice guy from our interactions.
But that seems somewhat possible, I suppose.
Because I don't picture you coming up with that story.
michael j knowles
You don't know what's going on.
dave rubin
You're a good, wholesome guy.
So Falwell and Candace.
What was the other one?
michael j knowles
Kellyanne Conway is leaving the White House.
dave rubin
That just seems like too nothing for you to bring it up in this, so I'll accept that one as true.
michael j knowles
Okay.
dave rubin
So I guess Jake Paul not being rated?
michael j knowles
Those are all, I mean, you flip the knot, obviously.
unidentified
Yeah.
michael j knowles
All of those stories are true.
All of those.
Jake Paul's house was raided by the FBI, so that flip was true.
dave rubin
Okay, let's just put that one aside.
unidentified
Yes.
dave rubin
Okay, forget that one.
Kellyanne Conway stepped down.
michael j knowles
Kellyanne Conway is stepping down.
dave rubin
Is it a scandal, or did she just step down?
michael j knowles
It's a bit of a scandal.
It's not a scandal.
It's nothing she did.
It's that her daughter made all of these social media posts.
dave rubin
Oh, yeah, yeah.
I remember that.
michael j knowles
Trying to become emancipated, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
michael j knowles
And so, Kellyanne Conway and her husband, George Conway, are stepping down from their jobs.
Kellyanne, obviously, at the White House.
George Conway from the Lincoln Project.
If you can call that a job.
dave rubin
Those great people.
michael j knowles
Yeah, those great people.
So she is stepping down.
It's too bad.
It's a family issue.
I think, obviously, it's been heightened by the media scrutiny and just how awful they've been to that family.
But that's pretty normal.
You know, the Falwell thing, I almost didn't want to bring it up.
dave rubin
Yeah, can you say it one more time?
I just want to fully understand.
michael j knowles
I hate that it's a news story.
I actually feel very bad for Jerry Falwell here.
But this is a story.
His wife, Slept with the pool boy.
dave rubin
Okay.
michael j knowles
There's another allegation now from a Liberty student that his wife propositioned this Liberty student and they got a little frisky.
dave rubin
Okay.
michael j knowles
There is now an accusation from the pool boy that Jerry Falwell watched.
Now that we don't know, apparently this pool boy was extorting them.
There had been kind of rumblings of this for a little while.
So Jerry Falwell now has formally resigned from Liberty University.
dave rubin
Well, my reaction is just personally having been to Liberty University and spoke there at convocation.
I mean, it was an absolutely incredible moment and I don't think that just hearing you tell me that doesn't change any of the reality of what I saw there with the students and with the staff and the dean and everything else.
You know, are people into weird stuff?
michael j knowles
Yeah.
dave rubin
is the way the media operates to now try to destroy all of us for anything they can get any of us on.
And do all of us have things that we're not proud of or a past or a life before fixing ourselves
or any of those things, myself included?
Of course we all have things.
None of my things involve the pool boy, but you know what I mean?
Like, I mean, it all just feels gross.
It doesn't feel like something- This is the thing, you know?
It's like, you know what?
Hopefully he can work it out with his wife and he can make amends with whoever he has to make amends with and yeah.
I know, it's this thing where- I'm sure the media and the lefties- They've been so nice.
michael j knowles
They've respected their privacy.
They've said all falsehoods- Forgiveness, they're into forgiveness.
They're before the grace of God go I, you know, of course, yeah.
Not quite.
They had a field day.
They were so, so happy.
And it's so funny because it occurred to me The media are the ones, the left are the ones who say, do whatever you want, it's empowering.
There's a very popular song that you missed, we'll get into it in a little bit.
dave rubin
Is the Macarena back?
michael j knowles
It's a little racier than the Macarena.
dave rubin
Oh God.
michael j knowles
But they tell you, everything's all good, be sexually liberated, have sex with a zillion people, do whatever.
Until Jerry Falwell does it.
And then what do they say?
You're a hypocrite.
Because he sinned?
Is it hypocritical when Christians sin?
I don't think so.
dave rubin
Yeah.
michael j knowles
Right?
Christians say, okay, we sin.
Yeah, that's why we need forgiveness and everything.
So it's just been, it's been a sort of awful story.
I'm kind of glad he's going into the wilderness for a little bit and hopefully they lay off him.
dave rubin
You know, what's interesting is there were two, I'm going to blank on at least one of the guys' names, but there were two stories about Democratic, the donor, who was the guy, Buck?
michael j knowles
Oh yeah, Ed Buck.
dave rubin
Here in West Hollywood, who was giving homeless black guys meth and having sex with them.
He's been in pictures with Hillary and whatever.
The media completely ignored that one.
And killing them, right?
I'm not saying, oh right.
michael j knowles
He made overdose and killed a couple.
dave rubin
Someone died in his apartment, yeah.
But that story got totally buried because he's on the right side, right?
And then there was the story of the guy that, Andrew Gilliam, is that his name?
michael j knowles
The guy who lost-- - Yeah, Andrew Gilliam.
dave rubin
Andrew Gilliam, who lost, he was almost gonna be governor of Florida.
Yeah, he was that, yeah.
He got caught doing meth and having sex with a bunch of guys and whatever.
I don't begrudge him doing anything.
I'm not for legalizing meth, but I don't begrudge people for doing stuff and I don't begrudge people for having consensual relations.
But again, it's to your point of if that was a Republican or if that was a Christian, Then we know these things get blown up, but they're Democrats, so somehow they can get away with everything while also making sure that everyone else is destroyed for it.
That right there is the thing that we have to get past as a nation.
All the good people have to get past this thing where the double standards stay intact.
And I think the Trump just implicitly gets that.
michael j knowles
Yeah, I mean, there's also a perverse logic to it, by the way, which is, The Democrats have no standards anymore, right?
The left has no standards anymore.
And so the only thing to be judged on is hypocrisy.
But if you have any standards at all, then you say, okay, hypocrisy, that's a bad thing, but there are these other bad things too.
dave rubin
But everything else is good to go.
michael j knowles
Exactly.
Exactly.
dave rubin
Thank you.
michael j knowles
And, and...
dave rubin
It's about time.
michael j knowles
You know, I try, I get one every five years.
One every five years, I come up with one.
unidentified
That's a good one.
michael j knowles
So, the convention's okay, fine.
The convention's went well.
As they're leaving, though, so that one convention, the RNC, ends on the White House lawn,
because you're not allowed to do it anywhere else, right?
So, they do it on the White House lawn.
As people are leaving, they get mobbed.
They get absolutely... The people who are congressmen, senators, get mobbed by BLM and the Antifa.
To the point that Rand Paul at one point is grabbing a cop to help the cop, because the cop was being attacked, and Rand Paul jumps in.
Rand Paul... They try to kill Rand Paul every six months, and he somehow survives.
And so he's, you know, helping everybody out.
But these were very provocative situations.
The rioters, who were largely BLM, and there was one very shrill white woman targeted...
Congressman who lost his legs in Afghanistan and were like threatening him, and this guy's obviously dealt with the Taliban, he's not worried about these shrimps.
dave rubin
Right.
michael j knowles
But still, very provocative situation.
dave rubin
Wait, wait, so this is at the end of the convention, they're just trying to get to their cars?
michael j knowles
Just trying to get to their hotels, to their cars, yeah, they're leaving the White House gate.
dave rubin
And did people know that there were huge protests outside?
michael j knowles
They, you could hear them, you could hear them a little bit.
Oh, wow.
But that was the way out.
I mean, frankly, it was the biggest show of any of the conventions, watching this unfold in real time.
But one thing that was so amazing is, and you might have seen this before you left, there was this phrase that kept cropping up, say her name.
And they were talking about the killing of Breonna Taylor, which, by the way, this was presented to us as this woman was totally innocent, and she had no role in any of these crimes, and it was just a killing and a murder by the police.
Turns out that wasn't true.
Turns out leaked court documents are now saying that she was involved in these drug crimes, she was part of this enterprise, and so, as always, this is a much murkier situation than anyone thought.
They're screaming, say her name, at Rand Paul.
who authored a bill naming Breonna Taylor and trying to put an end to no-knock warrants.
But they didn't care.
No one knew that.
dave rubin
Okay, you're bad no matter what.
michael j knowles
It's not about saying anybody's name.
dave rubin
So were people hurt?
Were any public officials hurt?
michael j knowles
People were hassled about.
I mean, you know, they probably had to go buy a new suit or something like that.
Nobody was killed, fortunately.
dave rubin
Nobody was really... And how did New York Times and MSNBC and everybody else spin this one?
So... The white supremacists?
michael j knowles
The white supremacists are out there always... But you know what it is?
You know what they do?
They try to be fair and balanced.
unidentified
Yes.
michael j knowles
When BLM and Antifa and the left go and just unilaterally attack conservatives, they like to say that, you know, conservatives and leftists clashed.
It was a clash.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
michael j knowles
It was a clash, you know.
dave rubin
50-50.
michael j knowles
Yeah, there were very fine people on both sides, I guess is what they're really saying.
Yeah.
So that was the end of the RNC.
This ties in with the VP pick.
unidentified
Yeah.
michael j knowles
How are the poll numbers looking?
When you left, how were the poll numbers looking?
dave rubin
The poll numbers for Biden?
michael j knowles
For Biden, for Trump?
dave rubin
Yeah, I think Biden was usually up by like seven or nine points or something like that.
unidentified
Yeah.
dave rubin
But wait, before we just fully go on that, was at the DNC, oh, it was all virtual, so there was no place for people to destroy things?
michael j knowles
No.
dave rubin
So that was a really clever move by them because their own base, that's what people don't understand.
The base wants to destroy the party.
And then these pathetic people like Joe Biden are trying to just hold together the house that has already been ransacked.
michael j knowles
Right.
dave rubin
So they're smart, actually, to have not done a convention, A, because he probably shouldn't be out there in front of people, but B, because their own base would have burned the freaking thing down.
And how would the media have then spun that?
You know what I mean?
Like the BLM, progressive, Marxist, blah, blah, Yeah.
Yeah.
They hate Biden, they hate Kamala, they hate Hillary, they hate anyone that could be thought of,
they hate Pelosi, you know, they like AOC and I guess Ilhan and they like...
The squad.
Right, the squad.
They like that and that thing will destroy itself as we talked about before,
but it was a pretty shrewd move then to do it all virtually.
michael j knowles
You know, your month away actually gave you a perspective that I did not consider.
Because it seemed to me, you know, there had been rumblings, okay, we're going to do it virtually, we're going to do it online, but you still didn't know, is it going to be in Charlotte, is it going to be in Jacksonville, is it going to be in Milwaukee?
I had just assumed, because the left has been so aggressive against the conservatives, that shutting down the conventions was about shutting down the Republican convention.
dave rubin
No, it's to keep your own base that you've ginned up into hating America and wanting to destroy everything.
And I mean, what did freaking, what's his name?
Uh, Buttigieg, the most vanilla nothing.
What was he saying about Bernie?
You're going to burn down the whole system.
That's what you want to do.
Remember that last debate before Super Tuesday?
You're going to burn down the whole thing.
So they all knew.
I mean, that's the thing.
They're all playing with fire.
And now they've brought in a fire captain with dementia.
This is a problem, people.
But nothing they do can stop it.
I've had a pretty good track record these last couple of years on picking these things.
Nothing they do This thing is going to destroy the entire party and every sane liberal along with it, and it just is.
michael j knowles
Because they were talking about, the Democratic activists, were talking about 1968 all over again.
We're going to burn this thing down, right?
So they shut it down.
There's no convention, no real convention, you know, in person.
Republicans a little bit at the White House.
So is there going to be voting?
Are you going to get to go to a ballot box on November 3rd?
dave rubin
Oh, God, so now we're really talking about that?
I mean, right before I went off, the big thing was mail-in ballots, which I think is the idea that with a pandemic and with a race riot and general state of chaos and nobody believing anything, the idea that we'd suddenly alter significantly our voting system That seems, as the kids say, problematic to me.
That seems like you don't add in another crazy element.
Unless the whole freaking game, whatever we're talking about here, is designed to just make everyone crazy all the time.
And I think that might just be possible.
michael j knowles
And maybe it is.
But wait, the polls now.
dave rubin
Oh yes, the polls, I should mention this.
michael j knowles
I think it was around 7 to 9.
dave rubin
It was 7 to 9 points in favor of Biden.
michael j knowles
So that has shrunk, but Biden is still leading nationally.
The key here is that in the swing states, the gap has shrunk in some cases statistically to nothing.
One case is Minnesota.
Now Minnesota, you'll recall, blue state.
dave rubin
That's a wonderful haven of peacefulness.
michael j knowles
It's a very peaceful haven of fire.
Oh, the new one, by the way.
So when you left, it was mostly peaceful protesters.
Now they can't hide the fact that the whole country's on fire, so they say, fiery, but mostly peaceful protests.
Fiery, but mostly peaceful.
dave rubin
Man, for anyone that didn't watch our 1984 on PragerU, the book club video, they really should watch that because this is what they do with language.
michael j knowles
Basically us reading the newspaper.
unidentified
Yeah.
michael j knowles
Even though we're reading 1984 by George Orwell.
dave rubin
Yeah.
michael j knowles
So, in Minnesota, very peaceful.
The polls have shrunk such that Trump and Biden are basically in a dead heat.
Ronald Reagan won 49 states in 1984.
He didn't win Minnesota.
Minnesota is a stubborn state, and now they're running even.
And where's the next riot?
In Wisconsin.
So it creates this problem, doesn't it?
That the riots, which have clearly been encouraged by the Democratic Party, and you've got videos of Ayanna Pressley, of Hillary Clinton, of Nancy Pelosi, all these people saying, Yeah, go out, burn it down.
Maxine Waters, mob people, get in the streets.
Chris Cuomo, protests don't have to be peaceful.
Well, they've encouraged it.
But now, wherever the protests, the riots are happening...
Trump's numbers are doing great, and Biden's numbers are going down.
dave rubin
This is the fatal flaw of what they're doing.
By playing with fire, literally, the average person, the average person who's not purely political, the average person that just has a job and wants to raise kids and have a house and that's it and, you know, play video games or whatever the hell it is they do with their free time, If their choice is, oh, we can either burn the whole thing down, literally, we will watch our stores burn down, we will watch the economy collapse, we will watch the whole system just crumble in front of us.
Or, orange man who's a little weird with the hair and he talks kind of funny on the Twitter, They're going to all choose that.
It's just so obvious.
Now, I'm not saying that's really what the choice is, but if that's what we're being given, if that's what the funnel has, you know, the funnel of ideas or whatever you want to say has just like left us with these choices, one or the other, I think you're probably, I will say it right now, I think we could be looking at a Reagan re-election situation.
michael j knowles
We actually could, and it's this odd thing where you have to ask yourself, and maybe you have insight, because you're at least a former Democrat, or I guess still a registered Democrat.
Why would the Democrats encourage these riots that are going to kill their poll numbers?
dave rubin
Because the new Democrats, the progressives, people can't understand.
I was in it so I know what it is.
That's why I was able to do whatever it is that I've done over these last couple of years.
They don't believe any of this is good.
that is the fundamental truth.
Now, I think Biden thinks that this is fundamentally good, but he's lost at this point.
Like he's just the old vestige trying to hold the thing together.
michael j knowles
I mean, he's like physically lost.
No, he's still, yeah.
dave rubin
Which is sad, by the way.
You know what I mean?
Like even we can make all the jokes we want about that, but it's actually sad that someone on
what clearly are the beginnings of dementia or some other cognitive decline
has been thrust into this position and whether he even knows it or not or is being used.
But I was saying months ago that if you're a Biden supporter, you have to know you're voting for the vice president.
You're not voting for Joe Biden, obviously.
But they have unearthed something here that, man, it's It's bad.
It's really bad.
michael j knowles
So they're encouraging nationwide mail-in.
That's the big scam.
dave rubin
Seems like that would be the easiest way to manipulate votes, doesn't it?
If you were going to do it, manipulate votes, super easy, what would be the best way to do it?
michael j knowles
Are you saying that just because in California, when I get my ballot, it actually has my political party listed on the ballot?
Are you saying just because you can go harvest votes from senior citizen homes?
Are you saying just because there was major mail voter fraud in New Jersey that we saw just a number of weeks ago?
You saying they might steal the election that way?
dave rubin
Knowles, as you know, I just moved and several times in the last year I took videos and I posted screen captures of people literally stealing mail out of my mailbox.
michael j knowles
Yeah.
dave rubin
I'm not saying they were harvesting ballots.
I don't know what they were doing.
I don't know if they were just kids trying to find credit cards.
Who the hell knows what they were?
But the point is, like, if you want to make the system even more weak or have even more people not trust the system, then you would alter the system right before an election.
unidentified
Ugh!
michael j knowles
So, you want to hear the craziest part of that?
dave rubin
We got a lot of work to do.
michael j knowles
We got a lot of work to do.
And here's the trouble, though.
There was a local news station that did an experiment to see how the mail-in ballots worked.
dave rubin
Oh, I saw that.
Yeah, yeah, that was right before.
michael j knowles
It was great, right?
And what's the result of it?
They mail them in, they get two birthday cards, so I don't know.
They lost three out of 100 ballots.
unidentified
Yeah.
michael j knowles
That throws an election.
3% throws an election, right?
So you go into that already, you got 80 to 100 million voters expected to vote by mail.
This is going to be a big problem.
You're not going to know the results on election night.
That's guaranteed, right?
People are going to blow past the deadlines.
It's going to take too long.
So already you've got this constitutional crisis.
This is what's so perverse about it though.
The Democrats, who pushed for this insane, corrupt mail-in thing, are now accusing President Trump of trying to steal the election.
How?
Through the mail.
Through the mail, because they saw that there was a mailbox that had been moved in Burbank, California.
I'm not joking.
They looked at Burbank, California.
dave rubin
You know, that is huge.
Trump's Ikea is in Burbank.
I can maybe piece this thing together.
michael j knowles
That's true.
You're right.
Yeah, they they actually will take that photograph and say, well, because a mailbox was closed in Burbank, Trump is trying to steal the election through the vulnerable mechanism that we have been foisting on the country.
dave rubin
You know what it feels like to me?
Reality is now on trial.
That's basically where we're at.
That's where we're at, is that reality is on trial.
When we were driving over here today, David was saying to me, you know, you're going to sit down with Knowles and get all this, like, how do you feel about all this?
And I was kind of like, not nervous, I don't get nervous for any of these things, but like, I had this vision that we would be in this position
where you would say like a whole bunch of things to me.
And then it would all be like, well, okay, we're all just gonna view the world
very differently than each other.
You'll find some people in your world who will view the world in a similar way.
And hopefully you'll be able to strengthen bonds with them and maybe build community with them and all of those things.
But then there's gonna be this whole other side and this goes for both sides, right?
There'll be like this whole other community that will just believe completely reverse things.
michael j knowles
Yeah.
dave rubin
And that's why reality is on trial.
It's like, how do we do something now?
Jordan used to talk about this all the time when we were on tour, that you want a healthy left and right.
You want conservatism fighting for the old traditions that are good versus liberals that are going to push new ideas forward.
You don't want the thing to snap.
And then just go one way or the other.
You don't.
Even a hardcore conservative does, I think, in their truest sense, probably doesn't want purely that.
Yeah, I would allow in my perfect country.
michael j knowles
You know, I would allow.
I'd have obviously 99% conservatives and maybe one libertarian.
You know, yeah, that'd be fine.
dave rubin
You'd like one guy to be able to smoke pot on his doorstep.
michael j knowles
That'd be kind of fun to have every so often.
dave rubin
But man, we are in a reality war.
I think that's what, you know, we call it the culture war, but I think it's starting to become the reality war.
That seems to me where we're at.
michael j knowles
And the issue that you have, I don't know if the first one of these happened before you went off the grid, but you had an image of an MSNBC reporter standing in front of a burning... Oh, Ali Velshi!
Yes.
dave rubin
Ali Velshi standing in front of the thing.
There's nothing to see here.
It's mostly peaceful.
Dude, there's a building exploding.
michael j knowles
On fire.
We got another one on CNN about a week ago.
We got another one.
It was the same thing.
It was like you could have just swapped the reporters.
It was the exact same thing.
Same story.
dave rubin
But do you see why they can't stop?
Yeah.
They can't stop because they're in so deep that to stop, to stop that wheel that we were talking
about before, they would have to, they'd have to commit Harry Carrey. You know what I mean?
They'd have to just impale themselves on their own swords.
That would be the only way. They would have to say, yes, we have been bullshit artists, epic
bullshit artists.
michael j knowles
For decades.
dave rubin
Speaking of bullshit artists, like is the New York Times still a newspaper or did that thing wrap up?
It was crumbling.
michael j knowles
I don't think it's been a newspaper.
dave rubin
They had announced they weren't going to do news anymore or they were going to run it by like a seventh grader.
So yeah, the trans seventh grader was going to be able to correct things, something like that.
michael j knowles
All of the editors of the New York Times now have to be trans seventh graders and you have to trans all of the kids.
Well actually, so the New York Times is still Whatever it is.
I'm not gonna say it's a newspaper, but it's still whatever it is.
But on the school front, there is some really weird stuff going on.
So... Oh, right.
dave rubin
Are schools opening?
Like, what's going on there?
Do we have schools anymore?
michael j knowles
So, let's look at New York.
Obviously, giant school system.
dave rubin
I come from the New York public education system.
michael j knowles
As do I, as a matter of fact.
unidentified
That's right.
michael j knowles
So, New York has no plan to reopen restaurants.
No plan.
They said maybe June of next year.
They just don't know.
They're just shooting from the hip.
However, schools are going to be back in session.
Just today, it was delayed.
So now they're gonna push it.
It was supposed to already start.
dave rubin
Wait, so schools are not starting in New York next, well, I guess it would be today.
michael j knowles
It would be today.
And they have delayed it, but they didn't.
They got a lot of flack for saying the schools have to reopen.
And no one understood why are the schools, it made perfect sense to me.
You still want to indoctrinate the kids.
You've still got a place to warehouse kids.
dave rubin
You've got to push the indoctrination at all costs.
michael j knowles
You know, it got so weird that in, outside of New York, you go to Durham, North Carolina.
The Durham public school system has half a dozen schools.
They are, they closed their schools.
Schools are not reopening.
dave rubin
Okay.
michael j knowles
So instead what they're doing, it's all online learning.
But they are operating six learning centers.
And the learning centers are going to allow kids to come in and, you know, with their laptops and do the online learning.
Do you know where the learning centers are?
The learning centers.
dave rubin
At prison?
What?
No, well... County prison?
michael j knowles
Sort of.
The learning centers are in the schools, which are closed.
No, but it gets better, Dave.
It gets better.
dave rubin
Wait, wait, wait.
michael j knowles
I know it's hard.
dave rubin
Because I'm just getting back on the grid, so maybe my English isn't great.
michael j knowles
Maybe.
dave rubin
What you're telling me is Durham has closed the schools.
michael j knowles
Totally closed.
dave rubin
Then they've announced that these centers will open where the kids can come with their laptops.
michael j knowles
To do remote learning.
dave rubin
To do remote learning.
And that is at the schools that are closed.
michael j knowles
That's correct.
Yeah.
Makes sense, doesn't it?
But actually, what you're probably saying is, though, The only way that would work is if the school district charged the parents more money to come use the schools which are closed to do the online learning from the schools that you can't go to, right?
That would... That would make sense.
So, in order to use the remote learning centers at the schools, parents have to pay $140 a week plus a $35 registration fee.
Unless you're a bureaucrat who works for the government, in which case you get a discount.
unidentified
What's the Daily Wire policy on that, Ford?
michael j knowles
Oh, it's your show, my friend.
We are at your show.
dave rubin
That is fucking bananas.
michael j knowles
It's insane.
dave rubin
But again, do you see what I'm saying?
That there is nothing too stupid for this movement.
There is nothing too insane for this movement.
It will eat away and rot out whatever institution allows this stupidity in, it will destroy it.
michael j knowles
Yeah.
dave rubin
And that is what it sounds like is happening in Durham, North Carolina.
michael j knowles
Speaking... But wait a minute.
Yeah.
dave rubin
Why would they need more money to do that?
I assume everyone's still paying taxes?
They didn't give tax rebates to the people.
michael j knowles
They're all still paying taxes.
dave rubin
So you're paying the exact amount of taxes that you always paid for the public schools.
The public schools are then closed, but then less people will be there.
michael j knowles
Correct.
dave rubin
So you'd think you would be able to save a little money.
michael j knowles
Yeah.
dave rubin
Here's the way to make sense of it.
So now, so in effect, only people with money will be able to send their kids to those schools.
But I thought they're also against school choice.
And they're also...
Oh, my brain is exploding.
michael j knowles
Here's the way to make sense of it.
Has a government agency ever said, "Give me money"?
No, that's never happened.
Has that ever happened in the history of humanity?
dave rubin
No, they run, literally, I mean people don't believe this, but most government agencies
run on a thing where they have to hit their budget, otherwise their budget gets cut.
Nobody could run a business like that.
I can't run my business like that, where I'm like, I have to spend every freaking cent
that I have, otherwise I'm not going to magically get, well because I'm not given money, I have
to earn money.
So what I do is I save a certain amount in my business each year so we can continue to grow.
Or we might have some problems and then we can figure out.
michael j knowles
That's completely foreign.
That's completely foreign to a government agent.
dave rubin
I'm an economic genius over here.
michael j knowles
I know you are.
And you know actually, speaking of kind of naughty words going blue, I have to read you, there is a song.
That is... I'll just pull up the lyrics right now.
dave rubin
I thought you were going to bust out your glasses like a crazy man.
michael j knowles
Excuse me, sir!
Now that we're going blue.
dave rubin
So there's a new song that's taken over the world.
michael j knowles
And when I say taken over the world, I mean like this is the story.
This is like the story.
So I don't even know, you know, I don't go blue on my show.
dave rubin
No, no, you're a respectable guy.
michael j knowles
I'm very clean cut.
I don't wear socks in my loafers.
You know, I try to be... I can't say the name of this song without going blue.
dave rubin
Would it be better, and you're hosting right now, so I want you to do what you think is right, would it be better if I just read it straight out?
michael j knowles
I would feel much better if you... So the song is called WAP.
dave rubin
Okay.
michael j knowles
WAP, okay?
dave rubin
WAP, W-A-P?
michael j knowles
Yeah, W-A-P.
dave rubin
Okay.
michael j knowles
It's by Cardi B. And this song, I mean, this is like now the anthem, the feminist anthem.
dave rubin
Right, and Cardi B, I'm not totally sure who she is, but I know she was like fighting with people right before I went on stage or something.
michael j knowles
Yes, she supported Bernie Sanders.
dave rubin
Oh, right, right, right.
She's got long nails, I think.
michael j knowles
And I think that's racist for you to say that, but yes, she does have long nails.
dave rubin
So this song's just taken over.
michael j knowles
Everyone's taken over.
dave rubin
So I guess I'll just read a little.
Whores in this house.
There's some whores in this house.
Hole up.
I said certified freak, seven days a week.
Wet ass pussy, make that pull out game weak.
That's good.
And then the chorus.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, you fucking with some sweet ass pussy.
Bring a bucket and mop for this pussy.
Mop for this?
Oh, bring a bucket and mop for this wet pussy.
You gotta mop up.
Give me everything you got for this wet ass pussy.
I'm gonna not do the next paragraph because that's where they'll come for me.
Yeah, this is the... So... So, where does she get her mop?
michael j knowles
Yeah, you can't... That's got some words that you're not allowed, you know?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dave rubin
So that song... I mean, she's making a point.
It's not... She's making?
It's not without merit.
michael j knowles
No, it's not.
It actually... The song actually does have a point.
The thesis of the song is that all women are prostitutes.
That's actually the thesis.
She says, yeah, I got my man by... And she describes sexual acts that I know, look, we're young, hip millennials, okay, we've done all sorts... Like, that you've never thought of.
I mean, in this kind of... It's... I didn't know that pornography... Having a slop bucket when you're...
Just that image?
I didn't know that audio could be pornographic.
I thought pornography is only visual.
dave rubin
So she's saying that these things are good, like this is how you attain power, in essence?
michael j knowles
It's not, yes.
She's not condemning it.
dave rubin
It's so the reverse, actually, of what at least first-wave feminism was all about.
michael j knowles
It's funny because it's such a ridiculous song, but it is a commentary on our- Oh, that WAP!
WAP, I see.
And then it hits you.
It took me like a day to- I thought, oh!
As I'm pondering this deep song of great significance.
But that's it.
So to say that calling women prostitutes and having them sell themselves is empowering, is obviously a complete reversal of reality.
Like you say, reality's on trial.
It's emblematic to me of everything that's going on.
Another example, do you know Bella Thorne?
Have you ever heard of Bella Thorne?
She's some movie star, she was a TV star, something like that.
dave rubin
Okay, what was she in?
michael j knowles
She, I don't know, some like, it wasn't Gone with the Wind, I'll tell you that.
It wasn't The Godfather.
dave rubin
Okay.
michael j knowles
Bella Thorne goes on OnlyFans.com.
OnlyFans.com is this way to democratize porn.
Anyone can go on it.
And she does it and she sells nude photos.
Some hacker hacks into her stuff, takes the nude photo.
She says, well, I'm going to just sell it.
$200 a pop.
$200 a pop for a nude photo on the internet.
That's outrageous.
She makes a million bucks in the first day, two million bucks within the week.
But I guess the photos were not sufficiently nude.
So then the customers were demanding a refund from OnlyFans, it became a big issue.
So then OnlyFans.com... So they don't know what they're buying?
No, they don't know, they knew it was a nude photo, but now it's all blurry or something.
And so they get the photos, they demand a refund.
dave rubin
They didn't see the WAP?
michael j knowles
They didn't...
They didn't get the WAP.
Cardi B would be very dismayed.
And so now OnlyFans is in the whole problem.
They make a cap.
It's only $50 now per nude photo.
And now the prostitutes on OnlyFans are very upset because they previously were able to get a lot of money for their photos.
dave rubin
And they'll show the WAP.
michael j knowles
Because they'll show the WAP and they figure I'll get $300 for it.
I don't know what they charge.
Bella Thorne issues an apology to the pornographers and the prostitutes because she drove down their business.
And it just occurred to me, every single person in this situation did the wrong thing.
dave rubin
Isn't that a beautiful thing?
When everyone can screw up something so perfectly, it's actually kind of miraculous.
So she, because she didn't show in effect the WAP, apologizes to the people who show the WAP, OnlyFans drops the price, the cap, So that basically she can't blow those guys out of the water, so to speak.
michael j knowles
As it were.
And now... Well, this is... I think we're mixing metaphors, but they are creating a lot of images, yes.
And lest you think that a movie star, who's already a millionaire, going on and trying to make another quick couple million by becoming a pornographic actress, lest you think the WAP, lest you think all of that is the bottom of our sexual decay, What's the last sexual taboo in the world, at least in our country?
What's the last taboo?
dave rubin
You shouldn't bang a goat.
michael j knowles
Are you sure?
How dare you?
dave rubin
Yeah.
michael j knowles
How dare you judge?
dave rubin
I don't want to.
I'm not holier than thou.
Don't bang a goat.
unidentified
Look at me.
michael j knowles
I'm no Bible thumper, but I would seem to me.
I mean, maybe the goat thing is still a little taboo.
The last thing is kids.
dave rubin
Yeah.
michael j knowles
Kids is like you can't even the most insane leftists.
Again, I would think even the most insane leftists say, kids are off limits.
unidentified
Wherever this is going, wherever we're going right now.
michael j knowles
Netflix.
I'm not talking about some crazy website in the depths of the internet.
I'm not, I'm not talking about Jeffrey Epstein's plane.
Netflix posts a movie.
It's called Cuties.
And the picture, the poster is of 11 year olds, preteens, twerking.
And here's the description.
Amy, 11, becomes fascinated with a twerking dance crew.
Hoping to join them, she starts to explore her femininity, defying her family's traditions.
dave rubin
I'm guessing her family's a Christian family?
michael j knowles
Muslim.
unidentified
Muslim.
dave rubin
That's interesting.
michael j knowles
Muslim, which is kind of interesting.
It's a French movie.
Ah, okay.
Because there are no Christians left in France.
The only religious people are the Muslims.
dave rubin
Yeah, that would not have come out of America.
michael j knowles
You know, the positive thing here is there was blowback.
They said, you know, twerking 11-year-olds is a little too far.
But the fact that that could make it onto Netflix with that poster, with that description, how did we get here?
It's not even goats.
If you had told me the goat thing, I'd say, oh, that's wholesome now compared to cuties.
dave rubin
And I'm pretty sure, didn't Rob Schneider bang a goat in an Adam Sandler movie?
michael j knowles
That would make sense.
dave rubin
Hopefully.
unidentified
I hope it was in a movie.
dave rubin
I think it was in a movie.
unidentified
Yeah, let's see.
michael j knowles
I forget if it was a movie.
It's Hollywood parties.
dave rubin
I saw them in Bel Air.
I don't remember.
Yeah, I mean, nothing surprises me.
That's what I'm saying when I say there's a war on reality.
It's almost like we're getting We're sort of in a Boy Who Cried Wolf, but it's more perverse than that, because it's almost like we need more shock value every day to keep us going.
And again, that gets back to that rat race thing.
We've dumbed this all down and we've made it all so crazy that...
I was reading, you know, one of the things that I read over the last month, I read Common Sense by Thomas Paine and a bunch of his other writings.
And it's like, I was in the middle of one of the paragraphs, I stopped and I was like, my God, if a politician spoke like this.
michael j knowles
Yeah.
dave rubin
Three sentences in a row like this, we'd be like, he must be insane.
There's an insane person here because he was actually trying to talk about honest things.
Common Sense.
michael j knowles
Right.
dave rubin
It's right in the title.
unidentified
Right.
dave rubin
Common Sense.
michael j knowles
I just get, I mean, I'm with you in that nothing surprises me anymore.
dave rubin
Yeah.
michael j knowles
You know, if I found, as you say, if I found out coronavirus doesn't even exist, I'd say like, huh, okay, yeah, I guess so, whatever.
But it just seemed to me like kids, you know, that I, you'd think that's off limits, but when you see the kind of craziness with shutting down the schools, shutting down, you know, the, the, all of these kind of drag nine-year-olds and whatever, all these kinds of things, it has been building such that there are no more taboos, but the way you put it is so right, which is, You're in that hamster wheel, you gotta get a little more, you gotta go a little faster, you've gotta get more insanity.
dave rubin
Yeah, well, it's like, when I say it's a reality war, it's like a thought war, sort of.
So it's like, I was even, I tweeted out that we're doing this right now, but I haven't looked at Twitter yet.
I haven't looked at my feed, obviously, and I haven't looked at my mentions.
But if you think about what Twitter is, which drives so much of this, this thing that we're talking about, Twitter is just people having thoughts all day long, and the second they have Thought, thought, thought, thought, thought.
And you're banging these thoughts all around all day long.
And someone across the world who you've never heard of could have a thought that has no value in any way, but could somehow trigger you into launching an attack on them.
And then next thing you know, there's a problem at the embassy.
And you're like, we're in a, it is the Matrix.
We're in it now, man.
We're there.
michael j knowles
It is so fast.
And, I mean, do you, I kind of was at least hoping on this, everything's moving too quickly, that the lockdowns would slow things down a little bit.
dave rubin
No, but it's exacerbated.
michael j knowles
It's exacerbated.
dave rubin
Because we already had a, we had a problem with big tech, we had a problem with information, we had a problem with truth.
And then what did we do?
We said, oh, the vehicles that you get all this information, they're going to become exponentially more important to you, meaning you don't go to a bar anymore to meet a stranger to talk about things.
michael j knowles
Yeah.
dave rubin
You only will do it online.
And then, we haven't even talked about this at all, but I assume nobody's censoring anyone on the internet anymore?
Oh, no.
michael j knowles
Not at all.
No, that's over.
They said we'll give you a win.
dave rubin
You did tell me earlier that you can't say certain things on Twitter.
michael j knowles
I'll give you a great example of one.
I mean, a lot of it's COVID-related.
I mean, I've had my show taken down.
Parts of it have been taken down.
No, you're a very dangerous guy.
I'm a dangerous guy.
I'm very intimidating, as you can tell.
dave rubin
You're a pussy bucket and whatever else you've got over there.
michael j knowles
I'm carrying my mop.
I'm going to get you.
So, there was a study that just came out of Revolver just yesterday, actually.
So, you just missed this.
dave rubin
Breaking news.
michael j knowles
This is breaking news.
dave rubin
Yeah.
michael j knowles
It was an academic study that ascertained how many lives were saved by the lockdown and how many lives were cost by the lockdown.
And the way they measured it was human life years.
So, a year of human life for anybody, right?
It could be for, you know, for grandma or for the kid or whoever.
So, the good news is that The lockdown saved a quarter to three quarters of a million human life years.
The bad news is the lockdown itself caused ten times as much in terms of human life years.
dave rubin
Meaning because people are drinking more?
michael j knowles
Drinking, drug overdoses, suicide, all these sorts of things.
The lockdown, according to this study, academic study, is ten times deadlier than the virus.
I think you and I were floating that idea two months ago.
dave rubin
Yeah, well, you know, that crazy guy who works in this building, that Shapiro guy, what did he trend on Twitter for a little bit before I went off?
When he said what we all know to be true, which is what actuaries do every day by, you know, guarding risk versus reward, in essence, that we are going, as a society, we are going to have to decide what amount of people being sick or what amount of people dying is acceptable.
We don't want it.
Yeah, yeah.
But it's the simple truth to what is acceptable for us to then continue with human society
as it has always continued.
michael j knowles
It's a question of risk, right?
dave rubin
It's just risk, that's all it is.
He wasn't, he actually mentioned it on my show.
I was doing a live stream with him and that's--
He always gets people on Twitter.
It was the number one trend on Twitter that day.
But all these people were saying, Shapiro wants all these people to die and he's gonna kill grandma and all this stuff.
And it's like, no, that's just what insurance companies do.
You know, you pay a certain amount in and their hope is that you're gonna pay more in than you're gonna take out if you get really sick.
I mean, these are just obvious realities.
But now even to say those obvious realities, we can't say those realities.
Because if you even say that, they'll say you want to kill grandma, even though we all We all know it's true.
michael j knowles
Well, you have to have some risk in society, right?
What are we going to do next flu season?
dave rubin
Right.
michael j knowles
Flu season's coming up, right?
What are we going to do then?
dave rubin
You remember... Why aren't we all on the streets going crazy?
I mean, that, when I tell you that... The streets are already full.
michael j knowles
The other guy's going crazy.
dave rubin
We are in the streets going crazy but I guess for something else.
But like this idea that just because I moved I was walking around the neighborhood and there's some nice restaurants that are there that I had never seen before and I'm looking and they're all closed and it's like That we've taken away, it's not just that you can't go to a restaurant, it's that somebody started that restaurant.
There was a little Italian trattoria by me and I walked by, it looked so nice inside, like had a little bar that you'd go to just have a glass of wine and and uh like just some fun old Italian posters and things and I was like this is the type of place I would love to walk to and and be fun and it's like somebody built that place.
michael j knowles
Yeah.
dave rubin
That was somebody's life, that was somebody's livelihood, probably their family, all those things.
We've just ripped that away from people.
And I'm not saying, again, that I'm not saying it's a hoax, but the cost on the other side is like, why are we afraid to talk about that?
Why are we afraid to push back and say, sorry, Gavin Newsom or whoever, or Andrew Cuomo or whoever, you don't get to decide whether I'm going to have a life that has purpose or not.
Yeah, well- Yet we seem to be.
michael j knowles
And speaking of Cuomo, so Cuomo implemented, I actually don't know, I don't know if he implemented it before you left, but he certainly maintained it, which is the quarantine.
dave rubin
Oh, I was gonna say, remember when he did the thing, which was right before I went off, where you could be at a bar, but then certain, but wings don't count as food, because you have to order food at a bar, and then people started ordering wings to get away with it.
Yeah, but wings, that's not- And then he decided wings isn't a meal.
Wings are a meal.
michael j knowles
Wings are totally a meal.
dave rubin
Wings are a meal, of course they're a meal.
michael j knowles
I've got to eat zucchini sticks or something?
It's like Michelle Obama over here.
dave rubin
But like they say, even that type of thing.
It's like a politician announces that wings aren't a meal.
Literally.
We're not making this up.
He literally said that buffalo wings are not a meal.
And we just accept that, okay, now I can't go to a bar and have wings because they can't put a sandwich as a meal or something.
And it's like, what does that have to do with you being governor?
What are you governing over?
michael j knowles
Well, this issue of, Cuomo said from the beginning, we're gonna follow the science, we're gonna follow the data and the science.
And so as a result of this, he said that if you traveled in to New York from terrible places like California, you'd have to quarantine for two weeks.
dave rubin
So if we were to go to New York- If we were to go to New York, we'd have to quarantine.
michael j knowles
Obviously no one is doing this, but they are handing out fines if you violate it.
dave rubin
Are they really?
unidentified
Yeah.
michael j knowles
So that's- So that's insane.
dave rubin
That's China level stuff.
michael j knowles
And it's just a cash grab and a power grab.
So they, and then the CDC, which is our public health administration governing body.
They take away this guideline.
They say, okay, it is no longer advised that you need to have this quarantine.
So Cuomo takes away the quarantine, right?
Uh, no, I don't think so.
He says, absolutely not.
I'm going to defer to the science.
He said, well, hold on the CDC.
They're the, aren't they the scientists?
And you're just this like bulldog faced governor of New York.
And he says, no, that science has been politicized.
So now the left is complaining about politicized science.
dave rubin
Nothing is true.
Nothing matters, no matter what.
This is one of the things, this is where we've talked about this many times.
What my frustrations are with my last remaining liberal friends is they seem to think that there will be some point that it will get so nutty with the left that at some point logic and reason will be forced to be accepted.
But that is the reverse of how this thing will work.
Every time they're proven wrong about something, they double down on it more because it proves to them that the system is evil.
You understand, like, for example, so Trump became president.
Trump in a sane world would probably not be president, but you would think that the lefties would have been like, man, maybe we really did screw some things up.
michael j knowles
Maybe we should think about ourselves.
dave rubin
Right, and think about, and that's, by the way, I was doing a million videos about that because I considered myself a lefty at the time and going, guys, we should rethink this as lefties.
What are we doing?
And return to the roots of liberalism.
But what I found was, all they wanted to do, it was proof That they were right.
The loss was proof that they were right.
So everything forces them to double down into their own bullshit, or crapulence, as Mr. Burns might say.
Everything is a proof, a further proof of their theory, as opposed to, oh, what would a rational person do, or a businessman do, or someone that has to be functional in society?
You keep doing things that screw up, you might go, oh, maybe I am doing something wrong, but they actually operate on the reverse thesis.
This is a problem.
michael j knowles
And this is also, it gets to what Andy Cuomo means by science.
dave rubin
I like that you call him Andy.
michael j knowles
Anyone else call him Andy?
We New Yorkers, you know, I've met Andrew Cuomo on two occasions.
I was once his waiter, and on the other time he caught me outside smoking a cigar and drinking a beer during Hurricane Sandy.
It's a true story.
dave rubin
He caught you?
michael j knowles
He personally caught me.
dave rubin
And what did he do?
michael j knowles
He yelled out as my drunken friends, who had been drinking beers while the storm raged, we went outside, had a cigar, said, I need a cigar.
It's a hurricane.
We go outside and Andrew Cuomo, we call him Andy, his friends, we hear, what the hell are you kids doing?
And we say, "Oh, we're out for a walk."
He goes, "Not a good night for that."
And we turn around and it's Andy Cuomo with two cops, one cop on either side.
And it was like getting caught by a teacher.
Because you're like, "Ah, shit. I don't think this is legal.
We're not supposed to be doing this."
And luckily he had other things to tend to, so he didn't arrest us or anything like that.
dave rubin
He didn't throw you in the slammer.
michael j knowles
He didn't throw us in the slammer.
But Cuomo actually makes a little bit of sense when he says, I'm following the science.
Because what the left means by science is not looking under a microscope and discovering stuff about viruses.
What they mean is the same thing Karl Marx meant, Hegel, and all these kind of thinkers that have come in their wake.
Woodrow Wilson, which is the science of history.
It's like Obama.
He talks about the right side of history, right?
They believe that they have found scientific precision in history.
They know the end of history.
And so whatever they want to do is the scientific thing to do.
And whenever they lose an election, by the way, it is by definition illegitimate because they're not supposed to lose elections.
dave rubin
I mean, what did people think was going to happen when a bunch of us were like, hey, you know, if you have a penis, you're a male.
And they said you're a bigot or I don't know what the hell they said.
But they were all making it sound like, oh, it's just a bunch of us crazy people on YouTube saying that this stuff matters when they go for this.
And yet now we're seeing it.
Now we're seeing it.
Oh, well, if that doesn't matter.
By the way, wasn't there, isn't there some law being passed?
Someone passingly mentioned this to me.
So I sense something might be happening in California now where they're actually trying to institute racial quotas at companies or something like that.
michael j knowles
So, oh, it's so much.
dave rubin
Yeah.
So someone sort of said something to me and then I was like, you got to stop.
michael j knowles
This is so much worse than that.
dave rubin
Before you even tell me, I just want to be very clear on this one.
I will never hire someone based on the color of their skin or their sexuality or their gender.
Call me a racist.
Call me a bigot.
Call me a homophobe.
Call me a Nazi.
But I won't.
And I really mean that.
I will never.
I have two companies.
I will never hire someone.
michael j knowles
You're telling me that you won't judge someone based on the color of their skin rather than the content of their character?
dave rubin
I won't know, so I don't care what the threat is.
That's, like... See, I put ice in my mouth for that, too.
michael j knowles
That's very dramatic.
dave rubin
When the lawyers come.
Oh, he was mumbling.
michael j knowles
I couldn't know, what did he quite say?
So it's so much worse than that in California.
And I know you just got a house in California.
dave rubin
So let me just address this real quick.
I did decide to stay.
I was thinking about leaving.
You and I actually, we had several dinners where we both discussed it.
I decided to stay and there were several things Career wise and everything else happening, but what I really thought, what it really boiled down to more than anything else, more than the weather or any of that stuff, was that if someone like me cannot live here, cannot live in California, like it's become so extreme that someone like me can't live there, then the American experiment, the union,
The states, the whole federal project, then it really is over.
And then really what we're saying is, okay, we're at civil war.
Like the states really are going to just fray.
And if you believe this, you'll live here.
And if you believe this, you'll live here.
I'm not willing to give that up yet.
And I will tell you one other thing, which is that during all this, I watched on Netflix
while I was off the grid.
I watched this two-part documentary on Netflix.
It wasn't "Cutie Pie" or whatever that was.
It was a Frank Sinatra documentary, two two-hour episodes.
It was phenomenal, and I love the old crooners and all that.
And one of the interesting things about Sinatra that you forget about because of the voice
and because of the rat pack and all that stuff is that he was a huge Democrat for a long time,
fundraiser, campaigned for Democrats.
michael j knowles
He was friends with JFK, wasn't he?
dave rubin
He was friends with JFK.
They really go into that.
And one of the things that happened to Frank Sinatra was Frank Sinatra, because he was also a Californian,
became a Californian Republican for Ronald Reagan.
And then the media started going after him.
And a lot of the documentaries about this, how awful the media was.
And he has some great quotes about the media that you're like, "Holy shit,
"the guy was saying this 40 years ago "about how evil they are
"and they just want to destroy people and all this stuff."
But he has a great line that almost, it's almost a quote of himself from "My Way,"
the song "My Way," where he's like, "Every man has a duty to vote."
The way their conscience falls.
Vote for who they believe in, and you have a right and a duty to do that as an American.
And it's like, that sounds like a brave thing to say now, and I suppose it was a brave thing to say then, but of course you have that right and duty.
Why am I even telling you all this?
Because of California.
michael j knowles
Because I think you've made a good argument to stay in California.
But you haven't seen what's been coming up in the California legislature.
dave rubin
You, a business owner... Am I going to have to fire myself?
michael j knowles
You are definitely going to have to fire yourself.
dave rubin
So, obviously... Everyone's going to have to have a slop bucket for the pussy or something?
michael j knowles
They're going to need to have... It's not a slop bucket so much as a collection bucket that's going to come around now.
They're going to raise your taxes.
We all knew that, right?
You can't shut down the state, the fifth largest economy in the world for however long, and not have anybody pay for that.
They're also talking about a wealth tax.
And there's some people, you know, they just hear tax and it's all that.
We're not talking about taxes on your income.
We're talking about taxes on not only the money that you already have, but the assets that you already have.
Let's say you have a house.
House is a half a million dollars.
They can come in and say, well, you're worth half a million dollars.
We want a piece of that.
So write me a check for 50 grand.
But you don't have 50 grand.
You've got a house or you got a car or whatever.
That's what's being floated right now.
And I'll do you one better.
It's not just on the money you've got.
If you leave California, they could hit you with this for up to 10 years.
For up to 10 years.
dave rubin
So you leave the bananas-ness.
michael j knowles
Uh-huh.
dave rubin
You go to, let's say, Texas.
No state income tax.
michael j knowles
Yeah.
dave rubin
Then they can, for 10 years, go after whatever, I assume, oh, it's the assets, I guess, that you had?
michael j knowles
So this is being, this is what's being discussed right now.
Obviously, nothing's been finalized yet.
But when I look at that, bananas is an apt word, because that is some Banana Republic stuff.
I mean, that's the stuff they do in Venezuela.
But now you're seeing it in California.
In the United States, and it's supposedly the civilized state, the giant economy.
dave rubin
So I got stuff to do.
michael j knowles
You got stuff to do?
dave rubin
I got stuff to do by staying.
I mean, I really, I'm not just saying that to be glib or to sound like I'm doing something noble or something, but like this stuff needs to end.
These horrible ideas need to end.
Because think about it, if everyone else moves, if all the good people move, imagine if we end up in that situation.
You think it's polarized now?
michael j knowles
Yeah.
dave rubin
What happens when California fully goes bankrupt and then the feds are under pressure?
The fed is now under pressure to bail it out.
Every single person in Texas who lived in within their means is going to want to kill people from California and you wouldn't even know you wouldn't be able to blame them.
So we have to fix some of this from the inside.
Ronald Reagan was governor of California before he was president.
Arnold Schwarzenegger was a Republican governor of California not that long ago.
Like maybe some of this stuff can get fixed and I'm gonna freaking try to fix some of it.
michael j knowles
Or, you know, you'll die trying because there is this real worry.
dave rubin
Or you have a bunker.
michael j knowles
I've got a bunker.
Yeah, you can come downstairs.
I mean, there is this worry that before you left, you know, people are talking about, oh, I hope these riots finally abate.
I mean, they've been going on for months now.
dave rubin
Yeah.
michael j knowles
But they've only gotten worse.
And I mean, we mentioned a little bit earlier this case of a Kyle Rittenhouse, this guy who defended himself with a gun.
Now they're saying it's open warfare.
The president's defending him.
But, you know, up until now, it's really only been left wing violence.
And now you've got a right winger defending himself against the left wing violence.
And it's not just people getting knocked out.
This does kind of remind you a little bit of the 1850s, right?
I mean, whenever people have brought up civil war, I've just thought, no, it's not going to happen.
But if even in the month you've been gone, things have gotten so much worse.
There have been videos that have come out in just the past week or so of people posting to say, white lives don't matter.
And it's a young black guy goes up to a middle aged white guy, knocks him in the head with a brick.
There was a story that just came out a couple of days ago, a black A customer at AutoZone goes up to the middle-aged white employee, just stabs him, starts stabbing him.
And when he was asked why did he do it, he said, I watched a bunch of videos on the internet of police brutality and I felt I had to go out there and kill a white guy.
dave rubin
But I thought YouTube radicalizes everyone to the alt-right.
Isn't that what the New York Times said with my picture on the... That's right, you are the gateway to the alt-right.
michael j knowles
You're a neo-Nazi white supremacist.
But actually, we now have firm evidence of all of these social media platforms radicalizing people toward the left, toward racial division, toward racial hatred.
How do you come back from there?
dave rubin
Yeah, well, that's what we have to do.
michael j knowles
But you bring up the big tech issue.
That's the issue, right?
Because it's not just the Democrats egging people on.
It's not just Antifa or BLM.
It's not just technology.
It's not just the universities.
It's all of it working together.
What do we do now?
dave rubin
Well, you're asking me the big one, Knowles.
That's the big one!
michael j knowles
Oh, I want to know.
You've been gone for a month.
I haven't talked to you.
dave rubin
Well, what do we do?
I mean, I think the only thing you can do is try to be a little better than them incrementally.
And as you are, I think most people aren't horrible people.
I don't think most people want the world to burn.
I don't think most people want to control everybody.
I don't think most people want to take from you and give to someone else.
I think all of these bad ideas have Manifested themselves and bubbled up because good people are just afraid to say what they think.
I literally wrote a book about it.
You gotta be more brave.
You can't leave it up to You know, that crazy Michael Knowles and Dave Rubin to do it.
You got to do it in your own life and start fighting for what you believe in.
Like it's, what's the quote?
It's only a country if you have it or save it.
michael j knowles
Right.
Yeah, yeah.
The Franklin quote is, yeah, it's a republic if you can keep it.
dave rubin
Yeah.
michael j knowles
But can you keep it is the question.
Actually, speaking of the book, I was wondering this.
If you're not in the news, I mean, my nose is buried in it all day.
You say that your phone is not by your bed, and that mine is.
It's the first thing I look at, it's the last thing I look at.
dave rubin
Have I taught you nothing here today?
michael j knowles
I know.
dave rubin
Tonight, maybe, don't sleep with your phone.
michael j knowles
I have to.
I've got to lock it away in a safe, hopefully forever, you know.
What did you do?
What do you do with all that time?
dave rubin
Literally, well, so we moved, which obviously, they say, and we rebuilt my studio, which will debut
tomorrow, and that was a ton of, there's just like stuff, just stuff, and bringing in
lighting people and tech people and doing all that kind of stuff. So there was that. But I was
really aware of just trying to like, just sort of trying to be.
michael j knowles
Yeah.
dave rubin
I mean, I got up every morning.
I did the same thing every single morning.
I have coffee before I usually pee.
Then I have coffee.
And then I did about an hour of cardio every single day watching my old basketball games.
And there was no racial problems or anything.
It was just about basketball.
Weird sports being about sports.
Very bizarre.
michael j knowles
So odd.
dave rubin
Um, I take my dog for a lot of long walks.
You've met Clyde, he's a little banana.
He's got some boxer in him, so he really needs long walks, so long walks.
We ate really well, like we cooked.
I didn't eat out even once.
We ordered in maybe I can't even remember ordering in, but maybe,
oh, we ordered in sushi once, but like, we cooked a lot and I grilled a lot.
And like, that was, you know, I did some reading and I played some basketball and that really was it.
I didn't do that much.
And I was really okay not doing that.
michael j knowles
'Cause you do wonder, I mean, you think even, that's just for adults, right?
Adults are going crazy if they stay locked in and they, you know, you gotta do,
you gotta play basketball.
You gotta be able to talk to people.
You got it?
But now it's on the kids, too.
So, you know, kids hadn't been wearing the stupid masks, and now Eric Swalwell, nearly the president, you know, he was so close.
That guy, Eric Swalwell, who is you and me and all of us, I believe, that's the campaign motto.
dave rubin
Yeah.
michael j knowles
Eric Swalwell tweets out an image of little kids in masks.
He says, you've got to do this for your... What are you telling these kids, three or five year olds, all of a sudden you've got to put on masks?
One new thing they're doing is they put them in bubbles.
It's literally bubble boy.
They put them in this weird contraption, which is so odd because it's, you know, plastic all around, but it's open at the top.
But the kids are like three feet tall.
So if the spittle is going anywhere, it's going to go right down into the contraption.
dave rubin
See, the problem with discussing this is I know already there's some idiot at Media Matters or somewhere that's going to clip this and say, OK, so here's Rubin and Knowles denying coronavirus.
We're not.
We're not.
What we're talking about is what is it that you do in the long term health of a society?
when you just train everyone to behave a certain way and do all of these things that,
for as much as we can tell, aren't necessarily scientifically proven,
whether you have a box on someone's head with an opening up here,
but that you just train children to just follow orders like robots and all of these things.
I'm much more interested in that discussion than whatever the political machination of the day is,
but there's a certain set of people out there that are making it, that it is their job,
and they are well-funded often, to try to make sure we can't have those conversations,
so you'll just keep accepting it.
They'll keep feeding you crap, and you'll keep eating crap 'cause you'll forget.
That's what I meant before about how February seems so long ago to us.
It's like it really does.
Try to remember February.
Everything was pretty good.
And we're forgetting that things were pretty good.
michael j knowles
There was impeachment in January.
Remember impeachment?
Remember impeachment?
I'd long for the days of impeachment.
dave rubin
So there's no impeachment happening right now?
michael j knowles
There's not yet.
Wait until he gets re-elected.
Then you can see it.
It's funny when we're talking about the bubble boy and the boxes and the whatever.
I'm reminded of this old left-wing thinker in the early part of the 20th century.
This guy Wilhelm Reich.
He was a psychologist, scientist.
And he developed this theory that the whole life energy of the universe was something
called an orgone that related to your orgastic potency.
You want to talk about the WAP.
And basically that all the problems in society, war, poverty, cancer, everything, was caused
by a lack of orgasms.
This is what he believed.
And he developed a box called the orgone accumulator, which was later parodied as the orgasmatron.
dave rubin
Yeah, well, it sounds like he's gonna need the bucket.
michael j knowles
This was an actual popular thing.
Norman Mailer had the Orgasmatron, the Organ Accumulator.
You got in a box.
unidentified
I don't know what went on in the box.
michael j knowles
Go in the box.
No, you go in the box, and then what you do in the box is your business, okay?
I'm not gonna make any judgments.
This was a popular scientific idea.
And when I look at the ridiculous bubble boy, when I look at all these things, I just think, like, people are going to be making fun of this in 50 years.
But as of right now, it's very serious science.
We've all got to take it super duper seriously.
Do you think we gotta shake people out of the science thing?
I mean, you know, now Media Matters' headline's gonna be, Rubin and Knowles, they're against science.
dave rubin
They're against the box!
michael j knowles
They're against the box.
Orgasmatron, I don't know.
dave rubin
Well, I don't think we have to shake people out of science.
I think we have to shake people into sense.
That really is it.
That is it.
Common sense.
Yeah.
And living within your means and being a decent person and all of the things that we all know are obviously true and yet we somehow, I don't know, I can see it very clearly now after not being in it and I'm really going to try to, I've tried for the last while anyway, but I'm going to really try to
help people make some sense out of this thing because it's the people that think it's just gonna it's
either they I think some people think it's either gonna stop or or that it will reset itself or
somehow that this this messed up thing we're in right now it can't be like it can't last forever.
Yeah. Well I agree it can't last forever but it could it could last for decades.
unidentified
Right.
dave rubin
You know what I mean?
Like nothing lasts forever.
The greatest joys and freedoms don't last forever, and the greatest tyrannies and atrocities don't last forever.
So whatever it is we're in right now, which is neither one of those by the way, it's somewhere much more in between.
Yeah.
It won't last forever, but you might be an agent that could help fix it.
michael j knowles
Yeah.
dave rubin
You might be.
There's only one way to find out.
michael j knowles
And there's, you know, even things that you think will remain on top and totally successful forever.
I think of New York City, Manhattan Island.
Well, here's a news story.
dave rubin
Is New York still a city, by the way?
michael j knowles
No, it's not.
I mean, it's not still a city.
The city is completely shut down.
It's empty.
And this is a news story that you might have seen a little bit, just because you were moving.
The line to get U-Hauls in Manhattan, around the block, completely, people are fleeing from the city.
And are they going to go back?
When are they going to go back?
dave rubin
The greatest city in the history of the world.
michael j knowles
Yes, the center of the universe.
dave rubin
The center of the universe.
I've mentioned this on the show a couple of times before.
When I had Giuliani on, I mentioned it to him.
But there have been, my family has had, at times dozens, something like 60 or 70 Reuben family members extended on either side, living in New York City since around 1908, something like that.
There's one person left.
One person left.
My sister and her husband and two kids left in the middle of the pandemic.
That took four people out and now, and then one cousin died in the midst of the pandemic.
And then I got one cousin left in there.
That's just indicative of What's happening?
michael j knowles
Because what can you do?
I mean, they can only push you so far.
I appreciate that you're making the stand to save California.
I hope we can save it, you know.
But you can only push people so far, and they're going to react to that.
All these businesses, an estimated 60% of American restaurants, are going to go out of business.
They're still not reopened.
dave rubin
So I think one of the ways that we get out of this is that something will happen, and I don't know what it is, I don't know what it is.
I could see it having to be a horrific thing, like some sort of terrorist attack
or something horrible, but maybe there's a better way.
It won't be the ultimate horror that will shake us out of this.
Something shakes us out of this, and then we could enter a roaring 20s situation
where everyone will want to be out and about again.
They'll want to spend money again.
They'll want to be the better versions of themselves again, and we'll get over the fear and the hate and all that stuff.
I don't know what it takes to get there, and there's gonna be the forces that would rather
that not happen are probably far stronger than the forces that can make that happen.
But that...
That's one sort of distant star to look at, I suppose.
michael j knowles
And there is this question.
There have been all these kind of crazy foreign stories.
People haven't paid a ton of attention to them.
But one, I guess this isn't even a news segment.
dave rubin
We really glossed over that peace in the Middle East thing.
michael j knowles
Yeah, that was a pretty big story.
But obviously, it's too nice to Trump, so the media's got to kill that.
But another one, you know, in terms of threats, Kim Jong-un.
dave rubin
Is he back?
Didn't CNN say he died?
michael j knowles
Maybe we don't.
He's now maybe in a coma.
Again?
Remember he was maybe in a coma before he left, and now he's maybe in a coma again.
So we just don't know.
That's a very volatile situation.
China has been aggressing in India, in Taiwan, in Vietnam, over in Japan.
It's been aggressing all over the place on American interests.
Right now, let's say that China invades.
They're not going to invade mainland America, but they invade some American interest.
While we're busy burning down our country, is there any way we could fight a war with China?
dave rubin
Well, first off, we don't want to fight a war with China.
That's number one.
Well, that sort of gets to what I was saying about how do we get out of this sort of thing.
Would it take something horrible?
Does it take a Pearl Harbor or something so terrible for us to turn and look at the person who maybe is our ideological opponent and say, you're a human.
Now, what I can say is that Generally speaking, in the last two years or so, I have found that people on the right are almost always, almost without exclusion, willing to do that.
unidentified
Of course.
dave rubin
Willing to give those guys the benefit of the doubt, right?
What I've seen on the left is almost no willingness to do it.
And not only that, but if you see someone else on the left that's willing to do it, you go and destroy them.
One of the things that I, right before I went off, was that guy Matt Taibbi, who's a journalist, lefty, lifelong lefty journalist, who suddenly is saying, you know, something's wrong with the left, guys.
And I'm like, yeah.
michael j knowles
Hey, hey, remember me?
dave rubin
Hi, I'm Dave Rubin.
But now, what I remember from just the day or two before I went was where there were all these lefties going, oh, now he's in it for that Coke money and the big right-wing money and the big Knowles money.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And it's like, come on, man.
This every time someone says there's something wrong here.
Yeah, if you go to destroy them well
then what you will be left with is something that is very sick and twisted and evil and and I think that that's what
they have on their hands at the moment and the question is do you go in and try to
Operate or do you just say this thing is done?
I mean, that's what I think.
I think this thing is done, and there are better places.
If you believe any of the things that I believe, and if you believe in old-school liberalism, or you just think America is decent, or any of those things, like, there's a lot of bridges to build, right in this freaking building that I'm in right now.
michael j knowles
Two nights ago, if you were in the street of a big city, you could have heard the phrase, death to America.
Now, if I said you have to pick one city... Is that Biden's slogan now?
That's going to be Joe... Biden-Harris, death to America.
If you had to pick one city where... You actually had to put money down on it, right?
Was that being chanted in Tehran, in the Middle East somewhere, where they hate us?
Or was that being chanted in Oakland, California?
Where would you put your money?
dave rubin
Well, Oakland is more of a radical hotbed of cesspool-y nonsense.
unidentified
It is.
dave rubin
It was in Oakland.
michael j knowles
It was Oakland.
Death to America.
I just mean, look, Oakland's always been a little radical.
That, to me, is a level that we haven't seen at least in 40, 50 years, and maybe not ever, that you've now got an entire left, I mean elected Democrats, saying, America was never great.
This is a bad country.
This is a racist country.
dave rubin
Well, was there anything uplifting at the DNC convention?
Was there anything uplifting?
Was there any really like being as objective as possible?
Was there any moment?
I mean, I'm guessing Biden tried to do something on the uplifting side because he can't.
The thing is with Biden, he needs to fake it for the confused Dems.
michael j knowles
Yeah.
dave rubin
So there must have been there must have been a little something to that, right?
Like, this is still this is a great country because he does because I think that's what he believes.
michael j knowles
He said, yeah, he's going to restore.
Yeah. - In the country, right?
I mean, that's their version of making America great again.
dave rubin
But that doesn't, but see, that's what we said before.
It doesn't work to say restore.
The implication is, oh, that Trump is the one that screwed it up for the last three years,
but their whole platform is that the whole thing has been evil for 200 years.
So what are you restoring?
That sounds like make America great again.
michael j knowles
Yes, and the one thing that Biden said, the one thing that was sort of uplifting that Biden said
was that he's going to bring the light and not the darkness.
I thought, you know, what's another word for bringer of light?
His Lucifer, okay, hold on.
No, no, obviously it's a little complicated, but that was the line.
We're going to bring the light.
We're going to bring the light from the darkness, but it doesn't, that was all just kind of empty words.
He didn't get into anything tangible.
I would actually say the most.
The uplifting part of the convention was a very dark part which was they had this woman whose father died from coronavirus and he liked Trump and I guess he didn't wear the mask the right way or something and so he died very sad and she went on and said Donald Trump killed my dad and what she was really saying is my dad is an idiot who believed Donald Trump and he's what a fool he was he should have listened to me because I hate Trump and anyway it's Trump's fault for some reason.
When was the last DNC where they didn't accuse the Republican of killing somebody?
dave rubin
But also, it just doesn't make sense.
I mean, right before I went off the grid, there were all the protests everywhere, and you had thousands and thousands of maskless people protesting.
They didn't die, so I guess Trump didn't kill them, but he did kill...
michael j knowles
Well, you know, in many places you were not allowed to ask coronavirus patients if they had participated in protests.
dave rubin
You weren't allowed... That sounds like something a sane society would do.
Yeah, well, scientific... Well, wasn't there like a whole thing where a bunch of scientists said that racism is more of like a threat than coronavirus or something like that?
michael j knowles
Over a thousand public health expert scientists said that White supremacy is a public health threat that exacerbates coronavirus.
So actually if you go and show up to one of these 10,000 person rallies, you're actually helping stop the spread.
dave rubin
I know you know this, but there was a period about a year ago where there was like a month where genuine white supremacists online, whatever that is, it's hard to tell if they're just trolls or whatever, Yeah.
started showing up to some like turning point events and college conservative events.
My events.
They showed up to both of our events.
They showed up to Ben's events and they showed up to Candace Owens events
and a whole bunch of other stuff.
And you know what happened at all those events?
Oh, they showed up to Trump Jr's events.
Yeah, yeah.
You know what happened to all those events?
We all shot them down.
We all argued with them.
Some of us maybe more effectively than others.
But nobody acquiesced to those bad ideas.
No one gave an inch or gave a quarter to any of that.
And yet the media, the only time the media covered it was when Trump Jr.
sort of got a whole bunch of people screaming and mobbed.
And the media, I watched the report on CNN, they didn't know what to do.
Because it was white supremacists angry at Trump Jr.
Now this doesn't make sense.
Isn't his base supposed to be these people?
So they showed it because they wanted to show a mob with Trump Jr.
Like that's good.
Like something bad's happening on the right.
But what they didn't really show was that he was the one fighting against it.
And it's like that we need more of that.
michael j knowles
I guess I didn't tell you about one of Joe Biden's biggest new endorsements.
Have I not?
dave rubin
Let me guess.
He got Farrakhan.
No.
michael j knowles
Oh, it's better than that.
It's better than Farrakhan.
It's better.
dave rubin
Give me a hint.
michael j knowles
He is probably the most famous white identitarian in the country.
dave rubin
David Duke?
michael j knowles
Yeah.
dave rubin
Oh, Richard Spencer.
michael j knowles
Richard Spencer.
Richard Spencer.
And he said, by the way, he said, he said, by the way, for you people who think I'm doing this ironically or what, I'm not.
I think Joe Biden is more competent than Donald Trump.
I think the Democrats are more competent than the Republicans.
I am earnestly endorsing Joe Biden for president.
dave rubin
But what's his play on the white supremacist side of it?
Well, I get it because identity politics is white supremacism.
It's black supremacism.
It's supremacism in and of itself.
But like, I don't think he probably didn't say that.
michael j knowles
No, I don't think it's that.
I think there's been a big disappointment among these kind of white supremacists and vegetarian people because Trump is not that.
Trump simply is not that.
And the left can shout about it as much as they want, but it just hasn't come true.
And so, The white identitarians are going back to their roots and rejoining the Democratic Party, I suppose, or at least endorsing Joe Biden.
dave rubin
I'm guessing that didn't get much coverage.
michael j knowles
I'm trying to check.
Let me see, New York Times or... Probably made the Daily Wire.com.
Yeah, it has not...
It has not shown up anywhere.
And you know, the way that they dehumanize Trump is so, the way that it's just any, they only throw this bad stuff, they never say anything nice.
So Trump's brother died during the virus.
He was, I think in his 70s or something like that.
Very sad, you know?
dave rubin
Yeah, I didn't even know he had a living brother.
I know he lost another brother.
michael j knowles
He lost his older brother, Fred.
unidentified
Yeah.
michael j knowles
This is his younger brother, Robert.
They were very close.
unidentified
Yeah.
michael j knowles
And it's very sad.
So do you know what trended when Trump's brother died?
dave rubin
Wish it was Trump.
michael j knowles
Wrong Trump.
Wrong Trump.
Trended.
And the headlines about it in the Washington Post was the headline was about how Donald Trump's niece, not his brother's daughter by the way, that's a different brother, how the niece wrote this tell-all book about how terrible Trump is.
You say, well, what does that niece have anything to do with the brother who died?
It reminded me of that's the treatment that the president of the United States gets.
But when Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi dies, he's a gentlemanly scholar, an austere religious scholar.
unidentified
He is.
michael j knowles
Yeah.
It's just so open.
unidentified
Right.
michael j knowles
It's so out in the open.
And the big the big pitch from the conventions, the big pitch from the protests, protests, the big pitch from the riots, the big pitch from the people on the coronavirus lockdowns.
What is it?
This is the most important election in our lifetimes.
And you always hear that, and you say, that's a bunch of BS.
dave rubin
This time it is.
michael j knowles
I think it is, right?
dave rubin
We're pretty much there this time.
Like, we are hinging, and the entire world is now hinging on, does freedom matter?
Again, this isn't like some tacit full endorsement of everything that Trump is or does or anything like that.
michael j knowles
It's just the tweets you're endorsing.
dave rubin
I'm just endorsing every single tweet and every single decision he's ever made.
But besides that, The choice now, we're deciding, does reality matter?
Does facts matter?
Does history matter?
Does anything that we thought mattered, that helped build something really great here in America for 250 years, does any of it matter?
If you think that it doesn't matter, then you really should Be a lefty, be a progressive, vote for these guys, destroy the whole damn thing.
But it's just the people, the very people who are destroying the thing, if they only knew how much worse it could be, if they only knew what, I mean, and this, I say this all the time, and I say it in my book, like, they should just, you don't have to do a history lesson, because I know they think history was written by the evil white supremacist.
They should just talk to their parents about what their grandparents lived through.
That's all you have to do if you're an American.
If you're an American and you think it's so horrible right now, Yeah.
Talk to your grandparents if they're alive.
If you're really lucky, talk to your great-grandparents.
michael j knowles
Yeah.
dave rubin
Maybe talk to your parents.
michael j knowles
Yeah.
dave rubin
And is it better or worse?
And it's always better for you.
It's always better if you're an American in 2020.
Doesn't mean it's perfect, but... Every story we've gone through.
michael j knowles
I mean, we've gone through probably dozens of stories at this point.
dave rubin
Well, the pussy bucket is still going.
That's just the same with me.
michael j knowles
Obviously the most important one.
You can rename it.
Maybe you can write your own response to it.
unidentified
Yeah, the PB.
michael j knowles
It's all about the election, right?
The riots are about the election, the lockdowns are about the election, the elections about the election, the mail, all this stuff.
Are there enough liberals, you know, kind of open-minded liberals, to be persuaded?
And will the events of the past month that you have just missed out on, that I have filled you in on, Are they enough to turn public opinion and get a Democrat to vote for that evil orange man, that mango Mussolini?
dave rubin
Well, I would say look at it slightly differently, which is if you, let's just say we repeat exactly what happened last time, right?
So you have the people who voted for Trump and the people who voted for Hillary.
I could see a lot of people right now that are seriously frustrated with the left, kind of just holding their nose and voting for Trump or have fully come around because I've seen plenty of those people too.
Karlyn Borsanko, who you probably know from Twitter, from the knitting group I've had on my show, she's now a huge Trump supporter after being a lifelong lefty.
I think there are a lot of people that are just like, the left has gone completely bananas and I either love Trump or I love what he represents or I'm gonna hold my nose and I'm gonna not be polled and I'm gonna secretly vote for him.
Try to imagine it the other way.
If you voted for Trump, And suddenly you were like, all right, it's now three and a half years later.
What is it that Trump did that would get you to, that would drive you to be like, all right, I'm going to vote for the guys that are kind of endorsing burning the cities down.
Like I, that jump, I would love for someone to explain it to me if they can, but I can't, you might say, you know what?
I thought Trump was going to be more presidential in his tweets or Richard Spencer thought he'd be more of a white supremacist.
All right.
We got one.
Oh, thank you.
All right.
We got one.
Which, by the way, you know, when you said that before, remember when Richard Spencer said he was no longer supporting Trump, which was months ago?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dave rubin
Didn't say he was voting for Biden yet, but months ago he said he was no longer supporting Trump, and they announced that on The View.
Joy Behar announced it on The View, and the clowns in the audience, they're all applauding, and it's like, you dingbats, do you realize you're applauding a white supremacist just because he doesn't support Trump?
michael j knowles
To own the cons.
dave rubin
Yeah, and Joy Behar, like a seal, and then...
unidentified
Yay!
michael j knowles
So there's the one example.
There's the one example.
dave rubin
Okay, so I can see the leader of the white supremacists going, I've had it with Trump.
He's not good enough on the white supremacy stuff.
He seems to want black people to have jobs.
I'm going to vote for Joe Biden.
But I can't, where you really can see it the other way, like this, I think I'm being as objective as possible.
You could really be like, you know what?
Trump's not perfect.
Basically likes America.
Before coronavirus, the economy was working.
Like we have a sense of what future could look like with him.
And I'm going to just, I don't love him, but I'm going to do it.
But the other way seems, I can't really paint the, it's short of the disgruntled white supremacist.
michael j knowles
This is very interesting because what it means, you're actually giving me a little glimmer of hope here of the way that people are going to move.
So you came in here today, a sweet, ignorant man.
You've been away 30 days.
You know what's funny?
dave rubin
I do feel a little tightness in my chest right now.
Not like heart attack, but I do.
I feel July tightness.
michael j knowles
Yes.
dave rubin
We're all walking around.
michael j knowles
I can do it in a quick two hours.
But is it... I knew.
I mean, I was sort of waiting.
I said, oh Dave, he's having a good day.
I'm going to ruin his month.
But when you get to the end of that, are you...
Are you pessimistic?
Are you optimistic?
Are you hopeful?
Where do you stand?
dave rubin
Well, on the same thing that I've always described myself as, which is I'm a world-weary optimist.
I'm not a wide-eyed optimist, like, oh my God, everything's going to be great and things are going to be spectacular.
I'm a world-weary optimist.
I'm worried about the world.
I worry about the world, you know, like, I mean, the way David and I operate,
he's very detail-oriented and, you know, can plan a lot of things during the day
or if we have people, friends over for dinner, what we're gonna do and all those things,
and it's all great and wonderful.
And I'm, and I always, and he'll always say to me, what do you think about, you know,
should we put the glasses on this side or this, that?
And I'm always like, well, Iran could get the bomb.
Like, I'm worried about these other world things, which is everything that we're sort of talking about here.
So I'm not an optimist in some, like, imaginary way of being an optimist.
And I'm not a pessimist because, you know, I don't think you could do what we do and be a pessimist because you'd kill yourself.
I mean, you really would.
Because every day you'd wake up, you'd go, oh man, more bad stuff.
You'd just be talking about it negatively and it would kill you.
I think that if I mean I said it before, but if enough of us just try to deal with this stuff honestly, and just try to slow down that wheel a little bit, and again just be a little bit better than all the people who would love to destroy us, I think that's the winning ticket.
That's the winning ticket.
Be a Republican.
or be a Democrat, that's just like be a human in a, be a functioning human in a messed up time.
That's right.
Be someone that just thinks about your life and the world you wanna live in,
in somewhat of a serious way.
It doesn't mean you're perfect, obviously.
But like, if you can do that, it's sort of the orgasm box
that you were talking about before.
You know what I mean?
Like, if you can get your--
Always comes back.
If you can get your stuff in order, then maybe, well, forget the orgasm box.
I'll be serious for a moment.
Why did Jordan Peterson want people to clean their room?
The idea was don't clean the world first.
And I think that's what all the social justice warriors and these purple haired.
unidentified
Yeah.
dave rubin
Whack jobs that are screaming all day long and it's like, oh, your life is so obviously out of control and I have sympathy for that.
And I've had times in my life where obviously that was, we've all had that, right?
We've all been through those times.
What did Jordan say to people?
He said, if you clean your room first, take care of whatever your internal struggles are, which again are ongoing for all of us.
And we all have times where it's like really good for a while and then you might screw up and then you backtrack or something like that.
But if you do that first, you might be able to set the world right.
Everyone else is focused on setting the world right.
All these people who can't tie their shoes are telling you what economic policy should be.
And I'm more interested in helping people get some understanding of the world so that maybe we can all do this together.
michael j knowles
That's right.
Take care of yourself, get yourself in order, then you can pick up your bucket and your mop and clean up the world.
dave rubin
And get that bucket!
The pussy bucket, man!
Is nobody marketing the pussy bucket?
michael j knowles
Well, now that we have concluded, you can go run and at least make a buck on the douche culture.
dave rubin
I'm gonna listen to this song.
michael j knowles
You gotta go.
We'll play it after we cut the cameras.
Dave Rubin, thank you for joining us on The Rubin Report here.
dave rubin
Thank you for guest hosting The Rubin Report.
michael j knowles
I am so pleased.
It was a great honor to come back and ruin Dave's day.
I am Michael Knowles.
Tune in next time for the brand new graphics, the brand new sound, the brand new Dave Rubin on The Rubin Report.
dave rubin
And now I'm retiring.
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